December 31, 2024 • 26 mins
We’re still spotlighting our favorite episodes from the LinkedIn Podcast Network. The start of a new year is an opportunity for change, so this week we’re sharing an inspiring conversation about career pivots from Hello Monday. LinkedIn’s Jessi Hempel chats with Peloton’s Robin Arzon about her journey from being a corporate lawyer to becoming a fitness expert. Robin’s story shows us that careers are not linear and taking that leap of faith is worth it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
LinkedIn News.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
From LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts, this is Let's Talk Offline.
I'm Giana Prudenti.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
And I'm Jamaie Jackson Gadsden.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
First of all, Happy New Year, y'all.
Speaker 5 (00:18):
Yay.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
We are still sharing some of our favorite episodes from
other shows in the LinkedIn podcast network.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yes, and because we're heading into a new year, we
know some of our work besties might be thinking about
reinventing their careers, so we're sharing an episode from Hello Monday,
LinkedIn's Jesse Hemple Chatawick Peloton's Robin Arzon about professional pivots.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
We really loved this episode because as someone who's shifted
careers a few times herself, Robin's story is really inspiring
for anyone who might be thinking about pursuing a different profession.
I mean, she went from being a corporate lawyer to
a fitness expert, oh goals. Her story goes to show
that our careers are not linear and we can really
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grow in the most unexpected ways. So we hope you
enjoy this conversation from Hello Monday.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
From the news team at LinkedIn. I'm Jesse Hemple and
this is Hello Monday, our show about the changing nature
of work and how that work is changing us. Even
if you know exactly what you want to do right
from the start, there often comes a point in your
career where it's time to reevaluate. Things change, you change.
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Say you chose law and suddenly you're north of thirty
with an expensive degree and a big career, and you
realize you just don't want to do it. How do
you screw up the courage to leave the safety and
security of the subject you've mastered and start a new career.
Today's guest has some advice.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Say yes before you think you're ready. I see so
many folks hesitant to throw their hands up to say hell, yeah,
I'm gonna do that thing, simply because they haven't trained,
or they haven't read about this or that. It's like,
figure it out along the way.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
You might recognize that voice. You might even work out
with her. That's Robin rs On. She's in charge of
fitness programming for Peloton. Everything she says in her workouts
sounds a bit like that. To hear Robin today, you
might think she was always an athlete. In fact, she
didn't go for her first run until she was in
her twenties. As a kid, Robin was absolutely passionate about
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the law, so much so that she became a lawyer,
and she really loved it for a while. But eight
years in, right around the time that a lot of
people go for partner, Robin decided it was time to
go for something else.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
She left law for.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
A career in fitness. Robin's career story mirrors her approach
to competition. Her dramatic shift looks like a big win
in hindsight, and it is. She's having an incredible run
at Peloton, but justice with her marathons or in Robin's case,
ultra marathons, Robin prepared for this shift. She trained, She
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decided when to hang back and say no to mediocre
opportunities and when to go all out. And most important,
she told herself every day that of course she could
do it. She knows you can too. Here's Robin.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
I wanted to be an attorney since I was ten
years old. My father was an attorney and he was
also a law professor of teaching real estate. So I,
you know, sat at top blue books when I was
you know, four and five years old for the old
school lawyers in the house who actually wrote in blue books.
So I had this enchanted idea that I would arm
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myself with law and you know, go into these these
battles fuelled with justice, and some of that I did do,
but you know, the actuality was different than the vision.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Well, so you you spent a while practicing law, what
was it eight years?
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah, I was a rise seventh year when I when
I left my law firm.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
So maybe it could tell us a little bit about
what you liked and what maybe you liked a little
bit less during that time.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Well, I find for ambitious people, we can it's actually
pretty easy to find an intellectual pursuit that we find interesting,
even if the subject matter is dry. So I was
a corporate litigator. I worked with a lot of sec stuff.
This is at the height of subprime so it was
a very tense time in the market, and I was
able to focus and adapt and just dig in. And
(04:33):
I think intellectual folks often find that it's it's maybe
not easy, but it's simple to just dig in. But
that doesn't mean that it's actually aligning with our with
our values, with our goals, and with a happiness quotient.
That is something that I discovered when I was leading
a divorce existence between athletics and law. So what I
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liked about law, I worked with brilliant partners. I learned
about business. I think through OSMO, I would not have
viewed fitness as a business and myself frankly as a brand,
as a burgeoning brand then had I not worked in
corporate litigation. But I also knew that there was something
palpably missing when I would count down the hours in
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my day until I could go for a thirty minute
run in such a park, so that divorced existence was
not satisfying.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
And that running piece. I was surprised to discover that
you actually hadn't grown up. If you had loved law
at ten, you did not love running at ten.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Right, No, I was allergic to exercise actually into adulthood.
I was the arts and crafts and straight a student.
I did not identify as an athlete. I was petrified
of gym class. I actually was made fun of for
the way I ran when I was a kid. So
I think that that stuck in my brain early as
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something that I didn't do, and I had to really
recreate myself and start to write a different story. Once
I realized that I was curious about what this running
thing was.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
How did you come to running?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Frankly, it was really through trauma. I was in law school,
and the prior year, in my senior year at NYU,
I was held at gunpoint in New York City, and
that experience understandably stayed with me. A year later, when
I was in law school, I realized, Wow, I guess
I didn't really deal with as much of this as
I thought I had, And I have no idea why,
but I was drawn to a pair of shoes that
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were in the back of my closet collecting dust, and
I decided to jog to class one day instead of
you know, drive the mile and a half and that
is where that was really where my journey started.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Wow, And from a mile and a half, you've moved
on to fifty miles.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
In a pub yes, ultra marathon territory.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
So during your the remainder of your path through school
and during the beginning years of your law practice, fitness
was increasingly important to you. When and how did the
way that you feel about it really start to change?
