Miss Jill Whelan: Love Boat Legend on the Lido Deck

Tori reunites with Jill Whelan for stories that are next-level. The two discuss forgotten roles, childhood crushes and behind-the-scenes secrets of iconic TV sets. They get real about marriages, divorces, and motherhood. Plus a surprising, shared dream … yup, it possibly involves CHARO.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Misspelling with Tori Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Bhie, Hello, how are you? I am okay? I had
to be good good? Oh my gosh, high aging backwards?
What the heck? God?

Speaker 3 (00:30):
I wish I had a filter for every day?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Right, yeah, I don't have one now.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
I don't know how to do it on this zoom thing.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
But what else? What are you gonna do? I'll just
move quickly and it'll that's how you really look. This
is so unfair.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
You're very cute. You look great. Oh my gosh, thank you.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
When is the last time I saw you? Were we like?
We were obviously not of drinking age yet.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
So I believe Tell me if this is some memory
I create in my brain that I was with you guys,
with my dad.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Something was happening and you were pregnant. Could this be it? God,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
If I me.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
And my dad, why would I be there? Though I
can see it right now we're at somebody's house.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
God, I don't I'm trying to remember if I was
pregnant and I saw you and your dad. I can't remember.
Let's talk about how amazing your dad is. By the way,
was I know I loved him?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
So much.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Oh my goodness. So I was trying to like go
back in my memory. It's so bizarre to grow up.
I mean, I grew up literally thinking of you.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
As like the idyllic big sister. And we're only seven
years apart. I know it's.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Gonna say your age whatever. Everyone can, you can. I
don't care either, fifty nine. I'm fifty two. But in
my mind, like I just always looked up to you
like I had a younger brother.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
I didn't have a big sister. I was just like you,
and it was the same age. I know, it just
when I was little.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
It just seems I know, when you book, but when
we're young like that, it seems so you know, five
years seems like a delta. Ten years seems well it's
another generation.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, yes, exactly.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah, So, oh my goodness, I get it.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
So I was sorry, I'm tm I, but we'll catch
up fast. I was sitting on the toilet this morning.
It was just every one too.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yes, okay, but I have all my creative like thoughts
and a lot of floodback memories come on my toilet.
So grateful for my toilet, my throne. And I was
sitting there and I was like, wait, wait, wait, Love
Boat was not the first show you did for my dad?

Speaker 3 (02:48):
You know, I did?

Speaker 2 (02:50):
I did?

Speaker 3 (02:50):
That was my first one.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
I know, I know.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
It was such a sweet little show. I loved it
so much.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
I want to go, how how does one view something
like that? You would think I would have the library
because it's my father.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I do not. I would wonder that myself, but I
think it might.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
You know, I've never googled it, but I would imagine
it has to be out there somewhere in the utubes.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
I mean, I don't know. I've never knew either, but
that's my next assignment. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
When I'm on the toilet, perfect, Oh good. We should
text each other and see what happens this Wait.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
I always have my phone in the toilet. You never
know what could happen when I might need it.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Right, I talked to my chat GPT and create lots
of projects on the toilet.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
I love that. I love that idea.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
I was just chat gpting what should I put in
wedding gift baskets for my son who's getting married in
Costa Rica. Literally before I was on the phone with you.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Your your kids are gorgeous. Sorry, I've gone down the
rabbit hole on your Instagram, and.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Oh, thank you. They are they're they're good looking kids.
So I'm I didn't keep any of the husbands, but
I did keep the kids. May I quote that, you
absolutely can't. You can also quote what my grandmother used
to say, which is that because I'm on my third marriage,
but I finally got it right third times a time,

(04:13):
my grandmother for me twice.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Of course.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Well, my grandmother always said that marriages are like pancakes.
You have to throw the first one out.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Wow. Wait, and she did, literally literally she did. She did.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, so I come by.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
You never go right the first time.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
God, I'm not the person I was in my twenties.
I mean, well, my first marriage was such a crazy thing.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Though. God, I don't even I've ever talked about this.
But you were married young public.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
No, I wasn't. But I was married at twenty eight.
But I was a very young twenty eight because I
was working for your father and I never got to date,
have time to date. I was very sheltered. This guy
was I can talk about him now because he's no
longer on this planet. But which had nothing to do

(05:10):
with me. By the way, he uh, he told me
he had a gold mine. And why wouldn't I believe him?
Because I worked for your father and that group of
people that seemed perfectly normal. Robert Wagner would drive to
work driving the ex Caliber car. You know, I mean
it was.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Oh those were the days.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
Those were the days. I know, I know.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
So he said he had a gold mine, yes, really,
not like mining, like literally like he was that.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
He had invested in Africa, in a plot of land
that had a gold mine that he was trying to
get the financing for.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
So, yes, in Africa, okay, yeah, And you were like, okay, great, yes,
I want.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
To leave you.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Okay, you know, but you know, what are you going
to do? I got a beautiful kid out of it.
I would do the whole thing again to get my AE.
So and now he's getting.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Married, congratulations, thank you, thank you. Oh my gosh, your
babies eighteen, seventeen, fourteen, thirteen, and eight.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Okay, So you're not going to be an empty nester
anytime soon?

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Oh God, I hope not.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
It's so interesting because I feel like we have such
that traditional stigmatism of like they turn eighteen, they leave
the nest, Like people say to my son Liam all
the time. Oh you're eighteen, now, when are you moving out?
And I said, whoha, no.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
No, no, no, wait wait.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
There's there's a lot of cultures and families where the
kids stay in the family until marriage, like you don't.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
And I'm like that, you know, I'm like.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Stay if you want to stay, don't feel the pressure
like you're eighteen you have to get an apartment, a job, move.
I encourage you to follow your passions and I want
you to work and be successful and do all that.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
But there's no timeline anymore.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah, old fashion, And I agree with you. And it's
funny because when my I would have had them live
at home forever. But my youngest is in college. But
my older one, when when the pandemic happened, moved back in.
So we had my husband's two sons who were older,
and my two sons. We had all four boys in

(07:28):
the house, and I was just the best thing ever.
It's just the best thing ever. Football season would happen,
and my husband's a former NFL player, and so all
the boys would be sitting there watching football, and I'd
be in the kitchen cooking, and it was just like
I love this more than anything else.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
It's the best now it's in my dream.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, and it's now they're both not the football part.
I don't like that part. I mean it's funny.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Is he okay with that?

