The Cannabis Conversation

Chelsea is joined in studio by Allison Statter and AnnaRae Grabstein for a conversation about all things cannabis.

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Host: Chelsea Handler

Guests: Allison Statter & AnnaRae Grabstein

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Chelsea Handler. Welcome to Life Will Be the
Death of Me, a production of I Heart Radio. Good Morning, Brandon,
Good morning, Chelsea. Did you sleep over last night? Oh? Okay,
thank you. Hi everybody, It's Thursday. I had a new
documentary come out this week called Hello Privilege, It's Me Chelsea,
which is streaming on Netflix. Brandon, did you watch it?

(00:25):
You have? Well, yes, I've seen multiple iterations of it,
and then I did watch the And what was your
takeaway that we're all inherently privileged? I mean that was
from the beginning of watching the processes that you don't
think of your skin colors providing you something that it does.
What resonates with me the most is the unconscious bias,
the stuff that we grow up with, the stuff that

(00:47):
we are kind of made to believe is true or
this these ideas that are inculcated in our mind, this
system of you know, zero, some game kind of thing
where you have to be doing better than everyone else
around you, and in order to do that, you have
to keep people down. And I think unconscious bias is

(01:08):
something that all of us can relate to because we
are judgmental. Whether we act on it is one thing.
But it's okay to admit that you have stereotypes in
your head about people. That's all right, I believe, because
then you can do begin the process of unfurling those
stereotypes and those judgments against people or you know. I know,
and personally I felt superiority in my life, not to

(01:30):
just people of color, to all people, just because of
my position in life. I've definitely had moments where I
felt superior to someone, you know, and I had to
undress that in a big way, because there is nothing
that is superior about one person over another. You can
see it in the documentary at times too, where it's
uncomfortable to acknowledge those things. And that's why people don't
want to do it. They don't want acknowledge their privilege
or the things that they're provided, or your biased towards

(01:54):
a certain group of people. And until you do it,
until you make yourself uncomfortable, you're not gonna get better.
Like we're not going to get better. Yeah, and I
think people yes, exactly. And if the thing that everybody
says is they don't like to get involved, they don't
want to deal with conflict, like when anything's uncomfortable and
I would argue it is our business to make ourselves uncomfortable.
We owe that to everyone we've discriminated against as a

(02:15):
white culture. We owe that to be uncomfortable, yes, and
to go directly to the source and ask the questions that.
It's so interesting because I see a lot of feedback
on your social media about people saying that you always
put yourself in these uncomfortable positions of no one wants
to sit down and talk about something that is one difficult,
but to that is a poor reflection on a larger

(02:35):
group of people. That all white people have a lot
of work to do to make up for the discrimination,
for the bias that they have over minorities, and you're
willing to do that, and it really I think you
know a lot of people are commenting that they want
to put themselves in those positions as well, because that's
how we're going to progress. Yeah, and it is our ownus.
It is upon white people to deal with this problem.
We cannot place it on people of color to fix

(02:57):
the situation that we created. So I'm really really thrilled
with all the feedback. I will be putting up books
and actionable ways that you can get involved. If you
want to do something, which I hope you do on
my Instagram stories on my social media platforms. And I
want to continue this discussion because obviously I will make
more documentaries and I am just getting started on this
subject matter. So I would love everybody to give me

(03:19):
their feedback because the more you know, the more you
grow brand in right, and now you're growing into something else.
So the documentary wrapped up and you had to put
all of your attention finish the book documentary, and now
the cannabis line. Wow, look at my producer just bringing
it full circle. Brenda. We are just a fine couple,
are dynamic deal, we are Things are really jelling around here.

(03:43):
So we have announcement about my weedline. I guess all
of you guys have been hearing about all the vaping
issues and obviously I am not ever going to put
out a product that I don't feel confident about being
good for my customers and safe. So we are going
back to the drawing board because I don't want any
chemicals in my VA pens. You're very adamant about this.
Of course, I want everyone to understand well because from

(04:04):
this process, we've found other companies may not have the
same ethically, it is very important to take out all
the chemicals like acetate e and poly ethylene glycol and
pollyello lene glycol I probably said that wrong, and vegetable oils.
This is all information you guys don't need to know
about me as starting this brand. I won't do it.

(04:26):
So I am postponing the launch of my weed line,
which was supposed to be in November, just in time
for the holidays. We are shooting for February now, and
that's the reason why. So I just want you to
know that I am working hard on this to make
this as pleasurable but more importantly, as safe as possible
for when my brand launches in February, and when it does,

(04:47):
you'll know about it. So just so f Y, we
recorded this episode a few weeks ago because we had
one of my partners and Array from Norcaw which is
the company I partnered with from my cannabis line, and
my sissy manager partner, her sister, brother, mother, father Sissy. Well,
first Allison, let's just talk about our history. First of all,
Allison is Irving's daughter. Yes, Irving is my nugget. He's

(05:11):
my manager from when I quit E and forgotten everybody.
Irving and Shelley's daughter, right, Shelly is part of the
Los Angeles mafia, and if you run into her, just
watch your back. Irving was my manager when I left E,
and I forgot to tell E that I was leaving,
so I needed a manager to deal with them because
they got pissed at me. I always forget to do
things like that anyway, So he's been my manager since then.

(05:33):
And then Allison can't even join the team. Well, you
did my seven up commercial, we did any endorsement branding
stuff I do with Allison, I started on all the
brand stuff and we had a love affair, and then
we decided that Irving as off is well old and
Allison is young and a newer improved version man and
she likes weed, and as this is Irving. We did

(05:55):
get him stone one we did when we went to
when he had Steely Damn playing there. Yeah, we got
him high once and table he drove the golf cart
into the Remember he went forward in the golf But
we got him stone the other time and he fell
sleep right at the table. That was stupid. But there's
no point in getting him stoned. He's too old to
enjoy it. I like old men though that do want

(06:17):
to get stoned. That's what I'm into. You know, anybody
who doesn't his smoke pot is kind of hard for
me to take seriously or take edibles, like if they're
not down then it's almost like then you're that, screams
to me, uptight, controlling a little, just like not wanting
to lose control. You like people that are open Yeah,
you want to be I mean, yeah, you want to
be open minded, not closed minded. I don't want fixed

(06:40):
opinions about anything, like I'd like to change my mind
all the time, all the time. Thank goodness, Brandon. Now,
and I'm here with Anna Ray who's from NorCal, which
is a company I partnered with from my weed line.
So we're here to discuss cannabis today and my passion
for it and my new cannabis line, which Allison is

(07:00):
in charge for introducing me to nork how so she's
my little nugget manager. Anna, right, can you tell us
what your position is? Who you are? How we met? Sure?
I am the chief compliance officer for nor Cal Cannabis.
That's my partner. Yes, we are partners and at NORC
call Cannabis. What I do is I do public affairs,

(07:22):
so I talk with government officials and elected officials about
the cannabis industry and try to make it so that
the legal framework is something that works for everybody and
that the industry can flourish. I also oversee all of
our licenses, so I make it possible for us to
operate our business and get to make great products that

(07:43):
we can bring to all of you. And I have
been in cannabis for about fifteen years, so I have
really dedicated my whole professional career to this vision of
creating long term, substantive, real opportunities and cannabis for people,
because it really has changed my life in a way

(08:05):
that I haven't been able to get away from it.
It's just cannabis has followed me. It's had a tremendous
impact on my opportunities, on my vision, on my direction,
and it put me through grad school. So what we're
building now with nork Cow is basically the dream realized
of what I've been trying to work on manifesting for

