Mister Rider Strong

Boy meets Beverly Hills. Rider and Tori talk about meeting at 90s Con—and the connection was instant… creatively speaking. 

They dive into what it was like growing up on TV, dating, and whether they’re still emotionally stuck in their teen years. 90’s nostalgia is IN and these 2 have quite the show creation they want to manifest. Rider shares what pushed him to lock himself in his trailer. And yes, Rider may have admitted he wanted to be on 90210.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Misspelling with Tori Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. So we were
at nineties con together. Yeah, yeah, was that like two
months ago? Now? Yeah, okay, and we probably talked about this,
so I'm just gonna lay it down at those two
nights in the bar.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
In fact, the first night we had a really great
conversation and I came up, we were talking to Brian
Austin Green. Yeah, and I honestly couldn't remember if we
had ever met. I don't think we had, which is
kind of wild.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, I'd met Brian, but we never really talked. So
that's why I ended up in a conversation with him
because I was talking to solet who I did know, right,
and and then he came over and we were and
I was like, you know, we've never actually met. And
then we started getting to it. I was like, you're
a really cool guy, Like how come we've never made
this connection? And then you joined the conversation. I was like, again,
this is funny that we're like probably associated together with

(01:00):
the era and everything, and yeah, and a lot of
you guys knew each other obviously, but but the fact that, yeah,
I had never met either of you officially.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
And I can't see, Like I can't even see you
right now, Like I'm so like blind, real blind. Well,
I choose to wear one contact because if I wear two,
then I have to have readers on all the time
because I'm old now, uh huh, and I lose them,
so I just can't do it. So with my one contact,
I kind of I see if there you are. So
that night at the bar, I saw Brian talking to you,

(01:30):
and I have to I have to be honest, I
didn't know who he was talking to. And then someone
said writer Strong was like what And I only knew because,
as I told you that weekend, I'm huge Kevin Fever.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, fan.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Like huge, So I need from that movie. And I
was like, oh my god, that was like one of
my favorite movies on the theater, like I've seen a
gazillion and ten times anyway, So okay, So I walked
up to you and then we started talking and we
I think had a really good conversation. I remember like
two percent of it.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
And then the next night I found you again and
we continued that conversation. And obviously we both have iHeart
podcasts and pod meets World is in its six seasons.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, Yeah, we're doing We're on Yeah, we're we only
have seven, so we only have like a season and
a half.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
We talked about that a lot. Yeah, like what happens
next is yeah for nine to two one, omg, we're
in our seventh season. We only have ten.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, and we still don't know. I mean, I'm sort
of of the mind that we should pick another project,
like another show to watch because I like it being
a journey, except that I don't know. I mean, we
could just start the show over again, but I feel
like we'll end up repeating ourselves so much because you know,
we don't even remember what we said, you know, two
episodes ago, let alone at this point three years ago.

(02:52):
So I don't know. Yeah, I mean, we've talked about
all kinds of things. We did this weird series of
episodes because Danielle is really to wrestling, like professional wrestling,
which I know nothing about, like watching or doing it watching,
and so she she yeah, not doing it, although I
think she probably does. She says she wants to get

(03:12):
thrown through a table at one point, because I guess
that's like a big wrestling thing. Anyway, So she took
us to WrestleMania, and we did like a series of
episodes where we just interviewed wrestlers and watched WrestleMania and
it was definitely not my thing, but it was so
fun to just the three of us sort of and
we kind of were like, maybe this is where the
show goes. We just meet the world, Like we just

(03:34):
go force each other to do stuff that like, we're
not into the room. So the idea is like, because
we have very different tastes even though we're best friends,
and you know, like Will's really into like geek D
and D anything that involves like costumes and acting and character,
which Danielle can't stand. Danielle loves like wrestling and like sports,

(03:55):
which I know nothing about any either of those things.
And you know, I could probably hook them into some
like deep literary shit that you know, they might not
be into otherwise, And we just sort of force each
other to do stuff. That's kind of where we're like,
maybe that's the show.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
I like that. But then there were three seasons of
Girl Meets World.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, we're not going to do it. Oh wow, Yeah,
I know, I.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Know it's definitively like no, yeah, I mean maybe years
from now, but like, it was only ten years ago
that we were doing that show, and none of us
have really good memories, Danielle especially, and so for her,
she's just like from the get go.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
She said, we're not going to really talk about Girl
Meets World, and we're respecting that. So we'll see if
it changes with time. I think, you know, one of
the benefits yeah, no, it's fine. One of the benefits
of like, you know, recapping a show from the nineties
as opposed to like even the office ladies who do
their show. You know, it's only ten fifteen years old,

(04:53):
But as we're talking about thirty years ago, there's like
a level of remove that we can be I think
more honest. So maybe when we I had enough distance
from Girl Meets World and we can look back and
be like, remember that time when we were in our
thirties and we did that reboot show, and we'll be
able to talk about it. But right now, I think
it's still a little there's still some fresh wounds and weirdness.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
I understand. Yeah, Okay, can we not talk about Boy
Meets World anymore?

Speaker 2 (05:16):
No, we can talk about Boy.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
We can't talk about it. No, I don't want to Okay, okay, fine.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Cool, you want to talk about Cavin Fever again.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, but I don't want to talk to you about
stuff that everyone talks to you about. Okay, okay, So
I want to go back to nineties con on that
second night, yes, okay. So I came away from that
weekend being like, wow, I really connected with a writer
strong and no, I did go down the rabbit hole
of your Instagram. Sorry, yeah, which still I'm perplexed at,

(05:47):
Like it's.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Not very I'm getting better. I've decided to like actually
commit to social media. I know, I know, but it's
it's great, you know. I mean, it's a great way
to actually be able to put your thoughts out there
and publish your whatever and have a direct connection to
the fans, which you know, I used to always be

(06:08):
so scared of. But after doing conventions and then now
the podcast, it's like, actually, these these fans are really
cool people. I mean, they're I think. I Yeah, I
I hated being famous when I was a teenager. I

(06:28):
hated being famous when I was on Boy Mets World,
and like I wanted to avoid the spotlight as much
as possible, and then I think whatever I tried to
do afterwards, it always felt like, uh, I don't know,
I had to contend with Boy Meets World as and
the fandom from that, no matter what else I did.