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Oh yeah, I mean I'll I'll watch it. But here's
what happened is they all are playing fantasy football now.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
So it's not like.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
In the old days where you root for one team
and then everybody's like whoo, it's your rooting for one
player on this team and another player on this team.
So I think the only thing I can do because
both my future daughter in law and my present daughter
in law from my husband's son just decided to.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Ooh, you just lost me. Wow, that was a lot.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
I know.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
I don't well.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
My husband's eldest son is married to a goal my
son is about to be married. Both of those women
have now shamed me because they both are doing fantasy
football with their husbands or fiancees. And now I'm like.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Oh, crap, I suppose I should probably get into fantasy football,
so I can, you know, have something to talk about.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
I love that I know nothing about fantasy football of
guy friends that play, and I'm just like I don't know.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
I don't know anything about it either, but you know,
and I'm only doing it so that I can be
in the conversation when they start talking about their players,
you know, who's on the bench, all the stuff that
I'm like, but can you.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Still cook when people are doing fantasy football?

Speaker 1 (09:17):
That's all I care about, Like, yes, you can still
have like a time together. Absolutely, absolutely, What are they
like this and then you can still yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yeah, well they just watch the screen and then they
watch their phone, and you know, they just that. There's
a something called I know this, We're going down a
rab hole. That's you're never going to use it again.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
There's something called red zone.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
I like this shit. Okay, go on, okay, good.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
It's something called red zone. And red zone is where
they's it's everything that happens right before the goal line
in football, and they call that box the red zone.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's a show.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
And they do a quad screen so you have like
four games playing at the same time so that you
could act actually see what your players are doing and
how they're scoring.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
It's I mean, it's a huge thing.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
So yeah, can we create a version? Sorry, I like ideas.
I am my father's daughter. Could we create a version
of this with something that actually interests us?

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Do we want to do it about the housewives? Do
we want to do it? You know how many times
somebody's going to flip a table? Oh oh, do we
want to do it about HGTV or Food Network?

Speaker 2 (10:30):
I mean, oh I love food? I do too, You
do too? Okay, my love language sameh.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
My cook all the time.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
And that fast fashion that's happening now, that fast fashion.
I sage myself the other day I said the TikTok
and my brother who's only five years younger than me,
he goes, whoa, he's got old real fast.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yes, but you didn't talk about the Facebook, so you're
okay the way? Yeah, just getting I'm remember my Space,
Oh so so long ago, so very very long ago,
right up there with Yahoo. Yeah. Weed. One question, one question,

(11:17):
I was I have like an eaxilient for you.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
When you met your husband and you knew he was
a football player, did you feel the need you have
to act interested in football, do your research or play
along or be like I gotta tell you right now,
it's not my jam.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
It's so I did act like I am guilty of
acting like I liked it more than I did. However,
the caveat is I'm into college ball, specifically USC college ball.
Our whole family went to SC. But again, it goes
back to the fact that if I can like root

(11:56):
for a whole team like a game, then I'm inclined
to be more interested. It's this fantasy caveat that gets
in there, and you're not rooting for any team.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
You're rooting for.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
A player hoping that he's going to get this many
yards or he's gonna catch this many passes, you know,
So it's not it just changes the whole thing for me.
So I really now I don't really care because nobody
roots for one team. So but I still like USC. Okay,

(12:28):
So yeah, it's very complicated my love and hate for football.
So my answer is, yes, I pretended a little bit,
and then you know, once you put a ring on it,
I'm like, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Know with everything in life.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Gosh, well, I will say I will say that that's
okay to do. But what I have learned from having
been divorced.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Twice is what I don't like.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
So when I met my husband, I had gotten to
the place where I really was just like I, you know,
to pretend to be this and pretend to do this
and all of those things.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
That's not me anymore.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
And I I'm gonna put myself in another position where
I find somebody who's doesn't like me for myself. So
I'm just gonna be me and I and I'll be
much happier uncoupled and happy than in a couple and lonely.
So I think we both got to that place, which

(13:28):
is why it worked out.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
It's and I've said this many times, and I've just
realized this obviously. I just got officially divorced. We were
together married for eighteen years. I am not sure, and
I know it works for some people as lifers. For me,
it the person I created humans with is not the
person I want to at this point my next chapter

(13:53):
spend the rest of my life with.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Well, I think it's great that you know that. Yeah,
it's important.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
And you know, the more clarity you have going out
into the universe now in this new season of your life,
the easier it's going to be for you to you know,
no swipe, swipe, left, left, swipe. You know it's gonna
be a lot on a dating app. Yet you haven't.
What do you think about those? I never met anybody,

(14:22):
that's what.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Okay, that's what everybody so when So obviously, when my
my ex husband and I met like these, it wasn't
I guess it was a thing, but not, it wasn't
a thing. And then I had single friends and I'd
be like fascinated.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
I'm like, give me your phone, let me swipe for you,
let me get like. I was just obsessed with it.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
And then when it was time like oh I can
freely do this, I just froze, and I'm like, I
don't know. But now I hear everyone says, oh, yeah,
I never met anyone. It's the conversations lead nowhere.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
And my husband was like, I would never go on
a dating app. But then again, I'm like, yeah, because
you were at the time fifty something and successful, you
didn't you had girls coming to you all the time.
You didn't need a dating app. You know. It's the
waters I think are different. I don't know how my
son met his fiance on a dating app. My sister

(15:17):
met her life partner on a dating app.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
So I don't know. Okay, well, good news is you
don't need one. Yep. That is true. That's for me.
I don't know what the future I know.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
I just liked the idea of meeting somebody through somebody.
Still I'm old fashioned that way, so I yeah, you
just they have a provenance because you know where they
come from and who that you know. The person who
set him up with me, or set us up was
my high school prom date from the Buckley School by

(15:56):
the way, where you went to.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
I did not go to Buckley, but my brother did.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Oh okay, yeah, that's who who set us up. And
he said, do you want to meet this girl? She's
an actress. He goes, I want to meet an actress.
And then he said to me, do you want to
meet this guy? He used to be a former football player,
And I'm like, no, I don't want to meet an athlete.
Absolutely not. And he said to both of us, just

(16:22):
go out with them.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
They're you. They are you, and it's the truth. We've
been together since our first date. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, see, And that's what could happen if you're on
an app. Like I have friends, I have actor friends,
and they're like, oh yeah, people always put like no actresses,
you know, and it's.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Like there you go. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you're prom
date from Buckley. This is wild.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
I can't believe, first of all, you stayed in touch
with your prom date from Buckley.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
You know, it's we've been friends for and I think
when COVID happened. I don't know if this happened to you,
but our whole little Buckley High school group kind of
used to have weekly zoom calls, you know. I think
we all did that looking for some kind of connection
during the pandemic, but and we just still were still
on a text three strain. I just texted Laura Dern,

(17:22):
who was one of my best friends in high school,
about her mom, and then somebody else texted was somebody's
birthday two days ago? I mean, it's just a fun yeah, yeah,
we're all close.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Oh my god, COVID strain equals COVID chain.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
But you are your father's do what a writer.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
That's weed.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
That's a good one. Wait, Wie, how old were you
when the Love Boat ended?

