June 26, 2025 • 38 mins
On this episode of Levels to This, Sheryl Swoopes and Terrika Foster-Brasby go live from Fanatics Fest with special guest Cynthia Cooper. The trio shares their favorite moments from the event, including run-ins with sports legends and fans. They reflect on their playing days, the physicality of the game back then, and how it compares to today’s style. The three talk about the evolution of the WNBA, the rise of new stars like Juju Watkins, and what NIL deals mean for the future of women’s sports.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Levels To.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
This is an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with
Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on
the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey,
what's up, y'all? It's your girl, ta Rica Foster Brassby,
what's going on?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Y'all's your girl?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Cheryl swoops Yes, Yes, And this is a special episode
of Levels to this podcast this week because Cheryl and
I were at Fanatics Fest acting a whole damn fool
cutting up.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
But it was good. It was good.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
It was so good. It was so good. We had
our good, our very special guests. I ain't gonna tell
you who it is. You just wanted to listen to
it and figure out who it is. But we wanted
to let y'all know that this is a live episode,
so there is live conversation with those in the audience
and things like that. But end of the day, we
hope you enjoy listening to it just as much as
(00:51):
we enjoyed recording it. Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Hi, y'all doing it wonderful?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Thank you guys for.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Joining Levels to this podcast here live at Fanatics Fest.
I'm Tarika Foster Brasby, and.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
What's up, y'all? I am your girl, Cheryl Swoops.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Y'all know Cheryl, the Hall of Famer, the four time champion.
I know we got a good guest.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
That's not gonna be fun.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
This is gonna be so much fun. We have an
incredible guest that y'all are gonna love that's joining us today.
But first before we get to the guest part. Sure,
how have you been enjoining Fanatics Fest? I'm I am
too old for this, oh my god, but I have
been having a blast. You know.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
You know what's funny?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Are you an America?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I'm an'shi row Come on now, Okay, I'm gonna bring
them up on stage, won't.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Here's what I'll say.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
It's been like there's a lot going on at Fanatics Pest.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
It is this was this is my first time, and
I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Get like starstruck, but yesterday I saw a couple of
people and I was.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Like Tom Brady, Oh see, you know you lost me.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I know I did.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I can't stand sorry you do like him?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
But I know no, But it's.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It's Here's this is such a great place to be,
even if you don't collect like memorabilia, but if you're
a sports fan, to be able to come to one
place and you just never know who you're gonna see
walking and moving, Yeah, it's been a lot of fun.
It's so true. Same thing for me. So this is
my first time at Fanatics past. I'm incredibly excited to
(02:37):
be here. I'm also a wrestling fan. So I'm just
waiting for me and Jay Usso to have our moment.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
So I could just eat real quick and then be
about my business. Teach me a little bit about what
the word I am? I got my glasses, I'm ready.
I'm ready phone letters.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Is that what you said?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
One word?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Okay, you see me.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I'm with my people, I'm with my community, my people.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I'm I'm the old school. I'm like the underdog and no.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I mean I'm gona take Yeah he's here, but he's
a school. Yeah I watched someone dog is old school
today school I was there then. But it's all right, though,
We're gonna have a wonderful time today.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, fun we.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Gonna have we are we are gonna have a wonderful
time today. So on our show, we talk a lot
about a lot of different things, but we are a
women's sports advocates. Do you guys love women's sports out there?
Y'all make some noise if you love women's sports out there.
That's what I'm talking about, because we are taking over
in fierce and so if we're gonna talk about women's sports,
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and if we're gonna talk about basketball in particular, the
only way we could do that is have the greats
who've ever done it to play this game to talk
about it. So, you guys know the Hall of Famer
Sheryl Swoops. But we have a very special guest who's
gonna join us right now to help us with this conversation.
And that's the other Hall of Famer, Cynthia Cooper. Look left, Yeah,
(04:15):
here we go, y'alls. Hey, I thought I.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Thought you were gonna calls in my seat. I didn't
do that on purpose. I didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I thought you.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I thought you was gonna come out dead.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
I thought I did give it a little something, but
I kind of threatened him back there. I was like, yo,
I better come out to some music. If that'd be
some come out to it.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
And did.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Oh my God, said thank you for making some time
for us.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
No, No, it's it's my pleasure. I'm surprised you guys
didn't invite him me sooner.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Oh no, she's not.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Don't do that.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
She's about to. Sure you got your own shirt. I'm
gonna have to talk to Esther. Are you calling Esther out?
I'm gonna have to talk to I'm like, I'm trying
to I played with you.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I mean that's a good looking shirt.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
That's ah.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You just have a conversation with Esther.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
How y'all doing, y'all doing good? Yeah, let's ask let's.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
Ask cool like, this is our first time at fanatics Fest, Yes,
since your first time.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
This is my first time at fanatics Fest. And I
didn't realize, you know, in my mind there was something
that this was going to just be about the NBA
Draft coming up next week. I thought it was surrounding that,
and then I walked in and there's all the sports
and every signage and oh yeah, it's amazing, amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
So have you seen anyone since you got here that
you were like? Because I told you, like, like, I
don't get starstruck. Yesterday I met Tom Brady and I
was like, oh, okay, yeah, that is Tom Brady the
real Tom Brady. Have you seen someone where since you
got here?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Where you were like, damn, yeah, you know.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
So I have a little bit of personality and I'm
really really shy.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
No I'm not.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
So.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I was in the green.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Room with Tom Brady and I walked over to him
and told him there's only one goat in this green
room and it was Sha and.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
She played basketball. Okay, Okay, he laughed too.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
So it's only want to go to laud. I know
she did say.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I hope she said it just like that. So let
me say something funny. I am loyal to my hate, okay,
Like I am serious about my hate.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And So I was working a Vegas Aces game and
Tom Brady was there, and a producer kept telling me
to go interview tom Brady and I was like, hell, no,
we're not about to interview tom Brady. So then I
overheard him tell somebody else I would prefer not to
do interviews because I wanted to be about the women
on the court. So then I tell my producer, See,
he don't even want to talk to nobody.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
That's the reason why I don't like him right now.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Anyway, just any reason to hate on that man.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I did get a picture with Oshaye Jackson Jr. I
saw that it was nice. I posted it immediately.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Are you talk?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Are you taller than him?
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Trada straight out of the compa crazy?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
No, he caught me talle as hell. He said you
tallest hell. I said, hey, but and you're not. I'm not.
I'm shorter, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
But you're taller than him.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
That I saw that.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
This is this what it was like in the locker room.
Is this what you two were like in the locker room?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Sure was shy.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
No, we didn't sit next to each other.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
In the locker room.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Yeah, we're across the way. We had to practice, listen.
We had championships to win.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
Yeah, we were just different like our locker room. There
was no talking like before a game. It was everybody kind.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Of did their own thing.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Okay, so y'all talked about that talking. I'm on both
of you to walk me through. What was your pregame routine?
Did you eat something? Did you what was your what
was your pregame routine?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:10):
My pregame routine was I mean, I'm boring, so I
put some gospel music in because.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
You know I'm already hyped.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
You don't need no music to hype me up except
when I come out here on this stage right here, right,
So I put my music on, and then I would
go out for a pregame warm up. So I did
my own warm up first, so my shooting every shot
that I took in the game, I would practice it,
so I would shoot that shot in warm.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Ups before the game, including my layups. Everything.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
I would shoot every shot that I was gonna shoot
in the game. And then I finished with free throws
and go to stretching, and then we would start the
regular regular team warm up.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
What was your what was your pre game?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
So here's the thing she said she was boring.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I was boring too.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I don't know. No, we didn't do all the extra
stuff that they do today, but I will say this.
