Stepping into the trigon on this episode is former IBF junior welterweight and WBA welterweight champion Paulie Malignaggi. Paulie talks about his new project, BYB Extreme Boxing. These bare-knuckle fights only last five rounds and take place in the new trigon, a three-sided ring. Also, Paulie and Shawne discuss the popularity of these social media fights. YouTubers Vs. Tik Tokers are more like high school fights, where we watch the popular kids fight each other. Malignaggi tells us that these fights will not go away unless someone gets hurt.
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Are you ready for this? Jean Merriman a one hand effect.
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Out with Sean Merriman. What's up, guys, We're back here
with another Lights Out podcast with me, Sean Merriman, and
uh we gotta special guest man in the boxing world
today talking some bare knuckle though. For you guys that
(00:23):
don't know, UM, I did actually sign up for a
bare knuckle fight UM a couple of years ago. And
I know everybody's indy, Oh, what the hell are you thinking?
What are your other thing? Well, let me tell you this.
I've been in over twenty barre knuckle fights before in
my life and uh, I never got paid for none
of them. So that's what we did back in Prince Orcani, Maryland,
(00:44):
where I grew up at. Uh it was just part
of the culture anyway. Got a former boxing champ here,
Pauli Mala Nagi UM today it's just a UM was
a great fighter, great broadcast or two by the way,
and now's working B y B bare knuckle boxing and
they got a huge event coming up, I believe sometime
(01:05):
in July. So I'll let him talk about it. But
it's gonna be great, man. We'll get into uh what
happened with my bare knuckle as well. Were part of
the country you are right now. I'm on Florida, right, Oh,
you're in Florida. Yeah, I stay down here part of
the time. Actually it's been most of the time lately,
but but let's stay down here. Yeah. So, so are
(01:25):
they still holding the bare knuckle down there? And um
yeah in Florida? Right, yeah, yeah they do. Uh uh,
I mean a Florida one of the first days to
open up to Bare Knuckle, but not there's a there's
a lot of action but going on. You know, I
just worked on the y B Show last month and
I'm working in one next month as well. Uh. So
(01:46):
it's uh, it's getting a lot of popularity. Is picking
up a lot of steams down here, and I think
you can pick up a lot of momental see. But
it's really exciting way of fighting, you know, short fights,
a lot of blood, a lot of action, not a
lot of space in there, especially with B I B
with the trigonell. I mean about that because I'm trying
to So it's a it's a triangle, right, it's a
it's a tring. It's a triangle with ropes, So think
(02:08):
about it. Think about a triangle. You know, when you're
in the corner of the ropes are kind of close
to you, you know, So it's not like a square
where you can kind of slide from one rope to
the other and kind of get yourself out of there.
You're stuck on the corners, in one of the corners,
and a trygon it's a lot more difficult to get
out out of that corner than it is being stuck
in the corner in a boxing ring. I mean, in
the boxing ing is already diffult to get out of
the corner, but in a try gun it's even harder
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because the ropes are tight in those corners, you know,
I mean, you have nowhere to go. You can't slide
off one side of the rope to the other. So
what I noticed with B y B the first car
I worked, every single fight ended in the knockout because
between the band uncles you see a lot of blood,
and the trygon doesn't give you a lot of space
for any kind of maneuverability, you know, so you have
to kind of know what you're doing and then fight
(02:51):
your way out of those problems, or be smarter not
get yourself into those problems, and not get yourself backed
up too much because the trygon. Another thing about it
is is not that big, so one too steps backwards
and all of a sudden getting close to one of
those three points in the ring in the try gone,
and then you've got a problem. So, uh, it really
was good action. I think it's really good for this generation.
This generation kind of has that kind of has that
(03:12):
it's a gratification. You know, their smart phones, they want
everything at once. They don't have a lot of patients
and there's not a lot really a big feel out
process and the try goon. Uh, you don't really have
a chance to do that. You gotta get right to
and you gotta get right the business. So I think
it's gonna have a lot of success, not for sure
if you think about it, because of how it's how
(03:32):
it was built. If you do slide down, the rope
is actually pushing you back down to the middle. Yeah,
I mean, then you've got no joys but to fight.
You know me, I'm always a kind of guy even
want to think my bare uncle, but I'm the kind
of got to use a lot of maneuverability and ring generaship.
