May 15, 2025 • 54 mins
On this episode of Levels to This, hosts Sheryl Swoopes and Terrika Foster-Brasby go live from the Northeastern Regional Conference of Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority, Inc. in Norfolk, Virginia. In front of a powerful room full of sorors and supporters, they dive into a real and honest conversation about sisterhood—what it means, why it matters, and how it shows up in everyday life.They talk about the importance of trust, loyalty, and having people in your corner who will not only lift you up but also hold you accountable. Personal stories, laughs, and even a few emotional moments surface as they reflect on their own journeys with navigating friendship and finding the right support system.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Levels to This is an iHeart women's sports production in
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey, what's up, everybody, it's your girl, Srika Foster Brasby.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
What's going on, y'all? It's girl Cheryl Swoops and this.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Week we are bringing you our live episode from Norfolk,
Virginia at the Northeastern Regional Conference of Signia Gammerose Arority Incorporated.
Cheryl I had a great time recording this episode all.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Kim, I need to redo cuz listen everything about First
of all, I love the conversation. Everything about the conversation.
I love the episode, but just the environment, the people,
the sisters like I fell right at home, so super
excited for this.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
That love to hear that.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well, without further ado, y'all check out our live episode.
I hope you enjoy it as much as Seeryl and
I enjoy recording it.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
The portion that we really came to see was Tarika
Foster Brasby, our very own Soar and the legendary Ryl
Swoops giving up for them.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
They are coming to.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
The stage to film their amazing podcast Levels to This.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Oh, y'all not lit enough for me. If y'all know me,
y'all know, y'all gotta bring the energy. Hey, hey, Well,
first and foremost, thank you guys so much for having me.
I was coming anyway, duh. But I'm very excited to
be hosting our podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
And so our podcast is called Levels to This.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It is found on the iHeartRadio network, so anywhere you
get your podcasts, Apple Podcasts, Spotify on a good places.
And I'm very fortunate because I host this podcast with
a phenomenal and I do mean a phenomenal superstar person, athlete.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Just all around individual. Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
So I want y'all to make her feel very, very
welcomed and very special. I'm trying to recruit, Okay. I
need y'all to help me, all right. I need y'all
to have my back, okay, all right, So I want
you guys to give a huge welcome to the Natesmith
Hall of Famer, four time WNBA Champion, Olympic gold medalist
(02:30):
be wanted. Only CHERRYL swooons y'all.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Hey a, I'm from Texas, so y'all know, y'all, y'all.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Right, listen, we got Texas in here. That is amazing.
So first and foremost, everybody, welcome to the levels to
this podcast. This is the show where we talk about
the levels to the ish that women go through. And
I'm tame myself a little bit. I'm gonna act like
(03:01):
my mama raised me, and I got some decorn because realistically,
in our podcast we get a little real and so
we are gonna have some real conversation here today. I'm
very excited to be here in Norfolk, Virginia. We have
a great show lined up and planned. But first, how's
you been, Cheryl?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Like?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
How was getting here? How has your experience been since
you've been here?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Okay, So first of all, I am so excited to
be in a room full of some beautiful black women.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Period, Harriet, period.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Now, I had no idea, and I'm just forewarning those
of you who didn't stop at that table up front.
Four hundred dollars later, they were smart because they put
the They put the table, the pots, the pans, all
the things right by the front door instead of back here.
But I have to tell you I got in super
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late last night. But I've had had some amazing, incredible
women that have taken great care of me. Love that,
and just so y'all know, like I have felt the
love since I got here. So I just want to
say thank you to everybody that showed me love. I
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just I truly appreciate it. And for those of you
that asked for photos earlier when I was like, nah,
I ain't ready. Oh I'm ready now, Yeah see this
cause she ain't ain't had a face.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
One like it was not It wasn't given. And like,
come on, y'all know how we act when we taking photos.
It wasn't given. It's got to give because the pictures
end up everywhere.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
The pictures are.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Gonna be everywhere. I mean, we're as an international organization.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
We got over We got over five hundred chapters across
the world. You see me recruiting. I stay recruiting. Okay,
all right.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Oh y'all adt no breakfast this morning? We wait. We
talked about something. I'm learning a lot of history. I
will say that.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well, I will say this, there are a lot of
things that you will learn about the women of Sigma
Gamero and just being in this environment in general. Of course,
you know you'll see and hear about the service. You'll
see some of the beautiful young scholars who we've helped
through scholarship programs and things like that. But there's this
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other principle that we have that is incredibly important to
what we do, and that is sisterhood. Yeah, today our
topic of conversation, because see how we do on our
show is we have our segment here, which is our
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surface level segment. We just kind of shoot the ish
a little bit and you know, talk about a love
of this or that, but then we take it to
the next level where we really get off into the conversation.
And this episode, I really felt that it was important
for us to talk about sister good.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I agree. I mean, no better audience to have that
conversation with. Yeah, are we gonna like do a little
giveaway before we get.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Into I think we should because I want people to
stay the whole time.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Okay, okay, okay, okay. So I have a quick.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Question, and I have a beanie cap and I know
it's like summertime, so you probably don't need it right now,
but if you like me, I like wearing hats all
the time, and so if anybody in the audience knows
When I introduced Cheryl, I said that she was a
four time champion, but does anybody know what team she
played for? That's say, oh, I see your hair raised,
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just say it aloud. Yes, yes, that's right, look at you.
We'll just be letting any and everybody in this conference.
Let we're just like did Joe Chuck cut credentials?
Speaker 3 (06:57):
When we let.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Turika? You always ready to dance? I do? Okay, so
I have one? Are we doing another? Beanie?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
You do whatever you like.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I think I'll do the hoodie. Okay, I like this.
The back says women's sports just got louder. I like this. Yes, okay.
So my question is who knows the year that Tarika was?
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Is it inducted?
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Okay, oh just pick some Wait, you can't yeal it.
I saw your hand first. No, okay, who somewhere?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Who wait you step? Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Oh that's that?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
That's it?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
She got the whole answer. Okay, you got it.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Let's go. Yeah, shout out.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Shout out to the original one of the original Connecticut
poodles too.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Hello, period, she claimed Virginia. No, but it's all good.
I won't tell nobody. I love it.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
So I need to re arrange some furniture.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yeah, feel free.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
This is a very nice I don't know whose this
belongs to, but it needs to belong to me because
this is nice, this couch, I know.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I'll take the goal.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Go ahead and get some blue and gold in your home.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
By the end of that show, she gonna be sick
of meal.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Don't don't, don't don't.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
So I think this is a good opportunity for us
to go ahead and take this to the next level.
And I have a question for you, Cheryl. When I
say to you, what is torhood? How would you how
what does that mean to you? How would you answer that? Oh,
that's a that's a great question.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
To me.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
When I think of sisterhood, there's a lot that comes
to mind. I think the one word though, that I
think of it's trust. And the reason why I choose
that word is because you know, people always talk about
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your circle, like your circle of friends or keep your
circle tight. I told someone the other day, I said,
I don't have a circle. I have an arc because
there's only probably about three people that I would consider
my sisters that I trust. Now, there are a lot
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of acquaintances, there are a lot of people that I'm like,
oh yeah, I know her, like we'll kick it or whatever.
But when it comes to real, true, genuine trust, there's
only a handful of people, not even a handful. There's
only about three people that I'm like, that's.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
A good one. Trust is a good word.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I think if I was someone and I'm gonna tell you,
this is a difficult conversation to have because different people
have different ideas of what sisterhood looks like. Right, yeah,
And a lot of times people think that idea of
sisterhood is always being kind, it's always being honest, which
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is true. But what they don't understand is sometimes that
sisterhood means sis.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Y'reffing up, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Sometimes that sisterhood means sis, you ain't iron that shirt,
don't put that on. Sometimes sisterhood is saying let me go, no,
you on your George, your hood. I wouldn't I wouldn't
have let you come out here because I'd have talked
about you if you weren't right.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Okay, you ain't seen me before I got dressed.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
But anyway, but I think I think it's important to
understand that sisterhood looks different for everyone and that because
there there oftentimes need to be a conversation about what
sisterhood is in order for people to understand how and
why sisterhood looks different. And I bring this up because
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you know, there's a thing that we say in the
sorority that you might have a lot of sorrows, but
everybody not your sister, and they're in And I feel
like even even in the w NBA space, in the
circle right, you got you know players who you may
say I hated having to go against her, but you know,
let somebody else come at them. Or when you're not
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on the hardwood, there's it's a different relationship, you.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Know what I mean. And I think that's part.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Of what it means to build a sisterhood where it's
in our professional spaces, we can be this. When I'm
in a meeting and I need to debate the facts
or the arguments or the issue or the bylaw or
whatever it is, we can do that and then afterwards
I can be like, hey you.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Hungry, Yeah, yeah, no doubt cause we gotta go eat.
That's what you know. I said. Trust, But just building
off of what you said to me, it also means
like real, real, right, like somebody said to me the
other day. Let me forewarn y'all, I cry at the
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drop of a die.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
She's not lion.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
But I only do it when I'm really passionate about
something or I'm feeling it. So if I cry, y'all, don't,
don't tell nobody I'm a cry baby. But somebody said
to me the other day, and I don't know if
you've heard this, but they said, you need friends and sisters.
That's gonna speak your name in rooms.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
And ooh ooh real for real.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
But also if they hear your name in that room
and they're not speaking well on your name.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
See what I'm saying, they're also.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
See what I'm saying them and say, oh no, no,
we're not gonna do that.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
You know what I'm saying, See what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I often ask myself, like why when people say, oh,
why her such and such about and in my head,
the first thing I think is, well, why are they
getting comfortable saying that in front of you?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Because folks know you know, folks know I'll rock with you, shiry.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Let me tell you how I get in trouble on
social media because the moment that somebody come out of
their mouth crazy, even on a Twitter or Facebook or whatever.