(08:27):
a really long time, and so it's really exciting. The
company is growing. We have tremendous partners like you, Chelsea,
that are a part of what we're doing, and it's
just it feels like there's nothing that we can't do.
And I'd also just like to add, because I work
so closely with the North Cal team, that you guys
have incredible talent that you're bringing in such amazing people,

(08:48):
and I've been just so you know, it's such a
pleasant surprise to see how professional everyone is and how
legit everyone is, and you are bringing over talent from
places like you know, Twitter and Airbnb and like all
of these other categories where people are really smart and
having thriving careers and are leaving those stable categories and

(09:11):
coming into cannabis because it is so real and because
it's becoming it will be legalized nationally sooner than later.
And it's just an awesome learning experience, especially for me
in in what I do on a daily basis. To
meet the team and see the people that you guys
are bringing over to nor Cal. It's been a tremendous

(09:32):
honor too as we've grown the company for people to
want to join us who have never been a part
of the cannabis industry before, and to me, it speaks
a lot about what we have accomplished that people decided
that they were willing to leave behind something that was
more conventional and and try something else. But one of
the things it's also neat about our company is that

(09:54):
we really were founded by people who have been in
this for a long time, and so a core group
of us really are carrying a flag about the heritage
of the cannabis industry and the culture that we've created
in California. And and we look at this dynamic that
we're creating of sort of the root c o g
s and the new people who are coming in from

(10:16):
marketing and tech as as creating a really a dream
team for us to be able to to be able
to stay authentic and humble to where we came from,
but also to be able to take on a lot
of the other big influences that are going to be
coming in and do something that's really impactful. I didn't
know we were supposed to get stoned for this episode.

(10:38):
I was trying to clean out my system because Anna Array,
you told me, or someone from North cal told me,
in order to maintain a level of to maintain like tolerance,
right of solid baseline, thanks, you just need to be
high all the time, and then you can just be
extremely functional. Well, my problem is is that I have

(10:58):
such a high tolerance that that we it is just
going through me like it's not having any impact. So
I needed to take Someone from your team told me
to take either one day a week off of cannabis
or one week quarter one week a quarter, and I
don't know how to divide quarters. So I just started
taking a day a week off, also taking a week off.

(11:18):
But that isn't today, right, No, Well, I just took
a th HC capsule that somebody gave to me at
one of my shows on tour. It's ten milligrams of
th HC and they get you pretty fucked up, Brandon,
Do you want one? No, I'm good, thank you? Okay,
So everyone here is are you stone n Ray? Only
a little? I'm Baseline. Let's talk about cannabis. I love cannabis,

(11:39):
So let's talk about everybody's introduction, because I was reintroduced
to cannabis when it became legal in the state of California.
And what I've discovered is that it's a much nicer
way to go through life. Everybody's a lot less annoying,
Everybody is a little bit more tolerable and I'm able
to sit still. It's helped me meditate, and it's helped
me be less reactive. Brandon, you didn't start using drugs
until you started working for me, Is that correct? That's correct?

(12:02):
Tell us about that. When I started, I wanted to
get on Ambient and you said, no, they're getting on
a sleeping pill was not a good idea, and that
I should just take like a bite of an edible
before bed, and I really did not want to do that.
I like how he talked about getting on Ambient like
he's writing it. It's like, I mean to get on
the incredibly dangerous. Yeah, that's why I advised him against it,
to see, right, she she always knows. So I waited

(12:25):
a few weeks and I was like, I'm not gonna
do it. I'm not gonna do it. And then someone
at work gave me a peach ring and that was
my introduction to it. I just took a little bite
of this candy peat uring before bed, and I'm melted
into my pillows like it was the best feeling in
the world. And I thought, Ambient can't possibly give you
this feeling so well, you also don't remember it when
you take the ambient, Like you take the ambien, you

(12:45):
go to sleep, you wake up and ambience for birds.
It's the worst. I woke up with an empty pot
of spaghetti and the driver's seat of a car naked. No,
I would have my clothes on, but I had my
eyeshades around my neck, and I had an empty pot
of spaghetti in my car in the passenger seat. And
I can't and I don't. Apparently I went for a
drive and I cooked spaghetti, So yeah, I don't keep
post in the house, so I had to get it

(13:08):
to go and then went to a restaurant and cooked it.
Who knows what happened, but all I know is that
was the last time I took ambion. Maybe one more.
Now I've turned people onto it through that same way
that like if people are having a hard time getting
to sleep, because it just puts you in a nice
state before you fall asleep, Like it's not going to
knock you out, but if you're ready to wind down
at the end of the night, just take a little
bite of nettable or blueberry. The keep of blueberries I
really like, and that just puts in a good sleep space.

(13:30):
It is. It's really calming and I think people are
afraid of it. They don't realize how much it can
actually calm your system. I mean, it can also do
the opposite if you don't you know, if you misuse it.
But I feel like now with how it's dozed and
everything about it just is incredibly calming, and I think
people really need to embrace that piece of it. Yeah,
I think everybody. You know, I had a problem with

(13:52):
with sleeping pills. I took them all the time and
my big the biggest thing for me was switching from
sleeping pills to pop to go to sleep. So Anna, right,
what are the biggest complaints you hear, anxiety, sleeping? What
of the reasons people use cannabis. I think that people
like to use cannabis to elevate their consciousness in all

(14:14):
kinds of different ways. And it's just to open up
and to level out and so all the things that
you're talking about about being able to handle life better.
That is absolutely what the average woman, I think is
really looking for. And man and man and gay men
are on the same page about a lot of things.
Oh yeah, one should ban together and men and those

(14:35):
men should just come with us. And then my husband's
on my page. He's not gay, so I don't know
where that puts it, but he's on our page, so
I do. I actually don't think that it's limited to
gay men, like I think that there is no cannabis
is for everyone. That's one of the things that's so
amazing is that it crosses all demographics. When we have

(14:55):
looked into who the cannabis consumer truly is, it really
is everyone. It's not one age, one gender, one race.
It's everybody. And that is something that I can't think
of another product that crosses so many boundaries and can
bring people together, can make people happy when they're alone,
Can heal? Can heal? I mean it basically is as

(15:19):
good for us fiber. Yeah, that's good to know. Avocados, fiber, cannabis, Kale,
okay okale. Everybody loves kale. People can't get enough of
the ship. They moved on to Brussels sprouts. Uh no,
Brussels sprouts are already out. They didn't even stick around
for very long. People already over Brussels spouts. Now it's cauliflower,
So that's true fucking roughage. Anyway, I feel like a

(15:42):
lot of my girlfriends have major anxiety about having an edible.
People have this thing because everyone's been served a bad edible.
Everybody's had been o'deed, you know, and and been in
a corner of a room. In my experience, I was
in Mexico. I watched six of my family members just
pass out in front of me and I sat in
the dark for four hours, So I know a bad
edible those were. That was a chewy chewba and those

(16:02):
were strong, and I like chewy chubas, but not with
my family again, because they're pussies. What do you laughing?
Your sister has a very different version of that story. Really,
I would like to hear it. I mean, she acknowledges
that the one that that the times she does it,
that she doesn't necessarily like love it, but that she's

(16:24):
always happy that she does it, and she always has
fun and laughs and passes out, so she has they're weak.
My family's weak. And all the girls are weak to drugs.
They have a low tolerance and so you give them
an aspirin and everyone you know looks at you sideways,
So fuck them. No, they're good people. Well, I will say,
you know your dosage. When you're in a room with someone,

(16:45):
you can tell me like, when I got you those
th HC pills. Oh sorry, I was that she got
him in Denver, when you got those th HC pills.
And so if these are the ones that you got me,
that's fine to say. I don't know what I'm taking. Yeah,
she can't remember thinking because she's always stoned. But so
I had given her the pills and I'd asked her
how they were she had taken them one day and
she's like, I was off the walls like this is great.

