People on the Other Side with Laura Lynne Jackson

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Chelsea Handler. Welcome to Life Will Be the
Death of Me, a production of I Heart Radio Good Morning.
I am here with someone that I know a lot
of my listeners and bands are very interested in hearing from.
Her name is Laura Lynn Jackson. She is a well
let me, how do you classify yourself psychic medium? That

(00:20):
would be the exact proper way to say it, psychic
psychic medium. You've written two books so far. The first
book was called The Light between Us The Light between Us,
and the second book that just came out is called Signs,
The Secret Language of the Universe. And I met Laura
Lynn with my book editor, who helped me my most

(00:40):
recent book, Life Will Be the Death of Me, which
this podcast is eponymous le named after. And we went
to dinner and she was telling me all about her
shenanigans as a psychic medium, and I was like, well,
I need a reading stat So we got on the
phone one night and you gave me about I think
a three hour reading. Yeah. I lose track of time
when I read, so it probably was about three hours

(01:02):
a three hour and I wrote a lot of it
down and some of it happened, some of it did
not happen. But you said at the time that these
things You're big into manifestation and talking about writing things down,
like you know, the type of person, the type of man.
I'm looking forward to go home and to write down
all those qualities, which I believe I did. And well,

(01:22):
he still hasn't come, but I believe he's coming. Oh,
he's definitely coming. I was going to show up. Yeah, yeah,
because I'm getting really ready for a real relationship, like
I'm I've almost completely lost interest in just sex. So
something better come along. Anyway, your new book, I opened
it up. I got an advanced copy and I started
reading it and the first chapter was about oranges and

(01:43):
how oranges are instruments that can be used to communicate
with people who have died. Yeah, so that caught my
attention because you know how I feel about oranges, and
orange is the theme of my new cannabis line coming
out my my book My Life Everything. Everybody needs an
orange amazing, And and you can hand somebody an orange,
it's like handing somebody a lifeline. Like so I throw

(02:03):
them out at the end of my stand up shows.
And I've taken the color orange back because it was
such a disruptive color for me for so long after
the election because it represented the color of our president.
But I want to talk about oranges. How you start
out with oranges, Because once you convinced me to start
asking for signs from my brother, from my mother, I did,
and then they would appear. And it was mind boggling

(02:25):
because I didn't really believe in that, and I was
cynical about it. I still am a little bit cynical
about it. But I think when you really believe in something,
that power is more powerful than almost anything. And I
think you can make things happen. I think we all
know you can make things happen. So when I asked,
I asked my brother to show me an orange. Recently,

(02:47):
I was in New Orleans. I have the picture on
my phone. I said, please show me a picture out
of place, and let me know if you're with my
cousin who had recently passed away. Show me two oranges
if you're with him, and show me one orange if
you're not. And I saw a huge, giant, oversized, plastic
kind of um orange on the roof of somebody's car,

(03:08):
like the size of one of those what are those
trump balloons? They make what are those things called them? Sorry,
I'm so tired, I can't even think of words. You know,
the things that fly up in the sky like an
inflated It was like one of those on top of
the car. And I was like, okay, so then Eddie's
not there, my cousin who passed away. And I told

(03:30):
my aunts, and I told my cousins who are really
grieving because they lost their cousin and their father about
this book. And I told them about the oranges with
my brother, and I told them to pick a sign
for each of them individually between their brother and their father.
And they've all seen signs since it does work, So
why does it work? It works because you know, death

(03:50):
is not the end of anything. It's not a dead end.
It's a doorway. And the relationships we have, the love
that we have for the people who have crossed to
the other side, that connects us, you know. And I
think that when the when we cross, we are always
looking number one to let our loved ones here. You
know that we're really okay that you know, our consciousness

(04:13):
survived the bodily death, and I think we definitely don't
want our loved ones getting stuck in grief, you know,
getting caught in a phase of living but not living,
or you know, missing them so much physically that we
can't enjoy life, and we can't you know, find our
highest path and do what we're meant to do in
the world. So I think the other side is deeply

(04:34):
invested in trying to communicate with us and letting us
know that they're around, they're watching over us, they love us,
they're rooting us on, and yes, they can even guide us.
And that's what this language is all about, you know,
whether or not anyone recognizes it immediately, anybody who has
someone on the other side, those people on the other
side have been trying to guide you your whole life,

(04:56):
you know, so they send default science. That's what I've
learned to to identify a lot of the signs that
they'll send if we don't specifically ask for something. But
the beautiful thing is that when we do ask for
something specific, we get it. That's why, you know, I
totally get being skeptical. If I didn't have the abilities
I have, if I didn't have the experiences that I've had,

(05:17):
I don't know that i'd believe in it. I really
don't um you bring up being cynical. You know, being cynical,
it's not being skeptical. That means that you think everybody
is out, you know, for themselves, and there's always an angle.
I don't think you're cynical at all, Chelsea. I think
you're yeah, I guess skeptical. I I think you're listening
if you listen to this podcast. You know that I
like to correct people for doing that, and then I

(05:39):
do it myself. Yet No, but you know what words
hold energy, and I just want you to know like
you are definitely skeptical in all the great ways that
you should be. I don't think anyone should ever listen
to let's say, uh, supposed psychic medium tell them something
and be like, oh okay, I believe that. Add percent.
I think we are meant to go on our own
journey as I'm understanding, and we're meant to test it
and seek our answer. But the beautiful thing is is

(06:01):
when you do get your answer, when you do get
your sign, the most important step there is owning it.
What I love about you is that you tested it,
it came through for you, and now you are being
a teacher to others, like, look what you're doing within
your own family. You're helping to heal, you're helping to teach,
You're helping others understand that there is still this language
of communication. You know, we might not have arms to

(06:23):
hug our loved ones once we cross. You might not
have voice boxes to say I love you out loud,
But there are other ways that our loved ones are
coming through to us, are letting us know they're around
and and helping us find our highest and best path
because they have a way better view of things on
the other side than we do here. Yeah, okay, So
this book opens Signs the Secret Language of the Universe.

(06:44):
This book opens with a story also about a group
of sisters and a father who lost their mother. So
these are testimonies of people who have asked, who have
seen signs, or who have asked to see signs. And
now this group of women didn't ask to see signs, right,
they just she came upon. Why don't you tell the story?
Which one are you talking about? The four three or

(07:05):
four sisters that lost the mother? The Queen of Hearts? Oh,
the Queen of Hearts story. Yeah, that's a beautiful one, right, Yeah,
that is this book that's like a couple of chapters
in that's because I've I've retold the story and I'm
pretty sure I'm butchering it. Yeah. No, you're actually doing
a great job, you know. And all these stories are
beautiful because they're shared by people who have agreed to
share their stories in order to help others understand. So

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there's a woman named Nancy and her mother, also named Nancy,
had crossed, and you know, she hadn't asked for a
sign or a language, and she was on a trip
on an airplane when her mom crossed, and she had
this sense that her mom was crossing. And when she
got to her destination, she found something very odd on
the ground. That day she found these playing cards and

(07:48):
the Queen of Hearts was flipped up like a to
show the picture face up, thank you. See I can't
speak in her York, New York. We're filming this, we're
so she thought, you know what, if my mom would
have been a playing card, she would have totally been
the Queen of Hearts, because she's all about love and
she's all about that. And then she got to her

(08:11):
next destination the next day, and there it was again,
the Queen of Hearts playing card like on a trail
out of nowhere, and she started recognizing, like, I think
this is my mom sending me a sign, and sure
enough it started coming up again and again. So she
kind of shared that with her family and they all
started getting their own Queen of hearts and like really
unbelievable ways, you know. And it was their moms showing

(08:33):
them like I'm with you, I'm around, and it ended
up really helping their entire family on this journey of grief. Well,
it's just so much more comforting to think that you
can still communicate with people. That's all anyone wants. And
when we're when we are sitting our pain and get
stuck in our pain, you know, it's because we don't
believe that we're still hurt by the loss of that

(08:54):
instead of the gratitude for having had the time with them,
and for the gratitude and having and and and and
to honor their lives, you know. That was something we
talked about, is honoring those who have died instead of
mourning them. Of course we have to mourn for a
period of time, and that's appropriate, but we get stuck
in our grief, and we got stuck in our pain,
and I know my entire book was about getting stuck
in grief and not being aware to it or aware

(09:17):
of it, you know. So it's really therapeutic. And I
have a Facebook group which I absolutely love called the
Orange Room, which was based on the book, where people
come and they talk about grief and loss and it's
a completely supportive community. And a lot of people on
that page have talked about asking for science as well.
So can you talk to us a little bit like
about how this works? I mean, I believe in energy,