Speaker 2 (17:58):
All told nineteen?

Speaker 3 (18:01):
I think, but that's with a couple of specials in
between the specials. Yes, I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
And you were eleven when you started on the show.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, I'm not making a clever segue here, I'll go
back and forth all over the place.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
You'll see this is that's right. I have add so
don't worry about.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Well, I haven't been diagnosed, but something.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Wait, so you how did you go to school.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
I went to school on the set. I had tutors.
But then my mom was really good about making sure
that if I was working in the morning, I'd go
to school in the afternoon, or if I didn't have
to work until the late afternoon, I'd go in the morning.
Days off I would go and do it. And every
summer high school production I was in the shows.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
So she was.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Really good about trying to keep some semblance of normalcy
as much as you could.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
You know, wait, we sound like the same human, same thing,
the same thing. When I started nine O two and oh,
the whole caveat my mom was like, because I went
to Westlake School for Girls which is now Harvard West,
like I was graduating class, and she was very like, yeah,
I'd be on set, and then the days off I

(19:21):
went back to Westlake. I did all the school productions
while I was doing nineot and oh, and I at
the time, I was like, oh, this is so much,
and I was I got to the point the final year,
I was like, I'm not final. It was my senior year,
and I took the GED because I didn't want to
have an on set tutor because I felt like I'm

(19:42):
the young one and you know, everyone else I want
to fit in, right, But again she was like, okay,
you can do that. You still are going to school
on your days off. So it was just so much work,
which I'm sure you were like so tired, had so
much work, but in hindsight, I'm so grateful.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah. I still got that experience and did it me too.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
And that's why when my first husband told me all
that stuff, I was so naive because that's how much
we were both doing that. I had no I just
believe what people said because it seemed possible.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Right, Yeah, Oh my gosh, Okay take me back.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Okay you got casts and friends.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yes, yes, and then that was only on for five episodes,
which I think so insane. Google told me, although she's
not always right sometimes.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Well, it was we were up against sixty minutes.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
I read that.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, and I think back in that time or for
whatever reason, they didn't try to switch time slots around,
and you know whatever, it's the way it worked out.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
But it was such a sweet little show.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
It really was a sweet show.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
So what I mean I was reading it and I
was like, Okay, everyone talks about like and this was
like a teen comedy, not teen comedy, pre teen comedy. Yeah,
through the perspective of the kids, like through their views
in different kids, three families, the Three families, which is
super innovative. Everyone talks about like you know later on

(21:20):
you know, the teen dramas like oh, I mean nine
or two went zero, but like you know, Dawston's create
all of that.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
That you were really the first Like wow, god, well
I guess so, well that.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Was your dad, you know. Your dad just always had
his pulse on what people wanted to see and what
was going to be successful. And it was a really
interesting thing. And the fact that my character's father was
that I was with him that I didn't I wasn't
with the mother.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
I was with the father, which okay, see I don't
know this because I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Yeah, yeah, so that was really interesting.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, that was super interesting. But I didn't know I
was ready for it yet. No, I did not like
the actor who played my father, who played your father.
Oh god, I.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Can't remember his last name, but it was Dennis something. Sorry,
that's my dog.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
He's he is a Great Pyrenees and he's very very
takes his job very seriously to guard the house. I
had a great Pyrenees. He didn't take its job very seriously.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Oh my god, he is he is, buddy, Come over here.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
No, he doesn't listen, he.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Never lived, sings.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
He's a lap dog. Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely, yeah, on
your face. And there's so much, so much.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Oh, I know, he's I got a great Pyrenees when
we used to have a lot of animals, and uh,
we had a lot of chickens. And he's in an area
where we lived at the time. And I was told,
great pyrenees protect the flock.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yes, that's their job.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
I just love animals.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
But it was a great excuse at the time to
tell my then husband, I'm sorry, I have to get
this dog to protect the flock.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yes, from the coyotes.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yes, I know. I guess it was the first to
kill the chicken. Oh no, no, oh, sweet baby.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Well did he did he go to remedial school or
did she go to remedial garden?

Speaker 1 (23:23):
It was like no, and it was like it was
a game, and in all honesty, I think perhaps she
was trying to protect the chicken. I'm because she grabbed
the chicken and threw it down a hole.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
And so she didn't bite it. The chicken had a
heart attack.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Oh but I was like, Okay, in some weird way,
perhaps she thought I gotta save the chicken and throw it.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, anyway, Oh I want I got to see you.
Look at this.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Look at him? Look at him? Do you see him?

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Buddy, you're in trouble. You come lay down right here.
Oh no, see, well he's smallish. Oh no, he's a
big boy.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
He's taller than me on his hind lips.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
No, no, not at all.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
You know boys in size you know.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Tell me about it. I know, I know.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
No, he's a you go lay down, mister, you're not
going out. I'm sorry, I'm really sorry.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Oh they are so beautiful. They are. I mean, we're
going to try it again and get another one. Oh
you must.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
I'll tell you who who to find, because there's so
many well, there's so many rescues.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yes, race nearing knees.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
That people I don't know how where it is in
their brain that they don't connect thinking this is going
to be a big dog. If you google what a
great pyode is is, you'll understand they're the size of
a bus literally. Yes, yes, you know those big buses
in LA that have like the accordion thing in the middle. Now,

(24:55):
like when they turn a corner, there's like an accordion. Yes, yet,
well that's I honestly feel that's like this dog.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yes, my boy.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
So do you feel like that's why people get them
and then just discard.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Oh my god, it breaks my heart. So he's going
to get a sister at some point, so we will
find him a sister, and you know, it'll probably be
a sister who that's what happened. I would have forty
of them if I could, but I would like to
have I wanted to do some beekeeping. My husband said,