Speaker 4 (06:55):
It was a slow burn, I would say, because they
ran in parallel tracks, you know, up unintended where I
really was still at the ncency of my law career
and feeling like, what's more. And while I was falling
in love with running, I was also getting curious about
what's it like to be in house, what's it like
to practice different areas of law? You know, I dabbled
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in trademarks, I had IP stuff, so I was still
kind of just trying to see if I could make
the passion I found in the run something that I
could find in my day to day law practice. And
because I was so new, having practiced only a few years,
I thought, there's got to be something out there that
I haven't considered. And it was in that search actually
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that I started to realize if I uncheck all the
boxes of what folks say you could do in journalism
or using the written word or storytelling within wellness, which
is really where my mind was going. I thought, maybe
I can create a career that hasn't really happened before.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
As you lay out your law career, and I think
this is true about firm law in some ways, the
path is very set, it's very linear. You have a
good sense of what it looks like, and there's something
very safe to that. And when you choose instead to
take all of the tools, all of the years of school,
in some cases years of student debt, and aim it
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towards a thing that you can't name yet. Well, that's
got to take a level of bravery, and I'm just
curious how you thought about it.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
At the time, it did feel brave, but maybe not
as brave as I realize it was in retrospect. I
bet on myself and I still believe that I'm my
greatest investment. I had to assess my worth and then
add a little tax, and then I had to have
an honest conversation of what I didn't know and what
gaps I needed to fill. And I wasn't unknown in
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the marketplace, certainly in wellness, and I had to acknowledge
that I had to say no quite a few times
to offer as I didn't think were of my value
and continue to bet on myself until I got the
right yeses. And that balancing act for about eighteen months
before I found Peloton was really really challenging, because every
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time you say no and you have a red check,
do you feel like you might be at the end
of the line.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I love that idea of saying no, like you're moving
away from the thing that you have known, you're moving
towards something new. Talk a little bit about figuring out
what to say yes to and when.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I'm a big fan of both journaling and vision boards,
I think they get us in alignment with what the
heck we want, and if we can provide some specificity,
either visually or in the written word, that actually goes
a long way. So what feels like an arts and
crafts exercise of cutting out things and magazines might feel
futile or juvenile, but it actually for me illustrated very
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clearly that I wanted to somehow marry the business acumen
that I had acquired as a lawyer with something that
was forward thinking and modern, marrying technology and entertainment, and
I wanted to insert myself in that story, not telling
other people's stories, but telling my own. It was because
I was able to identify that as sort of objectives
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and values that mattered to me that I was able
to see a blurb of Peloton. I don't even think
it's more than one hundred words about Peloton and Peloton
CEO Don Foley, that I was able to identify that
as the shiny thing that I wanted, and I put myself,
you know, directly in its path. I literally cold emailed
the company and I said we need to work together,
and I was hired I think forty eight hours later.
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So but if I would have just summed right through
the magazine, if I hadn't identified that in myself in
what I wanted my goals to be. So I think
the process really it really starts inward.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Do you still do that? Is, do you journal consistency?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Yes, there are a lot of theories and ways to
navigate goal setting, and you know with acronym smart goals
all that, I totally agree with it. But for me,
it's just a quarterly seasonal gut check of like what
am I doing? Where am I going? Have I been
uncomfortable enough recently? And if the answer is no, I'm
not on the right path.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
How do you continue to remain uncomfortable?
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Oh? I love it. I revered discomfort. As an athlete,
it's actually a pretty easy thing to identify with because
when you're in the middle of a sprint, or you're
at the end of a long run, or when you
picked up the heavier weight that day, you're very uncomfortable,
and in the moment, you don't love it, but you
learn to love the feeling, the after feeling. So when
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you extrapolate that to other areas of your life, it
still rings true.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
When did the idea of athlete become central to your identity.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Increasingly as I was a lawyer. I mean, you don't.
You don't cross a marathon finish line and not adopt
some kind of moniker that honors that accomplishment.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, I guess that's true. Tell me about running your
first marathon.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I ran it. It was New York City Marathon in
twenty ten.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
That was your first one, the New York City Marie, New.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
York City, where I thought it was my first crossing
that finish line in Social Park. It did change me.
And I was still a lawyer, and I was still
in the throes of my low career and really trying
to get on that partner track. And it planted a seed.
It planted a seed of curiosity, and I was not
able to ignore it.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
There's this thing that I have heard you say in
a couple of your workouts. Now maybe you say in
everyone where you remind us as we're running that relaxing
in the stride is a key to efficiency. The efficiency
of the run, I'm getting it wrong. Do you know
what I'm talking about? Yeah, better than I do.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
A relaxed runner is an efficient runner.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I listened to that and it totally speaks to me
because I'm like, Oh, that's not about running, that's about
everything else. And I'm curious if that is what fitness
feels like to you.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
In every area of our lives, we're doing this delicate
dance between tension and resistance that often creates momentum and
release from that tension so we can actually get things done. Right. So,
if you're constantly tensed, that actually isn't a state of
being that is effective. But when we do that delicate
dance between that forward momentum which requires discomfort and resistance
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and the release of it, I mean that is literally
the contract and relax of a muscle. And frankly, I
do believe that willpower is a muscle. I believe that resiliency,
you know, is like a muscle. The more that we
visit those opportunities, the greater prepared we are for the
next one. We'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Stick around. So how did you get the peloton job?