(06:49):
So it's like, I like writing poetry and you know,
our essays and and it's like if I felt like
I needed to like avoid Boy Meets World, I needed
to like just stay away from it and prove myself
in some other way. And then I, you know, Hit
forty started doing the podcast, and I just started to realize, like, oh,
but this is a huge part of my life. This

(07:11):
is the only reason a lot of these people are
following me or paying attention to anything I do, and
I should just kind of embrace it. And then I
think doing the podcast has really just given me a
new sense of agency over that part of my life.
And I feel like we're kind of controlling the narrative
in a way that we never felt as kids because

(07:31):
we were kid actors. You know, you don't ever feel
like you're in control of the project as an actor,
but especially as a kid. I was thirteen, so it
was thirteen to twenty and yeah, so well in twenty
hit I was just like I am anything butt boy me,
you know, I'm so not that guy. And then you
just come to realize, like, yeah, but the chance even
if I had continued acting and kept going and kept working,

(07:56):
the chances of having something that would be that big
of a hit and that would resonate with audiences are
so slim, and so you kind of have to embrace
that at a certain point and say, you know what,
this is a big part of me in my career
and who I am as an artist, and hopefully there's
enough people that that will want to follow me into
whatever else I do next, my writing, directing, whatever, you know,
like and if not, okay, but you know, to completely

(08:18):
shut everybody out right, So yeah, it's yeh, it's been
a shift.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
So we talked about being ninety stars. I always feel
so weird talking like stars. I immediately want to be like, no, no, no, sorry, sorry,
I'm not considering myself a star. I'm not And this
is this is why I'm having this conversation with you
and apparently the world. But it's a very small understanding

(08:47):
of what actually went into it, because you don't feel,
at least I didn't at Liberty to be like, oh
my god, we went through something that a lot of
it was like really hard and people were like, oh
boo hoo, as we're famous, right, right, So I struggle
with that all the time. Okay, so we did talk
about this. What do you remember from us talking that weekend?

Speaker 2 (09:10):
We came up with a pitch from movies. I remember
our show it could go either way. Yeah, that was that.
That was most of the second night was like riffing
on that idea.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
There was a lot we talked about ihearder connection there
this podcast and like what happens when those show's over
and the rewatch? And then like, right, we want to
keep doing podcasts. We enjoy it talking to people and connecting.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Okay, yeah, and Nineties Con. I mean that was my
third nineties con and I can't believe people are coming
back and they're coming to my table for a second
or third time. It's like it's becoming kind of like
the ren Fair, you know, it's like, oh, this is
this is just a regular thing that everyone checks in
off because they want to relive the nineties. I'm like, okay,

(09:51):
I never thought that, but you know what, I and
I guess if I if I think about it, when
we were in the nineties, like people really worship the
sixties and the seven So if there had been like
a convention for the seventies, I bet you a lot
of people would have gone to.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
It, right, Like, yeah, I feel like those still exist.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, so yeah, it's just bizarre to be a participant
and also sort of an object, you know, within that convention.
Well yeah, I mean the people are coming there too,
like so I'm sort of you know, we're we're there
as part of the like window dress set of nineties,

(10:29):
but it's also we're real human beings. So it's just
it's an interesting dynamic. And again, like when I started
doing conventions, I thought I would hate them because I
was so scared of same fans and like what, But
the interactions are incredibly positive and and I think part
of the fear for me, which I'm sure you experienced too,
is that back in the day, our fans were teenagers,

(10:50):
and teenagers don't know how to be like and when
they see somebody famous or they recognize from the television,
they they freak out, like you know, but adults are
pretty cool. They can just be like, hey, I like
your show. You're like, oh, thanks.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
That's positive if our fans are not teenagers, anymore.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
They're Yeah, they're in their forties.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, in the fifties, Yeah, and they still kind of
freak out.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
I guess maybe, like if it's a completely random context,
like recognize on the street, but when you're at a convention, right,
it's completely controlled. It's like, Hi, this is I am
here for this reason. You are here to say hi
to me. You take a photo, whatever, sign an autograph,
and we talk for a little bit, and it feels
I don't know, for me, it's like been the best
way to navigate that relationship, and it's been really positive.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
I don't think if I don't think I know how
to navigate it, I think that's where I'm stuck, really stuck. Reterstaurant,
I'm stuck.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
What do you do when people recognize you?

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Oh, I immediately turn on and it's totally genuine, and
I give myself.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
But I give.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Myself in such a way that it's like you could
probably do with like pulling that back away thirty Right,
It's like I overgive to the point where I'm standing
there with these people for like an hour and I
don't know when to say goodbye. This is why I
don't talk on the phone. I hate the phone, my wife,
really because I don't know how to say goodbye or

(12:14):
get off the phone, and I don't know what that
comes from. Okay, So I saw Taylor Strong, Taylor Strong.
I just literally got you married to Taylor Swift, which
Taylor's strong. I mean, it's just like when I met

(12:35):
Channing Tatum, when I fucking stumbled over my words. Yeah, whatever,
I met you. So I'm meaning you for the first time.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Taylor Swift. You saw Taylor Swift my future wife?

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Wow, your future second wife? How would your wife feel
about that?

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Not good? Yeah, losing out to Taylor Swift. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
No.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
She said that celebrities people are famous are stuck at
the point they became famous in some way emotionally.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, but I think it could.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Be the entire kind of four out of years of
your So like if you were thirteen, Like, do you
feel like you're stuck at thirteen or do you feel
like fifteen?

Speaker 2 (13:20):
I'm probably stuck at fifteen. I mean, oh boy, I
don't know. But I mean, luckily I was pretty mature
for my age, like a lot of us kid actors, like, so,
I feel like my fifteen is probably pretty mature. But yeah,
I still feel like a teenager pretending to be an
adult sometimes not all the time, but sometimes, and like,

(13:44):
and I definitely felt that way in my twenties. You know,
it was like because everyone, I mean, the jobs I
kept getting were still like playing in high school or
it was still being treated and I still had a
baby face. I looked like a kid, and it just sucked.
It was the worst. But yeah, I mean, I definitely yeah,

(14:05):
going back and doing the podcast with Will and Danielle,
Will was sixteen when the show started, and that makes
a big difference. He's definitely like he was more of
an adult, even though he's still wasn't in some ways,
but like who he was was kind of the same.
He's still the same person that he was when the

(14:25):
show started, whereas like Danielle was a completely different new
She was twelve and she had no idea. She didn't
even know she wanted to be an actor. Really, she's
sort of you know, she's become the most famous and
the most recognizable, and so I think for her it's
been the biggest transition.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, would your wife concur with that that you're somewhat
emotionally stunted at fifteen?