(25:29):
no beekeeping.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
I've always wanted to do that. I know.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
I would very much like to have a donkey. I
would very much like to have a miniature Highland cow.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Me too.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
My husband just I keep sending him these pictures and saying,
you know, relationship goals, but it's you know, it seems
silly that we have the guard dog for these beautiful
animals and he doesn't get to guard anybody but the
two of us.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
So, oh my goodness. Well hmm, but do you consider chickens?
They really are that don't listen to my story.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
I would love chickens. I would love it.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
You could tell your husband this because I've had many
incarnations of chickens. They are super easy and grete pets.
I find them to be super smart. And you can
make a mobile coop. You could do something that's not
It doesn't have.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
To we have the space for it. It's about the
I would like to be a gentleman chicken farmer where
I'm not the one who's cleaning out the stalls. So
that I thought, well, what if I just put out
a huge sheet of plastic, so all I'd have to
do every time I clean it is just pick it
up and throw it at I don't want to do

(26:43):
the dirty part. This is what it is. I'd like
to go in and collect the eggs.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
That is wild. So the old fashioned term I forgot
about this is.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
A gentleman farmer. Yes, this is the life I'm looking for.
I'd like a ranch where I don't muck out the
stalls of the horses. I would like.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yes, yes, I don't want to do any of that.
No pun intended, every pun intended as well.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yes, And if we're going to get into that, I'd
like a llama. I fantasize about having some sheep that
someone takes the wool off, and I'm sitting on my
loom knitting sweaters for Christmas presents. But none of that

(27:37):
is going to be a reality in my life.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Unfortunate.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
I love that you just said that, because everything you
are saying is a dream of mine. But then I
have to reality check and be like, never going to happen.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
But it's a great. Yeah, this is so wild.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
To kind of ish grow up with someone and then
reconnect all these years later and be like, we have
so much in commonness about what blowing my mind?

Speaker 3 (28:01):
We should do a cooking show together.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Oh I would love to, Yes, cooking.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
So do I Ian. I don't mind because the rule
in the house is whoever cooks, either the kids or
if they're not around, my husband will do the dishes.
And that's the rule. When they were you tell my
kids this, it's you know, it's here's what happens. It's
very hard to get them started. But once they realize

(28:29):
that's the answer. Then the fun part is watching them
negotiate it at the table, going, well, I'll do I
don't want to do tonight, but if you do mine tonight,
I'll do yours the next two times. And that's kind
of the fun part. But it's it's hard to get
them to start. But once you get them into the habit,
you know, it's like any habit, it takes what is

(28:49):
it seven days to establish a habit or whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
The rule is is that true? I think so.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
I don't know. Let's ask Google. She seems to have
all the answers.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
I mean, I know, like when you're like on social
or something, it takes someone three times, or when you're
telling someone something three times to really process in their brain.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
But that is unless you're talking to me about math,
and then I will never get it.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Never. I'm not ashamed to say my second grader, I'm out.
I can't do it. But they also do these new
bubble like square things and like.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
The new math.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Oh, oh yeah, you are lucky you got to second grade.
Oh I was out at first grade.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Fine, I was out of kindergarten. I I can't lie
to you.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Oh this is great. I love this friendship. Okay, yeah, no,
no, no no.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
But it's also a little bit like I'm unwilling to
learn and if I say I'm out, oh you know,
I can't do that, and I one of the other.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Kids will have to.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
But I literally look at this new math now that
the second graders have, which is very different even then.
I'm sure when your kids were young. Yeah, like it's
some my older kids, it's different. It's like this new
stuff and I just watch my little bit older kids
trying to help the eight year old and I sit

(30:10):
there on my mom chat drinking wine and we're all like,
what is going on and not doing this, and they're like,
we're going to call the school and just say we're
working moms, we can't do this.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
And we're all like l lol, cheers, drink wine.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
It's like, well, the homework situation is insane because it's
our homework. And this is the part that I didn't
sign up for.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
There's so many things in life I didn't sign up for.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
But okay, yes, yeah, I heard a word.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Well this is a discussion.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
The other day again, it's always the homework conversation, and
a mom at school was like I heard Kim Kardashian
is trying.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
To get a law passed about homework. I was like, well,
if anyone can do it, it's hers.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
So yeah, well I would welcome that, even though mine
are out now. I was lucky because with my older
one had a lot of learning differences, so and he
thinks exactly like I do.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
So for him, you know, it was tutors and tutors
and hours and all of that. With my younger one,
he picks everything up on the first bounce.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Thank god, because as I got older, I thought, oh,
if I have a kid ten years later, I'm going
to have so much more patience. No, I'm just ten
years more tired. Yes, yes, and no patience. So thank
oh god. He never needed help with homework ever.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Yeah, so thank god for that.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Life balanced it out there for you. Yeah, a little
bit of a way. But your kids will have kids,
and we don't want them to have to go through it.
And you're right, and as working parents, it's like we
have so much on our plate and I do feel like,
you know, that's their job. They're there eight hours a day,
Like when they come home, I want them to be

(32:11):
able to have family time and even the second grader
is getting like four pages of homework.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
And I'm like, what the nights, and like, what are you.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Doing during the day, what's happening during the day. And
I really hate the idea that my older son never
had like a finance class. They like they didn't teach
life skills like that, which, oh honey, you are preaching

(32:41):
to the choir. My younger one had it. He went
to Notre Dame High School in LA and they did
have that class where they taught him how to balance
a checkbook. They taught him about stocks and about all
of those things.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
I was like, where was this, I mean, where was
this at Buckley exactly? It was not like.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
I don't get it. And also why don't they have
hall mech classes like cooking classes and all that stuff.
I know, I loved that. I mean I taught my
boys to cook, and I'm sure you taught your kids
to cook too. We yeah, we all cooked together every
single day.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
But it's the checkbook one is a hard one because
and I don't I don't know how it was for you.
But growing up in you know, on screen in the
Hollywood family, like loved my mom and dad, they did
not teach me all right, and my dad maybe, you know,
he was probably I don't think he did it himself,