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You said it took about forty eight hours after a
cold email.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
I sent an email to the company after I read
about Platon as a blurb in a magazine, and I
just knew that that was it for me. I had
this gut feeling that I was going to work for them,
And I was the third instructor hired, and I was
hired a few months before we opened our original New
York City studio, And I guess the rest is kind
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of history.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
How central is intuition to the way that you make
your choices about your career?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Hugely? I agree that we should be prepared and we
should be educated, But are you acting it out or
are you figuring it out like? Just act it like
just start? So I do believe that my intuition, through
practices like listening to my own internal conversation on runs,
actually informs what I do greatly. I don't always need
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to consult with a loved one or someone I respect
to make a decision. In fact, I often don't. I
think I am my own best advocate.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Well, it seems like one of the things that you
advocate four in your work is helping people the better
listen to themselves. Again, you cloak it under the umbrella
of fitness. When people are running with you. You know,
you think you're working on your physical body, but so
much of the message that you seem to bring to
the people that you're working out with is like, make
space and make time to hear yourself and trust yourself.
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How do you learn that?
Speaker 4 (15:23):
I have to credit marathons training for that, honestly. I mean,
you don't log thousands of miles and without developing a
trust for your abilities and your inner conversation. And that
is the beauty I think of endurance training is that
when you're out there for a few hours, you've got
to confront yourself. When I ran five marathons in five
days across Utah to raise money for MS research, I
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actually did the majority of those marathons without any podcasts
or audiobooks or music, And that was part of the
right of passage for me, was to say, Okay, you've
reached this place in your running journey, can you actually
do it just out there with yourself on the road
in the mountains and deserving the beauty of Utah, Which
was definitely a challenge, but I'm better for it.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, what's the next challenge?
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Then? I really fell in love with barbell training in
the past year. So that was an interesting pivot for
me that I still run five days a week, but
marrying that with the trepidation I first felt. You know,
putting a barbell over my head was a different kind
of fear, and I thought, ooh, that must be my
next challenge because I was no longer fearing the run
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and healthy fear. So yeah, now I fear the barbell.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
What have you learned about working at Peloton that you
might not have been able to learn in the same
way at corporate law form.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
I have learned so much about business working cross functionally
with our teams at Peloton, because we're not just a
connected fitness company. In many ways, we're a media company.
We're of course a hardware company. We're in the inspiration
business right from the instructor perspective. I am the head
instructor Peloton, and we have folks internationally now and.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Seeing how folks are able to bring a genuine, voracious
passion for movement but then also marry it with all
of the things that make a media company a media
company and a network and network and.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
A business of business. Yeah, it makes me really proud
to wear a pee on my chest because we are
often wearing many hats.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
So is there any skill set that is the lead
skill set, the most important skill set among them.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
I'm hesitant to say it, but this is the real answer.
It is the authenticity of wanting to do this work.
Because authenticity now feels like a buzzword in marketing, but
you know it when you see it, and so does
the consumer. Over thousands of hours of sweating with someone,
you really know who they are. And that is what
we have on earth in the folks who have ultimately
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joined the team, is that there is a First of all,
it's an eye towards a long term partnership with the company.
And second, there is a true authenticity and a passion
for getting people to move and step into their power.
But from their point of view.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
What's your relationship like with the people who are working
out with you? Since it's I mean that is often
not a person.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
I think our members inspire the instructors more than we
inspire them.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
To be honest, Well, I have to tell you that
as I was preparing for this, I mentioned it to
a few people I know who ride peloton and they
answered in a way that it felt to me like
you were a friend. That they really wanted to come
through for And this is not just one person, this
is multiple people, multiple genders, and that's a lot of
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responsibility to carry Robin.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
There is an intimacy to the relationship that's very different
than going to watch you know, Angelina jo Lee in
a movie or something like this is Yeah, there is
a friendliness and an intimacy. And when your sweating and
the endorphins are added to the party, that's a that's
a transformative experience.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I'd say that's the right phrase. So where does your
energy come from to be able to continue to bring
it over and over? For so many people?
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Sleep? I am notoriously a fan of sleep. I am
a lights out at nine pm kind of gal. I
really do prioritize my own my fuel, my sleep, my relationships,
you know, with my family and those closest to me,
and I own the power of no. No is a
complete sentence, no with a period at the end of
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it is a full statement. So I establish boundaries in
order to protect my energy.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
That makes a lot of sense. What's your own workout schedule?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Like, you know what, the peloton classes aren't my own workouts.
I kind of include them in the when I'm looking
at the five thousand foot view of what I do
every week, but they're not my training sessions. I'm really
there up service and to be a coach and to
be a guide. My workout sessions are usually six days
a week, anywhere from two to three hours a day,
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depending on the season. When my running volume is up,
those hours go up. And when I'm right now, I'm
in a season of doing much more strength training, especially
you know, since we've all been at home so much.
