5x WNBA All Star Angel McCoughtry joins us to host this week on Let Her Shoot! She's giving us her take on all the biggest topics in women's basketball right now including Paige Bueckers' Rookie of the Year campaign & Caitlin Clark's status as THE golden goose. Plus an in depth discussion about the misunderstood parts of Angel Reese's game and persona on the court. You can take a girl out of Baltimore, but you can't take the Baltimore out of the girl.
Plus, she thinks Trysta was wrong about the WNBA All Star voting, too.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do I hear the big Is that what that is?
Was that a squeak of a shoe angel?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Or was that your fire, the smoke detector battery? Not
I please, please, please don't tell me that's what that was.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Hold on, hold on, it couldn't have been that.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Okay, there it is.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I heard it.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
I'm a hot girl.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I get anything I want.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
This is my world.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I make big moves in my big hues.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Since I tell you that I was born, I've been
a big deal.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Welcome to let her Shoot. The only podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It covers women's sports the way we want them covered. AKA,
we talk about the game. We make it funny, no
kid gloves. We're not trying to say that this women's
sports is a baby bird egg.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Just respect for the athletes, respect for the fins, respect
for the sports.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
And we've got all the reasons to stay locked in.
We talked about the tea, we talk about the draw.
We also break down the game. We got Sarah Chobner,
two time Emmy Award winning producer. We got Trista Quick,
zero time Emmy Award winning talent, but every day award
winning shit talker.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So much we have to talk, but we have eclipsed.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
We're both eclips today because we've got a five time
WNBA All Star, former Rookie of the Year, former number
one pick, two time Olympic Gold Medalist, which far outweighs
Miamis because that actually required real work to earn. And
my fellow Marylander Angel mccawtree is here.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Let's go and not just Maryland, not just Maryland, Baltimore
and Maryland.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
You know what time it is.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
See more So, Trista, we got to put you on
with the crab cakes.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I love crabcake, baby, I love crabcake, but I've never
been to a crab chat.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yeah, we gotta get you on that. You got to
learn how to open a crab because you learn that
here when you're like three years old.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
They just give you the little Do you have to
have one of the little bibs on and the gloves?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Oh yeah, because if not, you get old bay in
any cuts you have and it stings and then it
ruins the experience. But no, you gotta you gotta go
for some real crabs, like on the side of the
road in a place that looks sketchy as fuck. Yes, really,
that's how you do it.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yes, that's where you go, that's how you do it.
That's the that's the next episode. We're gonna go get
getting some crabs in Baltimore today. Though today there's so
much shit going on in the W.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
There's so much.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
We got a right.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Wing conservative media entity, thirsty is fuck, trying to become
even more disgusting than they've already been. We're talking a
little Angel Reese and her triple double. We got Caitlin
Clark making her return back to the w after her
five game absence. She went crazy, and yes, you can
talk about Angel Reese and Kate Look without bringing up
(03:00):
the other one page buck she comes back from an injury,
she went crazy. Her Rookie of the Year chances have
now skyrocketed after just one game. And there's so much more,
especially considering that the Atlanta Dream are the third best
team in the WNBA.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Before we really get into our topics, though, I want
to get Angel's opinion on a controversial take that Trista
had last week. She pissed some fans off in our
comments because she said, which you know, it's you know,
part for the course sometimes, but she said that WNBA
All Star voting was was what was the word you
(03:40):
said that?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I said, if you are up there just on your phone,
just worried about the votes and you're just clicking away,
Like if you're that's like your main concern is to
vote for anything on your phone. You need to go
touch grass, Like you need to get a fucking light.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Give us wrong with wrong with.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
People being excited to vote and they're into the game.
What's wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Man?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I know we can't have it both ways, right, Like
we want people to be excited about the w but
not too excited or you're cringe and dirty, Like I
guess that is too cool. Sarah was like, hey, you
need to vote for Love Island, and I'm like, I'm
not downloading that app so that I can vote for
who gets kicked off the island. So people are very
mad at that one. Yeah, people were very mad because
(04:28):
they were using like these medium members emails and they
were taking the media members emails and then voting for
Kaitlin Clark for an All Star and people will be like.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Don't do that, that's impersonation. You'll go to jail.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
It's a little od our.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Point was is that the fans voting Kaitlin Clark into
the All Star was not going to be what determines
whether or not Kate as an All Star. You know.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
She's in.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Don't worry about it, Like you don't have to go
to impersonating other people in order to get her into
the All Star Game. But I think we do support
you know, normal fan interaction in terms of players.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
There's not a lot of normal fan interaction though right now.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
No, there's not. We got to talk about what happened
this weekend at the Mystics and Dream Game because OutKick
who for anyone not familiar with OutKick.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, I knew she wouldn't know it.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, because they're way too breitbarty for for like a
normal person.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I was about to say they're the Bright Bart of sports.
They are Clay Travis truth.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Social, They're like the truth Social of social media.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah, they're like hardcore right wing conservative. For example, I'll
give you like a couple headlines that they've recently written.
Britney Griner is privileged was probably one of my favorites.
Riley Game and Clay Travis react to the WNBA, which
is like the last people that I would care to
(06:05):
hear about talk about the WNBA in context. So A
little backstory was they a couple of weeks ago during
the Fever and Dream game on May tenth, Brittany Grinder
fouled out and when she goes to the bench, she
mouths something. It's very obvious to me what it seems like.
She mouths, we can we'll.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Play the clip trash.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Yeah, whirl out Kick is convinced that she says fucking
white girl. They then went on this whole tirade about
how it was directed towards Caitlin Clark and that Brittany Grinder's.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Racist and nice were talking like this for years.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, and we had to back it up too because remember,
I don't know if you saw this, Angel. I think
when there was a little back and forth between Angel
Reese and Caitlin Clark, she reposted something on TikTok that
was like white girl was duck in the smoke, which
I thought was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Personally, I don't like because she was docor whoa.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
She been like it? Back to the bench, guys, it's
basketball talk. We've been talking like this for years. People
never said to my teammates, yeah, the white girls over there,
and look at the white girls over there, and they
hear it, and they laugh and they say the black girls.
And you know when y'all black girls, it's not racist
to us. We talk like that.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
You know who gets racist towards the racists?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Anyone who starts chirping about like white racism, you immediately
just know where they fall in the political spectrum, you know,
like you immediately are like, I know what this is.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Well, Anne, I don't even think Brittany Grinder said it,
because I think she said fucking whack ass call like
whack call, or because she had gotten fouled, And I
don't think Caitlyn was a part of the play. So
an OutKick doesn't get credentialed for months, and they started
like hey and Silver won credentialists.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
So then they go.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Up to Britney Grinder four games later, Angel and check
this part out.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
By the way, Will Stacey pulls that up one of
my favorite quotes from this article that they wrote about
Brittany Grinder out kicked it. This is before they tried
to get by the way, this was in the time,
so they tried to get media credentials for like ten games.
Because this was more than four games ago. This was
May tenth. This was over a month ago, so they've
(08:30):
been trying to get games. They've written like ten articles
talking about how the WNBA is blackballing them and can't
figure out why. And you know, just like all they
you know, like the fake news media won't let us
cover this. So anyway, they go on in this article.
My some of my favorite snippets were Britney Grinder, who
(08:51):
Joe Biden acquired two years ago in the most lopsided trade.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Of all time.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
God, then they say, what else do you expect from
an America hating play? Honestly surprised this doesn't happen more
often in that insufferable place.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
So we figured out who the racists really are, like you.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Said, exactly. So keep in mind that the people calling
racism are writing stuff like writing racist.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah right, And if they want the clicks in the views,
you know everybody wants to click in the views. Now
off off the dumba if they want that, you know,
you don't got to use political to do it.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
So this was their quote unquote confrontation of Britney Griner
after the game against the Mystics the other night, and
how they decided to not talk about a single second
of the game that they played, but this game that
happened over a month ago.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
He said, you didn't remember what you said during that
viral moment after you fouled out against the Indiana Fever.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
A lot of people believe what you said was efing
white girl or efing white girls.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Is it possible that's what you said.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
No, I would never say that, like there's no place
for that in our league. Wouldn't say that you can't remember,
you know, Okay.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I wouldn't even have answered the question. I would have like, yeah,
I said it. And what if I said it, I
said it? What? What? What's next?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Angel? Why do people think that the term fucking white
girl is racial in any way? It's a descriptor.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I think it's just a heated a moment passion of basketball.
It's like, that doesn't mean you're racist, that doesn't mean
you're a person like it happens. I think people, especially
the media, everybody takes stuff so serious, especially on Instagram.
Everybody's so angry about you not thinking like them, or
you're not talking like them, or being in the box
(10:42):
with them. And if she said it, she said it,
I bet you she'd be having lunch with Caitlyn or whoever.
Next week, listen, we can go in the office and
disagree and argue and have lunch after. That's what real
successful people do.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
We talk about that all the time on this podcast,
like how women in sports are treated like as if
they're breakable, like as if these moments like we have
to get so heated about everything because everything has to
be controversy. And Tristan I were just talking about this
earlier today, like you were saying, like Sue Bird said
(11:16):
something about this and send we're not ready for it.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, have you heard of the NBA sentail where they
give you fake news?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, NBA sentail They like create fake news so that
people can like eat the garbage, you know, and so
they'll like create fake, fake stories or whatever. So WNBA
Sue Bird came on and said to Cameron Brink, like, Hey,
the WNBA will be in a better place if we
get to a spot where we can joke about the
(11:47):
league so much that we can have our own WNBA sentail.
But it doesn't feel like that. It feels like the
almost like everything has to be so serious. We can't
make fun of plays, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Well, on the women's side hasn't That hasn't been established yet, right,
because you're talking about women, right, who are emotional creatures
who just take things more personal than what probably men would. Right.
So if you make effake news about the guys, they
struggle off and like whatever, you say something about the
girls like, oh my god, do they really feel that way?
(12:23):
But it's just different with women. So I don't think
we're at that place just yet. It's just not there yet.
You know, women, we're just different, We're made different.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
So wait, you believe that the athletes in the league
would take things personal, the criticisms that they get, they
take more personal.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I think women take more criticism personal. Maybe the men
just in the biological makeup, you know, you know, not
saying that women can't handle it, but I think you know,
it affects them more. So are we at that place
depends on how it's structured. Like if you're talking about
like there's this guy he was on and he goes
smash past you know that guy, talk about it?
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yeah I saw him. Yeah, I saw something like this
the other day.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah, no, mind you we've never had that before in
our league. But all of a sudden, guys are okay.
I think it's good because now it's saying that we're attractive,
because nobody was talking about smashing the pass and this before.
But some people can say, like, that's freaking so rude,
and that's just disgusting and degrading the women. So it's
like this catch is twenty two.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
You know, Yeah, the attention is there. I want to
get to a point where I can roast and no
one is getting upset. I remember I was talking to
this Asian angel and she was.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Like, you know, you you may want to, like, if you're.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Starting women's media company, you might want to like tone
down some of the like things that you say. I
was like, no, about it, that's what everybody else does.
I don't know espnW.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I don't think we need to tone down. We got
to stop this tone down ourselves, toned down women. Let's
let's start roasting a little bit. Now. They got to get,
you know, to a place where doesn't affect them and
know that, like, yeah, we just had that level that
we're roasting. It is with this. You know, it's gonna
be new at first, but I think we need to
get there.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
But transitioning over from BGI to the Dream as a whole.
So the Dream eight and three this year playing the
New York Liberty today, well it's tomorrow, but it'll be
today when.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
This comes out.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Liberty have had the second easiest schedule in all of
the w just lost to the fever in Caitlin's return,
Ryan Howard's ball and Brittany Grinder's balling, Like, what what
does that say to you about like Atlanta and how
far the Dream have come? Because they were they were
dunk butter last year they were just straight cheeks.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I mean, it's been a long time coming, you know.
I think they have to get to that place where
they're winning again, get to a bigger arena. You know,
Atlanta is a city from playing here, So one that's
very excited about the Dream they are. They want them
to win. They want them to get back to where
we used to be, you know, when we were playing
in a Phillips Serena or state farm. It is now.
(15:04):
So I'm glad to see them that they moved the
ball very well. I got to watch someone they can't
play the sparks in La and I loved what I
saw and how they moved the ball, And I love
how Britney's playing, So it is just good to see
that it's time.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Forty threes shooting forty threes per one hundred possessions.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Threes, it's rated threes.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Let's transition over to Angel rees for a second. So
she had a triple double this this past weekend. Yeah,
second one of the season to Caitlin Clark, second fastest
or second youngest of all time to reach the triple double.