You know. Um, if I was to fight in a
try Gone, I think somebody with my style would have
problems because the trygon itself doesn't give you a lot
(03:52):
of options for that. You know. It's really a very
unique uh fighting surface, uh fighting type of ring. You know. Um,
it's very unique and uh if you're not there to fight,
if you're there to the waste time, you know, because
again that's another thing in the ring, in the in
the circle that I bought in with the KFC. Uh,
in an octagon, you can maneuver a little bit and
waste some time. You know. You can pick your spots
(04:14):
to fighting and pick your spots to rest. What I
noticed about the Trigon is it didn't give you a
lot of thought that all those options. I mean, you're
kind of pushed into a situation where you're either fighting
or you're trapped. And then when you're trapped, you're gonna
have to fight anyway, but from the worst position. No,
and I'll go back to even when you had you
a bare knuckle, do you think do you think bare
knuckle is more about skill or it's more about because
(04:37):
obviously you're you're a more skill fighter when you when
you had your last fight. Yeah, Um, I think I
think it's about skill. You just it's just that, you know, uh,
you're dealing with the fan base is a little bit
stupid and and the judges are a little bit stupid,
you know, so they gotta kind of get educated in
the art of fist to fifth hand to hand combat.
(04:57):
You know. Uh. Actually I'm doing them at the service
by telling a little bit stood actually really stupid they live.
They're the dumbest fans of sports. But and then the
obviously the dumbest judges too, because I don't think that
the fight I had even one hand that I did
break my hand, but I didn't think it was that
difficult to judge when I watched it over. Um, I
thought I wanted pretty easily, uh, despite the fact that
I had to fight in a more tactical way because
(05:18):
I ended up one handed. But regardless, Um, it does
take skill. I don't know if it's gonna be appreciated,
but it does take skill. I mean, you can the
ability to hit and not get hit. You need that
in any form of combat. You can't just walk be
a punching bag and just walk through shots, although in
bare knuckles the impact is not as heavy as it
is with boxing gloves. And the reason I say this
is because you cannot load your shots consistently with a
(05:40):
bare nuncle fight. You are able to load up your
shots consistently with a small eight or ten outs glove,
where it's enough padding to protect your hands but not
enough padding to protect the person getting hit. So therefore
it is I think there's more traumatic brain injury risk
in boxing and professional boxing, and there is a bare nuncle.
So you do sometimes get the thing that some guys
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just want to walk through the shots, even if they're
gonna get caught up and beat up and and and
it does make for a lot of action. It's safer,
but it looks more brutal. And so I think from
that perspective and the fighters that fights are quicker and
you get more action and people can enjoy it. I guess,
you know, because that's what they're looking for. Fox Sports
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s R to listen live. When I signed on to
do my my Barrey Nicle, fight. A couple of years ago,
I signed him to do the other bullshit lead the
b KFC another big uh C but w b K.
I forgot what those plans were. They on Ken Shack Yeah, no, no,
(06:42):
not the one with Ken Shamrock. It was another one
that was gonna do that was in Wyoming, right, so
I and I sned that was the first thing. So
I signed on to do that. And obviously that there
were a bunch of scumbags and promoter, you know, the
promoters and all that, the owners of the league, um,
and I end up suing them and actually you know
one and went after them. You know something, you know,
it's funny you mentioned that when I thought the b
(07:04):
KFC fight, I think everybody, everybody unfortunatelybody gets grouped together.
They had kind of given a bad uncle a bad name,
those promoters, and they said, yo, make sure you get paid.
A lot of guys didn't get paid. And then the
guy Dave felt and assured me that he was like, NA,
I'm not the same guy, I'm gonna pay you. And
they did pay me to their credit. But I heard
I heard about that promotion. Unfortunately gave that. I gave
the whole support up bad start. It was, it was bad. Actually,
(07:25):
they tried to lower my pay fifty nine days before
the fight, so we already got a contract for half
a million dollars. So I said, okay, cool, I was
gonna fight Mike Board, right, So you know me, I
had plenty of big bare knuckles, you know, for free.
You know, I mean the locker room video playing over free.
So in my head when everybody was asking me about
the bare knuckle, oh man, you're crazy, You're crazy, I said, dude,
(07:47):
I have been about twenty five ofties in my life
and I ain't got paid for none of them, right, yeah,
and honestly for me, And that's why, and that's why
I didn't like. I wasn't for me. I wasn't. It
was smart for me because I wasn't gonna go find
another boxer. I'm gonna fight you know, guys. Look, he's older,
he's an old m m A guy. He's gonna big
go these big, wounding punches, and he's gonna move slow,
and I can move around him and get in and
(08:08):
out of stuff and keep my distes keep tagging off
on him. So for me, I was just like, I'm
gonna just go and just mop this guy up, get
my half a million plus and just walk out the door.
