Colin Farrell's Sex Tape

Fran & Rose's IRL viewing of The Batman not only inspires takes on Zoe Kravitz's stiletto parkour and Robert Pattinson's emo vibes, but sends them into their feelings about Bat-thems and Catwomen of yesteryears.

Plus, Lexi's play, the agony of a double save and some streaming movie recs.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
We come to this place for magic. We come to
a MC feed is to laugh, to cry, to care,
because we need that, all of us, that indescribable feeling
we get when the lights begin to deem and we
go somewhere we've never been before, not just entertained, but
somehow reborn. Take together. Okay, for the virgins, they have

(00:32):
to know that we were in the theater getting ready
to see Batman, and of course Rose and I just
you know, clutch each other just fully anticipating the Nicole
Kidman anti theaters and when it started there were definitely
some other queers in the theater because they applauded when
as soon as Nicole Kidman's the high heel hit the

(00:52):
ground hit. And then towards the end when Nicole Kidman says,
because here they are, the gaze at the back of
the theater wet. They are perfect units, perfect. It was
the best hone to set. It was. They were queering
the space. They were queering the space, as if Batman
isn't queer enough. All of this is to say that

(01:14):
today we're talking about Batman, both the new film The
Batman starring Robert Pattinson and Zoe Kravitz and also the
Batman and people that Mexicans, that the bad people of yesteryear.
Because this is like a virgin the show where we
give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose, damn you

(01:37):
and I'm fran Toronto, and uh, we are going to
be diving into the Tim Burton and Joel Schumacher eras
of Batman. But unlike Joel Schumacher, we will not be
discussing the ten thousand to twenty thousand people we have
slept with. Speak for yourself, babe, this is gonna be

(01:58):
this is This is a podcast first and foremost about
taking loads, taking an honor of Joel Schumacher ten to
twenty thousand loads, which is a really big gap to
Joel Schumacher's twenty thousand load weekends. But first, uh, there's
a whole other pile of garbage we have to sift
through from the week's news and pop culture mama Let's research.

(02:22):
As Gina Rodriguez one said, well, the most infuriating thing
that could have happened on the Drag Race episode on
Friday did happen. And I'm not just talking about the
fact that Apple TV Plus didn't add the episode for
a full forty eight hours after it premiered. Um, there

(02:44):
was a double save, which it doesn't matter who it is.
It could be the best drag queens who have ever
competed on the show. It could be two people I
know personally, I never want two people to be saved ever.
I want a double elimination. When I saw the double
save this week, I just I could hear and and
Crystal clearly imagine you destroying your furniture and your own home.

(03:09):
Just you told me what I saw you on Saturday.
You asked if i'd seen Drag Race set and I
said no, and he said, oh, you're gonna hate You're
gonna hate it. They're gonna be so mad. Um. Yeah,
there's nothing that's really investing me in this season of
Drag Race anymore in drag Race UK. Honestly, I just
want willow Hill to win so we can all go home.
The fatigue is real. Yeah, I think what's happening with

(03:32):
willow Hill is like so exciting, Like what a winner,
what a fierce competitor. I think that, you know, Algeria
is kind of fading into the middling ground territory. I'm
just and I think that this double save was just
like where are the steaks? Girls? Like where is like
my personal stake in this? And similarly with drag Race

(03:55):
UK Versus the World, it's like I don't really care
about who wins anymore, like it would be nice and
absolutely absolutely not, Like obviously this episode is going to
come out a full two days after the finale, so
none of none of this like even matters. But none
of it matters anyway because as soon as Pangina was eliminated,

(04:18):
I lost all interest in UK Versus the World. Yeah, oh,
did you see that Willow Hill came out as trans? Yes?
And I saw Herod's tweet The Herods Herod's tweet that
was like RuPaul realizing she cast four women on drag
Race and it's like the meme of the woman destroying
her house. Um yeah, I feel like some someone got

(04:41):
fired on the ranch for that one. Yeah, the dolls
are dolling because now we have it was started with
Carrie and corn Bread, then Jasmine, then Willow and I
guess Bosco as well, who I think is out as
trans feminine trans. So that's like that's like five how
many when were in this cast? I don't know. Also,

(05:03):
how are we still not at Snatch Game? And when
they said next week Snatch Game, I was like, I
was like yeah, I was like how And I am
like such a lover of drag Race, like unlike you, I,
I really do like it is something that I will
always always be excited to sit down and watch. But like, man,

(05:29):
I think that they're the production and like how these
seasons are spinning out is like not really keeping me
plugged into the characters. But anyways, willow Hill Supremacy yea.
I will also say last week something that I was
also too sick and dehydrated and exhausted to discuss, probably

(05:51):
to your delight, was the Euphoria finale. I'm so okay,
let let me go make a copee while this all
start talking to Oh my god, so now put your
headphones back on. She's literally leaving right now. Come on, Rose,
we need to make the podcast but for the virgins,

(06:12):
because I know there are a lot of virgins who
watch Euphoria, which is why it's worth discussing, and also
just like it's an amazing show to you. To me,
I felt like the finale was great, but I felt
like the play within a play was better. I felt

(06:33):
like the play within a play did was so successful
at making fun of Euphoria as a show, like making
fun of all the things that are really extreme about
literally euphoria the TV show, from the homo eroticism of
Nate to like how slutty all of these characters are too,

(06:54):
the really high stakes drama. Like it actually kind of
brought the show back to you. Even though obviously everyone's saying,
like the budget of this play is like absolutely crazy,
I felt like it was totally earned because, um, I
don't know when I you into an art school, I
went to an extremely arts driven school. Um, we had

(07:16):
sets that we're on like you know, macinated like rotators,
like we we and like I know that so did
we all, although we also did the thing a lot
where you have, um, one of those big rolling staircases
that that like stand in for for every possible type
of structure or whatever happened. Yeah, And that's the thing is,

(07:39):
like I think our high school imaginations are so active
that like our heightened sense of reality makes that experience
like like this is the best thing that's ever happening,
Like in our brains, it's like so so brilliant and
gorgeous and amazing, but like, when you actually look at it,
it's like a bunch of plywood painted by you know,

(08:00):
kids that were in detention, not in my school. You
had to, like, you had to sign up to paint
those sides. We had a shop class, but there weren't
enough people signed up for shop and so I think
detention kids also had to make our stage sets. But yeah,
I won't harpen it anymore other than to say that
I felt like all the empathy that I was like

(08:20):
led to feel about Lexi, I really did not feel
for this whole season until her play, and then I
felt like her play totally earned all of this character
development that we had been witnessing. And yeah, I just
totally enjoyed it, even if if we love to see
him a nepotism baby succeeding good from Apata. Were you,