So it's kind of hard to like keep peddling these
narratives that Angel reefs shouldn't be in the league. She
(15:47):
decided to clap back at those trolls by making and
trademarking me Bounds, which I just love And I'd love
to get your both of your thoughts on how to
handle trolls and how to handle these people and is
that the way to do it?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Oh, I mean, I think it's delicious, to be honest,
I just I love Angels so much. Somebody said to
me like, hey, because I was like, you can like both.
And I love Angel's personality. I love her branding. I
love everything that she does and the podcast, the fashion
(16:26):
helping out with the met Gala. Like she's truthfully just
a different type of star than Caitlin marketable in a
bunch of different ways for really who she is.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Off the court.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So I love that she's spinning it, flipping it reversant,
about to make some money off of it, and it
just makes me like her more. It makes me feel like, Wow,
this is not bothering her nearly as much.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
And now I can joke around and I can say,
knee bounce.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Angel, did you ever have to deal with like these
types of trolls? And how would you have dealt with it?
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Oh, there's trolls everywhere that you're always gonna deal with trolls.
But I didn't have to deal with trolls on this level. Right,
she has triple the amount of trolls, double.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
The amount maybe anyone ever than anyone.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Ever, So like I can understand, maybe the pressure is
just different, like just dealing with trolls, you know, when
I was playing like it's it's obviously bothersome and it's annoying,
But on her level, my god, I can only imagine.
So hey, I would floss a little bit too.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Why not people really do act like Angel Reese's only
rebounding crazy from her own missus, but she's you take
out her missus and she's still ten and a half
rebounds per game when you watch her, What do you
think makes her so elite at that.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
She's from Baltimore. I swear to goodness, guys, if you
watch how us girls play from Baltimore, it's just we're different.
We like if you watch even my game, I played
like that. I would rebound and I'm a guard. I'm
just going after the ball. We're taught at a young
age and ball, like they taught us the ball is
like go go get your gold. You see I got
(18:05):
a Lott gold on right now. You know what I'm saying,
go get your gold. So like we have this like
then we did a camp together like two years ago,
I me and Angel and we was I was looking
at these kids and I'm like, oh my god, I said,
these kids are different. I was like, they have an
aggression and it's like we have a back talk, and
like it's similar. Like if you look at my old footage,
not too it ain't that long ago, but you see
(18:28):
that I had an attitude just like Angel, Like I
played with that saying. So I actually see a lot
of her qualities, Like she's obviously in a different position
she's more of a post player and I'm a guard.
But I'm like, and I did my research, I'm like,
it's where we're from. It's our environment, and it's a
good thing. It's not a bad thing because because Baltimore
has a negative connotation like the wire and all that. No,
we produce some ballers, okay, and that that is just
(18:50):
that grit, that that Baltimore grit.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I swear to goodness, you know that's that's fascinating that
you said that you.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Guys have the same sort of edge, that same attitude,
because I think the part that's like so frustrating is
that angels play on the court and how she reacts
to getting you know, like.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
A hard foul on her, She'll kind of bow up.
And it feels like people are acting like she's like
she's hood or she's ghetto or x Y or Z.
And I know that people have sort of like misrepresented
you as well.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Do you think that's like just a commonality of how
being from Baltimore is.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
It's a mix of off. It's being a black woman,
it's being from Baltimore. It's playing with edge and great
because right women are not supposed to play We're not
supposed to play with that, right, men can, but we're
not supposed to. And even that happened to me our
owners when I was in Atlanta, they said, does she
act like that because she's from Baltimore. And I'm like,
I said, I'm sitting here at grinding getting thirty for
y'all winning.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
So they didn't even get it. You know what I'm saying.
But guess what, off the court, we know how to
handle ourselves. We can go in our business meetings and
get all endorsements and be marketable. So that goes to
show you that we know how to handle ourselves. If
if she has the most endorsements, probably out of anybody.
So being from Baltimore an't that bad. We know how
to conduct ourselves. It's a grit, it's a grind, and
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it's not actually this bad thing like this negative connotation.
Baltimore has its good size. So that is the part
of the good side of Baltimore is that we know
how to go and get what we want and win
and be winners Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
I think I read once that if Baltimore was or
Baltimore County was like its own country, that it would
be like seventh in the medal count at the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
What hell yeah, teach Trista. They don't this small little state.
I'm telling you.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
You got Lidecki, you got Phelps, you got Angel.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Kevin durant Is from the dm DMV Kevin Durant Angels Carmelo,
Carmelo for.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
A tiny little state.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
You know, we're people, Are you guys even a state though?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Like really.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Justin We're gonna get you for that.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Angel got her ponytail pulled by Kayla Fisher.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Bria Hartley, Harley Hartley, Yeah, Hartley, my bad.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
So she got her hair pulled by Bria Hartley and
then bowed up on her and then got into it
with Tina Charles.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Yeah, we have the video. Let's play the video.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Well, all right, we Angelica is already in her position
to get her rebounds. Boom, I'm going up. You do
not pull my hair while I'm going in the upward motion.
You could break my neck and then my issues with
Bria Hartley. Why are you guys involving yourself when she
pulled my hair, You're gonna get pushed too and knock
to the ground. Okay, you don't pull my hair. That's
just always a no.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
No.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
You're going back at her like she like she reacted incorrectly.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Well, this is the Baltimore thing.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
That's what they're saying, is like, oh, well, Angel's not
handling the assault with classy enough.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
We don't grab hair. We don't grab hair because if
it's anybody else, you're gonna react the same way too.
You don't pull my hair. Then you touched her first.
Both of them touched Angel first. So yeah, you've touched
my hair. Yeah, I'm bucking up. You almost broke my neck.
Why are you there? Don't touch me? Move Tina, Tina,
what's you about to do? You're forty, Tina? Come on, mane,
(22:12):
you're forty.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
You're forty.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
So when she sees Brial Harley the next time, the
next time they play the Connecticut son, is it going down?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
She's not gonna grab her hair anymore.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
She will make that mistaken Angel.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Angel will make sure that she knows.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yo.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
This is for last time.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
I saw these people saying on the internet too, like oh,
it's her fault for wearing your hair so long.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
It's like you can't look at anything without blaming this
girl for it.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Honestly, can we just say, like, can we we are
breaking our backs now to blame angelrries for everything that
goes right goes wrong. Like if something's good, it's me.
If something's bad, she her hair this loll Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
What's the scenario if if Caitlyn had a long ponytail
and somebody pulled hers what's the scenario.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Well, I feel like Caitlyn might throw a punch if
someone did that, and she.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Would be in her right. People would say yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
And they would say they would say she was in
her right. They gotta get off her back. I heard
because I said online. I was like, hey, you can
like Angel and you can like Caitlyn. You don't actually
have to bring the other one up when you bring
the other one up. And one was somebody on the
internet was like, except for one person is likable and
the other one is completely unlikable.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
And I said, I said, you're right. Caitlyn on the
court is a menace. She is a demon. She cusses
her own parents out in front of everyone, and her
teammates and her refs and her coaches. To me, it
feels very strange that the Angels just kind of like
(23:52):
reacting to things, and the way that she's reacting is
seen almost like djen a esque where they called the
security did see where the ref called security on dja
angel Oh?
Speaker 4 (24:02):
I did?
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I did see that, And I know that ref stop it.
You better stop. Y'all gotta stop because because they're painting,
they're painting this narrative to and we gotta unpaint these narratives.
These are all basketball players. They all have the same mannerisms,
they all have heart. All the mannerisms and basketball all
are the same. This is gonna be the same. Doesn't
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matter your color, your race, or your religion. That means
I'm shot in your face. This means I'm clapping, I'm excited,
like it's all the same mannerisms. How do you make
basketball mannerisms about race? Make it makes sense? Sometimes we
might even push the raf. I'm in the heat of
the moment. I'm not a bad person.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Hold on, hold up, wait, you be pushing a.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I ain't never pushed them, but I've gotten in their face.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
They don't even the best are the worst.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
They really are the worst. And when you watch other
leagues and other sports, even just the men that I
call it the m MBA or we call it the
m NBA. Even when you watch the m NBA, you're like, man,
these we I would pray for, and Scott Foster sucks,
but I would pray for a Scott Foster in the
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w NBA. Some of these women's refs. I don't know
if you feel this way, Angel, but they have a
long way to go.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
It's been like that for a while. I don't know
what it is. It's like because they go to rough school.
I don't understand what probably.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
The same disparity as it is with everything else.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I feel you money, Yeah, can we get them a
good rep school.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
They're going to the Phoenix University of re schools.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
They're going to DeVry.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Oh my god, guys, you guys.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Let's change course to that player that sparks all this.
Caitlin Clark made her return three you know, nine points
and thirty eight seconds scored.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I've never seen anything like that. Did you see that play? Angel?
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah? The only other person I've seen do that was
like Reggie Miller.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I was from over.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Thirty something feet and it was just back to it
was like Reggie Miller against the knicks with the choke Sah,
he's awesome.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I've never seen that. And of course she's an Indiana girl.
I don't know, is this something that Indiana food or drinks?
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Like they got nothing else to do there but those threes.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
She's proven why she's Kaitlin, and she gave New York
their first loss. So that shows you, like everything that
needs no right there?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Man, I know you said this on my Instagram and
I want I waited to ask.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
You about it. I called Caitlyn.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I call Caitlyn the the golden Goose because no one
moves the needle.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Quite like her.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
There's plenty of really skilled players, but you said on
my Instagram she's not vegal goose. There are many golden gooses.
I need you to yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
No, she is the golden Goose. But there are also
many other golden Gooses, because I feel like.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
There could only be one golden Goose.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Is that a rule?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Well, I just I don't know if it's a rule.
Does does anyone move the league like Caitlin?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
No, Okay, she's the golden goose.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
She's the golden goose.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
There's but there are stars, and there are superstars, and
they are contributing to the rising tide.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
But we got to step Koree out here in a
fever jersey.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
But we've had, like have we not had golden Gooses
in the WNBA before? I remember, like Cheryl swoops on
everything you know.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Is there only one golden goose per decade? Like and
there could only be one golden goose during the decade?
Like how does the rules work for golden goose?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I don't know. This is like very complicated. All I know.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Is everything this girl touches on on the floor. I
went to the sports bra and there was this woman
who was sixty five years old at the bar. She's
drinking like a little like a little vermouse and olive
or something. Oh wait, woman, and it's a it's it's
the Lynx versus the fever.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
And I know how you feel about the Lynx. And
it was that.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
It was that Caitlyn Clark game where Caitlyn Clark was
was hyping the crowd up in Minnesota and they were
cheering for her. They all came for her to Minnesota,
and your girl, Cheryl Reeve was like, oh yeah, we
don't care about Caitlyn.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
This is more than just her nobody's shown up for
just her.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
And I went into the sports bra to watch this game,
which turned out to be electric, and the woman was
sitting next to me at the bar and I'm like,
so when did you start watching hoops?
Speaker 1 (28:49):
And she was like Caitlyn.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I go, what do you mean, Caitlyn, that's not a
when she's like, since since Caitlyn was at Iowa and
now I'm watching the WNBA and I was like, oh,
so you're a Fever fan.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
She's like, I'm a Caitlin Flack fan.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
And she's literally roasting Melyssa because don't give the ball
to Melyssa. She's she's causing turnovers and she's impacting your
stats and like you need to pass the ball to
Aaliyah because And.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I'm like, yo, this woman's out of her mind. And
she's like, I should probably.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Watch some other games because I should know, like who
Caitlyn's up against. I shouldn't learn about Angel Reis because
that's like her rival, right, And I'm like, oh, yeah,
this is nothing I've ever seen anything before.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Well, well, the first thing is that Grandma. Okay, that's
all is a team sport. There is no iron team,
you guys, must want Caitlyn to just be a swimmer
or gymnastics. Like, if you guys want that, then she
needs to be in an individual sport and go win
gold medals and just it's just but basketball, baby, you
gotta pass the rock and you gotta share it a
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little bit. Now, Like you said, she's the Golden Goose.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
I feel like the way that so many people look
at that treated as she's the only one with talent,
which is not. They're the same sentence. I mean that's
two different things. Yeah, totally, it both can be true.
Like almost twenty one million people watched.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
That was a centil.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
That's Centel, that's Intel, you got sent No, that was no,
that's Centel, you got sent held.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Unless just Women's Sports reported the wrong thing.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Oh okay, definition of getting sentiled right there.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
So they're all quoting the wrong stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, because somebody made a fake account and put out
something fake and then the news sources quote tweeted it
and everybody, all the right wing nut jobs are like, yeah,
Caitlin only does that, and all you other blah blah blah.