The balance is usually four days a week of a
cardio intensive workout, anything from intervals to more endurance cardio training,
and four to five sessions a week of strength So.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
How long now has it been since you practiced law?
Speaker 4 (20:16):
When did I leave? I left two weeks before the
twenty twelve London Olympic Games.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Wow, an interesting uh anchor to market by Yeah, surprising,
I guess. So as you think about that Robin, the
Robin of twenty twelve, and I ask this knowing that
you encourage us to think about the people we are
in twenty twenty five, to look ahead and to take
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care of those people. Now, what would you tell that
Robin of twenty twelve?
Speaker 4 (20:49):
I would tell her that pain becomes power. I would
also tell her that to consistently and continually ask herself,
why not me? That was the question I started to
ask myself when I left laws. Why not me? Like?
Why can't I be that person to monetize a career
and running and wellness even though you know I will
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never be part of the Olympic Games or part of
a competitive team. So I would remind her to continue
to ask that question.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
You know, we just had a woman named Angela Duckworth
on the show. She went a MacArthur Genius Grant for
her work around this idea of grit, and the idea
is basically, yeah, talent matters, IQ matters, but more than
talent or IQ, your perseverance and your commitment over time matter.
And as I think about your career path and your
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work and your commitment to really trusting yourself and that
you're going to continue to get closer and closer to
what you want to achieve, that to me feels like
a model for grit. Is that a word that you
connect with?
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Yes, it is. In fact, I always say I only
train with royalty and the jewels in the crown are
made of grit and hustle. I mean, diamonds are nice.
You can give me a diamond, but I've got my
own crown, baby, and I have my own diamond factory
because I do it all the time when I lace
up or when I'm on the peloton bike.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
It comes from you.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
It's self generated. Blink.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Anything that we haven't covered that you would, as you
reflect on your own career, that you would want to
make sure that people understood about that.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Path, say yes before you think you're ready. I see
so many folks hesitant to throw their hands up to
say hell, yeah, I'm gonna do that thing, simply because
they haven't trained, or they haven't read about this or that.
It's like, figure it out along the way. If you
make it matter, you will make it happen period, and
you might fail. But failure is just information. I consider
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failure to be like the results of a Google search
and I, Okay, what am I going to learn? Got it?
Moving on? So let's start to reframe those ideas, both
of our own agency and our capacity to level up,
but also our capacity to deal with failure. It's not
as scary once you do it repeatedly.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Well, if you ever really gone for something that you
haven't been able to achieve, that you've been disappointed.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
By Yeah, all the time. Actually, I auditioned for a
competitor in the fitness space, That's all I'll say. And
I auditioned for them, I would say probably eight months
before I read about Poloton and they said, you know what,
you just don't got it. Sorry, it's not going to work,
and that no. That's one of the most significant nos,
because if they would have told me yes, I would
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have been in a year long, you know, noncompete with
this other competitor, and who knows where they would have
taken me. So I do believe in sometimes the required
pivot is a blessing in disguise.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
How do you come back from that note in specifically,
how did you come back from that know with grace?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Well, you know what, I think that the know at
that time was warranted. I probably wasn't any good, but
it became a catalyst, right. I was like, Okay, nobody's
gonna tell me no again in this regard. So I
just got better. I believe in banging on our chest
and saying damn, I got this, Like I will literally
look in the mirror before I need to go for
a big workout or a big performance or a big
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ride on the peloton and bang on my chest and
look in myself in the eyes and say damn, let's go.
But you also have to have enough humility to know, Okay,
I've still got work to do.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
That was Robin Arson. You can check her classes out
at one peloton dot com and learn more about her
work at Robinarzon dot com. And hey, this episode came
from you listeners. During office hours, several listeners got talking
about how much they love Peloton and how it'd be
great to have Robin on the show. So I reached
out and she said, yes, who else do you want
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to hear from? Let me know. Email us at Hello
Monday at LinkedIn dot com. And just so you know, well,
Robin leftlaw. There are many many people who find a
rich and satisfying career in it, like my friend Lindsay Garrison.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Law, if you do it right, is a place where
you can feel like you're making a difference in the world,
where you can help people, where you can make people's
lives better, and use this toolkit of cases and legal
arguments and just make a compelling story and actually change
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people's lives for the better and.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
If you could do that, you could be a really
happy lawyer. Well, you're a very happy lawyer, am I right?
Speaker 5 (25:27):
I never ever would have thought that I would still
be at a law firm this many years after law school.
But I'm still super happy.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
If you like the show, please rate us on Apple Podcasts.
It really helps new listeners find us. Hello Monday is
a production of LinkedIn. The show is produced by Sarah
Storm with help from Madison Shafer. Tim Boland mixed our show.
Fludencia Riando is head of original audio and video. Dave
Pond is our technical director. Victoria Taylor and Juliette Farau
self generate blaying out of grit and hustle every week.
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Our music was composed just for us by the mysterious
Master Cylinder. You also heard music from Puttington Bear. Dan
Roth is the editor in chief of LinkedIn. I'm Jesse Hemple.
See you next Monday. Thanks for listening. When do you
think we give up on zoom meetings and just go
with the audio.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I know I've actually established some boundaries recently where unless
it's like one on one, like I've just said, I'm
going to collapse the screen and just give we're gonna
go back to like I'm gonna pretend this is a
rotary phone because there is like an added social pressure
to it that I don't think is always helpful, especially
when it's hours a day.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Well, and also it kind of kills the intimacy to
some degree. There is a way that when you get
rid of the obligation of looking at somebody, you can
focus and concentrate on listening to them.