(08:41):
I guess satisfied with the end of the season. I
felt like there was an over emphasis on Lexi in
the last half of the finale. I kind of wanted
to go back to more core characters um but that
the episode really landed with Lexians and Day. But overall,
the big takeaways honestly are one that Nate has a

(09:05):
recurring nightmare that he's getting fucked by his dad. They
shall flash of it at some point and unfortunately, um
it was it was kind of hot. And and the
other thing was that did you know the Alexa Demi
it's actually pronounced Alexa Demi. I didn't, but I guess
like she was born in like nineteen twenties barrets, so

(09:28):
that makes sense, right, Yeah, yeah, when she co wrote
the Declaration of Independence, she said it's Demi, not which
she emerged from the Primordials when she actually cracked open
the continents from from the from Alexa Alexa Demi was

(09:54):
actually the meteor that killed the dinosaurs. Absolutely, But yeah,
that that those are all of my euphoria not so
hot takes that are you know? Weeks late? Great, So
very excited to not ever talk about Euphoria again. And
like there's not going to be another season anytime soon, right, Well,

(10:15):
this second season we had to wait for a really
long time because of the pandemic, so we actually might
get a third season sooner than you think, babe. Oh god,
that's horrible. Well, I spent my Sunday night watching Fresh,
which is a new Hulu movie starring Sebastian Stand a

(10:35):
k a. The Winter Soldier and Daisy Edgar Jones, who
was in Normal People The Sally Rooney TV Show with
Phoebe Bridgers boyfriend. And I loved it. I had like
been wanting to watch it, and then I saw a
TikTok where someone was reviewing it and saying it was
really good but that the ending was bad. And I

(10:56):
watched the movie and like was waiting for the ending
to be bad, and it like it really wasn't. I
actually really liked the ending. So don't trust everything you
see on TikTok. But so it is about this girl
who is kind of a loner and she means she's
like having all these horrible tender dates and then meets
Sebastian stand in a grocery store and they start dating

(11:21):
and then he asked if she wants to go away
for the weekend, and they go to his house upstate
and he said that he's a doctor, and like she
he takes her to his house and drugs her and
she wakes up chained up in his basement because he
sells human flesh on the black market to really wealthy people.

(11:42):
Is this like a gooey gory kind of horror? Is
it more art artful kind of It's like it's actually
like pretty funny and it's not too graphic, Like I
would not have gotten funny from what you describe. No,
it's funny. It loves Like. One of the interesting things
was that the title card of the movie doesn't happen

(12:03):
for like twenty minutes, so like you get there full
like rum com you know, meet cute dating, blah blah blah,
and then like twenty minutes in when she wakes up
chained up in the basement, then like the title card
and the credits come on, so it's like now the
movie has actually started. Um. The gore is not too graphic. Um.

(12:25):
There's one scene where he cuts her ass off because
she's been bad, um, and you kind of see it.
And there's obviously a lot of scenes of him like
carving up human flesh and eating it. But you know,
there's one scene where he like walks in from a

(12:46):
run and you know how like some people have things
of purshudo that are like it just like like a
wheel in their kitchen. He has like a human leg
that he just like takes a little sliver or not
an Erico ham woman. Yeah, it's it's very that. Yeah,
but I really liked it. I mean, obviously I like

(13:08):
a dark, twisted, beautiful fantasy. It reminds me a little
bit of Perfume. Do you remember that book slash movie. Yeah.
It also reminded me a lot of my favorite book
from last year, A Certain Hunger by Chelsea G. Summers,
which is also about cannibalism and is like sort of funny.
There's not a single cannibal cultural object that will escape you,
that's for sure, absolutely not. But um Sebastian stand was

(13:30):
really good in it. He was very like I think
I forgot from him playing a superhero for so long
that he is very good at being a like douche villain.
Allah his turn on Gossip Girl, and he was very
sinister but very hot. Oh my god, he could take
a bite out of me anytime. We cannibals are hot,
just like cannibals. Cannibals are hot. And I thought the

(13:52):
ending was very satisfying. I really liked it. Definitely would recommend.
It's just like, you know, fun little movie, and it's
on Hulu. Why not. The two satisfying things that I
watched in my flu hayes were Shiva Baby very belated,
but I didn't realize that it was streamable on HBO Max.

(14:12):
Also something that I unfortunately left off of my best
of Wow, that makes complete sense because it felt like
you wrote it, um. But the gist is almost graduating
from college. Girl is like at a shiva and she
sees her sugar daddy who she didn't know was married
and has a kid, and also her ex girlfriend. And

(14:35):
the story is fully contained in that house of the Shiva,
which is I think a brilliant conceit. It's a really
great movie. We love Rachel Snatt also stars Diana a Gronk,
a Taylor Swiss rumored ex girlfriend. No wait really, I
didn't know that. In music news, Florence and the Machine
dropped another song today, which was and it's it's like

(14:58):
under two minutes. It's just like a little little tease.
And I am eating my words of saying that Florence
was doing when all the other girls weren't by putting
out a four minute song last week. Well, this one's
for the talk. Yeah, I don't I don't know if
this one's going to wind up as a TikTok sound yeah,
you don't think that breath the yodeling will transcend to

(15:20):
the TikTok generation. Okay, let's not. Let's not. I'm not
being reductive. I say that as a compliment. Literally, like
you're all of your favorite artists are breathy yodelers, Bush,
Fiona Apple, Florence welch Um, Alanis Morrissa, like literally all
of them. Okay, you might, you might have a point.

(15:41):
You might have. The other movie that I wanted to
quickly endorse, just because I didn't think I would be
endorsing this movie was three months starring Choice Von and
Judy Greer. Thank God, another really simple slice of life
movie about a guy who is like waiting to find
if he has HV or not, which usually takes three

(16:02):
months time after you've been exposed. A movie made a
decade too late, But like, I feel like that's not
the fall of the movie. I'm sure that it was
pitched like ten years ago um and has taken this
long to get created. But I just wasn't prepared to
like the movie because I felt like the conceit was
kind of I mean, it sounds off off paper, like

(16:23):
a little basic, but the characters are so rich and
I did ugly cry because there's some really good grandma
stuff in it, um and I love Grandma content um
and the I think the emotions and relationships of each
character were so um real to me, Like I felt
like I was totally back in high school. So I

(16:45):
do recommend it. It's on Paramount plus. I did have
to borrow someone else's Paramount plus password, but you can
go ahead and do that too, and it's definitely worth it.
I won't know, I'm saying you the Virgins. So today

(17:13):
we're talking about Batman because last night we saw the Batman. Oh,
it's the Batman. It's the Batman. That's a stylistic choice,
of course, of course, um and I think we had both.
How did you go into this movie? Like you had
seen reviews and stuff? But yeah, I was thinking. I
was very excited. I've been excited since we saw the