(09:41):
you know, I don't believe in God as a person
of the sky. I believe in energy, and I believe
the fact that you could feel somebody's energy just says
alone how powerful it is. And that energy doesn't ever die,
it transforms. That's a lot of Eckart tole. He talks
about that, how your energy can't die, and when you're
with a person who dies, you can see the shift

(10:01):
and energy leave their body and that energy has to
transform into something else and whatever else that is is
essentially the essence of who you are as a as
an energy, and that is scientific to me, and that
makes sense. Um, So let's talk a little bit about that. Sorry, Yeah.
First of all, I love that you have this this

(10:22):
kind of forum and this safe space for people to
examine and discuss and beyond their grief journeys. I think,
you know, the one absolute for all of us here
is that we're going to die, We're going to leave
our physical bodies, and yet we live in fear. We
don't talk about it. We don't talk about our grief.
You know, grief can be a really private thing, but
it doesn't have to be. And I think that helping

(10:44):
others through their grief and helping others honor their grief
is one of the greatest and bravest things we can
do for each other. Um. You know, it makes us
very vulnerable to honor our grief and to to trust
in that journey. But I think grief is really just
the inverse of love. It's showing how much we love
that person. I think it's very difficult when someone we
love transitions out of their physical body to the other side,

(11:05):
because we're so used to the physicality of things here,
you know, tangible things, things we can touch, things we
can hold, So it's very unsettling to have faith in
that or trust in that that that person is still
connected to us, still watching over us, that that consciousness
still exists, and that's where signs come in. You know
what I became to understand very early on in doing

(11:27):
what I do, um, you know, being a psychic medium,
basically talking to the other side. Every time I would
do a reading, I would be learning from the other side.
I'd be learning about why we're here, which is really
so simple to love and be loved, and you know,
I would learn how the other side would be already
involved in our lives. And there would be some default
signs they kept showing me. They would send people to

(11:48):
get their attention. You know. One of them was putting
coins in their loved ones path, and I don't know
why that is. I think that when we leave our
physical bodies, we turn back into light energy, and for
whatever reason, it's easy for us to maybe manipulate small
metallic objects like coins. So putting a coin in someone's
path on a day that's meaningful or during a moment
when they're really feeling full of grief, just to let

(12:09):
them know like, hey, I'm with you, I'm around. And
I always say, pay attention to the dates on the
coins too, because sometimes there's a message there um messing
with electrical electrical things. They love to do that. So
you know, back in the day was flickering the lights,
turning the TV on and off. But now that we
have cell phones, I say, pay attention to words that
might change in your textbox, odd texts. You might get

(12:30):
phone calls on interesting dates, whether their anniversaries, crossing dates, birthdays,
because they still love to acknowledge those things, and then
sending us creatures. Certain creatures I've found are pretty prevalent birds,
all different kinds of birds, you know, butterflies, dragonflies, ladybugs,
even dear And so, you know, I'm always wondering what's
the science behind this, because the truth is that I

(12:52):
know this is real. I'm not a woo woo person.
You know, I was raised by two teachers. I was
raised to be a critical thinker. It took me decades
to come to terms with my abilities and own them
and and honor them properly. And so I'm always wondering,
how does this work. We're in this physical world and
there are certain rules, you know, physical rules rules of
you know, science that we abide by. But yet the

(13:15):
other side can still talk to us. And what I
found about the creatures they tend to send or all
those creatures are guided by electromagnetic fields here on Earth,
so I think somehow it's easy for them to get
them in our path. What I quickly began to understand
is that it's not a one sided language. We can
ask them for specific things and they can send it
to us, and I think that is more evidential than anything.

(13:37):
The thing that I love about getting science is the
more eccentric you make them, the more quickie you make them,
the more that monkey mind part of your brain, that
frontal lobe, you know, the part that the part that
meditation teachers say we have to like distract when we meditate.
That monkey mind, that chattering, that monkey mind will always
wrestle with any spiritual experience you have. In any sign

(13:59):
you see, you go oh, Like my friend said, where
did you see the orange? And I was like, well,
you know, the first time I asked for it, I
was in a grocery store, but there were two one
there were two oranges separated from the pack. And I
walked in there specifically to see the oranges and see
if there was a sign. And she said, well, obviously
you're going to a grocery store. You know, there's an
argument for everything and whatever and um, and I do

(14:20):
believe it. I mean I know it now because I've
because I've feel and you know when you say woo woo,
I I know what you mean because of my resistance.
And you know, there's an embarrassment to say I believe
in I believe in it, and people are, you know,
ashamed to say it and share it with people. But

(14:42):
it's really all that's important is what you believe. And
if you believe in anything, that power exceeds everything else.
And it's such a comfort to know that I can
tap into my mom and my brother now when I
want to. I feel them around me all the time,
and sometimes they're not around. And that's a question I
have for you. You know, my brother died a long
long time ago. My mother died, you know, about ten

(15:03):
years ago. What about you know, I think you believe
in reincarnation. Okay, so how if if I'm still able
to communicate with these people, that means that they haven't reincarnated,
That means they're still in that land. What would you
call that? I call it the other side Okay, the
other side land. We'll call it that. And by the way,
if it's if they're if they're known for messing with technology,

(15:25):
then that explains my entire life because ever since my
mother died, that is something my mom would do as
fun with my audio visual at my house, everything at
my house is operated by iPads and nothing ever works.
I can't get the music on or off. I can't
get the TV on or off. I can't watch shows
that I like. I just have to watch what's on
because I'm scared about turning the channel. And that is
what my mother would do. She would torture me with electronics.

(15:46):
So I never made that connection. So Brandon, if you're
listening in l A, which you're supposed to be, but
apparently he didn't get up early enough today, that's the
the explanation for our audio visual situation. So where if
you believe in reincarnation, what is holding these people back
from reincarnating? Or does everybody not reincarnate? Yeah, it's really
great questions like how does that whole thing work? You know.

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I think that there's a couple of things to try
to understand with that, and I'm very aware that the
other side has explained it to me in a sense
that it's the best that I can do to understand
it in the way they're giving it to me. But
I'm very aware that my brain is really like a
dunce cap, you know, I have the small little mind.
Right now, here's what they've told me. They have told
me that earth is a school for our souls to

(16:29):
learn a collective lesson in love, and that we are
only as strong as our weakest link, which is why
each of us are invested in each other's journeys and
part of each other's journeys and profound ways we can't
even fathom. Um, we are really always like our sole
essence is really always on what I call the other side,
and so our experiences here are almost like this is

(16:51):
the visual they've given me. Have you ever do you
know what a may pole is? No? Okay, So I
learned this back in elementary school because we did this.
It was like a pole in the ground. It it
dates back to like, you know, olden days, let's just
put it like that, And there were strings coming off
of it, and kids would hold the strings and walk
in a circle like singing songs sometimes to kind of celebrate,
you know. I had to start with a tennis ball,

(17:12):
whether there were tennis balls that in Maple. Well, it
will counter like, you'll totally understand that this is what
they said. They said, all of our lives are really
happening at the same time. That time doesn't exist. Um.
It exists here on earth, but it really doesn't exist
in theory, you know. And scientists have kind of acknowledges.
They used to say we were three dimensional beings. In
the last ten years, they're like, okay, actually we're four

(17:35):
dimensional beings and time is the fourth dimension. The interesting
thing too, is that quantum physicists are doing some experiments
when it comes to the relativity relativity of time and
how it affects things on They watch how a beam
of light passes through something it has to pass as
a wave or a beam or something like this, and
and depending on whether it chooses one in they do

(17:57):
experiments around this. Right, So what they've reached only proven
and I'm doing a terrible job. I'm butchering this, so
anybody who's listening can google this after. But what they've
recently proven is that we all know the past affects
the future. But they have proven through watching this beam
of light that the future affects the past, which is
really this mind baggling, fascinating concept. But it also fits
into my understanding of reincarnation, which is we're all affecting

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each other at all different times, and any any existence,
any personality, any person we ever were, it's all tied
to our choressence on the other side, and so it's
almost like we're Russian dolls within ourselves, but time is
allowing us to experience it here in a certain way.
Typically soul groups will reincarnate together, and so we usually

(18:43):
wait till all of us get over there, and we're
usually on a shared soul mission of understanding and healing
and growing within both our own families and the world
outside of us, and then we choose to come back together.
It's almost like in a cycle. You know. The University
of Virginia has a lab that's doing some really interesting
studies on past life recall is specifically in children, right,

