Czech Hunter (feat. Ira Madison III)

If you want to do The Holidays with Fran & Rose, you need three things: a hot butterbeer from the The Three Broomsticks at Universal Studios, Kelly Clarkson’s When Christmas Comes Around…, and the 2006 romcom Last Holiday, wherein Queen Latifah invents self care. This episode has all three and more. Ira Madison III is on the show to help explain why a movie with a plot that hinges on the results of a CT scan taken at a department store is a holiday season must-watch. Tangents include: working and quitting retail, Kohl’s Cash, Fran’s stint as a missionary in the Czech Republic, and what the fuck happened to Ira’s 401K.

Plus, the latest in kinda-queer-but-mostly-heterosexual television: Fran & Rose’s highly anticipated thoughts on And Just Like That and 12 Dates of Christmas. And an ode to iconic homoerotic vampire writer Ann Rice.

Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Last night when I got home from your house, I
went into the bathroom and flipped the light on and
looked up and there was a huge fighter. And I
stayed calm, and I went and saw that the Gucci
shoebox was sitting out I've been cleaning up my closet,
and I took it and I opened it, and I

(00:23):
caught the spider in the shoebox. The chici ist capturing
of a spider that spiders spiders, that spider's casket that
spiders like. Hey, welcome to make career Rose, I, for
your recommendation, have been blasting Kelly Clarkson's Christmas albums um

(00:46):
alta watsoo. It's really putting me in the in the
Christmas spirit here. Don't you feel all Christmas right now?
Christmas isn't canceled justice you. Um. We are so lucky
to be carrying that Christmas spirit for word with a
little episode on last holiday with none other than Ira
Medicine to the third co host, I have to Keep

(01:06):
It podcast, scorned Twitter user famous for being banned from Twitter.
This this movie really is in our Christmas cannon. I
would say absolutely. It is one of the few movies
I must watch every holiday season, and we are going
to break it down for you as to why it
should be in your Christmas Anne, get ready to do

(01:28):
a glow up and make sure you have some snacks
handy a big French Yeah. We are you happy to
be impell We are happy to be in plague. This
is like a version the show where we give yesterday's
pup gilt job to this take. I am and I

(01:49):
am plant. And before we get to IRAA medicine tap,
let's talk about what's going on in pop Girl jail today.
What is that French accent? That was my high school
French teacher who was a bitch would be so mad.

(02:15):
It's the most wonderful time of the year, don't you agree, friend?
I do. I mean, my body is a little broken
from spending maybe too much time at Universal Studios last Friday,
but you know, I'm definitely are you still sore? My
my shoulders still hurt a little bit from the four

(02:35):
times that we rode them. Oh my god, I mean
my voice is still recovering. You can kind of hear it. Well,
we turned into woo girls for a day who and
like and and honestly like, Yeah, it wasn't just on
the rides. It was just kind of like we were
the high girls of Universal Students. It was it was

(02:56):
we really us in our skims. Our skims and are
like the sunglasses. We looked like de Mentors walking around
hat set. We went with our friend Ash, and I
will say that one of my favorite moments from the
day was at the end of the day, you know, exhausted,
we're trying to figure out what to do with our time,
and we saw this like caricature artist that was like

(03:17):
drawing this couple and we were like, oh my god,
should we do that? That would be so fun or
like one of y'all said that actually it was, and
I immediately was like, uh no, I'm not doing that.
It will send my dysphoria of the wazoo. And then
Rose was like, oh my god, yeah, absolutely, me too,
and then Ash was like, oh yeah, me too. Like
it was it was like it was it was a

(03:39):
dysphoria domino effect where we all were like, oh wait,
that's um, that's really taking a risk on being perceived.
It really is like I don't need him drawing me
on a skateboard or something. Um. What was your favorite
part about Universal Rose. Besides the warm butter beer served
at Three Broomsticks. I actually enjoyed the studio tours, so

(04:02):
even though I think like it's kind of lame and
that it's not really a ride, but it was like
a nice little sojourn around the park with some exciting moment.
Definitely one of my favorite parts of the day. I
was not excited, and at that point in the day
we definitely needed to sit for a while. Very brave
of us, honestly, to spend the whole day writing roller coasters.

(04:25):
After the emotional roller coaster that was the Sex in
the City reboot and just like that. Let me tell
you so, you know, as you all know, last week
we talked in depth about Sex in the City and
you know, we had a lot of questions, um as
Carrie Bradshaw often does about and just like that and
what it would be and now we have some answers.