(17:34):
first set photos of Zoe, Um and Robert, but like
mainly Zoe, Zoe was a moment. Um. Yeah, I was excited.
I've never been like Batman. I'm not like a Batman girl,
like right or die of I think of all the superheroes,
not necessarily my faith, but this one I was very

(17:55):
excited for because I like, I guess like in recent years,
bat And has been even less of the superhero that
I've been interested in. And I think that's like when
bad when when when Ben Affleck's playing him, I'm just
it's not the vibe. And I think not the vibe
with the kind of the ramping up of the m
c U in general, it just requires so much of
our kind of cultural attention. Of course, something as big

(18:18):
as Batman could even fade into the distance. And I
also I think it's probably because I just like I
am not really interested in the d C movies. UM,
So I was happy for something that seemed like a
soft reboot of that or I guess a hard reboot man.
Um And I really liked the movie shockingly, I mean

(18:38):
maybe not shockingly, but I went into it with virtually
no expectations, Like all my expectations were for Zoe, and
the rest of the movie was kind of inconsequential to me.
And you know, you and I agree that this movie,
I mean, why is it three hours long? Like? Why?
That's the first thing that that you should know, um,
everyone listening is that this movie is three hours long,

(19:00):
and it fields three hours, not in a bad way.
I did not pee once. Yes, I could not, could never,
although I was pissing in my mind the whole time,
I was pissing spiritually. But it's very long, and if
you do need to take a pea break, I would

(19:20):
suggest going during the car chase, I think because it's
in the trailer and you can skip it. They did
ruin kind of one of the best scenes of the movie.
They really overexposed that that car chase, which I thought
was so amazing to watch in theaters. It was very fun.
But but you can definitely if you have to pee,
pe during that. If I were to recommend a pre
pea break, I would say in the last third of

(19:41):
the movie, you know, there's a lot you can't make
it that long. If like the car chase is like
a good midway points on practical reasons, maybe it doesn't
make sense. However, in the last third of the movie,
there is a lot of you know, my least favorite
parts of the movie, which is a room where just
two people are talking and there's a lot of Batman
in the Yeah, said, did go on for kind of
a long and also, um, well, well I don't want

(20:04):
to get into the nitty gritty of the plot, but
basically there's a lot of exposition that happens the last
they're to kind of tie together a few missing parts
of this riddle, if you will. We don't have to
get into like the specifics of the plot, but I
think a general overview is that this is a Batman
movie that takes place two years into Bruce Wayne's new

(20:24):
career as a vigilante masked crusader who everyone he like
always refers to himself as Vengeance. UM, so he's like
I been around and for like what a few years,
for two years, And I think one of the things
that I liked the most about this movie was that

(20:46):
it's not an origin story, but this is not a
fully realized Batman, So you're like dropped into his career
of crime fighting, but he's still not the best at it.
He makes a lot of mistakes. One of my favorite
moments of the movie is actually when the car chase

(21:07):
is about to happen, Batman is like busting up a
drug deal and he's trying to like intimidate the penguin
by revving up the Batmobile, and then just as he's
about to like go after him the Batmobile stalls and
it's like very funny and also like, I just like
the idea that he hasn't got his ship figured out.

(21:29):
It was. It was also a nice little spin on
the Batmobile reveal, which is something that happens in almost
all of the franchises, Like and you know, I liked
that it twisted the ways that we saw that. And
this batmobile did kind of look like um, the that
like Elon Musk tesla, you know, like the one that
he was driving around New York with Grimes in the back. No,

(21:53):
it was also reminiscent of kind of the tank batmobile
that was. No, let's not let's own or as he
Lex Luthor, if Elon Musk is Batman and Grimes is Madonna?
Did you see the Grimes audition for the Madonna biopic?
Is Grimes cut woman? Or maybe Grimes is poison Ivy?
Grimes would be poithon Ivy, but like would completely betray

(22:15):
her kind of lady freed what I pulled her plug
this other one woman though? Well, speaking of Grimes, Batman
was kind of rocking Grimes makeup. Let's start with the
emo pica. Yeah, what do you think she was using?
My eye definitely. I did like that. There was one
scene where he was putting the makeup on I want

(22:36):
the full tutorial, Yeah, as a smudgy Pat McGrath kind
of like dark under eye moment um. One of the
first things that we reacted to in this movie was
how emo he was. The emoification of Robert Pattinson. Not
that this is the first time he's been email exactly,
you know, well that's kind of why he was giving

(22:56):
very much. I chimed in with the haven't you people
ever heard of closing the goddamn door? You know? Yeah,
the penguin comes and he goes, is it to me
that makes you sweatin um? Yeah, I I feel like
you and I immediately were like, this is like so
like overtly emo, Like it's not you and I are
very like, you know, uh, we like to be ir
reverend in our takes and like kind of digesting of

(23:18):
like superhero movies, but it really is explicitly like there
was this kind of what was the song that was
playing when we first see there? It was a Nirvana
song and he's got the smudgy makeup and like Robert
Pattinson already has that like kind of sensitive, like fragile
guy kind of thing. I think this was the most

(23:38):
punk Batman had a cyberpunk vibe, especially in the scenes
that took place in Penguin's Club, which I want to
go to that club two thousand and fourteen. Me would
have lived in that club. Yes, I loved I mean
the Penguin. Let's get into the Penguin as well, because
like I love the club Penguin. Colin Farrell in a
fat suit. Unfortunately, Win Farrell in a fat suit? Why

(24:01):
Hollywood persists in giving you know, prestige actors fat suits.
Speaking of I just have to ask, have you ever
seen Colin Farrell's sex tape. I didn't even know that existing.
Oh my god, girl, you have to watch it. He's
like he's going down on this girl. He's like I
could eat this pushing for breakfast, say that he does
very famously. I didn't know that. Yeah, wow, who I

(24:25):
mean not to not to like glorify in someone's privacy
being invaded, but like that's it's it's a very good
sex tape. Something. Okay, we're jimming around a lot, But
like I have to say about the Penguin of it
all that like Colin Farrell is basically doing a Danny
de Vito impression. I think it's hard to do the
penguin and not do a Danny de Vito impression, but

(24:47):
was still unfortunately amazing, so good, so good, so made
us laugh out loud so many times. And um, I
will say it is kind of um disorienting to have
Colin Farrell where this fat suit and half like these
like you know, decrepit scars all over his face, but
then he has his like gooey dreamboat eyes. Still very