LinkedIn News.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
From LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts, this is Let's Talk Offline.
I'm Giana Prudenti.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
And I'm Jamaie Jackson Gadsden.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
First of all, Happy New Year, y'all.
Speaker 5 (00:18):
Yay.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
We are still sharing some of our favorite episodes from
other shows in the LinkedIn podcast network.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yes, and because we're heading into a new year, we
know some of our work besties might be thinking about
reinventing their careers, so we're sharing an episode from Hello Monday,
LinkedIn's Jesse Hemple Chatawick Peloton's Robin Arzon about professional pivots.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
We really loved this episode because as someone who's shifted
careers a few times herself, Robin's story is really inspiring
for anyone who might be thinking about pursuing a different profession.
I mean, she went from being a corporate lawyer to
a fitness expert, oh goals. Her story goes to show
that our careers are not linear and we can really
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grow in the most unexpected ways. So we hope you
enjoy this conversation from Hello Monday.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
From the news team at LinkedIn. I'm Jesse Hemple and
this is Hello Monday, our show about the changing nature
of work and how that work is changing us. Even
if you know exactly what you want to do right
from the start, there often comes a point in your
career where it's time to reevaluate. Things change, you change.
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Say you chose law and suddenly you're north of thirty
with an expensive degree and a big career, and you
realize you just don't want to do it. How do
you screw up the courage to leave the safety and
security of the subject you've mastered and start a new career.
Today's guest has some advice.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Say yes before you think you're ready. I see so
many folks hesitant to throw their hands up to say hell, yeah,
I'm gonna do that thing, simply because they haven't trained,
or they haven't read about this or that. It's like,
figure it out along the way.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
You might recognize that voice. You might even work out
with her. That's Robin rs On. She's in charge of
fitness programming for Peloton. Everything she says in her workouts
sounds a bit like that. To hear Robin today, you
might think she was always an athlete. In fact, she
didn't go for her first run until she was in
her twenties. As a kid, Robin was absolutely passionate about
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the law, so much so that she became a lawyer,
and she really loved it for a while. But eight
years in, right around the time that a lot of
people go for partner, Robin decided it was time to
go for something else.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
She left law for.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
A career in fitness. Robin's career story mirrors her approach
to competition. Her dramatic shift looks like a big win
in hindsight, and it is. She's having an incredible run
at Peloton, but justice with her marathons or in Robin's case,
ultra marathons, Robin prepared for this shift. She trained, She
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decided when to hang back and say no to mediocre
opportunities and when to go all out. And most important,
she told herself every day that of course she could
do it. She knows you can too. Here's Robin.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
I wanted to be an attorney since I was ten
years old. My father was an attorney and he was
also a law professor of teaching real estate. So I,
you know, sat at top blue books when I was
you know, four and five years old for the old
school lawyers in the house who actually wrote in blue books.
So I had this enchanted idea that I would arm
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myself with law and you know, go into these these
battles fuelled with justice, and some of that I did do,
but you know, the actuality was different than the vision.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Well, so you you spent a while practicing law, what
was it eight years?
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah, I was a rise seventh year when I when
I left my law firm.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
So maybe it could tell us a little bit about
what you liked and what maybe you liked a little
bit less during that time.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Well, I find for ambitious people, we can it's actually
pretty easy to find an intellectual pursuit that we find interesting,
even if the subject matter is dry. So I was
a corporate litigator. I worked with a lot of sec stuff.
This is at the height of subprime so it was
a very tense time in the market, and I was
able to focus and adapt and just dig in. And
(04:33):
I think intellectual folks often find that it's it's maybe
not easy, but it's simple to just dig in. But
that doesn't mean that it's actually aligning with our with
our values, with our goals, and with a happiness quotient.
That is something that I discovered when I was leading
a divorce existence between athletics and law. So what I
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liked about law, I worked with brilliant partners. I learned
about business. I think through OSMO, I would not have
viewed fitness as a business and myself frankly as a brand,
as a burgeoning brand then had I not worked in
corporate litigation. But I also knew that there was something
palpably missing when I would count down the hours in
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my day until I could go for a thirty minute
run in such a park, so that divorced existence was
not satisfying.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
And that running piece. I was surprised to discover that
you actually hadn't grown up. If you had loved law
at ten, you did not love running at ten.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Right, No, I was allergic to exercise actually into adulthood.
I was the arts and crafts and straight a student.
I did not identify as an athlete. I was petrified
of gym class. I actually was made fun of for
the way I ran when I was a kid. So
I think that that stuck in my brain early as
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something that I didn't do, and I had to really
recreate myself and start to write a different story. Once
I realized that I was curious about what this running
thing was.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
How did you come to running?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Frankly, it was really through trauma. I was in law school,
and the prior year, in my senior year at NYU,
I was held at gunpoint in New York City, and
that experience understandably stayed with me. A year later, when
I was in law school, I realized, Wow, I guess
I didn't really deal with as much of this as
I thought I had, And I have no idea why,
but I was drawn to a pair of shoes that
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were in the back of my closet collecting dust, and
I decided to jog to class one day instead of
you know, drive the mile and a half and that
is where that was really where my journey started.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Wow, And from a mile and a half, you've moved
on to fifty miles.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
In a pub yes, ultra marathon territory.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
So during your the remainder of your path through school
and during the beginning years of your law practice, fitness
was increasingly important to you. When and how did the
way that you feel about it really start to change?
