Houston Dash's Paige Nielsen on Women's Euros, NWSL Drama & Queer Soccer Culture

Paige Nielsen pulls up to Let Her Shoot just in time for the Women’s Euros Final, and she’s got thoughts. On England’s shaky run, Spain’s technical flex, Sarina Wiegman’s sub choices, and why Chloe Kelly is that girl.

We talk queer visibility in soccer, LGBTQ backlash across Europe, the rainbow armband controversy, and Paige’s own global coming out journey — from Seoul to Qatar and back. Plus: NWSL locker room vibes, being traded for cash (??), sneaky beef, and whether drama is actually good for the women’s game.

Come for the Euros chaos. Stay for the cultural commentary and the gay speakeasies in the Middle East.

🎙️ Featuring: Paige Nielsen (Houston Dash, NWSL Champ)
🎧 Hosted by: Sarah Chovnick & Trysta Krick

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 4 (00:21):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
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Speaker 4 (00:26):
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
This is my world.

Speaker 5 (00:30):
I make big moves in my big hus Since I
tell you that I was born, I've been a big deal.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Welcome to let her shoot.

Speaker 5 (00:37):
The only podcast that covers women's sports the way that
we want them cover where we're saying what we think,
no bullshit, no kid gloves. We're respecting the athletes, we're
respecting the fans, all the reasons to stay locked in.
We got Sarah Chovnik, two time Emmy Award winning producer.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
We've got Trista Creek, zero time Emmy Award winning nominated talent.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
We've also got special guest, Our special guest today, who
is a has won a national title at UNC. She's
won NWSL title for my favorite team, the Washington Spirit.
Now a defender for the Huge Well, she's always been
a defender, but she's now with the Houston Dash Paige Nielsen.

(01:26):
We are so excited to have her here, we're going
to talk some Euros, We're going to talk some second
half of the nw bus heal season, and we're just
gonna shoot some shit around with you today. If you
don't mind, let's go. I love that. What have you
seen like you've been in the league now for ten years?

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:47):
Ten?

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Call it? Yeah, yeah, I've been in and out, in
and out, We'll call it ten. I'm back.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah, pro, You've been pro for ten years? So what
have you seen the differences like you've played? You know,
for these who are listening to our podcast, who normally
listen for basketball content, were you know, I'm the big
soccer person out of the two of us, out of
Trista and I, so for the nw NBA shooties that
don't maybe follow soccer as closely, a little bit about

(02:16):
Page's background, Like I said, she played college soccer at UNC,
played with Did you play with Tobin there or did
you come in after her after?

Speaker 2 (02:26):
But she was the reason why I wanted to.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
I want to get more of that story. Yeah, yeah,
I want to get more of that story. But you know,
for anyone who is really doesn't know, UNC is like
the bluest blood of the blue blood soccer programs in
the United States like it is. It is the Alabama
Football of women's soccer. You know you want to go
you want to play soccer in college. You want to

(02:50):
go to UNC. She draft was drafted to Seattle, went
overseas for three years before landing back in Washington, won
a championship with Washington, went to ACFC as their inaugural
group was an og and then got traded last year
to Houston, where she is now for her tenth Like

(03:12):
I said, tenth years a pro. What has been kind
of one of those highlight? What is the biggest highlight
for you so far since turning pro?

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Okay, that's a crazy question. I have a lot of highlights, wow,
But I always have a one moment Last year when
I got traded from Houston and I scored the last
last cool in the last thirty seconds. We just came
off of two games in one week, and I had
the most energy I've ever had playing LA. It was

(03:45):
like three weeks after I got traded and I did
not feel tired. Everyone was like super tired. By the
ninety eighth minute, I could play another game because of
how hyped I was, and I really considered after I
scored that goal, which maybe I should have, but I'm
still here. I'm still here. My biggest highlight is probably

(04:10):
playing overseas and traveling like Southeast Asia, traveling all of Europe.
I know, I only played in like three countries, but
I trialed actually in Germany for a year and a half,
sorry a month and a half, and I trialed in
Spain and ten A Reef. I got to travel a
lot and just it. So. I don't love soccer in

(04:31):
high school. U and C made me love soccer. When
I went global, I was like, oh my god, this
is really freaking rad. So all the traveling, the people,
the cultures, the experiences have been like super amazing, and
I want more young girls to experience it.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
It's funny that you mentioned that goal against LA because
that was something that stuck out to me. Ask you
about was that just uh that energy? Did that come from?
Like I really want to sort of show them what
like was that a vengeful thing because I would be
feeling some kind of way to be traded for cash?

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah yeah, I mean in a little cash. I thought
I was worthing.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Like not that much cash really, but then you know what.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Made me feel better that they went over budget for
the year, so you know what, you know what, and.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
So they got in trouble for that, didn't they.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, which was sad because I do know that we
had a couple of moms on the team and they
overextended like whatever that is. And you know what, someone
told me that they tried to trade three other players
and the only trade happening was teams were interested in me.
So it's a company's yeah, yeah, so I'll take a compliment.

(05:58):
But I was still pissed because you know, my sister's
in La. It's a beautiful city. I got picked up
in an expansion draft. You know, we're like poems. I
feel it's a it's a business, which I totally get.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
But you know I made Yeah I made home there
you did, And it's like a it's kind of a
broke bitch move to like cred somebody for cash not
and you're not even getting anything back.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
That just shows like we really are hurting for money,
like we were desperation. Yeah, yeah, that's a desperation move
for sure.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
I am not like the most massive soccer fan, so
we're we're more like just getting more entrenched in it.
And the actually the Mystic Mystics, the DC team really
is a reason that I got into it living over there.
But I was curious about, like what you guys do
during the international break you specifically, like, is that something

(06:50):
that is time to rest and unplug and like sort
of reset or is that sort of interrupting the flow
of what you've already been getting into.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
I think it depends on where you are at as
a player. If I was a young player, I give
this advice to a lot of young players, like, piss up,
they're not getting minutes. I wouldn't do a whole like
cabo trip where you drink with your friends and spring break.
You know, I dug in deep and worked on my
fitness and worked on my game. But I'm thirty one.