It's light work for me. But you know that whole
thing I was like, people want to understand on the
on the bare knuckles side, as tactical it is. As
tactical it is. You hit a guy in the right spot,
(08:28):
it don't take much, not like, so you don't have
to load up with him. Yeah. And also I feel
like in bare knuckles you notice a lot of knockouts
and aren't really knockouts. What happens is I think the
psychology of people getting hit with bare hands, the blood,
they they psyche themselves out, you know what I mean.
When I was in there, even the shots that did
hit me, it wasn't that many, but it didn't me.
I mean, I felt like, honestly, I wasn't getting hit,
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and I felt like, you know, it does not you know,
And like I said that, you know, like you said,
I mean, you've been in free fights. I've been in
some street fights earlier in my life too, you know,
um my high school days and especially I was on
the smaller kid. But but I mean, it's not anywhere
near the amount of pain that you feel with a
hounds glove. I mean those those shots gett loaded off,
those gotta know how to throw punches. Idea to me
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was a whole different level of pain when it was
professional boxing, and I think the statistics will show that
because people actually die in professional box people get traumatic
injuries and professional boxing, so for me, there's no violence
like professional boxing. But but it was a situation where
it's mostly m m A fans, you know, And so
because of the most Amain fans I think about m
m A fans is and m A the emory culture
(09:31):
is because their support is mixed martial arts, they think
they have they hold they they kind of hold the
final call in anything that has to do with combat.
And when any what has to do is punching and
grappling and whatever and whatever, boxing things know that what
they're talking about when it comes to hand to hand combat.
So the funny thing about there was, you know, you know,
(09:53):
you see m A fans kind of trying to be
the bll ND goal when it comes to that for boxing.
Fins will know better if the fight, if fight goes
to the ground and you don't see a box ifin
telling you all abou at it like you know what
it's supposed to be this way, this way, but you
do seem main fans assuming to know about the hand
to hand combat that boxers really understanding. And I think
that's where the whole, uh, the whole lack of good
judging came in my fight and also the lack of
(10:13):
you know, intelligent fans you know, uh. But I do
think when it came to Baron uncle, they they had
something against me that because it was never main judges
unfortunately doesn't go into boxing, so they're using main judges.
And I feel like because I abused their sport um,
and I abused their fans and say people that you know,
they wanted to kind of get me, and I gave
them recently get me by letting that fight be close, um,
(10:33):
but all the day was making abuse them more. I mean,
you either know you don't you know what I'm saying, like,
you don't know what you're talking about. But you know,
when it came to that, h did you find did
you so? You and you didn't end up getting to
do it, That's what you're saying. No, No, I never
I never got to do it, and thank god I didn't,
because you know, you go. First of all, I'm not
getting on the plane unless you know in my bank account,
(10:53):
like I'm not going nowhere. That that was it, and
that's that's what ultimately triggered me not not having to fight,
because you know, when they told me why, I start
getting word a few weeks before the fight that these
guys wasn't who they who they say they were, And
so I said, you know what, let me let me
check on this. So I had them to try to
put fifty of the fight person in in that's grow right,
(11:16):
And so I said, you know, put it there and
then I'll get on the plane. And then that's when
they try to negotiate with me. And I said, guys,
it ain't it's not happening, mind you. I'm spawring all
professional boxers for two months leading up to this. Man,
at that point, you've committed to the camp too, that's right,
you know, I'm spawing with James the Beast Wilson. I
got all these pros coming in there, and these dudes
(11:37):
are you know, they got fifty plus fight till they
go putt You're putting in that work, right? And then
and then what and then for what? Right? You know,
that's I always can't stand when the thing to fall
things fall out of the last minute because you don't
know the work you put in. Sometimes in your mind
you already already spending the money in your mind, Like
how we can't stand that because then because then it
just all comes apart and it's never gonna hit your
(11:59):
bain account. How do you feel about what's what's going
on with this? Uh, this whole? Like I would do
you necessarily call it boxing with Jake Paul and everybody's doing?
I mean, do you do you classify that as boxing? Though?