(19:03):
because there's no way a child can make up anything, right,
there's no hidden agenda for a child to try and
talk about past life recall. And it's fascinating what they
find and it seems like, um, if a soul comes
back a little too quickly. They have past life recall,
and I think that complicates their lifetime here because then
they're looking for their old mom and their old family

(19:25):
and so forth. When we're meant to Okay, now, embrace
this or you know, I think that there's a lot
I don't understand about it. But from what they've taught me,
we come back together to heal each other, to help
each other grow. There has never been a time that
I've read for someone and you know, they've told me like, Okay,

(19:46):
I got to the other side, but the person I
was looking for wasn't here. They had left already. That
will never happen. The people we love, the essence of
who they are, their personalities are always on the other side.
So you're saying, my mom could be on the other
side while also being here too, Yes she could, she could.
I don't have the sense that she is back here, right,
I don't either. Okay, Well, this sounds like a good
time to take a break. Something that is interesting when

(20:11):
I meditate for a while. Anyway, when my book was
coming out, and I was really focused on spreading that
message of like, you know, getting yourself better and getting
yourself over your hurdles, and getting out the anger because
the anger is only just hurt. And I would meditate
every morning and I would call, like, you know, my
brother and my mother would come and I would feel
they're like energy and light and I would vision myself

(20:32):
holding hands with them. And I did this meditation for
about three two or three months when my book was launching,
and I would meditate with them, and I would bring
everybody in that circle that I wanted, that needed healing,
that I knew in my life that needed help, and
then I would go larger and you know, outward and
blah blah blah the whole world. And my father never
his energy never comes near me. And he recently died

(20:55):
about a year ago, and he don't be and he
his energy is never there. And I know my dad
was a little bit my mom was. I would say
my mom was probably enlightened and my father was not. Yeah,
you know what I can tell you. It's interesting. First
of all, I just want to comment on the fact
that you've been meditating. That's huge. You know, prayer, when

(21:16):
people pray, it's like we're directing thoughts to the other side, right,
And when we meditate, we're listening back. And I think
people don't understand that they can spend time with the
people they loved who have crossed through meditation. It's just
a matter of opening your mind and opening your heart
and doing that, and so that connection is very real
and very healing. I also want to say that, you know,
I actually listened to your book on audible. I love

(21:38):
listening to books too, because there's a vibration in someone's voice,
and I just I was laughing, I was crying, and
I just I couldn't help but feel it was so
incredibly brave of you, and one of the things that
I have happened for me. When I've read for somebody,
I can kind of tap into their energy. And I
just saw how you were being used as such an
incredible vehicle of light and healing in the world in

(21:59):
ways that you would ever be able to fully see
and understand. But it kind of took my breath away.
And I could also feel your mom and brother being
part of that, like they're as much a part of
that book as you are, as this team of light.
Then from the other side, you hear bringing about this
incredible healing in the world because all of our journeys
are interconnected and so through your journey, other people are

(22:20):
learning about their own journeys. It's it's really brave and beautiful.
Thank you. Yeah. So I love that you're meditating to
because that's spending quality time with them. It's it's not
only spending quality time with them, but like I came
from a real place of judgment, you know, a real
place of judging people who believed in all of this.
And even though I was guilty of believing in it
when it was convenient for me, I wasn't a believer believer,

(22:41):
you know, and I would like to think that I'm
more of a believer than I ever have with less
shame about it, because I don't give a funk what
anybody thinks I care about. I think, well, I think
that's very brave to say that too. You know, A
big part of it for me, like as a psychic medium,
I was hiding for years, like doing it in secret,
you know, helping people, like volunteering to help at grief
retreats and things of that nature, because there is a

(23:03):
little bit of a big part of stigma. You know,
it's like a bull's eye on your head. But when
you own it as a truth, you realize it's so
healing and beautiful that you know, I'm at the point where, Okay,
some people might arrive at this and they might not
be open to it, but I just hope that they'll
question it and go on their journey. Um, which is
really what you did. And when you test it, when
you try it, it works, and it works in the

(23:26):
most amazing ways, Like in real time, you will be
directing your thoughts to someone you love on the other side,
asking for something specific and you will get it at
the same time and like a way that you absolutely
know is real and the same way that you're saying
you walked into the grocery store and there were these
two oranges separate and you just knew it doesn't matter
what anybody else says. When you just know that to

(23:46):
be your truth, it changes your reality. Yeah, because now
it's become so second hat to me that like I
literally can feel my brother's hand on my shoulder at times,
I can hear him going laughing at something I say,
or I sometimes I look up and I just see
my mom and my brother they're doing something silly for
my childhood, Like it's totally at my disposal almost all
the time, and you know, I don't want to take

(24:06):
it for granted, and I don't tap into it, you know, daily,
but I know it's I know I have a space
to go in case I need to go there, and
that kind of you know, that stillness, sitting with yourself
and meditation teaches you that you are part of a collective,
that it's not just you. It's never been just true.
You're all here together, and the important thing is to

(24:27):
look around and do things for other people, and to
think about what when you're doing something, who are you
doing it for? Is it just for you? Or is
it for the collective? Is it for humanity? You know?
And obviously not everybody's in a position to think to
think that they can or in a position to make
a you know, a huge impact. But I would argue

(24:47):
every little impact is a huge impact. So many people
say I don't have the platform. I don't have. You do.
You're a human being. We all have the equal you know,
we all have the ability to do wonderful things. All
I do. If you think of it like, you know,
you are a candle. You have this light, you can
light thousands of candles. You don't know how far your
light's going to go. You know, you don't know how

(25:09):
large your platform is going to become. And every act,
every thought, every moment that we are making a choice
here between fear and love matters, and everything boils down
to that, a choice of either fear or love. Fearing
what we don't know, feeling fearing that we're going to
give up our power like that's never the highest path.
But trusting, loving, seeing our connections to other people is everything.

(25:32):
I think so many times people get stuck here feeling
isolated and alone, and the truth is none of us
are alone. And what can you give us a Can
you give us a story without mentioning any names, or
it can be one from the book or one that
you know that really stands out to you of recent
that you are reading, that you had where you were
able to give somebody some solace about people who have
crossed over. Um. Yeah, so you know, I was just

(25:55):
at UM conference this past weekend at Omega, and I
was working with scientists and investigative journalists, which I love
to do, right because I'm always coming at this like, Okay,
this is real, Let's hear what the scientists have to say.
Let's do this, and and part of it was that
I was going to be doing what's called the gallery reading,
which I typically don't do. But that's when I just
opened to the group and do readings, you know, for

(26:17):
whoever I'm pulled to, and I always know the other
side has a plan, you know, like the I was
a teacher for almost twenty years, so the teacher and
me is so uncomfortable with that because I'm used to
going into you know, a room with a lesson plan,
three ways to teach it, and a backup plan, and
so when I do gallery readings, I've got nothing, like
I have nothing until I opened. Then I trust the
other side it's going to come through. But they always do.
And there was always lessons, you know, for everybody within

(26:39):
that and some really beautiful things happened, you know, just
in that session alone, and I think there were lessons
for the whole group, even though only a few people
got read. You know. One of the things that happened
was I was brought to a woman and her daughter
and her son had crossed through drug overdose. There was

(27:00):
fentanyl in the drug he had taken, and so he
brought that up and he he told me that he
was part of a team of light on the other side,
and he showed me he was with other other people
his age on the other side, and they were working
through all of us here to try and bring about
healing and and change um. And he brought through a
whole lot of other beautiful like information about how they

(27:20):
were doing things in his name and they had just
organized a walk and how he was part of that
and all that, And then I read a few other people,
and then the final person I read was another woman
whose son came through and he had crossed the same way,
and he was actually with that point, like they were
both together bringing this up in this room to help
us here understand how interconnected we are, how we need

(27:42):
to take a look at this, how we need to
stop these overdoses with fentanel and all of this. So
it's really that was quite moving just to see how
the other side had orchestrated that. And what would you
say to people who have lost people to violence or
lost people to an epidemic like that, because that's something
that we could have avoided, you know, a gun violence,

(28:02):
a kid in a school at Sandy Hook, a little
kid getting shot. How are people supposed to reconcile that
kind of pain. Yeah, you know, I think like being
in the here and now, Um, what we're really talking
about is suffering and loss. Right, how do we make
sense of that? How can that mean anything? When a
child gets shot in a school? I can only tell
you what I've learned when I've connected with children on