About Cheryl, I'm the first one like she has literally
had to be like, ka, let that roll, Just let
that slide, like, don't even don't even clap back because
I go so hard. So I guess another word that
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you can associate with sisterhood is loyalty. I am absolutely
going to be loyal to my sisters. So ain't nobody
gonna feel comfortable talking no junk about you in my
face because they know.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
But that to me goes both ways, right, because I
don't know how many of y'all follow me. If you don't,
please do. But it works both ways. So when I'm
coming to you like, te let that go, it's because
the stuff that they say in is it's just crazy,
ridiculous nonsense, right, Because then when you respond and you
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say something and they come back and say something to you,
now I got.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
To say them saying, so we're trying to save each other.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah. But when when I look at this room and
I look at your sorority and even our conversation this morning,
to me, it's so much like basketball like WNBA, like
was I best friends with my teammates? Mm? And but
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you know what I did, Like we respect it everybody.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
We didn't necessarily have to like each other or hang
out with each other twenty four to seven, but we
knew when we stepped out on the court like we
were gonna have each other's backs no matter what. Right,
And just being here and walking through the hallway and
seeing everybody, Just y'all, don't mind me if I go
on a tangent for a second.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
It's cool.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
No, you know what I really love how every time y'all,
you y'all see somebody, you address them, you speak, or
you hug, you laugh, all the things that doesn't always happen.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
It doesn't like we can.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Just pass walk by each other and passing and make
eye contact and we have to like we don't see
each other.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
That's the part for me that I'm like, we first
of all, just as a people gotta be better. Yeah,
but a sorority is so much like a WNBA team,
at least the one I played on, because yeah, we
were sisters, we weren't best friends. But you not gonna
come to me and talk crazy about any of my teammates,
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talk sideways about any of my teammates can't know because
I'm gonna have her back at all time period period.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
It's a real it's a real thing, and one of
the things that I love about being in for example,
like a regional conference. There are some women in this
audience who I have spent the last three hundred and
sixty four days talking to on Facebook, and I feel
like I don't.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Raised your kids.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I feel like I know all of the wonderful things
that you got going on in your life. We ain't
never met, never seen each other in real life, never nothing,
but have built that relationship so genuinely that when I
get to an event like this and I finally see you,
I'm like, girl, I feel like it's like we've known
each other the entire time, and like that is the foundation.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Of what a good sisterhood should look like.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
In that same vein that also means this or sister
that probably came in my inbox one time and said
says delete that, Just delete that, because just delete that.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
And I think that.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
That is what is the challenge is that. So I
have three, have three? One two, three, have three? I
gotta count because it's eight of us. It's a lot
of My mama was like and then be having a
nerd to be talking about why you ain't got no kids.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Because you had enough for all of us? What you mean,
because you had a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
So I have three real sisters, blood sisters, one of
which is a sore in the Southeastern Region from Alpha Beta,
chapter one of the first forty eight.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Okay, I'm looking at swor Tanya.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Black Shir when I say that, because Southeastern Region is
then trying to take over our conference out here. Y'all
ain't checked no credentials, Madam sent taxis. Y'all ain't checked
no credentials. It ain't take no conect, no credentials. That's facts.
Money is green everywhere. But I have three, three blood sisters,
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and and there are moments where me and my sister
we do not see I to eye.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
We don't agree on a lot of different things.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
She's just a completely different person than I am, and
so she looks at things and then my baby sister
to want us a sore. She's twenty years younger than me,
So we definitely don't agree on everything. Because I'm like, girl,
I don't, I don't, I don't know. I did not
see the TikTok. I don't know what you're referring to.
I don't get it right. So we definitely don't agree
on everything. But what kills me I finla, I'm about
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to step on some toes right now, Cheryl. What kills
me is when when you when you decide to say,
by being my sister's keeper, I'm about to let my
sister know that she's not that she's not handling her
business the right way. My response, the response I get,
oh you already you are being unsisterly.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Well, I ain't got no sisters, but I got brothers,
and the same thing happens. But to me, a real
true sisterhood means I should be able to tell you
those things without you taking offense or feeling like I'm
being unsisterly because that's life though right, Like things are
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gonna always be great, They're not gonna always go your way.
Like we can disagree. That doesn't mean that I don't
love you or care for you or have your back.
I don't want people in my life. Yeah, don't do that.
Like if you see me coming out looking crazy or
just acting crazy or doing something I shouldn't be doing,
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saying things I should say, or if I've had five
drinks and I'm about to get the six be like
SI not the sixth one. Okay, no, no, no, no no,
but it's but it's true. That goes back to me
talking about being real. I want people in my life,
in my circle that's going to be real with me
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about any and everything.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Give it up for the mic. Man, come on audio.
I did.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I'm in our audio specialist and I called them to
my arm. Did not mean to be disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Where I'm finding this DJ from? No DJ? You all
right with me? Texas?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I'm you can see from the hat boots are on
the ground. Web them fans that see because I knew
somebody in here had one. See what I'm saying where
and it's my area coordinator that got one.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Jans already y'all already did the whole boots on the ready,
got the fans out here, base.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Take us nowhere, take us nowhere.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
You see the black people one new dance and that.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Is too crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
But you know when you just said something though that
I got to run back to really quick because you
said if I say something, I should be able to
say something to you and you not get offended. But
here's my thing. If you say something to me and
I do get offended. As your sister, I should be
able to.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Be like Sis. You might have went a little too
far with that one, or Sis.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I kind of feel some way about that because versus
when we talk about unsubsterly, the unsisterly thing to do,
what to be to be like Zora Black Cheer. Let
me tell you about what Choryol said to me because
I can't believe Sheryl Win blah blah blah blah. Well
I'm talking to Huff instead of talking.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
To you one hundred like that's the that's the thing
that bugs me.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
And so we said trust, We said loyalty, real, honest, real,
and honesty to me are four foundational things of sisterhood.
I should be able to be honest with you and
real with you and then we and we work through
it and move on.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
But do you have an example?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Do you have an example of what sisterhood look like
for you?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Give me an example, sir.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I thought you were going somewhere else, I mean, we
could go.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
There after this. Well, because I got an example for
you for you. Yeah, I got an example for you
of you, for you, not me, but just the sisterhood
I've seen so you talked about You've talked about how
people don't have to be a teammate. And when I
think about a circle of sisterhood, I think of you
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and my love Dawn Staley.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
That's my love to see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
You and Dawn played against each other in the w
played with each other in the Olympics, have had two
different career sets. And that trust, unity, loyalty that you
two have, I still see it. And if it ain't true,
y'all doing a damn good job of making me think
it is.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
That's that's that's a good one. That's a real good one. Listen.
I'm I think about when the WA started in nineteen
ninety seven and twenty twenty five. I look at where
we are, the growth of the game, the popularity, opportunity,
all the things. One thing that I'm never ever, ever, ever, ever,
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I'm sorry, let me say it another way, ever, ever, ever, ever,
ever ever gonna do is allow people social media, whoever
it is, to come for my sister Don's day. That's it, Like,
I'm never gonna do that because, first of all, a
lot of the things that you're saying doing coming at
her about are wrong false, like you're real loud and
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it's false. But it's not just about don s daily
and you know this, which is where I get a
lot of my hate and all the things from like
our young ladies who are participating, playing, doing everything in
the w And let's remind everybody the WNBA is. My
numbers will probably be wrong, but I'll say ninety percent
black yep.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I just need people to.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Recognize that, right and appreciate that and show respect to
the players that came before, but even the players that
are playing today.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Right, right, you can definitely clap for that.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
And show when I when I see things on social media,
so you're talking about like sisterhood, even if I don't
know you, if I see people coming at you wrong
and sideways and talking bad to you, like I'm going
to use my voice. I'm going to use my platform
to say, hold on a minute. One you don't even
know her, so like, let's not let's not do that,
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let's not go there. But I want to give you
one example of.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
What I thought sisterhood was ooh, and then it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
And I found out that it that maybe what I
feel towards you is different than what you you feel
towards me, right, And I'm not gonna say any names.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
But.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
I told you all they get real our podcast. It
was probably yeah, it was. It was a year ago.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Someone who I have always considered a friend. I have
nothing but love and respect for her, had just probably
seen her a couple of weeks before, and I go
on social media and all of a sudden, I'm like
reading things of like what happened? Where did this come from?
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And this person had actually posted something on her I
guess YouTube channel from her podcast basically calling me out
on something that wasn't even true, and later came back
and apologized. But my issue with that was I could
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have very easily done the same thing gone to social media.
We could have gone back. For first of all, I
am a grown, sorry ass woman, So if I have
an issue with you, and especially if we're friends, I'm
gonna call you. I'm not gonna go post nothing on
social media. So I saw it people sending it to me,
texting me, girl, did you see what she said?
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I called you.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
If you don't remember, I remember, and I cried. I
cried because I was angry. I cried because I was hurt.
And I said, te do you have so and So's number?
She was like, oh yeah, I got a girl. Why
what's up? And I was like, I don't even want
to talk. I just need the number. I said, but
before you give it to me, make sure she's okay
with me having her number. I got the number. I
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text her and I said, if you have an issue
or a problem with something, I said, as my sister,
why didn't you call me? Why didn't you text me
instead of putting it out on social media? Never mind
the fact that what you put out there was wrong.
Everything was wrong. So we ended up having a conversation.