(17:07):
I love this, And she goes, but you can't have one.
You couldn't. You couldn't tolerate it. And I trust that.
I know she works best for me, just like anyone else.
She's like, oh, you know, Mary should not have a
blueberry or so and so should Definitely Mary doesn't like
Mary doesn't like the weed. But most of my friends,
everyone I know now takes edibles almost every I mean
my last night, I was out with my friend's mom
and she was like, bring the blueberries, the ones you're

(17:29):
talking about that everyone loves. What's so amazing is that
now people can find their dose. And so you said
that you got into this a couple of years ago
with legalization. I've been in cannabis for a long time,
and ten years ago there was no such thing as dosing.
And so that's why people have so much fear from

(17:50):
edibles is because everybody has a story of their friend
from high school that made brownies and they were hiding
under a sheet on the couch all night. But now
that you have dosage, because we have a regulated cannabis marketplace,
this is not the same thing. And when you're talking
about a blueberry or an edible, like you can depend

(18:12):
on good products and you can find stuff in the
market that that you even if you're afraid to try
the first time, maybe once you try it, you realize
that it was a good experience and that you can
go back and you can keep having the same experience
because there's like consistency. Well, you know what's interesting about
that is a lot of times when people are reintroduced
to it, they will take something like a blueberry or
a small piece of chocolate and they'll say, like I

(18:34):
had a friend say, well, I don't feel any like,
I don't feel sucked up from this, And I think
the whole point is that's not how you're supposed to
feel any You're not supposed to feel fucked up unless
you want that. You want to feel like you're taking
the edge off standing down the end. Sometimes I do,
really sometimes that's like hiding in my front, you know more, Yeah,

(18:55):
because I'm like, oh god, it's been a day. But
I think just to go back to what you're saying,
and and I think I see it in a really
different perspective as someone who like grew up in Los
Angeles and has been around this culture for a very
long time, and like, you know, for me, I yeah,
I smoked a lot of of pot in college and
coming out of college, and then I did have kids,

(19:15):
and I did sort of take a break from from
it because I did have that fear that you're talking about,
because everything becomes greater when you become a mom, right,
there's so much more to lose. So for me, it
was getting reintroduced. I got reintroduced to it when packs
came out with the vaporizers that you put the actual
flower in the bottom of the vaporiser, and it was

(19:37):
life changing. It to your point, and to your pointinting
doesn't get me fucked up. It genuinely I think makes
me better at everything. In a good way, in a
positive way, in the sense that like I have more patience,
I can communicate better. I you know, I see the
world so much better and a more positive spin. I have,

(19:57):
you know, more clarity all the time. And I they that,
you know, I wish for all of you know, people
that I care about it, that are in anyone that
they can embrace it like that, because if people keep
having the stigma around it. And that's why I'm so
excited for you to do this brand, because I think
that people trust you and I think that you have

(20:19):
such You've done not on purpose, but but you have
done your research because because it has impacted your life
so positively that the authenticity that you bring to it
in the conversation that you can bring to it, that
you can get people to trust you that it's actually
going to benefit them in the long run, is like
really awesome. So I'm super excited, you know, to be

(20:40):
able to to watch that come into the marketplace and
hopefully help other people. Yeah, and I think there are
different reasons for everybody, you know, Like you're saying, like
there is a time you know that t HC Caps
Like I was out to lunch with my friend she
was going through a hard time. We're sitting there and
it hit me two hours after I had taken it.
So I was, you know, driving along with my driver, Billy,

(21:00):
and he drops me off at lunch, and so I
was fine when I got there, and then halfway through,
she's pouring her heart out to me, and I was
stoned out of my mind, and I was this was
just this weekend, and I was like uh. And finally
she stopped. I was like, I just gotta tell you,
I'm super high right now. It just hit me. I
took a capsule about three hours ago. I can hear you.
I just want you to know I don't know where
this is going. And then I was able to enjoy

(21:22):
myself because I knew the pressure was off. I didn't
have to drive anywhere, you know what I mean. I
was in a situation where I could be okay, space,
safe space. But it's all about that is what it's
all about. Like I think you have to have like
a mantra for yourself when you're getting stoned. A I'm
not going to be a fucking pig, and B I'm
in a safe space like set an intention. You know

(21:42):
how they talk about when you meditate and all of
that stuff. You know, you can just say, I'm going
to have a great time. And if you want to
try something out for the first time, do it at
your house where you're relaxed with people that you feel
safe with, and just try a half of whatever you
really want to try and see how it affects you.
And then the next night you can have a whole
one if you liked it, or you can never do
it again. But I think it's a really important to

(22:04):
impress upon people to really, this is helpful to you,
and it's out there and it's ready for you to grab.
The truth is there for you to grab. They write
that down, grab the Okay, we're gonna take a quick
break and we'll be right back. There's this idea of
self titration. What that means is is being able to

(22:29):
self dose yourself. And one of the things that I
really like about um like vape pens or smoking flowers,
is that you feel it immediately, so you don't have
to wait two hours, like you did it lunch and
like find yourself in some awkward spot you can try
it and then you can decide to take another hit
or take another hit after that because you feel it

(22:51):
right away. And I think that's a really good entry
point if someone feels comfortable with the vape and and
going through that process of inhaling something. And I know
some people well don't and they want to eat, which
is cool, But I like to be able to feel
it right away, so then I can make the choice
of like do I want to go deeper? Do I
want to go one more time? Or am I good?
And then you can just be like cool, I'm good.

(23:12):
And also it doesn't last as long when you take
a hit of a weed off a vape. It's like
thirty minutes, right, What is the time for that? Is
there a time? No? I mean everyone is different, you know,
like how much coffee you had and how much food
you ate and how much you're sweating all those things.
It's like moving through your system. I don't know. For me,
I think thirty minutes sounds about right. But that's also

(23:32):
why edibles can be unpredictable for a lot of people,
is because it depends on what you've eaten kind of
what do you have going on, and so it can
be delayed or can hit you right away and fade faster,
or you end up taking two because you're like, well,
I haven't felt that yet, so I'll take another. That's
the mystery part of it, though. If you can get
over that fear and just do it, that process in
and of itself is good for you. Well, I think
that's the thing. Everybody has this like fearful nature about

(23:55):
if they're resistant to marijuana. Some people aren't. Some people
are like, yeah, let's go full throttle. Some people are
very fearful, and that fear will drag into your pot
experience unless you release it and say, I'm not going
to be fearful right now, this is fun. I'm at
the beach. I can take a five milligram and handle
it myself. I'm not going to die, and it's just
going to improve your beach experience. And you yeah, right,
And who knows. Maybe the thing that I find to

(24:16):
be always a conversation starter when it comes to cannabis
and I met, you know, dinners with friends or with couples,
is I watch my friends drink after drink after drink,
and I'll have one to their like three. And it's
because i've you know, either gotten stoned before I got
there or gotten stoned while I was there or whatever

(24:37):
it is. They wake up feeling like ship. When they're drunk,
it's not as cool. You say some stuff you probably
wouldn't say when you were stoned, Like it's not like, well,
when you're stone, you can't remember what you were going
to say, so it works out perfectly. Well, that's just
an isolation to me and you. That's our special time
to gets that's our special plus plus time. We'll be