(28:25):
the other side who were killed by gun violence and
so forth. And what they tell me is number One,
they don't want us to live in anger and bitterness.
They don't want um revenge, but they do want to
help us bring about change, and so they work with
us as a team of light to help heal and
shift and change the world. And I think we do
need to address that as a society. You know, we're

(28:46):
growing and shifting and changing together. And I think it
comes back to that fundamental question of fear versus love.
Like we're not looking at the equation, right, We're fearful
that our guns are going to be taken away, We're
fearful of losing that quote unquote form of power, and
yet we're failing to see that true power is our
ability to heal each other, connect with each other, love

(29:08):
each other, be kind, be thoughtful. And so what we're
really having I think in a really big way, it's humanity.
We're having this really massive conversation about what true power is.
And I think, you know, children who have crossed through violence,
people who have crossed through murder, are always invested in
helping their loved ones here heal and also find their

(29:30):
highest path. And when we do things in their name
to bring about change, that's the most powerful thing that
there is. You know. I've come to understand too that
there there seems to be some very evolved souls who
have come here on a mission knowing that there was
a possibility, should certain individuals make a certain choice in

(29:52):
their life, that they could be forced through what's called
an earlier doorway through murder, through violence, through being shot
and so forth. But their soul was so evolved that
they said, Okay, I'll come here on this mission of love,
and if that happens, I'm still going to try and
help heal and and bring love through. So you know
that phrase that love always wins, it really is true. Well,

(30:16):
I mean, do you think that people are set like
do you do you believe people like their their lives
are set before them, or that they create their their future?
Like is that done. Is this person coming into the
world knowing they're going to lose their life to gun violence.
That's such a great question. So it's really like our
our exit points predestined. So this is what I've learned,
and it was both like unsettling and healing to hear

(30:37):
this at the same time. Um, from what the other
side has told me, we all have different what I'm
going to call doorways to death, different times we can exit.
You know. The goal is to get to the last
one always, you know, hopefully, you know, but a lot
of times us getting to our last doorways depending on
other people's free will choices while they're here. For example,
let's say you come here and there's a certain door

(31:00):
that exists that if this other person who you've never
met in your life, but if that other person goes
to a bar and drinks and then drives, you are
going to be forced through a different, an earlier doorway.
Then if that individual makes a different choice, doesn't do that,
you're gonna get to stay, and the universe kind of rearranges.
And I think we have some choice on that, and
sometimes we don't, because sometimes someone's final doorway is very

(31:21):
early in life, you know, I've had situations and when
I read, I can see what I call points of
light on the other side, which or maybe it's their
final door and maybe it's the first, but maybe it's
the earliest doorway if a like if a four year
old dies. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say, is
like they have contracts some here to come here and
play a really powerful role in the world. And for
some people believe it or not, Like some souls aren't

(31:43):
even meant to be actually born. They're just meant to
be a pregnancy, whether it's to feel a parents on
conditional love or to be a point of growth in
that person's life. It's kind of like there's no harm,
no thallo, it's all about love. So it really depends.
Some people come here on a mission were are their
time here is not meant to be long. Some come

(32:03):
on a mission where there's a number of different doorways
that they could go through, and some come and they're
just they're here for the long call. I think, you know,
we're all different souls on different levels having this collective experience,
and our actions impact each other, our thoughts impact each other.
We're all enttangled in ways we can't fathom And what's
an experience where you've seen where you've done a reading

(32:25):
and saw a tremendous amount of healing take place for
the people here. Yeah, you know, I think that it's situations.
A lot of times it has to do with children
who have crossed, whose parents are left, you know here
just you know, completely bereaved and frozen, and I watch
how those children on the other side have worked really

(32:47):
hard to send their parents signs and messages to help
them shift and grow. One of the earliest chapters in
the book talks about a little boy named Caleb who
crossed during having oral oral surgery done in his heart
up and ended up crossing, and his parents were just
left completely in grief, but he very shortly after started
sending them signs. He sent them the number eleven eleven,

(33:09):
and then he would show them certain like cloud contrails,
and he was coming through in all these different ways.
And when I did the reading for his parents, you know,
he talked to me about being a team of light
and that they were going to work together to pass
legislation to help save other children, and that was already happening,
and that has come to pass um, you know, it's
in this really beautiful way to make sure that when

(33:31):
children are having are being put under anesthesia, there has
to be someone else there. So really, it was a
really amazing thing to watch his parents work with him,
even though he's on the other side, there here to
bring about healing in this world and positive change in
this world, to help protect and save others from tragedy.
Because again, it's just showing how invested we all are

(33:53):
in each other's journeys, and how that little boy Caleb
on the other side, and how such a tremendous impact
on this physical world that we're in right now, bringing light,
bringing healing, bringing love. We have so many um times
I've done readings where I've seen that happening. It's really cool,
like this team of light between loved ones on the
other side and people here, and whenever we do anything

(34:13):
in a loved one's name, like they're with us, they're
part of that. It's it's quite beautiful. Yeah, that the
idea that you can bring them with you, is that
you can live your life with their energy still with you,
is powerful and comforting. I remember you talk a lot
about losing your psychic abilities at the age of seven,
that a lot of a lot of people do. Yes,

(34:35):
So what's that Yes, So it's really interesting. You know,
I think that for number one, we're all we're all
born here, connected to each other and connected to the
place we came from, connected to the other side. We're hardwired, right,
you cannot break those connections if if you tried. And
when we're children, we're using all different parts of our brain,
right even before we have language, we're reading energy, we

(34:56):
absolutely are, and so we're navigating our world using our
intuitive abilities, using our psychic abilities, understanding those connections. But
what I have found happens, and this is true with
children with past life recall to not only children with
you know, psychic and intuitive abilities, is those abilities start
to shut down and become silence between age five and

(35:17):
age seven. And so I thought about the why of that.
I'm always questioning the why and the science behind it,
and what I came to understand, and you know, I'm
always listening to the other side to give me tips
to and what I came to understand is that that's
when formal schooling starts. Between kindergarten and second grade, we
retrain our brains. You know, I work with scientists who
have done e g. S of my brain when I'm

(35:38):
in a normal speaking mode like I am right now,
and then when I go into reading mode, and for
the normal speaking mode, my brain looks like most other people's.
All the brainwave activity is in the frontal lobe, you know,
the brainwave activities off the charts there, and the frontal
lobe is in charge of critical thinking, analytical thinking, language skills,
math skills like day to day stuff. We need to

(35:59):
now vacate our world. The only time anybody's normal brain
goes offline like that is at night, and that's why
people will have dream visitation by loved ones at night,
precognitive dreams like dreams that are symbolic in nature, that
guide them, et cetera. But for the most part, kids
stay stuck in that frontal lobe. Once they start school,
they get trained there, and they never leave it unless

(36:20):
they go to sleep. And so I think that's why
kids are born intuitive. They're born connected. You'll hear kids
talking about recognizing um relatives from pictures who they never met,
who had crossed before they arrived here. Yeah, my nephew,
Jakie was two years old. He never met my brother chet.
He was our first grandson in the family, my sister

(36:41):
Simone's son, who's now twenty two. And he came into
our house and Drew, my brother, used to drive this
old Orange Scout, and when he died, my dad parked
it in the back of the property in the woods,
and you know, never wanted to look at it again
because it was too painful of memory for my father.
And Jakie had never seen that truck. And he came
into the backyard and we were in New Jersey, and

(37:02):
I remember him running in from outside and my mom
was sitting on the sofa in her living room and
he said, and she and I was playing with him,
and he was, you know, just too so he was
just speaking, not not well, but he was speaking a little.
And we said, what did you do outside? Or my
mom said where were you? And he said, I was
with Chat, which would be fine because we always talked

(37:23):
about Chat to my to my nephew, or my mom
did anyway, and she said, oh, yeah, where where was he?
And she said he came to pick me up in
the orange truck and we went for a ride. And
I was sitting there and my mom and I just
burst into tears, and you know he had never seen
that car or a picture of that car. You know,

(37:43):
he was too young. So it was that was an
example of you know, I believe in children being so
unbe smirched, you know, before they get into school, and
we programmed their brains to say, this is what you
have to think. This is pragmatism, this is reality, this
is our you know, this is here and now there
is much more fantasy that comes into our mind before

(38:05):
we get deprogrammed from it. We're connecting in different ways,
you know, We're using different parts of our brain too.
So when they mind met me and I go out
of my frontal lobe, different parts of my brain light up.
And those are the parts that kids before they start
formal schooling, all of us before we started formal schooling,
we're using. Here's the thing you can retrain your brain.
And so what scientists have said to me is there