So Coop would always go out and get her shots
in before the team started their warm up. So and
everybody knew, like, if Coop is getting her shots up,
go shoot at the other basket before the other team
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comes out. But when Coop finished, then either I would
go or Tina would go.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
So the three of us would get our own shots
up before the team came out and then we would
do our team warm up. But I mean I was
the same.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I was like, give me some gospel music and let
me just go through.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
The game in my head.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Listen, I we ain't have time for all that extra stuff.
It's like that find it's so different now, it really is.
But you know what that's that that there is a focus.
I feel like there's a focus in there right, Like
you know what the mission was, you know what you
need to do, so you was already focused on what
it was you need to do. It got us toward
champions She got four eight championships between sitting on this stage.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
That's crazy.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
And I and I think another thing that's important, like
we didn't focus on anything that wasn't pertaining to the game. Yeah,
Like we weren't focused on getting a couple tiktoks and
social media.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah we weren't. Really.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
It was like, yo, we're here to play. It's business.
Let's get it done now.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
You know what I think it's interesting. What I think
is interesting is that there are a bunch of people
who really don't realize how pats like when we look
at the when we look at the w n B
A now and we look at the arenas now we're like,
oh my god, they're selling out. They're packed out. But
I'm like, maybe you're new here because I remember back
(10:34):
when the games were packed out. Keep both of you
just kind of talk about what the atmosphere around women's
basketball was back when you all started the league, because
y'all started the league.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Okay, I'm still a little jealous of the Cheryl Swoop
shirt right there, But stay right there and stay right there.
You are my good eye. You are my good eye.
Go don't go to my bad eye. Go stay with
my good eye. So I think, you know, when we
played in the w what was the question about the
atmosphere and party. I mean, I think the great thing
(11:08):
about starting the league and at the beginning of the league,
there's always a level of excitement around the game.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
All we had to do was go out there and perform.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
So my number one goal was the game game fans support,
and the way you do that is bringing your a game.
You don't come in there assuming anything. Everybody could get it.
They could still get it.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah period.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Yeah, So I think that was our focus. But sixteen
thousand screaming fans the sea of red Houston comments and
chatting MVP and chatting nim like that.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
That was that was the lick. That was.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
That was nice, everything from chanting MVP and Coop and
swoops even to the boot on the roads.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yes, but even to the booze on the road.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I do think it's the new fans that really have
no idea what the venues look.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Like then we did.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
We played in front of sixteen seventeen, eighteen thousand. I
think the reason why it's highlighted today the sellouts is
because there are more eyes on it, right, But we've
played in packed arenas. But at the same time, to
Coop's point, I don't care if we were playing in
front of sixteen thousand or six hundreds. We were still
(12:37):
gonna get you the same work period because for us,
it was about bringing your a game every single day,
every game to gain more fans to come out and
watch and support, you know, And I'm I'm glad, I
know Koopy is to see where the game is today.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Because this is where we always hoped it would be.
There are a lot of people cool kind of make
comparisons about the physicality of the game and where we are,
and I know we talked about this on a previous
show where I grew up a Detroit shot fan, right,
(13:19):
and I distinctly remember puting Atte Pearson giving Kandas Parker
as a rookie that whole work in the Palace, and
I was cool with it because that's that's the game
I grew up watching, you know what I mean, And
I understood. I remember, you know we talked about delisiha
Delicia will get your elbow to the face fast. See
you see your face? You see the memories came back
real quick.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
God, right, So what do you.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Say or can you speak to the physicality of the
game when you both were playing in comparison to how
new it feels to people right now?
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Well, I will say, you know, Cheryl Swoops was one
of the original stars of the w and so when
you're one of the original stars, then people.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Are gonna come out and they're gonna be after you.
They're gonna try to attack you.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
I had to kind of grow into that role, and
I was older, so I was at thirty five year
old rookie.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
But I'm from what who was giving them that work?
Speaker 5 (14:14):
The sisters and brothers, the entire family could take could
go to the hoop, but My point is I didn't
mind being physical because I played overseas for ten years
and I grew up playing against guys, so there was
no level of physicality that I had not already experienced.
So I'm brushing them off. I'm on my way to
the whole. She's a shooter and one I'm a slasher.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I'm getting on right.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
So so you know that for me, it was a
very physical game. It was physical overseas, and it was
physical when I was playing with the guys. So they
gonna allow me to come back to America play professional
ball with girls. I was like, I'm in ys around
that's without ship.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah. My my thing is, listen, if you're gonna dish
it out, you also gotta be ready to take it.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, for real.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
And I love it.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I just like, we don't have the conversation about the
NBA being physical. We don't. In fact, we talk about
how the NBA is soft but no physical enough, right,
don't we do that?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
We don't know, we don't see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
We'd be like so long, I don't.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Have to say this.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
If you dish it out, you don't necessarily have to
be able to take it.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
But you gotta know somebody that'll take it for you. Oh,
talg it.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
But John, it's coming back. It's coming back, like coming back.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Because I can't get kicked out the game.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Yeah, we have those teammates.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
You know, everybody got that. Everybody had that one player
that you knew and whether they were coming off the
bench or you knew if they was in, they was
in for a reason what they were saying for. But
we also talked about there is a difference between being
a physical player, player that that will that will take contact,
and then being like like like dirty, like intentionally trying
(16:11):
to hurt. So we're never trying to do that. But
the physicality, I love it. I absolutely love it. Sidebar
your Italian still one point.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
See your check. Nobody here speaks Italian.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
All all I heard was thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
No, I'm not saying grati say thank you at all. Yeah,
I speak fluent Italian.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yes, I like very good.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I know like sometimes you you know, you hear that
if you don't use it, you lose it. So I
don't know how often you use it, but I'm like, wow,
every time I get.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
Upset, I can't even say that word.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
If she doesn't want to curse you out.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
In English, she go.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Curse officials got it, they got it. They used to
get it. And I used to smile and say it
in Italian because.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Sound I'm so sexy and she's just cutting.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
You out, cussing you out. My r is gone. I hollest.
We love it.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I love it. I love it, But I do I
do often wonder of all the things that they do
have now that's different in the game. Is there something
that maybe you guys kind of wish you had back
then when you were playing, Like I know, nil is
something that comes.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Up a lot when I was gonna say, I got
it right now. Money, that's right. I mean they're making it.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
And listen, I am so appreciative and I love where
they are. Can you imagine I play I played in college,
so I have the two Churyls. Yeah, I have Cheryl
Miller two national championships and Cheryl swoops. Can you imagine
how much money I would have made just playing with them?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Come on now, And I think that should go back
to nineteen eighty one. Baby, my freshman year is trying
to get take money.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
We should get in s but they didn't go back
far enough, far enough and here's the thing, like, it's
okay to say that and and not be jealous or
hating of what they have today, right because, as she said,
I am so grateful for where the game is and
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how much money these young women are making today. But
if we're gonna be real and honest, absolutely, I can't
imagine how much money I would have made in NIL Yeah,
at Texas Tech yeah, and then playing in the W.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
When you say is there something that we wish we had?
