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Speaker 4 (00:51):
Okay?

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Speaker 1 (02:01):
Ugh.

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Speaker 3 (02:05):
And if you.

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with the bonnet on. You'll see some photos.

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I have not seen these photos yet.

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I know I was saving them for the show. We've
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the group, Send them to the group chat, send the
group chat. Oh, Adrian can check it out too.

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when we're on? It's very distracting. I thought about it
when I was watching the podcast back with Paige. I
was like, she drinks that water a lot.

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You eat a lot on the podcast.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
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Speaker 1 (05:08):
Probably. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Anyway, today we're talking a little hoops wnba. Sarah doesn't
know what load management is, so we're gonna explain what
that is to her and why's mad? Yeah, load manage,
manage that load girl. People don't are very upset that
Paige Beckers is already load managing her rookie year. We're
gonna talk a little footy. We've got a Maya Colpa,
not really a Maya Colpa, but we took l's in

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the chat. For our comments and predictions of England losing
in the finals, we were very wrong. Our comment section
has been flooded. I forgot that Sam, Sarah's fiance is
like low key British since her mom's British, so she
told us to last twenty four hours have been wild.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
For anyone who didn't watch our Friday episode. We picked
Spain to win.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
We didn't know.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Spain, though we picked Spain.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
We we put our flags in the wet our.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah, we I was gonna make a colonizer's joke in
that Spain England in the US or double like the
triple Colonizer threat of horrificness anyway, but I don't have
a good one there. So we picked Spain to win

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and the least successful?

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Is Spain the least successful colonizer of the three?

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Well, they invented slavery, so I don't think that's true.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
They invented I don't think they invented slavery. Did Spain
invent slavery? Modern slave trade? Yeah, that's what I just
that's that's not the same thing. Okay, I meant that's
inventing the cell phone versus the iPhone.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
You're really just splitting hairs here. It's not good.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
No, But are they the least successful?

Speaker 1 (06:58):
I mean thet Yeah, they've got they've got it all.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Afro Caribbean, they got Afro anyway.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
So we picked Spain to win. And the names that
we have been called in the last twenty four hours
for that pick are well, we've been called We've been
called we've been called homophobic, which that one's yeah. We
were called homophobic because we picked the straighter team over the.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Gig, the ones that wouldn't wear the bands. Yeah, because
they yeah, okay, they We.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Also got called xenophobic because apparently us.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
I think you need to stay out of these comments.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
We also got I had to delete us being called
about four hundred and eighty five times.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Oh, yeah, we need to clearly put that into the
keywords that we delete. I have those in mind. Oh yeah,
kitchen is another one. Woman is another one. Any kiches, Yeah,
you gotta you gotta flag kitchen. Yeah, I didn't know
about that.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
I did not know if I got a flag kitchen.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Well, apparently there's a couple other things we I mean people.
My favorite was the guy who said that we were
just pissed that the USA got knocked out of the
Euros early, to which I responded to him, well, we
got knocked out of the Euros in seventeen seventy six.
And he did laugh at that, so I would give
him credit because he did laugh at that, And he
was like, you know what, respect because I didn't expect

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the answer. But it's ugly in there. It's real ugly.
We're getting trolled. We trolled ourselves. Well, Sam trolled us.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah she did, Yes, I am. I cried laughing at it. Basically,
I haven't heard this sound from TikTok and along.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
You've never seen that trend.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
No, I saw it in since twenty twenty one. It
came out twenty two. Oh yeahs, I'm oh theyoo THEO
today anyway, Yeah, that was really good. It was a
good one, and so we had to think about what
our Chloe Kelly fan account would be called. I think
it would be called the Chloe Hive.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
I think it can use work.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
How about the Yeah, school, work on will work on.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
For those who didn't watch the Euros, Spain, it was England,
it was a really good game, went to PK's, went
to too, you know, fifteen minute quarters, and then went
to what do they call them? They call them halves.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
I think they're halves.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
I guess that makes sense. They're weird enough haves. Well,
because the half of soccer is forty five minutes, so
I guess said half of forty five is still not fifteen.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
So mad school, can we just start by giving our
takes of the game because.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
I have Yes, yeah, you have some thoughts. Hold on
real quick though, For anyone who didn't watch it, Spain
lost three to one in PKS. Well they lost one
one three one in PKS.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, so I still don't believe that England deserved to
be there. So that's something to just start.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Canceled in.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
I don't care, I don't care. Here's what I have
to say.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Bye bye, way hold on, real quick, real quick, real quick.
Speaking of being canceled in Europe in England, my favorite
comment on all of this was because we said that
we just like, don't want we don't like England, right,
and everyone's comment was fuck you, you stupid Americans. And
I was like, I don't really see this much of
a difference. Why we don't like this is why you

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don't like you.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
I mean, you're kind, It's not like you're.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Like, oh, please say such mean things. They got very nasty,
very quick, very colonial, you know what I mean. They
got very They colonized us. They weren't into it. I
will say, is a couple of things, Okay. One, clearly
Spain was the better team. They were number two. Spain

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played with their food in the second half way too much.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
And that was really the.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Interview that we had with Paige Neilsen last week. I
just kept replaying some of the things that she said
about how many times they were going to get into
the box and how they were not going to convert,
and that is exactly what happened. Our girl Lopez, who
I don't really know that well, but I know her
only because she fucked up so much. She had multiple

(11:38):
opportunities to score. One of those the ball just one
towards the end, the one towards the end, her legs
she got she nut megged herself.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
She meg herself for a goal, which was not good
and it was.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
A perfect setup opportunity for her to just tap tap
it in and that would have been that. And there
were multiple opportunities like that. I thought that On the
positive side, England came out in the second half and
really played a lot cleaner, a lot more technical. It
felt like their defense was really like tight. But to

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that I would say they also added another defender.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
That's what they did.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
They they moved like they had their back line fortified,
somewhat parking the bus. And once Chloe Kelly who came in.
I don't know what minute she came in.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
It was early.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
It was early.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
It was like the thirtieth minute or something.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
It was early, yeah, twenty something, because it was Lauren
James who had an ankle injury, right.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
And yeah, well, and she hadn't been she was already
like on the fence about playing. They weren't. They weren't
totally sure she was healthy enough yet.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
And then it turns out and she wasn't she turned
an ankle. Chloe Kelly came in with the cross, set
it up and it's a tie game. And after that,
England said, are very content to go to penalty kicks.
That's all we want to do is just go to penalties.
That's what it felt that they were doing to me.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
By the way, Kelly, Chloe Kelly needs more respect on
her name. She's fucking good like and I know she
has a lot of respect on her name in the UK,
but I just mean, like, in general, Chloe Kelly needs
more respect on her name. Because now this was the
second she said, now two euro winning goals. Now technically,

(13:28):
I mean Spain kind of threw away their chances before
her goal.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
They did.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
They shanked it. They shanked their fourth kick. You can't,
I mean you just no, real quick, you can't.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
Wah.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
The in the PKS as well was wild.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
You want to have though, because yes, but no, because
I remember this happened with a World Cup.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
In twenty some more PKS. You want to have another game.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
You want to have your stronger well, because when it
becomes first out, you want someone who you know was
gonna make it. You also want to make sure that
you have people up there that have the mental fortitude
to stand eye to eye with Keeper and try to
trick them out. It's not as much about skill as
it is about the the mind game of it.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Back to Chloe Kelly for a second, she was, you
know how you can tell she's really really good and
like this deserves a lot more respect and probably should
be starting over. Lauren James is when she's out there,
I'm afraid, as someone who's rooting against England, I am afraid.
Every time she's doing anything, just doing stuff, the corners,

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the cross everything that she's involved in offensively, I am scared.
And so if she didn't play earlier, I don't know
that they would have scored if Lauren James wouldn't have
twisted her ankle and come out, and she would have
maybe come in in the seventieth minute instead of whatever
it was the twentieth minute, I don't know. I don't
remember what minute was, but that's that's something that really

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stood out. So yes, I give really really good.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
I give England a lot of credit though, because to
lose your first game in this tournament and then to
come out and go win after win, that you have
to claw back to get into you know, coming down
from two nothing, coming down in a goal in the
eighty ninth minute, a goal in extra minutes, winning in

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pks twice. I think you really have to have a
lot of heart for that, and you have to really
and confidence and you have to really want it. And
I think while Spain may have been the better team
on the field, I think we saw that, you know,
the way that they were pressing England. They I mean

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they owned the possession of the game. They had twenty
four shots on goal to England's ten, but eleven of
those were completely off target. They went over the ball,
around the bar, they were just complete whiffs. They weren't
finishing in the box, and England was playing so gritty
and so I really give them all that credit plus

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more for digging in and weighing in a way that
was not controverty. I mean, they didn't win in a
way that anyone's gonna look at this and go, oh, well,
without that call, they shouldn't have.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
I mean, they won and they had three yellow cards
and like to come back when it was very clear
that the deck was stacked against them, right like you
could get frustrated over those and I think two of
the yellow cards were pretty ticky.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
Tag to be honest.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, yeah, they were.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
They were, so that could have been an opportunity where
they could have gotten frustrated or you know, played outside
of themselves. I just thought it was easier for them
to play within themselves once they scored and it was
tied and they could sort of just play a heavy,
defensive minded game. But yeah, Love Chloe, Kelly, Love Ajimong.