(07:23):
I'm thirty one, and I mentally I need to unplug.
You know, year after year you're fighting for the same trophy,
You're fighting for the same things. Like it's a little exhausting,
and so what I wanted to spend time with my
wife and happy wife, happy life. They say that again.
She wanted to go to Vegas. So so we went

(07:46):
to Vegas. I wanted a like nice cabin in the
woods to kind of shut off, you know. And she
works from home because I made her move from LA
to Houston, and her job was able to keep her
working from home, and she needed people, she needed excitement,
and that was like the opposite of what I needed.
But she was happy and I was happy, and she

(08:09):
likes me playing games because I'm pretty good at them.
So I went to Vegas for a couple of days
with my wife, and then I went to Atlanta, Georgia.
My brother is one of my biggest mentors, my best friends,
and he has two kids with his wife, and I
shut off there. I think it's it's a shot off
time for sure. And we had three weeks before any

(08:29):
game started. You just completely shut off. The season's long.
We don't get paid enough for you just gotta go.
You gotta do your thing.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
Let's let's talk Euros setups. Because you've played all around
the world, You've had a bunch of teammates on different teams.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
Do you have any team like former teammates in the finals?

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Let's see, I'm a huge esther fan, only because she
scored I mean one kid, and it was really nice.
It was really good. Yeah, I don't think I yeah,
I don't have a former teammate, former nemesis.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
Oh yeah, don't go there.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty much just esther. Wait, let's go,
let's go England. Lesi Areusso she went to the U
n C. I tried. I think I tried to get
her to l A. You know, I like, I like
playing agent on the side, but for free, and she
wouldn't come to LA, which is fine. Yeah. I don't

(09:38):
have any former teammates, but I like a lot of players.
I know what team I want to win and that's it. Yeah,
that's it.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Who are you rooting for?

Speaker 2 (09:52):
I'm running for Spain.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
Is it an anti England thing or is it a
pro Spain thing?

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Uh, it's an anti England. I'm pissed off at the
coach for not subving players until like the eightieth minute,
which you have Beth Mee, you have Chloe Kelly, you
have even Beaver Jones does a lot of work, and
the last game I just watched, they were exhausted. I mean,

(10:19):
Lauren James is super nonchalant all the time. I love her.
I think she's one of the best players out there.
She looked so tired and we can get into this,
but I don't think there should be two ten fifteen
minute overtimes in every single game because of how close
the games are. It's crazy, Yeah, what is that?

Speaker 5 (10:42):
Like?

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Why not just play? I mean, how would you guys
rather have it done? Would you just rather go straight
to penalties? Or would you rather have one half them penalties?

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, straight to penalties. It's too many games and too
little time. There's injuries. We've seen a lot of injuries.
We've seen. Yeah, it's we've seen just like the lack
of quality. In my opinion, I think England was very
tired last game. They were able to get it done
of the rap you know, Lucy Brown's wrapping up her

(11:14):
leg whatever, and Italy quite frankly played a really good game.
But yeah, it's dangerous. It's dangerous for the players.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
Yeah, it's a little bit crazy to me that England
hasn't put Chloe or Audreymong in earlier.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Like it's just what are we? What are we doing?
You would think that maybe that would just you start
on maybe.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, yeah, but she has her ways and I don't
I don't get it. Osmong is a total game changer
and maybe that's like her whole taxic for the tournament.
I've listened to other podcasts or like, people will give
her a lot of flak, but it's been working. No,
you need a little luck in this tournament, and it
has been working that way. If I'm gonna be honest.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
I mean, yeah, they almost lost that game. I mean
it was two nothing with four minutes in regulation left,
and Chloe Kelly had two assists in one hundred and
three seconds. If she doesn't do that, you're done.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
They're home.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Football is not coming home. You know it's they are.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
And credits to Chloe Kelly. I mean I think she
I think she should be a starter. I think her.
I think England has like they're trying to grow their
game to be more technical, but Chloe Kelly has that
mentality and she's kind of been like, I don't know,
Sideline for some reason, I think you need a mix
of technical players blah blah blah, but also these people
that have mentality, like a Lucy Bronze and a Chloe

(12:46):
Kelly and a Beth.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
Need So we know who are or who is in
our finals Spain verse England. But let's talk a little
bit about how we got here, because there were some
pretty exciting quarterfinals. In semi finals matches, France versus Germany
was a wild game. Specifically in the shootout, the keeper

(13:11):
was like the star of this match. What was everyone's thought?
I mean, she beat cancer twice, which I think was
an incredible story. By the way, just that she has
and Katrin Berger is she just I mean, she just
really kind of made she sent Germany single handedly, you know,
onto the next round. So let's talk a little bit

(13:32):
about that game and what you saw. I mean, I
know you said that you were watching the quarters in
the semis. What was some of the exciting moments in there?

Speaker 2 (13:42):
I mean, I think I talk to my teammate who's
from Austria. Sorry to call you out, but we talked
a lot about mentality about France and like they're always
like pretty talented, but they don't win anything. And it
comes back to mentality, you know. You know, Burger Akab

(14:07):
is gonna be really freaking hard to be. She's one
of the best keepers I've ever seen in my life.
Or distribution or shot stopping or leadership is actually so incredible,
and I was a little disappointed in France. You know,
Casperino is one of the top players I've ever seen play.
And I think she did a great job in that game.

(14:28):
You know, they were inches off from winning that game.
But I think it comes down to mentality. Germany is
like so freaking tough to beat Mann and.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
They played that game down a man, I mean.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
For seventy for seventy seven plus minutes.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
And there was no like, let's turn on the jets
from France. It like really actually annoyed me, it really did.
And they have a full bend. You know, I like
Deanni as a striker, but she she hasn't done anything
this tournament, no offense to her. I think she's a

(15:08):
great striker when the mentality is there, but uh yeah,
there's there wasn't urgency. Well that kind of bummed me out.
And did you see how hard Jermany played. I don't
know if that if playing one man down helped them
with that mentality, but they were super organized and honestly
the whole tournament. As a defender, they've played the best

(15:29):
organized and hardest defense I've ever seen, no matter who
came in ket she's super young. Her first tournament, she
she made every single tackle that came to her, and like, yeah, yeah,
they have a great mentality. I don't get it.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
Yeah, ak akab is crazy partially torn calf too comes
in right before penalties.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Like is that?