I wish My first Nike contract was twenty million dollars
for real, that's facts.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
And you were the first I'm your own shoe.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
So you know.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
The other thing that I'll say is I love I
love the support, yeah, and the whole hoofly and everything
that's been generated around the W. I love the attention,
I love the media coverage, I love the physical play.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I love every single.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Thing that these women are getting, not just in the
W but also in the NCAA. Yes, they deserve it,
they've earned it, they've put in the work to get it,
and it's only gonna grow from here. And I think
as we start at the WNBA, that was my dream,
right to lay a foundation, to lay the foundation for.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Who's coming next.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Yes, so that they don't have to go overseas and
learn another language and to find out where their money is.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Right. So that was the goal, and we were successful.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
You guys are absolutely successful. And I'm glad you bring
up the new generation and USC because there is a
star at USC right now. I mean a star. And
I think of what we've seen. I mean this recent
class too, between last year, twenty twenty four, this new
class of twenty twenty five, which has been stellar, and
(20:08):
then I think of what twenty six and twenty seven
can bring with Juji Watkins right, just kind of how
impressed are you with her one playing at your alma mater?
And then two just where the future of women's basketball
is going.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Yeah, So I'm super impressed with the athletes that are
playing nowadays, the athletes that are coming out of college,
last year's class, this year's class, next year's class, and
so on. I think when you are when you grow
up and you have an opportunity to dream of playing
in a w because it exists that it's a different level. Now,
(20:43):
now I get a chance to start working out earlier,
start training sooner, and now I get to the w
Moore season, more ready, more ready to perform in the
same way in college. Now you're ready for the media
when you get into the W because of all of
the attention you get in college, right, all of the
social media. You're ready to do all of that by
(21:05):
the time you get to the W. And that's because
you you have grown up dreaming of playing professional basketball
and then you win and put in the work to
become a professional basketball player. And I think that's a
huge difference than we when we grew up.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah, no doubt. I would just say this, Juju Watkins
is the real deal.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Oh, I'm sorry, I had forgotten the question, so I
started on a whole another of them.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
You know, But let me just tell you about juju'
real quick, y'all.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
She is a beast, yes, And I'm gonna tell you
watch your beast because you could.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Tell when nobody's watching she putting in work.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
There.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Once she have a bad game, she's not blaming anybody.
She's looking in the mirror and she's in the gym
working on her craft. You can tell she loves it.
You can tell she's passionate about it, and she can
you can tell that she wakes up every morning trying
to be great, not good, not just go through the motions,
but be great, be the best. And when you have
that type of mentality, you apply to everything that you do, right,
(22:11):
so you don't have to become a professional basketball player.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Wake up every morning trying to.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
Be the greatest CEO, the greatest person every single day.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
That's right. You can clap it up.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, for sure, no doubt, for sure, no doubt. I mean,
what else am I gonna add to that? I mean, sorry,
I forgot because I would just say one like I
hated to see her go down because everybody was like, yep,
usc gonna go to the final four.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Some people even had to win in it.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
What I love about Juju, in addition to everything that
Coop just said, is just that that competitiveness that every
time she steps out on the floor like she is
bringing that work.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
She's a she's a.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Big body strong guard. Y'all thought it would say about
bat Bell, not say that. I didn't say that, not
not bea She's a she's a big body guard who's strong,
plays both ends of the floor, a three level score.
You know, people talk all the time about players in
the and in nt double a that could leave college
(23:16):
early and go to the pros. They've said that about
a few players, and I've been like, Nah, she couldn't
do it. Juju Watkins is that girl? Yeah, Juju could
do Who could do it? Could absolutely could Yeah, And
it's no disrespect to the.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
The w But Juju is that good.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
She's that mature already. Yeah, she's that mature as a player.
I will say though, that I love the fact that
the women's game does not allow you to leave before
twenty one or or your senior year too. I love that,
But it's selfish that I love it. I love it
because I feel like fans and people who love the
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game and watch the game get an opportunity to see
you grow. They get an opportunity to see you develop.
It feels like you become a part of the family,
and that's how you get the Asia Wilson's of the
world who has the whole game cognation behind her, or
the Page Beckers of the world that has the whole
Huskies behind you. You go to these games now and
you see these players that have the college connections, and
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I don't care if that's the reason why you're here.
You're here because you fell in love with something, and
now the door will open for you to see other
people and other players and love this game. And I
don't feel like we always get that on the men's
side because they leave in the first year. You didn't
get to build that connection, right. And I also don't
think you get to build that development. Like there is
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no G League for the WN now, right, So where
else do you go to develop and to hold in
on your crafts? You know, if you don't have a
personal trainer, if you don't have whatever. So I love
that fade still have to stay.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
I was just gonna say, I think that's gonna change
here soon it Yeah, I think one is going to
change in two. You know, when you look at the
Caitlyn Clark, the Angel Reese, when you look at those
two players in that draft class with Rakia and cam
cam So when you look at that, that was the
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first rookie class that brought the fans from the NCAA
over to the w That.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Was the first class that bridge that gap that we've
been trying to bridge for years and years and years.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
With the fan support you get at Yukon and the
fan support you get at the Sun's game.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
So I think I love it.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
I love that you can stay and you can create
relationships not just with the university but with fans, right,
and now you can bring those fans over to the
W and they'll see a brand of basketball that they
had never been into.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Absolutely, absolutely, Yeah. So I have a question for Coop
because people people ask this quesquestion all the time, like
what player today reminds you of yourself?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
If there is one great question?
Speaker 5 (26:09):
You know I was when God made me Hee, Yeah,
it was off the court. Definitely won the one. But
I will say that the first player that came to mind.
I always stick with that one, and it's a riqueh.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I can see it. Yeah, a Rique, She's she a beast.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I wasn't a shooter per se. I was more of
a slasher. Yeah, And the only.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Reason I shot my shot was to get to the rim.
The only reason I went left was so that I
could go back right. I'm just saying I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Score the right. I was on the right wing. I'm
gonna go right. I'm a fake left and go right.
I'm gonna shoot the ball and go right. I'm gonna
go on the left side of the floor and go right.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I'm just saying I'm going right, yeah yeah, And they
still they.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Still couldn't stop it. I wan hear that. I hear
the coach on the bench yelling player to the right,
play in to the right.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
I was Jeff Steph left and they go right.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Is a good one.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
That's a good one for me.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
It's like no brainer, I would say Rikia Jackson.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Oh, I was saying Riki in my head.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Rickuia one. Just her length.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Yep and her ability to get in passing lanes and
defend just getting out in transition. She has a nice
little pull up jumper she gets to the hole. I was,
in a way like Cooper's far as shooting like.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I was shooting, but that wasn't like the three ball
wasn't my strength. It was more of a I'm gonna
go lift, I'm on jab fake you right, I'm gonna
come back one to dribble left, pull up.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Absolutely, Rikia Jackson. In my head, I.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Was thinking Rikia. I see Rikia first of all the
way that she just continues to move and develop, and
there's a new player right now who I can't wait
like I've been seeing her over the last two days,
and she's continuing to find herself. She was injured. Anissa tomorrow,
Anissa tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
I love a new sac.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
And you know, and a lot of people are like,
she's undersized, so how will she fair at the next level? Yep.