(38:26):
seems to be a switch that I know where it
is and how to turn it on and off and
open to that and shut down the frontal part of
my brain because when I go into psychic mediumship mode,
it looks like I'm not conscious, like the brainwave activities
silences in my frontal lobe. So I think we can
just all learn to reopen. And I've seen this happen.
I do workshops where I help people just number one,
understand that we're all energy, feel our own energy, and

(38:47):
then start opening to it and start opening to their
psychic and intuitive abilities. I call them the four clayers
that we come come here with. Oh yeah, let's talk
about the four classes. Yeah, okay, So we all have
these tools, and so this is just words to describe
what they are. We have clairvoyance, which means clear seeing,
which is the one that I was talking about when
we dream at night and we are seeing vividly, but
our physical eyes are closed. None of us talk about

(39:09):
how bizarre that is. We have full vision, but we're
not using our physical eyes. So that's that third eye
that other cultures talk about. That's our psychic vision when
we leave our physical bodies too. That's the site we have.
And it doesn't just go in one direction at one time.
We can kind of zoom in, we can zoom out,
we can be in more than one place at one time.
We can see in you know, different spectrums. A lot
of people who have had near death experiences. Otherwise you

(39:30):
know called nd s. We'll talk about seeing in like
ultra violet kind of spectrum, seeing colors they've never seen before.
So that's one of our abilities. We have clear audience,
which means clear hearing, and that's when you hear a
thought but it's not yours and something scary telling you
to do anything bad. But a lot of times our
loved ones will connect with us that way. We'll hear
their voice, will hear them saying something, or my mom's

(39:51):
voice all the time, slow down, slow down, and with
our German accent. I love that. Yes, I hear it,
and I can't say it. I can't speak in the
ways my mom spoke because it was very nuanced and
unique and she was soft spoken. But I can hear
her voice, and it's learning to trust that rather than
reject it. Right, because the monkey made that mind that
frontal I was like, oh, reject that experience. That's not
tangible and that doesn't fit my paradigm. So once we

(40:15):
start embracing those moments of connection, we're basically like a
flower opening up, like they'll happen more and more. So
I love that you've already had that experience and that
you're honoring it. And then there's clear cognizance, which we
all have, and that is clear knowing. That's when you
get the sudden download of information that you just know
something in every ounce of your being. Yeah, well sort of, yes,
it can, it can kind of land there, but it's

(40:37):
like in every cell of your being you know something,
but there's no logical way you could explain how you
know it. And when we don't trust that, when we
go against that clare cognizant knowing, we're always on a
bad path, right, So that's always guiding us. The one
you're talking about with your gut, that's called clear sentience,
and that means clear feeling. All of us read energy
like you are way advanced because you're already acknowledging that

(40:57):
we're energy and that's the only truth of our existence. Right.
So when we meet people, we don't just meet them
in the three D. We meet them energetically. And the
place that we're reading that from is our gut. It's
right around our belly button, right around that area, and
so you can start the more you tune into it,
you're recognizing and you'll feel like, oh, that's where I'm
feeling that energy, and that's why people talk about having

(41:18):
gult level feelings on things. You know, that's what they're identifying,
whether or not they realize it. And being open clare
sentiently and I think is so important because when you
talk about how interconnected we all are and how you know,
kindness and forgiveness that needs to be our currency. When
you really open to that, you start feeling that there
it's just the most beautiful layered experience. You know, you

(41:40):
want to do a quick, really quick experience if you're
ever driving in traffic and somebody wants to go in
front of you, instead of being like no, no, no no,
I gotta get there first, wave them in and then
just take a moment to feel what that felt like.
You can feel the energy exchange. No languages exchanged, you know,
but you can feel that when you do something kind
for someone, or you're acting from a place of like kindness,

(42:02):
love and forget, you will feel that. Conversely, when you
act like a fucking cunt, and we all experience that,
you know, we do yell at somebody in traffic, I
feel like an idiot A sometimes you can't stop yourself right,
but it's that moment of reflection. That's important. Like, sometimes
we're very reactive, and I think we're programmed here in
this world in a very materialistic way, and we have

(42:23):
to get ahead of people, and you don't let people in,
and you have to be guarded, and sometimes we totally
act like total jerks, right, and catching yourself in that
moment and recognizing what that felt like, that's a huge
growth experience. And because that's the difference between my psychiatrist, Dan,
who I speak about all in my book, told me,
you know, explain to me the difference between reaction and

(42:44):
a response, you know, me being reactive as somebody says
fuck you to me, I say fuck you back as
a reaction. It's actually really valid energy. You're just like
throwing right back because it's defensive. Instead of me going
you saying fuck you and I going whoa, whoa, whoa?
What did I What did I do? Or what happened?
Are you all right? Or what did I do something
to upset you? That's a that's a response. It's the

(43:05):
space of awareness that that he taught to me that
I've found to be such a useful to everything. Actually
to actually stop listen to what you're hearing and don't
respond in kind, respond from a kind space, don't respond
in the way the person you know talk to you.
You don't have to match everybody's energy. You can be

(43:26):
still and use your own energy to guide the situation.
And just by being calm in that situation, it diffuses it. Yeah,
you're really being an energy alchemist there right, because you're
taking this negative energy that's been thrown at you, you're
holding it for a moment, you're diffusing it, and then
you're responding with kindness. You've changed the entire energy cycle.

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And the thing is a lot of us volley negative
energy to each other. Somebody says after you to one person,
you say it next to the next, then somebody else
gives somebody else to figure it's like this ongoing continuum
of negative energy being thrown. So to be able to
find that space to recognize, wait a minute, this isn't
about me. But I did just receive this energy. What
am I going to do with it? We can transform it,

(44:08):
we can release it, you know. I teach my kids
like to release it, like if somebody throws that at you,
release it up and out of your head and let
it like implode into space and harm nobody, um, just
so that they can get an understanding what that feels like.
So you can try that too. But to be kind
back is everything. Yeah, and not to be condescending. I
mean that is that's huge. That's like really advanced soul

(44:29):
growth work there. Well, I mean I'm not doing it
all the time, but I I mean my work here
is to be nonreactive to everything, to not match anyone's energy,
and which is very hard to do because I get
a lot of heated conversations and you know, that's my default.
That's the way I grew up and that's how I
made a living and how I became successful was by
telling everybody to go funk themselves. So to undo that

(44:50):
has been really challenging, but it's been great work because
I just feel that, you know, anybody who doesn't believe
in energy then doesn't believe in a bad food, Like
that's energy. That's like if I come in smiling and
I'm pissed, you're gonna know that I'm pissed and faking it.
You know, you're not putting on an act for anybody,
no matter what kind of actress do you think you are? Uh,

(45:12):
Because energy is everything and if you have good vibrations,
you have them, and if you don't, then you don't.
But it doesn't mean you can't get them. So it
just means you're in a bad spot or you've lost
your way, because people are inherently good people, you know,
people just get lost, I think. So talk to me
about how you first knew that you had this gift. Yeah, so,

(45:32):
you know, as a kid, I would see people in colors,
I would feel what they were feeling. But I just
thought that's how the world operated. I was like, yeah,
that's what everybody experiences. And then you know, when I
was eleven, I had this moment, this Claire cognizant, absolute
moment of knowing that my grandfather, who I called pop Pop,
who I was so close with, he was such a

(45:53):
focal point of my childhood, in my heart and my life.
I knew he was going to die, and I went
and I spent the day with and that was the
last time I ever saw him alive. I was diagnosed
with leukemia and passed very quickly, and I never got
to see him again. Um, And I remember feeling really like,
you know, cursed, like there was something very very wrong
with me, like feeling very different. And you know, I've

(46:16):
always been blessed with having the most amazing mom and
being able to go to her with anything, So it
didn't take me long to kind of go to her
and confess and say, like, Mom, I think that I'm
dark and haunted and cursed. I think something's really wrong
with me. Because I knew pop Up was going to die,
and that's why I went and spent that day with him.
You know, when she sat me down and she said, Laura,
you know what, no part of you is dark or
broken or cursed. You just have another ability to understand things,

(46:40):
and you know, then she confessed that it had run
in on her side of the family for generations, and
then I felt less alone. But I felt like maybe
I was part of some club I didn't know that
I wanted membership in. But I think what the great
gifts she gave me was to have permission to explore it.
Because in her family, it was like you would know
people were going to die, you'd have a dream that
somebody was dying as they were dying, and then you

(47:03):
just share up but never talk about it again and
never examine it. And she really helped me to understand
that it was an ability I had to perceive energy
and it was really all about love. And it would
still take me decades to come to terms with that
and fully own it, right because I didn't want people
to know I could do this, and it was you know,
I had to figure out where it was going to
land in my life and how I would use it.