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By the way, we didn't talk about this on last
pot because it hadn't happened yet. The Royal Family put
out a statement right before the finals praising all of
their players, and they left Michelle Ajumong off the photo.
And I cannot tell you I made a video about
how sort of weird and like stress question Markuee like, hey,

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you don't get the benefit of the doubt, so we
should probably call you out on this. How many Afro
Caribbean Black British people got into the comments like yeah,
this is like what they do to us. You Bolt,
you say, Bolt liked it. There were you know, one
of the former players for the Lionesses.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, and that, by the way, when you click on
her page, her pinned photo is with the Royal family.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, it was nuts. It was nuts.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Quick. Other little footy news, Trinity Rodman is back with
the spirit so.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
That's great things. We love to see. Their first game
isn't back until isn't until August third, so I don't
think we'll see her in the first you know, couple games,
but hopefully we see her this fall. At some point.
Right before we recorded, the US national team were announced
that they're doing two well, they announced three friendlies coming

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up in October, two against Portugal, one undetermined. The first
two have been named as retirement games for Alex Morgan
and a listenaire, which well served. So all right, let
me explain this to you. So beginning in twenty fifteen,
the US national team started this, Like I don't want
to it's a good tradition, I guess for players with

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high caps, you know, who have spent you know of
won World Cups or Olympics, or have spent you know,
years and years of service for the US, they'll do
retirement games where they'll have, like before the game starts
or at halftime, they'll you know, present them with like
a their jersey framed in like a with However, many

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caps they've had, whether it's one hundred, two hundred, three hundred, whatever,
they'll give them like a little plaque. It's just kind
of like a it's it's a chance for fans to
go and basically say goodbye to their favorite players, wear
their jerseys. It's it's just like a fun celebration, but
it's become it's become tradition and seemingly like every big
name that you know has gotten it. Abby Wambach has

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gotten it. It started with her, Becky sowerbrun Ali Kreeger,
Meghan Rappino, Julie Ertz, Kelly O'Hara. So they announced the
one for Alex Morgan and a listen there, but very
notably who was not on that list was Tobin Heath.
And there's been a lot and now given there's still
a third game, it has not been announced. It could
be Tobin. But this has been sort of a pattern

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with the US national team in the recent more recent
years that there have been some very notable names that
did not get any sort of goodbye. Hope Solo was one,
Christy Rampone was another. Lauren Holiday, Drew Holliday's wife was another.
She had over one hundred and thirty caps in her career.
Shannon Box had over one hundred and ninety. Heather O'Reilly,

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And there's been sort of this like weirdness where there
are certain players who seem to get the treatment of
the goodbye, and then there are certain treatment players that
didn't get the treatment. I remember when Carly Lloyd retired,
she got like a she played in a final game,
but they didn't give her like a ceremony, and it

(20:43):
was this whole big thing. But I don't know what
from an outside perspective, do you think the retirement thing is.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
Little?

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Do you think it's a little weird. I think it's
a little.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
I think it's weird.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
I mean it's sweet. But it's always during friendlies. Is
that that? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:00):
I don't They don't don't do it like in the
middle of the Olympics.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, that'd be bar It's typically so usually.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
What it is is usually it's like after a victory tour,
so like after a an Olympics or after a World.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Cup that we've won, because we win all of them,
and that's every single one is a retirement game, not.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Every one of them, but they there's been a lot,
Like I said, there.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Was we're kind of old as ship. We have a
lot of people retiring. If we did retirement games for everybody,
we'd have all we would be doing is retirement.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
But then shouldn't you just do them for nobody?

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Then that's what I would say, unless you're just a legend, you'd.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
Have to be weird.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Does that end?

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Like? Okay? Alex Morgan.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Alex Morgan to me is not a legend, A listenaire,
not a legend. Okay, not a legend, Abby Wambach legend, A.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Listenaire is a legend. All right, Well that's that's not
a debatable topic.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Okay. Well I don't find her to be legendary.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Well I don't al and I to be legendary.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Okay, So that is your perspective. You took a lot
of offense to that.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
I did, I think because I think that's offensive. That's
an offensive statement.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
I don't think Ali Kreeger is a legend. I do
not think Kelly O'Hara is a legend. I do think
Hope Solo is a legend. But I understand why you
wouldn't give one to her.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, Hope Solo is a legend. Yeah, but see, I
would say, I would say, listen, there is a legend.
I would say, Hope Solo is a legend. I would say,
there's a couple other of those that are Christy Rampone
is a legend.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Like she shouldn't agree with that.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Caps.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, so I think just the amount of caps should
make you get a retirement match either.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
But what if you're good enough to play three hundred
and eleven games for the team, like you're good enough
to have gotten thank you?

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Yeah, goodbye?

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Then like make a post on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
They pretend Hope Solo doesn't exist.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, I get it, she's persona non grata. Not fucking
with her, but she is like the legend of legends
to me. She's where I started being interested in women's
soccer in any.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Way, So I mean same, same, But I also did
have a massive crush on her and had.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
To this day.

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see that Janna Stewart got injured.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
I did see that she got injured.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
She has not gotten to a place where the team
thinks she's out for the year. She is going to
be gone for I would say a period of time
that they are going to be very careful with when
they roll her back. I think being gone John Paul
Jones being out for so long, they weren't great, They're

(24:14):
pretty mediocre, but I think they can sustain without Stewie
rushing back, So I think she'll be out probably at
least a couple of weeks. That is a blow for
what the Liberty want to do. Just in the seedings.
I think that's really what matters. Who did they just
get though they just got EuroBasket MVP Emma Mesiman, who

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is six for four, does not play the same position
as Stewie. Stewie's actually a top ten defensive player, which
is why they just lost to the Sparks by like
two the other night. And the Sparks, by the way,
are getting Cameron brink back.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
She isn't actually happening. Yeah, that's happening because it's been
got two years.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
They know it's been thirteen months, but feels like two years.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Because it feels like, well, it's been a season and
a half.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
No, it's been like maybe a season. It's been thirteen
thirteen months. Yeah, so she she's coming back. She'll be
back next game. They say, she's already participated paid in
five on five. The Sparks have been actually pretty good
in the last ten games. I think they've won their
last five in a row. Do you not quote me
on that, but I think that's what it is. So

(25:23):
Osire has been really good as well. So that's some
a bit of news for the Sparks page.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Back by the way, By the way, cam Brink, cam Briink,
friend of the Pod, Friend of the Pod, Friend of
the pot. She did she liked one of our clips.
I don't remember which one was. It might have been
the Liberty Lesbians. One. Cam Brink is a user of
the phrase m NBA.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
I think we kind of popularized MMBA, so she.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Could be a friend of the pod if she's saying
m MBA now.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Paige Becker's is getting a lot of flak right now
because she is already in her first season load managing.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
I was asking you, I don't understand what load managing means,
can you?

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Except it means you sit out of games to manage
your load on your body. So aka rest rest games,
building in games to rest.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Okay, people are mad at her for this.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
They're mad at her, they're mad at the establishment because
load management is seeing. Yeah, load management is seen is
ruining the game because players are sitting out due to
just But whose choice is is? I think it's probably
the medical staff's choice in this case, but a lot
of times it's the player's choice. The players will say, hey,
I'm not playing back to backs. Hey I'll play the

(26:46):
first game of back back, but not the second game.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
But Page doesn't seem like someone who's sitting out unless
her body needs to sit out.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Of a game exactly. So Page has two, has already
had two knee surgeries, has had catastrophees, and is playing
some of the most minutes in the w as a whole.
So this is what she said because people were asking her, Hey,
you know, the people are mad that you are sitting.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Out for no res I think that I call bs
on the being mad at Page.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Buckets thing, she said, I've been dealing with pateller tendonitis
since I was in high school. In a sense, you're
managing it at all times. There's no day where it
doesn't hurt. But to be on the second night of
a back to back where I just played thirty eight minutes.
It usually never feels great the day after the game.
But we usually have an off day or a like
practice day where I can recover. Assuming I would either

(27:33):
have to play a lot of minutes or be managed,
we thought it was the smart thing to do to
rest and recover. Anything. Is there anything to this to
you or not to me to you?