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We did, and she said, please, I hope you can
forgive me. I'm sorry. She went back and she posted
an apology y'all. But I'm a firm believer in that
apology needs to be as loud as the disrespect was. Yep,
And so all the people that were that came on
(27:28):
and were like, yay, yay. Somebody says that the tour, well,
this apology was hidden somewhere, so those people didn't even
see it. Nor do I care. But what I cared
about was what you did. Like our friendship, because I
don't even call it a sisterhood anymore, our friendship will
never be the same because it goes back to the
(27:50):
first word I said, trust. I don't trust you, yep.
And it hurts me to my heart, my core, because
this lady is one that's big on TV, in the
space and even right now. It hurts me, yeah, to
feel this way because like I genuinely yeah, love and
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respect that woman.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
That's that is another part of So let me preface
that by saying this right.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
When we talk about like.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Breakups, friendship breakups, since sisterhood breakups, they hurt too.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
You know what I mean, they hurt too.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
They hurt just like relationship breakups because you, again, you
invest time, you invest yourself, You expose a part of
yourself to someone who you believe is your friend, is
your sister, and when you find out that that person
has broken your trust, broken your loyalty, not been honest
with you, not being real with you, that is not
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something that is easy to get over. And so I
oftentimes have conversation with my friends where I'm like, girl,
I get why that might have hurt your feelings, and
I get why.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
It might not be easy for you.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I had my bridesmaid, myrides, my maid of honor, and
my wedding. She and I are nowhere near. We have
been friends for fifteen years, and my wedding was the
the what's the thing the needle that broke the camel's back?
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah, straw, straw.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
See that's how you know. I ain't from the South forreal.
I don't either.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
I can't even get the Analogy're right, I'm from Detroit.
God here it is.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Anita could probably break this back.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Okay, wait a minute, time out, because Detroit is clearly
in the building.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (29:35):
You feel me?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
You feel me?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Hold on, it's New York in the building. Okay, all right,
all right, all right, all right, y'all see New York.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Y'all see New York, New York showing up. I did
that on purpose. Detroit Knicks fans, all of them. We
ain't talking to none of them folks.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Who was just Hike fifteen.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Minutes ago, acting up in the middle of the show.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I swear to God, you can't say black people.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
No, y'all so fun showing out, y'all saw all them
New Yorkers. We ain't talking to y'all at seven thirty
because the Pistons played the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I don't know, y'all at.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Seven thirty okay, luck, I'm just letting you know I said,
good luck, Oh, thank you. But so when we were
talking about friendship breakups, all them New York is gonna
be mad at me at seven thirty five.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
That's all I'm saying, y'all, not gonna.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Be paging, is not gonna be friendship breakups. We broke
up at seven thirty. Okay, you know I wanna. I
want to go back to what you were saying.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Listen, in all honesty, Sometimes, at least to me, sometimes
a sister or friend breakup, it's harder than oh, I agree,
a partner, boyfriend, girlfriend's significance. I agree, because you know what,
I'm just gonna go find me another partner.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
But I have told you all, look something, some things
that I ain't even told my husband. See what I'm saying, yeap, y'ah.
And to invest the time and energy and all the things,
the peers, all the things yeap, that you and I
have shared for you to do what you did, yep,
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likes that's hard.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Now let me ask you this and this is I love,
We love audience participation. So if you have question, comments,
things you want to get in, please let me know.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
We can definitely get you on.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
That's part of the live podcast experience, so you can
be on the show. Do you think that it is
possible to revive a sisterhood once it has been broken?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Ooh, y'all said no.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
They are a tough crowd. They said no. They said no.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
You know, I I think I want to say no,
but I also think it depends on.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
What happened.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
So example, the situation I was just telling you all
about you and I have talked about this because I
initially you were like, let's bring her on the podcast
so we can have a conversation. And I said, oh no, no, no,
she I did. She don't want that. But just the
other day you say.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
The type of since I am massy, watch you.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
But just the other day, right after some time I
said to you, I said, tee, I think I'm ready, right,
And that doesn't mean ready to like rebuild that sisterhood,
that friendship, but from for my peace of mind and
for me to move forward, I need to have a
conversation with you. So you know, here's what you did.
(33:10):
Here's how you hurt me. You don't. You don't get
to have that bad face with me anymore. Right Like,
I'm still gonna respect you for what you do and
all the things, but I'm gonna do that from a distance.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
See, I'm on the fence.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I'm on the fence because I think that one of
the one of the things that we do we have
en Sigma is seven misses.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
It's who seven misses?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Seven misses?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
And one of those misses is misunderstanding. Oh okay, And
it's not a good thing, by the way. But sometimes
and I see this on social media a lot, and
every time I see it's like a meme, well one
of those like a meme that people post and they
share all the time, And I absolutely hate it because
to me, it is from my perspective, it is just
(33:56):
absolutely untrue. But one of the things that I see
that people to share a lot is people know what
they did to you to.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Make you act the way you act. Of course, I
don't believe that. I don't believe that at all.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
No, because there are times that your energy, your spirit
or just being you can cause offense to other people
and now they mad at you, and you don't even
know why they mad. That is true, and they haven't
had the opportunity to come to you and tell you
this is what you did or this is what you said.
They just assume whatever you did or said was done
intentionally and purposefully. So now they walking around for twenty
(34:32):
years with an attitude with you when really we could
have had a conversation to settle the misunderstanding. That's good
and so I, in full transparency, have been the victim
of that a lot.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
I'm a blunt person.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
You didn't know you could tell. Let me give you this,
no kidding, but I'm a blunt person. I'm very fun,
very transparent.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
I joke around a lot.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
And there are times where one of something that I've
said or done not necessarily done it on purpose. But
I'll give you an example. I came into a room.
Now I'm a Leo.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Any Leo's in the building. Now, y'all know when we
walk in the room, we steal the show.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
It's just what we do. It's just what Leo's do. Right,
we just got that Leo energy. It comes in, it
steals the shout.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Right.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
So I walked into what birthday party? And I said, Hey, everybody,
what's going on? How y'all doing? Where's the birthday girl?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Girl?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
The birthday girl got mad because she felt like I
came to her party and just stole, like stole her
thunder was she your friend?
Speaker 3 (35:38):
She was my friend?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
And I was like, And so what ended up happening
was after this incident, like I would text her, but
she wouldn't text me back, or if she did text
me back, it'd be like a one word answer, or
it was little things. And I was just like, did
I do something to her? Or did I do something?
And I found out many months later that she felt
(36:01):
like I ruined her birthday because I.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Was overly energetic and overly friendly. And that's just my
natural who I am.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
And you also know that when it comes to me
in birthdays, I didne probably bought you by fad drink.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Yeah, oh you know for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Girl.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
We're gonna tell y'all one day, not today. You want
one day about how I acted on Cheryl's birthday.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
So how she acted on my birthday?
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Okay, I celebrate.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Girl almost had me getting a divorce because you had it.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
You almost not really, y'all.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
But I say all that to say I celebrate other people.
So just like I celebrated you on your day, absolutely
celebrated her on her day, but she felt my energy
and everything was over the top and it took away
from her on her day. And so if I think
about that meme, people know what they did to make
you feel a way. How would I know that you
(36:57):
felt that way and you didn't, as my friend, come
to me and tell me, talk to me, share that
information with me. At least let me know that I
offended you so that I could apologize, because it's not
my attent. And that's the other thing to me about sisterhood.
When you're wrong, it's cool to be like, since my
bad facts where you're.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Wrong, it's cool to be like, I didn't realize that
it affected you that way. I didn't mean that I apologize.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
I just I think sometimes we use that word sisterhood
to lightly loosely, yeah, because a lot of people don't
really truly understand what not only what it means, but
what comes with it. Yes, if I say to you
like you are my sister, like you are.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
My you are my sister girl, and I'm trying to
make you my sorrow, Oh, I'm.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Conversation but I know that you're going to have my back.
I don't care where i'm at if I'm not in
that room and you're in that room. Oh already know,
like I know it's going to happen. So I had again, dang,
y'all probably like I need to pick better friends, not you. No,
(38:12):
because I was about to tell this story real quick,
because when you talk about like just saying no, you
say no to a friend, then.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
They say you ain't right, you ain't a friend.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
You know. I can't believe she said no to mean somebody.
The other day, I said, how are you mad at me?
Because I won't spend my money on something for you?
It's my money, So she said to me, she said, yeah,
but you can do it. It ain't even about that, right,
(38:46):
It's not about that. I had a friend say to
me that she couldn't be my friend anymore because we
went two weeks without me texting her. But I reminded her,
I said, if we go through our text exchange, I
(39:09):
text you once a week every week. I'm the one
that's always reaching out to you. So I intentionally did
text see if you would reach out to me. Yeah.
So my point in that is how like it should
work both ways, right, And if you if you're really
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my friend and you haven't heard from me in two weeks,
you don't, you're not concerned? What what's going on?
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Going on with me?
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Exactly exactly like the old thing that says check on
your strong friends sometimes, yes, because your strong friends struggle
and we go through stuff too.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Yes, yes, but if.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
You're not going to text, text me and check on me,
you have no idea, Yes, what I might be going what.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
I might be going through, exactly exactly, And so as.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
We look, so I said, by and run me my
money back. Yeah, I asked, what you want to do,
just come on running back?
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Well, if you got some extra coins laying around, there's
a vendor room downstairs. I just tell you what I
bought over here that looks the cook whar I'm just
laying There's a vendor room downstairs. I got some nice
stuff in it. But I know we have to start
to wrap up very soon. But I would love to
(40:30):
just kind of pull the audience a little bit, if
you don't mind, and just see if there are maybe
two or three who don't mind sharing with our audience
what their definition of sisterhood is, or what they would
(40:52):
describe a sisterhood to be, because we started this by
saying it's different for everyone.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
So do I have one over there? Three?