Speaker 4 (06:55):
It was a slow burn, I would say, because they
ran in parallel tracks, you know, up unintended where I
really was still at the ncency of my law career
and feeling like, what's more. And while I was falling
in love with running, I was also getting curious about
what's it like to be in house, what's it like
to practice different areas of law? You know, I dabbled
(07:15):
in trademarks, I had IP stuff, so I was still
kind of just trying to see if I could make
the passion I found in the run something that I
could find in my day to day law practice. And
because I was so new, having practiced only a few years,
I thought, there's got to be something out there that
I haven't considered. And it was in that search actually
(07:38):
that I started to realize if I uncheck all the
boxes of what folks say you could do in journalism
or using the written word or storytelling within wellness, which
is really where my mind was going. I thought, maybe
I can create a career that hasn't really happened before.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
As you lay out your law career, and I think
this is true about firm law in some ways, the
path is very set, it's very linear. You have a
good sense of what it looks like, and there's something
very safe to that. And when you choose instead to
take all of the tools, all of the years of school,
in some cases years of student debt, and aim it
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towards a thing that you can't name yet. Well, that's
got to take a level of bravery, and I'm just
curious how you thought about it.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
At the time, it did feel brave, but maybe not
as brave as I realize it was in retrospect. I
bet on myself and I still believe that I'm my
greatest investment. I had to assess my worth and then
add a little tax, and then I had to have
an honest conversation of what I didn't know and what
gaps I needed to fill. And I wasn't unknown in
(08:46):
the marketplace, certainly in wellness, and I had to acknowledge
that I had to say no quite a few times
to offer as I didn't think were of my value
and continue to bet on myself until I got the
right yeses. And that balancing act for about eighteen months
before I found Peloton was really really challenging, because every
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time you say no and you have a red check,
do you feel like you might be at the end
of the line.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I love that idea of saying no, like you're moving
away from the thing that you have known, you're moving
towards something new. Talk a little bit about figuring out
what to say yes to and when.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I'm a big fan of both journaling and vision boards,
I think they get us in alignment with what the
heck we want, and if we can provide some specificity,
either visually or in the written word, that actually goes
a long way. So what feels like an arts and
crafts exercise of cutting out things and magazines might feel
futile or juvenile, but it actually for me illustrated very
(09:49):
clearly that I wanted to somehow marry the business acumen
that I had acquired as a lawyer with something that
was forward thinking and modern, marrying technology and entertainment, and
I wanted to insert myself in that story, not telling
other people's stories, but telling my own. It was because
I was able to identify that as sort of objectives
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and values that mattered to me that I was able
to see a blurb of Peloton. I don't even think
it's more than one hundred words about Peloton and Peloton
CEO Don Foley, that I was able to identify that
as the shiny thing that I wanted, and I put myself,
you know, directly in its path. I literally cold emailed
the company and I said we need to work together,
and I was hired I think forty eight hours later.
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So but if I would have just summed right through
the magazine, if I hadn't identified that in myself in
what I wanted my goals to be. So I think
the process really it really starts inward.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Do you still do that? Is, do you journal consistency?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Yes, there are a lot of theories and ways to
navigate goal setting, and you know with acronym smart goals
all that, I totally agree with it. But for me,
it's just a quarterly seasonal gut check of like what
am I doing? Where am I going? Have I been
uncomfortable enough recently? And if the answer is no, I'm
not on the right path.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
How do you continue to remain uncomfortable?
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Oh? I love it. I revered discomfort. As an athlete,
it's actually a pretty easy thing to identify with because
when you're in the middle of a sprint, or you're
at the end of a long run, or when you
picked up the heavier weight that day, you're very uncomfortable,
and in the moment, you don't love it, but you
learn to love the feeling, the after feeling. So when
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you extrapolate that to other areas of your life, it
still rings true.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
When did the idea of athlete become central to your identity.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Increasingly as I was a lawyer. I mean, you don't.
You don't cross a marathon finish line and not adopt
some kind of moniker that honors that accomplishment.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, I guess that's true. Tell me about running your
first marathon.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I ran it. It was New York City Marathon in
twenty ten.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
That was your first one, the New York City Marie, New.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
York City, where I thought it was my first crossing
that finish line in Social Park. It did change me.
And I was still a lawyer, and I was still
in the throes of my low career and really trying
to get on that partner track. And it planted a seed.
It planted a seed of curiosity, and I was not
able to ignore it.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
There's this thing that I have heard you say in
a couple of your workouts. Now maybe you say in
everyone where you remind us as we're running that relaxing
in the stride is a key to efficiency. The efficiency
of the run, I'm getting it wrong. Do you know
what I'm talking about? Yeah, better than I do.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
A relaxed runner is an efficient runner.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I listened to that and it totally speaks to me
because I'm like, Oh, that's not about running, that's about
everything else. And I'm curious if that is what fitness
feels like to you.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
In every area of our lives, we're doing this delicate
dance between tension and resistance that often creates momentum and
release from that tension so we can actually get things done. Right. So,
if you're constantly tensed, that actually isn't a state of
being that is effective. But when we do that delicate
dance between that forward momentum which requires discomfort and resistance
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and the release of it, I mean that is literally
the contract and relax of a muscle. And frankly, I
do believe that willpower is a muscle. I believe that resiliency,
you know, is like a muscle. The more that we
visit those opportunities, the greater prepared we are for the
next one. We'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Stick around. So how did you get the peloton job?