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Like?

Speaker 1 (15:56):
How how rare is it to be able to.

Speaker 5 (15:58):
Win a game when you're down a man for that
many minutes?

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Oh interesting? I'll tell you a story. I got one
red card in my career. It's against North Carolina Debinia.
I don't know what does she do? She takes it.
I touched your this and that, you know, no smart, smart,
I no hate, But it was not a red card.

(16:25):
That was crazy. So I got a red card twenty
second minute in the Washington spirit. They played without a
man for that long, But you don't know how how
much the organization helped, and everyone like locked in and
it's really hard to break it team down on a
low block, it really is. And then you just hope

(16:45):
for the transition, and I think, like Germany all tournament
was hoping for that. So but it was crazy that
the captain, and you know, I highly respect that defender
did that a little.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
We have a rematch now of the World Cup finals
with England and Spain. Is England gonna get their revenge?
I mean, I know we're rooting for Spain because Trista
asked me this the other day, like, why do we
hate England? No, you asked me why we hated Canada?

Speaker 1 (17:13):
That yeah, I said, why we hated Canada. I know
why we hate England, but we just don't.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Like England right, like it's it's well, I.

Speaker 5 (17:21):
Just don't think that they should be here, like they're
giving like why are you even in this final?

Speaker 1 (17:26):
You are have been just skating.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
By just by the your fingernails.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
They shouldn't be here.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
They shouldn't well they yeah, like, you're right. They they
got there by the skin of their teeth. But to me,
it feels like they're gonna win by the skin of
their teeth too.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Oh, I do so pissed. They don't deserve it. They don't.
They don't they you know, I've got their ups and
downs and I appreciate their fighting. I listened to attacking
third today. They were like, oh, they got their dog,
and I'm no, I didn't see like one dog in them,
only the subs.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
Honestly scrappy. They're really scrappy. But I don't think I
would call that a dog like a dog mentality. That's
just sloppy.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
No, Uh, who who is it Hemp? Hemp is scrappy?
Who else Hemp?

Speaker 4 (18:17):
And James is scrappy?

Speaker 2 (18:19):
But she last game, she's so tired. She barely she
barely moved fair honestly. So who was it Hemp? Russo scrappy?
You know, uncitar hill blah blah blah. She hasn't found
her striking on frame yet. I think she she's fully capable.

(18:40):
But I do think it's a big tournament and a
lot of minutes played, and it's it's just another game,
and they've had, you know, they've had to go over time,
they've had to it's it's a long tournament, and their
coach doesn't sep till the eightieth minute.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
They also just sort of seemed to like when someone
goes down the foul, they're like down for like, oh,
it just seems like they're hurting, Like it seems like,
like you said, they're tired there, they just look like
they've been a little beaten up.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, I take Spain all the way.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
It also feels like if England wins, they're just gonna
be super cocky about it, like, oh, we're the best
team in the world, We've got euro dominance blah.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Blah blah, we got the best coach ever and it's like.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
You again, you barely you lost to France, like right
in the group stage. What you This whole time we.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Were waiting for you to be eliminated and here you are.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, and maybe you know every tournament needs a little luck.
Could I'll be really because Spain has showed out every
single game. I was like, meant last game because they're
super patient. They're in Secht, but that's who they are.
It again, if you can buy, if you add a
little one b one personnel to their their wingers, Spain

(20:05):
would be unbelievable. But they do like way too much
five to two around the box. I'm like, please, just
someone look for the goal and not outside of the box.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Who is going to be the difference maker for Spain?

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Bon Manti? Easy? Bon Manti? And I really think Esther's
due for a goal or two. I was. I was
shocked that she was taken out in the sixteenth minute
because I think there was four tappens after she was
taken out that she would have scored.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
What.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Oh, Peanut has been really really good for me in
this tournament. I think listen, she like she gets the
ball and she shoots a ton, which I wish a
lot of forms would do that more. And she you know,
it has been close, but then she's just so confident, like, hell,
let's see what she does for for it.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
You know it is esther real, real quick. But is
esther the clear front runner for m VP right now?
For NWSL?

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah yeah, I think being five two and having I
don't know how many header goals she has a ton. Yeah.
I don't think Gotham right now has amazing like you know, chewing,
I can just go for five breakaways in a row
and score all those. I think she puts her. She's

(21:28):
the smartest player I've ever played against. She puts her.
She stops in the middle of the goal and defenders
are like, wait, what what are you doing in this?
She scores, she does double movements, she puts herself into
great positions. Obviously you need a team to feed feed you,
but she's She's definitely an MVP running for sure.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Who on England can stop her? Like on their defensive line.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
I think their defense is going to get destroyed.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
You think so, you.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
Think this is like a five zero old match, Here is.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
No because because Spain has been amazing at finishing this tournament.
Otherwise it would be I think Esbie Morgan. A lot
of people are like, oh, she's not great defensively, she's
one of the She's one of the players that have
been super solid for me at the spirit. She her
distribution is solid. I think, you know, maybe she's not

(22:25):
super mobile, but I think she puts herself in good positions.
I think she's smart. She knows end so she knows esther.
I think if she doesn't start, that would be that
would be sad because I think she would do a
good job with her Yeah, like I said, I mean,
Lucy Brown's will always be a key defender for me,

(22:45):
but she's on the outside and it'll be up to
the two center backs to deal with her in the box.
And it's gonna be tough. That's it's gonna be tough.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
I'm excited to watch it me too. And I hope
that football doesn't come home. Nobody home, nobody cares, nobody,
nobody cares except for them, and they will talk about
it for the next four years straight if they do.
And we just can't deal with that. We can't be
dealing with that, at least Spain. When they win, they

(23:18):
win like very classy. Yeah, Italy is kind of like
late on the come up, but they are coming up
pretty quickly. They've now they didn't even have a pro
league until twenty twenty two, but now we've seen them
have success at you know, the World Cup and now
here at the Euros. Is Italy just like blossoming. We
just got Sophia Cantori just got signed to the Spirit

(23:42):
right before international break. But what are you seeing out
of Italy right now in terms of like kind of
really coming out to play.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Oh, Italy, my wife said time from Sicily. I think
there's so much potential there. I played with two Italians
for Cyprus for the Champions League and they were probably
one of the best players I've ever played with. I
hope they're on the come up. They played an amazing tournament.