(25:08):
distract You did clock that maybe the penguin was gay
because of the club he owned and also the TWINKSI employers. Yes,
it was playing really good techno music, like Rose approved
techno music, but you're very picky about techno music. And
you Rose said that like as far as the club
scenes go, club scenes across the board in any movie
are done terribly. Yeah, like they don't. People who make

(25:31):
club scenes have probably never been in a club most
of the time. Yeah. I think that the last good
club scene before this was, um, the beginning of the
first Matrix movie. Oh I haven't. I actually will need
to revisit um. But this club was so well done
and it was uncie and like should exist. But the
fact that the penguin was kind of this mob boss,
corrupt club owner that didn't really have the gadgets and

(25:53):
gizmos of previous penguins that we've seen. He was not
shooting bullets out of an umbrella. Let's say, it made
him scary year and more real. I think that that
is kind of an overall thing about this iteration of
Batman in general is a lot of the different forms
of villainy and heroism were down to the roots, down
to what very actually in reality, Like Batman's tools are

(26:16):
also much more rudimentary, like they're there are things that could,
you know, in theory maybe almost exist, you know, like
as opposed to like except for the part where he
was like a flying squirrel, well, I mean that although
you can do that, you can do that. And I
liked that it flopped. He he fucked up. That was
really cool. Okay, So for the listeners, like, there is

(26:38):
a scene where Robert Patinson is trying to escape off
of like a tall skyscraper. He has a moment where
he's like, oh, funk, like I'm really high up, and
you see Batman afraid of heights, which is so cool.
But then he just jumps. He gasped, and he looks
you gasped very loud. I guess I'm a very reactive
movie watching it for you. But it's really really embarrassing.
It's not unfortunate. I love thank you. That's really sweet.

(27:00):
But I'm glad you do with it because I just gasped.
So but well, because we see almost every movie together,
you know, I've gotten used to it. But he looks
ridiculous as a flying squirrel, Like, it looks so kind
of stupid, but I'm glad it does kind of put
It does kind of put you into how scary that

(27:21):
would be to like jump in the building. Which is
another thing I did like about this movie is that
a lot of it kind of felt like a video game,
especially the scene where so um, once Batman has met
and kind of teamed up with Catwoman, he sends her
into Penguins Club to do reconnaissance for him using these
contact lenses that are cameras, and that felt very like

(27:43):
kind of first person video gaming, and I think it
helps you feel kind of like dropped into Batman's world,
which I thought was cool. I also think this is
a very good comic book movie like it felt kind
of Frank Millery. Um, if you've ever I don't know
if you've read any of the older Batman comics, Like

(28:05):
I'm not like super well versed in comics, but this
did give me kind of like eighties era, very like
noir e Batman vibes as opposed to Big C g I,
Spectacle Superhero Shenanigan. It was no air. It was moody,
noirri shadowy like se of the film was shot through

(28:25):
like wet glass, pretty much like there was a smoky,
kind of broody like film over the whole thing. It
looked so cool. The lighting was amazing, all of the
red lighting. The music was incredible, the music for so
beautiful haunting. Yeah, And I think that like characters like

(28:46):
Colin Ferrell's Penguin or Danny de Vito's Penguin rather also
lent itself to that noir element, like his. The reveal
of Penguin starts with it. He goes like, um, like
day it easy, sweet at or something like that, and
he sounds like exactly like Danny DeVito, but it's still
the way he delivers it is so noir, you know
what I mean. And I think that that's very video

(29:06):
gave me and like it kind of. I don't want
to say camp because like you know, fact, it's call
everything campy. Well, I don't think there was really anything
camp about this. Yeah, I'm saying that he was the
most cartoonish character in this film. Everyone else played a
more human kind of um understated version of the character,
like Zoe Kravitz for example. You know who I thought

(29:27):
was excellent so phenomenal is the first Catwoman. I would
say that was effortless, you know what I mean because
all these other Catwoman's which are all amazing. I like,
I literally yes, cat women people, cat people, if you will,
I love every iteration, even Halle Berry's Catwoman, Like, I
will love to wat them that. When we were driving,

(29:51):
it's like, yeah, I was, I was thinking about that.
It is very like I mean, honestly, Rob Rob Pattinson
was giving a little bat them with those with that,
he was giving a little fluid beauty, the first non
binary batman. I love that. Actually, would watch I feel like,

(30:14):
you know, you get earth this kind of and you
have Michelle Fifer, which is doing the most, and then
you have Catwoman, which is like the Razzy Award winner
to see Zoe Kravitz come in and she really is
just the sexy, cool catwoman that doesn't have an element
of camp to her. I was surprised but delighted because
she was on that Like there was this stupid article
written about an interview she gave about how she like

(30:35):
licked milk from a bowl to prepare for this roll
or whatever, and I was like, and she she like,
I absolutely would watch, but there's no way it was
whole milk. It had to have been. It was. It was.
It was an alternative, yeah, because that girl is not
drinking a whole milk. But like, I was like so
surprised to hear, like, oh, I watched like feeling behavior

(30:55):
videos and like all the stuff to prepare for the role.
She was very slinky, but none of that, none of
that really showed up in her. It was just part
of her process and for the better. Like it's we
didn't like I thought that. Honestly, the people that created
the Catwoman movie did Halle Berry so dirty by making
her slurp up sushi and like lick milk from a bowl.
And it's just like like I'm glad that we got

(31:17):
a Zoe that didn't have to do any of that catch. Yeah,
she was mostly just sexy. Um she was giving kind
of Natalie Portman in Closer. Um lying is the most
funny girl canna have without taking her clothes off. And
oh she had these nails that through the entire movie.
I was like, those are very impractical when you're parkouring
around of like, uh, you know fire she was parkouring

(31:41):
was well Batman, but truly at its core, all Batman
films are about Parker, Yes, Parker in hand to hand
combat because Batman refuses. I forgot that Beatman refuses to
use a gun. That that's like he's like, no guns,
but let me beat the ship out of teenage, which
actually and won't get to other Batman's later, But I

(32:03):
was watching clips of Anna Hathaway as Catwoman last night
and there's a part where Christian Bale goes no good
and Anne Hathaway goes, where's the fun? In that. Gotham

(32:28):
very much felt like a character in this movie. I
got a better idea of what the city was totally
u than other Batman movies, because I think the Christopher
Nolan Batman movies it's just kind of like a caricature
of like a bad city. Yeah it is, and this
Gotham felt very realized and like did feel more like

(32:51):
a version of New York rather than like downtown Toronto
as it does in you know, Christopher Nolan movie. Right.
I wish they had done and they made a little
more effort to make Gotham Square Garden look a little
less like Madison Square Arden. But I think that does
kind of the work of like you having to like
fill in the blanks with your mind to spend disbelief,