My thing is, I don't really care how big or
small you are. If you haven't, you haven't. And Anissa
is a rebounding machine. She's strong, she's physical, she competes,
and I agree with you. I can't wait to see
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how good.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
She's gonna be in this.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I asked her yesterday, I said, where did you get
your nickname from? She said, I got my nickname in
high school.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Needs to beast.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
So I got into high school And she said, I
got into high school because I was quiet, but I
was fierce on the court. And they've been talking about
I was too small to play in the post. They've
been talking about I was too small to play in
the post the whole time. She said, I don't give
a damn how small you think I am. I'm a
beast there now. Dan, that's the mentality of a player
to your point, that wants to be great, and I
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love that for her, So we know it's a I
mean it's a it's a lot of it is so
many players I think that are gonna put on for
its next level, in its next generation. We could, you know,
kind of touch to Caitlin and Angels and Cam and Anissa.
But I will say that I think this twenty twenty
five class as a collective are so impactful. I look
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at Sanaya Rivers, Sanaya Rivers and Zaiah James instantly coming
in and playing ball. I look at a Kiky Arie
of Fenn girl, Yeah, Kiki balling, Yeah yeah he Key
Sonya Citron. Just like instant impact. Right, So when you
think about, you know, the evolution of this game and
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its totality, from the talent, from the crowd, the media coverage,
just you kind of spoke on it. But just like,
how proud are both of you of where to be
able to see you know, how you say you want
something to happen, but then it actually unfolds before your eyes.
And I don't think enough people take the time to
(30:11):
really live in the moment, yeah, to see what is
what is happening. So as both of you are living
legends and living in the moment, just how proud of
what you see this game have evolved to become.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
I'm super proud, and I'm super proud because I know
the effort that goes into being great. I know the
effort that goes into being a star and coming it
and bringing it every single day. You know, if you
want to know one another thing about Juju, she didn't
bring it when she was playing, you know, a low
level team.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
She brought it every day.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
And when they expected UCLA to beat the Trojans in Ucla,
she brought it thin as well, right, So she didn't
just come to participate.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
She came to win. And I think that's what I'm
proud of.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
When you start looking at these athletes and the stars
of the W, now you can tell that the W
is in the right hands and they're in good hands.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I love that.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Yes, yes, I mean one hundred percent, I think, and
I said it earlier. You know, when the W first started,
we were just excited to have a lead. Yes, right, contracts,
flying charters, sitting middle seats, not much.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Let all those things didn't matter. They did, but they didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
And to see where the game is today, all the eyes,
the tension, the media rights, the media contracts, the money,
the players are making today, on and on and on.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I'm like a proud mom.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yes, right, you sit here, you go through all the
things that we had to go through so we could
make it better. So they have it better today than
we had it. Absolutely, it's a great feeling to see
where we are, yes, but it's a better feeling to
see where we're headed. To see where we're headed, Yes,
that is that's a great point. I am so proud
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to be able to cover this league. I've been watching
the w since it started back in nineteen ninety six.
And let me tell you that what's interesting is that,
you know, I grew up in an era where after college,
it was kind of maybe there's the ABA, you know,
maybe you can go overseas, but that was it. But
kids today are growing up and being born where there
(32:38):
is no other like, they don't know any better, They
don't know any they don't know a world where women's
basketball and the WNBA doesn't exist, and that is incredible.
But I will say there were perts of growing up
and watching the WFFO because as we talk about marketing,
I distinctly remember they used to be these little WNBA
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commercials with pray and Kyla used to be pulling up
on people, asking the questions, trying to check them about
what they're doing and not doing right. She was clocking everybody, see,
and she specifically pulled up on y'all. Now when she
bought up on Cheryl, Cheryl was out there pushing Jordan
in the swing and and shit man her business and
(33:21):
kind of little twelve year old self is going off
about why Cheryl want doing what she's supposed to be
doing the gap and Cheryl looked at her and said, girl,
where is yo mama? And I felt like that was
for real. That was not scripted. It couldn't have been.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
And I distinctly remember Kyler pulling up on Cooper having
lunch with Tina, asking my Tina was't let me ask
you why Coop went passing the ball to Tina and
Tina over there instigating.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
You saw Tina's face, right, and.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, I mean and cookson, mom, what you mean like
I passed it? If she was out there and she
was like she was fired open. I would love for
y'all to kind of take me through the behind the
scenes of having a twelve eleven year old child come
and check you about your game.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
So you know, when you're doing commercials and you're not
an actor or actress, you have a level of anxiety, right,
like you don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
You want it to look real, you want to do
a great job. But then I didn't you didn't have
to act.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
When it came to Kyler, she came and she was
really like that a moment. I barely got my line
out my mouth and she was like, yo, but Tita
was oping, Yo, you should have passed her to Paul.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
I'm like, but I will next her. She was like,
assuming there is the next time. I'm like, yo, somebody
get her, like for real?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Like she she really was like that, and I, you know,
were just minding our business.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I'm pushing my kid.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
We just doing our own thing, and she talking it out.
Does he have a jump he jump? I had to
jump shout.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
At his ass, was like he's over there living months old.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
She was like I had to jump shot at his
age and I was like, girl, where is your MoMA?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I really like that was for real, But I wanted
to be like, girl.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
If you don't get you, she was so good.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
She was she to watch her grow up right and
be the actress that she was today, I'll tell you
that the part and Tina didn't say a word, right,
but what she said to Tina.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Tell a Tina Coop needs to know that.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Looked like I was over there like need to know
you know what I was VP.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
You know, Look, you.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
Start throwing out stuff like that when you feel like
they're attacking your talking about She.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Was like, but I was MVP and I was wide.
I was just so let me shoot it. I know
that's the right, y'all. It was deep.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
So when I tell you those are the things that
like forever live in your head all the time. You
will never ever ever forget those moments and those marketing moments.
And I'm like, I have got to know what it
was like filming of Comerci because I probably would have
popped off. Okay, my little girl. You absolutely absolutely would
have forgot that that was acting. I would have forgot, Yeah,
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where's before we get out of here because we only
got a few minutes left. I would love to just
kind of give both of you to kind of tell us,
you know, like, what what do you I don't want
to say, what are you doing now? But like we
always talk about having our legends give back to the game,
and I think both of you are giving back to
the game in different ways. So I would love for
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you to share how you're giving back to the game
and what it is that you're doing. Cool.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
Yeah, my my passion is teaching. So I trained, So
I have a couple of pros that I trained. I
have a couple eleven twelve year olds that I had.