(24:58):
like in deep conversations since will just be talking. I'll
look at her and be like, what are we talking about?
And then I'll be like, I can't remember, I don't know,
and then usually she peas. At some point I stopped paying,
but she continues to be She paid on my hotel
room floor in some city on my first weekend at tour.
She ped she we were laughing so hard in my
hotel room. We were just mother having three kids and

(25:23):
and and having Chelsea make you laugh way too hard. Anyway,
we were face timing with her husband, and then she
dropped tround fell on the floor and I looked out
from the bathroom. I was like, what the fund is
going on out there? And she's on the floor with
her ass out, just urinating I mean, it was really
just a low point. I could get my pants off

(25:46):
hung up. He's like, see later, girls, He's like, yeah,
it looks like a work trip over there. Boon doggles
what we call that. And let's talk about because we
came up to Santa Rosa, where your headquarters are located,
because we've been coming and brainstorming and getting my brand together,
which is we're going to announce whenever we can, once
we get our name trademarked. And you had like a

(26:07):
party for us, which was so lovely, and you had
CBD drinks, which for me, you know, I've been pivoting
to cannabis rather than alcohol. I went through a phase
where I realized I didn't have to do both at
the same time, and then I just veered towards the cannabis.
It was a perfect party for me because you had
the cannabis drinks, so you were getting stoned while you

(26:29):
were drinking, which is genius and that's what everyone's going
to start doing in no time. But since you've seen
firsthand me change my drinking, right, you've seen me when
I was well, tell us about that for people out
there who are like me. No, yeah, I mean when
I first met you, you were a heavy drinker. I
think that you and and that's what I love so
much about you is that you're so open and vocal,

(26:51):
like you don't you don't care what people think. You
just want to share who you are and all those things.
And you did that with liquor to like you would
be like I love my vodka and I'm gonna drink
vodka and it gets me drunk and I love it
and boom, that's that. And then when you kind of
transition into this cannabis again, it was it was it
was organic for you. It wasn't like you consciously were like,

(27:12):
I'm going to switch to cannabis. It was kind of
that perfect storm for you with cannabis and with therapy
and with meditation, and they all played into each other.
And because you were getting so much fulfillment from that
piece of your life, like the liquor became less and
less and less unintentionally and yeah, you still have a
drink here and there, but it's like me, I'm I'm

(27:35):
one to three compared to some of my girlfriends or
you know, anyone. And I think that it it has
had a massively positive impact on you. And I've noticed
just how I mean, I know you're gonna laugh at me,
but you're just softer because of it. I think you're
softer partially because of the cannabis, but I think you're

(27:55):
you're softer because you don't drink, so you're not like
feeling shitty, right, like, you don't physically feel shitty. Well,
be the best part is everyone saying, oh, wow, you
look so great, and you you start to drop weight,
and then that becomes addictive. So it's just vanity. I
like to look good like, and as you age, you
have to be careful with alcohol and then what it
does to your skin and bloating. Yeah, but you didn't

(28:16):
even realize that until you stop drinking. Everyone who drinks
every day that they're not a victim of that, until
you stop drinking, and you're like, oh, oh, I'm thin,
it could be it could be so much easier. I
don't know. I don't have that. I don't drink a
lot and I'm not so if you could figure that
piece out for me, that'd be great. But yeah, I
I think that the transition that you've got, that you've

(28:39):
had from being a heavy, heavy drinker into now you
know a casual social drinker has been a really positive
thing for you and and just your whole being. So
you can make amazing cocktails with cannabis, yeah, and you
can put alcohol in them, but you can also skip
the alcohol. And when when you came and we the party,

(29:00):
we were doing like cucumberment juice with tincture in it,
and some people were putting tequila in it with the
tincture and some work that. I think I did that,
But you know, I think that alcohol and cannabis in
one beautiful cocktail together is like the very best time.
That's all. That's amazing. But also if you are going

(29:24):
down the health path, it's like the idea of still
getting to have a delicious, luxurious drink with your ladies,
like we all want that, and if you can put
a health elixir in it, when that is maybe going
to like lift you a little bit but also be
good for you. Well that's the thing. It's socially too.
I'm so much better like I used to be. I

(29:44):
used to walk into social environments, whether it was for
personal or professional, and I would just get like this
and be like, oh my god, I don't you know.
I would stumble and I wouldn't, you know what I
want to do it. And now it's like I'm like, oh,
I have to go to that work dinner. I'm gonna
eat a blueberry before and literally I could talk to
any stranger in the room, but like actually of a

(30:07):
conversation and not like oh she's stoned out of her mind,
like having real conversations that lead to work and like
great things. So it's just it also really helps that.
I think it definitely gets my creative juice is flowing.
If you just leave things alone and go about your days,
like I get more creative and I get more bursts
of like creative flows when I when I'm a little

(30:28):
bit stoned to you know, and even if you do
get stoned to be creative, like people do that a lot.
I haven't really done that, but I definitely polished up
my book and like touched it up and punched it up.
When I was stoned. I'd always taken edible and go okay,
right an, I know, last summer for a couple of
weeks and did a lot of writing, and like I
would have an edible and run off into the lake

(30:49):
for two hours and come back with a book chapter. Yeah,
because I was writing in the water, like she just described,
I went off with a book and on the beach
in the water and my typewriter, my desk top. Because
so for mothers out there who were talking about we're
talking about this, mothers who have to drive their kids
around all day, you know what I mean, people who
want to get a bit of understanding of you know,

(31:10):
what it's like to your mom. I am, And how
many kids do you have? I have one? Yeah, I
have I have a girl and a boy at home. Yeah,
I have three boys who are currently four and a half,
seven and nine. So for me, it also really helped
with my patients, Like after I had my third son,

(31:31):
I mean, it was the fucking nightmare. I mean, who
knew what type of day it was? Who knew who
was witch kid? Who knew who had like a diaper
on and didn't? It was? It was madness, and it's
just escalated into more madness. It's beautiful madness, but it's
madness at all times. It's it's a Calgon commercial, is

(31:52):
what it is. And you know, for me, it made
me such a better mom, Like it really, I know
that sounds crazy, you guys. I know my friends laugh
at me. I have some that can completely relate and
they're like I get it. I totally get it. And
then I have some who like just laugh at me
and think I'm I've lost my mind. But at the

(32:14):
end of the day, like I have more patience. I
enjoy the time with them so much more, Like they
could all be running around naked, peeing on floors and
with their mom paying and then I'll start people and
it's all good, Like I'm just able to figure it out,
even if I have to get angry, Like you're gonna

(32:36):
get angry when that pete turns into defecation and all
of you guys are shifting in the house, and that's
when you're going to really never going to happen find
your grows. You're literally if that happens that then you
need to take the cannabis away. Like if I ever
become okay with that, that's when we need like a
cannabis in a venetion like this is not acceptable that
I would like to point out a recurring theme in

(32:56):
these podcast episodes, which a ship. I noticed that when
I list to the Yeah, yeah, I know, it's just
something that happens, and you know what I'm not imposed
to talking about ship because everybody deals with it. So happens.
I was hanging out with four of my closest friends
over the weekend. We had moms spa day on Saturday.
It was amazing time. But all of these women, none

(33:19):
of them work in cannabis, and they're all moms, and
they all were just telling me how cannabis has become
this like key cooping mechanism for their fienthood. And I'm
not somebody that was like a before and after because
I've always had cannabis in my life. So it's hard
for me to be like, oh, life was terrible before
and then I found it. I've just been maintaining. Yeah,

(33:42):
I guess I'm kind of an o G. But my
girlfriends aren't that way. And they were all just like
gushing to me about how much better they are at
surviving their lives and their careers, which are there, every
single one of these women. They're all the breadwinners in
their households, their moms, their executives. They're badasses and they
all love we. Yeah, and so it's like, yes, there's