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Well, first of all, I'll say this, I don't think
that anyone has the business to tell someone else what
to do with their body, including resting it, especially an athlete,
Like if they feel that they need rest, they'd probably
need rest. I also think that this speaks more though,
to that scheduling problem right, Like this is talking about
the issue of playing back to backs over and over

(28:08):
and over again with an eleven person roster. So what
else are you going to do? Like you have to
get out there and play thirty minutes back to back nights.
And I think because We've seen so many injuries this season,
like you were just talking about with Stewie, like, we're
seeing so many injuries and there's no reason for that,

(28:29):
and a lot of in my mind, a lot of
that has to be attributed to the rest, the recovery,
the travel, the scheduling, and to.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
That end, I would say there's a lot of people
on the MNBA side, people who actually work for teams,
that are like, give me a fucking break, are you serious,
Like they don't have to deal with anything that the
men's side has to deal with. Eighty two games back
to back, to da da da da da da. To that,
I say, first of all, are we trying to claim
that men's and women's bodies are the same, that our

(29:01):
muscles are the same, that our body composition is the same,
that how our structure is the same. Because women have
a cycles, menstres cycles, we tear acls at such higher
rate than men, I think that there needs to be
some level of knowledge and adjustment and that needs to
be taken into consideration. And also, like I'm going to

(29:22):
say a hot take here, but there are a lot
of men who are using some version of PDS steroids,
PDS to help their body recover.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Also also just as an aside, Yes, the idea that
men are in any way, shape or form more physically
tough than women when it comes to pain management is
actually comical.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
I just think that there's a different musculature with hormones
that exists for men, where they're just able to handle
more of a load and ultimately saying negative things. Pause
you're pointing out the pause is, Sarah, I love it.
I just almost knocked my whole computer down. Anyway, That's

(30:07):
pretty much all we have in the news, Sarah.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
I don't really know how to segue to this. How
do we segue to this?

Speaker 2 (30:12):
So we need to segue into our conversation with Joy Taylor.
I we have an interview coming on in search segue here.
We have an awesome interview with Joy Taylor that we
pre recorded last week. She has since then been on
Higher Learning, which is a sort of a culture tell

(30:32):
all podcast from the Ringer. They had a lot of tea,
a lot of conversation with Joy. Some rumors that she
is now retiring from sports media because she said all
she wants to do is disappear. That has sort of
been circulating. So I'm very excited for people to get
a chance to have a full hour and change that
we had with Joy. What did you take away from

(30:52):
that conversation? Because I obviously know her personally and you don't,
and you actually were talking to someone right before or
the interview and they were like, ugh, Joy Taylor, which
I thought really speaks to kind of the misinterpretation of
her more than anything.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
I didn't know what to expect with Joy, because what
did you expect? I genuinely didn't have an expectation going
into the interview. I thought maybe she would be a
little guarded. I thought maybe she would be a little
closed off, which understandably so because that's how I would be.
And also like, that's how I feel like talent, right

(31:30):
We talk about this all the time, but talent have
a very curated image of themselves. That's usually how they
present it to the world because that's what it's whether
it's their curation or it's the society's curation of what
they want that person to be. And so I think
what my biggest takeaway from Joy is that she's not

(31:51):
a curated person. She is just her own person, and
it's her lack of curation that makes people so uncomfortable
because she does it follow the mold. She does not
fit into the box that people have wanted to place
her into because she's a woman, she's a black woman,
she's a black woman with an opinion, a black woman

(32:14):
with an opinion on sports. So that's a quadruple whammy
to the world.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, she's very voluptuous. Joy had talked about this on
the podcast Joy has curves. Joy, there's no hiding curves,
and so she doesn't And the fact that she continues
to do things anyway the way that she wants to
do them is really impressive to me. I think we

(32:40):
do need to address like because in the comments of
these promo clips that we're posting, and we've been posting
them since the interview happened, there's a lot of people
who are accusing Joy of sleeping her way to the top,
which I've posted a video about, like, Yo, you're not
gonna come in our comments and say that. So that

(33:01):
rumor comes from a lawsuit that happened last year that
alleged alleged sexual misconduct from a hairstylist named Nushine Faragi.
And then in that alleged alleged not who against who
though against Fox as a whole, Skip Bayless and Charlie Dixon,

(33:23):
and Charlie Dixon was the head of Fox Sports, and
Skip Bayless was a pundit on a show that Joy
Taylor was on and called undisputed with Shannon Sharp who's gone,
and Skip Bayliss who's gone? And Joy who's now gone.
And so that lawsuit is alleging that Joy had an

(33:45):
affair with this guy Charlie Dixon, who, by the way,
is not a looker and uh, we'll flash him up here,
flash him up, not a looker, looks like he could
be at a pub in England. Not lie to you.
And so that lawsuit has a stray bullet that Joy
Taylor had a relationship with Charlie Dixon and that helped

(34:08):
her advance her career. And it also claims that she
dismissed this hairstyle stylist allegations about his behavior saying, hey, like,
just sweep it under the rug. And Joy has denied
all these allegations, stating that the lawsuit was really politically
motivated for publicity, which we talk about in the podcast.

(34:29):
And since then, all that people are doing is just saying,
you know, sending the hot dog to the face emoji
or memes, which is just fucking gross. You're getting blocked
if you put that in my comments, by the way,
you're immediately getting blocked.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
It's also just like such low hanging fruit.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, we should probably mention her contract was Yeah, contract
came up, wasn't renewed. But they also canceled three shows
in general.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
And let's be clear, like who did they bring in,
because it's not that they just got ri people.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
They also got people in and they replaced this lineup
with Voldestool. They are bringing in Dave Portnoy to do
Fox Big Noon kickoff, and they're having Barstool shows on
in the morning, and they're gonna not only have those shows,
they're going to repeat playing those shows again leading into

(35:23):
whatever the top rated show is.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
So they've had just keep that in mind.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Let's just keep that in the back of our minds.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
It's not like they're like, oh, you know, we think,
we think what's been going on at Fox has been
really outlandish, and Adeline, we.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Are going to clean things up, right, Like, let's be clear,
Dave Portnoy is coming in to run the show and.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Urban Meyer is still there, so let's be higher.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Is there, So let's be real about Fox and this series.
I'm sorry Fox, Big Dat.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Dave Portnoy and Urban Meyer. So have you done to
me with your moral high ground? So anyway, Joy's not
there anymore. But what I will say about people in
the comment saying that is this a very easy thing
to just take that story and run with it, and
I think that's trash, So keep an open mind. We

(36:20):
are thrilled to welcome one of the more inspirational people
for my career. Joy Taylor, someone that I've been watching
from afar and became knowing her over the last three
to five years when I got to Voldstool. A trailblazing
sports media personality, sharp insights, dynamic presence, just the longest

(36:40):
intro ever, perfect guest for the costunity aka the community
with Lettershoot. Joy, Hi, that's a great intro.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
That was a great intro. I'm really bad at intros
and that was excellent, well done.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I always feel so awkward doing intros and outros I do.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
That's why I'm just like, Hi, this is the person
talking to so, and then.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
It's probably why we're best as like an opinionist because
we're like, yo, the airline traffic controlling.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Thing I don't really want to do, and like doing
can someone? Can somebody else do it?

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Well? Although my biggest fear in intros is like I
say something that isn't true. I introduced them as like
a champion or something, and then I'm like they're like, oh,
I didn't want a championship, like you weren't on the
bench for that one year, Like damn oops.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Why First, my first Super Bowl ever, I had like
a million a million athletes on an iPad, all notes,
and I had Delaney Walker. And the next person was
someone who had played for the Seattle Seahawks, and I
had that person's notes up and we're on live and

(37:59):
I introduced him as a Seattle Seahawks and he's like,
uh No, I don't play for the Seattle Seahawks and
that's not I was like, no, that's not you. He's like,
let's start again. I was like, well, we're on live,
so let's pretend and start again. Let's just go three
two one, Welcome back.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Those are the most nerve racking interviews, like people don't
understand when you're doing though. Well, first of all, live obviously,
like there's no going back, but also when you're just
doing like interview after interview, like on this constant turnover,
especially at some point like you're human, you're gonna fuck up,

(38:39):
and then this person is in front of you. I'm sorry,
can you cars on here? Yep?

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Oh god, yeah, please do please do?