(33:44):
you know, like my mom was always the finance person
and she's very good at it, and he, you know,
he was the creative and he was working and he
hadn't handled that stuff. But for some reason, you know,
they probably thought my dad really thought she'll be fine,
she'll be fine, Like I didn't. I I like moved
on on my own, not knowing how to write a check.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
You've never been to.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
A bank, And I'm like, wait, So it's uncomfortable at
even fifty two to start because my brain doesn't think
that way to teach my kids. So they're kind of
thing on the go seeing me do it all now,
and I'm like, oh my god, I pray for you.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's and I'm not good at it.
So thank god I have a husband who is good
at it. And it's so different for you and I
than it is for our kids because there's everything's on
your phone now. You don't have to balance a check book.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
All you have to do is look at your phone.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
I mean, they're very lucky in that way, but it
was really hard for us.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I mean, did you have a business manager always I did.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
I had a really good one and then I had
a really bad one. The second one was a bad one.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
But because of that, because people look at me all
the time, like maybe my perception is they're like, are
you dumb? Like how do you not know these things?
And I'm like, we had somebody to do it, someone
was always doing it. And you know, when you're an actor,
especially a young actor, it's just always taken care of,

(35:17):
so you don't learn to do it. You know, we're
learning lines. We're not learning how to balance a checkbook
and bank account and what to pay and what to invest.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
In and all of those things.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah, all of that stuff now, of course not And
you know there's a lot of Charlotte's out there that well,
I don't know if you.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Ever got taken or whether any time did, but I
got to know I've taken so many kindness manager. It
was like my finances went up and down, up and down,
and at the end of the day, you know, when
people would be like, why are you in this position?

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Or what happened with tax is?

Speaker 1 (35:53):
You know, it's my name on there, so I guess
I got to take responsibility. But what I want to
explain to them, is nothing came to my house mail like,
it all went to my business manager.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
It all here. They that was their job.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
They got paid from what I made to handle all that,
and when they didn't and then it went missing, otherwise
that's on them. But people don't understand that. So then
I just you know, I don't sell anyone nowt And
I just go.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
I mean the bottom line is, you're right, the buck
stops here.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, but now we know better. And I'm just gonna say,
I mean, I feel like we know better. Oh my gosh,
so do I, so do I? But yeah, yeah, we
do have like a first memory of my.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Dad, you know, I you know what I just remember
about your dad? Your dad is was just here's my
favorite memory about your dada.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Okay, this is my favorite memory.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
So when I was doing the sho Show and we
would give out Christmas gifts and whatever to everybody, I mean,
your dad was Aaron Spelling. What do you give the
man that has everything? It's very hard to give him something.
So what we would do is do what was.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Coming from our hearts. My mom and I would bake.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
And so she sewed this huge Christmas stocking. It was
as tall as I was, and we just filled.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
It with homemade cookies and banana breads and this, that
and the other thing, and we brought it to the office.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
And Renee was in the front of the office. And
your dad could my dad, yes, who adored.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Aunt Renee for life, because she was always.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yes, yes, loved loved Renee. And he was there with
his pipe and brought in the gift, and he could
not have been more gracious and lovely, like he'd never
seen anything like this, like it was the most precious
thing ever. And so we would always give sweets. And
then I read when he was young. So what I

(38:09):
under the impression of, and you'll have to tell me
if this is true, is that when he was young,
they didn't have a lot of money, and they lived
above a bakery, and at the end of the day
the baker would feel badly for them and bring up
all of the baked goods. So he always associated those
kinds of things with being poor, and he didn't like sweets.
Don't know if that's true.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
But I can answer all of this for you.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Oh good, But I love the story because he was
so gracious and never let that come into his thank
you so when he was receiving those things from us.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
So for some reason, I don't remember this part, but
you could be right, and it's in his book. I'm
sure about living above the Bakery, Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
I'm wonder if that parts here.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
I know they grew up in Browner Street, like literally,
there were like five kids. They lived in one bedroom.
They didn't have shoes, like it was that they were
that poor. Yeah, and he would go and when at
the end of the day, when they would throw it out,
they would take the bread that was thrown out or
left over the next day and take it home and

(39:16):
or perhaps the baker at some point.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Gave it to him. My dad was also a great storyteller, so.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
You know, it sounds great to be like we would
climb in the trash and get it, but they're probably
a little bit of both stories to that. And they
would bring it home and that would be the bread
they would all split and do for like the week,
for like all seven of them. But he did love sweets.
My dad actually loved sweets more than food. Yes, yes,

(39:44):
that's interesting. Yes, I'm trying to think. Did he like
bake stuff? Yeah, I mean he had every morning, he
had his tea and his toast.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
That's how he started his day.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yes, yes, yes, but he loved chocolate, a good ice
cream bar. My mom used to have to negotiate with
him and be like, honey, if you.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Eat your meal like a kid, like here's.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
A genius man, that's like ruling the networks. And at
dinner time, you know, once he got home, she you know,
she took over and she was really good with him,
and you know she'd be like, Okay, if you eat
your meal, you will get and he would love a
Nestley Ice chocolate ice cream bar.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
And he would I love that.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Well. I do remember in his office he had all
of those little biscuit jars full of candy.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
I do remember that.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Oh yeah, dad might have been my mom thing because
she had that.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
That was at our house. Oh okay as well, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Always said can't My friends would come over in their
late teens and lose their minds because my mom would
and this is back you know, back in the day.
She would have jars out on every table in the
house filled with candy. You know, she would have big
cigarette holders filled with cigarettes.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Yes, I remember.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
That, Okay, yep.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
And and then you would like open the refrigerator and
there'd be every soda and everything, and my friends.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Would be like what. And it was so weird because
I grew up like that.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
I never like in my teens, I never like, I
never was eating the candy.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
I never smoked the cigarettes. I was like, you know,
I never was.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
My friends would come over and hide in the pantry
like chugging like Coca cola, and I'd.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Be like, I still have this little lilask cigarette holder.
It's like a little round because I wanted to be
very Your mother was just so glamorous and fabulous, so
I remember having those that it's filled with makeup brushes
now because I'm not a smoker, But yes, yes, your
mother left such an impression on me. She did when

(41:44):
she had her party company. She did my sweet sixteen invitations.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
What yes, oh in spelling Laren spelling.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
She had she had a store in Beverly Hills on
Kemp Drive, and then she litterally, I mean she she
was behind my dad like planning all of his company parties.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
All but sure he did it all and did it.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Herself like she took great pride in that. But yes,
they did invitations. Oh my gosh, they did your sweet sixteen?

Speaker 2 (42:17):
They did, they did it. I know, I know. Oh
my gosh, do you have a copy.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Of one somewhere? Uh I got to look and see.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Uh my mom might have some of that stuff. Did
invitation to my sweet sixteen too?