(04:47):
We've seen the first two episodes. We found out what
the tea is with Samantha she's in London, and how
to falling out with Carrie because Carrie fired her as
her publicist, which I'm going to call bullshit on that
is the laziest writing after everything they went through together,

(05:08):
that is not how their friendship would end. And like
the idea that Samantha Jones needs carries bullshit little column
money for her business, Like there's no way she's got
bigger fish to fry a baby. I don't actually need
a reason to know why Samantha like cut them off.

(05:28):
Like there's a whole six seasons of toxicity in all
of their relationships that like we bared witness to and
to me, like it would be even more real to say,
you know, we lost touch and I don't know why,
Like that's even more painful to me, like and also
more realistic, like you lose friends and sometimes you don't
know why and it sucks, and like, you know, I

(05:49):
totally agree with you. I think that like it was
just it didn't really hit at all. And I also
will say, like when Carrie says, like I thought we
would be friends forever, like that did like hit me
really hard. And in the first five minutes too, I
was like, WHOA, Like they really are going in when
you kind of thought that, especially after all the hype
of this reboot, that there would be more things that

(06:11):
they would try to avoid because it's awkward and because
there's all this drama and ta around it. The real
awkwardness of the reboot for me is the ham fisted
wokeness of it. They're just going so hard with over
correcting how problematic Sex in the City was, and like

(06:31):
it is brutal. Every scene with Sato Ramirez A. K. H.
Diaz doing their podcast is just like it's like a caricature.
And I did feel called out when carry said, oh,
I have to go record a podcast. It's like doing
jury duty. Um, that felt very Yeah, that was really

(06:52):
funny at us. One of the jokes that made me la. Yes,
there were like three jokes that I laughed out loud
at and that was one of them. But the wokeness, it's,
you know, the thing is, I just don't think Sex
in the City works in the framework of like apologizing
for the things that said. Honestly, I kind of wish

(07:13):
that they were just making the same show and like
correcting in subtle ways rather than trying to like actively apologize,
because it felt like I was like, is everyone non binary?
On this show? I think that, Well, I want to
get to that. I will say, like, first of all,
you're totally right, like leave the word woke out of

(07:34):
your scripts. And also like queer people don't talk like
don't And that's the thing that's really disappointing is that
there are no Latin or non binary writers in the end,
just like that room, Like I went into this and researched,
and like what we're seeing is like a product of
Michael Patrick King's imagination of what he thinks a Latin
non binary person is. And I say this like lovingly,

(07:57):
like I love sex in the city and I wanted
to be better, Like, but that is exactly what it
looks like on screen. Is it's not a real person, Yeah,
because that's why you have moments like Cha, whose whole story,
whose whole character we've seen so far is like them
being like this non binary stand up comic rebel telling
Carrie to step her pussy up, like that they would

(08:19):
never say that, applying like drag terminology to this like
non binary stand up comic. Like it's just taking taking
someone who's so out of touch with real queer people,
like taking their idea of what the entirety of queerness
is like and funneling it into one character. It's just
and it perfectly cast though, like Sata is great. Like,

(08:43):
but even though everything they have to say is doing doing,
doing as much as they can with the material. I mean,
you know, they're not in their thirties anymore, Like it
can't necessarily be the show that it used to be.
I think that the strengths, a lot of the strengths
of what we watched are those moments of nostalgia, right,
like Susan Sharon coming in, or like them, Susan Sharon

(09:07):
legend icon star. Susan Sharon should be in the main cast,
she should be the fourth girl. But yeah, maybe I'm
not shocked to see that. Like the majority of the
sentiment around the show, at least on my timeline, was
really negative. Do I think it was perfectly executed? Like no,
but like adapting to woke culture, like fumbling through a podcast,

(09:29):
being a mother, experiencing grief, like those are the problems
of like women in their fifties, and so coming away
from it, I was like kind of thinking about the
impact of nostalgia and like how it shapes the way
we watch, you know, cultural objects like this and their reboots.
Like Miranda kind of has always been awkward, right, Like

(09:51):
that's just how she's always been. But Like what has
changed between you know, the show ending and where we
are at now, is that Miran to became a meme queen.
Everyone sees themselves in Randa. Everyone says Miranda's the favorite character.
There's a book called We Should All Be Miranda's right.
And so when we see like our our meme hero
failing when she's not adapting to the culture that we