(47:24):
But um, it's it's definitely in retrospect what I realized
about that knowing that moment and knowing he was going
to cross that was a great gift because because of that,
I had one more day in the physical to spend
with him, and we had the best day. Like we left,
We were just together. It was fantastic. And and so
I think, like these abilities, we all have to send

(47:44):
energy to feel connections to people too. And I feel
like even grief, like that's our soul feeling that other
person soul somewhere else now so not physically both us,
but we can still feel them with us, and I
think honoring the on his everything. So what about Yeah?
But back okay, so back to my father, who soul
I don't feel what? What what do you have? What

(48:07):
do you think is going on with him right now? Well,
if you want me to glimpse. I can tell you
that this there's like a big joke between like him
and your mom and brother, and and he's like busy
and what I would cars selling car It's like a
school like where we're trying like, let's say there's a
class clown that you're trying to get to understand. Like, no,
but when you did this, you need to see how
you affect the other people. It's like I'm trying to

(48:28):
wrestle your dad's energy down so that he'll like really
seriously do his full life review. I feel like he's
taken a really long time with his life review, not
in a bad way, And it's just there's a lot
of people he influenced and affected that he's trying to
take in and understand. It's not that he's not present,
it's just like a little busy doing that. He's a
little focused on that. But do you think that there

(48:50):
are different since our souls can be you know, like
you know, my dad did a lot of things, a
lot of amazing things, but he did a lot of
things that I'm sure you know he wasn't that proud
of or that he regrets. Do you so, do you
think that there needs to be some clean up for
a person like that when they die. That's a good
term for it. So what I've learned and what they've

(49:10):
shared with me, is that we all have a life
review and it happens like you know, time doesn't really
exist there, so it's hard to explain, but it does,
like in a language we can understand. It takes some
people more time so to speak to process than others.
And we all need Yeah, we all, I think we are.
I think we all need to take responsibility to the

(49:30):
fact of understanding how we influence and affected others, and
we always want to own that and fully appreciate it.
And I think, like that's what your dad's working on
a quote almost like a little bit of a school
there where he's taking his time with it. You know,
he's enjoying, he's taking a lot of break socializing. Yeah,
but I don't get him this unhappy or stunted at all.
I think, you know, his soul had an agreement to

(49:52):
come here and play a certain role and be quote
unquote limited in a certain way as how I'm going
to say it, so that the people around him could
have to struggle a little bit to grow and understand
him and play their roles. And by people, I mean
your family, and I get who you're talking about, but
what about his growth as a human being. He's like
a different like so the other side has different like
it's almost like an apartment building of energy. So like,

(50:14):
I know, viewers can't, you know, listeners can't see this,
but like he's a little bit to my lower right,
and your mom and brother are like a little bit
to my upper right, and so it's just like he's busy,
like in that classroom. Like so if this were all
high school, right, and your mom and brother already are
like graduated and now like helping teach classes. Your dad's
maybe in like tenth grade. You know, he's working his

(50:36):
way through it, ok, but he's understanding. And I ask
you about some other people in my life? Is that
okay to do? Now? Okay, we're gonna take a quick
break and we'll be right back. What about my cousin
Eddie and my uncle Terry? First of all, I feel
like like this is my sense of Eddie, Like there's
two sides to his personality. Like there's this fun, like

(50:57):
loving side, but also this really gentle, understand ending side.
And I feel like his journey here, especially like if
you look at the I'm going to say, the ending
of it is how he's giving to me, Like the
ending wouldn't make sense. Like it's unfinished, is how I
want to say it. But he needs to let you know,
like it completely is finished. This was his mission. He

(51:17):
needs you to know what was his final doorway. That's
what I want to say. Did Terry cross before he did? Huh?
I get Terry like in the background and Eddie Moore
in the forefront, And my other way to interpret that
would be like Eddie is working with you, like he's
signed up, he wants to help you, He's like with
you daily, he's trying to come through, and Terry's more like, Okay,

(51:38):
I'm gonna watch with my dad. Yeah, they're like over
like that's where I'm seeing him towards, like that background
because it's my mom's my mom and her two sisters
and they all married, three guys like my father, like
my uncle. So I'm sure those three and they all died,
all three guys, all my father and my two uncles
from that side all died within a year of each other.

(51:59):
Who was the big smoker okay, because I'm just getting
like cigarette smoke in my face and all this. And
it's funny because a lot of times people on the
other side will make me give anti smoking lectures about
like how bad cigarettes are, and he's like, he's like,
I don'kay. Yeah, he's laughing about like this is the
joke with him. He's like he needs to let you know,
like he's still smoking over there, like and he's happy

(52:22):
as you can imagine doing that. So it's like he's
he's kind of funny. He's not using it as much
as a teaching opportunity as as more like a celebration
of cigarettes for himself. That's what I'm seeing constantly for him. Well,
I hope you're happy, Terry. But so for my cousins.
I have cousins who lost a brother that's Eddie. Is
there something that I can tell them about Eddie? I

(52:45):
know you're saying, here are there's three people here that
he's got like three cousins for you that he's connected to,
because he's talking about trying to come through to like
three people of his generation here there are more there's like,
are there three girls? Yeah? Okay, because like this is
what I'm seeing, um there's something like he's making a
joke about the color pink and I'm seeing a flamingo.
So I know this sounds crazy, but I would say

(53:07):
they should be on the lookout for, which is I
don't feel like something he would normally do, like but
like a pink flamingo as a sign for him with
some word on it. A lot of times this will
come through, it won't have happened yet, So this would
we just say that, I'm like, be on the lookout
for that. There's a joke in it, like he's got
a little bit of a like a joking personality with this.
So I don't know what word is going to be

(53:28):
like accompanying this pink flamingo. I don't know if it's
going to be like a plastic pink flamingo or like
when they see like in a picture, I don't know
what it or an actual one crossing their path. But
I'm supposed to talk about that, and I'm supposed to
talk about that one of them really not being open
to this. Yeah, is there like a scene name like
like a Colly and Catherine likes? Is she not as

(53:52):
open to this? I think the girls are all open
to it as as much, I mean, as open as
they've ever been because of this pain, or maybe skeptical
because he's really going to prove to her like right away.
And I don't know if she already had a dream
visitation from him, but I feel like, oh, I'm I'm
gonna show. I'm going to make sure she knows, right, Okay, okay,
well that's good. And and then his then my aunt,

(54:14):
his mother Gabby, who you know, has been through really
he's really proud of her. She's holding like what I'm
going to say is triple grief somehow, so there have
been like either three losses or three difficult things for
her um and she's going through something difficult right now too.
He's showing me like watching over trying to help with
If we looked at her kind of life journey and path,
it seems disproportionately unfair, is how I want to say

(54:37):
it is how he's giving like she's going through a
lot or this is really hard, but she carries her
like jin high and he's very proud of how she
is navigating her grief and doing this in the world.
And he hears her when she talks to him. But
to let her know she doesn't just have to talk
to him like when she's in the shower or driving,
like she can talk to him at any time. It's

(54:57):
almost like she's trying to find these little spaces and
know he's with her at all the time. He did
something with light for her, Like I don't know if
there was like this big beam of light, but it's
something dramatic he's talking about. To ask her about that. Yeah,
would it be a rainbow? Yeah, that would make perfect
sense to man. I don't want to be like try
and say that, but that's how I'm seeing it coming,
like light come down like that. So are the signs

(55:18):
all kind of corny? Are they all like pink flamingos,
rainbows and oranges? Well, I think he's like having fun
with us right now, like because it's like so like
feminine in a sense. Do you know he's definitely, But
I feel like now we should ask him to send
like a tank, like a Camo tank, and he'll do
that too. But I think that you know, a lot
of times, you know people who are more in tune

(55:41):
and in touch with what I'm going to say is
their feminine side or what we're encouraged as women to
be like open and healing and receptive, where men are
sometimes taught to like shut down those emotions and not
feel those things. I think it's it's interesting that a
lot of the signs do feel feminine in nature, you know,
but they don't have to be limited to that. I
think rainbows are really easy for them because it's all

(56:02):
a refraction of light. So like that's a really good
one for them to send, a really kind of simple
one for them to send their good at it. In
other words, I see that makes sense, But she can
ask for other things, and do you feel that so
when somebody okay, So so if when you say souls
travel together, obviously you can't. You know, there are a
lot of people in your life that are soul mates,
you feel like, you know, there are friendships, there are relatives,