(13:59):
You said it took about forty eight hours after a
cold email.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
I sent an email to the company after I read
about Platon as a blurb in a magazine, and I
just knew that that was it for me. I had
this gut feeling that I was going to work for them,
And I was the third instructor hired, and I was
hired a few months before we opened our original New
York City studio, And I guess the rest is kind
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of history.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
How central is intuition to the way that you make
your choices about your career?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Hugely? I agree that we should be prepared and we
should be educated, But are you acting it out or
are you figuring it out like? Just act it like
just start? So I do believe that my intuition, through
practices like listening to my own internal conversation on runs,
actually informs what I do greatly. I don't always need
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to consult with a loved one or someone I respect
to make a decision. In fact, I often don't. I
think I am my own best advocate.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Well, it seems like one of the things that you
advocate four in your work is helping people the better
listen to themselves. Again, you cloak it under the umbrella
of fitness. When people are running with you. You know,
you think you're working on your physical body, but so
much of the message that you seem to bring to
the people that you're working out with is like, make
space and make time to hear yourself and trust yourself.
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How do you learn that?
Speaker 4 (15:23):
I have to credit marathons training for that, honestly. I mean,
you don't log thousands of miles and without developing a
trust for your abilities and your inner conversation. And that
is the beauty I think of endurance training is that
when you're out there for a few hours, you've got
to confront yourself. When I ran five marathons in five
days across Utah to raise money for MS research, I
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actually did the majority of those marathons without any podcasts
or audiobooks or music, And that was part of the
right of passage for me, was to say, Okay, you've
reached this place in your running journey, can you actually
do it just out there with yourself on the road
in the mountains and deserving the beauty of Utah, Which
was definitely a challenge, but I'm better for it.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, what's the next challenge?
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Then? I really fell in love with barbell training in
the past year. So that was an interesting pivot for
me that I still run five days a week, but
marrying that with the trepidation I first felt. You know,
putting a barbell over my head was a different kind
of fear, and I thought, ooh, that must be my
next challenge because I was no longer fearing the run
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and healthy fear. So yeah, now I fear the barbell.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
What have you learned about working at Peloton that you
might not have been able to learn in the same
way at corporate law form.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
I have learned so much about business working cross functionally
with our teams at Peloton, because we're not just a
connected fitness company. In many ways, we're a media company.
We're of course a hardware company. We're in the inspiration
business right from the instructor perspective. I am the head
instructor Peloton, and we have folks internationally now and.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Seeing how folks are able to bring a genuine, voracious
passion for movement but then also marry it with all
of the things that make a media company a media
company and a network and network and.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
A business of business. Yeah, it makes me really proud
to wear a pee on my chest because we are
often wearing many hats.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
So is there any skill set that is the lead
skill set, the most important skill set among them.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
I'm hesitant to say it, but this is the real answer.
It is the authenticity of wanting to do this work.
Because authenticity now feels like a buzzword in marketing, but
you know it when you see it, and so does
the consumer. Over thousands of hours of sweating with someone,
you really know who they are. And that is what
we have on earth in the folks who have ultimately
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joined the team, is that there is a First of all,
it's an eye towards a long term partnership with the company.
And second, there is a true authenticity and a passion
for getting people to move and step into their power.
But from their point of view.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
What's your relationship like with the people who are working
out with you? Since it's I mean that is often
not a person.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
I think our members inspire the instructors more than we
inspire them.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
To be honest, Well, I have to tell you that
as I was preparing for this, I mentioned it to
a few people I know who ride peloton and they
answered in a way that it felt to me like
you were a friend. That they really wanted to come
through for And this is not just one person, this
is multiple people, multiple genders, and that's a lot of
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responsibility to carry Robin.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
There is an intimacy to the relationship that's very different
than going to watch you know, Angelina jo Lee in
a movie or something like this is Yeah, there is
a friendliness and an intimacy. And when your sweating and
the endorphins are added to the party, that's a that's
a transformative experience.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I'd say that's the right phrase. So where does your
energy come from to be able to continue to bring
it over and over? For so many people?
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Sleep? I am notoriously a fan of sleep. I am
a lights out at nine pm kind of gal. I
really do prioritize my own my fuel, my sleep, my relationships,
you know, with my family and those closest to me,
and I own the power of no. No is a
complete sentence, no with a period at the end of
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it is a full statement. So I establish boundaries in
order to protect my energy.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
That makes a lot of sense. What's your own workout schedule?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Like, you know what, the peloton classes aren't my own workouts.
I kind of include them in the when I'm looking
at the five thousand foot view of what I do
every week, but they're not my training sessions. I'm really
there up service and to be a coach and to
be a guide. My workout sessions are usually six days
a week, anywhere from two to three hours a day,
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depending on the season. When my running volume is up,
those hours go up. And when I'm right now, I'm
in a season of doing much more strength training, especially
you know, since we've all been at home so much.
The balance is usually four days a week of a
cardio intensive workout, anything from intervals to more endurance cardio training,
and four to five sessions a week of strength So.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
How long now has it been since you practiced law?