(10:14):
have already thinks she's a part of, like it feels
kind of like tainted. And I don't know, what did
you think about the Miranda of it all? It didn't
ring true to me just because, like, yes, Miranda's awkward,
but I think Miranda was always in a way, like
the most street smart of them. I mean, you know,
she had some fumbles, Like there's an episode early on

(10:34):
in the series when her boss assumes she's a lesbian,
so she takes the woman with her too into a
party and like tries to make it work. But I
think like because of that, like and because of the
fact that these women live in New York City and
have for decades, like they're acting like these are their

(10:57):
first experiences with black women, with queer people, and like
that to me, either signifies that like it's bad writing
or that like in the world of the show, these
women have truly just been so siloed by their own
privilege that I guess they are having some kind of

(11:18):
like reckoning I think, uh, speaking of heterosexual characters making
bad decisions. I did finally watch Twelve Dates of Christmas
the second season for you. Thank you, Thank you so much.
I feel really seen and held by you. I love them.
You basically forced me to watch it. And when we
we discussed it, you know the other night when we

(11:39):
were hanging out, and you didn't remember any of the
things that I was trying to tell you. No, I
didn't remember any of the people. It's really what I
wanted was for you to experience was the vibes and
the experience. Let's set it up for everyone what the
show is about. So Twelve Dates of Christmas is a show.
It's a reality show that's sort of like trying to
replicate what happens in a holiday rom com. So there

(12:04):
are three leads um and in this iteration, there was
one straight guy and two queer people, a queer woman
and a queer man um and they are staying at
this beautiful um Ski lodge during Christmas. I'm saying that
air quotes because it was obviously shot in like March July.

(12:25):
I yeah, um. And they have a series of romantic
interests who show up at the lodge and sometimes unexpected
ways and attempt to woo them as they go on
twelve dates, all leading up to choosing someone to take
home with them for Christmas, which again is obviously like

(12:45):
shot in August, and they they put like a wreath
on their dad's that door. Um. And then this season,
the like secondary twist was that after they took their
love interest home for Christmas, they would then spend New
Years with New York City at the top of the
Empire State Building. So it's it's like the Bachelor meets

(13:07):
the bisexual season of Are You the One? Through the
lens of love? Actually, I wish it had had more
of like the queer messiness of Are You the One?
Because Heina, who's this like non binary character that kind
of you know, gets far in the competition, is like
very important for like non binary villain representation, as they
are like kind of the person that really throws a

(13:27):
lot of like kind of conflicts into the arena, but
not enough conflict In my opinion. Yeah, but I thought
like it was a good example of why there should
be more queer lead dating shows because like of the
inherent mess of your pool of love interests all potentially
being attracted to each other, and like we saw in

(13:50):
Twelve Dates of Christmas, two of the two of the
gay love interests like hooked up and ended up like
saying I love you to each other after guessing with
like a couple, um and then leaving together. Um Tina.
As we previously mentioned, like hooked up with the lesbian

(14:10):
who went home first. Um Heina is um Heina's pretty
big on lesbian. Have you ever seen their TikTok's? Yeah,
they're they're really funy ship. I didn't know that. I'm
gonna have to tune in. Other takeaways is that like
just the just the the the awe inspiring quality of
like heterosexual dating, Like the heterosexual lead is like the

(14:31):
most basic and like indecisive and boring person on the planet,
and like he truly is is like every episode is
the most attracted to the newest exactly because it's like, oh,
shiny new thing for me to stick and every time
in the confessionals, but they like to be like he
talks about who the new girl is wo be like, yeah,
you know, a lot of qualities stick out to me.