(56:25):
there are spouses and children. So we can't always you know,
if if, if what you're saying happens to be the
reality that we cross over. We kind of wait for
our energy groups. How you can't wait for everybody because
not everybody is part of the same group. You have
all your little kind of offshoot groups. You know, there
are friends of mine that I would think I consider

(56:46):
to be you know, soulmates, and then there's my family
and so who gets you know, like, how does that
all work? Well? I think there's soul recognition that goes on,
and I think a lot of times were born into
families where like sometimes I read for someone and I'll
see like they've been born into what I call like
a purple family where they came in as a very
evolved soul, but they're usually one or more parents maybe

(57:08):
aren't as evolved, and so like the person who's born
here evolved is a point of love and light for
the rest of the family members to grow their soul against.
And yet a lot of their soul mates, so to speak,
will be non family members. What the beautiful thing that
happens when we're open and aware and we feel energy
and we honor it is those souls who maybe aren't

(57:31):
genetically part of our family groups this lifetime will be
brought into our path And the greatest thing is when
we recognize that, so we can create inform families of
energy in a very healthy, beautiful way. Whereas maybe the
family were born into there's always a dynamic and you know,
complicated relationships. So I think that different lifetimes we play

(57:53):
different roles. Have you ever read the book Many Lives,
Many Matters. God, I was just about to bring that up.
Yes I have, right, So I mean that explains it
way better than I can. That's Dr Brian White. That's
my number one recommendation of of books. It's just phenomenal.
But it helps you understand how interconnected we are and
how we can play a certain role in each other's
lives one lifetime and then a very different one in
in another. But I do believe, like I was saying

(58:16):
to you, like, Okay, well, if we're all waiting for
our soul group to get there, won't there always be
like the grandchild or the great grandchild who doesn't make it?
And yes, but well we all are more interconnected with
more soul groups than we can fathom. Okay, Well that's
good to know, and it's again comforting, and so there's
really no harm that could come from actually thinking about

(58:36):
these things and believing in these things. Whether people believe
you or not, there's you're not hurting anybody at all.
It's very healing and comforting. But I think some people think, like, well,
it sounds too much, you know, too good to be true.
It sounds like, you know, a fairy tale or a fantasy,
and the truth is like, yeah, it does sound pretty great,
but that doesn't discredit it. It It doesn't mean it's not
our truth. You know. The truth is that none of us,

(58:59):
you know, none of our consciousness dies, and we're all
in this collective lesson of love. Like that is a
beautiful truth because I think it changes how we live
here when we know that to be our truth and
we honor it. And the way to honor that is
to test it right, ask for science, ask for messages,
trust in the process. Yeah, to ask for science. And
just the energy shift, like, for instance, personally speaking, the

(59:21):
energy shift that I've had in terms of quieting myself
and calming down and taking my time and not being
reactive and believing in my brother being around me and
my mother being around me has drawn so many things
into my life, Like it is proof positive that happiness
begets much more happiness and more like the act of happiness,
the act of gratitude, which is a word that still

(59:44):
makes my vagina titan. It leads to all these little
gifts in your life, and people show up, and books
show up and opportunities arise and you're like, oh my god,
is this really And it's like flowing with the universe
instead of resisting the things that you don't like accepting.
It's so true. I love that you're saying that too.

(01:00:04):
About gratitude. You know, it's it's like if you shift
your energy, you shift your life and all different doors
open up. And so love and gratitude, those are some
of the highest feelings we can have here, love, gratitude, forgiveness.
And there have been studies done on actual pessimists where
they have them. Right, just a very brief gratitude list
each morning for twenty one consecutive days, because once we

(01:00:25):
do something for twenty one days, it becomes a habit
and it changes the customers. But it has to be consecutive. Right.
But look, you're good. You don't need to worry. You're
already in that. I call it being in the flow
of light, exactly what you're describing as being in the
flow of light of the universe. It's where you're finding
your highest path. You're opened your mind, in your heart,

(01:00:46):
you're recognizing your interconnectedness to both people here and on
the other side, and you are really what you're doing
is surrendering your own kind of life to be a
vehicle of light and healing for other people, and then
the other side works through you. You You know, I do
believe in God. I believe in God as this force
of love that is in all of us and interconnects
all of us and is healing. And I think, like,

(01:01:08):
that's what I also mean when I talk about being
in the flow of light. It's like being in that
interconnected state, being willing to be a vehicle of light
and healing, doing all of that, and when you're in
that flow, you can feel it. So yeah, gratitude is
huge and the flow state, like I I felt that
when I wrote my last book, it was like vomiting
out of me and it was in the sense of

(01:01:29):
such a release. It was relief, but it was also like, oh,
this is the first thing I'm putting into the world
that is as authentic as possible. And then the and
it just flowed out, and then it flowed into the
world and it did everything and has continuing to do
any more than I could ever dream of. And I

(01:01:50):
didn't put any thought into it. It just came to me.
Would you say it like came through you. It almost
would say that. I mean, I wouldn't say that because
I'm mad, but I would say as close to you
again as it flowed through me, it definitely felt like
a vomit. And it felt like once I got that
out and once I did the work, I did feel
like a different person. I just felt like, now I

(01:02:11):
feel like nothing matters. It doesn't matter if I die tomorrow,
if I lived till I'm a hundred. I mean, I'd
rather not live till I'm a hundred, but you know,
I feel like that might happen, just because of my luck.
Um and uh and uh. But it is such a
nicer place to live, to be to you know, to

(01:02:33):
to sit and listen to the energy and too and
to feel yourself to be present in every moment. That
has been a huge gift. And the things line up
for you in that way. And I've heard so many
testimonies about that, and I've read all you know, when
I read Many Lives to Many Masters, it was I
found that book in a seat pocket on a plane
after I had just gotten into a community fight with
somebody the night before in New York City about reincarnation

(01:02:56):
and how stupid I thought that they were in the
next day and I was like, oh God, many lies.
And I read it from start to finish on my
plane back to l A. And I was like, telling
cut to I'd be the worst juror because I just
switched signs all day long. I was like, Oh my god,
everybody needs to read this fucking book. But it's a
great book to read, and you're a great book The

(01:03:16):
Signs and the Secret Language of the Universe. How can
people get this? Can they get this on at local bookstores?
Is it out out to order from you? It's on Amazon,
It's on at local bookstores. Okay, I feel like that
book will find them. Yeah, this book will find you.
But it's such a nice read. And it's so nice
to hear personal stories about people who have experienced what
we're talking about, because it it helps you make sense

(01:03:38):
of it all. Let's talk about your doubt. Do you
ever doubt your ability? Do you ever doubt what you
believe to be true? Um? You know, embracing my abilities
definitely was a struggle, and there have been times I
just wanted to reject it all. And for me, like
the way it started, I would know a lot of
negative things that were going to happen in the world,
you know, and I thought like, why do I need
to know this? How is this helpful? But I really

(01:04:00):
needed to push through that negative to get to the
healing and the beauty and the interconnectedness and the love.
So that was part of my journey. Do I doubt
it now? No, I can't. I mean, it's one thing
for somebody to maybe watch a psychic medium and think, well,
maybe they're doing what's called a hot rating or cold rerating.
A hot rating would be where like I have advanced

(01:04:21):
information and I'm just pretending I don't. A cold reading
is that I'm just so in tune with somebody's body
language or their voice that I can kind of sense
when I'm getting things right or wrong right, So, you know,
I've worked with scientists where there's just no I know,
I'm not doing hot rating, and I don't think I'm
doing cold rating, right. Some part of my journey has
been to go to a psychiatrist to admit, like, I
hear voices, this is what they're telling me, and am

(01:04:43):
I crazy? And I am just blessed to have this
amazing psychiatrist. He was like, well, what are the voices?
Telling you, and I'm like, what's the person's grandmother telling
me that she's so happy this new baby just arrived
in the family and you know, happy birth, And he's like, well,
that's beautiful. In the world is more magnificent and complex
than we know, so carry on, you know. I went
to then scientists to make sure that I would participate
in like what when tuple blinded study, which meant there

(01:05:05):
was no way that the researcher could cue me as
as to the information I was bringing through was right
around because they had no clue. So that eliminated cold reading.
And I think it's really important to do that because
I think the fact that this is real has really
powerful implications for humanity, not just for me in my life,
you know. So it has gotten rid of any doubt