(34:02):
tons of new consumers and new women consumers that are coming,
but I think also, a lot of women just need
to be like, hey, let's come out of the closet
and admit that we're all into this, Like that's what's
so sad is that we have that they're like, has
to be an admission to it. Well, that's why we're
doing this, though, because I want to empower and embolden
women to be proud of their cannabis usage. And so, like,

(34:25):
I think there is a difference though, there's a degree
of like problem. They don't have a problem being like
I'm going to drink a bottle of wine when I
because wine is legal because we've been conditioning alcoholic I know,
I know, but people need to warm up to the idea.
And that's what that's why we're doing. And my kids school,
to go back to your question, and my kids school,
you they do this thing called party book and so

(34:46):
Mom's host all the you know, and you go in
and you sign up and you pay however much it
is for a ticket, and then the mom's host it whatever.
People different, there's different books. So there's tons of wine nights,
like like tons of them for mom wine nights, and
I'm like, let's do a mom cannabis night and They're like,
you're not allowed, and I'm like, huh, yes, you are.
Just just do it. But that's why I'm not a mom,

(35:10):
because I would have started that a long time ago
with my little bit. You've got to be respectful. But
there will be a day that it will be legal,
I understand, or that it will be accepted. I understand
that it's still so new and people are still like
trying to grasp it. Well. So I grew up in
the eighties and nineties in San Francisco, and it was
this huge movement about normalizing gayness right, and people kept

(35:31):
talking about there was the time that everyone was coming
out of the closet, and that everyone said that the
thing that normalized gayness the best is when the person
that works next to you in a cubicle turns to
you and says, hey, you might not know, but I'm gay.
And they're like, oh, but you like coffee and sandwiches
just like me, and and it's like this complete normalizing

(35:52):
of like, oh, this person that I relate to or
that I sit next to at my cubicle is actually
different and is of a It does something that I
didn't realize was something that was normal for me, And
in some ways, I think Chelsea, what you're doing with
cannabis is similar. You are loudly coming out of the
closet and there's all these people that listen to you

(36:15):
and read your books, and they're like, oh, well, she's
someone that I see myself in and I relate to her,
and she's into cannabis, So maybe cannabis is normal after all.
So I think a lot about the time that we
are in in the cannabis evolution, and the story of
the plant is about coming out time, kind of like
the eighties and nineties, like an analogy. Yeah, I like

(36:36):
coming out. I like that. That's a good way to
say it. Everybody needs to come out, come out for cannabis.
Let's talk about though, because there's a difference between escapism
and coping. Like coping is a one way, you know,
one thing that people need to do. And then there's
when you do, like you when you asked to see
when you and I do want to get blotted, there's
you know, we ramp it up and we go smoke

(36:56):
a joint, you know, and and sit outside underneath the stars,
caressing each other on the belower back, the small of
our backs. But that's escapism. Coping with the situation is
like a situation where I have to go into a
meeting that I know I'm going to be bored at
that I take a blueberry or I take a hit
of my babe, so just so that I am a
little bit more patient with how long things take and

(37:17):
how long people seem to talk. That's like motherhood. Think
about that, right, which is why I'm not cut out
for it, and which is why I opted out, and
not too late, thank you. That would be one hell
of a baby that I would take to full term.
And then there's also just kind of the people who
suffer from social anxiety. And what I wanted to piggyback
on what you were saying was I've never had social anxiety,

(37:39):
but I went through a period of time where I
was anxious going like I was gone for a year
and I came back and I just started going to
all these events with friends to catch up with people.
And I remember having social anxiety at that point because
I had been removed from my like circle for so long,
and I remember going to all these events and being like,
oh my god, I feel nervous, like I feel like antsy,
and it is to that you just you don't feel

(38:01):
the need to make small talk as as grossly as
you do when you're stoned, you know what I mean.
You're okay with the silence. You're okay with talking to
somebody and not drilling them with questions because you're nervous
about silence. You're able to sit with strangers and have normal,
calm conversations for from weed, I think, and it with
the social anxiety part of it, I think it helps

(38:23):
people not be in their heads so much. What do
I say, what do I do? Where do I talk to?
Where do I sit? It's just also a lot more
digestible to be on the receiving end of it as well,
like you have you want to think of it from
both sides, right. It's funny you just said that because
I literally just wrote down small talk I said. Did
my mom the other day? She was like, are you
gonna come with me to this thing? And I was

(38:44):
just like, no, I'm not. And She's like why, and
I was like, well, two reasons. You know. One, I
already have something I can't get out of, and two
is like I've just kind of evaluated the fact that
we all live such busy lives and they're all just
getting busier, right like everything, whether it's work, whether it's
being a mom, whether it's friendships that you have to maintain,

(39:05):
you know, anything. And so I have very little free
time to myself, like to my actual self, right like
between my job and my husband and my kids and
my family and everything wants to have sex with her
all the time. Anyway, this is about cannabis, not sex.
We can talk about sex on a different episode if
you want. But my point is is that my I
literally had this realization where I was just like, my

(39:28):
time is so limited, so I want to make sure
that I'm doing things with people that make me feel
good and people that I actually want to talk to,
because it is so it's becoming harder and harder to
go to stuff and actually have conversations with people who
who are lovely people and who I like and who
are wonderful. But the small talk where they're just basically

(39:49):
talking to me about my Instagram feed and they're like, oh,
I saw that you went on this vacation. How was that?
And you know, I see this and da da dah,
and it's just like gosh, you know, I know everyone's
coming from a good place, but it's it's hard. And
so when you have when you're stoned and you're in
those situations, you just embrace those conversations. Yes, that's what
just Yeah, you just embrace them and then you actually

(40:10):
get more out of them and you enjoy them more.
And so I guess whoever is listening anytime me, just know,
I'm really Stone. The world is a crazy place, but
I'm enjoying our conversation. Simona and I were up at
that Wisdom two point o conference that I did with
my psychiatrist a few months ago in San Francisco, and

(40:32):
we went to the dinner because my guy was like,
Dan said, come to the dinner. There's gonna be a
lot of you know, all of the speakers are going
to be there, and I was speaking. So I went
to the dinner and right before we walked in, Simona
and I popped an edible and and then we split up.
And then when I saw her at the end, I
was like, oh, I saw her like two hours later.
I was like, oh, hey, let's go. I'm done, and
she was like, I'm really Stone, and I was like,

(40:54):
that's so funny. I was looking for you because I'm
not stoned at all. Again, another indicator that my tolerance
has gotten too high. But we when we left, I
mean the way that it affects you different. I mean,
but it was a perfect buzz because I'm really still
not having a great time. Let's go out. You know,
it makes you want to be social, whereas sometimes you
some people revert, they want to be stone and go

(41:14):
home and be alone. That's good, but there's a social
aspect to marijuana too, and there's strains that actually kind
of trigger being social. And I want to talk to
you about the NAIRA, about the th HC. You're being
very quiet, Brandon. You have to you have stomach cramps
or something. No, are we on our period? We are, okay,
we we're on the same cycle. We've linked up. Um well,

(41:39):
I have a question for anyone who's listening, because again
I'm a relatively new user, but I think that CBD
has kind of been a good gateway for a lot
of people getting into th HC. That it's like a
you know, a touch point like, oh, well, I'm drinking
this CBD water and then they get introduced to the
t HC aspect. So for anyone listening, who doesn't know
the difference between those, n Ray, can you tell them
what what the differences are? Sure, I'll certainly try. So.