(14:52):
You know, she's attractive, she's the right height, she's gorgeous,
she's beautiful, and it's like every single time it's just
like yeah, kept talking about their height, which I thought
was so bizarre. And also like the gay guy, honest,
he was he was hot. He was hot. He was hot.
I mean I liked his little like gray. And there
was other like painful moments in these first dates. There

(15:15):
was like a moment where this girl is trying to
like talk about herself for her personality's like, well, I
I'm a big Harry Potter fan. It's like if you
were on a first date like that is actually going
to be the least interesting thing about you know, just
come to the Universal Studios. There was another moment where
that the heterosexual guy was like, yeah, you know, our

(15:36):
relationship is like so amazing, like we're like Jim and Pam.
And I'm like, oh, thank you for making me watch it.
I did enjoy it. Thank you for watching. I'm I'm
truly less to have you in my life and um
feel supported by you, especially after the last couple of

(15:57):
days have been a little sad after hearing that Anne
Rice died. It was announced by her son on on
social media that Anne had passed away at the age
of I believe eight was but we all know that
she was three and seventy two. Yes, Um, I don't
know what your relationship to Anne Rice is, but I

(16:19):
love and Rice. Like around the time that I started
watching Buffy, I like read a couple and Rice novels.
Obviously loved the movie Interview with the Vampire Queen of
the Damned when it came out was huge for me.
I guess like I might have even stuck around longer
in the Anne Rice fandom if it was allowed, because

(16:42):
Anne Rice was famously extremely anti fan fiction and would
in fact like send her lawyers to sue people who
wrote Vampire Chronicles fan fiction. But she also wrote very
like explicitly queer care aracters, like at a time when

(17:02):
that was not a thing you were supposed to do,
like Lestat and Louis and interviewed the vampire just were gay.
They were gays who adopted Kirsten Dunst. And there there
was something circling Twitter about and Rice talking about trans people.
How like trans people are sacred and have like existed
in every culture and so like yes, well I may

(17:23):
not have agreed with and Rice's views on fan fiction,
I do um you know, like celebrate her and everything
she contributed. I think like the modern preoccupation with vampires
like was started by her, and like you do not
hump Twilight without and Rice, and for that we lift

(17:43):
her up in celebration. Don't, don't, don't don't don't. What
are your what's your favorite part about the holidays? My

(18:06):
favorite part about the holiday is is traveling. Like I
once I got my first real job and was able to,
I just became a holiday traveler. Yeah, because my grandmother's
birthday is December fourteen, and my niece's birthday is the
same day. So I visit home then between Thanksgiving, between Christmas,

(18:32):
and then I just Christmas. I'm just like gone, gone,
you are international, smile the that girl's chip about you've
spent well, you've been to like for for the holiday summers,
you go to like Paris or where else do you go?
Like I went right before the pandemic my last Christmas,

(18:55):
I went to um Bash the Mexican Love. Okay, I
just love being you know that, like I've always aspired
to be that um, that aunt um who you know
always travels from the holidays and then shows up with
like presents. It's like, Hi, I never see any of you,

(19:16):
and you a gift. Now I'm about to get out
of play big ant energy. I love that I newly
became an aunt almost a year ago, and I'm trying
I'm trying to manifest or trying to fest that same
that same wealthy aunt energy. You need to buy more
calf Dan's. Yeah. Well, I also for me, it's really

(19:38):
about the opportunity to turn my nephew against my brother
and his wife and make him hate everything that they love.
That's my niece's favorite. As you just listen, you just
gotta like it's just a random day when you're feeling it,
just like hit her cash at with the money so
you buy just like I blessed I blessed the cash

(20:01):
app like the other day. Wow. I mean just imagine
like being like having you as your uncle. That's so
fucking cool. That's amazing. Yeah. Wow, well, um, speaking of traveling,
the setting for this movie that we're about to discuss
is Prague question Mark. Yeah, you all been to Prague.
I have not. I'm really mad because a friend of

(20:24):
mine um just went in October and I couldn't go
because I was working. I do like in an Eastern
European moment. I've been to Budapest, so like like it's
it's a really hard when people do it because they're

(20:46):
really trying to They're really trying to show you that
they are international trials. Yeah, New York City. Yeah, but
I know never been to Prague, but I would love
to go. But but like I think only if I
stayed in the kind of hotel that Queen Lativa stays. Yes,

(21:08):
you got to stay in basically a castle. Yeah, truly,
I don't know if you know this world. But unfortunately
I have been to Prague before when I was like
in like freshman or sophomore year. No, no, no, I
think it was in seventh or eighth grade on a
missions trip with me. I just took another step of
the I want to kill myself continue. No, it doesn't.