Is that like a freak show? You know? At first
I said, you know, when it's a niche um if
they generate the money to deserve the money, right, which
which general gen con generally speak. Yeah, that's capitalism. You know,
(12:19):
if you generate the money, you know, you're allowed you
you're supposed to be paying that money. Right. It's not fair, No,
it's not fair as far as if you live in
a fail world. The guys who work harder and put
in the work and all the better fighters get should
get paid that much, of course, But unfortunately life is
not fair, and uh, unfortunately the high skill fighters cannot
(12:42):
be appreciated this same way. There's always the sayings told
me ignorance. Ignorance cannot appreciate that. If you take me
to an art museum, I'll see a bunch of paints
on the wall. Sometimes they just throw a bunch of
paint on the wall. Obvious that's on art, you know
what I mean. And somebody talk you have that paintings
work whatever, And for me, I don't get. I don't
get how good you know. So so there's the same thing.
Will combat supports I think the ly level of combat
supports sometimes it's not appreciated because people are too stupid
(13:04):
to appreciate it. And so you know when you got
a Jake Paul and you got uh the logan Paul
and you got up these YouTubers now, because I'll tell
you what I could have. I could be okay with
the log with the Paul brothers. They've got years into
this now. But now it's like every social media guy
he's got a little bit of a following, he's now
wants looking to fight because they realize it's like the
most popular kid in of high school fighting the other
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popular kid in high school. Nobody cares about the nerd,
even if he's got a black black brother, and you
just but the two more five ular kids in the
school of fighting after school, the whole school's gonna be
talking about it, right, So this is kind of like
a high school mentality where these kids, these guys have
a following. It doesn't matter if they can't fight. They
got into five people want to see it, you know,
they just go and find another celebrity. Doesn't even have
to be a boxing which most of the time it's
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not even another boxes and uh and all of a sudden,
you know, you got fights that people want to watch,
and you've got on the other end, these world class
fighters battling with each other risk in their lives. You know,
you can clearly see the talent if there's somebody like
me who understands the talent level, but people can't appreciate
it enough to order it and watch it. You know,
so it's generating more money again, dumb generations, stuper generation.
You know. So, um, do I think it's gonna last?
(14:09):
I mean it may last for a while. I mean,
you got had one of these guys who actually started
thinking he's got Corey p actually started with me. He's
like a TikTok or a YouTuber and had a radio
radio show in New York and I feel like, uh,
it's not gonna go away until somebody hurts one of
these guys. Hey so so so tell me, man, what
what's to tell me a little bit about the next event?
Do you all got coming up? It's kind of four
long ago in July the sixteen. Uh, all I can
(14:31):
tell people is right now. Obviously band uncles new, uh
b y p is new, but the band uncle, the
sport of band uncle boxing has picked up a lot
of momentum. A lot of people didn't literally believe in
it when it first came out. You know, they started
having these fights like now it's kind of it's kind
of uh dated, you know they were doing a hundred
years ago and after it's moved on. But you know something,
(14:51):
and I said, I think it's really really good for
the modern generation. Why do I say that? Because the
modern generation wants that instant gratification, They want that sue,
that that that that instant result. They don't want to
sit through a fight where people have to kind of
uh kind of uh, you know, you have the patience
to see it on fold and understand attack of the
(15:12):
aspect of it. They don't understand that and they don't
know that. Um. But either way, if you look up
B y B B y B bare knuckle extreme bare
Nuncle on July sixteen, I'm sure it'll it'll come up
in your search engine. But it's quick fights. I mean
it's supposed to be five rounds, but the show I work,
none of them last than five rounds. That try Gon
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is a crazy, crazy thing place to fight in. Man,
I'm telling you, okay, hey, al right, my dude. I
appreciate you coming old man. I'll let you get back
to doing your thing. I appreciate you. Sean, Thank you, man,
thank you. Thanks guys, listening to another lights out podcast
me Sean Ramon and uh, how was that? You know?
The uh, the bare knuckle look. You know, even though
(15:56):
you know I have lights of extremee fighting and obviously
I'm always talking to with me and uh, I also
love boxing, you know. I look at barre knuckle is
is a you know, you gotta have a stomach for this.
It's one of these things that if you'd like to
see it and and and you like to see uh,
you know the viciousness of the sport. Then you know
a lot of people watch it. You know, it's it's
(16:18):
also funny what to hear PAULI talk about, you know,
Jake paul and when he thinks about the boxing world
and how he looked at him and make fighters and
so forth. So that was great, man. I appreciate Pauli
for coming on. So thank you guys for listening to
another lights Out podcast and me Sean Merriman and uh
we'll be back with another next week. Thank you, require
I forget. Thanks again for all the great reviews. Um
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Are you ready for this? Jean Merriman a one hand effect.