(42:02):
The idea is that there are a whole lot of
cannabinoids in the cannabis plant, in the flower, which is
what we make all the products out of, and we've
heard of th HC and CBD. Those are the carnabinoids
that are some of the most prevalent and popular. There's
over a hundred carnabinoids in in cannabis, but t h
C is the one that gets you really high. When

(42:25):
you say really high, you mean like changes your mental state. Yeah,
you know, like I want to be careful of because
I'm not a doctor or a science doctor. Chelsea is
the doctor. And people because I work in cannabis, they
love to ask me what they should be doing to
make them feel better. And I mean, I think cannabis
is the solution for everything. But I am not a doctor,

(42:46):
so I should say that I would also a doctor.
But but so you know, when the psychoactive experience that
you have when you consume cannabis often comes from t HC,
but then there's other things that might be affecting your
body from the other cannabinoids that you don't feel but

(43:07):
that are positive, and CBD is one of the cannabinoids
that can provide someone lots of positive benefits that they
may or may not feel. So CBD is anti inflammatory
and it really helps people that have pain often and
sometimes people that have sleeping problems to talk about using
CBD is something that just helps them to relax. But

(43:29):
you know, if I have a cocktail that I put
CBD in, I don't feel anything from it at all. Yeah. Zero,
And it's just because we're active cannabis. No, it's because
CBD does not have any psychoactive effects that come as
a result of it. You know, you've got to think
about it and that it's really hard to separate one

(43:51):
cannabinoid from the other. So usually when you get a product,
it might be high in CBD, but it still has
some THHD in it, and so you're going to get
high from the t HC, get that feeling that CBD though,
activates the th HC, right, Maybe I'm not sure. Oh,
I thought I heard that at one of our meetings.
I think I've heard that. Yeah, we'll check on that. Yeah,

(44:11):
but and then the th HC, So why why it's
hard to isolate a strain. For instance, the t H
t V is the strain that I'm drawn to because
it suppresses your appetite and it's kind of like pot's
answer to adderall. That's how I would describe it. And
it works for me. It decreases my appetite, but it's
hard to get it alone. You have to mix it
with other things to activate it. Correct. Yeah, because it
comes from a plant, right, and so it isn't actually

(44:32):
a stream. There's many different streams that might have t
h c V in it. But that plant that has
t h c V in it is also going to
have th hc it's going to have CBD, it's going
to have cv G and CBN and all these other
letters that are all of the CG. Do you know
what CBG is? Um it is another cannabinoid. I'm not
great game for a band. Nice. Yeah, I'm not sure

(44:55):
exactly what the effects are. That's one of the things.
You know. Cannabis is so new. They're are so many
studies that have yet to be done. And that's why
everybody should wait in carefully, right, Like everyone should come
in now that you have a micro dosing possibility. I
know this isn't available everywhere in the country yet, but
it will be because everyone's realizing now that there's no

(45:16):
turning back and Republicans can even make money from this.
But you can just enter the marketplace. I mean, there
are mints available like where where we live for two
and a half milligrams, those Petri mints, which are great
especially for skiing. Right Brandon, we skied together on those.
Because you're not fucked up, but you're it's a little
bit of an uptick for me, especially if you're in
an environment, if you're outdoors, it's whatever you make. It

(45:38):
is what I would. It was what how I feel
about cannabis, Like if I want to go to bed,
then I'm in that mindset to go to bed. I
don't rely so much on the indica versus sativa. I
find that to be kind of misleading. Is absolutely well,
I think. So there are a lot of what we're
talking about. There are a lot of words associated with
cannabis that people might not know or might have been
given misdirection on. So to Chelsea's points, sitiva indica, Uh,

(46:00):
those are two different strains that people often look at,
Like on the packaging for unedible or whatever that is
supposed to give them an indication of the feeling that
they'll get, but that's not often the case. Yeah, and
so they're not really straight warning there their type of
their type of plants, right, their categories, their families, um
and and so yeah, they don't give you the effects

(46:21):
that people think. People think, oh, Indica couch locks Ativa upper.
It's just not like that. But like when we were
a standard, for instance, I would take it. I would
take a Petra, he would take one the two and
a half milligrams and you're up. It's like you're you
feel upbeat, you're happy, you have more energy because you're
surrounded by the mountains, and that's the vibe that you're
going to get, you know, lean into. I think to
your point is that if you're already in that mindset

(46:42):
where we wanted to be out skiing, we were already
having a good time, it just elevated using enhanced But
that's what cannabis does period across the board, right, So
whatever state, it's just it's like when I gave Chunk
a sleeping pill on his flight to Spain and he
was in a state of agitation. I later found out,
So he was in a constant state of agitation. Excuse me, Brandon,
he was okay, he was in a constant state of

(47:03):
agitation after I gave him the pill. So you know
that didn't work out for him. So if you're in
a bad mood and you take part, it's probably just
going to be more bad on bad. You know what
I mean? You should know. No, I don't agree with that.
I'll be in a bad mood. I'll be like I
just got to get stoned stressed and then I'm happy.
You know that that, Like even even when was it
the other day I was like, Oh, I have a

(47:24):
really bad headache and I'm just grumpy. I'm gonna smoke
a joint and find it turned me around and like
it turned my day around Canada. So if you if
you're agucated about something with the kids or with work,
or you're stressed, it really does just take the edge off.
It kind of puts you back to center and you
can deal with a lot of you with kids, Brandon, well,

(47:45):
I like, wow, But Chelsea, you know, with with the products,
I think that all these questions you have are the
same kind of questions that everyone has. People are confused
about cannabinoids and people are talking I was pronouncing cannabinoids.
Is that wrong? Is are you saying it the right way?
I don't know. I think I'm saying it the right way,
but someone else probably thinks I'm saying it the wrong way.

(48:07):
So okay, So either way, I'm not judging you, hopefully
you're not. I'm judging myself actually, which is where I'd
like to stay. Well. Another important part of not to
go back to your brand, but something that I've really
enjoyed getting see the brand be built is your emphasis
on education for people who are getting reintroduced, because, like
you said, a lot of people have a bad experience

(48:29):
early on and then they don't know how to get
back into it or you know, they're hearing inaccurate information,
and so that's something that's been at the forefront for you.
Is anyone who is interested in getting back into it,
the packaging, the way things are described, giving them an
accurate representation to help them reintroduce themselves in a way
that they're not going to turn on it again. Yeah,
you want to feel safe. I want people to feel safe.

(48:51):
I don't want people to feel scared, because it's just Okay,
well this sounds like a good time to take a break.
And what's so cool is how actively involved you are
in putting the product vision together. Um, this is not
a celebrity endorsement. This is you spending an enormous amount
of time with our team trying to figure out exactly

(49:12):
what we want to launch together. It's authentic, which has
been a really fun process to get to be a
part of. Yeah, it has been really fun. It's been
fun to take because like Allison said, you know with
the therapy, with the pot, with all of it kind
of works together. The meditation. I mean you don't really meditate, Allison, right,
I don't, you know, But I mean Brandon just started medicaate.
We will do a couple's meditation later, Brandon, because that's

(49:36):
the whole day. But I think all of it goes together.
Like even Dan, my psychiatrist, is like, I just love
you on the pot. It's softer. It's just I have
to be honest. I love you on the plant. Mary
says it to and Mary always tells the truth. I
could tell there was like the past a few weeks ago,
you weren't on the pot as much, and it was
there was a visible difference, right, Brandon. Yeah, when she
had she had to take a little break because of

(49:56):
her cough. Oh yeah, I got sick and so I
couldn't smoke anymore and like, okay, what's going on? Yeah,
I was irritable. That's not good either. I have to
be able to This is what Dan tells me. He says, Chelsea,
if you can maintain that level of happiness and contentment
when you're stoned, it's already in your psyche, so you
should be able to access that on any day without
the pot. And what I want to say to Dan