Speaker 2 (14:49):
No, she wouldn't say emotionally stunted.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I'm only saying emotionally stunted because Taylor Strong said those
exact words. So now it's all I can think about. Yeah,
it's like I'm emotionally stunted at sixteen night.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Wait what, Yeah, I don't know. I mean I would say,
like it's more it's more like a matter of POV
than emotional stunting. Like I definitely feel like something something
so drastically changed in my life right Like I was
doing plays and being an actor and wanting to do
movies and TV shows and stuff basically for fun, you know,
not really thinking about the end result, and then it

(15:27):
becomes a hit show, becomes my life, becomes what is
going to define me for the rest of my life.
So I feel like there's like the the fifteen year
old point of view is still kind of like wide eyed, going,
can you believe this happened to you? And but I emotionally,
I hope that I've matured enough. But I mean, I
think my wife, especially when we first met, like she

(15:50):
had never watched the show, never really knew about boy
Meet's world, and I loved that, Like that was like
a great thing for us, and so I think it's
been it's been a times difficult for her to have
to suddenly deal with it again, like that this part
of my life that when we came together was like
this is over, this is never gonna you know, and
then Girl Meets the World comes along and I'm suddenly

(16:10):
directing a bunch of that and that becomes a huge
part of my life. And then now the podcast and
it's like, right, well, we kind of can't avoid it.
And she's been great about it, but I'm sure that
there have been times when it's like, really, we're doing
this again, We're still talking about this.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
It's like, I know, like what happens when you go
to the supermarket.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
I don't get recognized that much. When I when I
shaved earlier this year for the first time in like
a dozen years, I definitely got recognized more. And then
it was like it was then and I had like
hair similar to when I was on the show, So
that was you know, But no, in La, people if
they recognize me, I don't think they say anything. But

(16:50):
you leave La and it's a whole other world, you know.
Like so if I'm yeah, if we're traveling at all,
like yeah, then people are cool. People are you know,
if they're just shocked and then they want to take
a picture and they're nice.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
You said, I'm trying to make some connection here between us, like, yeah,
like a deeper one that Yeah. Do you remember what
we discussed being like trapped in the nineties, trapped kind
of like that persona of not being able to move
forward because that's what people remember you as and you
have to go back to it. Do you remember what

(17:26):
Brian Green said?

Speaker 2 (17:29):
No?

Speaker 1 (17:31):
He said yeah, because I was like, oh, I think
this is Yeah. Second night, I was like, oh my god,
writer and I were talking about this in generally Green
and so let and like it's like we're all stuck
in this thing that we don't even know what happens,
but we're in it, and it's hard to talk to
anyone else about it because they can't quite understand it.
And it's like I always say to people, it's like
when you're into high school with each other, and it's like, no,

(17:53):
it's something way different than that. And Brian said he
likened it to being in a plane crash, right, which
is how I think you and I maybe start talking
about this TV show that we're going to do that.
We need to bring up because we're manifesting it, and
then if we bring it up here, no one can
steal it from Okay, Okay, that's my story. I'm sticking
to it.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
But there is, right, I mean, because it's there is.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
I mean, if you told that to fans, which I
guess we're telling this to fans right now, I don't
know if they'd be pissed, like you guys think of that.
I know, it was the best ten years of our lives,
and you guys considered it a plane crash survivors.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
I think the key and I read this somewhere else
to this. I'm not going to take credit for this,
but someone I saw someone had written the phrase fame
is trauma, and that really resonated with me. And so
I think that for everybody, even if it's good, you know,
even if it's what you want, the moment you really
get fame, it's it's it's just a traumatic experience. You

(18:56):
can come out of it, but it's always going to
have that like that echo, you know, if like, well,
remember when life felt private or when it felt like
I was still an individual, you know, going around in
the world, and like hoping to like send a message
out and then suddenly it's like, oh god, it reached everybody.
That's you know, it's a it's a jarring experience. And yeah,

(19:20):
I think people don't you know, I it's it sucks
to be complaining about fame.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
You know, I don't even know how to broach it now.
I'm sounding like a dick.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
I know. It's but there is also the extra wrinkle
for us, specifically that we were children, you know, we
were teenagers, and I think coming at it as an adult,
you know, I mean, this is why, like I had
to stop acting because when I started dating my wife,
who's an actress, she had such thick skin about the

(19:55):
life of being an actor, and she had such an
awareness of what the job acts is what it requires,
and she wants it like and she'll do she'll act
in anything, like you know, she just wants to always
be loves the auditions, loves the process. And I hated
all of it unless I was on the job, like
working on set, the auditions, the rejection, like all the

(20:16):
things that came along with it. And I realized, like, right,
if I had decided to do this as an adult,
I think I would have a healthier approach to this,
you know. But instead it was sort of like, oh,
I and so for for a lot of ways, acting
was broken for me. You know. It's like, oh, and
it's a little bit of a bummer because I think like,
if I, let's say, boyme's world hadn't happened, I probably

(20:39):
would have just kept doing plays and guest stars and
maybe decided to be an actor in my twenties and
really come at at hard and like had a lot
of fun, had a great career. I don't know. But
as it is, it's like everything no no.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
But yeah, I mean I end it. I feel like
my stories. I don't know. I got through this all
the time in my head because there's no one else
I can really talk to about it. Thanks for being
here and playing this game. But yeah, I'm just like, okay,
I kind of came into this world with eyes on
me because of my dad. So but nine of two

(21:20):
when it was a whole different ballgame. So yeah, from
sixteen to twenty six, I was like released at twenty
six and that fucked me, like yeah, because I I
don't know, I went I was like, oh, yeah, every
show gets picked up and runs this long right show,
it runs this popular, and then you do a couple