(01:05:26):
that I had in terms of is this real? Is
this not real? Where I am I getting this information from?
You know, when I read psychically, I get this kind
of widescreen TV that goes on my mind. All my
psychic information comes on the left and mediumship comes on
the right, and it's a very different feeling for me.
So when I read psychically, I'm reaching and I'm looking
for information and mediumship is just I sit back and
these energies, these points of like come to me and

(01:05:46):
just give me information and their personalities are there, and
it's like, it's this wonderful experience because I get to
meet all new people. You know. I've had situations where
I'll be talking to someone and I'll be like, oh, yeah,
I know that person, and I realized, well, I didn't
get to know that person until after they crossed, but
I know that person we're from now, you know. Is
that sort of odd experience for me, But it has
really expelled all doubt in my mind about existence of

(01:06:07):
consciousness after bodily death. It's it's changed how my life
journey has gone. It's changed like little things that happen
day to day in my own life that might be
an annoyance, I can often see the bigger picture what's
really going on. It changed my own grief journey when
my father crossed. You know, he's like a way better
communicator now than he was when he was here. And
I watched how it changed my whole family. Like we were,

(01:06:29):
you know, texting every day, like this is what Dad
just sent me. He sent you that at the same time,
like it was. It was really amazing, So I don't
have any doubt in it anymore. I don't have any
doubt in my ability to connect with that. But here's
the thing. What I know to be true is that
we all have these abilities, and what I know is
that anyone who wants to explore them and wants to
open will have experiences. Nobody ever, ever needs to go

(01:06:53):
to a psychic medium to get connected or get their answers.
We can do this for ourselves, and that's I think
what I would want everybody to know is to trust themselves,
try to challenge the doubt they have within themselves. Don't
believe me, go test it for yourself and explore it.
Because being open minded, I mean being closed minded prevents
you from seeing these things so much. So there's no

(01:07:17):
harm in being open to it because there's all sorts
of magic happening it. Really, that is the word I
would use. It becomes so magical. But I have a
bigger beef with you because you also told me during
my reading that Bob Muller was going to be the
end of Donald Trump something along the lines those lines.
I asked you specifically about my boyfriend Bob Muller, and
you told me it was going to be great when

(01:07:37):
his investigation was done, So explain that. You know, I
think that there is a lot. So when I read,
I read energy and if I said that, I'm going
to stand by that. A lot of times do I
get what's called psychic amnesia. So I'll bring things through
and then I won't remember much of what I said,
but I do convenient. Yeah, that is convenient, right. It
sounds like a cop out, But what I am going
to say is that there is a lot When we
talk about free will, choice, we talk about others, people's energies,

(01:07:59):
affecting discourse, dynamic, the way things goes. I think that
there has been more buried than we can possibly fathom,
and I don't fully understand all the reasons, but I
feel like sometimes the truth would be a little bit
too much for people to own and deal with, Like
what if, just what if the actual outcome of the

(01:08:24):
election really wasn't what it seemed to be? What do
we do if we bring that truth out? How can
we undo? Like that would just put us into chaos?
So sometimes I think things need to play out a
certain way. What I do know is that even though
it might seem like we're in terribly dark times right
with people really arguing with each other and hating each

(01:08:45):
other and being on such opposite sides, I think we're
in a tremendous time of growth, and I think that
even though it seems dark, it's incredibly light filled. People
being called into action, We're being questioned, people are being
asked to examine basically what they're afraid of, Like why
are we afraid of losing power? Why are we afraid
of losing guns? Why are we afraid of letting people

(01:09:06):
here into the country, Like what is it we're afraid of?
We need to examine that collectively together. To me, I
actually do feel like that has like that's it hasn't
been remedied, but it's being addressed in a way that
still needs maybe a little more time. And I think
that there have been things that at the last minute

(01:09:29):
somebody said, no, we can't release this, No I'm not
going to step up and do that, for maybe reasons
we don't fully understand. You know, I kind of kept
journals and things. A lot of times when things go
on in the news, I try and see, like, Okay,
let me tune and let me see what I think
is going to happen, And every now and then I'll
feel like a sharp turn or a change. It happens
in my own life with things too, Like I'll see

(01:09:50):
a certain project and then you know, I'll call someone
involved and be like everything just changed, what just happened?
Because the whole energy is going in the opposite direction
and the person w to be like, oh I got
this phone call and this just one a different way. Um.
So I do think the energy that each one of
us brings can affect situations. Can it affect a massive
situation like that? Yes? Do I think that the truth

(01:10:13):
of the Mother Report is right there for everyone to read? Yes?
Do I think that if we don't own things in
the here and now, we have to own them once
we cross. Yes. Responsibility is responsibility. It's nice when it
plays out here on the earthly realm and we can
kind of get through it. Yeah. I don't want to
go over there and just start getting spanked or anything.

(01:10:34):
Good time not part of not talking about you? Okay, Yeah,
I can copy that, okay, And also, well let's talk
about me. Let's end because we have to wrap this up,
but let's let's end with me. I would like to know.
So when I had my reading with you, probably a
year and a half ago, was just when I was
writing my book. I was in a like a very
tumultuous not a tumultuous time. I was just about to
you know, I was writing The Thicker Therapy and I

(01:10:56):
was starting to figure everything out. And I had started
writing my book, and you told me it was going
to be number one New York Times bestseller, which was right.
But also I've had previous New York that you needed
to be psycho. I'm kind of give you that one.
But you did say you were very optimistic about me
meeting somebody that I could be in a relationship with.

(01:11:16):
And I was just starting to open my my mind
to that. So tell me what you think about that
and what you feel just by being around me about that.
I remember writing down what I wanted in a guy
because you told me too, and I was kind of
half asked, but I did it anyway. I wrote down
a lot of what we talked about. I haven't looked
at it in a while, but I remember some of it.
And then, you know, I told my makeup artist here

(01:11:38):
in New York to do that. I said, you have
to write down everything, whether you want if you're really serious,
because I couldn't tell if I was really serious about
meeting somebody or not. I thought I was, but I
was like, do I really want that? And she did it,
and she came to my hotel room yesterday and she's like,
I did what you said. I wrote it in my phone,
which you told me not to. You told me to
write it on paper, but I wrote it on my phone.

(01:11:59):
She goes, and I'm at the guy. It works. It works.
So here's the thing I want to tell you about you.
I remember seeing a relationship for you, and I do
feel like you had a little um flexibility in terms
of pulling it closer or leaving a little more space.
And I think you've done a really beautiful thing in
your life. I think you've given yourself this beautiful space

(01:12:21):
to explore and clear and like get really like clean
and shiny in terms of your energy and who you are.
I think that's a gift you've given yourself. There is
absolutely going to be a relationship. There is no way
to change energy and not allow that to flood in.
I think it is much closer than you know. I
feel like it's right now. It's right on top of you.

(01:12:42):
So either you've just met the person and you don't
fully know it yet, you're about to meet the person.
It's right here, and I see it evolving over the
next year and a half and it being this really
really deep, soul connected relationship that had you tried to
arrive at that earlier, you would have missed. It's like
being on a different you know, yeah, or being on
a different floor, like we're on the you know, a

(01:13:04):
certain floor right now, like people three floors below walking
you might not see them. You needed to arrive at
yourself before you could arrive at the relationship. And I
think there is no way to stop it now in
a beautiful way, it is set. Its course is set um.
The universe has magical ways of drawing people together. I
think the really exciting part for you is where is

(01:13:25):
it going to show up? Because I think there's still
some surprises for you and it might interest be like
interesting in retrospect, you know, years later, looking back, being like,
look how they universe organized me, meaning this person, Like
how it got us in each other's path through that's
a dating app that a mom that maybe that's how

(01:13:46):
I made him on a dating app. That's not my
sense of it, Okay, but you're hilarious. I mean it's seriously.
Here's the thing too, like weak men fear strong women. Yeah,
I don't want to be fear your fierce right. So
we've also needed to wait for everything to be kind
of organized because the person you're going to be with

(01:14:08):
is not like anybody you've ever been with before. There's
not going to be work you need to do to
fix the person to help them like. They're going to
come at it from a place of being a very
evolved soul too, and so it's going to be an
incredible connection and relationship. I think it's going to surprise
you in a lot of ways. All Right, well, good,
I'm ready. I think I'm ready. I hope i'm ready.
I'll report back. You guys will know if I'm ready. Laura,

(01:14:30):
thank you for coming into the city and meeting me.
It's so good to see you. I love your books
and I know a lot of other people too. So
it's called science. The Secret Language of the Universe is
her latest book. You, guys, if you want something to
make you feel warm and fuzzy, then then you should
read it. Thanks so much for having me. Thank you.

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