This one guy walk up to me in the gym
and he just was like, cool, cool, can you fix
my son's shot. I was like, yeah, I can fix
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his shot, Asa, And Khalil was like, I told Khalil
I could fix ASA's shot, right, And that.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Started me with training. I have some babies. Everyone from
the six year old.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
Kid you're about to turn who I have him in
and out step back.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Yeah, it's on and popping.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
I love that.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
I mean yeah, I mean, I just I think it's
important that we continue to be involved, right, and we
continue to help elevate and grow the game. So for me,
besides our podcast, doing basketball camps and just being a mentor,
you know, I think where the game is today and
with all the talent and just everything that comes these
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players way every single day, I think it's nice for
them to have someone who's kind of been there, done that,
gone through it, but someone that they can reach out
to and you know, just try to give them a
little bit of advice along the way, but absolutely just
trying to continue help grow this game and elevate this
game and keep believing in what the women are doing.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
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Speaker 2 (00:00):
This is an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with
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what's up, y'all? It's your girl, ta Rica Foster Brassby,
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Y'all's your girl?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Cheryl swoops Yes, Yes, And this is a special episode
of Levels to this podcast this week because Cheryl and
I were at Fanatics Fest acting a whole damn fool
cutting up.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
But it was good. It was good.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
It was so good. It was so good. We had
our good, our very special guests. I ain't gonna tell
you who it is. You just wanted to listen to
it and figure out who it is. But we wanted
to let y'all know that this is a live episode,
so there is live conversation with those in the audience
and things like that. But end of the day, we
hope you enjoy listening to it just as much as
(00:51):
we enjoyed recording it. Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Hi, y'all doing it wonderful?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Thank you guys for.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Joining Levels to this podcast here live at Fanatics Fest.
I'm Tarika Foster Brasby, and.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
What's up, y'all? I am your girl, Cheryl Swoops.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Y'all know Cheryl, the Hall of Famer, the four time champion.
I know we got a good guest.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
That's not gonna be fun.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
This is gonna be so much fun. We have an
incredible guest that y'all are gonna love that's joining us today.
But first before we get to the guest part. Sure,
how have you been enjoining Fanatics Fest? I'm I am
too old for this, oh my god, but I have
been having a blast. You know.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
You know what's funny?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Are you an America?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I'm an'shi row Come on now, Okay, I'm gonna bring
them up on stage, won't.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Here's what I'll say.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
It's been like there's a lot going on at Fanatics Pest.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
It is this was this is my first time, and
I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Get like starstruck, but yesterday I saw a couple of
people and I was.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Like Tom Brady, Oh see, you know you lost me.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I know I did.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I can't stand sorry you do like him?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
But I know no, But it's.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It's Here's this is such a great place to be,
even if you don't collect like memorabilia, but if you're
a sports fan, to be able to come to one
place and you just never know who you're gonna see
walking and moving, Yeah, it's been a lot of fun.
It's so true. Same thing for me. So this is
my first time at Fanatics past. I'm incredibly excited to
(02:37):
be here. I'm also a wrestling fan. So I'm just
waiting for me and Jay Usso to have our moment.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
So I could just eat real quick and then be
about my business. Teach me a little bit about what
the word I am? I got my glasses, I'm ready.
I'm ready phone letters.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Is that what you said?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
One word?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Okay, you see me.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I'm with my people, I'm with my community, my people.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I'm I'm the old school. I'm like the underdog and no.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I mean I'm gona take Yeah he's here, but he's
a school. Yeah I watched someone dog is old school
today school I was there then. But it's all right, though,
We're gonna have a wonderful time today.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, fun we.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Gonna have we are we are gonna have a wonderful
time today. So on our show, we talk a lot
about a lot of different things, but we are a
women's sports advocates. Do you guys love women's sports out there?
Y'all make some noise if you love women's sports out there.
That's what I'm talking about, because we are taking over
in fierce and so if we're gonna talk about women's sports,
(03:49):
and if we're gonna talk about basketball in particular, the
only way we could do that is have the greats
who've ever done it to play this game to talk
about it. So, you guys know the Hall of Famer
Sheryl Swoops. But we have a very special guest who's
gonna join us right now to help us with this conversation.
And that's the other Hall of Famer, Cynthia Cooper. Look left, Yeah,
(04:15):
here we go, y'alls. Hey, I thought I.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Thought you were gonna calls in my seat. I didn't
do that on purpose. I didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I thought you.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I thought you was gonna come out dead.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
I thought I did give it a little something, but
I kind of threatened him back there. I was like, yo,
I better come out to some music. If that'd be
some come out to it.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
And did.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Oh my God, said thank you for making some time
for us.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
No, No, it's it's my pleasure. I'm surprised you guys
didn't invite him me sooner.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Oh no, she's not.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Don't do that.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
She's about to. Sure you got your own shirt. I'm
gonna have to talk to Esther. Are you calling Esther out?
I'm gonna have to talk to I'm like, I'm trying
to I played with you.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I mean that's a good looking shirt.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
That's ah.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You just have a conversation with Esther.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
How y'all doing, y'all doing good? Yeah, let's ask let's.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
Ask cool like, this is our first time at fanatics Fest, Yes,
since your first time.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
This is my first time at fanatics Fest. And I
didn't realize, you know, in my mind there was something
that this was going to just be about the NBA
Draft coming up next week. I thought it was surrounding that,
and then I walked in and there's all the sports
and every signage and oh yeah, it's amazing, amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
So have you seen anyone since you got here that
you were like? Because I told you, like, like, I
don't get starstruck. Yesterday I met Tom Brady and I
was like, oh, okay, yeah, that is Tom Brady the
real Tom Brady. Have you seen someone where since you
got here?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Where you were like, damn, yeah, you know.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
So I have a little bit of personality and I'm
really really shy.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
No I'm not.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
So.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I was in the green.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Room with Tom Brady and I walked over to him
and told him there's only one goat in this green
room and it was Sha and.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
She played basketball. Okay, Okay, he laughed too.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
So it's only want to go to laud. I know
she did say.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I hope she said it just like that. So let
me say something funny. I am loyal to my hate, okay,
Like I am serious about my hate.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And So I was working a Vegas Aces game and
Tom Brady was there, and a producer kept telling me
to go interview tom Brady and I was like, hell, no,
we're not about to interview tom Brady. So then I
overheard him tell somebody else I would prefer not to
do interviews because I wanted to be about the women
on the court. So then I tell my producer, See,
he don't even want to talk to nobody.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
That's the reason why I don't like him right now.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Anyway, just any reason to hate on that man.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I did get a picture with Oshaye Jackson Jr. I
saw that it was nice. I posted it immediately.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Are you talk?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Are you taller than him?
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Trada straight out of the compa crazy?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
No, he caught me talle as hell. He said you
tallest hell. I said, hey, but and you're not. I'm not.
I'm shorter, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
But you're taller than him.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
That I saw that.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
This is this what it was like in the locker room.
Is this what you two were like in the locker room?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Sure was shy.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
No, we didn't sit next to each other.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
In the locker room.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Yeah, we're across the way. We had to practice, listen.
We had championships to win.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
Yeah, we were just different like our locker room. There
was no talking like before a game. It was everybody kind.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Of did their own thing.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Okay, so y'all talked about that talking. I'm on both
of you to walk me through. What was your pregame routine?
Did you eat something? Did you what was your what
was your pregame routine?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:10):
My pregame routine was I mean, I'm boring, so I
put some gospel music in because.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
You know I'm already hyped.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
You don't need no music to hype me up except
when I come out here on this stage right here, right,
So I put my music on, and then I would
go out for a pregame warm up. So I did
my own warm up first, so my shooting every shot
that I took in the game, I would practice it,
so I would shoot that shot in warm.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Ups before the game, including my layups. Everything.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
I would shoot every shot that I was gonna shoot
in the game. And then I finished with free throws
and go to stretching, and then we would start the
regular regular team warm up.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
What was your what was your pre game?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
So here's the thing she said she was boring.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I was boring too.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I don't know. No, we didn't do all the extra
stuff that they do today, but I will say this.