(24:15):
Holy crap. They weren't scared to keep it. You know
a lot of teams like that that haven't been in
a major tournament, kind of just long ball and sitting
in a little block. Now, when they won the ball,
they did one two's and they kept it, and I
was super impressed. Super impressed. However, because I'm married to
a wife and the whole loss came out about LGBTQ

(24:39):
not having Sarahcacy, like I think, and people don't think
like politics or government kind of impacts things, and I
think it does like I think it does. And they
just I just saw something that dogs are allowed on
all of their commercial flights, so I think dogs have
like more rights than gay people at the moment, and

(25:00):
and it's really disappointing Swan and God, I hope I
hope for a better future for them because I think
there's so many talented players and if they need to
leave the country, please come to the US and develop
I hope, I hope they do. But I'm just really
impressed of how they performed in the tournament against like

(25:24):
all odds, they haven't been in this tournament for so long,
and there were there were really really amazing plays and
players that performed.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
You brought up the LGBTQ thing, which is this part
of It's not entirely related just to Italy, but I
did want to ask you about it. They allowed the
teams to select whether or not they wanted the rainbow
armband on the captain's armbands for the Euros, because I
guess there was you know, there was some talk at

(25:56):
the World Cup about it, there was talk at the
Olympics about it. There was talk about, you know, like
that some countries didn't want to put it on. So
there were one, two, three, four, five, six countries that
elected not to wear the rainbow on their armband France,
the Netherlands, Spain, Poland, Belgium, and Portugal. What do you
think about that in terms of, like, you know, I know,

(26:16):
some people are saying it has to do with player safety,
some are saying it has to do with like government
in you know, those countries. But how important is that?
And then there's people that are like, who cares, it's
just a rainbow, But how important is that visibility on
those global stages, especially in those types of countries.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
I think the visibility is everything. I mean player to
give you an example, like players that put it extra
in the MLB minor league Baseball moves mountains when when
when countries don't like elect to do it as a whole,
which is pretty cool. The player safety thing is odd.

(26:57):
So we've had a couple of players on the past,
and we've had organizations come in talking about these issues,
and some people are like, no, I can't do it
because of my religious affiliation. Blah blah blah. And in
those conversations they felt super uncomfortable, uh scared, maybe cried,

(27:18):
and like I'm like sorry, people people also die for this,
for being who they are. Not only do they cry,
they one get killed and or commit suicide. And I'm
gonna get emotional, but uh yeah, like the mental health

(27:41):
over over religious like freedoms, I don't I will never
understand it, really, and I don't think the government should
ever have a say in it. There's separation of church
and stay for a reason. It's so important for people
to stand up every single day. Yeah, that's that's all
I got to say about that.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Yeah, I'm going to put you a little bit on
the spot here. And Okay, Corbin Albert, I don't know
if you saw, but like last week, so she got
married again or she got married and she started kind
of liking some anti LGBT comments on her post. I
think she's tried to delete them now, but it's the
damage is done. It's been seen. People have seen it,

(28:24):
you know, after the before the World Cup in twenty three,
this happened the first time, right where she was liking
things on TikTok and it got out and the team
kind of put out like a, oh, we're going to
talk to her about it and it's going to get fixed.
And then it was quiet. And now it's two years
later and it's happening again. So obviously the lessons have
not been learned. How dangerous is it for players to

(28:48):
have teammates in that representation of that like anti LGBT
stance in these stadiums that are so LGBT catered too,
you know, the fan bases, the players, the ownership groups, everything.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
I mean, when I was younger, I didn't think it
was dangerous. I was like, I'm gonna be who I am.
The government's kind of you know, how to side aye
to it, there's no laws against it. And now it's
like social media is so good in so many ways,
and then it actually is like super negative in so
many ways, and like you can see a lot of

(29:26):
LGBTQ anti kind of feed off of that energy, which
is really scary and dangerous, and it creates a divide.
I can't even talk to you about how like how
crazy the divide social media brings people and they do
it they you know, the algorithm does it based on

(29:47):
your beliefs or your fears, because I think people that
are against like love have a lot of fears, which
is so sad. I do again, like here's here's where
I heard on Lincoln, Nebraska. I didn't think being gay
was a thing. I had like a gay art teacher.
People would make fun of him and I'd be like, oh, like,

(30:08):
it's not a big deal. Like I the first girl
that kissed me, I was like, oh no, it gross
and I almost threw up. And then I dated her
for two years after.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
So usually outward.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, so my social barrier barriers had to break down.
But where was I? Oh no, no, I'm but basically
anything in the public I was super dangerous. But I
do I will give space for younger players to learn

(30:44):
to be in this space because I was in a
different space when I was younger. But at some point
there needs to be accountability, either accountability or just like
the willingness to learn about about humans?

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Is it like a but is it like a I mean,
if you're Emma Hayes, right, is this like a one strike,
two strike, three strikes you're out kind of policy?

Speaker 5 (31:13):
Like?

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Or is this just like a you keep performing and
we're just gonna keep dealing with it. And you know,
how does that We're in such a politically tense part
of your world history right now, you know, especially towards
LGBT people.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
I'm that's one of the hardest questions. I'm gonna say.
If she likes anti gay, if she's promoting hate one two,
three strikes, if she's promoting her own religion as saying
like you could be saved or being whatever whatever it is,
then like then you can bring her in and maybe
like teacher. You know, I stayed with a Buddhist nun

(31:55):
in South Korea for a week and a half. I've
studied Christian I've done you know, that's what people do
to learn and make their own opinion, and then you
whether you're super passionate about something. I think like, if
she's anything anti hate against a human, it's not it's
not a sexual prefer it's a sexual orientation. It's it's

(32:18):
who people are. And got my my coach Aunts Dorance
was like, I just wish everyone that was super against
it had a gay child and their whole their whole
perspective would change. I think like anti hate and uh
and anti rites for any human is a no go

(32:38):
So I would say three.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Strikes is is.