(33:12):
right exactly, and like I bought into it for like
a lot of the movie, and like, aside from the
fact that I do think that Zoe kravitz manicure was
all wrong, Like I felt like the nail shape was wrong,
and what should it have been? Where to have like
a square nail? No, they were like her nails were
to the nail shape was too wide for her finger

(33:34):
and we're very claw like I know, but they could
have been thinner. And I feel like she should have
had a cult, she should have some like chrome on there,
like a designer like it could have been if it
was like more real, I would have imagined some nail art,
you know what I mean she was though, like, oh
like even at the end when she was fleeing the city,
full eye makeup look yes, oh yeah, and full like

(33:56):
she was like, I am running from the law, but
I definitely have time to sit down and do a
cut cream to put a cut crease, um smudgy, a
smudgy mascara and U Urban TK glitterliner and the Glossier
lid star. She was not using classier. You know. I
did recently watch the Zoe Kravitz Um the Beauty Secrets video,

(34:18):
and that woman wears virtually no makeup. So I don't
know why the book because she's perfect. She's literally perfect. Um.
She is putting on her cat I um, but it's
like a dark brown instead of a black, so you
can barely see it. And she puts on what is
like basically like a quarter of a centimeter of like
a little catta and she just like smears it barely
with her fingers, like you can barely. She's like high voke,

(34:39):
here's how I look beautiful. And she just looks in
the mirror and she's like done. End of story. Yeah.
She talks a lot about like natural deodor and as well. Yeah,
I get that. Vibe incredible. It's a great it's a
great video. Do you think she owns a pair of
Tom's shoes? No, I think she's one point. I'm sure.
I'm sure you did. Shockingly didn't. But like Tom Shoes

(35:03):
was absolutely my culture at the time that they came out.
I love Zoe and everything that she's in. You know
what I really loved that I'm very sad did not
get renewed was the High Fidelity show on Hulu. I
didn't get renewed. I know it was canceled after one.
I honestly have not been on the Zoe Kravitz prior
to this movie. I've always admired her as a celebrity,

(35:26):
but I don't really remember her performances outside. Well, she's
she's yeah, she's usually kind of just like functional, you know,
she's there, she's doing her job. Yeah. And then of
course Robert, I mean, well, as everyone knows, this is
a Twilight stand podcast speaking of it, and you know,

(35:46):
if the past year has proven anything, it's that every
tongue that rises against Twilight shell fall. Look at the
stars of Twilight now one of them is nominated for
Best Actress at the Oscars and the other one is Batman,
and I will say, and this is someone who doesn't
care about Rob Pattinson. Sorry, Rob Pattinson. I think this

(36:07):
is the best work of his career so far. Like,
and you'll disagree because it's Twilight. As you might say,
Twilight is the best work of his career, but it's
my favorite. I don't know about best I would, but
I I loved I thought he totally disappeared into this Batman.
I completely forgot who he was. And he's such a
you know, if we talk about like star versus actress,

(36:28):
like he is more of a star, you know, like
he is more of like someone who people talk more
about the tabloids of Rob Pattinson than they do about
his actual acting. But that's why they earned this. Yeah,
that's why I think Batman is a very good role.
Because Batman is a character. It is very opaque, and
I think Rob Pattinson is a person who, because of

(36:49):
the tabloid first surrounding him verse whole career, has had
to make himself into that, like, has had to give
away very little of himself. So I think he's slatted
very well into the role of this like billionaire vigilante
who and that was something that we were talking about
after the movie last night, is that this is a

(37:10):
Batman movie that, more than any of them, like attempts
to reckon with Batman and Bruce Wayne's privilege in a way.
There there is a part where where Catwoman Selena Kyle says, like,
you know, you're just like a privileged asshole and you
know you none, none of these like white men are
going to get what's coming to them. And it's good

(37:31):
that she says that, and I like that it's brought up.
I think it could have been explored a little bit more.
I you know, I said to you, I wished that
Zoe hadn't used the word privilege, Like I wish they
hadn't written the word privilege. But it's so cheap. Yeah,
but in this kind of movie that's going to be
seen by like the dumbest of the dumb people, like

(37:52):
you have to spell it out that explicitly. There were
other ways to do it. I think that when I
watched previous Batman movies, I'm like, it's so I just
feel like the fatal flaw of Batman is that he
is a ba billionaire and like it's just there's nothing
really that interesting. It's that's never investigated or made interesting
in any of the previous films. So I like that
they kind of prodded at that. I have to say. Also,

(38:14):
I mean, before we dive into like the capitalism of Batman,
like that on on the broody like kind of nature
of like Rob Pattinson. I like that even though he
didn't overplay anything, he was still you know, stoic and
inhuman and that kind of like, you know, totally stone
faced like Batman, we still got this kind of fragile

(38:35):
emo guy out of him just because of what Rob
Pattinson looks like. Well, it was very like um, it
was almost like when he was out of the bat suit,
he was like exposed, like a turtle without its shell,
and then it was only when he was in the
suit that he like came alive in a way. My
one critique on the bat suit is that, I mean,

(38:55):
aside from the fact that it should have had nipples,
is that the helmet accentuated Rob Pattinson's already alarmingly triangular head,
and it made his head look even more triangular. I
thought it was hot. The bottom half of his face
looked great. But also like I totally disagree with facial
recognition where it is now. He just realistically, and I

(39:16):
know this is a movie they have to show his face,
but like the jig would have been up if that
much of his space was exposed. And also people are
shooting at him all the time, and and it would
have been very easy for a stray bullet to like
explode the bottom half of his face. You would think
that they would have found a movie magic way to
kind of address that by this point, but you know,
it's Batman's fantasy. But yeah, did you know that um

(39:40):
Rob Pattinson wore George Clooney's batsuit for his screen test
with Zoe Kravitz. That's hot, and he wore apparently sweatpants
on the bottom. You know what I you know what
I was thinking watching this movie is what does Batman
do in the summer? Like? Does he does? He? Does? He?
Like it doesn't have a sleeveless batsuit. Maybe his pits

(40:02):
are exposed because you know, it's all well and good
to be running around in that suit like in the
dead of winter. And I imagine even when it's sub
zero outside, your crotch probably gets a little sweaty. But
when it's a hundred degrees in Gotham, he can't be
running around in the cape. Maybe it's that kind of
you know, Uniclode heat tech that's like very breathable, you know,

(40:23):
like he could have some kind of cooling system there.
He is very wealthy, but but it is so he's
got to be so hot. Also, let's talk about the
fact that Batman had a vibe with not one, but
two men in this movie. I mean, you you think
you always think that, but I do always think that.
But I think there was a vibe with him and
Detective Gordon, and then he also had a vibe with Alfred. Yeah,