So Coop would always go out and get her shots
in before the team started their warm up. So and
everybody knew, like, if Coop is getting her shots up,
go shoot at the other basket before the other team
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comes out. But when Coop finished, then either I would
go or Tina would go.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
So the three of us would get our own shots
up before the team came out and then we would
do our team warm up. But I mean I was
the same.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I was like, give me some gospel music and let
me just go through.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
The game in my head.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Listen, I we ain't have time for all that extra stuff.
It's like that find it's so different now, it really is.
But you know what that's that that there is a focus.
I feel like there's a focus in there right, Like
you know what the mission was, you know what you
need to do, so you was already focused on what
it was you need to do. It got us toward
champions She got four eight championships between sitting on this stage.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
That's crazy.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
And I and I think another thing that's important, like
we didn't focus on anything that wasn't pertaining to the game. Yeah,
Like we weren't focused on getting a couple tiktoks and
social media.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah we weren't. Really.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
It was like, yo, we're here to play. It's business.
Let's get it done now.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
You know what I think it's interesting. What I think
is interesting is that there are a bunch of people
who really don't realize how pats like when we look
at the when we look at the w n B
A now and we look at the arenas now we're like,
oh my god, they're selling out. They're packed out. But
I'm like, maybe you're new here because I remember back
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when the games were packed out. Keep both of you
just kind of talk about what the atmosphere around women's
basketball was back when you all started the league, because
y'all started the league.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Okay, I'm still a little jealous of the Cheryl Swoop
shirt right there, But stay right there and stay right there.
You are my good eye. You are my good eye.
Go don't go to my bad eye. Go stay with
my good eye. So I think, you know, when we
played in the w what was the question about the
atmosphere and party. I mean, I think the great thing
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about starting the league and at the beginning of the league,
there's always a level of excitement around the game.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
All we had to do was go out there and perform.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
So my number one goal was the game game fans support,
and the way you do that is bringing your a game.
You don't come in there assuming anything. Everybody could get it.
They could still get it.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah period.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Yeah, So I think that was our focus. But sixteen
thousand screaming fans the sea of red Houston comments and
chatting MVP and chatting nim like that.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
That was that was the lick. That was.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
That was nice, everything from chanting MVP and Coop and
swoops even to the boot on the roads.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yes, but even to the booze on the road.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I do think it's the new fans that really have
no idea what the venues look.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Like then we did.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
We played in front of sixteen seventeen, eighteen thousand. I
think the reason why it's highlighted today the sellouts is
because there are more eyes on it, right, But we've
played in packed arenas. But at the same time, to
Coop's point, I don't care if we were playing in
front of sixteen thousand or six hundreds. We were still
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gonna get you the same work period because for us,
it was about bringing your a game every single day,
every game to gain more fans to come out and
watch and support, you know, And I'm I'm glad, I
know Koopy is to see where the game is today.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Because this is where we always hoped it would be.
There are a lot of people cool kind of make
comparisons about the physicality of the game and where we are,
and I know we talked about this on a previous
show where I grew up a Detroit shot fan, right,
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and I distinctly remember puting Atte Pearson giving Kandas Parker
as a rookie that whole work in the Palace, and
I was cool with it because that's that's the game
I grew up watching, you know what I mean, And
I understood. I remember, you know we talked about delisiha
Delicia will get your elbow to the face fast. See
you see your face? You see the memories came back
real quick.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
God, right, So what do you.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Say or can you speak to the physicality of the
game when you both were playing in comparison to how
new it feels to people right now?
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Well, I will say, you know, Cheryl Swoops was one
of the original stars of the w and so when
you're one of the original stars, then people.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Are gonna come out and they're gonna be after you.
They're gonna try to attack you.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
I had to kind of grow into that role, and
I was older, so I was at thirty five year
old rookie.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
But I'm from what who was giving them that work?
Speaker 5 (14:14):
The sisters and brothers, the entire family could take could
go to the hoop, but My point is I didn't
mind being physical because I played overseas for ten years
and I grew up playing against guys, so there was
no level of physicality that I had not already experienced.
So I'm brushing them off. I'm on my way to
the whole. She's a shooter and one I'm a slasher.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I'm getting on right.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
So so you know that for me, it was a
very physical game. It was physical overseas, and it was
physical when I was playing with the guys. So they
gonna allow me to come back to America play professional
ball with girls. I was like, I'm in ys around
that's without ship.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah. My my thing is, listen, if you're gonna dish
it out, you also gotta be ready to take it.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, for real.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
And I love it.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I just like, we don't have the conversation about the
NBA being physical. We don't. In fact, we talk about
how the NBA is soft but no physical enough, right,
don't we do that?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
We don't know, we don't see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
We'd be like so long, I don't.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Have to say this.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
If you dish it out, you don't necessarily have to
be able to take it.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
But you gotta know somebody that'll take it for you. Oh,
talg it.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
But John, it's coming back. It's coming back, like coming back.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Because I can't get kicked out the game.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Yeah, we have those teammates.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
You know, everybody got that. Everybody had that one player
that you knew and whether they were coming off the
bench or you knew if they was in, they was
in for a reason what they were saying for. But
we also talked about there is a difference between being
a physical player, player that that will that will take contact,
and then being like like like dirty, like intentionally trying
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to hurt. So we're never trying to do that. But
the physicality, I love it. I absolutely love it. Sidebar
your Italian still one point.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
See your check. Nobody here speaks Italian.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
All all I heard was thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
No, I'm not saying grati say thank you at all. Yeah,
I speak fluent Italian.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yes, I like very good.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I know like sometimes you you know, you hear that
if you don't use it, you lose it. So I
don't know how often you use it, but I'm like, wow,
every time I get.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
Upset, I can't even say that word.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
If she doesn't want to curse you out.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
In English, she go.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Curse officials got it, they got it. They used to
get it. And I used to smile and say it
in Italian because.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Sound I'm so sexy and she's just cutting.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
You out, cussing you out. My r is gone. I hollest.
We love it.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I love it. I love it, But I do I
do often wonder of all the things that they do
have now that's different in the game. Is there something
that maybe you guys kind of wish you had back
then when you were playing, Like I know, nil is
something that comes.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Up a lot when I was gonna say, I got
it right now. Money, that's right. I mean they're making it.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
And listen, I am so appreciative and I love where
they are. Can you imagine I play I played in college,
so I have the two Churyls. Yeah, I have Cheryl
Miller two national championships and Cheryl swoops. Can you imagine
how much money I would have made just playing with them?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Come on now, And I think that should go back
to nineteen eighty one. Baby, my freshman year is trying
to get take money.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
We should get in s but they didn't go back
far enough, far enough and here's the thing, like, it's
okay to say that and and not be jealous or
hating of what they have today, right because, as she said,
I am so grateful for where the game is and
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how much money these young women are making today. But
if we're gonna be real and honest, absolutely, I can't
imagine how much money I would have made in NIL Yeah,
at Texas Tech yeah, and then playing in the W.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
When you say is there something that we wish we had?