It's even they got them, they got them, They got
you on this pod.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Anyway, wrong numbers but regardless, she still moves the meter.
People still tune in to watch. And then when she
comes out and has thirty two points or thirty four points, so.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Twenty five in the first half.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Who does she remind you angel like any player men's
or women's outside, well, we say takeout Steph, But is
there a woman's player that she reminds you of at all?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
She's so unique because because I can't even give her
a women's player back in the day, because the three
the three ball wasn't it's big back then, it was
one two dribble jump shot. I just got to go
with like Larry Bird.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Wow, just an assassin. And the thing that I find
to be fascinating is she just is a She's just
a killer. She just wants to destroy you, not only
our teammates, but other players. Like when she when she
hit that step back in Stewie's face, like you could
tell Stue was like, wow, respect hit that step back
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like from the logo.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
And I think.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
That's the energy now that we should like sort of keep,
which is like you kind of have to just tip
your hat to the girl because she's doing some things
that we've never seen in our lifetime.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
I don't feel like we've seen hype like this for
an athlete before they turn pro. Yeah, since like Lebron.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
No, I haven't seen it in the last decade. Yeah,
I think probably Lebron it's been the last one. Maybe
some Olympians be like, no, not in the last decade.
Kaitlin has changed it.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Sure you think it was fucked up they left off
the Olympic roster.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
No, I think that like her time will come. I
think this next one in her time is there. It's
just all about timing it. Well, that's been going on
for for decades and decades, So we just got all.
We all just played through that. You know.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
The Yukon hurdle is part of the game. Is that
part of the game.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I think I would say it was worse back in
my era, Like.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Break it down, like what is it? What is it?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Feel? It feels like Mekka should be an Olympic team.
It feels like do Wanna Bonner should be an Olympic team.
It feels like that, Like it feels like Cannon should
have five gold medals, not too That's what it feels like.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
What about when you're on the team and there's someone
from Yukon running the Olympic team.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Do you feel it day to day then.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, because it's like, you know, they use it as
you should. They use it for recruiting, and it's like, damn, well,
let me try to recruit for logo, but dang, I'm
the only one here from logo, so I can't recruit
to useing this. So they use it for recruiting, and
they get all the pictures with all the Yukon girls
with the medals or like they had like an event
doing it. What it's twenty twelve. I remember they had
(33:31):
this Yukon event at the Olympics. But I'm like, how
was this ain't about college? This is the world, so
you gotta got a Yukon event, Okay, stuff like that.
So it's like none of us have college events at
the Olympics. Yukon, so a little stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Speaking of Yukon pagebackers, obviously, you know she's been she's
been at the top of the the you know, betting
odds for Rookie of the Year since she ever even
got into the league. So but she hasn't really had
that like moment that like, hey, this is this is
what I'm going to offer the WNBA. Until last week
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she had thirty five points. She was thirteen nineteen shooting.
And I mean the team is terrible. The team is
about as bad as I mean we've seen, and not
just like in terms of everything. I mean, you've got
Djna yelling at the coat, You've got players getting in fights.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
You've got in Dallas.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Yeah, I mean it's it's a mess. It's a mess
down there. Like I don't think that like whatever is
happening down there right now will not happen next year.
Whatever that combination is.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
At the Cock, Kurt, Kurt, what's going on in Dallas?
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Man?
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yo?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
What what is Kurt doing?
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Because I was surprised he became GM, and then I
was surprised that he hired Cock claims the togetherness man
bun coach to be his Jedi, because it doesn't feel
like that makes any sense to me.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
I don't know what they got going on. And I
know my agent told me that Kirk said no to me.
But I'm like, if I want to say, you ain't no,
ain't no drama like that, nobody's gonna be yelling at coach,
nobody's gonna be fighting. Maybe a Rika needs to go
ahead and rebrand somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Before the game that they had against the Mercury, which
had a little bit of a scuffle. I don't know
if you saw this.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
So it was djen A and we talked about this
last week on the pod Djna and Melissa, who are
dating and they've been dating all the way since their
time at Baylor. They were parlaying out pregame, maybe having
a couple of drinks, maybe not in the pool, kicking it,
talking smack.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
And you got a Rique live on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Live on TikTok, a Rique calling from the hotel being like, Yo,
you guys need to go to bed.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Paige, Yo, you guys need to go to bed. They're like, Hey,
what team do we play for again? We played for
the Wings?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Oh yeah, as is gonna be a wing. Asy and
Padren to play on the same team. What do you
think about teammates dating.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
I'm against it. I've always been against it. We had
one role in college at Loyvill Jeff Wall said, teammates
don't date. First of all. For me, first of all,
never even look at my teamate. They are my employees,
they are my sisters. Always all my teamates have always
been my sisters, and that's how I look at them.
But then I will look and see I'm prettying off
a little bit. How can I wake up in the morning,
(36:30):
give my spouse a kiss? See you at work, at work,
all the drama at work. Come home, babe. I see
in a second, we're gonna talk about this tonight. What
happened today? Like, where is the separation?
Speaker 4 (36:47):
You gotta have a separation.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
You gotta have be drained. So shout out to Ali
Quigley and Vani Sloot. I don't know how y'all did it.
Shout out to uh Do Wanna and Ellis Thomas. I
don't know how y'all did it. Now I'm against it
because you get mad at your spouse. And this is
why Coach Wall said, we don't do that, which he said,
(37:10):
I can tell the girls who have a boyfriend and
the girls who don't. Your boyfriend is gonna come and
rebound for you at night. Your girlfriend is not gonna
do that. She doesn't want to come to the gym
and rebound for your night. She wants to cuddle in
kids and watch movies. And I thought, my dad, I
like that so true. Now, as far as to answer
your question directly. You get mad at each other, then
you don't want to pass the ball to each other.
(37:32):
People on a team know you're upset, or you had
an argument that night. You on this side of the bench,
she on that side of the bench, when usually you
guys sit next to each other in the bed. It's
too much separate. Teammates should not date go on another team.
And I haven't seen one, not a one. Correct me
if I'm wrong. Anybody who is dating on a team
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win a championship, I haven't seen it.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Did slow and quickly win it when Candice Parker was
all at time team for the Sky.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Was correct me if I'm wrong, if that happened.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Let me see soccer is so different.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Like soccer is you have like the national team and
you have like three or four couples on those teams,
and like, have they won it? They've won the World
Cup with those girls on the team.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Yeah, then I guess that's wrong.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
I don't know if soccer, but maybe it's a different
culture too. It's it's they're bigger rosters. You know, it's
twenty five roster versus like an eleven roster. You know,
you have more opportunities to get away.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
So Chicago did win Chip in twenty twenty one with
Ali and Slut. But I feel like Ali and Slot
were like different, right, you know what I mean? Like
not messy, They were like a grown They were like
a grown couple.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
They handled it well out of anybody I've seen the
maturity how they handle it. They didn't let that. I
don't think they bought it to work. Maybe that's the thing.
Don't bring it to work. Turn on your business button,
and then afterwards you can turn to your romance button.
But you could tell the ones that are bringing the
romance on the court because they're like passing to the
ball each other. Boom boom uh uh uh she get
(39:12):
better cheers than your teammate.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Come on, man, Well, there's a lot of there's a
lot of people hoping that Page and Asy are in
a relationship and they want a title in Connecticut.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
You fight, you fight one of them. The other one
comes like a Diana, like you got into it with Penny,
Come Diana, right. I can't, man, I can't.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Speaking of Paige though, as a former Rookie of the Year,
what does that resume need to look like to win it?
Because she's got an eighty five percent chance of winning
right now according to Vegas and one damn win.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Who Who's who's in the running with her?
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Her and Kiki Erie Fin.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Okay, so I run the Rookie of the Year and
playing half a season because the beginning out of play
so much so I didn't have any sets, and Shamika
Holstok got hurt, and I won the Rookie the Year
because the wanted Bonna was supposed to win it and
plan half a season, so there's still plenty of time
for page. All she has to do is put up
the numbers. Just hit that. Yeah, it takes time to
(40:16):
hit that. Like, Okay, I figured it out. Now that
you had this thirty point game, Let that be the
mark that Okay got it, figured it out. Smooth sailing
from here. Your Rookie of the Year numbers is gonna be
like it's gonna be a no brainer if you just
keep this this type up. Get over the fighting, get
over you guys are not losing, and just make it
up in your mind. Like, Okay, if we lose the
(40:36):
rest of the season, at least let me just get
my numbers. So I give win the Rookie of the Year.
You might as well do that. Get something out of it.
Don't just have a losing season and not win Rookie
of the Year. Get get something.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
How important are those wins?
Speaker 3 (40:46):
We at least won over five hundred, so we had
We weren't like the top, but we were in the
middle of the pact.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
If they go the whole season and win three games
the whole year, I mean, yeah, like how valuable can
you look at her her rookie season in that sense,
like if they're.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Yeah, when you look at like how well she played
even during those losses. So you can't lose and just
have like fifteen points. You gotta be like putting up numbers.
If you're gonna win Rookie of the Year and and
only won three games, it gotta be some numbers like, Okay,
she scored forty though she the best rookie. You get
what I'm saying, Even if you have a losing season
and that's what your numbers, because obviously it's showing like yo,
I'm i'm I'm I'm a baller. I just don't have
(41:23):
the help to thee right now, but I can ball.
So that's what she got to prove. If not, then
somebody else is gonna win it. They're gonna have good
stats and winning, So you gotta put up numbers for
that to subsidize losing.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Do you think that, uh, the overall because it's Page.
Everything that we know about Page, because Page was almost
like Caitlyn before Caitlyn, right, she had the hype.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Everybody was like.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
She's the next real one up and then obviously she
had all those injuries. Do you think that if Page
is putting up twenty five a game with some with
some moments where she's popping like she did the other game,
do you think because she's Paige she can do less
in her rookie year and still win it.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
M that is deep a little because you know the
dumb Bay now they want to They're basing a lot
of stuff off the politicalness of popularity. You know who's
going to help us continue to make money in the
dumba with their popularity. Maybe the SPI's right, it's like
the voting comes from the popularity more so. Like Clarisa
Shields was mad at Angeurie. She's like, I thought it
(42:27):
goes off accolades. Yes, Clarissa, you have more accolades for sure,
but this popularity contest, so that that all plays a
part in it, you know what I'm saying. Like Haley
van leif she's a decent player, all right, is her?
Is she is that players out there that maybe better
than Haley belief? I believe so they're not popular.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
We had this conversation when we were talking about Caitlyn
Chen at the Valkyries early on before the season even started,
before she got cut. That was you know about that
popularity of the players. And Trista said the same thing
about Hailey van Lyft, like Haley van Lyt, Hailey maan
Lyft is my eye.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
If Hailey van had ten thousand followers, would she be
in the league?
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Let me ask you that, I don't think so. What
do you think?
Speaker 4 (43:17):
I don't think so honestly, when she's.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
We just talked about her true talent, take away the followers.
It's just from her talent right now. Would she be
in the league if she only had ten thousand followers?
If there was another girl out here who was just
as talented as Haley van.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Leaf, Yeah, I think if Jajah Kelly, if Dajah Kelly
was dating an NBA player. And we had heard about
Dajah Kelly because she was lighting it up at Louisville
and then she changed schools and she was like this
big star and she had two hundred and fifty thousand followers.
Dajah Kelly is good enough to be in the league.
I think Dajah Kelly is better than Hailey van Lyft.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
But she just nobody knew about her.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
She went to Oregon as a transfer as a senior,
and like she did a little something in the turn.
But when these gms are drafting, they're not thinking about
daj Kelly, but they're just like, oh, oh, Haley, Then
let's played with Angel.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
This is like a narrative. We can put them back together.
They can be teammates, run the LSU. Think back. That
didn't work the first time around.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Because this didn't happen during our time because when I played,
it was Twitter just came out. It was this new
thing called Twitter. It's like, okay, write something on there
every now and then let the fans keep up with you.
I was like, what Twitter, I'm like, write something. So
now what players have to do since we're in a
different time, you have to go to marketing classes when
you're in school, go to marketing classes. How do I
(44:35):
get my engagement up, my following up, so that even
though I know I'm just as good as this player,
but she got more following, or I'm even better, I
gotta get my following up so this political thing they do,
it ain't gonna affect me. So kids get we get
we dropping. You'll gym work on your engagement, work on marketing,
work on how to boost so when it's your turn,
(44:57):
you ain't got to deal with I'm better than her,
but she's in because everybody knows her because of her following.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
It feels like it starts in high school now too,
with nil, Like you know, you get recruited based on
follower counts.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Now in a lot of ways, it seems like it's clout.