(40:47):
I didn't I caught the Gordon vibe. I didn't catch
that there was a daddy vibe with Alfred. It was daddy.
It was it was daddy. It's so funny that, actually,
when it comes down to it, every Batman movie is
high key about daddy issues. All superhero movies about daddy
issues and also mommy issues. Like that was the thing

(41:07):
with with Selena Kyle is like you find out that
her whole trauma comes back to her mom and her dad.
Well daddy issues too. Yeah, I think that that, honestly,
I mean again, I really loved this movie. I think
the first thing I said to you when he walked
out of the theater is like, it's a totally worthy
Batman movie. And I thought, well, cast um, but would

(41:30):
have been a much more compelling film if we haven't
already gone through ten Batman movies in our lifetime, like
and I felt like more more, Yeah, definitely probably. And
I felt like, you know, a lot of Christopher Nolan's
iteration of Batman was, you know, helping us figure out
more about what Batman's motivations are, what makes him tick,

(41:53):
like what hit? What is kind of behind Batman's psyche,
and like whether he's good or bad? Well you got
a little of that in his monologue that built the
beginning and the end of the film, which you didn't
love so much. I didn't love the monologues, but the
monologues are very Batman. I just felt like, I just
felt like my issue was that the monologues, which were

(42:16):
also very broody and philosophical and kind of played to
this smokey existential loan cowboy is he good or is
he good? Is he good or is he bad? Batman
just kind of regurgitated a lot of what The Dark
Knight was like or not regurgitated, but it felt like
what The Dark Knight had already explored and to go
back to where we were, what we were talking about.

(42:38):
I think what the film did that was completely new
was start to investigate this conversation of I don't even
want to say privilege again because it's so cheap, but
I think that the notion of was Batman's dad corrupt?
And is that something that Batman now has to reconcile
with and like, what is my function as Batman in
the totality of society when the villains are sometimes kind

(43:01):
of right about this, you know what I mean? Yeah,
which which was like that whole idea is played with
with the Riddler and his followers because through the whole movie,
Batman is saying I am vengeance. I am vengeance. And
then at the end of the movie, one of the
Riddlers followers says, when Batman says, who are you, he says,
I am vengeance. So like this whole idea that like

(43:23):
there is a very thin line between who's the hero
who's the villain, and like Batman is the hero of
his story and some other people's stories, but you know,
so are these people who think they're saving Gotham in
a different way? Um? And this is I think something
that that all Batman media explores. Um. And also like

(43:45):
I think depending on who is playing Batman and who
is directing, you get a little bit more one way
or another, because like you know, you think about Michael
Keaton and like the Tim Burton movies, there's no question
of whether Batman is a hero because like because of
how cartoonish it is. Yeah, it's a flattening of a
lot of that franchise, which I guess like we can
maybe talk a little bit about some of the other

(44:08):
ba Batman. And like why Batman, of all the superheroes,
there are the most Batman movies And I wonder why
that is, Like is it because Batman is the most
self insert superhero character? Like because I was thinking about
in this movie, you know, outside of Batman, like Bruce

(44:31):
Wayne is such a nonentity, you know, he's just his
like his personality is like it's only the top line.
It's like rich superhero. So is that why especially these
male directors and studios come back to Batman again and
again because he is the superhero that it's most easy

(44:53):
for probably like a male audience member to imagine themselves as.
And maybe that's why Also this movie felt a little
bit like video game me because you know, like you
may you maybe can't imagine yourself as like Iron Man
or Thor or Superman is easily, but like you can
put yourself in the mode of like what if I
was really rich and had the money to like go

(45:15):
out in the streets with a mask on and fight crime? Yeah?
What would like? What? Yeah? And I think that this
film specifically, I sought to like investigate that. Um, I
don't know. I when I think about like the Batman's
of Yore, I think, I don't know who's your favor Well,
my favorite Batman movie is Batman and Robin, because I

(45:39):
mean it was very formative for me as a kid.
Poison Ivy specifically, like has influence has influenced so much
of me as a person in terms of things that
I consumed. I was so drawn, as I told lady
when I pulled her plug, this is the one woman show.
I love that movie. I was always drawn to like
the evil fam I like loved mal Officent growing up. Um,

(46:01):
I loved you know, Poison Ivy I felt like there
was something I didn't catch on to the parts of
the movie that were like bad because I was like,
what eight or whatever. So I just enjoyed it purely
as human. Of course, we watch it as an adult.
We watch it because it's kind of a so good
it's bad movie. But I still love it, like unconditionally. Um,

(46:22):
in terms of who my favorite bat Man is, I'm
gonna be crazy and say that Rob Pattinson is my
favorite Batman so far. I get it. And this is
someone who doesn't even care that much about Rob Pattinson,
But I think I just liked that his his kind
of like pasty, almost schleppy, kind of white guy thing

(46:42):
was uh, something very new, and he leaned into it.
He leaned into this kind of he felt almost pathetic
at times when he was just Bruce, he felt kind
of pathetic. He was hot, and I was into that.
I like George Queeney's Batman as well, but like, no,
it really is Robbed for me and I and UM.
I also will say when there's a moment in the

(47:05):
beginning of the movie where you see you know Batman,
he Bruce like takes off his shirt and he sees
the scars on his back, but he still looks kind
of like pasty skinny Rob Pattinson and I turned to
Rose and I was like, I wonder if they spray
panted his abs this time like they did in Twilight.
Was it the second or the Moon? Because right, Rob

(47:25):
famously hates working out. Okay, and then later in the
last third of the movie, he takes off his shirt
and Mama, they put him to work. He is up,
he was, he was hitting that pre workout every day.
He's multiple. He's chugging that muscle milk, probably the same
one that I am just full body chills every time
I drink this disgusting protein shape. Well, my favorite Batman

(47:48):
is Michael Keaton, and my favorite Batman movie is Batman Returns.
Um And honestly it might be my favorite superhero movie
is Batman Returns, the one with Michelle Peifer. Okay, of course,
of course, so Tim Burton, right, yeah, Okay, that is
the most Tim Burton of the Batman movies. I think
it's I think it's the best marriage of comic book

(48:14):
cartoon superhero and big budget blockbuster superhero legitimate action movie. Yes,
it's very fun, it is campy, but not too much.
It's very dark, it's very sexy. I like, I have
a lot of formative childhood like sexual memories around Michelle
Peiffer as Catwoman, and I think her and Michael Keaton

(48:38):
have incredible chemistry in that movie. Which was my critique
of The Batman, which you disagree on. But I felt
like Zoe and Rob didn't really have any romantics. I
thought they had seen I thought they had sexual chemistry.
I thought they wanted to fuck. But I will say
Batman returns Fox Fox. Yeah, that that that really. I