I wish My first Nike contract was twenty million dollars
for real, that's facts.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
And you were the first I'm your own shoe.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
So you know.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
The other thing that I'll say is I love I
love the support, yeah, and the whole hoofly and everything
that's been generated around the W. I love the attention,
I love the media coverage, I love the physical play.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I love every single.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Thing that these women are getting, not just in the
W but also in the NCAA. Yes, they deserve it,
they've earned it, they've put in the work to get it,
and it's only gonna grow from here. And I think
as we start at the WNBA, that was my dream,
right to lay a foundation, to lay the foundation for.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Who's coming next.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Yes, so that they don't have to go overseas and
learn another language and to find out where their money is.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Right. So that was the goal, and we were successful.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
You guys are absolutely successful. And I'm glad you bring
up the new generation and USC because there is a
star at USC right now. I mean a star. And
I think of what we've seen. I mean this recent
class too, between last year, twenty twenty four, this new
class of twenty twenty five, which has been stellar, and
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then I think of what twenty six and twenty seven
can bring with Juji Watkins right, just kind of how
impressed are you with her one playing at your alma mater?
And then two just where the future of women's basketball
is going.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Yeah, So I'm super impressed with the athletes that are
playing nowadays, the athletes that are coming out of college,
last year's class, this year's class, next year's class, and
so on. I think when you are when you grow
up and you have an opportunity to dream of playing
in a w because it exists that it's a different level. Now,
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now I get a chance to start working out earlier,
start training sooner, and now I get to the w
Moore season, more ready, more ready to perform in the
same way in college. Now you're ready for the media
when you get into the W because of all of
the attention you get in college, right, all of the
social media. You're ready to do all of that by
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the time you get to the W. And that's because
you you have grown up dreaming of playing professional basketball
and then you win and put in the work to
become a professional basketball player. And I think that's a
huge difference than we when we grew up.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah, no doubt. I would just say this, Juju Watkins
is the real deal.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Oh, I'm sorry, I had forgotten the question, so I
started on a whole another of them.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
You know, But let me just tell you about juju'
real quick, y'all.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
She is a beast, yes, And I'm gonna tell you
watch your beast because you could.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Tell when nobody's watching she putting in work.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
There.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Once she have a bad game, she's not blaming anybody.
She's looking in the mirror and she's in the gym
working on her craft. You can tell she loves it.
You can tell she's passionate about it, and she can
you can tell that she wakes up every morning trying
to be great, not good, not just go through the motions,
but be great, be the best. And when you have
that type of mentality, you apply to everything that you do, right,
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so you don't have to become a professional basketball player.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Wake up every morning trying to.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
Be the greatest CEO, the greatest person every single day.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
That's right. You can clap it up.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, for sure, no doubt, for sure, no doubt. I mean,
what else am I gonna add to that? I mean, sorry,
I forgot because I would just say one like I
hated to see her go down because everybody was like, yep,
usc gonna go to the final four.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Some people even had to win in it.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
What I love about Juju, in addition to everything that
Coop just said, is just that that competitiveness that every
time she steps out on the floor like she is
bringing that work.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
She's a she's a.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Big body strong guard. Y'all thought it would say about
bat Bell, not say that. I didn't say that, not
not bea She's a she's a big body guard who's strong,
plays both ends of the floor, a three level score.
You know, people talk all the time about players in
the and in nt double a that could leave college
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early and go to the pros. They've said that about
a few players, and I've been like, Nah, she couldn't
do it. Juju Watkins is that girl? Yeah, Juju could
do Who could do it? Could absolutely could Yeah, And
it's no disrespect to the.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
The w But Juju is that good.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
She's that mature already. Yeah, she's that mature as a player.
I will say though, that I love the fact that
the women's game does not allow you to leave before
twenty one or or your senior year too. I love that,
But it's selfish that I love it. I love it
because I feel like fans and people who love the
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game and watch the game get an opportunity to see
you grow. They get an opportunity to see you develop.
It feels like you become a part of the family,
and that's how you get the Asia Wilson's of the
world who has the whole game cognation behind her, or
the Page Beckers of the world that has the whole
Huskies behind you. You go to these games now and
you see these players that have the college connections, and
(24:21):
I don't care if that's the reason why you're here.
You're here because you fell in love with something, and
now the door will open for you to see other
people and other players and love this game. And I
don't feel like we always get that on the men's
side because they leave in the first year. You didn't
get to build that connection, right. And I also don't
think you get to build that development. Like there is
(24:43):
no G League for the WN now, right, So where
else do you go to develop and to hold in
on your crafts? You know, if you don't have a
personal trainer, if you don't have whatever. So I love
that fade still have to stay.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
I was just gonna say, I think that's gonna change
here soon it Yeah, I think one is going to
change in two. You know, when you look at the
Caitlyn Clark, the Angel Reese, when you look at those
two players in that draft class with Rakia and cam
cam So when you look at that, that was the
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first rookie class that brought the fans from the NCAA
over to the w That.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Was the first class that bridge that gap that we've
been trying to bridge for years and years and years.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
With the fan support you get at Yukon and the
fan support you get at the Sun's game.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
So I think I love it.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
I love that you can stay and you can create
relationships not just with the university but with fans, right,
and now you can bring those fans over to the
W and they'll see a brand of basketball that they
had never been into.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Absolutely, absolutely, Yeah. So I have a question for Coop
because people people ask this quesquestion all the time, like
what player today reminds you of yourself?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
If there is one great question?
Speaker 5 (26:09):
You know I was when God made me Hee, Yeah,
it was off the court. Definitely won the one. But
I will say that the first player that came to mind.
I always stick with that one, and it's a riqueh.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I can see it. Yeah, a Rique, She's she a beast.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I wasn't a shooter per se. I was more of
a slasher. Yeah, And the only.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Reason I shot my shot was to get to the rim.
The only reason I went left was so that I
could go back right. I'm just saying I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Score the right. I was on the right wing. I'm
gonna go right. I'm a fake left and go right.
I'm gonna shoot the ball and go right. I'm gonna
go on the left side of the floor and go right.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I'm just saying I'm going right, yeah yeah, And they
still they.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Still couldn't stop it. I wan hear that. I hear
the coach on the bench yelling player to the right,
play in to the right.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
I was Jeff Steph left and they go right.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Is a good one.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
That's a good one for me.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
It's like no brainer, I would say Rikia Jackson.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Oh, I was saying Riki in my head.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Rickuia one. Just her length.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Yep and her ability to get in passing lanes and
defend just getting out in transition. She has a nice
little pull up jumper she gets to the hole. I was,
in a way like Cooper's far as shooting like.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I was shooting, but that wasn't like the three ball
wasn't my strength. It was more of a I'm gonna
go lift, I'm on jab fake you right, I'm gonna
come back one to dribble left, pull up.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Absolutely, Rikia Jackson. In my head, I.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Was thinking Rikia. I see Rikia first of all the
way that she just continues to move and develop, and
there's a new player right now who I can't wait
like I've been seeing her over the last two days,
and she's continuing to find herself. She was injured. Anissa tomorrow,
Anissa tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
I love a new sac.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
And you know, and a lot of people are like,
she's undersized, so how will she fair at the next level? Yep.