Speaker 3 (42:34):
They were lavender and and cream. That's what I yeah,
that's what I remember. And the party was at it
was called the Malibu Beach Club, but there was no
beach around. It was in the Malibu Hills. I can't remember.
I think there's like.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
A winery there now, Okay, you know it's in the mountains.
Is it where Klamigo's Ranches?

Speaker 3 (42:58):
No? Maybe maybe I can't remember. I have to ask
my mom. But yeah, your dad and your mom were there.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Oh my goodness, I know, I know. It was so cute.
I remember being a little kid and they had a party.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
It was one of their big, fabulous parties.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
And it was downtown La. I remember that.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
And your mom let me put her her engagement ring on,
or her wedding ring, the.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Big one, the big one, the one when you put
it on, you're like your hand drawn.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Yes, yes, And she let me put it on and
I'm running around this party room and my mother is apoplectic.
She's losing her shit because she's like, come back here,
come back here.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Imagine I mean that thing.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
I mean it wasn't her original engagement ring because my
dad was still building his career, but he kept updating
it in the one I think you're referring to you.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Oh god, I want to know the carrot size.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
It was like thirty nine carrots.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Here you go.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
I remember he gave it to her in a glass
of champagne.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Whoa, I just remember something I didn't remember. In a
glass of chic.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
She is very very Oh my god, very chic.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah yeah, oh my goodness, you were running around.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
That is so classic.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
But like I love that story because you know, I
think my parents people perceived them as like they were
really fun and really like It's hard to explain because
I think from the outside they just see the wealth
and they see, you know, what was it like? But yeah,
it was a crazy wealth, but it was always very

(44:42):
family oriented.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Yes, very much. Your parents were absolute family people that
I that I remember. That's what That's what I remember.
And now doesn't it make more sense that I would
believe somebody had a gold mine. When we're talking about
your mom thirty nine diamond served to her in a
glass of champagne. I mean, it's just it's that's the

(45:04):
way I was back then.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Oh my goodness, did you I'm gonna say, did you
ever of course you did go to Chasin's.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Yes, yes, that was Oh I used to fall asleep
on the Banquettes game. Yeah, we would have been if
we'd been there together, we probably would have been under
the table playing with barbies or something.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Oh my gosh, for sure. I used to be fascinated
as a kid going into that because I mean then,
I'm not sure what people do now, but like, depending
on which parent you go to the bathroom with, little
girls were allowed to go, is it's gonna sound weird
with their dad, and you know, little boys like go
with their mom, like you know whatever. But I remember

(45:51):
going with my head to go to the bathroom and
going into the rest of the male restroom and with
my dad and I just like the Burt Reynolds, Did
you ever go in there?

Speaker 2 (46:04):
No?

Speaker 3 (46:04):
But are you talking about the big poster or on.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
The shag rug and like all his hair out a coverard.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
But it was like in the mail restroom. And then
that's where I first at Chasin saw a urinal and
I was like, what is that? I mean, it was
a high end one. They had like you know, the
ice cubes.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Right right, not the urinal cake.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Oh my god, a urinal cake. I've only seen that
on TV.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Like the place that my parents took me had only
the fine ice and they.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Would always change it out. It would be our generation's
form of like what is the best ice out there? Oh?
All the kids love the Chick fil at ice? You
know this.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
It's like a thing's had, like the perfect cubes. It
was like just the right side. Am I talking about
this right now? I'm so because we started talking about bathrooms.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Oh my god, we did? I know? Okay, Okay, it.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
All goes back to the boys.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
I look for signs, Daly and like everything's meant to be. Okay,
this is just go with it.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Going back to the gifts and the gift that you
and your mom gave my dad. I got to tell
you how much special gifts meant from his actors so on.
So on Christmas Day it was one of his favorite things.
My mom shopped extensively so we would have a huge

(47:27):
Christmas tree and we would have our piles and my
dad was like, not comfortable with gifts, and he was like,
I don't need anything, you know. He wanted us to
enjoy and he loved watching us open everything. But the
one thing he really enjoyed is Renee would pack up
any of his actors' gifts that were sent to him
and as a family we opened those together.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Oh I love that. I'm sure I ate your big goods.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Yes, and he it was like, oh my god. You
could just see the joy and how proud he was.
And he didn't want things he loved. He would read
the handwritten cards out loud, the handmade gifts he would
talk about extensively, and that brought him joy. He didn't
want anything fancy, he didn't want my mom to buy

(48:15):
him anything.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
It was just like he loved it.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
I loved that stuff.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Really special to him. You were really special to him.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Well, he was extremely special to me. I was very
lucky that that was my foray into the business that
we call show. Very lucky because it could have been
a lot of people that were a lot different than
your dad was, I understand. Yeah, So I was extremely lucky.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, well, I'm so excited to reconnect.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Can we talk about the love Boat podcast? Yes you can,
just started.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
We have to have you on, will you yep?

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Course I was on two episodes. I can do.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
I know, I know that God. Actually, yes, yes, we are.
She and I. I did an episode of Celebrity Wife
Swap and we swapped and kind of got reconnected.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Now and I'm finding and watching tonight.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Okay, well we kind of we reconnected and became I
mean I would go over to her house and she
would make paea in her backyard in the huge piea oven.
But it's not an oven that her father built in
her house in Beverly Hills.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Oh my goodness you Okay, So here's my favorite Charles story.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
She had Charol Love's animals, and she's one of the
She's almost solely responsible for getting bullfighting illegal in Spain
and she's almost single handedly did that. And also people
need to understand she's all this Cuci couci stuff. But
she's one of the brightest people I know. She's the
number three classical flamenco guitarist still to this day in

(50:10):
the world. She practices four hours every day. But anyway,
so this is my favorite story, so she rescued a
little bully named Manolo. That was the bull's name before
Manolo blonneck.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
I was gonna say, this has handed me before. Yeah, no, no, no, yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
And in Manolo I think, I don't know what it
means in Spanish, but I think it's like, I don't
know if it means bull.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
But anyway, she and she had it in her house
in Beverly Hills. This is like on Lexington and is
it Lexington and Canon? What's the big corner house? It's
definitely Lexington and I can't remember. But sunset wait, no,
not Sunset.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Where the all the corner?