Speaker 4 (38:47):
I always ask after the fact, like, well, there's that.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
I couldn't control Trista's mouth if I tried. She is
just like constant.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
In uh.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Unfortunately she just found that button.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
I cursed them from small people this weekend, and I
was like, am I supposed to do that? Yeah? Those
live things are tough. That's why, like when people people
don't realize how hard it is to be a really
good red carpet correspondent, because I did red carpets a
few times, and it's you're constantly have you ever done
a red carpet before? I did?

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Like the ones where I'm not I'm mostly just grabbing.
There's no like intro outro. But those are hard because
you're like, you don't even know who you're gonna get.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
They just give you little cards. I don't know who
they look like, what they look like.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
You have to know who this person is. You don't
have time to look at notes like you you have,
and then you have uh, like publicists just shoving people
at you, and you have to wait for like the
big interview, so you might be in the middle of interviewing.
You remember when that those those girls got.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
When it was chaperone, they like, oh, Chapel.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
Yeah, and they just like pushed Babyface out of the
way like they were obviously wrong. Like there's a way
you wrap up the interview, like Chapel rone could wait.
It's babyface, you know, but like there's a way you
could wrap it up in an appropriate like transition. But
that is what happens, and then like that person might
move on to the next interview and they're not going
to like walk backwards on the red carpet. It's very

(40:24):
It was like overwhelming for me because I just like
to be prepared, and it's it's almost impossible to prepare
for those scenarios because you just don't know what's coming.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
And then panic sets in, just sheer panic, and then
you're like, well, this is unusable. I'm so bad at
everything I do. We just had an interview with an
athlete over all star weekend that was so bad. I
don't want to ever let it see the light of day.
And I'm like it was me and everybody's like, oh,
it's not you. It's like at the end of the day,

(40:53):
I always blame myself.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
Yeah I don't. I don't. I don't buy myself that often.
Like if it's if it's really my fault, I'll be like,
all right, that's on me, Like I fucked up because
you know, like I don't have a problem with accountability.
But sometimes a person is just hard to interview, like
they're just not giving you the energy that you need.
They really don't want to be there. They would they

(41:17):
like could have just said like, hey, like I'm not
really feeling it today. But I feel like we don't
sometimes as media give enough grace to athletes in that,
like they just really may not feel like talking today.
And we always feel like talking because that's what we do,
that's why we're in this space. But sometimes they don't

(41:39):
feel like talking and so they're just gonna give you
a shit interview and it's really not their their fault,
and you might see them on another platform like wow,
they're really good, Like was it me? And it's like no,
they just it was kind of like maybe both of you,
like they didn't want to talk today. That's why I
love interviewing professional.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Wrestlers because they just are about it.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
They're on, they live their life on. They're built different,
like they just are always in character. Like look at
John Cena, what is that is that dude to human?
Like where does he get the energy? Where does someone
like the Rock get the energy to do that all
the time? Like it's unimaginable to me. I have to
take a nap after talking for twenty minutes. I can't

(42:20):
even imagine just being like can you smow every day?

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Like that's crazy, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
But they're the best interview Are you different like off
camera than you are on camera? In terms of like
I hear that there are big personalities. Obviously you're one
of the premiere opinionists in the sports space, but those
people usually they have like different personas off camera. Do
you have different a different persona? Are you the same?

Speaker 1 (42:51):
No, I'm the same.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
I think everybody is a little bit different on camera
because you've got to turn it up a little bit.
Like if if I was talking to you the same
way that I would be talking to you if you
were in the room with me and we're just kicking it, like,
it wouldn't sound or feel good because it's just you're
not giving the same level of energy, Like once the
camera comes on, you gotta up. I wouldn't say the personality,

(43:12):
but just like your energy a little bit. So in
some cases, you might feel like somebody's different because you're like, oh,
like you were just yelling two seconds ago, like yeah,
but I'm talking to you about how much I enjoy
keelime pie not. You know, do I think that this
person is a Hall of Famer or not? Like maybe
it doesn't require the same level of intensity of the conversation.
But there are definitely people who have like whole personas

(43:36):
that is not me. I don't. I am very guilty
of like not being a really good liar, and I
I can't like fake energy very well, So playing a
whole character all the time would just absolutely crush my spirit.
I just don't know. I don't have it in me.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
That's a good segue. Was the last three months.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Like for you, It was one of the more interesting
three months of my life. I've had some pretty interesting
three month spells.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
I feel like your last twelve months have been interesting
three month spells before of them.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Yeah, that's a good that's actually a really good way
of putting it. Yeah, like i I've I've it's been new.
You know, like sometimes in life you think like you're like, okay,
I got it now, like I've got the I've got
the war chests to do whatever, Like whatever happens, now,

(44:41):
I know how to handle it. Like now you don't,
Now you don't. Yeah, it's been it's been tough. I
am very lucky. I have a really great sport system.
I have great friends who you know, have consistently reached
out and you know, reminded me of of who I
I am and what I've done. But you know, it's

(45:02):
never fun to be the center of conversation, in my opinion,
I think good or bad, because it's just it's just
a lot of feedback, and it's a lot of feedback
from people who don't know you, who don't know what
the fuck they're talking about. Who are you know, kind

(45:22):
of rapidly searching for a place to stand on the story.
And I get it, like drama is drama and that's
that's interesting people. But yeah, I mean I feel like
I've navigated it as best as best as I could,
and here we are. So what doesn't kill you makes

(45:46):
you crazy?

Speaker 2 (45:47):
When you said that, like you're a bad liar. That's
what made me think of how do you go and
show up? Because it hadn't ended, but it was swirling,
and every day you had to come in and be
like like so and so is a Hall of Famer
or so and so's not. You kind of had to
put on a different face. And I'm a bad liar too,

(46:08):
Like I can't hold my emotions in either way. How
did you?

Speaker 3 (46:13):
How did you do it?

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Well?

Speaker 4 (46:15):
Medication helps always always, you know, it's a good cocktail. Uh,
we'll get you through that. But I also think, like,
when you're in this business, you have to learn how
to compartmentalize, so you know, you're just that's just what

(46:37):
it is. And it's not like like everybody has bad
days and has to go to work, right, but like
everyone doesn't have bad days, has to go to work
and then has to look smile, stands, think, be entertaining.
And you know, I always say we're not digging ditches here,
Like I'm very hyper aware of the privilege of my

(47:03):
career that I worked very hard for obviously, but like that,
you know, this is this is not this is there's
different variations of hard work. So I say all that
with the understanding that there are people working jobs that
are requiring a whole lot more than them from them,
and they're having a compartment allies too.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
But the.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
You know, being able to shut off your emotions, being
able to compartmentalize in a very like real like gear
shift kind of way, is a skill that's very useful
inness business that I've developed at a very young age
for unfortunate reasons, but it's it's helped out a lot
throughout my career. I mean, obviously this isn't the first

(47:47):
thing that I've I've gone through personally while having to
you know, continue to do the show and show up.
But yeah, I mean it's it's not about like lying
per se. It's just about like pushing everything till later,
you know. And I don't know that that's like healthy,

(48:08):
but it is something that everybody has to do. Like
everybody has shit going on and then they have to
do life. So it's funny, Like my mom, anytime I
would be like upset or something, my mom watches every
single show She's watched every show that I've ever done.
She records all of them, and if she can't watch

(48:29):
it live, then she'll rewatch it. And she would always know,
Like if I was upset and I would think, like
I'm hiding in and this is like throughout the years,
like it would be like something going on with my
man or something, and she'd be like, what's wrong, And
I'm like, what's how do you know what happens? And
she's like, no, like you just I can tell you
look upset like you you know. So it's just it's

(48:51):
just something that you have to do in the business
if you're going to be front facing, like you're just
gonna have days that are that are tough. And yeah,
I recommend a I recommend a good cocktail if that's
what your doctor thinks will help. And and and you know,
obviously like I'm in I've been in therapy for many years.