(21:33):
But I was teaching check teens about Christ our Savior.
Did you buy any chance find out that you were
going to die um from a brain disease right before
you went? No? I didn't but the check teens that
I was teaching the Bible too were very hot, and
I remember like being like, these are some like we
were both teens. I was like teens teaching teens about Jesus,

(21:54):
and you're a bit of a check hunter if you no,
I'm believing. So for those so for those who have
never seen last Holiday before, the concede generally is like
Queen Latifa finds out that she has a terminal illness.
She has what three or four weeks to because she okay,

(22:17):
because she slips and hits her head while working in
the department store that she works in, which has a
hospital in it where she gets a cat scan. Literally
has a hospital in which, you know, every time I
go to Bloomingdale's, I'm like, you know what, let me
get a cat scan. Well, I'm here. The insurance covers that.
I feel like it was. You half believe it because

(22:37):
growing up I always got like my eye exams and
things done like Sam's Club, but definitely not a hospital.
I did not question it as a teenager. When I
saw it at all, I was like, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah,
So she embarks on this journey to Prague. It's because
she decides she's going to spend all of her money.

(22:58):
She's saving because she has like a recipe book, right,
and she's like saving it her possibility. Very it's very
very sad um. But what's amazing is that she cashes
her four oh and kay, and they're like, oh, how
are you going to spend it? She's like, I'm just
gonna blow it all. And I also have to say

(23:19):
that when I was like extremely broke and had first
moved to New York City after my first publishing job,
I ran out of money and I did cash my
fur owen kay at the age of like twenty four,
but it was first saving. I had one once at
some point when you got a job. I look, I
had a four ward came when I was at BuzzFeed.
Where is it where? It's probably my My dad cashed

(23:44):
in his four oh when k and bought a house
in Costa Rica, um that I once spent a summer in.
And it was a bad decision on this part. I think,
Um he has since sold the house and gone back
to work. It is a really beautiful depiction of I
guess like kind of that wish fulfillment trope in like
films of like, what would you do if you, like,

(24:06):
all of a sudden, had all this money to spend
in three or four weeks or whatever, and three or
four weeks to live as well? I don't know what
would you do if you found out you only you
had less than a month to live and had a
bunch of money to spend. What would you do? Well?
I would immediately take up smoking again cigarette case I
miss it and if I knew I was going to
die anyways, you know, definitely I would definitely go on

(24:28):
a European vacation probably, Um, where would you where? Where
would be the first stop? M? I mean I'd have
to see Paris? Yeah, of course. I would probably go
to New York. I would probably be boring and go
on like a vendor and see a bunch of shows.

(24:49):
I would buy a bunch of Heroin and like just
do it. What Yeah, that would be the thing you
would do. Yeah Heroin. Out of all the things you
could do, you're like Heroin. Yeah, Okay, got it, got it,
got it, got it, got it, got it. By the way,

(25:10):
when she goes to Europe in this film, um, I
want to point out another thing that is as ridiculous
as a cat scan being in a department store. She
is in coach and she's like, why is supposed to
keep leaning back against me, like I don't have any room?
And then they're like, well that's because you didn't spend

(25:32):
the money on first class, and she's like how much
is it? And then it cuts to her like in
first class with like lost or like the champagne or whatever,
and I'm like, baby, there is the way you could
just like give them some cash an upgrade. There's a
lot of dollars, like delta, how do I do? This

(25:56):
doesn't work like that and it's usually booked. Yeah, used
to be like that. No, like it was never it
was never that easy. But I mean her in first
classes a moment as well as her um sitting down
at like the fancy French restaurant. Is it French's Yeah,
it's a French restaurant in the chef that she's always
and she said, I'll take one of everything. Well, this

(26:18):
is this is because also she's a foodie and loves cooking.
She this is I think, Uh, this was during like
Food Network, the Pinnacle of Food Network, and Emerald was
on TV and so her Possibilities book is all like
recipes that she was in the modern days, she'd be

(26:38):
like on you know, like Tasty's Instagram. She like cooks
all these amazing dishes and gives them to her neighbor
and then eats Lean Cuisine. Um does that? Did anyone
eat Lean cuisines? Did I remember those Swedish meatballs from
Lean Cuisine? Hit? Oh? My good? Hit really hit. No,

(27:03):
I'm just remembering it from like when I was broken
New York. I guess I have I have some Swedish
meatball trauma because of Ikea. Don't get me started the
era where everyone was like, let's go to Ikea for
the meat bawls. Weren't that damn good? No? No, and
like they were acting like they were it, like that