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Just come up straight?
Speaker 2 (41:01):
She range, Just come on, come on up to the front,
because I can't take the mic down there, so you
got to come up here.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
You got oh see there we go. Hello, Hello, Sure,
I love you.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
My definition of sisterhood is actually being the person that
I expect from myself to you. If you can't be
honest and open with me, tell me what I'm doing wrong,
tell me when I'm doing good, be my cheerleading when
I need it, and even be my mentor and even
my mom at times to say nope, like you do.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Terrika, Rika, she she is a sister. You can't be
my sister.
Speaker 6 (41:38):
I've had too many friends who I call cis and
ended up being the cist that was the snake cysts
because the whole time I'm sitting here and I'm being
the friend and a sister to you, and the whole
time you were actually planning and plotting against me. So
sisterhood is when you can genuinely be yourself and be
(41:59):
able to tell me bad good, and indifferent and we
could still hook it out at the end.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, that's good, And you hit on something else that
we needn't got time to discuss because I have oftentimes
been that person where I'm like, I would do that,
and therefore I expect you to do that for me
because I would do that for you. But then you
realize that everybody not you, right, so you can't really
do You can't really expect people to give you and
(42:27):
do for you as you would do for them because they're.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Just not you.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Yep, so interesting, hey, sith.
Speaker 5 (42:33):
So for me, sisterhood is about communications, about communicating your love,
and the most important thing about that is grace and empathy.
I think if that's anything that we do, we have
to extend grace to one another and also be truthful.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
And truth isn't about.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
Just because something like I don't like your head like that.
There's ways that you can say something to someone without
hugging their things, but also showing the truth in it,
and that comes down to also.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Being raceful with one another.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
People make mistakes and understanding that your friends aren't going
to be perfect, your sisters aren't always going to be perfect,
but giving them the grace to understand and try and
emphasize with where they are.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
That's good, that's really good. We got one more. I
see the sword right here. Can you meet me at
the stage, sore. Sisterhood for me is the sister that's
gonna pray for me, pray and truth and hold it
in their heart and not share it with anybody else.
(43:34):
To pray me out of that situation. Now tell me
what to do, but pray me out of it. Thank you,
that's all you need. Oh that's good. That should have
been p r A Y. No, that's good.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Not pr e y.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Okay, we are Hey, we can have church up in here.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
Okay, thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
That was so good. And because I know we're gonna
wrap in a minute. But I was sitting here thinking
about something. So it's a question I'm going to ask you,
and if anybody wants to answer it, sure, if I'm
your sister and you're my sister, like, I only want
the best for you, absolutely in everything, absolutely, So why
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is it that we feel like we always have to
compete with each other?
Speaker 3 (44:34):
I wouldn't know how to answer that because I don't
have that spirit.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
I'm like, listen, I want all the things for you, absolutely,
because I believe what's for you is for you.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
So this actually takes me to the conversation we had
this morning when and we won't get too too political,
when your brother asked you, so, I'm supposed to vote
for Kamala just because I'm black?
Speaker 7 (44:58):
Yes, yes, yes, But I can give you a whole
lot of other reasons why you should, other reasons why
you should, But yes, yes, because.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Number one, as a black woman, I want the best
for you, and I want you to be successful and
to see another black woman sitting in the highest office
in our land.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
How about yes?
Speaker 3 (45:20):
And for nothing else, Yes, that's why I'm vote for you.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
So here's what I told you. It's my baby brother.
But I mean he's forty years old, right, So I
said to him, because he I said, well, if you're
not going to vote for her because she's a black woman,
let me give you a lot of other reasons why
you should. Right anyway, But I said to him, I said,
when you say the things you're saying about her, you're
(45:44):
saying about me. And I'm your sister for real, So
I am good enough to cook your food, to clean
your house, to wash your clothes, to run your beast
to give you massage, to do all what all the
things that we do, but I ain't good enough to
run the country.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
So he was like, no, no, no, understand about you. But
it is. But it is the only difference is I
mean there are several but she light skin. I'm dark skinned.
But it's a black woman. So when you say the
things that you're saying, I notice a little off topic, y'all,
but I got hot. But when you say the things
that you're saying about Kamala Harris as a who is
(46:26):
a black woman, I feel this. I feel those things.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
You know, it's not off topic because that is another
level of sisterhood. We have sisterhood here because remembers of
sigmcguame Moreau. We have sisterhood because we are representing in
the sports world and beyond. But there is a sisterhood
among black women. And too often people are doing and
saying things yes this, yes, when there is space and
(46:50):
love for literally all of us in everything that we're doing.
And you can see how big and bad that sisterhood
really is. Speaking of Kamala when the day her announcement
was made about her campaign, that evening four million dollars
was raised.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
How about that.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
That's how the sisterhood is. That's how we operate as
black women. So there is absolutely a sisterhood among us,
and I think the best way to close is that
we literally have to be diligent and have to be
intentional about how we utilize that sisterhood. We have to
keep each other together and we have to hold each
other accountable. But they don't never need to be a competition. No,
(47:29):
it never needs to be a competition now ever. Ever, ever,
unless there's some money on the line, then maybe.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Maybe it will then become a competition.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Like gonna I'm gonna compete.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
I'm gonna compete.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
That's different, like I'm competing with you, right, cheer for
you, you know what. I'm gonna push you a little bit.
I'm gonna be like tea girl, what you waiting on?
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Yeah? Go get her for sure, Go.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Get your blessing. Go gig go gig yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Okay, So before we get out of here, I want
to first of all say thank you all for allowing
us to have our show.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
We got giveaways.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
We do have a.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Couple more giveaways to give away, and I already know
who I'm gonna get this to Oh do you know
how'mna get this too. I'm giving this to Sora Shakara,
who literally just came up here to speak. And I'm
gonna tell you why, because it is not easy to
get on a microphone. And anytime you ask somebody do
you want to have something to say, y'all know y'all
(48:32):
got something to say, but you always scared to come
to the mic. And so because she was the first
one who was unscared to come to the mic, she's
finna get this.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
One, right. Did you say unscared? There? You did say unscared?
Speaker 3 (48:45):
There you go?
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Well, I feel like I should just give this to somebody.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Then we'll listen.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Okay, I'm gonna keep it. I give it to somebody.
I will give it. I'm gonna give it to you.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Wanna give it to who herd?
Speaker 1 (48:56):
There? Yep?
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Which one in the blue?
Speaker 1 (48:59):
What's your name? Connie Kanya? I know I met you outside, right,
I don't want my glasses on? Yep?
Speaker 3 (49:09):
This is hers.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
I got you.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Now you know she's from the Southeastern region. Why you
were worn?
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Now?
Speaker 3 (49:14):
Wait, we're giving up.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
We're giving out hoodies and all the things.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Oh, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
You then came up to our region and just taking stuff.
We're giving out latives and taxis. I have got a complaint.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
I got a.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Grievance, and no I gotta I gotta grievance. Oh oh,
I didn't point of order. I'm just like, we gonna
get enough of that tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
I'm playing. I'm playing.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
And she talked, she told me right, you know, but
she also told me that she used her I don't
know if it was her first paycheck, but she used
her paycheck to buy a pair of air swoops. She's hid.
Look at that. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
I do.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
Well.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
How we close our show as we again, our show
is levels to this and so if you notice the
opening its surface level.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
The conversation is next level.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
And when we get to the end, we always level
off with a good positive word because no matter what
we talk about on the show, we want you to
leave feeling that there is a promise of hope, of positivity,
of good just good nature after listening and kind of
being on the show with us.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
So what you got for us today, Cheryl?
Speaker 1 (50:47):
Oh, I do have something good? So I know we
just ended Women's Black History Month. We did, but it's
Women's Black History Month for us every day period. So
I felt like this quote was very fitting for this room,
and it says, I am a black woman. Don't look
(51:09):
beyond me, don't see through me. Look me in the eye,
hold my gaze, Listen to my heart, see my soul,
see me for who I am, not what you would
like me to be. Accept or reject, but don't hide
(51:29):
from my truth.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
I love that so much, especially the don't look through me,
don't look beyond me.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Like, see me for who I am.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
Yeah, that is an incredible way to end the show,
and so I want to say thank.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
You to all of you.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
We appreciate you being a part of this podcast experience.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
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(52:23):
and so.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
Until next time.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Keep your say one thing you can I know you're closing.
Y'all probably already know this.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
Uh oh, don't you don't you? And Bear, don't you like?
Speaker 1 (52:36):
I love you this this one right here? And she
may not know it.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Don't you do this showyl like she's held.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
Me down a lot and gotten me through some really,
really really dark days just to hear her voice. And
I know no matter she might not answer when I call,
but she gonna text and be like this, I call
you right back like I need. I need you to
know in front of all of our sisters in this room,
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I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
Don't you make me mess.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
I appreciate you for always being you.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
I do.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Thank you, sir.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
I love you that.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
I love you.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Now I'm gonna fight you because when I came a
beat the heck out my face and now you didn't
got She's still here somewhere say got me out here
tearing up. But anyway, thank you all so much. We
appreciate you. We we really do appreciate having this opportunity.
And before I get off the stage, I said I
was gonna make sure to get this on my podcast.