(49:13):
I'm a big advocate of that and taking care of
your mental health. And I'm also just a big like
I'm gonna shut it down, like I'm gonna I'm I'm like,
I'll come home. I don't have kids or pets, so
I'll come home and like sit in the dark like
a fucking vampire with like no sounds for hours. Wow,

(49:35):
that's what works for me. But I think like when
you're over like when you're over stimulated and you've got
a lot of shit going on, when you're hearing a
lot of noise, when you know you feel attacked with
really like no recourse, sometimes the best thing to do
is just unplug, because you're you're you're it's more about
winning the war than winning a battle. And I think

(49:57):
in any of these situations, but that when anyone is
dealing with something like this, like it's very easy to
want a default to crashing out, and it may feel
like that will make you feel better, but most of
the time that's just gonna make it worse.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah, And we've seen that happen over the years with
other media personalities, other people that are athletes as well.
I think it's cood.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
I listen, not to interrupt you, but like the I
understand Brittany, Like it's just like if I come in
with the buzz cut, nobody ask any questions.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
I think, as though it's crazy that and and somewhat
of a testament that's good.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
But somewhat like obviously not good. You're so popping. There's
some shit that has nothing to do with you.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Your name gets brought in just so that we can
all want to know what it's about. That's that's a
level of like juice that I personally don't want.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
But that's a lot of juice.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
Yeah, well let's you know, let's let's squeeze it, you know,
and put it in some mimosas and sell it. I
guess if that's what you know, life gives you lemons,
let's make mimosas out of it. I feel you, and
I feel you on not wanting it, but like that's
that's sort of the exchange, right Like I I told
I talked about this on Season one of Too Personal,

(51:28):
that I would take anonymity over like fame, Like fame
is not what and the thing the weird thing about
fame is you can't you can disappear, right like you
can fade, but you can't really like give it back,

(51:48):
and you can't explain it. You have to experience it,
right like and there's not everything isn't necessarily like that.
Like we all have had the ability to buy things,
so we know what it feels like to buy something
that you want, even if it's something small and we
don't know how to feel it feels by a yacht.

(52:08):
But like we've wanted something, we've had money bought it,
So you know the experience of having money and buying
something right, For the most part, all of us have
had that experience. But everyone has an experienced fame. And
you see all the time that, like you'll have someone
who's like uber uber uber rich and they're also trying
to be famous, and it's like you already won. Like
to say, stay in your lane, like you don't want this,

(52:31):
you don't need it, Like you don't need it. My
skill set requires that people know me, so therefore this
is what it is. And I'm grateful for what that
has brought me. That's positive, but there is negative with everything.
So yeah, I mean being poppin' u is a great
thing when things are going great. When things are not

(52:52):
going great, it's it's tough. But that is the that's
the exchange. And I don't even want to say it's
like the world be living. I think it's kind of
always been that way. I think we we sort of
get hyperbolic because of social media, but like you know,
old Horleywood Starlets had it tough, you know, like there

(53:14):
were famous people that have been through bad times throughout
the history of being famous. You know, it's it's not
a new thing. Like when people know you and they
see you, sometimes there's there's a negativity. There's like, you know,
there's the evil eye of it all, and there's a
positive to it because you need fans, you need people

(53:37):
to watch, you need people to consume, and then there's
people that are gonna hate you, and that's just the
way it goes.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
You think the fact that you lead with opinion makes
the vitriol more intense.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
Yeah, yeah, but that's yeah, of course, of course, of course,
but that I would never trade, like that's that's not
I would take all of that.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
When did you realize I can't be just a mouthpiece?
I got a like, was that based around you being
in a family of like athletes. Is that you kind
of shooting this shit and having opinions to the begin
Like was that the radio background? Because I think for
us women, that's kind of what we're sold is our place.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
Yeah, I mean I I grew up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
and my grandmother and my two aunts lived together and
we like Golden Girls style. And they were rabid Steelers fans,
sports fans in general, but particularly Steelers fans, and I

(54:47):
spent a lot of time with them. My mom is
a Cowboys fan, and inexplicably don't ask. And it just
I just grew up in an environment in a city
where it was very common for women to have opinions
about sports. Like it wasn't it was actually kind of
weird if you didn't care about the Steelers, if you

(55:08):
didn't know things about sports, if you didn't have an
opinion about what was going on. It didn't necessarily mean
that your life, you know, revolved around sports, but you
knew about sports and you had an opinion. And they
were very, very opinionated. They watched every game, they knew
every coach. So when I got into the business, it
wasn't like strange to me that I would have an

(55:30):
opinion about things. And I always knew I didn't want
to be a reporter. And when I started in the
business was two thousand and seven, it was not you know,
radio and networks were like the only platforms for opinion,
and I knew I didn't want to be like an analyst.
I didn't want to be a sideline reporter and I

(55:52):
didn't want to be like a sports center anchor, which
were the premier jobs in sports and particularly for women
at the time. So I was like, well, if I
want to be able to talk, I've got to go
into radio. And so that's why I started on the
radio side at that time in the business, and I'm

(56:12):
glad I did because radio, outside of just being a
platform that I really love, sports talk radio was the
best training for live opinion television, in my opinion, that
you can do, because the live element of it, as
we talked about earlier, is so important, being able to

(56:33):
just like continuously make mouth sounds for hours at a
time and be interesting and have thoughts. And when you're
doing local, there's no room for error because you're talking
about people who have loved these teams for generations, so
they know everything. It's much more the stakes are almost
higher than a network national because national you're playing the hits,

(56:57):
so you're kind of just like touching on these teams.
You're not going deep. Local you have to go deep.
So it was great training for me. I am really
glad I came up on that side, But to me,
it just made perfect sense because I always wanted to
talk and being a local sports anchor doing reporting or anchoring,

(57:19):
like you would get to cover sports, but you weren't
going to give your opinion about sports.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
You know, you talked about fame and you talked about
you know, it's part and this is all part of
what comes with it. But is there does being a
woman in sports make that more difficult?

Speaker 4 (57:32):
Yeah? Of course, yeah. I mean, look, the business has
changed a lot over the past what it's been almost
twenty years now eighteen years, It changed a lot. I
mean it's a completely different landscape. Even us you know,
being able to do this show just shows how much

(57:53):
the landscape has changed. So there's been massive amounts of progress.
But the world is still a patriarchy, Like there's still
you know, they're still fighting every day to walk us
back in history, and there's a vitriol towards women in

(58:15):
general that is palatable. It's a like, I just I
don't know. I've always thought like weird people are like
very fascinating to me. And I'm not talking about like
the good weird. I'm talking about like the ones who
are like mad that WNBA players want more money, like
that's so baffling. Why are you so weird? Like you're

(58:39):
so weird. You definitely keep your toenail clippings, Like you
have to.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Listen. Any guy that's in the comment section of people's
posts saying that like Caitlin Clark should find a new job,
or that Angel reathes like belongs to McDonald's, you're like,
what do you need, Like, what do you need in
your life to be happy? Because this isn't it.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
They're not getting paid, they're not getting aid.

Speaker 4 (59:07):
That's what it is. That's what it is. Not touching
human women. I know this because as a woman who
embarrassingly enough likes men, I.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
I'm sorry for that.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Yeah, it's a curse. But like those men that touch
women don't talk like that, they don't do that, they
don't do that.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
It would never be in the comment section.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Unimaginable, unimaginable, they just don't be there.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
Who actually has sex has time to be in the
comment section talking about w NBA players need to be
happy that they make any money at all, Like writing
that sentence pressing sense and then people on the internet
can see that in the comment section, like you might

(01:00:01):
as well just change your user name to I never
get laid because it is crazy to me. So, like
back to your original question, yes, like the animosity towards
women in general, just in society is bizarro to me.
That being said, when you are a woman in a
male dominated space, it is going to be more, it's

(01:00:25):
going to be different, it's going to be hyper sexualized,
it's going to be violent, and all of those things
that the men are just not getting. Not saying they
don't get hate, but they don't they get different. They
get the same pat that we get, plus we get
this version. Then if you add to it, you know,
the opinion space just has a very high level of

(01:00:47):
vitriol because you're giving your opinion and people are like
almost encouraged to argue about it, which you know, a
healthy argument. I'm all, that's why I do That's why
I do this. Like I enjoy going back and forth
about should that doesn't meaning it doesn't matter, like okay,
this is he who's ranked, It doesn't matter, like it
literally you're all nothing matters, like this is just a

(01:01:11):
way to fill our day and we find it entertaining.
It literally doesn't matter. But those kind of conversations are
what I enjoy. But they always end up spiraling to like,
why aren't you summer sucking a dick right now? Which
is like, I don't know, why aren't you somewhere? He
was like, that's what you want to be doing right now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
It seems like someone's projecting.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
A little you know, like for the record, not the
worst experience in the world, but like, I'm not thinking
about that right now.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
You are, Yeah, like one of us brought it up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
It was it wasn't it was you. It was you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
It wasn't the person that allegedly does that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
So what's fascinating is that hyper sexualization that for me
is very difficult. I have a lot of struggles with
my own personal femineity based on and what I want
to show and project because of how sexualized we are

(01:02:07):
right and and how that's used to discredit us. And
something that I find to be just so awe inspiring
about you is that you just really do not give
a fuck, Like the thirst traps continue to be on point,
glowing baby like no matter what's and I really find