Speaker 4 (20:16):
When did I leave? I left two weeks before the
twenty twelve London Olympic Games.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Wow, an interesting uh anchor to market by Yeah, surprising,
I guess. So as you think about that Robin, the
Robin of twenty twelve, and I ask this knowing that
you encourage us to think about the people we are
in twenty twenty five, to look ahead and to take
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care of those people. Now, what would you tell that
Robin of twenty twelve?
Speaker 4 (20:49):
I would tell her that pain becomes power. I would
also tell her that to consistently and continually ask herself,
why not me? That was the question I started to
ask myself when I left laws. Why not me? Like?
Why can't I be that person to monetize a career
and running and wellness even though you know I will
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never be part of the Olympic Games or part of
a competitive team. So I would remind her to continue
to ask that question.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
You know, we just had a woman named Angela Duckworth
on the show. She went a MacArthur Genius Grant for
her work around this idea of grit, and the idea
is basically, yeah, talent matters, IQ matters, but more than
talent or IQ, your perseverance and your commitment over time matter.
And as I think about your career path and your
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work and your commitment to really trusting yourself and that
you're going to continue to get closer and closer to
what you want to achieve, that to me feels like
a model for grit. Is that a word that you
connect with?
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Yes, it is. In fact, I always say I only
train with royalty and the jewels in the crown are
made of grit and hustle. I mean, diamonds are nice.
You can give me a diamond, but I've got my
own crown, baby, and I have my own diamond factory
because I do it all the time when I lace
up or when I'm on the peloton bike.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
It comes from you.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
It's self generated. Blink.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Anything that we haven't covered that you would, as you
reflect on your own career, that you would want to
make sure that people understood about that.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Path, say yes before you think you're ready. I see
so many folks hesitant to throw their hands up to
say hell, yeah, I'm gonna do that thing, simply because
they haven't trained, or they haven't read about this or that.
It's like, figure it out along the way. If you
make it matter, you will make it happen period, and
you might fail. But failure is just information. I consider
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failure to be like the results of a Google search
and I, Okay, what am I going to learn? Got it?
Moving on? So let's start to reframe those ideas, both
of our own agency and our capacity to level up,
but also our capacity to deal with failure. It's not
as scary once you do it repeatedly.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Well, if you ever really gone for something that you
haven't been able to achieve, that you've been disappointed.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
By Yeah, all the time. Actually, I auditioned for a
competitor in the fitness space, That's all I'll say. And
I auditioned for them, I would say probably eight months
before I read about Poloton and they said, you know what,
you just don't got it. Sorry, it's not going to work,
and that no. That's one of the most significant nos,
because if they would have told me yes, I would
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have been in a year long, you know, noncompete with
this other competitor, and who knows where they would have
taken me. So I do believe in sometimes the required
pivot is a blessing in disguise.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
How do you come back from that note in specifically,
how did you come back from that know with grace?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Well, you know what, I think that the know at
that time was warranted. I probably wasn't any good, but
it became a catalyst, right. I was like, Okay, nobody's
gonna tell me no again in this regard. So I
just got better. I believe in banging on our chest
and saying damn, I got this, Like I will literally
look in the mirror before I need to go for
a big workout or a big performance or a big
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ride on the peloton and bang on my chest and
look in myself in the eyes and say damn, let's go.
But you also have to have enough humility to know, Okay,
I've still got work to do.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
That was Robin Arson. You can check her classes out
at one peloton dot com and learn more about her
work at Robinarzon dot com. And hey, this episode came
from you listeners. During office hours, several listeners got talking
about how much they love Peloton and how it'd be
great to have Robin on the show. So I reached
out and she said, yes, who else do you want
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to hear from? Let me know. Email us at Hello
Monday at LinkedIn dot com. And just so you know, well,
Robin leftlaw. There are many many people who find a
rich and satisfying career in it, like my friend Lindsay Garrison.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Law, if you do it right, is a place where
you can feel like you're making a difference in the world,
where you can help people, where you can make people's
lives better, and use this toolkit of cases and legal
arguments and just make a compelling story and actually change
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people's lives for the better and.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
If you could do that, you could be a really
happy lawyer. Well, you're a very happy lawyer, am I right?
Speaker 5 (25:27):
I never ever would have thought that I would still
be at a law firm this many years after law school.
But I'm still super happy.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
If you like the show, please rate us on Apple Podcasts.
It really helps new listeners find us. Hello Monday is
a production of LinkedIn. The show is produced by Sarah
Storm with help from Madison Shafer. Tim Boland mixed our show.
Fludencia Riando is head of original audio and video. Dave
Pond is our technical director. Victoria Taylor and Juliette Farau
self generate blaying out of grit and hustle every week.
(25:57):
Our music was composed just for us by the mysterious
Master Cylinder. You also heard music from Puttington Bear. Dan
Roth is the editor in chief of LinkedIn. I'm Jesse Hemple.
See you next Monday. Thanks for listening. When do you
think we give up on zoom meetings and just go
with the audio.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I know I've actually established some boundaries recently where unless
it's like one on one, like I've just said, I'm
going to collapse the screen and just give we're gonna
go back to like I'm gonna pretend this is a
rotary phone because there is like an added social pressure
to it that I don't think is always helpful, especially
when it's hours a day.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Well, and also it kind of kills the intimacy to
some degree. There is a way that when you get
rid of the obligation of looking at somebody, you can
focus and concentrate on listening to them.
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