Boom boom, boom out, go to light. This is Lights
Out with Sean Merriman. What's up, guys, We're back here
with another Lights Out podcast with me, Sean Merriman, and
uh we gotta special guest man in the boxing world
today talking some bare knuckle though. For you guys that
(00:23):
don't know, UM, I did actually sign up for a
bare knuckle fight UM a couple of years ago. And
I know everybody's indy, Oh, what the hell are you thinking?
What are your other thing? Well, let me tell you this.
I've been in over twenty barre knuckle fights before in
my life and uh, I never got paid for none
of them. So that's what we did back in Prince Orcani, Maryland,
(00:44):
where I grew up at. Uh it was just part
of the culture anyway. Got a former boxing champ here,
Pauli Mala Nagi UM today it's just a UM was
a great fighter, great broadcast or two by the way,
and now's working B y B bare knuckle boxing and
they got a huge event coming up, I believe sometime
(01:05):
in July. So I'll let him talk about it. But
it's gonna be great, man. We'll get into uh what
happened with my bare knuckle as well. Were part of
the country you are right now. I'm on Florida, right, Oh,
you're in Florida. Yeah, I stay down here part of
the time. Actually it's been most of the time lately,
but but let's stay down here. Yeah. So, so are
(01:25):
they still holding the bare knuckle down there? And um
yeah in Florida? Right, yeah, yeah they do. Uh uh,
I mean a Florida one of the first days to
open up to Bare Knuckle, but not there's a there's
a lot of action but going on. You know, I
just worked on the y B Show last month and
I'm working in one next month as well. Uh. So
(01:46):
it's uh, it's getting a lot of popularity. Is picking
up a lot of steams down here, and I think
you can pick up a lot of momental see. But
it's really exciting way of fighting, you know, short fights,
a lot of blood, a lot of action, not a
lot of space in there, especially with B I B
with the trigonell. I mean about that because I'm trying
to So it's a it's a triangle, right, it's a
it's a tring. It's a triangle with ropes, So think
(02:08):
about it. Think about a triangle. You know, when you're
in the corner of the ropes are kind of close
to you, you know, So it's not like a square
where you can kind of slide from one rope to
the other and kind of get yourself out of there.
You're stuck on the corners, in one of the corners,
and a trygon it's a lot more difficult to get
out out of that corner than it is being stuck
in the corner in a boxing ring. I mean, in
the boxing ing is already diffult to get out of
the corner, but in a try gun it's even harder
(02:30):
because the ropes are tight in those corners, you know,
I mean, you have nowhere to go. You can't slide
off one side of the rope to the other. So
what I noticed with B y B the first car
I worked, every single fight ended in the knockout because
between the band uncles you see a lot of blood,
and the trygon doesn't give you a lot of space
for any kind of maneuverability, you know, so you have
to kind of know what you're doing and then fight
(02:51):
your way out of those problems, or be smarter not
get yourself into those problems, and not get yourself backed
up too much because the trygon. Another thing about it
is is not that big, so one too steps backwards
and all of a sudden getting close to one of
those three points in the ring in the try gone,
and then you've got a problem. So, uh, it really
was good action. I think it's really good for this generation.
This generation kind of has that kind of has that
(03:12):
it's a gratification. You know, their smart phones, they want
everything at once. They don't have a lot of patients
and there's not a lot really a big feel out
process and the try goon. Uh, you don't really have
a chance to do that. You gotta get right to
and you gotta get right the business. So I think
it's gonna have a lot of success, not for sure
if you think about it, because of how it's how
(03:32):
it was built. If you do slide down, the rope
is actually pushing you back down to the middle. Yeah,
I mean, then you've got no joys but to fight.
You know me, I'm always a kind of guy even
want to think my bare uncle, but I'm the kind
of got to use a lot of maneuverability and ring generaship.