I have to show love to the Spear Foundation. Which
is doing amazing work and it's continuing and as a
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sponsor for this event, and I absolutely have to as
we talked about paying homage, I absolutely have to show
love to our leadership that is sitting in the front
of this room, Madam first and second, Grand Madam, Grand Madison,
Tactis Madam Far Western Tactis, Madam Southwestern Taxis Madam Southeastern
UCC Madam twenty three Send our Jordan's Send Tactis to
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pasting Taxtias Preston and passing Taxis Vannable. Thank you all
so much for what you all continue to do.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey, what's up, everybody, it's your girl, Srika Foster Brasby.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
What's going on, y'all? It's girl Cheryl Swoops and this.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Week we are bringing you our live episode from Norfolk,
Virginia at the Northeastern Regional Conference of Signia Gammerose Arority Incorporated.
Cheryl I had a great time recording this episode all.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Kim, I need to redo cuz listen everything about First
of all, I love the conversation. Everything about the conversation.
I love the episode, but just the environment, the people,
the sisters like I fell right at home, so super
excited for this.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
That love to hear that.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well, without further ado, y'all check out our live episode.
I hope you enjoy it as much as Seeryl and
I enjoy recording it.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
The portion that we really came to see was Tarika
Foster Brasby, our very own Soar and the legendary Ryl
Swoops giving up for them.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
They are coming to.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
The stage to film their amazing podcast Levels to This.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Oh, y'all not lit enough for me. If y'all know me,
y'all know, y'all gotta bring the energy. Hey, hey, Well,
first and foremost, thank you guys so much for having me.
I was coming anyway, duh. But I'm very excited to
be hosting our podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
And so our podcast is called Levels to This.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It is found on the iHeartRadio network, so anywhere you
get your podcasts, Apple Podcasts, Spotify on a good places.
And I'm very fortunate because I host this podcast with
a phenomenal and I do mean a phenomenal superstar person, athlete.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Just all around individual. Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
So I want y'all to make her feel very, very
welcomed and very special. I'm trying to recruit, Okay. I
need y'all to help me, all right. I need y'all
to have my back, okay, all right, So I want
you guys to give a huge welcome to the Natesmith
Hall of Famer, four time WNBA Champion, Olympic gold medalist
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be wanted. Only CHERRYL swooons y'all.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Hey a, I'm from Texas, so y'all know, y'all, y'all.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Right, listen, we got Texas in here. That is amazing.
So first and foremost, everybody, welcome to the levels to
this podcast. This is the show where we talk about
the levels to the ish that women go through. And
I'm tame myself a little bit. I'm gonna act like
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my mama raised me, and I got some decorn because realistically,
in our podcast we get a little real and so
we are gonna have some real conversation here today. I'm
very excited to be here in Norfolk, Virginia. We have
a great show lined up and planned. But first, how's
you been, Cheryl?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Like?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
How was getting here? How has your experience been since
you've been here?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Okay, So first of all, I am so excited to
be in a room full of some beautiful black women.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Period, Harriet, period.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Now, I had no idea, and I'm just forewarning those
of you who didn't stop at that table up front.
Four hundred dollars later, they were smart because they put
the They put the table, the pots, the pans, all
the things right by the front door instead of back here.
But I have to tell you I got in super
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late last night. But I've had had some amazing, incredible
women that have taken great care of me. Love that,
and just so y'all know, like I have felt the
love since I got here. So I just want to
say thank you to everybody that showed me love. I
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just I truly appreciate it. And for those of you
that asked for photos earlier when I was like, nah,
I ain't ready. Oh I'm ready now, Yeah see this
cause she ain't ain't had a face.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
One like it was not It wasn't given. And like,
come on, y'all know how we act when we taking photos.
It wasn't given. It's got to give because the pictures
end up everywhere.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
The pictures are.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Gonna be everywhere. I mean, we're as an international organization.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
We got over We got over five hundred chapters across
the world. You see me recruiting. I stay recruiting. Okay,
all right.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Oh y'all adt no breakfast this morning? We wait. We
talked about something. I'm learning a lot of history. I
will say that.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well, I will say this, there are a lot of
things that you will learn about the women of Sigma
Gamero and just being in this environment in general. Of course,
you know you'll see and hear about the service. You'll
see some of the beautiful young scholars who we've helped
through scholarship programs and things like that. But there's this
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other principle that we have that is incredibly important to
what we do, and that is sisterhood. Yeah, today our
topic of conversation, because see how we do on our
show is we have our segment here, which is our
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surface level segment. We just kind of shoot the ish
a little bit and you know, talk about a love
of this or that, but then we take it to
the next level where we really get off into the conversation.
And this episode, I really felt that it was important
for us to talk about sister good.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I agree. I mean, no better audience to have that
conversation with. Yeah, are we gonna like do a little
giveaway before we get.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Into I think we should because I want people to
stay the whole time.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Okay, okay, okay, okay. So I have a quick.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Question, and I have a beanie cap and I know
it's like summertime, so you probably don't need it right now,
but if you like me, I like wearing hats all
the time, and so if anybody in the audience knows
When I introduced Cheryl, I said that she was a
four time champion, but does anybody know what team she
played for? That's say, oh, I see your hair raised,
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just say it aloud. Yes, yes, that's right, look at you.
We'll just be letting any and everybody in this conference.
Let we're just like did Joe Chuck cut credentials?
Speaker 3 (06:57):
When we let.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Turika? You always ready to dance? I do? Okay, so
I have one? Are we doing another? Beanie?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
You do whatever you like.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I think I'll do the hoodie. Okay, I like this.
The back says women's sports just got louder. I like this. Yes, okay.
So my question is who knows the year that Tarika was?
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Is it inducted?
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Okay, oh just pick some Wait, you can't yeal it.
I saw your hand first. No, okay, who somewhere?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Who wait you step? Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Oh that's that?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
That's it?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
She got the whole answer. Okay, you got it.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Let's go. Yeah, shout out.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Shout out to the original one of the original Connecticut
poodles too.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Hello, period, she claimed Virginia. No, but it's all good.
I won't tell nobody. I love it.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
So I need to re arrange some furniture.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yeah, feel free.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
This is a very nice I don't know whose this
belongs to, but it needs to belong to me because
this is nice, this couch, I know.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I'll take the goal.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Go ahead and get some blue and gold in your home.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
By the end of that show, she gonna be sick
of meal.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Don't don't, don't don't.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
So I think this is a good opportunity for us
to go ahead and take this to the next level.
And I have a question for you, Cheryl. When I
say to you, what is torhood? How would you how
what does that mean to you? How would you answer that? Oh,
that's a that's a great question.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
To me.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
When I think of sisterhood, there's a lot that comes
to mind. I think the one word though, that I
think of it's trust. And the reason why I choose
that word is because you know, people always talk about
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your circle, like your circle of friends or keep your
circle tight. I told someone the other day, I said,
I don't have a circle. I have an arc because
there's only probably about three people that I would consider
my sisters that I trust. Now, there are a lot
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of acquaintances, there are a lot of people that I'm like,
oh yeah, I know her, like we'll kick it or whatever.
But when it comes to real, true, genuine trust, there's
only a handful of people, not even a handful. There's
only about three people that I'm like, that's.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
A good one. Trust is a good word.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I think if I was someone and I'm gonna tell you,
this is a difficult conversation to have because different people
have different ideas of what sisterhood looks like. Right, yeah,
And a lot of times people think that idea of
sisterhood is always being kind, it's always being honest, which
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is true. But what they don't understand is sometimes that
sisterhood means sis.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Y'reffing up, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Sometimes that sisterhood means sis, you ain't iron that shirt,
don't put that on. Sometimes sisterhood is saying let me go, no,
you on your George, your hood. I wouldn't I wouldn't
have let you come out here because I'd have talked
about you if you weren't right.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Okay, you ain't seen me before I got dressed.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
But anyway, but I think I think it's important to
understand that sisterhood looks different for everyone and that because
there there oftentimes need to be a conversation about what
sisterhood is in order for people to understand how and
why sisterhood looks different. And I bring this up because
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you know, there's a thing that we say in the
sorority that you might have a lot of sorrows, but
everybody not your sister, and they're in And I feel
like even even in the w NBA space, in the
circle right, you got you know players who you may
say I hated having to go against her, but you know,
let somebody else come at them. Or when you're not
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on the hardwood, there's it's a different relationship, you.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Know what I mean. And I think that's part.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Of what it means to build a sisterhood where it's
in our professional spaces, we can be this. When I'm
in a meeting and I need to debate the facts
or the arguments or the issue or the bylaw or
whatever it is, we can do that and then afterwards
I can be like, hey you.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Hungry, Yeah, yeah, no doubt cause we gotta go eat.
That's what you know. I said. Trust, But just building
off of what you said to me, it also means
like real, real, right, like somebody said to me the
other day. Let me forewarn y'all, I cry at the
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drop of a die.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
She's not lion.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
But I only do it when I'm really passionate about
something or I'm feeling it. So if I cry, y'all, don't,
don't tell nobody I'm a cry baby. But somebody said
to me the other day, and I don't know if
you've heard this, but they said, you need friends and sisters.
That's gonna speak your name in rooms.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
And ooh ooh real for real.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
But also if they hear your name in that room
and they're not speaking well on your name.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
See what I'm saying, they're also.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
See what I'm saying them and say, oh no, no,
we're not gonna do that.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
You know what I'm saying, See what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I often ask myself, like why when people say, oh,
why her such and such about and in my head,
the first thing I think is, well, why are they
getting comfortable saying that in front of you?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Because folks know you know, folks know I'll rock with you, shiry.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Let me tell you how I get in trouble on
social media because the moment that somebody come out of
their mouth crazy, even on a Twitter or Facebook or whatever.