It's kind of like ten years ago Shack didn't do
a podcast when none of the bus where were you guys?
We don't act like we never reached out to y'all
for help and marketing.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
I gotta I gotta bring this up to you. Did
you see so?
Speaker 2 (45:26):
When Shack went on Angels pod, he said, the best
thing for the w is I want to see all
y'all little booty shorts and I want to lower the
rim and I want to see your ash jiggling. He
said that to Angel Reese. They both went to LSU.
He's like a supposedly like her father figure.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
To me, I blew his ass up on.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Instagram and then he blocked me and sent me a
bunch of nasty words about how I was taking something
too seriously.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
I don't know, did you see that? Is that not
out of pocket?
Speaker 3 (46:01):
It's out of pocket and it's like it's clout and
it's like, I'm gonna give y'all an example. One of
my favorite singers. I went to this concert. This is
before Vegas won the championship. I ain't even put his
name out there. I said, Yo, you gotta come to
a game. I knew him from playing in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
It was wasn't it was Usher, Yo.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
I'm like, yo, come to a game before we want
a championship. I'm like, yo, come to a game. Like
he said, Oh man, I gotta go to LA and
record as soon as I'm not on a team now,
because like I heard, they didn't bring you back. You
on line. Oh, Asia Wilson, I gotta come to a game.
You went the game next week. I know I invited
you to a game. It's clout.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Then they were all on stage with them.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
Thank you, support before. You don't have to wait till
the Cloud is there to support. Just support because I
invited you. You know what I'm saying, and you all
want to Oh yeah, I gotta come to a game now. Yeah,
I'm gonna be there. Okay, all that all we see,
all of that so much shot kick me when I
got into it with Gilbert Arenas. Okay, we had out
(47:01):
back and four words. I never seak never hit me before.
I didn't have been injured twice. I didn't have two
a cl i'dn't been depressed. I've been trying to make
it back to the league. Yeah, man, don't worry about
gil He just do. And good luck on your comeback.
I've been trying to come back for three years. You
tell me good luck on my comeback because I went
viral because I said something to gil So it's Cloud.
(47:23):
It's Cloud. So guess what girls, since they want Cloud,
give him the Cloud, play the game, go to marketing class,
figure it out, boost yourself, boost that following, give him
some Cloud, get into it. What did you say that
fake article shit.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yep a Wnba said, heil get sentailed.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Tell your motherfucking self because that's what they want. And
so you get in because it's not based off your
talent no more. Let's keep it real. You can be
as good as you want to be. You don't have
to follow your not in.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
That was what I think created the ultimate firestorm, right
is you had two incredibly talented players in their own
rights and Angel and Caitlin not to bring it back,
and then you had a like that viral moment that
you were talking about, and that viral moment has created
(48:16):
clout and and listen. I think Angel's supremely talented at
what she does and what she's good.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
At, but without that cloud.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
In that moment, does Angel Reis get a podcast? Does
Angel Reis get Reese's pieces shoes from Reebok?
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Does Angel Reese on the cover of Voke? Is Angel
Reese on the board of the met gallup?
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Because you guys, Because because you guys didn't check. Angelice
was injured at Maryland. She was trying to transfer. I
call her. I was like, yoa, I want to get
you a Louisville. And it's the story behind that that
I can't even ever repeat, And Hayley was listen. She said, yeah,
I would love to. I'm interested. Can you have coach
Wats call me? I called her. She was Nobody was
(49:01):
checking on injuries. She was injured. Nobody gave her podcast,
nobody gave her endorsements. She wants to alice you to
do this. So my thing is like she was always
that same player. She was the same player in Maryland
that she is now. No difference clout that's what America wants.
Then you gotta just give it to them, because it's
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just not based off the principles of I work hard,
I'm really good at this game. I can help a team.
I'm that damn good. It's gotta be she gotta have
some clout behind her, especially with women. If she looks good,
you could be not even a good player.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
You look like a model, like the Covender twins in Miami.
You saw them, the twins.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
You know, men, the men could be as ugly as
they want to be if they're good. See that's the
difference in men. They can if they're good, they're gonna
get what they deserve if they're good. It's not like
that in women. I'm good, I should be in a team.
I'm not getting what I deserve. I'm not able to
retire the way I want. You know what I'm saying,
a lot of women are not getting with deserve. You
gotta be pretty, have some cut around you. Why is
(50:06):
these stipulations on women's basketball or women's sports, Why can't
they just be damn good in their in.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
That's I feel like the age old question, you know,
why can't talent ever be good enough?
Speaker 2 (50:18):
And also Kate Martin, Kate Martin got in, and I
like Kate again, I like Kate Martin.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
Kate Martin's a good wing. She can play defense, She's
a good like glue piece doing some things on the Valkyries.
But if she's not, she's not Caitlyn Clark's teammate and
on those big stages where they're getting all these ratings.
And this is what I said about Kitlyn Chen. I
was like, if Kate Martin.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Can make the league by being friends or teammates of
Caitlyn Clark, then Kitlyn Chen should get in because she's
friends and teammates with Pagebeckers.
Speaker 4 (50:49):
It's slightly different though the Kate Martin not only is
it that she was teammates right with Caitlyn at Iowa
and went on that whole run. But it's kind of
a little bit and now it's it is different because
I'm not comparing.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
She's also got the cloud of the lesbians.
Speaker 4 (51:06):
That's what I was gonna say, So you have that.
It's kind of that Page Becker's effect right where it's
like Page's tiktoks are not about basketball. They are thirst traps.
That's all they are.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
It's they're just thirst traps.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
And her doing the you know, the hands and then
it's four million likes and one hundred thousand comments just
being like Page, I love you. You know, that's all
it is. And Kate Martin, she debuted her hot girlfriend. Yep,
she got drafted and now you know she like gets
(51:41):
her own team essentially to start up with the Valkyries.
And you've got like, and this girl went from being
someone on no one's radar to being the key player
to start a brand new franchise. Yeah, in twelve months
because she was a hot lesbian. And I'm not saying
like anything about Kate Martin, but that's what got her
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attention to start with.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
There you go, she was a.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Hot masculine lesbian.
Speaker 4 (52:08):
That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I mean, and
not again not that's not shit talking Kate Martin.
Speaker 3 (52:13):
But no, it's it's you gotta women. You gotta put
a plan behind your play. I guess that's what we're
gonna call it, the plan behind your play. Figure out
this marketing plan. Men don't have to do it. You're good,
You're gonna get it, get whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
But the women is just you want to know who's
really good at this?
Speaker 2 (52:30):
And I was trying to figure out a way to
get this in somehow, but there was really no news
behind it. But now that we're talking about marketing, this
has been brilliant in the last like three weeks to me.
Have you seen Courtney Williams and Tish Heataman and they're
a little podcast that they started. They're doing videos from
the hotel called called stud Buds.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
I saw that.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
And they're just shipping.
Speaker 3 (52:55):
They figured it out.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
They figured it out, right.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
They're figuring it out. They sell Okay, we gotta we
gotta people like drama putting the plan behind the play.
Speaker 4 (53:06):
And they're doing it the right way because they're not
trying to market themselves like outside of what they're good at,
like they're good at that comedy, like they're good at
that relatability. I watch them, I'll watch a clip and
I'll watch it like three or four times, and I
laugh at something different every single time because I'm like,
I just caught that, Like it's I mean, they're hilarious.
(53:29):
And I think that's what we need more of, like just.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
That really authenticity, like yeah, yeah, just relatability and just
like not doing it because it is a lot of
people like to have it because of this, you know,
in a cliche way, that's what you need. People relate
to that that that.
Speaker 4 (53:49):
Way people want to feel like they can go up
to you and talk to you.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
Even though Courtney has scraps, Now Courtney Corney, didn't she
get didn't she get it? An garter in Atlanta?
Speaker 3 (54:02):
Wasn't it was doing a lot in Atlanta. But she
was doing a lot of We had a video on
her out and about in the crowd, like in some
parking lots, So she was doing a lot. I think
she needed to get out of this environment. You know,
hookah every day with dinner is just not not it.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
You could see it.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
Boy in the championship too, because she was winded, she
was super She always.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Wondering what that was. It must have been must have
been the hookah because she was she was losing it.
I love Courtney though, She's hilarious hookah.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
So yeah, the Minnesota environment is what she needs. She
needs to be right there in that kind of environment,
not in atl Shorty having them pepper wings at Magic City.
Speaker 4 (54:42):
Magic City?
Speaker 3 (54:43):
What you know about Magic City?
Speaker 2 (54:45):
You almost need to be you almost need to be
a certain type of player to be able to play
in Atlanta, like just unfazed.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
Yes, well, I have my fun in Atlanta. Don't get
me twisted.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
Okay, what was you doing in Atlanta? Angel? What were
you doing in Atlanta?
Speaker 2 (54:59):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (54:59):
I I've had my sharefare fund in Atlanta. But I'm
almost forty now, so this environment is not for me anymore.
You get what I'm saying. That's why I moved to La.
I'm working on films. I'm a grown ass woman now.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
You know.
Speaker 3 (55:13):
I'm doing grown up things. Atlanta's good for your twenties.
I feel like twenties, early thirties. You want to party
every night, play basketball, have groupies. Anybody got time for
that now? We're grown.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
I didn't know Atlanta had groupies.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
Oh yeah, you were.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
You were pulling, You were pulling in the twenties, Atlanta,
angel I.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
Pulled everything, honey. Yeah, okay, And that's why I'm just
humbled and saved and I'm in my own little bubble
in LA. Just minded my business done. Did it all?
Been there, done that. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (55:46):
Oh God, God, God, Oh I got That's all I got?
Speaker 1 (55:54):
Is there anything?
Speaker 2 (55:55):
Is there anything around sports at all besides your rant
that you just had that you want to cook on, angels?
Is something up that you see around the league that
you just feel like you want to speak on?
Speaker 3 (56:07):
Yeah? Bring me back, man? What shall take us a
long for? Can I retire in the court? Is y'all
start playing me? By god? I just want to have fun.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
Get this girl? Did you at least play on rival?
Can we at least get you on an un rival roster?
I saw de get there struggling. You got better handles
than dere can handle.
Speaker 3 (56:28):
Y'all. Let me come back and retire, and wait, I
want at least got three years left. Let me come
back and play this game. I have so much fun, guys,
this was fun, so fun. This was a blast. We
gotta do it again.
Speaker 4 (56:37):
We'll have to do it again, definitely.
Speaker 1 (56:39):
This is all the time that we have this episode.
Let her shoot big.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
Thanks to Angel mccartree, Olympian Rookie of the Year speaking facts.
Get your branding up, Atlanta dream legend. Uh, that's all
the time we have this week.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
Come back next week. There's me tons of tea.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
Uh NWSL talk other sports to cover that we didn't
have the chance to today.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Sarah, did you have fun?
Speaker 4 (57:07):
I had a blast. I had a blast. I'm always
happy to be around. I'm always happy to be around
someone from Baltimore. I gotta tell you it just it
makes my heart happy.
Speaker 1 (57:18):
Two ladies with crabs, Matt, I.
Speaker 3 (57:22):
Had a blast.
Speaker 4 (57:23):
Man.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
We're gonna take our crabs and just go. You know,
do we do eat our crabs? We leave in Trista
at home.
Speaker 2 (57:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (57:29):
I mean, unless you can keep up, Unless you can keep.
Speaker 1 (57:32):
Up, I hope, I hope I can keep up. I
need to learn. I need to nails.
Speaker 4 (57:36):
Those nails gotta go. You can't do the you can't
do the crabs with the nails, Trista.
Speaker 3 (57:42):
You know, cut those down, baby.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
Cut those down. Angel is a real one. I just
want everybody to know.
Speaker 2 (57:52):
If you think Angel's funny right now, Angel's like ten
X funny in real life. I had a UFC event
with her and we got to see our very first
fight live in action. Angel was ready to scrap for me,
and I was like, oh, yeah, now I know what
kind of player Angel was. In the w if someone
would have pulled my hair.
Speaker 1 (58:11):
If the Angel Angel would have beat.
Speaker 3 (58:13):
That girl's ass, I would have beat her as.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
All right, y'all, we'll see you next week.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
Big thanks to Angel, Big thanks to Sarah, Big thanks
to Stacy for filling in as our producer.
Speaker 1 (58:26):
And we'll see you next time. Everybody say it for me,
let our shoes. I'm a hot girl.