You know. Um, if I was to fight in a
try Gone, I think somebody with my style would have
problems because the trygon itself doesn't give you a lot
(03:52):
of options for that. You know. It's really a very
unique uh fighting surface, uh fighting type of ring. You know. Um,
it's very unique and uh if you're not there to fight,
if you're there to the waste time, you know, because
again that's another thing in the ring, in the in
the circle that I bought in with the KFC. Uh,
in an octagon, you can maneuver a little bit and
waste some time. You know. You can pick your spots
(04:14):
to fighting and pick your spots to rest. What I
noticed about the Trigon is it didn't give you a
lot of thought that all those options. I mean, you're
kind of pushed into a situation where you're either fighting
or you're trapped. And then when you're trapped, you're gonna
have to fight anyway, but from the worst position. No,
and I'll go back to even when you had you
a bare knuckle, do you think do you think bare
knuckle is more about skill or it's more about because
(04:37):
obviously you're you're a more skill fighter when you when
you had your last fight. Yeah, Um, I think I
think it's about skill. You just it's just that, you know, uh,
you're dealing with the fan base is a little bit
stupid and and the judges are a little bit stupid,
you know, so they gotta kind of get educated in
the art of fist to fifth hand to hand combat.
(04:57):
You know. Uh. Actually I'm doing them at the service
by telling a little bit stood actually really stupid they live.
They're the dumbest fans of sports. But and then the
obviously the dumbest judges too, because I don't think that
the fight I had even one hand that I did
break my hand, but I didn't think it was that
difficult to judge when I watched it over. Um, I
thought I wanted pretty easily, uh, despite the fact that
I had to fight in a more tactical way because
(05:18):
I ended up one handed. But regardless, Um, it does
take skill. I don't know if it's gonna be appreciated,
but it does take skill. I mean, you can the
ability to hit and not get hit. You need that
in any form of combat. You can't just walk be
a punching bag and just walk through shots, although in
bare knuckles the impact is not as heavy as it
is with boxing gloves. And the reason I say this
is because you cannot load your shots consistently with a
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bare nuncle fight. You are able to load up your
shots consistently with a small eight or ten outs glove,
where it's enough padding to protect your hands but not
enough padding to protect the person getting hit. So therefore
it is I think there's more traumatic brain injury risk
in boxing and professional boxing, and there is a bare nuncle.
So you do sometimes get the thing that some guys
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just want to walk through the shots, even if they're
gonna get caught up and beat up and and and
it does make for a lot of action. It's safer,
but it looks more brutal. And so I think from
that perspective and the fighters that fights are quicker and
you get more action and people can enjoy it. I guess,
you know, because that's what they're looking for. Fox Sports
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com and within the I Heart Radio app search f
s R to listen live. When I signed on to
do my my Barrey Nicle, fight. A couple of years ago,
I signed him to do the other bullshit lead the
b KFC another big uh C but w b K.
I forgot what those plans were. They on Ken Shack Yeah, no, no,
(06:42):
not the one with Ken Shamrock. It was another one
that was gonna do that was in Wyoming, right, so
I and I sned that was the first thing. So
I signed on to do that. And obviously that there
were a bunch of scumbags and promoter, you know, the
promoters and all that, the owners of the league, um,
and I end up suing them and actually you know
one and went after them. You know something, you know,
it's funny you mentioned that when I thought the b
(07:04):
KFC fight, I think everybody, everybody unfortunatelybody gets grouped together.
They had kind of given a bad uncle a bad name,
those promoters, and they said, yo, make sure you get paid.
A lot of guys didn't get paid. And then the
guy Dave felt and assured me that he was like, NA,
I'm not the same guy, I'm gonna pay you. And
they did pay me to their credit. But I heard
I heard about that promotion. Unfortunately gave that. I gave
the whole support up bad start. It was, it was bad. Actually,
(07:25):
they tried to lower my pay fifty nine days before
the fight, so we already got a contract for half
a million dollars. So I said, okay, cool, I was
gonna fight Mike Board, right, So you know me, I
had plenty of big bare knuckles, you know, for free.
You know, I mean the locker room video playing over free.
So in my head when everybody was asking me about
the bare knuckle, oh man, you're crazy, You're crazy, I said, dude,
(07:47):
I have been about twenty five ofties in my life
and I ain't got paid for none of them, right, yeah,
and honestly for me, And that's why, and that's why
I didn't like. I wasn't for me. I wasn't. It
was smart for me because I wasn't gonna go find
another boxer. I'm gonna fight you know, guys. Look, he's older,
he's an old m m A guy. He's gonna big
go these big, wounding punches, and he's gonna move slow,
and I can move around him and get in and
(08:08):
out of stuff and keep my distes keep tagging off
on him. So for me, I was just like, I'm
gonna just go and just mop this guy up, get
my half a million plus and just walk out the door.