(01:02:29):
that to be honestly so refreshing. How like do you
navigate that in your own mind knowing that it's like
fodder for these mouth breathers that like want to continue
to say, go suck dick somewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
Well, first of all, like ILINAMR just said this recently,
and I think that she put it so perfectly, like
the third traps are for the girls. Mmm, they are,
They're they're for the girl. They're not for y'all girls.
What do you mean? I thought you think I posted
for men. They're not for you. They're literally for the girls.
And I love that she said that because I'm sure

(01:03:07):
she's getting a lot of that from all the you know,
like being in Sports Illustrated and you know, leaning into
her femininity. And I just love that she said that
because it yeah, it's thank you, thank you very much,
but it's it's it's for y'all. It's not. It's not
for them. They like think it's for them, but it's not.
And I won't even like necessarily call it a thirst chop,

(01:03:28):
but being in the early in my career, it was
like drilled into us as women, like do not be
hyper feminine, do not post anything that could be even
remotely considered to be sexual, Like if you post a
picture in a swimsuit, like make sure it's very like

(01:03:48):
limited and it's only like if you're on vacation, and
like it's like, okay, but I've seen all of my
male co nipples because they post whatever they want, Like
all right, why is my body being policed? You find

(01:04:13):
me desirable and you don't find the guys desirable, but
they're posting pictures in their underwear. Like So, I think
I reached a point in my career where I was like,
I look, I've got tits. They're not going anywhere, so
I can wear a dress that Like there's this thing

(01:04:35):
in the business where there's like only a certain amount
of like network appropriate television, that clothing that is made,
so you'll see the same dress on like a bunch
of different people that are on TV. Like I'll be like,
oh yeah, like I have that dress, like I have
that stop whatever, like because they designers have seasons, and
then everyone buys that because they like, you can wear

(01:04:56):
that on TV, Like this is not an appropriate this
is a club dress. This is a brunch dress, this
is a tea So I will have the TV dress,
six other girls will have the TV dress, and I
will look like I'm going to the club because my
boobs are up under my chin because that's the way
the dress is made. But the other one can wear
it and it's appropriate. And I just got to a
point where I was like, this is fucking insane, Like

(01:05:18):
this is this is my body. I don't care if
you find it sexual or not. It's not my problem.
That's your problem. You're welcome, by the way, and pop
off like I'm not If I want to post a
picture from this beautiful vacation, I'm on, then I'm gonna
post it. And that's that, Like, this is this is

(01:05:38):
my life, this is who I am. If you don't
like it, you can fuck off and die. And from
a from a a perspective of like it making you
less serious, it's not my problem that these men are ugly, Like,
it's not my problem. This is not my problem. I
have enough problems you guys, being ugly is not one

(01:05:58):
of them. I refuse to make that my burden as well.
You post a picture from vacation, no one cares. I
will say, like depending on where you work, obviously, like
and what we'll also say this what your job is matters,
Like I'm an opinionist. I'm not a hardcore journalist. I'm
not saving lives like I do think, Like I have

(01:06:19):
a lot of friends that work in news. They have
different rules than I have, and I respect that because like, yeah,
they're like getting up in front of the community and
letting people know, like there's some serious shit going on.
You need to respect what I'm saying. Listen to me.
And so I think your job, I think what your
job is matters, like I I rank you know, trades

(01:06:43):
for a living, like I don't. I give my opinion
about sports. I am And then while listen, a lot
of the men who are in the space that I'm
in do take it as a life or death job.
It is, in fact not.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
It is in fact not that believe it or not.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
And yeah, we are contributing very little to society other
than entertainment. And while I think that that's important for
escapism and for you know, community and things like that,
I'm not going to put what I do into this
super serious space like it's I know that we have
diminished everything to a fucking shit show, and we've got

(01:07:21):
a goober stick for a president and a crack head
for the secretary of health. But like everybody is not,
everything is. Some things are serious and it's just not
that serious. So I do think like, depending on what
your job is, you should respect that. You know, people
are morons, and you posting something may two said morons

(01:07:43):
discredit how serious you are. I do not feel that
that way. And I don't think that you should ever
diminish your femininity, your identity, your your ethnicity, like your culture.
Who you are to make other people feel comfortable. So

(01:08:04):
there's a balance there that isn't necessarily like men or women,
Like if you're a news anchor man, you probably shouldn't
be posting yourself like taking shots at three in the morning.
Like sure, maybe not, you know, like maybe you are
taking shots at three in the morning, but maybe that's
for you and not for social media.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
And like but if you're just a guy who does rankings,
why no, that's serious.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Yeah, And to your point about the evolution too, and
like how shit show it's gotten. So like this weekend,
for example, we had the stud Buds. Yeah, two mask
lesbian teammates, seventy two hour live stream and everyone jumps

(01:08:52):
on loves that. And that's juxtaposed with how the W
used to sort of closet their players. So on one
end that like devolvement of like, oh, you know, we
want everyone to be their authentic selves.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
That's great.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
But then I also look at like the the Pat
mcfeeism of like we want to just find more of that,
like let's lean into barstool more. I can't really wrap
my mind on around how both of those things are
happening simultaneously, except for that maybe they both feel authentic
to someone.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
Yeah, And I think that's I think that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
I've obviously spent a lot of time over the past
couple of years thinking about what's next, you know, and
I think for the business and just everything is like
a microcosm of something else, right, like society, and like
white men are like having their their last stand. It's

(01:09:48):
like custom's last stand, you know, like we exactly our
rights to be unseasoned. And it's like cool to be
like take that dry ass chicken and do what you
want to do with it. Like that's that's cool. There's
an audience for that. But stay over there then, like,

(01:10:11):
don't come over here and get your lowries because that's
not for you. And I think that's a lot that
also has a lot to do with how divisive conversations
around the WNBA are because I find myself all the time,
like what the fuck are you doing over here? Like
who how did you sneak past the bouncer? You're not
supposed to be in here, Like if you are in here,

(01:10:32):
you are a spectator. Mind your business, like, enjoy the
product and shut the fuck up. Nobody asked for all
this extra shit, Like it's there's not enough. There's not
enough in here to go around, and you're taking up
too much space. And I think, like, while there is
a huge audience for that kind of uh like flaky shit,

(01:11:02):
there's also spaces for new not even new, but just
like expression, and I think both things can exist, will
exist and are existing, and I don't think everything has
to be the same. Like, if you want to consume
that kind of content, that's for you, and there's a
lot of that. There's actually like most of it is that,

(01:11:23):
so you've got a lot of choices, you know what
I mean. But like, there also are these platforms where
you can have a stream like that be successful, be encouraged,
be supported, and like be consumed, and it doesn't have
to be smaller just because those other spaces exist. So

(01:11:45):
I think what will be interesting is to see how
much of the unseasoned continues to dominate, because you know,
like the lack of flavor to me is you know,
it's not for my pallette, but like it's for a
lot of people's pallets, and I don't I don't know

(01:12:07):
that it matters anymore. Like there's so there's so much content,
there's so many platforms, and when it comes like the
money going around, the money will go where the audience
is Like that's just that's just a fact. So you
can put out as much of whatever you think works
as you want to. If you're a network or you're

(01:12:28):
a platform, the audience will tell you if this is
something that they want or not. And because we aren't
in a space anymore where it's like network's controlling everything
that people watch because of all the other platforms and spaces,
it's it's really changed the business. So I don't really

(01:12:48):
like fear it as much, you know, because it's just like, Okay,
that's not for me, Like I can be over here
and I don't need to be like muted or different,
Like you can have that stream and it's and it exists,
So I'm not really that worried about it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
You mentioned the CBA, and we'll just kind of touch
on Obviously I can kind of tell what your opinion
is on it. But we were in Indianapolis and sitting
right behind the w NBA PA. They gave us the
signs that said pay the players saw the T shirts
and I actually gasped. I said, oh my gosh, Like

(01:13:30):
I was just kind of astounded by the like, hey,
we're going to do this, but also so impressed. And
now you have all these people talking online like they're economists,
you know, and they don't have any information at all,
Like why do you think people are stumping for owners

(01:13:52):
and not like talent and the people who are getting
paid the lease. It's sort of odd to me, you know,
I do know.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
Well, yeah, I mean anytime that you'll see that occasionally
in men's sports, where like it really only changes to that,
like when the consumer is impacted, right, like when the
product's not on television, when a certain player isn't available,
like when a guy holds out or something, and like

(01:14:21):
he's not in camp or he's missing games, like then
they'll start to be like, hey, like you may cut
off money you get on the field, you know, But
in general there isn't so much or after they get
paid and they're not performing right. But for the most part,
there's not really this attitude towards people making money when

(01:14:41):
it comes to women's sports in general, because I would
always get into this with US women's national team when
all that those negotiations were going on.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
There is this.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
Very intense I don't even know how to explain it.
It's like it like I can like see it like
rising in people men when the idea that a woman
athlete would have the audacity to ask for more money.