Speaker 3 (58:32):
I gave anything I want.
Speaker 4 (58:34):
This is my world.
Speaker 3 (58:35):
I make big moves in my big hus Since I
tell you that I was born, I made a big deal.
Do I hear the big Is that what that is?
Was that a squeak of a shoe angel?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Or was that your fire, the smoke detector battery? Not
I please, please, please don't tell me that's what that was.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Hold on, hold on, it couldn't have been that.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Okay, there it is.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I heard it.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
I'm a hot girl.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I get anything I want.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
This is my world.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I make big moves in my big hues.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Since I tell you that I was born, I've been
a big deal.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Welcome to let her Shoot. The only podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It covers women's sports the way we want them covered. AKA,
we talk about the game. We make it funny, no
kid gloves. We're not trying to say that this women's
sports is a baby bird egg.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Just respect for the athletes, respect for the fins, respect
for the sports.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
And we've got all the reasons to stay locked in.
We talked about the tea, we talk about the draw.
We also break down the game. We got Sarah Chobner,
two time Emmy Award winning producer. We got Trista Quick,
zero time Emmy Award winning talent, but every day award
winning shit talker.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So much we have to talk, but we have eclipsed.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
We're both eclips today because we've got a five time
WNBA All Star, former Rookie of the Year, former number
one pick, two time Olympic Gold Medalist, which far outweighs
Miamis because that actually required real work to earn. And
my fellow Marylander Angel mccawtree is here.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Let's go and not just Maryland, not just Maryland, Baltimore
and Maryland.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
You know what time it is.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
See more So, Trista, we got to put you on
with the crab cakes.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I love crabcake, baby, I love crabcake, but I've never
been to a crab chat.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yeah, we gotta get you on that. You got to
learn how to open a crab because you learn that
here when you're like three years old.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
They just give you the little Do you have to
have one of the little bibs on and the gloves?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Oh yeah, because if not, you get old bay in
any cuts you have and it stings and then it
ruins the experience. But no, you gotta you gotta go
for some real crabs, like on the side of the
road in a place that looks sketchy as fuck. Yes, really,
that's how you do it.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yes, that's where you go, that's how you do it.
That's the that's the next episode. We're gonna go get
getting some crabs in Baltimore today. Though today there's so
much shit going on in the W.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
There's so much.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
We got a right.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Wing conservative media entity, thirsty is fuck, trying to become
even more disgusting than they've already been. We're talking a
little Angel Reese and her triple double. We got Caitlin
Clark making her return back to the w after her
five game absence. She went crazy, and yes, you can
talk about Angel Reese and Kate Look without bringing up
(03:00):
the other one page buck she comes back from an injury,
she went crazy. Her Rookie of the Year chances have
now skyrocketed after just one game. And there's so much more,
especially considering that the Atlanta Dream are the third best
team in the WNBA.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Before we really get into our topics, though, I want
to get Angel's opinion on a controversial take that Trista
had last week. She pissed some fans off in our
comments because she said, which you know, it's you know,
part for the course sometimes, but she said that WNBA
All Star voting was was what was the word you
(03:40):
said that?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I said, if you are up there just on your phone,
just worried about the votes and you're just clicking away,
Like if you're that's like your main concern is to
vote for anything on your phone. You need to go
touch grass, Like you need to get a fucking light.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Give us wrong with wrong with.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
People being excited to vote and they're into the game.
What's wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Man?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I know we can't have it both ways, right, Like
we want people to be excited about the w but
not too excited or you're cringe and dirty, Like I
guess that is too cool. Sarah was like, hey, you
need to vote for Love Island, and I'm like, I'm
not downloading that app so that I can vote for
who gets kicked off the island. So people are very
mad at that one. Yeah, people were very mad because
(04:28):
they were using like these medium members emails and they
were taking the media members emails and then voting for
Kaitlin Clark for an All Star and people will be like.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Don't do that, that's impersonation. You'll go to jail.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
It's a little od our.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Point was is that the fans voting Kaitlin Clark into
the All Star was not going to be what determines
whether or not Kate as an All Star. You know.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
She's in.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Don't worry about it, Like you don't have to go
to impersonating other people in order to get her into
the All Star Game. But I think we do support
you know, normal fan interaction in terms of players.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
There's not a lot of normal fan interaction though right now.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
No, there's not. We got to talk about what happened
this weekend at the Mystics and Dream Game because OutKick
who for anyone not familiar with OutKick.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, I knew she wouldn't know it.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, because they're way too breitbarty for for like a
normal person.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I was about to say they're the Bright Bart of sports.
They are Clay Travis truth.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Social, They're like the truth Social of social media.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah, they're like hardcore right wing conservative. For example, I'll
give you like a couple headlines that they've recently written.
Britney Griner is privileged was probably one of my favorites.
Riley Game and Clay Travis react to the WNBA, which
is like the last people that I would care to
(06:05):
hear about talk about the WNBA in context. So A
little backstory was they a couple of weeks ago during
the Fever and Dream game on May tenth, Brittany Grinder
fouled out and when she goes to the bench, she
mouths something. It's very obvious to me what it seems like.
She mouths, we can we'll.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Play the clip trash.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Yeah, whirl out Kick is convinced that she says fucking
white girl. They then went on this whole tirade about
how it was directed towards Caitlin Clark and that Brittany Grinder's.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Racist and nice were talking like this for years.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, and we had to back it up too because remember,
I don't know if you saw this, Angel. I think
when there was a little back and forth between Angel
Reese and Caitlin Clark, she reposted something on TikTok that
was like white girl was duck in the smoke, which
I thought was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Personally, I don't like because she was docor whoa.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
She been like it? Back to the bench, guys, it's
basketball talk. We've been talking like this for years. People
never said to my teammates, yeah, the white girls over there,
and look at the white girls over there, and they
hear it, and they laugh and they say the black girls.
And you know when y'all black girls, it's not racist
to us. We talk like that.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
You know who gets racist towards the racists?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Anyone who starts chirping about like white racism, you immediately
just know where they fall in the political spectrum, you know,
like you immediately are like, I know what this is.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Well, Anne, I don't even think Brittany Grinder said it,
because I think she said fucking whack ass call like
whack call, or because she had gotten fouled, And I
don't think Caitlyn was a part of the play. So
an OutKick doesn't get credentialed for months, and they started
like hey and Silver won credentialists.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
So then they go.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Up to Britney Grinder four games later, Angel and check
this part out.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
By the way, Will Stacey pulls that up one of
my favorite quotes from this article that they wrote about
Brittany Grinder out kicked it. This is before they tried
to get by the way, this was in the time,
so they tried to get media credentials for like ten games.
Because this was more than four games ago. This was
May tenth. This was over a month ago, so they've
(08:30):
been trying to get games. They've written like ten articles
talking about how the WNBA is blackballing them and can't
figure out why. And you know, just like all they
you know, like the fake news media won't let us
cover this. So anyway, they go on in this article.
My some of my favorite snippets were Britney Grinder, who
(08:51):
Joe Biden acquired two years ago in the most lopsided trade.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Of all time.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
God, then they say, what else do you expect from
an America hating play? Honestly surprised this doesn't happen more
often in that insufferable place.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
So we figured out who the racists really are, like you.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Said, exactly. So keep in mind that the people calling
racism are writing stuff like writing racist.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah right, And if they want the clicks in the views,
you know everybody wants to click in the views. Now
off off the dumba if they want that, you know,
you don't got to use political to do it.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
So this was their quote unquote confrontation of Britney Griner
after the game against the Mystics the other night, and
how they decided to not talk about a single second
of the game that they played, but this game that
happened over a month ago.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
He said, you didn't remember what you said during that
viral moment after you fouled out against the Indiana Fever.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
A lot of people believe what you said was efing
white girl or efing white girls.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Is it possible that's what you said.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
No, I would never say that, like there's no place
for that in our league. Wouldn't say that you can't remember,
you know, Okay.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I wouldn't even have answered the question. I would have like, yeah,
I said it. And what if I said it, I
said it? What? What? What's next?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Angel? Why do people think that the term fucking white
girl is racial in any way? It's a descriptor.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I think it's just a heated a moment passion of basketball.
It's like, that doesn't mean you're racist, that doesn't mean
you're a person like it happens. I think people, especially
the media, everybody takes stuff so serious, especially on Instagram.
Everybody's so angry about you not thinking like them, or
you're not talking like them, or being in the box
(10:42):
with them. And if she said it, she said it,
I bet you she'd be having lunch with Caitlyn or whoever.
Next week, listen, we can go in the office and
disagree and argue and have lunch after. That's what real
successful people do.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
We talk about that all the time on this podcast,
like how women in sports are treated like as if
they're breakable, like as if these moments like we have
to get so heated about everything because everything has to
be controversy. And Tristan I were just talking about this
earlier today, like you were saying, like Sue Bird said
(11:16):
something about this and send we're not ready for it.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, have you heard of the NBA sentail where they
give you fake news?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, NBA sentail They like create fake news so that
people can like eat the garbage, you know, and so
they'll like create fake, fake stories or whatever. So WNBA
Sue Bird came on and said to Cameron Brink, like, Hey,
the WNBA will be in a better place if we
get to a spot where we can joke about the
(11:47):
league so much that we can have our own WNBA sentail.
But it doesn't feel like that. It feels like the
almost like everything has to be so serious. We can't
make fun of plays, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Well, on the women's side hasn't That hasn't been established yet, right,
because you're talking about women, right, who are emotional creatures
who just take things more personal than what probably men would. Right.
So if you make effake news about the guys, they
struggle off and like whatever, you say something about the
girls like, oh my god, do they really feel that way?
(12:23):
But it's just different with women. So I don't think
we're at that place just yet. It's just not there yet.
You know, women, we're just different, We're made different.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
So wait, you believe that the athletes in the league
would take things personal, the criticisms that they get, they
take more personal.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I think women take more criticism personal. Maybe the men
just in the biological makeup, you know, you know, not
saying that women can't handle it, but I think you know,
it affects them more. So are we at that place
depends on how it's structured. Like if you're talking about
like there's this guy he was on and he goes
smash past you know that guy, talk about it?
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yeah I saw him. Yeah, I saw something like this
the other day.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah, no, mind you we've never had that before in
our league. But all of a sudden, guys are okay.
I think it's good because now it's saying that we're attractive,
because nobody was talking about smashing the pass and this before.
But some people can say, like, that's freaking so rude,
and that's just disgusting and degrading the women. So it's
like this catch is twenty two.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
You know, Yeah, the attention is there. I want to
get to a point where I can roast and no
one is getting upset. I remember I was talking to
this Asian angel and she was.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Like, you know, you you may want to, like, if you're.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Starting women's media company, you might want to like tone
down some of the like things that you say. I
was like, no, about it, that's what everybody else does.
I don't know espnW.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I don't think we need to tone down. We got
to stop this tone down ourselves, toned down women. Let's
let's start roasting a little bit. Now. They got to get,
you know, to a place where doesn't affect them and
know that, like, yeah, we just had that level that
we're roasting. It is with this. You know, it's gonna
be new at first, but I think we need to
get there.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
But transitioning over from BGI to the Dream as a whole.
So the Dream eight and three this year playing the
New York Liberty today, well it's tomorrow, but it'll be
today when.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
This comes out.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Liberty have had the second easiest schedule in all of
the w just lost to the fever in Caitlin's return,
Ryan Howard's ball and Brittany Grinder's balling, Like, what what
does that say to you about like Atlanta and how
far the Dream have come? Because they were they were
dunk butter last year they were just straight cheeks.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I mean, it's been a long time coming, you know.
I think they have to get to that place where
they're winning again, get to a bigger arena. You know,
Atlanta is a city from playing here, So one that's
very excited about the Dream they are. They want them
to win. They want them to get back to where
we used to be, you know, when we were playing
in a Phillips Serena or state farm. It is now.
(15:04):
So I'm glad to see them that they moved the
ball very well. I got to watch someone they can't
play the sparks in La and I loved what I
saw and how they moved the ball, And I love
how Britney's playing, So it is just good to see
that it's time.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Forty threes shooting forty threes per one hundred possessions.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Threes, it's rated threes.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Let's transition over to Angel rees for a second. So
she had a triple double this this past weekend. Yeah,
second one of the season to Caitlin Clark, second fastest
or second youngest of all time to reach the triple double.
So it's kind of hard to like keep peddling these
narratives that Angel reefs shouldn't be in the league. She
(15:47):
decided to clap back at those trolls by making and
trademarking me Bounds, which I just love And I'd love
to get your both of your thoughts on how to
handle trolls and how to handle these people and is
that the way to do it?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Oh, I mean, I think it's delicious, to be honest,
I just I love Angels so much. Somebody said to
me like, hey, because I was like, you can like both.