(49:01):
think I would have loved to see the sexual tension
between Batman and Catwoman earned the way it is with
Michelle Phifer. But Michelle Phiffer can have sexual tension with
literally anything like that. Trash can like that. Like Michelle
could just have a full romp with But I don't know.
It was just the k There were two kisses in
this movie, and neither of them were it. They were

(49:21):
a little unearned, like it was very much that they
had sexual they were into each other just because the
movie decided they were exactly But it still worked for me.
But and and regardless, I did gasp loudly both times.
Probably whereas in that in Batman Returns, like you you

(49:41):
see Batman and Catwoman vibe with each other, and you
see Bruce Wayne and Selena Kyle vibe with each other,
right exactly. Yeah, yeah, and and there, and I thought
the relationship between Bruce and Selena felt more like they
had had more to do with each other, where in

(50:03):
previous iterations of Catwoman, she just kind of shows up
and steals her own stuff and does her own thing,
and it's just kind of an additional villain where Zoe
Kravitz and Bruce have to kind of work together. I
think Anne Hathaway has to work with Batman but still
betrays him right multiple times. Yeah, I from the super
cut that I watched on YouTube last night. I think so,

(50:26):
because that is the thing with Catwoman, and it's why
that she is very hard to categorize, Like she's not
always a villain, She's definitely not a hero. She her
allegiances to herself above everything, and it depends when that
aligns with other people's interests then she will align herself
with them. And this Batman movie, the Batman, she I

(50:50):
think was a you know, we saw her reckon with
like wanting to kill who turned out to be her father,
the mob guy. But I think she was like a
little too on the inside. I could have used maybe
like if she had teamed up with the Riddler at
some point or like been implicated in what he was doing,
because I like when Catwoman, you know, betrays Batman a

(51:12):
little bit. I think that's fun to play with. Yeah,
I feel like when I think about like Anne Hathaway
as Catwoman, which I didn't is a great performance, but
not a I don't think a good movie, and not
a good Catwoman. In my opinion, it's certainly not a
memorable movie because I remember nothing about it, but I
I rewatched it in Quarantine, and and Hathaway was the

(51:32):
most watchful part in my opinion. And she and they
end up together at the end. They do, they will
they the Romans run away together. The romances hammered down
more from what I remember, um, But I like that
throughout the history of Catwoman there is this kind of
zany irreverence that I think Anne Hathaway does very well,
that you know, Zoe kind of you know, took out

(51:56):
of the role that was still really enjoyable. But I
obviously my face her Catwoman of all time, aside from
Michelle Feifer is earth Kit, who took it on after
I think Julie Newmar, but like which she did her
I think I feel like she was probably cast because
by this point in her career, purring was already her thing,

(52:19):
and so they were like, who's that celebrity that purrs? Ah, yeah, Eartha.
I actually don't know that, or maybe like she only
started purring because of Catwoman, that might make more sense. No,
I think it's I actually do think it's the latter.
I've I've read like one and a half of um
Earth Kids biography, so you'd think I would know this UM,
but they're so sensationalized and ghest written as well, so

(52:40):
it doesn't even matter. But like when Eartha was on
TV as Catwoman, this is at a time when like,
you know, Jet magazine is still like the back page
of Jet is like you know, every black person that's
going to be on TV that week or something like
There's it was such a scarcity mentality of like I
guess representation at the time, and and and so Eartha's

(53:02):
place in superhero TV shows was so much more meaningful
to like audience members, and her performance is obviously so iconic.
But what I loved about Zoe was that it was
almost meaningful, like like representation didn't matter. Really, this is

(53:33):
bringing us very nicely into like the Tim Burton Joel
Schumacher era of Batman movies, which are very you and me.
We did actually watch We watched Batman Forever. Yeah, you
had never seen it, Yes, which is the thing that
led me to buy you a taser for Christmas, which
you then immediately threatened. Yeah. Um. And I think that
that is honestly part of the reason I feel so

(53:55):
exhausted by Batman movies. Why I was a little salty
about this Batman movie, even though I really loved it,
was like, I do miss the cartoonish stylings of that
era of movies, and I want to see that kind
of like play and that zany irreverence of previous films

(54:17):
injected into new superheroes. And I feel like they do
it with like a a Venom or maybe like a
Deadpool or something like that. But Guardians of the Galaxy
does that a little too. Yeah, but the movie, but
movies in general, especially big superhero movies, just take themselves
so seriously and the kind of would have I wouldn't
have minded a punchline in this Batman, but it was

(54:37):
like the most unfunny Batman, like, like the only funny
parts were Colin Ferrell's penguin. Um, and that was kind
of it. I could have used as I told Lady
Freeze when I pulled her plug moment, yeah, or some
like Harley Quinn essence you would Well, there was a
there was a rumor at least I saw one TikTok
saying that UM a variant of her of Harley Quinn

(55:01):
maybe still UM like pre Harley Quinn, Dr Harley and
Quinzel was going to show up in one of the
Arkham scenes. But that obviously didn't happen. But spoiler, I mean,
this whole podcast has been a spoiler. But like Joker
shows up. Was it Joker or was it to face
he makes a joke about being a clown he made

(55:23):
he made that joke about it. Had it was definitely Joker,
which I was. That was like the peak of my
It was the final the third hour of the movie,
the peak of my exhaustion. I was just like I
ten ten to fifteen Batman movies. I've seen hundreds of
villains to pick from in this franchise, and I was
I loved the Riddler coming back. I thought it was fine,

(55:46):
but like he was no Jim Carrey though Jim Carrey,
and he was no Riddler from um Harley Quinn, who
I love, I don't even oh my god, wait, we
have to talk about the Harley Quinn Show. But before
I just I just felt like when we finally saw
this hint of Joker and in my opinion, bad Joker makeup,
like Joker makeup that I can't take seriously. Um, it

(56:07):
just like feels like a failure of the imagination, especially
when Poison Ivy is right there. Um. And I just
I'm like, we there's so many villains to choos froim,
and we're going back to Joker when Joker already had
like he's already had three of his other movies. Have
you heard the rumor that Lady Gaga is going to
be in a Joker movie like in the in the

(56:27):
same thing as as the wakuin Vihoenix Joker, which which
if Lady Gaga is in like a real is in
like a gritty, realistic Joker movie, that will be my
Joker origin story. Prostlytizing dangerous. Although although let's say, let's
say that almost everything Lady Gaga has done has been
my joker origin story. Yeah, including she's probably Do you

(56:49):
think she's auditioned for the Madonna boot Camp? No, she's girl.
No you don't think she's too old be with all
the beefs she has with Madonna. No, that's never happening.
I mean she still loves and respects Madonna. Did you
not see five for two? What kind of question is
that she wants to fuck Madona's never going to happen.
Lady Gaga is never playing Madonna on the Riddler of
it All. I did feel like elements of him were