It's light work for me. But you know that whole
thing I was like, people want to understand on the
on the bare knuckles side, as tactical it is. As
tactical it is. You hit a guy in the right spot,
(08:28):
it don't take much, not like, so you don't have
to load up with him. Yeah. And also I feel
like in bare knuckles you notice a lot of knockouts
and aren't really knockouts. What happens is I think the
psychology of people getting hit with bare hands, the blood,
they they psyche themselves out, you know what I mean.
When I was in there, even the shots that did
hit me, it wasn't that many, but it didn't me.
I mean, I felt like, honestly, I wasn't getting hit,
(08:49):
and I felt like, you know, it does not you know,
And like I said that, you know, like you said,
I mean, you've been in free fights. I've been in
some street fights earlier in my life too, you know,
um my high school days and especially I was on
the smaller kid. But but I mean, it's not anywhere
near the amount of pain that you feel with a
hounds glove. I mean those those shots gett loaded off,
those gotta know how to throw punches. Idea to me
(09:10):
was a whole different level of pain when it was
professional boxing, and I think the statistics will show that
because people actually die in professional box people get traumatic
injuries and professional boxing, so for me, there's no violence
like professional boxing. But but it was a situation where
it's mostly m m A fans, you know, And so
because of the most Amain fans I think about m
m A fans is and m A the emory culture
(09:31):
is because their support is mixed martial arts, they think
they have they hold they they kind of hold the
final call in anything that has to do with combat.
And when any what has to do is punching and
grappling and whatever and whatever, boxing things know that what
they're talking about when it comes to hand to hand combat.
So the funny thing about there was, you know, you know,
(09:53):
you see m A fans kind of trying to be
the bll ND goal when it comes to that for boxing.
Fins will know better if the fight, if fight goes
to the ground and you don't see a box ifin
telling you all abou at it like you know what
it's supposed to be this way, this way, but you
do seem main fans assuming to know about the hand
to hand combat that boxers really understanding. And I think
that's where the whole, uh, the whole lack of good
judging came in my fight and also the lack of
(10:13):
you know, intelligent fans you know, uh. But I do
think when it came to Baron uncle, they they had
something against me that because it was never main judges
unfortunately doesn't go into boxing, so they're using main judges.
And I feel like because I abused their sport um,
and I abused their fans and say people that you know,
they wanted to kind of get me, and I gave
them recently get me by letting that fight be close, um,
(10:33):
but all the day was making abuse them more. I mean,
you either know you don't you know what I'm saying, like,
you don't know what you're talking about. But you know,
when it came to that, h did you find did
you so? You and you didn't end up getting to
do it, That's what you're saying. No, No, I never
I never got to do it, and thank god I didn't,
because you know, you go. First of all, I'm not
getting on the plane unless you know in my bank account,
(10:53):
like I'm not going nowhere. That that was it, and
that's that's what ultimately triggered me not not having to fight,
because you know, when they told me why, I start
getting word a few weeks before the fight that these
guys wasn't who they who they say they were, And
so I said, you know what, let me let me
check on this. So I had them to try to
put fifty of the fight person in in that's grow right,
(11:16):
And so I said, you know, put it there and
then I'll get on the plane. And then that's when
they try to negotiate with me. And I said, guys,
it ain't it's not happening, mind you. I'm spawring all
professional boxers for two months leading up to this. Man,
at that point, you've committed to the camp too, that's right,
you know, I'm spawing with James the Beast Wilson. I
got all these pros coming in there, and these dudes
(11:37):
are you know, they got fifty plus fight till they
go putt You're putting in that work, right? And then
and then what and then for what? Right? You know,
that's I always can't stand when the thing to fall
things fall out of the last minute because you don't
know the work you put in. Sometimes in your mind
you already already spending the money in your mind, Like
how we can't stand that because then because then it
just all comes apart and it's never gonna hit your
(11:59):
bain account. How do you feel about what's what's going
on with this? Uh, this whole? Like I would do
you necessarily call it boxing with Jake Paul and everybody's doing?
I mean, do you do you classify that as boxing? Though?
Is that like a freak show? You know? At first
I said, you know, when it's a niche um if
they generate the money to deserve the money, right, which
which general gen con generally speak. Yeah, that's capitalism. You know,
(12:19):
if you generate the money, you know, you're allowed you
you're supposed to be paying that money. Right. It's not fair, No,
it's not fair as far as if you live in
a fail world. The guys who work harder and put
in the work and all the better fighters get should
get paid that much, of course, But unfortunately life is
not fair, and uh, unfortunately the high skill fighters cannot
(12:42):
be appreciated this same way. There's always the sayings told
me ignorance. Ignorance cannot appreciate that. If you take me
to an art museum, I'll see a bunch of paints
on the wall. Sometimes they just throw a bunch of
paint on the wall. Obvious that's on art, you know
what I mean. And somebody talk you have that paintings
work whatever, And for me, I don't get. I don't
get how good you know. So so there's the same thing.