And I love Angel's personality. I love her branding. I
love everything that she does and the podcast, the fashion
(16:26):
helping out with the met Gala. Like she's truthfully just
a different type of star than Caitlin marketable in a
bunch of different ways for really who she is.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Off the court.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So I love that she's spinning it, flipping it reversant,
about to make some money off of it, and it
just makes me like her more. It makes me feel like, Wow,
this is not bothering her nearly as much.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
And now I can joke around and I can say,
knee bounce.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Angel, did you ever have to deal with like these
types of trolls? And how would you have dealt with it?
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Oh, there's trolls everywhere that you're always gonna deal with trolls.
But I didn't have to deal with trolls on this level. Right,
she has triple the amount of trolls, double.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
The amount maybe anyone ever than anyone.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Ever, So like I can understand, maybe the pressure is
just different, like just dealing with trolls, you know, when
I was playing like it's it's obviously bothersome and it's annoying,
But on her level, my god, I can only imagine.
So hey, I would floss a little bit too.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Why not people really do act like Angel Reese's only
rebounding crazy from her own missus, but she's you take
out her missus and she's still ten and a half
rebounds per game when you watch her, What do you
think makes her so elite at that.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
She's from Baltimore. I swear to goodness, guys, if you
watch how us girls play from Baltimore, it's just we're different.
We like if you watch even my game, I played
like that. I would rebound and I'm a guard. I'm
just going after the ball. We're taught at a young
age and ball, like they taught us the ball is
like go go get your gold. You see I got
(18:05):
a Lott gold on right now. You know what I'm saying,
go get your gold. So like we have this like
then we did a camp together like two years ago,
I me and Angel and we was I was looking
at these kids and I'm like, oh my god, I said,
these kids are different. I was like, they have an
aggression and it's like we have a back talk, and
like it's similar. Like if you look at my old footage,
not too it ain't that long ago, but you see
(18:28):
that I had an attitude just like Angel, Like I
played with that saying. So I actually see a lot
of her qualities, Like she's obviously in a different position
she's more of a post player and I'm a guard.
But I'm like, and I did my research, I'm like,
it's where we're from. It's our environment, and it's a
good thing. It's not a bad thing because because Baltimore
has a negative connotation like the wire and all that. No,
we produce some ballers, okay, and that that is just
(18:50):
that grit, that that Baltimore grit.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I swear to goodness, you know that's that's fascinating that
you said that you.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Guys have the same sort of edge, that same attitude,
because I think the part that's like so frustrating is
that angels play on the court and how she reacts
to getting you know, like.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
A hard foul on her, She'll kind of bow up.
And it feels like people are acting like she's like
she's hood or she's ghetto or x Y or Z.
And I know that people have sort of like misrepresented
you as well.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Do you think that's like just a commonality of how
being from Baltimore is.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
It's a mix of off. It's being a black woman,
it's being from Baltimore. It's playing with edge and great
because right women are not supposed to play We're not
supposed to play with that, right, men can, but we're
not supposed to. And even that happened to me our
owners when I was in Atlanta, they said, does she
act like that because she's from Baltimore. And I'm like,
I said, I'm sitting here at grinding getting thirty for
y'all winning.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
So they didn't even get it. You know what I'm saying.
But guess what, off the court, we know how to
handle ourselves. We can go in our business meetings and
get all endorsements and be marketable. So that goes to
show you that we know how to handle ourselves. If
if she has the most endorsements, probably out of anybody.
So being from Baltimore an't that bad. We know how
to conduct ourselves. It's a grit, it's a grind, and
(20:10):
it's not actually this bad thing like this negative connotation.
Baltimore has its good size. So that is the part
of the good side of Baltimore is that we know
how to go and get what we want and win
and be winners Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
I think I read once that if Baltimore was or
Baltimore County was like its own country, that it would
be like seventh in the medal count at the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
What hell yeah, teach Trista. They don't this small little state.
I'm telling you.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
You got Lidecki, you got Phelps, you got Angel.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Kevin durant Is from the dm DMV Kevin Durant Angels Carmelo,
Carmelo for.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
A tiny little state.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
You know, we're people, Are you guys even a state though?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Like really.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Justin We're gonna get you for that.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Angel got her ponytail pulled by Kayla Fisher.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Bria Hartley, Harley Hartley, Yeah, Hartley, my bad.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
So she got her hair pulled by Bria Hartley and
then bowed up on her and then got into it
with Tina Charles.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Yeah, we have the video. Let's play the video.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Well, all right, we Angelica is already in her position
to get her rebounds. Boom, I'm going up. You do
not pull my hair while I'm going in the upward motion.
You could break my neck and then my issues with
Bria Hartley. Why are you guys involving yourself when she
pulled my hair, You're gonna get pushed too and knock
to the ground. Okay, you don't pull my hair. That's
just always a no.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
No.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
You're going back at her like she like she reacted incorrectly.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Well, this is the Baltimore thing.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
That's what they're saying, is like, oh, well, Angel's not
handling the assault with classy enough.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
We don't grab hair. We don't grab hair because if
it's anybody else, you're gonna react the same way too.
You don't pull my hair. Then you touched her first.
Both of them touched Angel first. So yeah, you've touched
my hair. Yeah, I'm bucking up. You almost broke my neck.
Why are you there? Don't touch me? Move Tina, Tina,
what's you about to do? You're forty, Tina? Come on, mane,
(22:12):
you're forty.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
You're forty.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
So when she sees Brial Harley the next time, the
next time they play the Connecticut son, is it going down?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
She's not gonna grab her hair anymore.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
She will make that mistaken Angel.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Angel will make sure that she knows.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yo.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
This is for last time.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
I saw these people saying on the internet too, like oh,
it's her fault for wearing your hair so long.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
It's like you can't look at anything without blaming this
girl for it.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Honestly, can we just say, like, can we we are
breaking our backs now to blame angelrries for everything that
goes right goes wrong. Like if something's good, it's me.
If something's bad, she her hair this loll Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
What's the scenario if if Caitlyn had a long ponytail
and somebody pulled hers what's the scenario.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Well, I feel like Caitlyn might throw a punch if
someone did that, and she.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Would be in her right. People would say yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
And they would say they would say she was in
her right. They gotta get off her back. I heard
because I said online. I was like, hey, you can
like Angel and you can like Caitlyn. You don't actually
have to bring the other one up when you bring
the other one up. And one was somebody on the
internet was like, except for one person is likable and
the other one is completely unlikable.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
And I said, I said, you're right. Caitlyn on the
court is a menace. She is a demon. She cusses
her own parents out in front of everyone, and her
teammates and her refs and her coaches. To me, it
feels very strange that the Angels just kind of like
(23:52):
reacting to things, and the way that she's reacting is
seen almost like djen a esque where they called the
security did see where the ref called security on dja
angel Oh?
Speaker 4 (24:02):
I did?
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I did see that, And I know that ref stop it.
You better stop. Y'all gotta stop because because they're painting,
they're painting this narrative to and we gotta unpaint these narratives.
These are all basketball players. They all have the same mannerisms,
they all have heart. All the mannerisms and basketball all
are the same. This is gonna be the same. Doesn't
(24:23):
matter your color, your race, or your religion. That means
I'm shot in your face. This means I'm clapping, I'm excited,
like it's all the same mannerisms. How do you make
basketball mannerisms about race? Make it makes sense? Sometimes we
might even push the raf. I'm in the heat of
the moment. I'm not a bad person.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Hold on, hold up, wait, you be pushing a.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I ain't never pushed them, but I've gotten in their face.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
They don't even the best are the worst.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
They really are the worst. And when you watch other
leagues and other sports, even just the men that I
call it the m MBA or we call it the
m NBA. Even when you watch the m NBA, you're like, man,
these we I would pray for, and Scott Foster sucks,
but I would pray for a Scott Foster in the
(25:16):
w NBA. Some of these women's refs. I don't know
if you feel this way, Angel, but they have a
long way to go.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
It's been like that for a while. I don't know
what it is. It's like because they go to rough school.
I don't understand what probably.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
The same disparity as it is with everything else.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I feel you money, Yeah, can we get them a
good rep school.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
They're going to the Phoenix University of re schools.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
They're going to DeVry.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Oh my god, guys, you guys.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Let's change course to that player that sparks all this.
Caitlin Clark made her return three you know, nine points
and thirty eight seconds scored.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I've never seen anything like that. Did you see that play? Angel?
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah? The only other person I've seen do that was
like Reggie Miller.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I was from over.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Thirty something feet and it was just back to it
was like Reggie Miller against the knicks with the choke Sah,
he's awesome.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I've never seen that. And of course she's an Indiana girl.
I don't know, is this something that Indiana food or drinks?
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Like they got nothing else to do there but those threes.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
She's proven why she's Kaitlin, and she gave New York
their first loss. So that shows you, like everything that
needs no right there?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Man, I know you said this on my Instagram and
I want I waited to ask.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
You about it. I called Caitlyn.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I call Caitlyn the the golden Goose because no one
moves the needle.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Quite like her.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
There's plenty of really skilled players, but you said on
my Instagram she's not vegal goose. There are many golden gooses.
I need you to yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
No, she is the golden Goose. But there are also
many other golden Gooses, because I feel like.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
There could only be one golden Goose.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Is that a rule?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Well, I just I don't know if it's a rule.
Does does anyone move the league like Caitlin?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
No, Okay, she's the golden goose.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
She's the golden goose.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
There's but there are stars, and there are superstars, and
they are contributing to the rising tide.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
But we got to step Koree out here in a
fever jersey.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
But we've had, like have we not had golden Gooses
in the WNBA before? I remember, like Cheryl swoops on
everything you know.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Is there only one golden goose per decade? Like and
there could only be one golden goose during the decade?
Like how does the rules work for golden goose?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I don't know. This is like very complicated. All I know.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Is everything this girl touches on on the floor. I
went to the sports bra and there was this woman
who was sixty five years old at the bar. She's
drinking like a little like a little vermouse and olive
or something. Oh wait, woman, and it's a it's it's
the Lynx versus the fever.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
And I know how you feel about the Lynx. And
it was that.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
It was that Caitlyn Clark game where Caitlyn Clark was
was hyping the crowd up in Minnesota and they were
cheering for her. They all came for her to Minnesota,
and your girl, Cheryl Reeve was like, oh yeah, we
don't care about Caitlyn.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
This is more than just her nobody's shown up for
just her.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
And I went into the sports bra to watch this game,
which turned out to be electric, and the woman was
sitting next to me at the bar and I'm like,
so when did you start watching hoops?
Speaker 1 (28:49):
And she was like Caitlyn.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I go, what do you mean, Caitlyn, that's not a
when she's like, since since Caitlyn was at Iowa and
now I'm watching the WNBA and I was like, oh,
so you're a Fever fan.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
She's like, I'm a Caitlin Flack fan.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
And she's literally roasting Melyssa because don't give the ball
to Melyssa. She's she's causing turnovers and she's impacting your
stats and like you need to pass the ball to
Aaliyah because And.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I'm like, yo, this woman's out of her mind. And
she's like, I should probably.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Watch some other games because I should know, like who
Caitlyn's up against. I shouldn't learn about Angel Reis because
that's like her rival, right, And I'm like, oh, yeah,
this is nothing I've ever seen anything before.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Well, well, the first thing is that Grandma. Okay, that's
all is a team sport. There is no iron team,
you guys, must want Caitlyn to just be a swimmer
or gymnastics. Like, if you guys want that, then she
needs to be in an individual sport and go win
gold medals and just it's just but basketball, baby, you
gotta pass the rock and you gotta share it a
(29:53):
little bit. Now, Like you said, she's the Golden Goose.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
I feel like the way that so many people look
at that treated as she's the only one with talent,
which is not. They're the same sentence. I mean that's
two different things. Yeah, totally, it both can be true.
Like almost twenty one million people watched.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
That was a centil.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
That's Centel, that's Intel, you got sent No, that was no,
that's Centel, you got sent held.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Unless just Women's Sports reported the wrong thing.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Oh okay, definition of getting sentiled right there.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
So they're all quoting the wrong stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, because somebody made a fake account and put out
something fake and then the news sources quote tweeted it
and everybody, all the right wing nut jobs are like, yeah,
Caitlin only does that, and all you other blah blah blah.
It's even they got them, they got them, They got
you on this pod.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Anyway, wrong numbers but regardless, she still moves the meter.