(21:41):
of pilots that don't get picked up. You do it
and you're like, oh.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Right, this is the life. This is the actual life,
the actual I know. See. That was my problem too,
is like I so I immediately went to school in
New York and then took a semester off to go
make Cabin Fever. Thinking because it was right after nine
to eleven, I was like, I want to get out
of new work. Anyway, when did this little movie? Had
so much fun making it, and then it became like

(22:07):
the dream indie horror film. You know, we made it
for less than two million dollars. A bidding war broke
out over at a Toronto so and again I was
sort of like, yeah, well this is what happens when
you do indie films. So it was like two right
back to back. And then I went back to college
like told agents and everything, well I'm not I'm going
to finish school, which is the dumbest thing you could do,
because what you want to do is strike when the

(22:29):
iron is hot, you know, like keep up your career.
And I was like, no, I'm not doing anything. I'm
just you know, and so then I got out of
college at twenty four and started auditioning and trying to
and it was like.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Oh it really just like three years later after well.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, I started because boy mean's world ended. I was
twenty and then I went to school for the next
four years and then yeah, and then then I started
doing the real work, which is like you're in movie
that nobody notices, then a worse movie that you don't
have any fun, and nobody notices that an even worse movie,
and you're just like, oh my god, like and I

(23:04):
just realized, like I was becoming that bitter actor like
I was. So there was this awful moment on a
set where I've been doing this stunt filled wakeboarding movie
and it was everything was falling apart in the production. Yeah,

(23:26):
it was. It was actually a great group of cast,
like I love the people I was working with, but
the production itself was a disaster. Everything was going, but
the crew quit the second day because they had all
been film students who had been roped into working for free,
and they realized it was an actual job. They left.
At one point, I was left on a boat without
anybody showing me how to drive it. Or where to
park it, and like they were shooting for us from

(23:48):
the shore and then they were like, all right, we
got the shot and then the whole crew just left
and I was like, I left me, me and one
other actor in the boat. I like, I was a,
what is going on? Why isn't anybody you know? And
like and I stormed after my trailer, No, stormed off
into my trailer. I get there, and then they wanted
me to do like behind the scenes like interview, and

(24:10):
They're pounding on my trailer door and I was so
I was just lying there, so furious, and I was like,
I'm not coming out of this trailer. And I was like,
oh my god, I've become that guy, Like I'm the
actor who won't leave his trailer and like you hear
that story. You you always heard about like leave for
his trailer for three days and you know, and it's
like because in a lot of ways, that becomes the

(24:31):
only power an actor has. Is like they just shut
down all production because they're like, get everything ready and
I'm not coming out. And it's such a petty, awful
thing to do. And it comes from insecurity and bitterness
and lack of control all the things that you know
can happen to actors, and I just found myself in
the heart of it, and I was like, I can't
do this anymore. Like I can't, this is just going

(24:53):
to get worse and worse. For the most part. I mean,
I've acted in stuff that friends have like made or
you know, written for me. But yeah, like from that,
pretty much, from that moment on, I was like, I'm
not even I'm not gonna audition anymore. I'm not going
to do this. I'm just gonna gonna take a break.
And you know, I started directing stuff, and I really
love directing because I feel like I can get the

(25:17):
same high that I did from acting without having to
be the one acting. When I'm directing something like I'll
wake up before call and I'll have like that anxiety
and nerves and all the things I'm supposed to feel,
and then I'll be like, wait, I don't have to
be on camera today, and it all goes away. And
so yeah, and it's like, you know they say that
like the the nervous system, like the the way our

(25:40):
bodies feel excitement and nervousness is are identical, and you
just interpret it. One is like fear and anxiety, and
the other is like I'm excited to go do this thing,
and like that's what the switch for me. It's like
if I'm directing, I'm like worked up, but it's all positive.
It's all like, I'm just so excited to do this
and you know, face these challenges today, whereas when I

(26:01):
think about being on camera having to act, it's pure
like oh god, nervousness, anxiety, like this is going to
be awful and yeah it's too.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Bad, because it is too bad. But you'll get over
that when we do this show and you're going to
be on camera, right, yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Is it a show or is it a movie? It
was a movie? Yeah, and I'm playing myself right A
version aversion. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
So this idea, So this idea became something because we
were all, well, we chose to be in that bar
those two nights talking about our lives as ninety stars
and how that is kind of the one decade people
really have embraced. Like it's not even why two K
like it's it's different and I don't know if television

(26:50):
was different back then. I'm not sure the reason, but
all these nineties stars and we were in a showind
of trapped, isn't it just like we're trapped back in
the nineties. I was drunk.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
We I don't know if we actually nailed that, but
the idea was that a bunch of us are somewhere together, right,
and it's pure knives out style murder mystery.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Right. We talked Agatha Christie, Yes, we talked Lost.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yes, and it was like, yeah, you get fifteen of
us and we're all at a convention or shooting something
or doing some reason that we're all stuck together, and
then we start getting murdered one by one.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Now murder only came up because you like horror murder.
Yeah I do too, Yeah, yeah, no, So we got
excited about that, like you know, Agatha Christie, and then
there were none like one by one. But I just
know I came back from that weekend a little like
I was exhausted.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
And it was a good week and it was it
was by far my favorite nineties gone. Yeah. So it
was a good time.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
But I couldn't get you out of my brain. And
it's interesting because Easton's here and I read Easton. I
was like right or strong, And I reached out to
Amy too, and she was like wait, wait, you know
he's married with a kid. I was like, no, no disrespect,
Like it's not that. I was like, I'm obsessed with
his brain, but I'm not sure, Like we just connected
like yeah, yeah, I was like he's great, and yeah

(28:18):
I thought about like sliding into your DMS, but then
I didn't. But I couldn't. That's why I wanted to
do this podcast with you in person, because I wanted
to be like, one, what the fuck did we talk about?
Because I didn't really remember, and but we nailed it.
And two I was just like, ugh, I don't know.
We just had this connection. Imagine you're like I had
no connection with you.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I know I did. It was totally likewise. I mean
that's why I remember telling people when I got home.
I was like, Tori spelling really cool and really I'm like, yeah,
it's really cool. And Brian Austin Green like I've never
met these people and like actually bonded and had a
good weekend. It was really fun.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, Okay, So I reached out to Generally Green this
morning and sole Ley Moonfry and I was like, Hey,
do you guys want to enlighten me? Because I'm actually
we've had to cancel this once before my fault, and
like we're actually doing it today and I want to

(29:11):
ask him, but I don't remember much from it. And
Jenna was like that friend that like, oh, I got
your back. She's like, here's what you guys were talking about.
I was like, oh, I remember all that. She said, Yeah,
I don't think you're I think you're fine, And so
Lea's like, no, no, I'm not going to mention anything.
She's like, you should just go in and ask him.
She's such a storyteller and friend that I'll push you
out of your comfort zone to get the story that.