Speaker 5 (32:41):
Uh, you've been all over the world, and I'm sure
you've been single all over the world, right, what is
what is that like across those different countries and like
is there a lot of like.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Sneaky linking going on? Like they try to you know
what I mean, Like it's just different.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
That's crazy standards, you know, in terms of like how
out you can be.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Oh, man, if you want to get caught it. I
wish we had four hours on this podcast.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
So you can talk as long as you want. We're
not going to cut you.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Off all right. In South Korea, I had a huge
crush on this Korean. This is before my wife, my
wife's mind forever. I love her. Toda Okay, that's my
past huge crush on the Korean. I just saw she
got married to a man, but she was definitely into women. Yeah,
they're they A lot of my South Korean teammates would

(33:34):
would date each other. They would and it's just not
accepted at the moment there. Every every time you go
to someone's house, you're like, do you have a boyfriend yet?
And they're like a lot of people are really shy
and it should you know. It's just yeah, I don't
think they're like people are super comfortable. I don't think

(33:55):
it's illegal. Maybe it is super comfortable with coming out.
And I'm like, you can't tell in twenty twenty five,
you can't tell if someone likes women or men. That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
But speaking of you want to talk about someone who
cannot tell that one right there? Her radar is like, listen,
I live in all the girls.

Speaker 5 (34:20):
All the girls in Portland have sleeves and wear hats
like page and someone like men and some of them.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Don't you know? Could I date it?

Speaker 5 (34:29):
Man?

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah you could in Portland you.

Speaker 6 (34:32):
Could, Yes, you could, but that could also be like, oh,
this is just me going to the coffee shop energy
and then like you know, I've seen you dress up.

Speaker 5 (34:43):
I've seen your sister and like she seems like she
dresses up, so you've got the same aesthetic, like you
could easily sort of you kind of stamish, you know,
I can't tell. Mostly when women are into me. That's
really what it is. That's really like.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
You can't tell. Women are like so.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
Direct, No they're not, they're just not no.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
No, straight women are like, oh you're you're freaking hot, babe.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
What up?

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Like, You're like, babe, come on boo, no, no, no.
Lesbian women are like, do you want to go home
later with me? And do you want to bring a suitcase?

Speaker 4 (35:24):
They get in their jeep.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
You know, Audi stuff we gotta talk about. So I
have an Audi, she has jeep.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
We're beefing. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
When your car broke down and we had to reschedule,
I was like, that's some jeep ship right there, Sarah and.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Said she's got an Audi. I had to be right.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
I had to be right.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
We got totally deriled. I don't because.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
I need it. I need to just say something about that.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was gonna put you back
on track. Cant go ahead?

Speaker 2 (35:56):
So uh me and so spirit girls, what's the good?
Doha doha guitar? Sorry, that's weird, very against gays whenever,
Middle East. But we became friends with a female composer,
like super famous. She brought us to her house made
of gold. I don't know, she's worth a loss made

(36:18):
of gold. No, everything's made of gold and guitar. It's
super clean and there's like one percent unemployment. But we
went into this basement and they were all gay people,
so missigs drinking alcohol and we're like, what is this.
We're in the Middle East.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
That's crazy. No, it's crazy, like guess speak easy for lesbians.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah, but it made me like super hopeful, Like I'm like,
this is kind of what America was like in the
eighties nineties. You know, everyone want to do drugs. They
didn't care if they were legal. They just like loved
each other. That kept it kind of hidden in the closet,
which is kind of hot, you know, but I do
know the importance of not keeping it in the closet.
But all around the world people have been gay for

(37:05):
since I don't know, the sixteen hundreds BC. When was it.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
I don't know, since since people have existed. Yeah, yeah,
oh yeah, yeah, I mean yeah for sure. And it's
it is like you said, and it's so ingrained in
the soccer culture, like and I don't really know, I mean,
so you can tell me. I think there's obviously a
big component in it like in other sports. But for

(37:31):
some reason to me, like whenever I think of like
the culture of queer women, it always like soccer is
so part of that, and like soccer relationships and soccer
players and I mean we saw Tobin and Kristin announced
that they were married, which I mean I think everyone

(37:52):
had already known for some amount of time. But like
the way the fan base reacted to that, it's just
like it's a win for like all gay people, you know.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
It is one how do I do W well?

Speaker 5 (38:11):
I think also that's I think the NWSL and like
soccer culture has like a higher population of white lesbians,
and the WNBA and basketball has a higher population of studs.
That's what you just we see much more of just

(38:33):
different different vibes, speaking of which we were going to
ask you this later on, but it's like an easy transition.
The w right now is kind of having a moment
based off of a lot of drama and like we
kind of are living and dying through the soap opera
of it all. And one of the number one things
we want to ask you about is is the NWSL

(38:54):
as like sisterhood and we all love each other as
it seems like, or is those those like sort of
bitter rivalries, the drama, the cattiness.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Does that exist also in the NWSL. We don't know
about it.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Listen, We've all been through a lot. I'm not gonna lie.
When I went on the off season, I was super
scared of Michelle Elosier because I took her out a
bunch of times on the game. And this is before
like a major World Cup. They were all cleaned, mind you,
and we came into this house together. It was like

(39:34):
a group hug. It's like it was after all the trauma,
the verbal abuse, sexual abuse, whatever happened into our league,
and we're like, we're here and we've made it. We've
made Is there beef? Absolutely yes. Do we have people
broadcasters that are from the eighties, like from ESPN that no, soccer,

(39:58):
absolutely not. We have a we have a Stephen Smith
getting into Clayton or sorry, we have Steven Smith from
ESPN getting into the w NBA drama a male, a
black male and speaking out about Caitlin Clark and unfortunately
we need male voices and he's getting a lot of
flak for for a lot of it. But uh, but

(40:22):
I'm telling you, when you have TV broadcasters bringing up drama,
then it just makes a wider scale. We have the NWSL.
We have amazing broadcasters, But are they on ESPN? Not really? No,
we have one game. We have one game a year
on ESPN.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
Is the drama? Do you think like it's good for
the game?