(57:13):
a little bane. Well, yeah, the kind of intelligent. Although
I would have I would have liked the ban from
the Harley Quinn Show from how Heartbreak Feels Good at
a place like this? The sings some I can't it's
very break feels good at a place like this. That

(57:36):
sounds absurd, but the virgins have to know that it
is a spot on impression. We have to talk about
the Harley Quinn Show. So on HBO Max, there's a
Harley Quinn animated series starring Haley Haley Quoco. Oh my
God forgot shout out to shout out to all my
Quoco nuts out there, um as as Harley Quinn. And

(57:56):
it's so good. It takes. It's like the storyline of
it is that Harley Quinn has been dumped by the
Joker for the last time, so she decides to start
her own super villain team. It's a very adult cartoon.
It's like super violent. Like it's like lots of Yeah,
it's lots of bad language. It's very gay. It's very gay.
I it was such a breath of fresh air. We

(58:18):
watched it in Quarantine, like in the you know, the
parts where the parts of Quarantine were. We really couldn't
see other people, Like I think. I came over to
your apartment and we ate cereal and watched it, which
is so fun in the middle of the day. Love
Love a Saturday morning cartoon. Yeah, And I'm not really
I don't always click into cartoons like that, and this
I don't either. I really am not a cartoon girl

(58:40):
because I like, I need to see a real human being. Yeah,
exactly the same way. And I felt like this was
so the characters were so so gay and so real,
and the jokes are really funny. It's one of the
few shows I have watched in recent memory where I
consistently laughed out loud watching it over and over, especially

(59:01):
at Bain's jokes. Is the best and somehow pulls off
very of the moment cultural commentary humor, which really doesn't
hit a lot of the time. But you could tell
the people that a lot of people in the writer's
room were of our generation, you know. Um, but what
is the All of the villains have a stick. They're
all kind of dysfunctional or kind of made fun of

(59:24):
in some way. And Bain stick is that he is
like everyone hates him that everyone finds. Yeah, he's a flop,
but he's also kind of like really insecure and feminine,
and he masks his insecurities with bombs, which is so funny.
But what's the Riddler stick? I can't remember? Um that
he he like gets really buff at one point, Yeah,
because remember they have him on a hamster wheel. Yeah,

(59:45):
oh yeah. And isn't he like constantly saying riddles? Everyone's like,
what the fun Yeah, he's made a little gay too. Yeah.
I think he's just made fun of for the fact
that the Riddler is like a villain that's on. He's
easy to me. He's lame villain. Well, and I liked
I thought that this bat End movie, the Rob Pattinson
Batman made Riddler scary. Sure, I thought that it was

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well done, but it still felt like pain in the
Dark Knights pain rather. I also loved the Riddler in
this Batman movie was a content creator, like he was
for the Virgins. Well, he like made all these selfie
videos and like I kept wondering if he had a
ring light and there was a point where he goes
live with Batman. They were, they had they were doing

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a collab and like literally all these little audience members
are like, you know, harding and liking me, Like, oh
my god, Rid Larry love you women to buy the
same outfit as you like. Like Honestly, all Batman villains,
a lot of Batman villains are content creators and aspiring influencers.
They really want to broadcast their villainy. They really need
an audience, they need the likes. They're doing it for

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the Graham, you know, because I don't think Riddler would
have done everything he would have done if he could
do it quietly, not doing it for the Graham. He
was doing it for the Grahama. He was doing it
for the dark. I don't think he was on Instagram.
I think he was on TikTok and Snapchat, maybe Facebook.
I think Facebook Marketplace. That's where he was buying all
that stuff for his apartment. Yeah. You know, a couple

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of episodes we we talked about the m c U
with Joel k and Booster. If you haven't listened, to
go back and and listen to that. And I did
find myself a lot thinking about the m c U
and how different this was from it, and how it's
maybe almost a reaction to it, because you know, in
recent years, the m c U, which has kind of
always been like on such a big scale, really got

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to the biggest scale it possibly could be with End
Game and also with Spiderman No Way Home. We're like,
we're now looking at the multiverse. And I think this Batman,
it being so grounded and so focused on street level heroism,
which is like kind of the categorization of superheroes like Batman,

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like Spider Man. I think like that very much is
a re action to the sort of like cosmic implications
of the m c U, and I almost like kind
of think that's maybe why the last Spider Man movie
ended the way it did, because like, you have Spider

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Man multiverse shenanigans, and then at the end of the movie,
he winds up back in a place where he's much
more of like the classic Spider Man that we know.
We're like, he has no friends, he has like a
very basic spider suit, and he like, once again, is
your friendly neighborhood spider Man. And so I wonder maybe

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if we're going to now see a trend of superheroes
that are like a little bit more on the small scale.
And that's the thing with stories that are this contained
and why I tend to enjoy them more in the
superhero of it all is that like when you have
a hero that is totally on his own, you do

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get to start to ask questions about privilege and capital
or like what is good or bad? Where adventurous movies
don't really there are themes in them, yeah, but they
don't really have a ton of time to actually dig
into the emotional lives of many of these characters or
what they're kind of philosophical backings are. And even though

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as we said, like this Batman doesn't really dig into
the privileged conversation in the way I thought it was
going to, because it really leaned in hard and then
pulled away at at the end from it. Um I
thought maybe there would be more of a full circle
moment where we would see Batman in a very real

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way reconcile with the fact that he's a billionaire and
like what you know happened? What what a billionaire can
do to like help societal collapse or societal restructure? Right?
Because like if Bruce Raid really wanted to put his
money where his mouth was, wouldn't he just put his
billions of dollars towards like actually like fixing the infrastructure
of got them that he knew Gotham Renewal program, Like

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if all of that Gotham Renewal like money was used
to like like for corruption, wouldn't he just be like, Oh,
let me just donate another build? Was there a moment
at the beginning? I don't pay attention when people are
just talking. Unfortunately, as you know, I love that. Also
every single Batman movie, Alfred has one character trait, well
to character traits, which is that No. Three, he's British,

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he's gay, and he's like Batman. Why do you got
to go out and do this Batman stuff? Like, why
are you gotta do this? This hurts my feelings. I'm
worried about you Batman, Like every time it's like girl, Yeah,
but I feel like it's just this is the job
you sign up for a girl like, well, no he didn't.
He signed up to be Batman's butler, and then Batman

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like Dad's butler. Honestly, Yeah, Well I am very interested
to see if Batman ex Alfred fan fiction becomes a thing.
Probably already exists, definitely already exists. Definitely everything you wrote
it already. You're all one last night before you went
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