(29:32):
I'm like, fair, good for you.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah. But I feel like since I have been thinking
about this idea and I feel like it's a little
bit of it could go on many seasons.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Oh that's scary.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
But what if it was all of us and since
we're somehow trapped in this nineties period that we can't
get past, we're kind of trapped in people's lives as
what we were and that's how they remember us, and
we're like heroes to them that we never asked for
these superpowers because they're really dysfunctional superpowers. What if it

(30:08):
was like, let's say there's fifteen like you said, or
like ten of us whatever, and each season could be
us trapped in like a different TV show, so it
could be like Knives Out. It could be and then
there were none like I get the Christie clue, like
the first season, but until they say, in this lifetime,
like you keep like me, for instance, I picked somehow

(30:30):
the wrong men over and over. No disrespect to my ax,
he would tell you the same, but like until I
have to really resonate and like listen to myself and
figure out why I keep choosing these people over and over.
So what if in this lifetime we keep every season
we're in this in it just becomes more like Groundhog's

(30:51):
Day like, but.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
So each season we're trapped in a different TV different
TV show from the nineties, or we're jumping from are
we time travel or we kind of like it's it's now.
It's starting to sound like what was it the Wanda
Vision Show where she's like in a sitcom?

Speaker 1 (31:10):
No good, talk me through this because.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
I watched like one or two episodes, but she apparently
was like traveling through different TV shows as a character.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
I don't know, So no, we never say it's another
TV show. It's just a situation that might liken two right,
maybe like in one season we should be on an island,
like I don't know, is it lost? I don't know?
Is it right? Right?

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Right?

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Right?

Speaker 1 (31:37):
You're playing you don't?

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Well, it needs some work. I need some work. I
still like the idea of just a straight up movie
like Bodies, Bodies, Bodies Knives out, like an old school
you know, just we're all in a mansion, we're all
at a convention. Keep it limited location and just tell
one because I mean, once we start killing people, you know,

(31:59):
hard to keep that on for multiple seasons.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
What if we don't kill people?

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Okay, then it's a different show.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah it was really good and we killed people.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, I like I like people dying. I like horror films.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Same yeah, okay, it would be a different horror film
each season. Okay, now we're getting too But do people
want a metaverse like that's the big I mean, we
did the nine two and zero reboot, which I don't
think people loved it.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
When was that?

Speaker 1 (32:25):
That was in twenty nineteen and Jenny Garth and I
created it and it was based on us playing a
version of ourselves getting back together to do a reboot
right right, And it just I feel like people were
like some people were like, oh, that was so creative
and that was so cool instead of a straight up reboot,
and but most fans were like, we wanted you to.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Play that actually, dude, right right, And.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
It's like, but did you like what? I mean? I
know you guys did go back and play those characters,
but I'm scared to go back and play those characters. Yeah,
it wasn't great because you can't create that time again.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Mm hmm. Yeah, I don't know. I mean I feel
like there have been alternative takes on Boy Meets World
that we've had, like on during our podcast where we're like,
what if we went to mister Feenie the teacher's life
as a young teacher and like do something like that
and make it like a single camera drama show or

(33:23):
you know, like do a new interpretation of some aspect
of it. But yeah, I just don't think you can
recapture the magic of whatever it was that happened that
first time.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
So Okay, good, we're getting far. We have to play ourselves.
Yeah no, yeah, a version part of it and how
meta you want to go. I don't know. Everything's meta
these days. Oh no, it's hard for me to watch
TV shows now.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
I don't watch TV at all. I know that's good, but.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
I don't really good. It's like creative as fuck.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
But what I don't like is I like stories that
close but end. You know, this is part of my
resistance to making it a show is like, I hate
the way every everything is like an hour long and
then come back next week you gotta find out more.
I'm just I feel manipulated. I'm like, I am exhausted.
I always tap out of a show at three episodes

(34:18):
and I'm like, no, I can see they're going to
drag this out for another ten episodes and not get somewhere.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
TV shows are really weird now. I find it interesting,
Like watching streaming all the time. There's so many shows
that I'm fascinated by, and I love how visually I'm
on board there in the style, and I like the humor.
I like where it goes. But I'm like, God, how

(34:47):
do I say this nicely? How does the average person?
You have a long, hard day at work, you live
in Middle America, you come home, right? Is that the
world you want to see?

Speaker 2 (34:57):
I mean, I leave empty for these shows, think so
I think that's right. Well, that's why I think that
like old school networks, I mean, the classic networks are
still showing hospital shows, cop shows, like more sort of comforting,
you know, all wrapped one mystery a week, wrapped up
within the week. And then there's you know, the comedies.

(35:20):
They don't do multi camera anymore. But I think people
I know, but it's it's just a dated form, you know.
It's like sitting around listening to the radio would have
felt in the seventies. You know, it's like people still
doing this. Maybe I don't know. I mean, I think
there will always be a certain place for a sitcom.
Right now it seems to be kids television. But it

(35:42):
was comforting, right like every week thirty minutes, wrap everything up.
You don't have to have seen the previous episode, you
don't have to watch the next one. You can just
enjoy it, like tune your brain out. That's what people,
I think a lot of people want.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Yeah, I agree. A theme song mm hmm. I never
watched your show.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
We went through a couple of different ones, but yeah,
we ended up with one that and this boy Meets Word.
Thanks Easton. Yeah, yeah, that was the last the last
two seasons. That was our theme song, so that retroactively
has become our theme song. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Right before you got here, Easton informed me of something
very knowledgeable about what you said.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
I'm a boy Top two top two episodes.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
There was like a poll or a survey or something,
and it was like, what nineties shows do you people
want to come back? And the top two was Beverly
Hills nine or two, I know, and Boy Meets World.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Now, if you told him this on his podcast, you
would have.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Flipped it, flipped it. Yeah, it was Boy Meets World.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Then well he said, I won't tell you which one
was number one. I'm like, oh god, it's Boy Meets World.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
And he was like yes, and that's oh interesting. But
did come back? Didn't it? Hasn't it been? There's been
new versions of it. You did your reboot right.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
In twenty nineteen, but like in two thousand and seven
or eight?