My thing is, I don't really care how big or
small you are. If you haven't, you haven't. And Anissa
is a rebounding machine. She's strong, she's physical, she competes,
and I agree with you. I can't wait to see
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how good.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
She's gonna be in this.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I asked her yesterday, I said, where did you get
your nickname from? She said, I got my nickname in
high school.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Needs to beast.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
So I got into high school And she said, I
got into high school because I was quiet, but I
was fierce on the court. And they've been talking about
I was too small to play in the post. They've
been talking about I was too small to play in
the post the whole time. She said, I don't give
a damn how small you think I am. I'm a
beast there now. Dan, that's the mentality of a player
to your point, that wants to be great, and I
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love that for her, So we know it's a I
mean it's a it's a lot of it is so
many players I think that are gonna put on for
its next level, in its next generation. We could, you know,
kind of touch to Caitlin and Angels and Cam and Anissa.
But I will say that I think this twenty twenty
five class as a collective are so impactful. I look
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at Sanaya Rivers, Sanaya Rivers and Zaiah James instantly coming
in and playing ball. I look at a Kiky Arie
of Fenn girl, Yeah, Kiki balling, Yeah yeah he Key
Sonya Citron. Just like instant impact. Right, So when you
think about, you know, the evolution of this game and
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its totality, from the talent, from the crowd, the media coverage,
just you kind of spoke on it. But just like,
how proud are both of you of where to be
able to see you know, how you say you want
something to happen, but then it actually unfolds before your eyes.
And I don't think enough people take the time to
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really live in the moment, yeah, to see what is
what is happening. So as both of you are living
legends and living in the moment, just how proud of
what you see this game have evolved to become.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
I'm super proud, and I'm super proud because I know
the effort that goes into being great. I know the
effort that goes into being a star and coming it
and bringing it every single day. You know, if you
want to know one another thing about Juju, she didn't
bring it when she was playing, you know, a low
level team.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
She brought it every day.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
And when they expected UCLA to beat the Trojans in Ucla,
she brought it thin as well, right, So she didn't
just come to participate.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
She came to win. And I think that's what I'm
proud of.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
When you start looking at these athletes and the stars
of the W, now you can tell that the W
is in the right hands and they're in good hands.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I love that.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Yes, yes, I mean one hundred percent, I think, and
I said it earlier. You know, when the W first started,
we were just excited to have a lead. Yes, right, contracts,
flying charters, sitting middle seats, not much.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Let all those things didn't matter. They did, but they didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
And to see where the game is today, all the eyes,
the tension, the media rights, the media contracts, the money,
the players are making today, on and on and on.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I'm like a proud mom.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yes, right, you sit here, you go through all the
things that we had to go through so we could
make it better. So they have it better today than
we had it. Absolutely, it's a great feeling to see
where we are, yes, but it's a better feeling to
see where we're headed. To see where we're headed, Yes,
that is that's a great point. I am so proud
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to be able to cover this league. I've been watching
the w since it started back in nineteen ninety six.
And let me tell you that what's interesting is that,
you know, I grew up in an era where after college,
it was kind of maybe there's the ABA, you know,
maybe you can go overseas, but that was it. But
kids today are growing up and being born where there
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is no other like, they don't know any better, They
don't know any they don't know a world where women's
basketball and the WNBA doesn't exist, and that is incredible.
But I will say there were perts of growing up
and watching the WFFO because as we talk about marketing,
I distinctly remember they used to be these little WNBA
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commercials with pray and Kyla used to be pulling up
on people, asking the questions, trying to check them about
what they're doing and not doing right. She was clocking everybody, see,
and she specifically pulled up on y'all. Now when she
bought up on Cheryl, Cheryl was out there pushing Jordan
in the swing and and shit man her business and
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kind of little twelve year old self is going off
about why Cheryl want doing what she's supposed to be
doing the gap and Cheryl looked at her and said, girl,
where is yo mama? And I felt like that was
for real. That was not scripted. It couldn't have been.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
And I distinctly remember Kyler pulling up on Cooper having
lunch with Tina, asking my Tina was't let me ask
you why Coop went passing the ball to Tina and
Tina over there instigating.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
You saw Tina's face, right, and.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, I mean and cookson, mom, what you mean like
I passed it? If she was out there and she
was like she was fired open. I would love for
y'all to kind of take me through the behind the
scenes of having a twelve eleven year old child come
and check you about your game.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
So you know, when you're doing commercials and you're not
an actor or actress, you have a level of anxiety, right,
like you don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
You want it to look real, you want to do
a great job. But then I didn't you didn't have
to act.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
When it came to Kyler, she came and she was
really like that a moment. I barely got my line
out my mouth and she was like, yo, but Tita
was oping, Yo, you should have passed her to Paul.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
I'm like, but I will next her. She was like,
assuming there is the next time. I'm like, yo, somebody
get her, like for real?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Like she she really was like that, and I, you know,
were just minding our business.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I'm pushing my kid.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
We just doing our own thing, and she talking it out.
Does he have a jump he jump? I had to
jump shout.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
At his ass, was like he's over there living months old.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
She was like I had to jump shot at his
age and I was like, girl, where is your MoMA?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I really like that was for real, But I wanted
to be like, girl.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
If you don't get you, she was so good.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
She was she to watch her grow up right and
be the actress that she was today, I'll tell you
that the part and Tina didn't say a word, right,
but what she said to Tina.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Tell a Tina Coop needs to know that.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Looked like I was over there like need to know
you know what I was VP.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
You know, Look, you.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
Start throwing out stuff like that when you feel like
they're attacking your talking about She.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Was like, but I was MVP and I was wide.
I was just so let me shoot it. I know
that's the right, y'all. It was deep.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
So when I tell you those are the things that
like forever live in your head all the time. You
will never ever ever forget those moments and those marketing moments.
And I'm like, I have got to know what it
was like filming of Comerci because I probably would have
popped off. Okay, my little girl. You absolutely absolutely would
have forgot that that was acting. I would have forgot, Yeah,
(36:03):
where's before we get out of here because we only
got a few minutes left. I would love to just
kind of give both of you to kind of tell us,
you know, like, what what do you I don't want
to say, what are you doing now? But like we
always talk about having our legends give back to the game,
and I think both of you are giving back to
the game in different ways. So I would love for
(36:25):
you to share how you're giving back to the game
and what it is that you're doing. Cool.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
Yeah, my my passion is teaching. So I trained, So
I have a couple of pros that I trained. I
have a couple eleven twelve year olds that I had.
This one guy walk up to me in the gym
and he just was like, cool, cool, can you fix
my son's shot. I was like, yeah, I can fix
(36:49):
his shot, Asa, And Khalil was like, I told Khalil
I could fix ASA's shot, right, And that.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Started me with training. I have some babies. Everyone from
the six year old.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
Kid you're about to turn who I have him in
and out step back.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Yeah, it's on and popping.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
I love that.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
I mean yeah, I mean, I just I think it's
important that we continue to be involved, right, and we
continue to help elevate and grow the game. So for me,
besides our podcast, doing basketball camps and just being a mentor,
you know, I think where the game is today and
with all the talent and just everything that comes these
(37:32):
players way every single day, I think it's nice for
them to have someone who's kind of been there, done that,
gone through it, but someone that they can reach out
to and you know, just try to give them a
little bit of advice along the way, but absolutely just
trying to continue help grow this game and elevate this
game and keep believing in what the women are doing.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Well, first of all, can we make some noise for
chryl Suits and Cynthia Cooper. Thank you guys so much
for tuning in on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get
your podcast God, Thank you God. Listen to Levels to
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