About Cheryl, I'm the first one like she has literally
had to be like, ka, let that roll, Just let
that slide, like, don't even don't even clap back because
I go so hard. So I guess another word that
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you can associate with sisterhood is loyalty. I am absolutely
going to be loyal to my sisters. So ain't nobody
gonna feel comfortable talking no junk about you in my
face because they know.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
But that to me goes both ways, right, because I
don't know how many of y'all follow me. If you don't,
please do. But it works both ways. So when I'm
coming to you like, te let that go, it's because
the stuff that they say in is it's just crazy,
ridiculous nonsense, right, Because then when you respond and you
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say something and they come back and say something to you,
now I got.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
To say them saying, so we're trying to save each other.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah. But when when I look at this room and
I look at your sorority and even our conversation this morning,
to me, it's so much like basketball like WNBA, like
was I best friends with my teammates? Mm? And but
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you know what I did, Like we respect it everybody.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
We didn't necessarily have to like each other or hang
out with each other twenty four to seven, but we
knew when we stepped out on the court like we
were gonna have each other's backs no matter what. Right,
And just being here and walking through the hallway and
seeing everybody, Just y'all, don't mind me if I go
on a tangent for a second.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
It's cool.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
No, you know what I really love how every time y'all,
you y'all see somebody, you address them, you speak, or
you hug, you laugh, all the things that doesn't always happen.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
It doesn't like we can.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Just pass walk by each other and passing and make
eye contact and we have to like we don't see
each other.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
That's the part for me that I'm like, we first
of all, just as a people gotta be better. Yeah,
but a sorority is so much like a WNBA team,
at least the one I played on, because yeah, we
were sisters, we weren't best friends. But you not gonna
come to me and talk crazy about any of my teammates,
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talk sideways about any of my teammates can't know because
I'm gonna have her back at all time period period.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
It's a real it's a real thing, and one of
the things that I love about being in for example,
like a regional conference. There are some women in this
audience who I have spent the last three hundred and
sixty four days talking to on Facebook, and I feel
like I don't.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Raised your kids.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I feel like I know all of the wonderful things
that you got going on in your life. We ain't
never met, never seen each other in real life, never nothing,
but have built that relationship so genuinely that when I
get to an event like this and I finally see you,
I'm like, girl, I feel like it's like we've known
each other the entire time, and like that is the foundation.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Of what a good sisterhood should look like.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
In that same vein that also means this or sister
that probably came in my inbox one time and said
says delete that, Just delete that, because just delete that.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
And I think that.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
That is what is the challenge is that. So I
have three, have three? One two, three, have three? I
gotta count because it's eight of us. It's a lot
of My mama was like and then be having a
nerd to be talking about why you ain't got no kids.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Because you had enough for all of us? What you mean,
because you had a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
So I have three real sisters, blood sisters, one of
which is a sore in the Southeastern Region from Alpha Beta,
chapter one of the first forty eight.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Okay, I'm looking at swor Tanya.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Black Shir when I say that, because Southeastern Region is
then trying to take over our conference out here. Y'all
ain't checked no credentials, Madam sent taxis. Y'all ain't checked
no credentials. It ain't take no conect, no credentials. That's facts.
Money is green everywhere. But I have three, three blood sisters,
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and and there are moments where me and my sister
we do not see I to eye.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
We don't agree on a lot of different things.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
She's just a completely different person than I am, and
so she looks at things and then my baby sister
to want us a sore. She's twenty years younger than me,
So we definitely don't agree on everything. Because I'm like, girl,
I don't, I don't, I don't know. I did not
see the TikTok. I don't know what you're referring to.
I don't get it right. So we definitely don't agree
on everything. But what kills me I finla, I'm about
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to step on some toes right now, Cheryl. What kills
me is when when you when you decide to say,
by being my sister's keeper, I'm about to let my
sister know that she's not that she's not handling her
business the right way. My response, the response I get,
oh you already you are being unsisterly.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Well, I ain't got no sisters, but I got brothers,
and the same thing happens. But to me, a real
true sisterhood means I should be able to tell you
those things without you taking offense or feeling like I'm
being unsisterly because that's life though right, Like things are
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gonna always be great, They're not gonna always go your way.
Like we can disagree. That doesn't mean that I don't
love you or care for you or have your back.
I don't want people in my life. Yeah, don't do that.
Like if you see me coming out looking crazy or
just acting crazy or doing something I shouldn't be doing,
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saying things I should say, or if I've had five
drinks and I'm about to get the six be like
SI not the sixth one. Okay, no, no, no, no no,
but it's but it's true. That goes back to me
talking about being real. I want people in my life,
in my circle that's going to be real with me
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about any and everything.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Give it up for the mic. Man, come on audio.
I did.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I'm in our audio specialist and I called them to
my arm. Did not mean to be disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Where I'm finding this DJ from? No DJ? You all
right with me? Texas?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I'm you can see from the hat boots are on
the ground. Web them fans that see because I knew
somebody in here had one. See what I'm saying where
and it's my area coordinator that got one.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Jans already y'all already did the whole boots on the ready,
got the fans out here, base.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Take us nowhere, take us nowhere.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
You see the black people one new dance and that.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Is too crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
But you know when you just said something though that
I got to run back to really quick because you
said if I say something, I should be able to
say something to you and you not get offended. But
here's my thing. If you say something to me and
I do get offended. As your sister, I should be
able to.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Be like Sis. You might have went a little too
far with that one, or Sis.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I kind of feel some way about that because versus
when we talk about unsubsterly, the unsisterly thing to do,
what to be to be like Zora Black Cheer. Let
me tell you about what Choryol said to me because
I can't believe Sheryl Win blah blah blah blah. Well
I'm talking to Huff instead of talking.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
To you one hundred like that's the that's the thing
that bugs me.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
And so we said trust, We said loyalty, real, honest, real,
and honesty to me are four foundational things of sisterhood.
I should be able to be honest with you and
real with you and then we and we work through
it and move on.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
But do you have an example?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Do you have an example of what sisterhood look like
for you?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Give me an example, sir.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I thought you were going somewhere else, I mean, we
could go.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
There after this. Well, because I got an example for
you for you. Yeah, I got an example for you
of you, for you, not me, but just the sisterhood
I've seen so you talked about You've talked about how
people don't have to be a teammate. And when I
think about a circle of sisterhood, I think of you
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and my love Dawn Staley.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
That's my love to see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
You and Dawn played against each other in the w
played with each other in the Olympics, have had two
different career sets. And that trust, unity, loyalty that you
two have, I still see it. And if it ain't true,
y'all doing a damn good job of making me think
it is.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
That's that's that's a good one. That's a real good one. Listen.
I'm I think about when the WA started in nineteen
ninety seven and twenty twenty five. I look at where
we are, the growth of the game, the popularity, opportunity,
all the things. One thing that I'm never ever, ever, ever, ever,
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I'm sorry, let me say it another way, ever, ever, ever, ever,
ever ever gonna do is allow people social media, whoever
it is, to come for my sister Don's day. That's it, Like,
I'm never gonna do that because, first of all, a
lot of the things that you're saying doing coming at
her about are wrong false, like you're real loud and
(23:42):
it's false. But it's not just about don s daily
and you know this, which is where I get a
lot of my hate and all the things from like
our young ladies who are participating, playing, doing everything in
the w And let's remind everybody the WNBA is. My
numbers will probably be wrong, but I'll say ninety percent
black yep.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I just need people to.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Recognize that, right and appreciate that and show respect to
the players that came before, but even the players that
are playing today.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Right, right, you can definitely clap for that.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
And show when I when I see things on social media,
so you're talking about like sisterhood, even if I don't
know you, if I see people coming at you wrong
and sideways and talking bad to you, like I'm going
to use my voice. I'm going to use my platform
to say, hold on a minute. One you don't even
know her, so like, let's not let's not do that,
(24:44):
let's not go there. But I want to give you
one example of.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
What I thought sisterhood was ooh, and then it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
And I found out that it that maybe what I
feel towards you is different than what you you feel
towards me, right, And I'm not gonna say any names.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
But.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
I told you all they get real our podcast. It
was probably yeah, it was. It was a year ago.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Someone who I have always considered a friend. I have
nothing but love and respect for her, had just probably
seen her a couple of weeks before, and I go
on social media and all of a sudden, I'm like
reading things of like what happened? Where did this come from?
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And this person had actually posted something on her I
guess YouTube channel from her podcast basically calling me out
on something that wasn't even true, and later came back
and apologized. But my issue with that was I could
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have very easily done the same thing gone to social media.
We could have gone back. For first of all, I
am a grown, sorry ass woman, So if I have
an issue with you, and especially if we're friends, I'm
gonna call you. I'm not gonna go post nothing on
social media. So I saw it people sending it to me,
texting me, girl, did you see what she said?
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I called you.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
If you don't remember, I remember, and I cried. I
cried because I was angry. I cried because I was hurt.
And I said, te do you have so and So's number?
She was like, oh yeah, I got a girl. Why
what's up? And I was like, I don't even want
to talk. I just need the number. I said, but
before you give it to me, make sure she's okay
with me having her number. I got the number. I
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text her and I said, if you have an issue
or a problem with something, I said, as my sister,
why didn't you call me? Why didn't you text me
instead of putting it out on social media? Never mind
the fact that what you put out there was wrong.
Everything was wrong. So we ended up having a conversation.
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We did, and she said, please, I hope you can
forgive me. I'm sorry. She went back and she posted
an apology y'all. But I'm a firm believer in that
apology needs to be as loud as the disrespect was. Yep,
And so all the people that were that came on
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and were like, yay, yay. Somebody says that the tour, well,
this apology was hidden somewhere, so those people didn't even
see it. Nor do I care. But what I cared
about was what you did. Like our friendship, because I
don't even call it a sisterhood anymore, our friendship will
never be the same because it goes back to the
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first word I said, trust. I don't trust you, yep.