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Hmm, that's good. It depends how it's taken. The drama
of the game. All the hate comments, they're like, this
is why you should watch men's sport, Like it doesn't
really hold that much weight. I think it is good
for the game. I mean, you have your Angel Reese,

(41:07):
Kaitlin Clark. I think Asia Wilson is one of the
best players in the league, but she doesn't create drama.
So like, honestly, what's the saying, no press is bad press?

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Exactly?

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Yeah, listen, like we're still going to compete every single day.
You get invested in our stories. Whether you make like
a stupid fight, I don't know what's the Sophie Cunningham
and Kaitlyn Clark based. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
Who should we be pitting against each other on our podcast?

Speaker 2 (41:49):
That's smart, that's smart.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Well, just create the drama out of nowhere, like.

Speaker 5 (41:57):
Let's call it kindling, Like there's just a little bit
of smoke, and who should we be.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
On the fire too?

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Oh, let me think about that. Crushes crushes and I
can't expose people that are out yet. I don't even know.
I just learned two of my teammates that are good
and I had no idea. So I'm still I'm thirty one.
I don't know. I don't know anything anymore.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
Oh kids these days, I'll tell you, they're like they're
all gay. It feels like they're all okay Z.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
They're like, we don't even Sarah hates the fact that
gen Z doesn't feel like they need to come out
because she's like.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
What, well, because I need to be I need to
know if it's okay to talk about it or not okay,
you know, like I don't want to out somebody and
so like. But then you're like, oh, no, they've been out,
and you're like when they when did they come out?
Like we've dealt with this with with basketball players before,
where it's like, oh, someone so and so got out it,
and it's like so and so is I already to

(43:00):
do a woman? What do you mean they're out? Like
they're got out it, like they've already been out, and
it's like, well, they've never told me, so I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
To be fair, I've never really came out.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
So this is age is coming out episode Actually I
came out.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
To my family. That's all they needed, That's all I
needed to know.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
It is weird, Is it like I think that in
the forearm tattoo you were kind of out.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
That was only like thirty days ago.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
So she welcome, welcome now page to being gay.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
And this is my family and this is my mom.
The halo, the birds are my family and it's an anchor.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
I love that. I love that. We've okay, I've totally
derailed us. You one of the one of your housemates
for the off season was Maria Sanchez who was also
at Houston.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Uh was she?

Speaker 4 (43:51):
Were you guys there overlap at all?

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Ud leave before you got there. She loves and she's
the reason why I came to Houston. It was supposed
to be a three way trade with Houston, San Diego,
and Angel City, but then it just became a trade
with Houston and Angel City. I don't know why, but anyways,

(44:15):
we talked a lot in the off season and I
had a feeling, like I don't know, I just had
those feelings that we would trade places with her.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
Is it surprising that you know she left San Diego
mid season to go back to Mexico. Does that. Is
that a surprise for you or do you feel like
they weren't using her? Well, you know, what was what's
your reaction to that?

Speaker 2 (44:44):
That's hard? I think I think. I mean, she wasn't
starting a couple of games. I think she took a
small pay cut to go to San Diego and she's
still pretty young. And our agency we should the same
agency team j They're really great, and I think I

(45:05):
think a lot of players kind of get roped in
which you want to be a part of the club
that builds something, even if you're a bench player or
a starter. But we we kind of get taken advantage
of in so many ways, and our bodies only last
for a couple of years. And I'm telling you, Tigret,

(45:26):
some of these Spanish teams pay a lot of money
and if you don't feel super valued and important on
your team. I think she was like semi happy there,
but like wasn't super passionate, which I think is what
keeps us going. I'm not surprised at all. I think
like she loved she had a huge fan base. I

(45:49):
don't think people will understand how much we crave community
and a fan base. You know, we gave up everything
for the sport, and so when you taste it, it's
it's it's it's hard to not have it again. If
that makes sense, why.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Why should anyone want to play for Orlando?

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Then hmm, that's a good question.

Speaker 5 (46:12):
Like if you guys are good, if you guys crave
community more than anything else, the fans just don't show
up there.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
That's a really good question. I think. I think you
look at their roster. I'm going to take strong for example. Now,
what's her name, Nadaaner. She she wasn't picked up by
any team in the end of yourself. She was a
trialist and she's actually formed into one of the best

(46:41):
defenders in the league, most consistent. Marta right, she's one
of the best players in the world. Forever she'll go.
I think I think they've made an environment where they
know that players are going to get better no matter what.
And again, if a club makes you feel valued, whether

(47:05):
you're a sub or a starter, and pays you, well,
I'll give you an example. And some other teams they
pay one player a lot of money and the rest
of the players don't get a lot, which is kind
of a dumb move. In this leek, I think anyone

(47:26):
can have a breakout year, whether you're twenty years old
or whatever. I mean, like I walked on to North Carolina,
I went into debt for so many years. I waitressed
all through my four years, But it's because I wanted
to be a part of something bigger than myself. So
now as the money keeps increasing, the value it keeps increasing,

(47:49):
it it gets harder and harder. But there's a way
to create that environment in history.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
And yeah, it seems like in your thirties should not
be like old as an athlete. But in the NWSL,
we're seeing like the signees get younger and younger and younger.
Like it feels like every week it's like the newest
youngest player of all time has entered the game at
like fourteen years old, and you're like, how young are

(48:16):
these kids gonna get? Does it put a lot of
extra pressure on the veterans because of like it feels
like the new contracts, every new contract is like the
highest contract ever you know, ever signed and the youngest players,
And do you does it put more pressure on you
to like play through situations that maybe aren't ideal because

(48:38):
it's like you leave and your spot is gone.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah, I think some players. I mean, there's so many
good young players, and I'm super happy to see that,
but I think like a lot of US thirty plus,
our joints are sixty plus, and some of the games
where I'm like, you know what, left nineteen year old
taker from here? We I just feel like our generation