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yeah, that's what I Yeah. Yeah, how long did that last?

Speaker 1 (37:13):
I say it like, I don't know, but I'm really
weird with dates. I remember everything. I think they did
like six seasons. Oh wow, okay, I was on it
for two episodes, but they like wrote like Jenny was
on it and her mom died on the show. I
got cancer and died, And it's hard for people to
be like, wait, that wasn't the real nine two or no,

(37:35):
how could they make decisions about OG characters like in
it Brian and I, David and Donna are like getting
a divorce and we have one kid, and it's like,
but they can they do that? Can they make that up?
So we're like, so we tend to as like OG
cast members be like, oh, we can rewrite it any

(37:55):
way we want.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
So the show ended when your show end.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
It ended, and whatever happens happens, but we don't have
to go by that. But yeah, it was super successful,
but it's because that cast became successful, So it wasn't
really a reboot, right if it's a whole new cast
which is a couple spin off characters.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
But that's so interesting that this poll landed with two
high school shows that the things that because like they
didn't say friends, they didn't say Seinfeld. There's a lot
of great nineties shows, but when people are asked like
what will I think, it's like the very unique position

(38:37):
that both of our shows hat even though they were
very different. Ours was comedy, yours was drama. I think
when you are a teenager or your kid and you
back then actually sat in your living room with your
family and watched other teenagers, you identified with them so strongly.
And that's like, I think that's a particular nature of

(38:59):
our fame too. It's like we weren't movie stars, you know,
like if you're a movie star, you're kind of like
on a palace stool. But when you're a TV star
from the nineties, it's like you're part of the family.
They can like they I don't know, it's a different relationship.
It's like, yeah, they've invited you into the house, you've come.
You came into their house almost uninvited, and so there's

(39:20):
like a level of like, you know, in some ways
that's great because there's a real intimacy there. In other
ways it's like, you know, like it can lead to
like a different type of relationship. You know, like they
don't even think of you as an actor. They think
of you as just the character, and you were just
that person, and like.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Right, that's happened to me, happens to you sometimes?

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Oh yeah, Well, I mean, yeah, I think people just
assume there's no difference, you know, that I wasn't really
acting and acting. I was just a kid who showed
up and lived on in front of the camp, which
is ridiculous. But I think if people really think it's
they Yeah, I think that's how they conceive of me.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
That's okay. That's interesting because I often think about the
movies that were huge in the nineties. Why is it
a different feeling than like the TV shows. Yeah, it's
because we were there. They grew up with us, We
grew up with them, and we were on their TV
with their family. Yeah, and that's something they want to
hold on to. That's nostalgia.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah, Why is nostalgia so big right now? Like why
did it take this? Well?

Speaker 2 (40:29):
All right, I have a couple of theories. Now, I
have a couple theories. One, I don't think it's a coincidence.
It's the nineties. I think pre cell phones is like
the essential element and pre social media obviously, but like
before you could really live in a virtual space for
fifty percent of your life, if not more, And I

(40:51):
think we're all hungry for that, Like we missed the
times of you know, real in person interaction, you know,
waiting for people, not knowing if somebody's gonna call you
back or they We weren't constantly in contact. I think
that's a really calm mindset that we missed. I think

(41:12):
it was a peaceful time, no wars. It was a
very like wonderful decade as far as you know, economic prosperity.
Obviously there were lots of problems, but I think for
most of us, especially those of us who were young,
it was a golden age. What else I feel like.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Like, do you think there's any like coincidence? Like both
of our shows ended in two thousand and that was
why two k Yeah, like that was the first time
like all of us were like waste the world, like
what's going to happen? And then it went on, but
it went on differently.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, I mean really the big change came with nine
to eleven, right, so it took another year and then
like yeah, then the world really kind of change it.
So yeah, I mean it's also probably you know, but
I think I think everyone I don't know, I mean

(42:13):
I've always been pretty nostalgic. I think, so maybe everybody is.
But I also, you know, there's so much being made,
so much content out there, and we don't. We no
longer have the monoculture, right, like the idea of like
community through everybody's listening to the one song and watching
the one show. And that was a huge part of

(42:36):
the nineties. You know, it's like any even to the
extent that we when we were on the air, never
thought of our show as popular because it was a
kids show. You know, it was not like I mean,
I wanted to be on nine O two one oh
because it was like real acting and drama and like,
you know, that was like where I thought, like everyone
should you know, that's where I wanted to be, sort

(42:57):
of just not realizing that there was a whole generation
of teenagers and younger watching our show and holding on
to it, you know, and who would you know. So yeah,
like in the monoculture of the nineties, we were like
low on the total. But I think in general now
everybody wants that monoculture back. They want to like feel
a part of something. I mean, you see how big

(43:19):
it seems like, you know, there's this tipping point where
like Taylor Swift went from being like oh that person
everybody's heard too, like the number one you know, only
concert anybody saw the last three years. And I'm watching
to happen with Sabrina Carpenter right now, who was on
Girl Meets World. By the way, everyone forgets that she
was my daughter on Girl Beats World. But like now

(43:41):
she's reached such levels of popularity you.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Can't in the rabbit holes.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, but people want Mono. They like, oh, like the
whole world is like now loving Sabrina Garmenter, and it's
like there's a drive towards like let's all share in
something together that we all can agree on that we
all like. But it's only at that like upper upper
level anymore. It's no longer you know, three networks. It's