And it hurts me to my heart, my core, because
this lady is one that's big on TV, in the
space and even right now. It hurts me, yeah, to
feel this way because like I genuinely yeah, love and
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respect that woman.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
That's that is another part of So let me preface
that by saying this right.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
When we talk about like.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Breakups, friendship breakups, since sisterhood breakups, they hurt too.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
You know what I mean, they hurt too.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
They hurt just like relationship breakups because you, again, you
invest time, you invest yourself, You expose a part of
yourself to someone who you believe is your friend, is
your sister, and when you find out that that person
has broken your trust, broken your loyalty, not been honest
with you, not being real with you, that is not
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something that is easy to get over. And so I
oftentimes have conversation with my friends where I'm like, girl,
I get why that might have hurt your feelings, and
I get why.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
It might not be easy for you.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I had my bridesmaid, myrides, my maid of honor, and
my wedding. She and I are nowhere near. We have
been friends for fifteen years, and my wedding was the
the what's the thing the needle that broke the camel's back?
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah, straw, straw.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
See that's how you know. I ain't from the South forreal.
I don't either.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
I can't even get the Analogy're right, I'm from Detroit.
God here it is.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Anita could probably break this back.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Okay, wait a minute, time out, because Detroit is clearly
in the building.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (29:35):
You feel me?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
You feel me?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Hold on, it's New York in the building. Okay, all right,
all right, all right, all right, y'all see New York.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Y'all see New York, New York showing up. I did
that on purpose. Detroit Knicks fans, all of them. We
ain't talking to none of them folks.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Who was just Hike fifteen.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Minutes ago, acting up in the middle of the show.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I swear to God, you can't say black people.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
No, y'all so fun showing out, y'all saw all them
New Yorkers. We ain't talking to y'all at seven thirty
because the Pistons played the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I don't know, y'all at.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Seven thirty okay, luck, I'm just letting you know I said,
good luck, Oh, thank you. But so when we were
talking about friendship breakups, all them New York is gonna
be mad at me at seven thirty five.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
That's all I'm saying, y'all, not gonna.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Be paging, is not gonna be friendship breakups. We broke
up at seven thirty. Okay, you know I wanna. I
want to go back to what you were saying.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Listen, in all honesty, Sometimes, at least to me, sometimes
a sister or friend breakup, it's harder than oh, I agree,
a partner, boyfriend, girlfriend's significance. I agree, because you know what,
I'm just gonna go find me another partner.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
But I have told you all, look something, some things
that I ain't even told my husband. See what I'm saying, yeap, y'ah.
And to invest the time and energy and all the things,
the peers, all the things yeap, that you and I
have shared for you to do what you did, yep,
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likes that's hard.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Now let me ask you this and this is I love,
We love audience participation. So if you have question, comments,
things you want to get in, please let me know.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
We can definitely get you on.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
That's part of the live podcast experience, so you can
be on the show. Do you think that it is
possible to revive a sisterhood once it has been broken?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Ooh, y'all said no.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
They are a tough crowd. They said no. They said no.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
You know, I I think I want to say no,
but I also think it depends on.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
What happened.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
So example, the situation I was just telling you all
about you and I have talked about this because I
initially you were like, let's bring her on the podcast
so we can have a conversation. And I said, oh no, no, no,
she I did. She don't want that. But just the
other day you say.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
The type of since I am massy, watch you.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
But just the other day, right after some time I
said to you, I said, tee, I think I'm ready, right,
And that doesn't mean ready to like rebuild that sisterhood,
that friendship, but from for my peace of mind and
for me to move forward, I need to have a
conversation with you. So you know, here's what you did.
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Here's how you hurt me. You don't. You don't get
to have that bad face with me anymore. Right Like,
I'm still gonna respect you for what you do and
all the things, but I'm gonna do that from a distance.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
See, I'm on the fence.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I'm on the fence because I think that one of
the one of the things that we do we have
en Sigma is seven misses.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
It's who seven misses?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Seven misses?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
And one of those misses is misunderstanding. Oh okay, And
it's not a good thing, by the way. But sometimes
and I see this on social media a lot, and
every time I see it's like a meme, well one
of those like a meme that people post and they
share all the time, And I absolutely hate it because
to me, it is from my perspective, it is just
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absolutely untrue. But one of the things that I see
that people to share a lot is people know what
they did to you to.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Make you act the way you act. Of course, I
don't believe that. I don't believe that at all.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
No, because there are times that your energy, your spirit
or just being you can cause offense to other people
and now they mad at you, and you don't even
know why they mad. That is true, and they haven't
had the opportunity to come to you and tell you
this is what you did or this is what you said.
They just assume whatever you did or said was done
intentionally and purposefully. So now they walking around for twenty
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years with an attitude with you when really we could
have had a conversation to settle the misunderstanding. That's good
and so I, in full transparency, have been the victim
of that a lot.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
I'm a blunt person.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
You didn't know you could tell. Let me give you this,
no kidding, but I'm a blunt person. I'm very fun,
very transparent.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
I joke around a lot.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
And there are times where one of something that I've
said or done not necessarily done it on purpose. But
I'll give you an example. I came into a room.
Now I'm a Leo.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Any Leo's in the building. Now, y'all know when we
walk in the room, we steal the show.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
It's just what we do. It's just what Leo's do. Right,
we just got that Leo energy. It comes in, it
steals the shout.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Right.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
So I walked into what birthday party? And I said, Hey, everybody,
what's going on? How y'all doing? Where's the birthday girl?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Girl?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
The birthday girl got mad because she felt like I
came to her party and just stole, like stole her
thunder was she your friend?
Speaker 3 (35:38):
She was my friend?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
And I was like, And so what ended up happening
was after this incident, like I would text her, but
she wouldn't text me back, or if she did text
me back, it'd be like a one word answer, or
it was little things. And I was just like, did
I do something to her? Or did I do something?
And I found out many months later that she felt
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like I ruined her birthday because I.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Was overly energetic and overly friendly. And that's just my
natural who I am.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
And you also know that when it comes to me
in birthdays, I didne probably bought you by fad drink.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Yeah, oh you know for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Girl.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
We're gonna tell y'all one day, not today. You want
one day about how I acted on Cheryl's birthday.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
So how she acted on my birthday?
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Okay, I celebrate.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Girl almost had me getting a divorce because you had it.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
You almost not really, y'all.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
But I say all that to say I celebrate other people.
So just like I celebrated you on your day, absolutely
celebrated her on her day, but she felt my energy
and everything was over the top and it took away
from her on her day. And so if I think
about that meme, people know what they did to make
you feel a way. How would I know that you
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felt that way and you didn't, as my friend, come
to me and tell me, talk to me, share that
information with me. At least let me know that I
offended you so that I could apologize, because it's not
my attent. And that's the other thing to me about sisterhood.
When you're wrong, it's cool to be like, since my
bad facts where you're.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Wrong, it's cool to be like, I didn't realize that
it affected you that way. I didn't mean that I apologize.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
I just I think sometimes we use that word sisterhood
to lightly loosely, yeah, because a lot of people don't
really truly understand what not only what it means, but
what comes with it. Yes, if I say to you
like you are my sister, like you are.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
My you are my sister girl, and I'm trying to
make you my sorrow, Oh, I'm.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Conversation but I know that you're going to have my back.
I don't care where i'm at if I'm not in
that room and you're in that room. Oh already know,
like I know it's going to happen. So I had again, dang,
y'all probably like I need to pick better friends, not you. No,
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because I was about to tell this story real quick,
because when you talk about like just saying no, you
say no to a friend, then.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
They say you ain't right, you ain't a friend.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
You know. I can't believe she said no to mean somebody.
The other day, I said, how are you mad at me?
Because I won't spend my money on something for you?
It's my money, So she said to me, she said, yeah,
but you can do it. It ain't even about that, right,
(38:46):
It's not about that. I had a friend say to
me that she couldn't be my friend anymore because we
went two weeks without me texting her. But I reminded her,
I said, if we go through our text exchange, I
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text you once a week every week. I'm the one
that's always reaching out to you. So I intentionally did
text see if you would reach out to me. Yeah.
So my point in that is how like it should
work both ways, right, And if you if you're really
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my friend and you haven't heard from me in two weeks,
you don't, you're not concerned? What what's going on?
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Going on with me?
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Exactly exactly like the old thing that says check on
your strong friends sometimes, yes, because your strong friends struggle
and we go through stuff too.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Yes, yes, but if.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
You're not going to text, text me and check on me,
you have no idea, Yes, what I might be going what.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
I might be going through, exactly exactly, And so as.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
We look, so I said, by and run me my
money back. Yeah, I asked, what you want to do,
just come on running back?
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Well, if you got some extra coins laying around, there's
a vendor room downstairs. I just tell you what I
bought over here that looks the cook whar I'm just
laying There's a vendor room downstairs. I got some nice
stuff in it. But I know we have to start
to wrap up very soon. But I would love to
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just kind of pull the audience a little bit, if
you don't mind, and just see if there are maybe
two or three who don't mind sharing with our audience
what their definition of sisterhood is, or what they would
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describe a sisterhood to be, because we started this by
saying it's different for everyone.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
So do I have one over there? Three?
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Just come up straight?