(01:15:17):
And I've always been like, why do you care? Like
think about why you care so much about this? Are
you paying them? Are you paying them? This is not
changing your life at all. You are not going to

(01:15:40):
make any less money. If the WNBA players negotiate a
new CDA, your life changes zero percent. If you are
an owner, then of course you should have an opinion
about that because you're the one writing the goddamn checks.
But Bill from Idaho, you have nothing to do with this.

(01:16:01):
You don't, You don't have anything to do with this.
It's nothing to do with you. Why do you give
a fuck about players asking for more money? Like also,
it's very American for employees to negotiate against their employer
for a bigger part of the pie. It's kind of
like how we built this country right now, that would

(01:16:24):
I assume anyone could fucking read. But it is so
weird to me, Like the reaction is always insane.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Well, will.

Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
Whoa, shut the fuck up, Shut the fuck up, Shut
the fuck up. You don't know what you're talking about.
You're historically inaccurate. You have no idea how this fucking works.
Do you think maybe hmm, let me think. Is it
more beneficial to report losses on a business than it

(01:16:55):
is to report that you made money. It's better to
say that you lost money. You would only know that
if you had a fucking business, which you don't. Shut
the fuck up. You don't know anything about how this works.
It's not changing your life. It is so fucking weird
to me. And it's like the audacity that these women
would would take advantage of this moment where things are

(01:17:20):
ascending to negotiate for a bigger piece of the pie,
for a product that is growing. Oh, they lost money
last year, do me a favor. Don't bite off more
than you can chew. You don't know what the fuck
you're talking about, Well, it's always lost money.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
You know what, if I was a billionaire, you know what,
I would probably not do buy a team in a
league that is failing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
That's the part that gets me every time. That's the
part that gets me every time is their excuse is, oh,
women's sports is failing. Well, then why is everyone buying teams?

Speaker 4 (01:17:58):
Well, everyone's buying team because billionaires are smarter than these
dumbos in the Instagram comments, like.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
You mean that Craig and his basement, who doesn't own
a team is not the most business snavvy person.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
Craig is a fucking moron and needs to shut the
fuck up. Like it's just as simple as that, Like,
there's no nice way to say this, because the reality
of it is you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
You.

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
You don't need to have like a degree in economics
to understand that a sports is a massively growing entity
as a whole. There are two things that we watch
live as human beings. On television, okay, left, right, not
talking about streaming Ig lives on television, we watch sports,

(01:18:43):
and we watch news or catastrophes or politics. Right, That's
it's the only things that we watch live. Everything else
is streamed recorded on our own time. Right, we do
not need to be in front of our television unless
it's like a finale of some big show, in which
case you still can watch it afterwards. Like it is
sports and it is politics or news. Right, that's it.

(01:19:07):
We're not going backwards.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
That will.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
That's not gonna change. So that makes sports a premiere
thing for advertisers, which is why all of the television
rights are continuing to go up for all of the

(01:19:28):
leagues because that's the only thing that we watch live.
So if you're an advertiser and you want to play
your commercial and you would like to reach twenty million people,
then you buy a slot during the NBA Finals. So
what does that mean. That means that while this trend

(01:19:49):
is happening, along with people wanting to attend events live
things which sports are, the products become more valuable if
you can put it on television, which the WNBA obviously is,
then it is going to be a product that is ascending. That,
paired with everything that is happening with Caitlin Clark and

(01:20:11):
Angel Reese and the influx of eyeballs to women's sports
in general coming off of the Olympics, all these other factors.
It is absolutely a growing entity. It's not a growing
entity because I'm so I'm raging feminists and go girls.
It's because I have a fucking brain and I work
in this business, and I happen to know billionaires, and

(01:20:36):
that's when the fuck they're putting their money. It is
one of the best things that you can wear. One
of the best things that you can do with your
money if you have that kind of money is put
it into a sports team. That's why they're all being sold.
That's why the Lakers just sold. That's why the Celtics
just sold to these major uber billionaires with all this
tech money, because that's where they're putting it. It's too

(01:20:58):
expensive to run teams. It's it's too expensive to have
these facilities for these mom and pop owners to have
it anymore. So all that rants being said, Shut the
fuck up. You don't know anything about this. The WNBA
players are absolutely within their rights to negotiate for more money.
Fucking idiots.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
They're only getting paid nine percent of revenues. If I'm them,
I'm not. I'm fucking gonna wait until I.

Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
Mean the the strategy for how to get it done
is a whole different conversation. Obviously, anytime that you have
these kind of negotiations, they're gonna get ugly. You obviously
have to put pressure on one side or the other.
This person's the villain, that person's the villain. You're gonna
have to hold the line, all those things, like, it's
not going to be a simple process. But the idea

(01:21:44):
that they shouldn't be negotiating on their own behalf Like, Okay,
I don't, I don't know I'm supposed to do with that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Yeah, second half of the season we're now on the
back end. Has Page lived up to what everyone has
thought that she was going to be And do you
think maybe she's even had a better season than Caitlin
did her rookie year.

Speaker 4 (01:22:12):
Well, you know, I'd like to be able to go outside,
so God forbid that I say anything about Kaylen Clark. Yeah.
Page has been unbelievable. Like she's she's what we were expecting.
She's been incredible. I'm I'm so glad that it's worked

(01:22:36):
out the way that it has because my expectations for
her were obviously very high. And it also kind of
makes me feel like I really wish the w would
change the college rules.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
Yeah, because like I feel like we should have.

Speaker 4 (01:22:52):
Should have got her sooner. I mean, obviously, I know
she's you know, dealt with a lot of injuries in
her college career as well, but yeah, she's been mendus.
I don't know that like comparing like we can we
can do that at the end of the season of
who had the better year. But but yeah, I'm so
excited to see how her her career develops. She's incredible.

(01:23:14):
She was the star.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
Her and Asy were the stars of the weekend and
it was crazy because Asy had a party Flage performed
and that was where it was more poppin'. So almost
like I.

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
I can't wait to get her in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Yeah, And to your point, I wonder, like how much
of that's baking into the college game too, Right, Like,
on one end, yes, I want to see page earlier,
But on the other end, we get all this time
with Paige in the college game where there's like so
much pent up demand by the time she gets there.

Speaker 4 (01:23:51):
Well, it's like it's this, it's you know, I was
just talking to Gilbert Arenas about this yesterday. She well,
just like how the dynamic of the league would change
if they change the rules for the college players, because
in some ways I don't love it for the NBA

(01:24:13):
because obviously it's killed the men's college game, but they're
so young coming into the that they really can't contribute
until like you're maybe two but really like three. And
part of me is like, Okay, I always like a

(01:24:34):
player developing in a pro system over college because you're
practicing against pro players, you're getting pro level coaching, you're
getting pro level nutrition and training and rehab. Like, so
I just believe that being in those systems is more
beneficial than being in college, like it's just another level,
but for women's, for the women's game, and just I

(01:24:57):
think like just the way that grassroots basketball has change
so much with our consumption of the players at such
a young age, like we know about them when they're
in like middle school. I do think it would benefit
the w NBA, but like you're missing out on that
on those nil dollars, And part of it, like is

(01:25:17):
the college like the the tournament and the stories and like,
I mean that's where that's where Caitlin and Angel became stars,
you know. So I don't know, I'm I'm torn on
it because I do I do want to see them sooner.
But I just feel like change the rule so that
we can everybody's still not gonna leave, but if they're,

(01:25:40):
you know, for the players that it makes sense for
them to go pro, maybe that's that's how it goes,
so that everyone isn't necessarily coming out after one year,
but we can get the players that need to be
in the league, like we need Juju, We need Juju.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Juju was voted the the what was second second runner
up in the Face of the League? Yes, that anonymous
poll that they they said that Juju. I think like
the second most amount of players said that Juju is
going to be the face of the league in five
years over page uh.