(50:17):
is I'm not there yet, but you're working towards it,
and you will get there. You will maybe people like me,
you're Brandon, need to remind you when you're not on
the pot and you're starting to not show those signs
that you need to. I'll shoot you a text. You
can handle that. You shoot me a text, all Mark,
you shoot me the text, and that way we can

(50:38):
just do it an errand when that happen. But the
other morning we were at the house, Nor consent all
the samples, and there were I don't know how many,
like five pens. Now now there were fifty. I'm picking
the flavors right now for everybody. So I'm picking the
flavors that I think, well, I want to pick the
flavors that I like first and foremost, so that whatever
you know applies to one person applies to many. But

(50:58):
we're going to do a limited so I have to
like nail down the real flavors I like. And so
there's a lot of contenders with all these flavors that
you were testing. We were sitting at the counter and
they sent us a bracket to narrow down what her
top picks were. Well, so this is nine in the morning,
We're sitting here and we're going through. We're going through
the bracket, tasting all the flavors, and we spent the
entire day together. We went to the lunch, when we
hung out in the afternoon. It was Brandon's favorite day.

(51:20):
It was the best day. I'm like, this is how
every day should be. If everyone just woke up and cannabis.
I said, I go, I have a full day, but
I have no other time to taste all these pens
and to do the flavors. I'm like, I'm just gonna
have to get stoned right now. And sure enough turned
into a great victory that day, I got it. I
love those days. Yeah, so I'm gonna have one of
those today. Yeah. It's hard to judge products all at
once because you can't tell how they individually affect you.

(51:44):
Last month, I was a judge for the High Times
Cup and I received twenty one Graham samples of flour
and I was supposed to say which one was the
most delicious or which one was the most effective. And
after about three it's kind of hard to They're all
they're all so effective. So how did you space it

(52:08):
out throughout the day so that you could tell the
different Well, this was just a flavor test. The only
tested for flavor, and so this wasn't a high test,
so I could just do it back to back to
back to back. But she got very high. Just to clarify, well,
I will say the day before it was when we
had the meeting with the North cal team and when
they brought those down and you and I had and
it was an end of day meeting, but I had

(52:28):
somewhere to be after. I did not know you did
not our meetings have turned into And she was like,
just try this flavor, and just try this flavor. I'm like,
oh gosh, but it ended up working out great. I'm
really into jelly ranchers, you know. I love green apple
and I love blue raspberry, like all those fake flavors,
but they taste so not for me. Now, i know
that's not for everybody, So I've got to get away

(52:49):
from my saclin. It's hard when you're designing a product too,
to get away from like, we're also self centered in
our lives. Yeah, that what I like is the very
best thing right now everyone's like it, and I'm sure
you're probably going through that as well, of what's the
difference between the thing that I like and what everyone
else will like the best. I'll say the samples were
the one thing though that normally I can pick out

(53:09):
what she would like based on her history, and a
lot of the flavors she picked I was surprised by.
I think more people will enjoy them than just what
she would gravitate towards. So I think that says a
lot to cannabis doesn't always translate to like your your
other tastes or your other preferences, because it is a
different experience like smoking something or you know, having a
nibble of something is a lot different than gorging. Yeah,

(53:31):
and I also don't like. I mean, I'm moving away
from I love the edibles. That's where I started. That
was my entry point. Now I'm moving into the vapens.
But I get a little wheezy when I smoke. I
think I might have emphysema or on set something. I
don't know. Last night I was in bed breathing funny,
So I don't want to make sounds when I breathe.
I'm just like, I'm not ready for that. Sissy smokes
a lot of the joints, and I don't smoke joints yet, right, Brandon,

(53:52):
you're not there yet, still flowering. I don't like the
process of smoking. I don't I don't like the process.
I don't like the ashtra. I don't like. I'm never
going to finish a whole joint, so I'm going to
put it out and then leave it there and then
what I have to cover it. Well, that's why we're
creating sustainable packaging for your brand, so that there's somewhere
to put it right. You can put it inside of

(54:13):
yourself if you want to, but that also is not
medically recommended. I don't know. I I just it's not
even about the task for me, it's just more about
the product. It's not that I don't like the apens.
I do. I'll use them when needed, you know. But
like if I'm in an environment where I'm like, oh,
I need to get a little bit more stoned, I'll
smoke on a eapen because that's what is there. But

(54:34):
if I can always smoke a joint, I do just
because I prefer the product, and I prefer the flour,
and I prefer the high. It also keeps you stoned
for longer. The joint keep you stoned for It just
depends on how much of the joint you smoke and
what you know if it's a strong flower, mild flower
an hour right. And there's something old school and about

(54:59):
the act of sharing a joint with someone because before
when we would get stoned when it was illegal, And
everyone's smoked pot at some point, and if you haven't,
then I don't know what your problem is. But like
the last time I smoked, I was living in l A,
I was living in Santa Monica. I got really, you know,
you don't know what you're smoking, so you don't know
what it's laced with or what kind of weed it is,
and usually it was fine, but you'd always get some

(55:19):
stuff that was really shitty, you know, or taste like
parsley or whatever they did in high school. And I
remember driving home from Santa Monica. I was as a
kite to thirty in the morning, so paranoid, so paranoid,
and driving on that street California that runs parallel to
Wilshare and just being convinced that a police officer was
behind me, and I was like, going from street to street,
I'm like, oh my god, Oh my god, and you know,

(55:40):
you know that paranoia grip is so scary, and you're
just like, I'm such a loser. I pulled over to
the side of the road on like twenty third Street,
got out of my car, hid in a bush for
four hours because I was waiting for the cops to
pass me for four hours. And I was like, you
know what, this is no way to live. I was
twenty two waitressing and it was just a typical knighte
for me to be sleeping in the bushes and away.
But like I at that point, I was like, no,

(56:02):
I'm not doing this. On my neck hurts because I'm
so fucking stressed from like looking at like a crackhead.
But a lot of people talk about their paranoia and
their level of paranoia when they smoke weeds. So let's
discuss that and how to avoid it. Yeah, because that
also is coming from a fearful place. It is, And
I'll still sometimes get paranoia. Like I I called you
not that long ago and I was like, oh my god, Cissy,

(56:22):
I got way too stone tonight, remember, And You're like,
don't get in your head. You're fine, Like I think
that you know that's gonna I don't know. Yanna Ray
can speak more to maybe the science behind why that
happens too, you know, with cannabis. But what I always
tell myself and I've worked on this is at the
end of the day, I'm like, you're fine, enjoy it,

(56:45):
like you're gonna be okay, You're gonna be fine. And
when you're in those circumstances where you're feeling paranoid or vulnerable,
just switch up the circumstance. Like you know, I recently
got in a car after dinner one night and I
was like, oh, I think I'm too stone to drive,
And I pulled over and I didn't drive until I
felt really like I was totally fine. I think that

(57:05):
was the same night that it was. I wasn't going
to say anything for you to come around on that,
but like I knew the same. Yeah, but you have
to be like you're like, there's just also to be
you can be responsible, like you can control those situations
of paranoia, and they happen less and less and less

(57:26):
and less and less. Well, as soon as you get
more comfortable with yourself, you've become less paranoid. So we
all have those issues of it. It's not like anybody's
immune from it. It's just more people are more. Can
I tell you something? And Rich always says this to me,
And I have more paranoia if I go out and
I get wasted, right and I'm in a social environment