Speaker 2 (41:01):
She range, Just come on, come on up to the front,
because I can't take the mic down there, so you
got to come up here.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
You got oh see there we go. Hello, Hello, Sure,
I love you.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
My definition of sisterhood is actually being the person that
I expect from myself to you. If you can't be
honest and open with me, tell me what I'm doing wrong,
tell me when I'm doing good, be my cheerleading when
I need it, and even be my mentor and even
my mom at times to say nope, like you do.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Terrika, Rika, she she is a sister. You can't be
my sister.
Speaker 6 (41:38):
I've had too many friends who I call cis and
ended up being the cist that was the snake cysts
because the whole time I'm sitting here and I'm being
the friend and a sister to you, and the whole
time you were actually planning and plotting against me. So
sisterhood is when you can genuinely be yourself and be
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able to tell me bad good, and indifferent and we
could still hook it out at the end.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, that's good, And you hit on something else that
we needn't got time to discuss because I have oftentimes
been that person where I'm like, I would do that,
and therefore I expect you to do that for me
because I would do that for you. But then you
realize that everybody not you, right, so you can't really
do You can't really expect people to give you and
(42:27):
do for you as you would do for them because they're.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Just not you.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Yep, so interesting, hey, sith.
Speaker 5 (42:33):
So for me, sisterhood is about communications, about communicating your love,
and the most important thing about that is grace and empathy.
I think if that's anything that we do, we have
to extend grace to one another and also be truthful.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
And truth isn't about.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
Just because something like I don't like your head like that.
There's ways that you can say something to someone without
hugging their things, but also showing the truth in it,
and that comes down to also.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Being raceful with one another.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
People make mistakes and understanding that your friends aren't going
to be perfect, your sisters aren't always going to be perfect,
but giving them the grace to understand and try and
emphasize with where they are.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
That's good, that's really good. We got one more. I
see the sword right here. Can you meet me at
the stage, sore. Sisterhood for me is the sister that's
gonna pray for me, pray and truth and hold it
in their heart and not share it with anybody else.
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To pray me out of that situation. Now tell me
what to do, but pray me out of it. Thank you,
that's all you need. Oh that's good. That should have
been p r A Y. No, that's good.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Not pr e y.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Okay, we are Hey, we can have church up in here.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
Okay, thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
That was so good. And because I know we're gonna
wrap in a minute. But I was sitting here thinking
about something. So it's a question I'm going to ask you,
and if anybody wants to answer it, sure, if I'm
your sister and you're my sister, like, I only want
the best for you, absolutely in everything, absolutely, So why
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is it that we feel like we always have to
compete with each other?
Speaker 3 (44:34):
I wouldn't know how to answer that because I don't
have that spirit.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
I'm like, listen, I want all the things for you, absolutely,
because I believe what's for you is for you.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
So this actually takes me to the conversation we had
this morning when and we won't get too too political,
when your brother asked you, so, I'm supposed to vote
for Kamala just because I'm black?
Speaker 7 (44:58):
Yes, yes, yes, But I can give you a whole
lot of other reasons why you should, other reasons why
you should, But yes, yes, because.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Number one, as a black woman, I want the best
for you, and I want you to be successful and
to see another black woman sitting in the highest office
in our land.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
How about yes?
Speaker 3 (45:20):
And for nothing else, Yes, that's why I'm vote for you.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
So here's what I told you. It's my baby brother.
But I mean he's forty years old, right, So I
said to him, because he I said, well, if you're
not going to vote for her because she's a black woman,
let me give you a lot of other reasons why
you should. Right anyway, But I said to him, I said,
when you say the things you're saying about her, you're
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saying about me. And I'm your sister for real, So
I am good enough to cook your food, to clean
your house, to wash your clothes, to run your beast
to give you massage, to do all what all the
things that we do, but I ain't good enough to
run the country.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
So he was like, no, no, no, understand about you. But
it is. But it is the only difference is I
mean there are several but she light skin. I'm dark skinned.
But it's a black woman. So when you say the
things that you're saying, I notice a little off topic, y'all,
but I got hot. But when you say the things
that you're saying about Kamala Harris as a who is
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a black woman, I feel this. I feel those things.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
You know, it's not off topic because that is another
level of sisterhood. We have sisterhood here because remembers of
sigmcguame Moreau. We have sisterhood because we are representing in
the sports world and beyond. But there is a sisterhood
among black women. And too often people are doing and
saying things yes this, yes, when there is space and
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love for literally all of us in everything that we're doing.
And you can see how big and bad that sisterhood
really is. Speaking of Kamala when the day her announcement
was made about her campaign, that evening four million dollars
was raised.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
How about that.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
That's how the sisterhood is. That's how we operate as
black women. So there is absolutely a sisterhood among us,
and I think the best way to close is that
we literally have to be diligent and have to be
intentional about how we utilize that sisterhood. We have to
keep each other together and we have to hold each
other accountable. But they don't never need to be a competition. No,
(47:29):
it never needs to be a competition now ever. Ever, ever,
unless there's some money on the line, then maybe.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Maybe it will then become a competition.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Like gonna I'm gonna compete.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
I'm gonna compete.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
That's different, like I'm competing with you, right, cheer for
you, you know what. I'm gonna push you a little bit.
I'm gonna be like tea girl, what you waiting on?
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Yeah? Go get her for sure, Go.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Get your blessing. Go gig go gig yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Okay, So before we get out of here, I want
to first of all say thank you all for allowing
us to have our show.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
We got giveaways.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
We do have a.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Couple more giveaways to give away, and I already know
who I'm gonna get this to Oh do you know
how'mna get this too. I'm giving this to Sora Shakara,
who literally just came up here to speak. And I'm
gonna tell you why, because it is not easy to
get on a microphone. And anytime you ask somebody do
you want to have something to say, y'all know y'all
(48:32):
got something to say, but you always scared to come
to the mic. And so because she was the first
one who was unscared to come to the mic, she's
finna get this.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
One, right. Did you say unscared? There? You did say unscared?
Speaker 3 (48:45):
There you go?
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Well, I feel like I should just give this to somebody.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Then we'll listen.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Okay, I'm gonna keep it. I give it to somebody.
I will give it. I'm gonna give it to you.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Wanna give it to who herd?
Speaker 1 (48:56):
There? Yep?
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Which one in the blue?
Speaker 1 (48:59):
What's your name? Connie Kanya? I know I met you outside, right,
I don't want my glasses on? Yep?
Speaker 3 (49:09):
This is hers.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
I got you.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Now you know she's from the Southeastern region. Why you
were worn?
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Now?
Speaker 3 (49:14):
Wait, we're giving up.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
We're giving out hoodies and all the things.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Oh, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
You then came up to our region and just taking stuff.
We're giving out latives and taxis. I have got a complaint.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
I got a.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Grievance, and no I gotta I gotta grievance. Oh oh,
I didn't point of order. I'm just like, we gonna
get enough of that tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
I'm playing. I'm playing.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
And she talked, she told me right, you know, but
she also told me that she used her I don't
know if it was her first paycheck, but she used
her paycheck to buy a pair of air swoops. She's hid.
Look at that. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
I do.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
Well.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
How we close our show as we again, our show
is levels to this and so if you notice the
opening its surface level.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
The conversation is next level.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
And when we get to the end, we always level
off with a good positive word because no matter what
we talk about on the show, we want you to
leave feeling that there is a promise of hope, of positivity,
of good just good nature after listening and kind of
being on the show with us.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
So what you got for us today, Cheryl?
Speaker 1 (50:47):
Oh, I do have something good? So I know we
just ended Women's Black History Month. We did, but it's
Women's Black History Month for us every day period. So
I felt like this quote was very fitting for this room,
and it says, I am a black woman. Don't look
(51:09):
beyond me, don't see through me. Look me in the eye,
hold my gaze, Listen to my heart, see my soul,
see me for who I am, not what you would
like me to be. Accept or reject, but don't hide
(51:29):
from my truth.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
I love that so much, especially the don't look through me,
don't look beyond me.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Like, see me for who I am.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
Yeah, that is an incredible way to end the show,
and so I want to say thank.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
You to all of you.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
We appreciate you being a part of this podcast experience.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
Feel free to download our show. You can give us
a rating on.
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you really liked and enjoyed our show, we have an
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(52:23):
and so.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
Until next time.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Keep your say one thing you can I know you're closing.
Y'all probably already know this.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
Uh oh, don't you don't you? And Bear, don't you like?
Speaker 1 (52:36):
I love you this this one right here? And she
may not know it.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Don't you do this showyl like she's held.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
Me down a lot and gotten me through some really,
really really dark days just to hear her voice. And
I know no matter she might not answer when I call,
but she gonna text and be like this, I call
you right back like I need. I need you to
know in front of all of our sisters in this room,
(53:17):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
Don't you make me mess.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
I appreciate you for always being you.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
I do.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Thank you, sir.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
I love you that.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
I love you.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Now I'm gonna fight you because when I came a
beat the heck out my face and now you didn't
got She's still here somewhere say got me out here
tearing up. But anyway, thank you all so much. We
appreciate you. We we really do appreciate having this opportunity.
And before I get off the stage, I said I
was gonna make sure to get this on my podcast.
I have to show love to the Spear Foundation. Which
is doing amazing work and it's continuing and as a
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sponsor for this event, and I absolutely have to as
we talked about paying homage, I absolutely have to show
love to our leadership that is sitting in the front
of this room, Madam first and second, Grand Madam, Grand Madison,
Tactis Madam Far Western Tactis, Madam Southwestern Taxis Madam Southeastern
UCC Madam twenty three Send our Jordan's Send Tactis to
(54:20):
pasting Taxtias Preston and passing Taxis Vannable. Thank you all
so much for what you all continue to do.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
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