Will combat supports I think the ly level of combat
supports sometimes it's not appreciated because people are too stupid
(13:04):
to appreciate it. And so you know when you got
a Jake Paul and you got uh the logan Paul
and you got up these YouTubers now, because I'll tell
you what I could have. I could be okay with
the log with the Paul brothers. They've got years into
this now. But now it's like every social media guy
he's got a little bit of a following, he's now
wants looking to fight because they realize it's like the
most popular kid in of high school fighting the other
(13:25):
popular kid in high school. Nobody cares about the nerd,
even if he's got a black black brother, and you
just but the two more five ular kids in the
school of fighting after school, the whole school's gonna be
talking about it, right, So this is kind of like
a high school mentality where these kids, these guys have
a following. It doesn't matter if they can't fight. They
got into five people want to see it, you know,
they just go and find another celebrity. Doesn't even have
to be a boxing which most of the time it's
(13:46):
not even another boxes and uh and all of a sudden,
you know, you got fights that people want to watch,
and you've got on the other end, these world class
fighters battling with each other risk in their lives. You know,
you can clearly see the talent if there's somebody like
me who understands the talent level, but people can't appreciate
it enough to order it and watch it. You know,
so it's generating more money again, dumb generations, stuper generation.
You know. So, um, do I think it's gonna last?
(14:09):
I mean it may last for a while. I mean,
you got had one of these guys who actually started
thinking he's got Corey p actually started with me. He's
like a TikTok or a YouTuber and had a radio
radio show in New York and I feel like, uh,
it's not gonna go away until somebody hurts one of
these guys. Hey so so so tell me, man, what
what's to tell me a little bit about the next event?
Do you all got coming up? It's kind of four
long ago in July the sixteen. Uh, all I can
(14:31):
tell people is right now. Obviously band uncles new, uh
b y p is new, but the band uncle, the
sport of band uncle boxing has picked up a lot
of momentum. A lot of people didn't literally believe in
it when it first came out. You know, they started
having these fights like now it's kind of it's kind
of uh dated, you know they were doing a hundred
years ago and after it's moved on. But you know something,
(14:51):
and I said, I think it's really really good for
the modern generation. Why do I say that? Because the
modern generation wants that instant gratification, They want that sue,
that that that that instant result. They don't want to
sit through a fight where people have to kind of
uh kind of uh, you know, you have the patience
to see it on fold and understand attack of the
(15:12):
aspect of it. They don't understand that and they don't
know that. Um. But either way, if you look up
B y B B y B bare knuckle extreme bare
Nuncle on July sixteen, I'm sure it'll it'll come up
in your search engine. But it's quick fights. I mean
it's supposed to be five rounds, but the show I work,
none of them last than five rounds. That try Gon
(15:33):
is a crazy, crazy thing place to fight in. Man,
I'm telling you, okay, hey, al right, my dude. I
appreciate you coming old man. I'll let you get back
to doing your thing. I appreciate you. Sean, Thank you, man,
thank you. Thanks guys, listening to another lights out podcast
me Sean Ramon and uh, how was that? You know?
The uh, the bare knuckle look. You know, even though
(15:56):
you know I have lights of extremee fighting and obviously
I'm always talking to with me and uh, I also
love boxing, you know. I look at barre knuckle is
is a you know, you gotta have a stomach for this.
It's one of these things that if you'd like to
see it and and and you like to see uh,
you know the viciousness of the sport. Then you know
a lot of people watch it. You know, it's it's
(16:18):
also funny what to hear PAULI talk about, you know,
Jake paul and when he thinks about the boxing world
and how he looked at him and make fighters and
so forth. So that was great, man. I appreciate Pauli
for coming on. So thank you guys for listening to
another lights Out podcast and me Sean Merriman and uh
we'll be back with another next week. Thank you, require
I forget. Thanks again for all the great reviews. Um
(16:40):
we just passed over a hundred and seventy five thousand
monthly listeners. Um so that's that's awesome, all because of
you guys. So I appreciate it again
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