(44:05):
whatever one show everybody's watching this week and then next
week something else.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
It's a million different shows, and Nicole Kidman starts in
all of them. I know she's so much I don't know.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
I really genuinely think she's a great actor obviously, but
by the time I saw a Baby Girl, I was like,
are you again? And like I was too over it.
I couldn't enjoy it. Everyone was like it was so cool.
I'm like, I'm just.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
The same way.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
I was, just like, this is not what I expect.
I don't know. I'm just I've seen her and everything,
so I don't know. But she's great. She's great. I
just don't know how she her. Yeah, you might have
a chance.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, no is She's in everything, and it's it's disturbing
in a way. Yeah. Yeah, but now I'm feeling like
like I felt like we were always in, but we
were kind of out, And now everything I turn on
it's like everybody from the nineties. Yeah, like boy bands,

(45:03):
it's like doing commercials. It's right, yea, this is our
time to strike, is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Right strong, I guess, So, I guess.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
So.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
I mean, I just hope that it can become a
way to create something new and good. You know, I
would love for new content to be made, Like I'd
love to be a part of, you know, writing, directing,
not really acting, but doing something creative that isn't just
nostalgia driven, because that's I don't know. To me, it's

(45:34):
diminishing returns, like you can only go back so many
times before it's like, so I don't know, you can
go home, Okay, So I can just restart my podcast
rewatch once we finish season seven. Go right back to
season one, and.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
You're gonna have to like, what are your choices? I know.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
I mean we like we started it as like we
always said we were gonna it was gonna be a journey,
know that it was going We weren't going to put
expectations on what we how we would feel, and it
has been. It has been such a crazy journey, so
many ups and downs and emotional moments, and then going
live has changed everything. Yeah, yeah, and it's going to

(46:15):
be very different because the last time we were on
tour was over a year ago, and we just realized
that we're like, oh, we have to like figure out
what we're doing this time around, and like what are
we talking about and what does the show feel like?
And it feels different, you know, because when we were
first doing the tour, there was a sense of like
we just discovered Boy Meets World because I had never
seen the show and so watching it in the podcast

(46:36):
was like, oh, this is pretty good, and so it
was like meeting the fans as a fan too for
the first time. But now it's feels something different because
now we're in season six, which is not as good,
and and we've been through so much just with the
podcast that it's it's yeah, the live shows are going
to feel a little different, I think, I'm sure exactly.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
I feel like people want to see the three of
you do anything together.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
And I'd like to think so. I mean, when you
have chemistry, you have chemistry, and like we do, like
it's really it's it's turned out into a great dynamic.
I you know, when we first were talking about it,
I don't think Will and I realized how good of
a host Danielle was and an interviewer, and we just

(47:19):
had this. We had a couple of meetings and we said,
you know, we should have one person sort of anchor
the point of view and like read the feedback, like
read the recaps of the episodes, and we're like, it
should be Danielle because you were you know, you were
the youngest uh to be going through this, you know.
And that turned out to be the best decision we
ever made because she's such a good host and when

(47:40):
she's like keeping us on point and doing she does
great interviews, so she can really like sort of be
the guiding voice. And then Will is so funny, like
he's just off the cuff. His brain just works in
this crazy way, which I always knew, but I hadn't
really seen it in action, like performance wise until we

(48:01):
started recording the podcast or doing the live shows. And
you see him like he just always knows the funniest
thing like that. Any if somebody says something sets him up,
and he'll he'll bring callbacks from like twenty minutes ago,
and like he's these layers and then I'm the pretentious asshole.
So it works out perfectly, like between the three of us.
It's like it's a you know, because I just I'm

(48:22):
just want mope, bringing everything down and like over analyzing,
and they pull me out, and I think, like you know,
the fans, like our listeners can really it's just a
it's a good space.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Like it works out interesting. Yeah, okay, bye, I'm imagine
that it was fun. Wait. I think I asked sorry,
I got to go back to Henriver one last time.
I think I asked you this, but I don't remember
what you told me. Why they've never done a remake
or they did.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
They did a remake which I've never seen kind of intentionally,
I'm just avoiding it. They took the exact same script
and reshot it. Yeah, and I just I've never seen it.
I don't really want to. I have no idea. I
have no idea. I totally avoided it, like it seems
like such a weird project, and it wasn't. As far

(49:18):
as I know, it wasn't super well received because it
was like, if you like the original movie, why do this.
It's like when they did that Psycho shot for shot remake,
It's like, why, what's the It's kind of like a
film experiment. But I don't know if it's really appealing
to anybody, But Cavin Fever was really it's such a
strange film.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
It's I don't necessarily consider it comedy horror, which I know.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
I know, well that's the thing. It's kind of could
go either way. And like when we were doing it,
we were sitting there going, this is funny, right, Like
can we play this for a joke? And Eli was
like no, no, no, no, play it straight. And I think
what was happening was he had written a level of
comedy into the script, but as we were shooting it,

(50:06):
there's something about the horror that Eli was tapping into,
which is that like seventies eighties gore nudity, Like it's
just like oversaturated, you know, it's just like it's not
just blood, it's blood covering your entire face. And he
would just on set be bringing that energy. And like
at the time Saw hadn't come out, like there hadn't

(50:27):
been that type of like really and as like we
started imbuing the whole film with that manic like just
balls to the wall energy, it became funnier, like and
then the comedy was coming out of the extremity and
like everything was funny it so it's like, oh, now
the kid's gonna scream pancakes and do a karate flip

(50:48):
and it's like what that is? No, there's no logic,
and you're like, you know what at this point, just
go for it, you know, like and so I feel
like there are some people who went in expecting a
straight horror film who were just baffled, and then there
are some people who wanted it to be really like
a comedy horror and they're kind of like, but it's
really gross and awful and a lot of it doesn't
like tonally add up to just comedy. So it's like

(51:11):
this weird. I mean, that's why it's kind of a
cult films, because it's like a mashup. You're like, how
serious am I supposed to take this? And you know,
we just had so much fun. Like I've never now
I've started to do conventions for Kevin Fever, like going
to horror conventions, and it's so fun. We get the
cast back together and we just.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Sit around the task.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Yeah, it's really it's and we're all like, we all
just love each other so much. And we had this
experience like you know, we're all twenty one, twenty four
and yeah, and it wasn't even just making the movie.
It was also like to have it go from this
little tiny film that you know, we got shut down
by the Union, it was never going to get finished