(57:46):
amongst friends or acquaintances or whatever it is, I wake
up the next day more paranoid about what you said,
about what did we say? What did I say? What
did I did? I say? Goodbye to forget any of it.
But like you know, where as that paranoia to me
is such the worst feeling worse to wake up and
not know what the yeah, and like that does not

(58:07):
happen if you get too stoned, you know what I mean,
Like nothing happens. That's why nothing happens, because you're starting
to do anything totally. I think that legalization helps the
paranoia too, because I think so much paranoia has come
from people feeling like they were doing something wrong and
then you get elevated and lifted. Then you're like, oh

(58:29):
my god, this is wrong. I'm doing something illegal. Oh
my god. And now people don't have to feel that anymore.
And that I think already for you professional, I think,
because you probably are a very high functioning cannabis user.
Whereas for the people who aren't high functioning cannabis users,

(58:51):
like they don't know how to work through the times
of when that paranoia hits, Like that's when it becomes
I think a little bit of the fear that comes
into it. And I think in so many ways, the
process of being paranoid, the process of like being really high,
are not bad in the end. It's just once you

(59:13):
get through it and get on on the other end,
like hopefully some of the cobwebs are cleaned out a
little in your brain. I think about that of all
of the pathways and our brains, that are the patterns
that we get caught up in and and sometimes substances,
whether it's cannabis or psychedelics or meditation, all of these
things are like creating new pathways in our brains, and

(59:36):
that just opens up more choice for us to be
able to experience the world differently and to feel better
about ourselves as humans. And it's confidence, right, It's just
when you start to have that paranoia, that just means
that your confidence is impaired a little bit. And so
you know that I've always worked, I've always worked through
it in in continuing, Like if I get into that

(59:57):
zone where I start to go to dark places, like
oh my god, there's a ghost in your house, you know,
liked I go to like paranoia places. Do you believe
in ghosts? But I mean, you know I do, actually,
but I don't believe in them hunting but no, but
I'm or like I'm afraid there's going to be an
earthquake or whatever, like whatever paranoia you know, Like when

(01:00:18):
when rich was gone hiking the two weeks ago with Sydney,
he went hiking with her oldest, her eldest and they
and well he did fall off a bridge on that trip,
so that was traumatic. So but he was gone and
didn't call her way, well, didn't have service, didn't have
a bridge. Maybe that was mother's intuition it was, So
let's just not talk about it because but she got

(01:00:40):
Really you did get in a state. Oh and but
you were right. So that's not a good example because
you were right about your at the end of the day.
Like I said, I think that the paranoia comes with confidence.
Like I I have found that I get less and
less and less and less and less, almost to the
point of no paranoia now when I get stoned, because
I am confident in your ability to get my ability

(01:01:01):
yet my ability to get stone, but just how to
work through it like that, when that paranoia starts to
trigger in my head, I really have been able to
work through it. And probably because of the cannabis. To
be honest with you, well, I think a lot of
the confidence that you're talking about comes from knowing your
limit too. So you have to test sometimes you have
to go over what you should because you have to learn, like, Okay,

(01:01:24):
that threshold for me, it's too far, like I can't
hit that joint this many times, or I can't take
this many edible. So you have to have those moments
of lack of judgment to realize like, Okay, this is
a good level for me, just like drinking, like okay,
I can't have six vodka sodas, Like I need to
stick to this is my comfort level for a good buzz.
It is. It's hard, though, Its funny because you get
to a place where you start to when you're drinking less,

(01:01:45):
you start to notice how much more everyone else is drinking.
And I don't like to be in that position. I
don't want to be judging about people. So like you
have to really back it up because because when people,
especially my friends, are like what do you do? Oh,
you're drinking, you know, or you're not drinking, what are
you doing? I'm like always have to tell everyone I'm stoned.
Don't worry, I'm on your level. I'm just stoned. Like
I'm here with you. Because my friends are drinkers, a

(01:02:07):
lot of them, and they are they're you know, probably
worry that I'm just thinking when we were thinking of
my Brentwood Housewives girl to that. Brendon is very very
sensitive about me becoming bo I think it's just like
this transition, like she's going to wake up one day
and be a Brentwood housewife. She's gonna have a husband there,
I don't know, she's gonna have kids, and she's going

(01:02:29):
to be unbearable. I mean those of women. Yeah, I know, Brandon.
I've had some Brentwood parties at my house for friends.
I have a lot of friends that are Brentwood moms,
and I am. I am technically a Brentwood mom right exactly.
So that's so I have to but I have to
not be defined by that, Allison. Nothing defines me. But
you know what I was really laughing about, Maybe you

(01:02:50):
can redefine the Brentwood mom. She's going to have to
with her weedline. That's what's gonna happen. Well, that's what
we're working on. Aren't trusting school? Isn't that Maybe I
am a Brentwood I'm the one I go to. I'm
the one who goes to the to the party, the
party books with my girlfriends. And I have some wonderful,
wonderful girlfriends that go to our Brentwood moms that I
adore and I love so much. And I'm always the

(01:03:12):
one like who wants a bean, who wants a joint,
who wants a vape? And they all look at me.
They're like, we wish we could be as open as
you are with it, and like embrace it the way
that you do. You know, one of my closest friends,
mom of three boys, has her own business, and she
is just so petrified to take that jump. And we'll
send her over to my house. I'll get her on

(01:03:33):
the street, trust me, and I've tried. And her husband
is an active cannabis user too, and like I'm like,
I promise you it will change your life for the better.
And she knows it. She knows it. I would like
to do a retreat or we just take a bunch
of women who are just tight asked and need to relax,
you know what I mean, They need to chill out
for a weekend and we just get everybody fucking stoned

(01:03:54):
and ganja yoga, Ganja yoga Yoga's where you lost me.
I'm not there yet, all right, Well, maybe that should
be our launch party for the brand. I do work
out high now too, so that's something I transitioned into doing.
I don't work out high. I also don't go to
work high that I have a hard like for today.
If well this, I don't consider working men neither. Whenever

(01:04:15):
I'm with you, it's not considered working. It's so much fun.
That's the thing is, like you have to be responsible
is at the same time I run a business, I
have three kids, Like I have to be wise and
be responsible, which I feel like I try very hard
at that. So I don't go to workstone ever. I
put boundaries on it. I make sure that it's in

(01:04:36):
a safe place in my house. We lock it up
in lock boxes so that my kids can't get to it.
You know, like we are responsible cannabis parents and we're out.
We'll be back. Next life will be the death of
Meusly Brandon. Okay, Brandon, do you want to add anything

(01:04:59):
at the end of this podcast. I know you always
like to have the last word, like Laurence O'Donnell, I do. Uh,
you know, just that the information that everyone got in
the podcast just kind of grazes the surface. But a
big part of your cannabis line is gonna be continued
education or enhanced education, enhanced educative and an educative component,
because I think that's what's missing and that's what helped
me really launched into cannabis in terms of being a user.

(01:05:20):
And you know, now I've gotten a little carried away,
so I've got a dial it back. But there's just
so much out there to try. But I want people
to know exactly what they're taking, what time of day
to take it, what are the circumstances, so that you
can have like a good experience every single time to
get your head on straight. There is going to be
an educative component because I want everybody. I want transparency
to be key in this brand, and I you know,

(01:05:41):
always want everyone's feedback. And yeah, that's it. I'm coming
to do stand up shows. We added second shows to Vancouver,
to Toronto, Indianapolis, and to Grand Rapids, Michigan, where my
other Sissy lives. And I'm coming to New Zealand, and
I'm coming to Australia to Brisbane and Sydney and Melbourne,

(01:06:03):
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(01:06:26):
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