Speaker 3 (50:53):
No, no, no, no, it's it's north of north of that.
But I think it's like Lexington and Can.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
I think. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
It doesn't matter. It's a house in Beverly Hills.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
These are the details don't focus on exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
So the bull just kept getting bigger. And one day
somebody did not close the bullpen that they built in
the backyard, and the slider was open, and she was
upstairs singing, and all of a sudden she hears this
clip clop, clip clop, and she has satio floors. Her

(51:30):
house is very Spanish.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
What a shock.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
And she sees the bulls starting to come up the
stairs because he hears his mama singing. The thing is,
bulls can climb stairs, but they can't go down them.
So he's halfway up the stairs and her husband Shell,
She's screaming, shell Shell, come help me with me. Now

(51:55):
it's combing up these aves, and all of a sudden
he's pulling on the bowl from behind by the tail,
and she's.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Pushing the bull down the stairs to get the well.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Yeah, so this is this is her life like on
the daily. This is how she lives her life. She
is one of the greatest people ever. Her sister, Carmen
makes all her costumes.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Carmen.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
We went over for paye one night and Carmen had
a pair of lower rise jeans on but had her
nylons up at her waist to cover you know. It's
like a little sort of a skim spank.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Situation in now. Yes, it is very in So they
are They're amazing people. They are amazing people.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
I love hearing this story, Oh my gosh, because yeah,
I mean, I grew up like my dad obviously loved
Tarro and I was like Tarro and then I reconnect.
I did a show in my thirties called So Notorious,
and it was like a flash like kind of a flashback,
but not really. It was like me and I wanted
Tarrow because one of my dad's faves. And she came

(53:02):
and did it and that's a film with her all
day and I was like, oh my god, as an
adult and it was amazing.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Wait, so she was ahead of her time.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
People get pigs often and then they out go them
like pet pigs.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
And they're like, oh, I thought they were going to
stay small. She had a bull. Get a bull?

Speaker 3 (53:19):
I mean, you know, as one does.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Drops the horn like what she?

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Wait? Will wait? Could we set that up? Can we
go over and have Paia with her?

Speaker 3 (53:31):
I'm sure we could. I'm going to see her next.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Week for the podcast. Now, well, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
We're gonna We're doing a love boat reunion cruise next week.
What yes on Princess cruises, So.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Oh my gosh, yes, and it would be amazing.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
We're going to try to get her to do it,
so we'll see, but otherwise I'll talk to her. It
would be so fun to set up. I have all
this footage. I can send it to you if her
in the backyard doing paiea and it's you know, she
doesn't do anything small. She has a big chef's hat
that she puts on, and.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
God, she's so cute. I can't stand it.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
I can't stand it.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Is it true that nobody knows her age?

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Well? Yes, but my friend who worked on love Boat
for Dennis Hammer, I don't know if you remember. Well, uh,
she actually had to have for passport information. So Elaine
knows her age. And you know, when she was married
to Xavier Ku got she had to be older because

(54:33):
she was underage.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Okay, so that's why it.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Gets so foggy. And she says in her act, she goes.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
I know all of you, ju Jill, how old I am?

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Always say how old is this beach? That's one of
the things she says in her show. And I did remember,
but I can't she got to be in her late seventies.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I'm going to say, she's, well, I'm not that much older,
like how No?

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Yeah, because it's like he was having children when we
were young.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Yes, and it's her second marriage already. That's my mom
is eighty four. Your mom's eighty four. My mom's eighty.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Okay, it's so hard as we get older, it's just
I'm still like forever thirty one.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Like it's like, what same?

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Oh my gosh, So you're doing the cruise? When is
the cruise happening next week?

Speaker 2 (55:30):
It's happening next week. We will be filming our podcast
on there as well, Brilliance, which would be super fun.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
And that's you know. I just got back from doing
an off Broadway play in New York, so I'm looking
forward to just sitting at home once all this is done.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
No, you're too bad asked to sit at home. Oh
you're so cute.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
I mean just for like two weeks. I just made
for two weeks, That's all I mean. Because I just
got back yesterday from a work trip, and you gotta
get Yeah, I know, I know you too. I'm telling
you we should do a cooking show. It'd be funny
as af.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
You can say, rock up the show. I did it.
Oh I can't.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Fuck yeah, it would be funny as fuck.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
So when I read the podcast, it's Fred ted and
Jill correct correct?

Speaker 2 (56:15):
What was the decision process there?

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Okay, So what happened was that Fred's son Charlie Randy,
who is a prolific producer. He is Mindy Kaling's producing partner,
and he was one of the writers on SNL. He
went to Harvard like Fred did. He was one of
the showrunners for the Office. He used to come on
the cruises with us. And he called his dad one

(56:37):
day and he's like, you know, why aren't you doing
a love boat podcast? You guys have all of these
great stories about these icons and you're not why don't
And Fred was like, all right, well you produce it.
And Charlie said okay.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
So that was it.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
And Fred and Ted and I have been doing a
couple of plays together. I mean, it's hilario hilarious that
we have been, but we have such a good time
doing theater together that we were just like, yep, let's
do it. So that's kind of it.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
You still can give the reason why your name's last, But.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Oh, because the two the boys were gonna do it first,
and then they realized they need someone.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Fabous, fabulously funny, just you know, they needed somebody for
a generation.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
I hear you.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
You know, I'm going to tell you when I was
growing up, I had the biggest crush on Fred Grandy, Like,
who didn't, Oh really, because he's smart, he's funny.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
I get it. I get that.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
A crush too well, I had a crush when I
was in my when I was an adult, like my twenties.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Okay, when I was a kid, I didn't, but I
did in my twenties.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
No, like I'd watched from home on Saturday nights and
be like, I love go for I want to marry Gopher.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Like like, I get that.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Okay, I get it. I totally see that.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
You know, he was funny and smart and sensitive and lovely.
I got it. He was great. Oh and Ted is
so great.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
I love him, Teddy Bear, he's my teddy Bear. I
three of you together. I mean, I know you do
a lot together. But doing a podcast, I think is
brilliant because I think you can blend old and new. Yes,
because I know a lot of like the older generation
are like podcasts. I don't know that, but just bringing

(58:35):
like bringing everything. It's interesting. Our generation, our generation, our
kids generation. Thank god for TikTok. And people are like, no,
not thank god. I'm like no, honestly, because my kids
are seeing clips of shows that they would never know
about our shows my dad's shows, Like it's like it's wild,
it's all becoming in again. So it's like everything that