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to you know, being in theaters and having a big,
like a hit horror film was really fun for all
of us.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
I saw it in the theaters in Westwood.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
I can still remember of that. Yeah, it was nice.
And I went to high school with Jordan. I grew
up with her.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Oh away, yeah, oh her.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Mom Cheryl lad did Charlie's Angels to my dad. Oh right, okay,
so I knew were in that way, and I think
our parents' house like was next door to each other.
But there were neighbors because they were so vastly huge.
And then we went to which is now Harvard Westlake,
but we went to school together. She was a year
younger than me.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Next and then when she did that, I was like,
oh my god. I was so excited.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
She was such a sweetheart. Oh my god. Yeah, she
was like yeah for her and I like the first
two weeks of filming because it was like chaos, we
just like bonded and we were like had each other's backs.
We got really close. It was fun. Yeah, did you.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Ever date the actors?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
This is my wife.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
No, that's not true. Rachel Lee Cook was like my
first like serious girlfriend when I was sixteen. We dated.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
How'd you forget that for a second.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Well, I don't know. I just didn't. I mean I
just didn't think about it.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
But I did a movie with her, like her first movie.
She's great.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Yeah, she we we reconnected. She doesn't she doesn't get
done nineties com which doesn't make sense, like they should
do it. She's all that. Really Yeah, but she was
at a different convention. Oh we did it, And so
I saw her for the first time since we were
in our Like maybe i'd seen her in our twenties
once and it was so great to see her. We

(53:28):
like hung out of this convention and I was there
with my wife and my kid hanging out in the
green room. She's great. Yeah she's kids, right, Yeah, she's
two parents. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, it was great to
see her. But other than.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
That, I don't know anyone. Kevin de Fever, No, I'm.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
A cereal serial monogamist. So like, I was always in
a relationship. You believe that. Yeah, I've been with like
I mean, I I had like my first like I
thought in love at eight years old. I was obsessed.
I was with her really like from thirteen to fifteen,
and I dated Rachel for over a year then. I mean,

(54:11):
I was just always moving. I was with somebody for
seven years and then met my wife. Yeah. Pretty again.
I think in part response to the fame thing, Like
I just like, if I had a relationship, I was like,
lock this in. I'm not taking my chances out there
in the world because it's you know, it was always

(54:33):
so overwhelming. Like yeah, and I had a really hard
time trusting girls women, you know, like their motivations when
I was when I was a teenager, it was always.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Like understandable and what is you know?

Speaker 2 (54:48):
So always dated people older than me, like everyone besides Rachel.
I don't think I've ever dated anybody in my own age.
And I think part of that was because the age
cut off meant that they had never seen Point Meets World,
like just automatically. If you were, you know, three years
older than me, you didn't know the show. So it
was fine. I was like, so those are the people
I would relate to or connect with.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
That's so interesting. Yeah, I've only dated really actors really,
but it's all I ever met. Yeah, I never met
anybody else. So instinctually somebody recently was like, okay, you're
single now again, like Korean, I was like, I don't know,
like all the actors are taken, they're like actors, and
I was like, well yeah, and I was like.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Oh, I can date other people. That's funny.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
I date a real person. Oh my god, they won't
understand my life.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
But it's also just who you meet, right, I mean,
like even my my seven year relationship with was with
somebody was a PA. You know, That's how I met her.
So it's like that's who you meet. You meet somebody
and I you know, my my wife and I met
on a show. Yeah, met on a show. And it's interesting,
like because we talked to some people who are in

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the industry who are so happy that their partner is
not you know that they're like a lawyer or a doctor,
something sensible and like steady, and then they can be
the wild card whose career fluctuates and never know what's
gonna happen. But we really love sort of understanding one another,
and I mean we talk about work all the time

(56:20):
and it's actually really nice. And she opened my eyes
for like what an actor like, what it means to
be a real actor. And that's when I was like,
I can't. I'm not gonna do that. You go, but
I'm not. This is too much. So we I mean,
we really bond over the They create a side, you know,
over the industry and all its turmoil. You know, it's

(56:42):
kind of kind of fun. And yeah, I don't know,
if you don't watch TV, she watches TV shows. I
just don't. I always am like, let's go to Criterion,
let's want and she's like, no, I'm not staying up
for a three hour movie. But we he definitely agree
on horror films. We're both like fanatics, so that's like

(57:05):
our time together. Although now she's got this weird thing
where it's not scary enough if I'm there. So she
likes to watch horror films when I'm out of town
and like really get scared because she's alone in the
house watching a horror film like this is this is
some sick shit.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
But okay, do you guys let your son watch horror films?

Speaker 4 (57:22):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Yeah? He well, he doesn't. Well, five Nights of Freddy's
just like his obsession, so right, but actually, yeah, he
saw Jaws at the age of six and loved it
and was obsessed with it. Like, so he definitely likes
darker stuff, but he doesn't he doesn't like Gore at all.
So because I try to show him what we do
in the Shadows, which I thought was right up his

(57:43):
alley because he likes he's humorous, and I'm like, oh,
it's vampires. It's ridiculous. But there's like a scene where
somebody was spurting blood and he was like, turn it off,
turn it. I was like, okay, So Gore's not cool,
but like being scared or something, being around the corner
is cool, So I'm still trying to figure out what
is the line. But yeah, so far he likes horror.
But yeah, I mean my wife's claimed like she watched

(58:04):
Alien when she was six and loved it, and that's
like hooked her her entire life. I think it starts
early if you like horror.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Yeah, I was shown, well I'm older, but Revenge of
the Body Snatchers I've never seen it. I don't see. Yeah,
I was like three.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
I was really into Stephen King too. I read like
all the Stephen King books. Yeah, so anything horror I love.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Yeah, Okay, I'm done, now, are you? I guess I'm
just kidding.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
I'm just messing with you.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Well, thanks for being on.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Of course, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Wall, How do we continue this conversation about this idea
that I don't know? I fine, we can make a movie.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
We just gotta you know, you have to rally the
nineties stars, because I feel like you have much more
pull and you know, a lot more of them.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
I can do that.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Yeah, get a slate together of like ten actors okay
from different shows who are all willing to be in
a movie, and then we find somebody to write a scroup.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
And then done. Yeah, perfect, perfect. This is this is
gonna sell. This is like yeah, okay, I'm on it
sounds good, okay perfect Bye bye, m m m m