People still tune in to watch. And then when she
comes out and has thirty two points or thirty four points, so.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Twenty five in the first half.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Who does she remind you angel like any player men's
or women's outside, well, we say takeout Steph, But is
there a woman's player that she reminds you of at all?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
She's so unique because because I can't even give her
a women's player back in the day, because the three
the three ball wasn't it's big back then, it was
one two dribble jump shot. I just got to go
with like Larry Bird.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Wow, just an assassin. And the thing that I find
to be fascinating is she just is a She's just
a killer. She just wants to destroy you, not only
our teammates, but other players. Like when she when she
hit that step back in Stewie's face, like you could
tell Stue was like, wow, respect hit that step back
(31:44):
like from the logo.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
And I think.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
That's the energy now that we should like sort of keep,
which is like you kind of have to just tip
your hat to the girl because she's doing some things
that we've never seen in our lifetime.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
I don't feel like we've seen hype like this for
an athlete before they turn pro. Yeah, since like Lebron.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
No, I haven't seen it in the last decade. Yeah,
I think probably Lebron it's been the last one. Maybe
some Olympians be like, no, not in the last decade.
Kaitlin has changed it.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Sure you think it was fucked up they left off
the Olympic roster.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
No, I think that like her time will come. I
think this next one in her time is there. It's
just all about timing it. Well, that's been going on
for for decades and decades, So we just got all.
We all just played through that. You know.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
The Yukon hurdle is part of the game. Is that
part of the game.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I think I would say it was worse back in
my era, Like.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Break it down, like what is it? What is it?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Feel? It feels like Mekka should be an Olympic team.
It feels like do Wanna Bonner should be an Olympic team.
It feels like that, Like it feels like Cannon should
have five gold medals, not too That's what it feels like.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
What about when you're on the team and there's someone
from Yukon running the Olympic team.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Do you feel it day to day then.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, because it's like, you know, they use it as
you should. They use it for recruiting, and it's like, damn, well,
let me try to recruit for logo, but dang, I'm
the only one here from logo, so I can't recruit
to useing this. So they use it for recruiting, and
they get all the pictures with all the Yukon girls
with the medals or like they had like an event
doing it. What it's twenty twelve. I remember they had
(33:31):
this Yukon event at the Olympics. But I'm like, how
was this ain't about college? This is the world, so
you gotta got a Yukon event, Okay, stuff like that.
So it's like none of us have college events at
the Olympics. Yukon, so a little stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Speaking of Yukon pagebackers, obviously, you know she's been she's
been at the top of the the you know, betting
odds for Rookie of the Year since she ever even
got into the league. So but she hasn't really had
that like moment that like, hey, this is this is
what I'm going to offer the WNBA. Until last week
(34:09):
she had thirty five points. She was thirteen nineteen shooting.
And I mean the team is terrible. The team is
about as bad as I mean we've seen, and not
just like in terms of everything. I mean, you've got
Djna yelling at the coat, You've got players getting in fights.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
You've got in Dallas.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Yeah, I mean it's it's a mess. It's a mess
down there. Like I don't think that like whatever is
happening down there right now will not happen next year.
Whatever that combination is.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
At the Cock, Kurt, Kurt, what's going on in Dallas?
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Man?
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yo?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
What what is Kurt doing?
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Because I was surprised he became GM, and then I
was surprised that he hired Cock claims the togetherness man
bun coach to be his Jedi, because it doesn't feel
like that makes any sense to me.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
I don't know what they got going on. And I
know my agent told me that Kirk said no to me.
But I'm like, if I want to say, you ain't no,
ain't no drama like that, nobody's gonna be yelling at coach,
nobody's gonna be fighting. Maybe a Rika needs to go
ahead and rebrand somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Before the game that they had against the Mercury, which
had a little bit of a scuffle. I don't know
if you saw this.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
So it was djen A and we talked about this
last week on the pod Djna and Melissa, who are
dating and they've been dating all the way since their
time at Baylor. They were parlaying out pregame, maybe having
a couple of drinks, maybe not in the pool, kicking it,
talking smack.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
And you got a Rique live on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Live on TikTok, a Rique calling from the hotel being like, Yo,
you guys need to go to bed.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Paige, Yo, you guys need to go to bed. They're like, Hey,
what team do we play for again? We played for
the Wings?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Oh yeah, as is gonna be a wing. Asy and
Padren to play on the same team. What do you
think about teammates dating.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
I'm against it. I've always been against it. We had
one role in college at Loyvill Jeff Wall said, teammates
don't date. First of all. For me, first of all,
never even look at my teamate. They are my employees,
they are my sisters. Always all my teamates have always
been my sisters, and that's how I look at them.
But then I will look and see I'm prettying off
a little bit. How can I wake up in the morning,
(36:30):
give my spouse a kiss? See you at work, at work,
all the drama at work. Come home, babe. I see
in a second, we're gonna talk about this tonight. What
happened today? Like, where is the separation?
Speaker 4 (36:47):
You gotta have a separation.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
You gotta have be drained. So shout out to Ali
Quigley and Vani Sloot. I don't know how y'all did it.
Shout out to uh Do Wanna and Ellis Thomas. I
don't know how y'all did it. Now I'm against it
because you get mad at your spouse. And this is
why Coach Wall said, we don't do that, which he said,
(37:10):
I can tell the girls who have a boyfriend and
the girls who don't. Your boyfriend is gonna come and
rebound for you at night. Your girlfriend is not gonna
do that. She doesn't want to come to the gym
and rebound for your night. She wants to cuddle in
kids and watch movies. And I thought, my dad, I
like that so true. Now, as far as to answer
your question directly. You get mad at each other, then
you don't want to pass the ball to each other.
(37:32):
People on a team know you're upset, or you had
an argument that night. You on this side of the bench,
she on that side of the bench, when usually you
guys sit next to each other in the bed. It's
too much separate. Teammates should not date go on another team.
And I haven't seen one, not a one. Correct me
if I'm wrong. Anybody who is dating on a team
(37:53):
win a championship, I haven't seen it.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Did slow and quickly win it when Candice Parker was
all at time team for the Sky.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Was correct me if I'm wrong, if that happened.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Let me see soccer is so different.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Like soccer is you have like the national team and
you have like three or four couples on those teams,
and like, have they won it? They've won the World
Cup with those girls on the team.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Yeah, then I guess that's wrong.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
I don't know if soccer, but maybe it's a different
culture too. It's it's they're bigger rosters. You know, it's
twenty five roster versus like an eleven roster. You know,
you have more opportunities to get away.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
So Chicago did win Chip in twenty twenty one with
Ali and Slut. But I feel like Ali and Slot
were like different, right, you know what I mean? Like
not messy, They were like a grown They were like
a grown couple.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
They handled it well out of anybody I've seen the
maturity how they handle it. They didn't let that. I
don't think they bought it to work. Maybe that's the thing.
Don't bring it to work. Turn on your business button,
and then afterwards you can turn to your romance button.
But you could tell the ones that are bringing the
romance on the court because they're like passing to the
ball each other. Boom boom uh uh uh she get
(39:12):
better cheers than your teammate.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Come on, man, Well, there's a lot of there's a
lot of people hoping that Page and Asy are in
a relationship and they want a title in Connecticut.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
You fight, you fight one of them. The other one
comes like a Diana, like you got into it with Penny,
Come Diana, right. I can't, man, I can't.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Speaking of Paige though, as a former Rookie of the Year,
what does that resume need to look like to win it?
Because she's got an eighty five percent chance of winning
right now according to Vegas and one damn win.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Who Who's who's in the running with her?
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Her and Kiki Erie Fin.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Okay, so I run the Rookie of the Year and
playing half a season because the beginning out of play
so much so I didn't have any sets, and Shamika
Holstok got hurt, and I won the Rookie the Year
because the wanted Bonna was supposed to win it and
plan half a season, so there's still plenty of time
for page. All she has to do is put up
the numbers. Just hit that. Yeah, it takes time to
(40:16):
hit that. Like, Okay, I figured it out. Now that
you had this thirty point game, Let that be the
mark that Okay got it, figured it out. Smooth sailing
from here. Your Rookie of the Year numbers is gonna be
like it's gonna be a no brainer if you just
keep this this type up. Get over the fighting, get
over you guys are not losing, and just make it
up in your mind. Like, Okay, if we lose the
(40:36):
rest of the season, at least let me just get
my numbers. So I give win the Rookie of the Year.
You might as well do that. Get something out of it.
Don't just have a losing season and not win Rookie
of the Year. Get get something.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
How important are those wins?
Speaker 3 (40:46):
We at least won over five hundred, so we had
We weren't like the top, but we were in the
middle of the pact.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
If they go the whole season and win three games
the whole year, I mean, yeah, like how valuable can
you look at her her rookie season in that sense,
like if they're.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Yeah, when you look at like how well she played
even during those losses. So you can't lose and just
have like fifteen points. You gotta be like putting up numbers.
If you're gonna win Rookie of the Year and and
only won three games, it gotta be some numbers like, Okay,
she scored forty though she the best rookie. You get
what I'm saying, Even if you have a losing season
and that's what your numbers, because obviously it's showing like yo,
I'm i'm I'm I'm a baller. I just don't have
(41:23):
the help to thee right now, but I can ball.
So that's what she got to prove. If not, then
somebody else is gonna win it. They're gonna have good
stats and winning, So you gotta put up numbers for
that to subsidize losing.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Do you think that, uh, the overall because it's Page.
Everything that we know about Page, because Page was almost
like Caitlyn before Caitlyn, right, she had the hype.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Everybody was like.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
She's the next real one up and then obviously she
had all those injuries. Do you think that if Page
is putting up twenty five a game with some with
some moments where she's popping like she did the other game,
do you think because she's Paige she can do less
in her rookie year and still win it.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
M that is deep a little because you know the
dumb Bay now they want to They're basing a lot
of stuff off the politicalness of popularity. You know who's
going to help us continue to make money in the
dumba with their popularity. Maybe the SPI's right, it's like
the voting comes from the popularity more so. Like Clarisa
Shields was mad at Angeurie. She's like, I thought it
(42:27):
goes off accolades. Yes, Clarissa, you have more accolades for sure,
but this popularity contest, so that that all plays a
part in it, you know what I'm saying. Like Haley
van leif she's a decent player, all right, is her?
Is she is that players out there that maybe better
than Haley belief? I believe so they're not popular.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
We had this conversation when we were talking about Caitlyn
Chen at the Valkyries early on before the season even started,
before she got cut. That was you know about that
popularity of the players. And Trista said the same thing
about Hailey van Lyft, like Haley van Lyt, Hailey maan
Lyft is my eye.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
If Hailey van had ten thousand followers, would she be
in the league?
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Let me ask you that, I don't think so. What
do you think?
Speaker 4 (43:17):
I don't think so honestly, when she's.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
We just talked about her true talent, take away the followers.
It's just from her talent right now. Would she be
in the league if she only had ten thousand followers?
If there was another girl out here who was just
as talented as Haley van.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Leaf, Yeah, I think if Jajah Kelly, if Dajah Kelly
was dating an NBA player. And we had heard about
Dajah Kelly because she was lighting it up at Louisville
and then she changed schools and she was like this
big star and she had two hundred and fifty thousand followers.
Dajah Kelly is good enough to be in the league.
I think Dajah Kelly is better than Hailey van Lyft.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
But she just nobody knew about her.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
She went to Oregon as a transfer as a senior,
and like she did a little something in the turn.
But when these gms are drafting, they're not thinking about
daj Kelly, but they're just like, oh, oh, Haley, Then
let's played with Angel.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
This is like a narrative. We can put them back together.
They can be teammates, run the LSU. Think back. That
didn't work the first time around.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Because this didn't happen during our time because when I played,
it was Twitter just came out. It was this new
thing called Twitter. It's like, okay, write something on there
every now and then let the fans keep up with you.
I was like, what Twitter, I'm like, write something. So
now what players have to do since we're in a
different time, you have to go to marketing classes when
you're in school, go to marketing classes. How do I
(44:35):
get my engagement up, my following up, so that even
though I know I'm just as good as this player,
but she got more following, or I'm even better, I
gotta get my following up so this political thing they do,
it ain't gonna affect me. So kids get we get
we dropping. You'll gym work on your engagement, work on marketing,
work on how to boost so when it's your turn,
(44:57):
you ain't got to deal with I'm better than her,
but she's in because everybody knows her because of her following.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
It feels like it starts in high school now too,
with nil, Like you know, you get recruited based on
follower counts.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Now in a lot of ways, it seems like it's clout.