Speaker 4 (01:26:13):
I mean I the face of the league conversation is
always interesting to me because like right now, Caitlin is
the face of the league, right, that doesn't necessarily mean
that you're the best player. So and oftentimes fans like
conflate the two because we have this conversation about the
NBA all the time and people get like, I said

(01:26:35):
that Shay Gilders Alexander wasn't the face of the NBA,
and people are like, it's brain damage, Like what Dick Joy, Yeah, like,
oh give a prediculting your mouth, Shay is not He's not.
It doesn't mean that he's not the best player right now.
He just won League MVP and Finals MVP and went
on the one of the best like regular season two

(01:26:56):
postseason runs that we've maybe ever seen. He's an unbelievable player.
That doesn't mean he's the face of the league. It's
two different things. And the face of the league conversation
is very metaphorical, like it's not necessarily quantifiable, but we
all know what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
You know it when you see it. Yeah right, well,
I mean to me, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:27:18):
Like it's crossover outside of fandom, right, People who don't
necessarily follow the sport know about this player, associate this
player with the league, those type of things. So I
think that Juju has such a big imprint, and also

(01:27:38):
obviously being in LA having access to everything that you know,
the entertainment business offers out here, she has built an
incredible profile already, and obviously she's an unbelievable player. So
the being like having that like star sprinkle haired with

(01:28:00):
the machine behind you, it'll be interesting to see because
I think Page has that as well. But you also
have to win. And that's where like that's where like
Caitlin Is is the aullier, Like she hasn't she hasn't
won yet, but she came in with this incredible like
wave that she's just taken that moniker, which is fine,

(01:28:24):
like great, someone should be the face of the league.
And she's an incredible face of the league. She's an
unbelievable player and she is about to have an incredible career.
Usually it doesn't come until you win, but like someone
like a Lebron like he came in and immediately was
like the center of attention and he he hadn't won yet.

(01:28:44):
So it really just depends on the scenario and where
the league is at. But I could see Juju being
that for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
What narrative do you think we should put to bed?
It's like it's dead now it's a rap.

Speaker 4 (01:28:59):
I I don't know, you know, I'm really like torn
on the referee thing. Where have we landed on that?

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
I think they're not very good?

Speaker 4 (01:29:07):
Joy, Yeah, they're good.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
But do you think they're because is it that they're
not good because a lot of people think that they're
not good, but that like they're also corrupt I you know,
like that's like a lot of people are like there
they ring things like the league is do they just suck?

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
Like do they just suck?

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
I saw, I saw that. Kathy talked about it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:29:35):
I guess like my perspective on the refs is like
everything could always be better, right, but the product is
different than the NBA, And like when earlier and I
mean I guess it started definitely started last year, but
like earlier in the season, the whole like you know,

(01:29:56):
everyone's attacking Caitlin thing that carried out from last year,
and like the WNBA is a very physical game, and
part of me, I just don't want it to lose
that because I missed that in the NBA, Like I'm
I feel like this playoffs, even though we didn't necessarily

(01:30:17):
see all of the the marquee teams and players that
were that we expected to see late into the season, man,
it was like so it was such like good basketball
to watch. It was physical, the refs were like letting
them play, you know, and like I feel like the
WNBA just has that and I don't necessarily want them

(01:30:38):
to lose that selfishly because that like those rivalries and
that intensity and like the hard fouls and all that,
like that really creates a whole other energy that I
personally feel like the NBA is missing, and I kind
of feel like they get better.

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
Rests that's gonna go, you know what, I think you're right,
Like if we have a foul batter, if we have
a Shade Yilles Alexander going to the line fifteen times
a game and it's just boop boop.

Speaker 4 (01:31:06):
I don't I don't not listen, Like I'm not saying
that like Shaye's I don't even actually care that Shade
gets those calls like he's. If you're gonna play aggressive,
which I think Shaye does, you should get those calls.
But I don't want. I just don't want to lose
the physicality that the WNBA has like that, That to
me is a loss that the NBA I don't think

(01:31:29):
is going to get back unless they carry over the
style of play that they allowed in this year's postseason.
So I get that, Like, you know, I understand what
Angel's saying. You know, you shouldn't be pulling someone's hair,
you know, but like you know, maybe ever an in
a while, just like a little a little intensity. I'm
here for it, But I do. I do think that

(01:31:50):
things need to change a bit, So I guess, like
that's probably not a good answer. You have to put
it to bed, and I don't think I did.

Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
But do you think clout matters in the W.

Speaker 4 (01:32:02):
Yeah? I mean these are entertainment products, so at the
end of the day, I think cloud matters in any
professional space. I mean I would even say in college too,
Like you mean as far as like, are the best
players going to get the calls, not.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
Just calls, but get drafted like higher?

Speaker 4 (01:32:21):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, yes, absolutely,
I think that that is unless you are so good
that you transcend all of that, which you know sometimes
you see, I think it matters like you want to
be able to sell jerseys, you want to be able
to get season ticket holders, you want to be able
to market your team within your city. You want people

(01:32:45):
to come out, you want people to watch your games
on television, Like, you want to put out a good
product that people are interested in. And while we all
like to believe that everyone is just trying to win,
everybody is not going to win. Only one team is
gonna win. So you're not always necessarily in a position
to win. But you should always be marketable. You should

(01:33:09):
always be baseline interesting or trying, and sometimes like a
team is in a rebuild or sometimes a team is
just kind of like stuck in the middle. So yeah,
I mean cloud Cloud is important because it's it's an
entertainment product. Like we like to pretend like it's all
just like pure, but it's not. It's a business, and

(01:33:30):
all those other factors are important.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
You speak of the business. You talked about having a
conversation with no Chill Gill. Is that is that? Like
the next thing? Was that just like a phone call?
Is that on the show? Like? Where are we gonna
see joy next?

Speaker 4 (01:33:47):
No Chill Gill will be on Too Personal in two weeks, Yeah,
two weeks from now. He has some some thoughts for
the w NBA that that you might find an inter sing.
We talked about that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
Lower the rim, give them booty shorts, make them jiggle
in your face.

Speaker 4 (01:34:10):
About that? Somebody asked me about that recently. Who asked
me about that? Ah, damn, I can't remember who asked
me about that. Somebody asked me about the shorts and
I was like, yeah, I'm with it, Like get the
I think the NBA players should play in their underwear.

(01:34:31):
Why not?

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
Let's do it to everybody?

Speaker 4 (01:34:35):
Why were we do? I think it's much more effective
for the men to play in their underwear. Hello, we're
We're gonna shut these conversations all the way down. I am,
I am, I'm an equal opportunitists. Okay, let's get some
butt cheeks out here, all right? No, I don't, I can't. Uh,

(01:34:57):
I'll have a lot of announcements coming up. I there,
there there is motion, you know, as far as like
everything that happened like that. That's the business, you know,
and nothing is forever. It's all these cliches, but that
just like is what that?

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
That is what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:35:18):
I will I'm sure I'll have a lot more to
say as the years go on. But I'm you know,
grateful to have had nine years on a network and
I think do great work with great talent and great
staffs and great producers. And the next chapter will be

(01:35:41):
equally as exciting. When when I have news, I will
let everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
Know and you'll and when those years come and you
want a dish, we're letting them fly. We're letting them sure.

Speaker 4 (01:35:56):
Well at the top thing, Joy Taylor just.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
A phenomenal talent, one of the more and so I
really am inspired by you. Like truthfully, I've been watching
you when I was working with Brandon at Voldestool. That's
when I feel like I like knew the U of
you and I was going through my own little struggle bus.
Actually we both have, you know now, our own little

(01:36:24):
connection to the volda Stool.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
So things things come around full circles.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
Things come around full circle. But I can't wait to
see what you do. I hope you continue to to
talk that shit and be somewhere where you're able to
talk even more shit and shut things down and be
your best, most bright, most unapologetic self.

Speaker 4 (01:36:47):
Thank you, Thank you very much. Yeah, I mean, I
I'm not uh, I'm not limiting myself, you know, Like
I said, I've worked with a bunch of different people
over the years, people I never thought that I would
end up partnering up with. And you know, platforms have
their reputations, but I guess so do I. So, so yeah,

(01:37:17):
you know I am I my surprise. People, what what
the next move is?

Speaker 3 (01:37:22):
So you're going to barstools?

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
Can we confirm right now?

Speaker 4 (01:37:25):
I'm not confirming that I'm going to Uh what are
you calling it? Voldastool? No, uh, Look when I went
to Fox, a lot of people were surprise. I mean
that was you have have to think about, like what
you know? Twenty sixteen eons ago, A lot has changed.
So I don't know. I mean, I'm I'm not teasing anything.

(01:37:48):
But well, we'll have it. We'll have announcements very soon.
That's all.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
I cannot wait. Yeah, watch the space watch the gram
subscribe did you she's she's a crushing In.

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
The meantime, those subscribers to Personal and Lin, we have
Matt Barnes on this week night. Ends will be I'm
going on a little vacation, well deserved, and then we're
back at it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
Back at it, So we will see y'all next time.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
Thanks for listening to Joy chopping up with us on
three Joy, we want to say letter shoot one two, three,
letter shoot.

Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
I'm a hot girl. I'm a hot girl. I get
anything I want.

Speaker 3 (01:38:31):
This is my world.

Speaker 4 (01:38:32):
I make big moves in.

Speaker 1 (01:38:33):
My big us.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
Since the day there I was born, I've been a
big deal

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