(27:23):
was culinary masterpiece, Like Queen Lativa cooked it and gave
it to her neighbor. So so Queen Latifa. Um. She
goes to the Grand Pop Hotel and she um like
makes her way into this group of rich people. One
of them is the guy who owns the department store

(27:45):
that she used to work at something, and she's just
doing all these amazing things. She goes base jumping. Oh
we also forgot Queen Lativa's love interest in this movie
is ll cool Ja who looks so good the movie
l l in a movie, Yeah, like get get him up,
the Kangol Hat, take him out of whatever. In c

(28:09):
I S City, he's in Everybody's in a Damp Show?
Or C S I. Which one is the one with
the goth girl who's like the forensics, Yes, the Polly Parette, right,
I think so, Yeah, I think it's n C I S.
Maybe I think she left she had a stalker and
it was a wild story. I love sker not for

(28:34):
their safety, but stalkers in general, just like amuse me
because everyone seems like a stalker these days. If you
had to stop, if you were to stalk someone, if
you see someone's tweets, it's just like, oh, you're stalking me,
you know, like if Laura darn saw like a gay
tweets about her, just like, oh, stalker behavior. But the

(28:54):
stalker takes it to the next level of I'm outside
your house. Yeah, if that's stalk anybody, who would it be?
Mm hmm. I don't know what mine answer would be, actually,
I know it's like that sounds like a lot of
effort to stalk someone. If if you had a stalker.
Would you be secretly kind of into it? Oh? Absolutely,

(29:14):
I'd be obsessed and then pretend to hate it. Would
be like very Jena Maroni from Dirty Rock having like
a relationship with her stalker. That would be me. I'd
just be like showing her up to places with my
friend's life guys, sunglasses on. I'm so sorry, I think
I was. Yeah, exactly, I had to get a gun

(29:35):
this week security. So Queen Latifa is doing all these
amazing activities and it turns out at the end she's
not actually dying because the cat scan of the department
store was faulty, right, which makes sense. Don't get a
cat scan at your local department store. And it doesn't
even it doesn't even seem like a Nordstrom kind of

(29:58):
department store. It seems like Sears Level or Coals. It's
called Coles has become a through line of this podcast.
Did you spend a lot of time at Coles as
a as a youth? Oh? Yeah, all of my outfits
are from Coles. Is my favorite place to shop as
a child, spot you can get back to school. Yeah,

(30:19):
I have never jeans on sale. I've never been inside
of Coles. Wow. Well, we went to Sears. I'm from Florida, Okay, yeah,
from Milwaukee. Calls was very Midwest. How much cold cash?
Do you have? Too much? I could last holiday, but

(30:40):
I won't, but you good? Yes, Yes, I worked at
a department store. Walk worked at Macy's. No way, what
did you do? I worked in the women's shoe department.
Of course, I also worked at a department store. I
worked at Bloomingdale's and worked in the men's shoe department.
But I worked at the blooming Deals in Soho Um

(31:03):
for six months and then on New Year's Day, I
had done a bunch of ecstasy the night before, and
I was on the floor and was like the most
hungover I've ever been. And I just looked around and said,
I don't want to do this anymore and walked out.
You walked out kind of like Queen Lativa did, now
that I'm thinking about it, And I remember for weeks afterwards,

(31:23):
um my manager like thought, I was in rehab and
I was just watching Veronica Mars at home. Parallel taste.
I worked at the mazeas in Um Milwaukee, which also
mass and blooming Gales are basically the same store. Well,
their parents coming yeah, yeah, um, sister, it's always wild
thing like the Beverly Center. Here, it's like it's a

(31:43):
maze's here, blooming gals, here be one store. Um. I
worked in Milwaukee. It was so I moved here in
there's a brief period where right when I moved here,
I went broke and then I went home. For like
three four months, I worked at the Macy's shoot apartment there,

(32:04):
and I like just itching to get back to l A.
I'm like, what am I doing here? And basically every
day to keep myself staying, I just told lies just
fantastic lives are Like my coworkers what kind of like
I think? I told them I was engaged. Love, that's good.
It's like, you know, I just got to get back

(32:25):
to l A. You know, behind like my fiance he's there.
What did your fiance do in this scenario? He worked
in the music industry? I'm sure, yeah, I Love. Do
you have any other poignant memories of working in a
department store either you? Well, so did you work on commission? Yes? So,