(49:05):
felt like they had a responsibility to grow this league,
to give opportunities to young people. And I know that
like sounds cliche, but when I see it, I it
gives me purpose and it gives me like a sense
of happiness, and like I did take that five thousand
dollars salary at twenty sixteen instead of a six figure

(49:26):
salary and investment banking for a reason, you know. But yes,
some players do fight through injury. But I will tell
you from the start of the league till now, the
PT medical team, the staff have been so much better.
You go to a training room and it's usually thirty

(49:48):
thirty plus in every like our medical team at Houston Dash.
What I had at LA, I couldn't run for a
year at this spirit. Actually I had a lot of issues.
But but the PT has has gotten so much better
and it's going to contribute to long lasting playing and like,
even when those young players do bad or they can't

(50:10):
handle a full season of a year, you'll see veterans
come back in and you're like, oh, this is why
they're a veteran, you know.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
You see that even a little bit right now with
the US women's national team. You have women who are
not injured, they're just having kids, and it feels like
maybe they won't make the US national team now because
of these young kids who are showing out in these friendlies.
Like it's a tough situation to figure this roster out.

(50:38):
What do you think will happen? Do you think we
see the triple espresso again?

Speaker 2 (50:44):
That's a good question. I think, like, I'm so blessed
and happy that Emma Hayes as a coach. No one
in the history of US has like get given more people.
I always me and my friend Danny Weatherhall. Sorry to
call her out, but we talked about how our generation
kind of got skipped. It was all the older players

(51:05):
and then they were trying to get younger players, and
our whole generation got skipped. But but the way she's
calling in new players and people are like, oh, who's
gonna play? No that's been the US since time. I'm sorry,
Like the difference of level of playing of a lot

(51:27):
of players. They were this close to making millions and
millions of dollars to six thousand dollars, Like I don't
know if that's capitalism in the US, but uh, but
the level like we have, we have so many good
players throughout the country. And this is why I don't
want to be a head coach. It's too hard to choose.

(51:49):
But I do think players that have a break, they
have a baby, they come back. It's like, honestly, a
lot of the times, it's like writing if I can
almost they become better. There's less pressure, they're a mom,
there's there's more purpose to life, it's less got to
remember mal Ugh as a sixteen seventeen year old with

(52:11):
the national team and she went through this whole roller
coaster thing and she was with me at the Spirit
and then she kind of came back to reform and
that's one of the best players I've ever seen play
the game. Like she had to go through this, but
now as a mother, she's I just think like that
all the pressure will be off and they're all going

(52:33):
to be incredible. That's that's what I think.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
You've now played with two of like probably the premier
young future of the US soccer and both Elissa Thompson
and Trinity Rodman, what have you seen? Like, how did
they I mean they both came into the league so young.

(52:58):
How did they just jump right into it and really
take that spotlight and that that torch.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Both of them right away. Both of them were the
most humble people I've ever met coming into a professional environment,
and I think that was really I think that's right
now being somehow missed. I think some some kids come
to the league like thinking they should play and I'm like,

(53:26):
oh no, this league is really freaking hard. But actually,
every single game, every single training, probably Trinity and Alyssa
were the hardest people I've ever played with their rookie season.
Alyssa put too much pressure on herself. I think Trinity
was like, listen, I'm just lucky to be here. I'm

(53:46):
ready to learn. And I think that'll take them both
really far to peach. You can see this is growth
in the game, and she takes like the game by
the bulls now, She's like, watch me do this right
in Trinity without her injury, she's so creative. She works

(54:06):
incredibly hard. She was the first board that had so
much skill that I was like, holy crap. She actually
defends too, which was really nice to see. I hope
for both of them they don't go through the same
thing that a lot of people do that, you know,
the fame. I hope they continue to learn, be coachable

(54:31):
and understand that the more the better you get, the
more this game brings you. So that's my hope for
them for the future.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
I had read before and then you said earlier that
you know you went to UNC because of Tobin. What's
the story with that?

Speaker 2 (54:51):
She doesn't know it. So when I was young, I
got offered a full ride to Nebraska in eighth grade
and and he was like, are you gonna take it?
And my mom came into the meeting with me and
she was like, she's in eighth grade. We're going to
the North Carolina camp this summer. And he started laughing
at me. He goes, do you think you can really
make it at North Carolina? Anyways, So we go to

(55:15):
the North Carolina College I d camp because there's no
opportunities in Nebraska. And the first day I get to
like the camp thing. Casey Nikira. I don't know if
you know her, but she could have been freaking amazing
for a long time. She still was amazing, but her
career was short. And Tobin Heath and sports bras and

(55:37):
long shorts in their longboards come down the old field
at UNC like sunglasses on. I've never seen it in
my life. I'm from Nebraska. I see many denim skirts
and like heels, and I was like, this is freaking dope,
Like who are they? They look like celebrities, but in

(55:59):
my way, you know, like weird soccer celebrities. And they
come down, they get introduced, and they did this juggling
they did. They did this juggling thing where they were
gonna do all fourteen services and they're like, ants, let's
just do something fun. They juggled with their shins back

(56:19):
and forth, shins for about four hundred and twenty five times.
Oh my god, with their shin their shine, not foot,
not by, not ahead, How did your leg even do that?

Speaker 5 (56:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Their hip flexus I think were really sore after that.
But but at that moment, I was like, I think
I need to come to North Carolina. They made soccer
feel so cool, They made the environment feel so cool.
They were themselves. They didn't care what people thought about them.
And then after that, I went to a Notre Dame

(56:54):
game versus and see at Notre Dame. My mom and
I drove eight hours to see this game. And then
once seven zero Tobin had three goals. Courtney Jones was
a part of that. And I was on the inline
right and she she tries to cross the ball, the
defender gets in the way and she pushed, pushes the

(57:15):
defender down and says, say the fuck down, bitch, And
I was I was like so young, and I was like,
oh my god, Oh my god, he's crazy. Who is a.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
Is there like a trash talker in the n w
s L, like a big trash talker that is like
that mmmm?