It's kind of like ten years ago Shack didn't do
a podcast when none of the bus where were you guys?
We don't act like we never reached out to y'all
for help and marketing.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
I gotta I gotta bring this up to you. Did
you see so?
Speaker 2 (45:26):
When Shack went on Angels pod, he said, the best
thing for the w is I want to see all
y'all little booty shorts and I want to lower the
rim and I want to see your ash jiggling. He
said that to Angel Reese. They both went to LSU.
He's like a supposedly like her father figure.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
To me, I blew his ass up on.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Instagram and then he blocked me and sent me a
bunch of nasty words about how I was taking something
too seriously.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
I don't know, did you see that? Is that not
out of pocket?
Speaker 3 (46:01):
It's out of pocket and it's like it's clout and
it's like, I'm gonna give y'all an example. One of
my favorite singers. I went to this concert. This is
before Vegas won the championship. I ain't even put his
name out there. I said, Yo, you gotta come to
a game. I knew him from playing in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
It was wasn't it was Usher, Yo.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
I'm like, yo, come to a game before we want
a championship. I'm like, yo, come to a game. Like
he said, Oh man, I gotta go to LA and
record as soon as I'm not on a team now,
because like I heard, they didn't bring you back. You
on line. Oh, Asia Wilson, I gotta come to a game.
You went the game next week. I know I invited
you to a game. It's clout.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Then they were all on stage with them.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
Thank you, support before. You don't have to wait till
the Cloud is there to support. Just support because I
invited you. You know what I'm saying, and you all
want to Oh yeah, I gotta come to a game now. Yeah,
I'm gonna be there. Okay, all that all we see,
all of that so much shot kick me when I
got into it with Gilbert Arenas. Okay, we had out
(47:01):
back and four words. I never seak never hit me before.
I didn't have been injured twice. I didn't have two
a cl i'dn't been depressed. I've been trying to make
it back to the league. Yeah, man, don't worry about
gil He just do. And good luck on your comeback.
I've been trying to come back for three years. You
tell me good luck on my comeback because I went
viral because I said something to gil So it's Cloud.
(47:23):
It's Cloud. So guess what girls, since they want Cloud,
give him the Cloud, play the game, go to marketing class,
figure it out, boost yourself, boost that following, give him
some Cloud, get into it. What did you say that
fake article shit.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yep a Wnba said, heil get sentailed.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Tell your motherfucking self because that's what they want. And
so you get in because it's not based off your
talent no more. Let's keep it real. You can be
as good as you want to be. You don't have
to follow your not in.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
That was what I think created the ultimate firestorm, right
is you had two incredibly talented players in their own
rights and Angel and Caitlin not to bring it back,
and then you had a like that viral moment that
you were talking about, and that viral moment has created
(48:16):
clout and and listen. I think Angel's supremely talented at
what she does and what she's good.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
At, but without that cloud.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
In that moment, does Angel Reis get a podcast? Does
Angel Reis get Reese's pieces shoes from Reebok?
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Does Angel Reese on the cover of Voke? Is Angel
Reese on the board of the met gallup?
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Because you guys, Because because you guys didn't check. Angelice
was injured at Maryland. She was trying to transfer. I
call her. I was like, yoa, I want to get
you a Louisville. And it's the story behind that that
I can't even ever repeat, And Hayley was listen. She said, yeah,
I would love to. I'm interested. Can you have coach
Wats call me? I called her. She was Nobody was
(49:01):
checking on injuries. She was injured. Nobody gave her podcast,
nobody gave her endorsements. She wants to alice you to
do this. So my thing is like she was always
that same player. She was the same player in Maryland
that she is now. No difference clout that's what America wants.
Then you gotta just give it to them, because it's
(49:23):
just not based off the principles of I work hard,
I'm really good at this game. I can help a team.
I'm that damn good. It's gotta be she gotta have
some clout behind her, especially with women. If she looks good,
you could be not even a good player.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
You look like a model, like the Covender twins in Miami.
You saw them, the twins.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
You know, men, the men could be as ugly as
they want to be if they're good. See that's the
difference in men. They can if they're good, they're gonna
get what they deserve if they're good. It's not like
that in women. I'm good, I should be in a team.
I'm not getting what I deserve. I'm not able to
retire the way I want. You know what I'm saying,
a lot of women are not getting with deserve. You
gotta be pretty, have some cut around you. Why is
(50:06):
these stipulations on women's basketball or women's sports, Why can't
they just be damn good in their in.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
That's I feel like the age old question, you know,
why can't talent ever be good enough?
Speaker 2 (50:18):
And also Kate Martin, Kate Martin got in, and I
like Kate again, I like Kate Martin.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
Kate Martin's a good wing. She can play defense, She's
a good like glue piece doing some things on the Valkyries.
But if she's not, she's not Caitlyn Clark's teammate and
on those big stages where they're getting all these ratings.
And this is what I said about Kitlyn Chen. I
was like, if Kate Martin.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Can make the league by being friends or teammates of
Caitlyn Clark, then Kitlyn Chen should get in because she's
friends and teammates with Pagebeckers.
Speaker 4 (50:49):
It's slightly different though the Kate Martin not only is
it that she was teammates right with Caitlyn at Iowa
and went on that whole run. But it's kind of
a little bit and now it's it is different because
I'm not comparing.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
She's also got the cloud of the lesbians.
Speaker 4 (51:06):
That's what I was gonna say, So you have that.
It's kind of that Page Becker's effect right where it's
like Page's tiktoks are not about basketball. They are thirst traps.
That's all they are.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
It's they're just thirst traps.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
And her doing the you know, the hands and then
it's four million likes and one hundred thousand comments just
being like Page, I love you. You know, that's all
it is. And Kate Martin, she debuted her hot girlfriend. Yep,
she got drafted and now you know she like gets
(51:41):
her own team essentially to start up with the Valkyries.
And you've got like, and this girl went from being
someone on no one's radar to being the key player
to start a brand new franchise. Yeah, in twelve months
because she was a hot lesbian. And I'm not saying
like anything about Kate Martin, but that's what got her
(52:03):
attention to start with.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
There you go, she was a.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Hot masculine lesbian.
Speaker 4 (52:08):
That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I mean, and
not again not that's not shit talking Kate Martin.
Speaker 3 (52:13):
But no, it's it's you gotta women. You gotta put
a plan behind your play. I guess that's what we're
gonna call it, the plan behind your play. Figure out
this marketing plan. Men don't have to do it. You're good,
You're gonna get it, get whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
But the women is just you want to know who's
really good at this?
Speaker 2 (52:30):
And I was trying to figure out a way to
get this in somehow, but there was really no news
behind it. But now that we're talking about marketing, this
has been brilliant in the last like three weeks to me.
Have you seen Courtney Williams and Tish Heataman and they're
a little podcast that they started. They're doing videos from
the hotel called called stud Buds.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
I saw that.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
And they're just shipping.
Speaker 3 (52:55):
They figured it out.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
They figured it out, right.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
They're figuring it out. They sell Okay, we gotta we
gotta people like drama putting the plan behind the play.
Speaker 4 (53:06):
And they're doing it the right way because they're not
trying to market themselves like outside of what they're good at,
like they're good at that comedy, like they're good at
that relatability. I watch them, I'll watch a clip and
I'll watch it like three or four times, and I
laugh at something different every single time because I'm like,
I just caught that, Like it's I mean, they're hilarious.
(53:29):
And I think that's what we need more of, like just.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
That really authenticity, like yeah, yeah, just relatability and just
like not doing it because it is a lot of
people like to have it because of this, you know,
in a cliche way, that's what you need. People relate
to that that that.
Speaker 4 (53:49):
Way people want to feel like they can go up
to you and talk to you.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
Even though Courtney has scraps, Now Courtney Corney, didn't she
get didn't she get it? An garter in Atlanta?
Speaker 3 (54:02):
Wasn't it was doing a lot in Atlanta. But she
was doing a lot of We had a video on
her out and about in the crowd, like in some
parking lots, So she was doing a lot. I think
she needed to get out of this environment. You know,
hookah every day with dinner is just not not it.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
You could see it.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
Boy in the championship too, because she was winded, she
was super She always.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Wondering what that was. It must have been must have
been the hookah because she was she was losing it.
I love Courtney though, She's hilarious hookah.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
So yeah, the Minnesota environment is what she needs. She
needs to be right there in that kind of environment,
not in atl Shorty having them pepper wings at Magic City.
Speaker 4 (54:42):
Magic City?
Speaker 3 (54:43):
What you know about Magic City?
Speaker 2 (54:45):
You almost need to be you almost need to be
a certain type of player to be able to play
in Atlanta, like just unfazed.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
Yes, well, I have my fun in Atlanta. Don't get
me twisted.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
Okay, what was you doing in Atlanta? Angel? What were
you doing in Atlanta?
Speaker 2 (54:59):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (54:59):
I I've had my sharefare fund in Atlanta. But I'm
almost forty now, so this environment is not for me anymore.
You get what I'm saying. That's why I moved to La.
I'm working on films. I'm a grown ass woman now.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
You know.
Speaker 3 (55:13):
I'm doing grown up things. Atlanta's good for your twenties.
I feel like twenties, early thirties. You want to party
every night, play basketball, have groupies. Anybody got time for
that now? We're grown.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
I didn't know Atlanta had groupies.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
Oh yeah, you were.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
You were pulling, You were pulling in the twenties, Atlanta,
angel I.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
Pulled everything, honey. Yeah, okay, And that's why I'm just
humbled and saved and I'm in my own little bubble
in LA. Just minded my business done. Did it all?
Been there, done that. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (55:46):
Oh God, God, God, Oh I got That's all I got?
Speaker 1 (55:54):
Is there anything?
Speaker 2 (55:55):
Is there anything around sports at all besides your rant
that you just had that you want to cook on, angels?
Is something up that you see around the league that
you just feel like you want to speak on?
Speaker 3 (56:07):
Yeah? Bring me back, man? What shall take us a
long for? Can I retire in the court? Is y'all
start playing me? By god? I just want to have fun.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
Get this girl? Did you at least play on rival?
Can we at least get you on an un rival roster?
I saw de get there struggling. You got better handles
than dere can handle.
Speaker 3 (56:28):
Y'all. Let me come back and retire, and wait, I
want at least got three years left. Let me come
back and play this game. I have so much fun, guys,
this was fun, so fun. This was a blast. We
gotta do it again.
Speaker 4 (56:37):
We'll have to do it again, definitely.
Speaker 1 (56:39):
This is all the time that we have this episode.
Let her shoot big.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
Thanks to Angel mccartree, Olympian Rookie of the Year speaking facts.
Get your branding up, Atlanta dream legend. Uh, that's all
the time we have this week.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
Come back next week. There's me tons of tea.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
Uh NWSL talk other sports to cover that we didn't
have the chance to today.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Sarah, did you have fun?
Speaker 4 (57:07):
I had a blast. I had a blast. I'm always
happy to be around. I'm always happy to be around
someone from Baltimore. I gotta tell you it just it
makes my heart happy.
Speaker 1 (57:18):
Two ladies with crabs, Matt, I.
Speaker 3 (57:22):
Had a blast.
Speaker 4 (57:23):
Man.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
We're gonna take our crabs and just go. You know,
do we do eat our crabs? We leave in Trista
at home.
Speaker 2 (57:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (57:29):
I mean, unless you can keep up, Unless you can keep.
Speaker 1 (57:32):
Up, I hope, I hope I can keep up. I
need to learn. I need to nails.
Speaker 4 (57:36):
Those nails gotta go. You can't do the you can't
do the crabs with the nails, Trista.
Speaker 3 (57:42):
You know, cut those down, baby.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
Cut those down. Angel is a real one. I just
want everybody to know.
Speaker 2 (57:52):
If you think Angel's funny right now, Angel's like ten
X funny in real life. I had a UFC event
with her and we got to see our very first
fight live in action. Angel was ready to scrap for me,
and I was like, oh, yeah, now I know what
kind of player Angel was. In the w if someone
would have pulled my hair.
Speaker 1 (58:11):
If the Angel Angel would have beat.
Speaker 3 (58:13):
That girl's ass, I would have beat her as.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
All right, y'all, we'll see you next week.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
Big thanks to Angel, Big thanks to Sarah, Big thanks
to Stacy for filling in as our producer.
Speaker 1 (58:26):
And we'll see you next time. Everybody say it for me,
let our shoes. I'm a hot girl.
Speaker 3 (58:32):
I gave anything I want.
Speaker 4 (58:34):
This is my world.
Speaker 3 (58:35):
I make big moves in my big hus Since I
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