(58:58):
is old is new again. This nostalgia is never it's like, yeah,
and we.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Got our last baby, We got our last interview with
our last interview with Loretta Switt that she ever did.
We got that, which is great. But I also want
to and I think the guys are on board with this.
I also want to get I hear all the time
about people who are current on shows today who were
huge Love Boat fans and always wanted to be on
the show. Snoop Dogg wanted to be on Love Boat,

(59:26):
Reba McIntire. So we're going to interview those people too.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
That's brilliant.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Yes, there's this big viral thing going around about guest stars.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
You never knew that mons, didn't you. Of course people
don't know that you were on the show. I see
like huge stars on it that like we're younger than
I'm just happy to be included.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
But your own podcast is still continuing, Yeah, yeah, okay, great.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Yes it will continue. Yes.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
And then I have a different podcast with my bestie.
It called Empty Nesters, and it's basically about women of
our age, whose kids are out? And who the hell
are we now? What do we do with our lives
at this point? And there's so many things that we
are all going through. I mean, we all have aging

(01:00:17):
parents and now we're becoming the parents of our parents.
And I don't that's not I don't have a book
for that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
What do we do about that?

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
And now that the kids are out of the house,
what happens between the relationship between your partner and you?
What does that look like? So there's that podcast too
that we do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Yes, No, I know, empty nesters. I think it's great.
So God, what don't you do math?

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
I don't do math, and I don't do toilets.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
I would like to plunge them.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
I don't want to clean them. I don't like it, remember,
gentleman farmer.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Okay, so this has to be done. I get it,
like I might of force needed to happen. Yep, it's
much better. My ex and I are in a good
place now, that's what. And it's better for the kids,
and it's everything is better except I gotta say, and
I hate I pride myself on being like you know,

(01:01:24):
I can do everything.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
And I do.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
But it's the boys stuff, And I'm sorry, I'm not
being sexist here. It's the stuff that my ex used
to do. I do miss that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Yeah, yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
And you know, like I'm like, I don't know how
to put a light bulbin. I don't have to plunge
a toilet.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
My dishwasher just uh the light just came on and
said it's not draining, and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Yeah, did you know what to do? No, well I googled.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Just you take out the fan spray thing on the
bottom and then you have to take the water out
and clean the filter. But it's above my pay rade
now because that's not happening. And I just said to
my husband last night. He has an issue with his eye.
He's got it's a terrible thing. But anyway, a whole
other story. But he is also mechanically uninclined as well,

(01:02:22):
and I was just like, why is it that you
do not know how to do these things?

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
He can't do them either. It's that's a problem. It
is a problem. It's well, I lied about football, and
he lied about being able to do the man stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
The man, the Man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
There's some show here too as well. Oh my god,
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
No, I just like I want to like rent a husband,
and I don't want to think physical.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
I just want him to come in and like fix stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Yes, isn't that the best?

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
That's the best. Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
I can tell us the friends and they're like, uh,
that's called a handy man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
That's right. But then I refuse to look it up.
I'm like, okay, yeah, it's my list.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Well, you gotta find you got to be handyman. Are
like getting on a date. You have to have a
referral from somebody that you trust.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Same thing. That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
So you know what, I go online, I look up
all and I'm like, I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
You're right, they're coming into my home. That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
You should kill two birds my toilet like it's an
intimate relationship and has very personal You're right, you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
You should maybe kill two birds with one stone. And
if you decide to start dating, make sure they are
handy as well. Some of them aren't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Some of them aren't.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Although it doesn't really matter the most important things. You
find somebody fabulous that you want to share.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
You're right, it's just five kids. Like you said that
and I was like, yeah, no.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
Yeah, I know as it came out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
That's not wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Here daily with five kids, and it's just like I
cannot imagine starting to date someone and putting that pressure
of like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Because that's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Yeah, that's a lot. Well would certainly weeds some out.
Yeah what My daughter in law.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Has five kids, so I know it's there's there's a
meme and it's this woman sitting in her car and
the kids in the back and she's in the car
with an open can and they're like, Mama, why are
you Why are you drinking at eleven o'clock? She turns out,
She says, because I have five goddamn kids. Well I
fix one problem, the next one's got a problem, and
then with that problem solved, then the next one has

(01:04:34):
a problem and I don't have a break.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
So I this is correct.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Yes, yes, yes, I have one friend. I mean she
has two kids. But for me, I always say God
bless everyone that has kids. Like it's whether you have
one kid or you have five kids, it's all it's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Just a lot. Because you don't go into this knowing
what to do. You just don't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
You think you can do it. You think it's gonna end.
Then it changes on you. They go through different phases
and just when you think you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Got it down. They're out of toddlerhood. Then they go.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Into pre It's just like the middle school drama is
now happening, and I'm just like, okay, I didn't know
that was coming.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
It's like boom, boom, boom. It never stops. Yeah, she didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
She doesn't drink. She doesn't, she's not sober. She's just like, yeah,
I don't really like to drink. And I'm like, huh,
what's that?

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Like what Yeah, I'm like, it's my best friend Jess,
And I'm like Jess. I'm like, she's like oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
I'm like I'll go over to her house and I'm like,
just you have wine, and she's like somewhere I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
I'm like, are you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Like it's not what I signed up for. You're my
best friend. Yeah, anyway, we need we need to have
some alcohol. Yeah, at times when I want I want it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
I can talk to you forever. This is this, This
should be another episode. We should we should get back
together and do another episode because I talked so many
places here, but I could keep talking to you and
then I'm going to come.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
On your podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Yes you are, Yes, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
I can't come on empty nesters yet because I'm not
well you're not.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
You're a long way away from that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Yes, but he ut on the cruise. Thank you, thank you.
It should be fun looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
I am so happy we reconnected all these years later.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Oh my gosh. I was actually right before. I was
super excited, but.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Nervous because you never know if you can go back
again and what it's going to be like. And you
just blew my mind everything I knew you as growing up.
I'm like this human now connecting as friends, as adults,
as moms and wife xuf. But you know, it's like,

(01:06:48):
I Wow, this is someone I want to be friends with.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Crow, I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
I right back at you. I feel the same.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
So now we'll connect perfect they drink wine together, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Thing goodness, Okay, Well have fun on Alito deck next week.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
I plan to.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
And it was so great to connect with you. And
I'm so proud of everything you've done and you got this.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Girl team me too. Oh love you all right? Speak
soo okay bye