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Is it you?

Speaker 4 (57:39):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (57:39):
No, people trash talk me. And I'm like, listen, it's okay.
We'll be friends.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
It's okay, you can say it.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
I wish man, I try, I try and be mean
or you know, I we're all friends in the league, right,
I would say. Back in the day, it was Rachel
Daily for the dash.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
Yeah, I can see that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
When before Merrett and I became friends, Merret Matthias was
a big trash talker. Sid LaRue does a lot on
Twitter and I love her for it. Who else is
a big trash talker? Only mark Ta has a lot
of facial expressions, which is really entertaining. But I can't.
I can'tnot laugh or smile On'm like it's okay, Like

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we'll be okay after this, I promise. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
That's so funny.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
I love of the passion. I wish I had it,
but we're all still friends, you know at the end.

Speaker 5 (58:38):
Do you think the NWSL should have an All Star game?

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (58:45):
I think who with captain?

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Who would captain? Okay? My first thought is Lovela Maaza
so she can twork when she scores, and she'd be
like the mom of All Star team. Probably, like if
there's not a coach, you probably put people in their positions.
She's probably the striker nine, she's the score. Who's the
captain on the other side? Okay, I have three. I

(59:16):
have Emily's onnet because she can she's I don't know
if she's a loud talker, just loud. I have Tierna
Davison if she was healthy because go defenders. And then
I have who else do I have Jess Fish slock.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
Oh that's a good one, right, she's yeah, that's a
good one.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
I got drafted to Seattle and uh yeah. She was
scary at first, but she's like a teddy bear and
she's she's a really great leader.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
She was like, is she like the og of Seattle?

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Like the she's a og making her the og?

Speaker 5 (59:55):
Right?

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (59:56):
Yeah, because she started there like when Seattle started, right yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:00:00):
And Lauren Lauren Barnes and yeah, that's right. I will
tell you before we go on. Jess social I told
me I was gay and I was like, no, I
am not. And she was like, come to the Seattle
gay Parade and I was like, no, I'll come for you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
I'll be an ally and she's like, come on, look
at your cutoff tank top right now. And I was like, listen,
I love people like I could kiss a girl probably,
but it's not my thing. And so here I am.

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
How old were you when you realized?

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
It wasn't until I almost vomited when and when the
girl kissed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Me that first time.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
But how old are you? Twenty two?

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
I was a senior in college.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
I feel like that's a normal age, especially like for
someone from.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
The you were in Seattle.

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
She told you that before you were drafted, or she
told you that that you drafted after.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Yes, she still hadn't fully come to terms with it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Oh no, my first girlfriend. I loved her so much,
but I treated her not the best friend because I
was still figure out who I was.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Yeah, she was like an exception. You were you were
like straight, but you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Had it was a phase. Yeah, and here I am.
You know what, you just don't know yet.

Speaker 5 (01:01:39):
I think I know, But Sarah thinks I'm like, like,
she doesn't think that bisexual is a thing.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
I didn't say that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
I think bisexual is the only thing.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
That's what I think. I didn't say that. I don't
think it's a thing. I just don't think you are.
That's the difference.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Yeah, that's basically what she's said. She doesn't think that
my attraction the man is real.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Correct. Oh oh wait, Oh so you're bisexual? Yeah, yeah,
that's I'm bisexual. I'm gay because I have a wife,
but like, if I had to identify, it would be
bisexual and I have an outie.

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
Oh okay, yeah, so I think it's like, well, you
don't really when when, especially since I think I'm probably
maybe not who knows.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:02:24):
I feel I'm straight passing or straight like seeming that
that like, it's hard for me to sort of know
anyone that's not fully stud studded out.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
You can tell her if she's not, by the way,
because I don't think.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
Yeah, she doesn't think I yeah, she doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
She doesn't think I the straight at all.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
No, I'm straight passing.

Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
She was like, if I saw you, I would think
you were gay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Oh uh no, you could find the right man. It
would take you a lot longer.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
The sweating I'm sweating.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
This is not.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
Thank you for backing me up there page. Thank you
for writing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
For for a lot of women. By the way, it's
just they have to have sisters, so.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
She's there's just like two of them.

Speaker 5 (01:03:20):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
I came in his sweatshirt today.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
That's the only reason was your Is your wife a
soccer person?

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
No? If you want to know the short story, lacrosse, baseball, football,
Long Island. She lived in DC. All of her friends
were soccer fans at Auty Stadium, and they sent her
Alex Morgan on an Instagram page and I came up
on Explorer and she goes, I want that one, wait

(01:03:48):
in your d MS. Yeah, she said, sliding in your
DM's smiling face. I was dating a guy at the time,
and I was like, nah, let me let me check
this girl out.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
Let me let me just I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Yeah, I'm a terrible text her, but she is so funny,
you know New York, New York comedy. Yeah, she said
on my DNS because her friends sent her like all
these soccer players and I show up on her explore
Now she's a huge avid nwan. She hates men's soccer.
She's like, all I want to watch is women's soccer.

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So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
That's incredible. What a great show, What a great conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Rat show. We're gonna have to have you back.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Yeah, sure, definitely mean anytime.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Yes, I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
I love that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:39):
That was an awesome conversation with our girl.

Speaker 6 (01:04:42):
Page.

Speaker 5 (01:04:44):
Come back next week for our normal episode with Joy Taylor,
as well as some of our news conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Joy has a lot to say.

Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
Uh, page one two three letter shoot one two three.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Letter what it's like a dory? You have to explain
what it is? You? Sorry, sorry, I can't. You can't
explain the letter shoot?

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
Okay, so our our podcast, all right, our podcast is
called letter Shoot. Everybody when they see someone open it
to a woman, they let them. They say, let her shoot,
beating like, hey, we don't care if she shoots because
she's well, she's kinda anyway.

Speaker 6 (01:05:22):
So one two three letter shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Wait what, I'm hot.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
I'm a hotter. I get anything I want.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
This is my world.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
I make big moves in my big hue. Since I
take that I was born, I've been a big deal