(32:45):
like the like the older people at the department store.
I mean it makes sense because capitalism, right, who work
on commission like they are throw it commercial. It's if
they see you talking to a customer that they like
made even brief eye contact what they walked in the store,

(33:06):
they will be up next to you like that's my customer, Ira.
I'm like, al right, girl, get your commission. It's also
such a the I think the scammiest thing about working
in a department store is signing people up for credit cards. Yes,
oh my god, Okay. I used to work in American
Apparel R I P. M at the Flagship in New York,

(33:26):
and we also worked on commission and they would have
a white board with everybody's like commission sales on it
and like arrange people and rank them. So that was
the first thing you saw when you like clocked into
work every day. It's also evil because for us, like
I think most people have figured it out. But you
can return anything to a department store. And the thing

(33:48):
about Macy's was it used to be um Marshals um,
and so you could return things that like you would
bought at Marshal's and like the nineties, you return anything.
That's the policy. I could take my bra off right
now and return it at a Macy's anywhere in they
take anything, and so The thing is you work on

(34:09):
commission in Milwaukee, like it snows there. The thing that
people would do would they would go and buy shoes
for like the holidays are like New Year's or whatever,
and then return them at the beginning of the year.
So like the money that you make on commission, when
someone returns it, that money comes back from dark yanked.
It gets yanked from you. So like you could have

(34:31):
a good ask Christmas and then in January when someone
returns ship, like you have a bad year. Chat. Yeah,
I didn't know that. I mean I was so Yeah.
I had moments where I would see a person that
I had helped walk back in the store like a
week later and just be crushed because I knew I
never noticed. I was laser. I only worked in American

(34:51):
mile for two months, but I was laser focused on
being like sop top sales person because at the flash
of American Apparel, the target demographics were like trust fund babies,
their mom's, gay guys, and then like girls looking for
Halloween costumes or girls looking for like outfits for their birthday.
And I am like the perfect person to sell close

(35:12):
to all of those people. You know what I mean,
you are um Ira. What was your sales style? Like
how did you get people to buy things? It would
just sort of like you have to lead into the game.
A girl look so good, like come on, give me
a little walk. That would work on me. Actually no,

(35:33):
I don't know because when I go into a store,
I don't want anyone to talk to me. And that's
the problem too. It's like being on that side, but
knowing when I walk into a store, it was like,
leave me alone. Yeah, I will ask you for help
if I need it, But to size great, give me
this like you walk into it, like the Bloomingdale's here,

(35:54):
Like you walk into I was like, you're looking at
one shirt? Can I start a room for you? Baby? No?
You cannot. God, okay. I My technique doing sales was
I would walk up and I would say, uh, and
if you need anything else, my name is Francisco, like
San Francisco. Because they need to remember your name at
the register. You gotta give them you gotta have a gimmick. Yeah, yeah,

(36:15):
And that was always my thing, which is an insane
thing to say to a person. They would always be
like why didn't you just but that it would they
would always remember my name. But I used to. I
picked up at least two, if not three different guys
while working at American Apparel. American Apparel was very crazy.
Oh yeah crazy and yeah yeah people were gay idiots

(36:39):
and gay shoplifters and like that was the shoplifting t
was insane. I had friends. I had a friend who
worked at American Apparel, like right after college and had
figured out how to make it so that just when
they rang people up, it was like zeroed out. So
they would have their friends come in and bring them
up at the register and they would just leave with
bags of cloth. We would do that too, or in backstop,

(37:02):
you like stuff or bags or whatever. Um. I used
to steal from a Banana Republic like college. The Banana
Republic game was and and m was the easiest to
steal from. Yeah, it has become it has become so
much harder to steal. But I've noticed on TikTok now

(37:23):
there's some people who make um like shoplifting hack videos
about where you can get away with it, and you
know what, I you know what I love about shoplifting
is people really think that they are like Carmen San
Diego level spy getting away with it. No one knows

(37:44):
when they're walking around targets stealing things like baby Girl.
They know that they just don't care. The jig is up.
They know that you are taking that like Hayndes underwear,
like whatever. The only people who know, the only people
who care are lost prevention. I don't care. I see
you stealing something. I have a good day. I'm not

(38:04):
chasing you out the store of this Gap. I did
used to work at a GAP at a Banana Republic.
Used to work at a Banana Republic also my my
senior year of high school, like very briefly I worked.
So I worked at Gap in undergrad and during the
Red Campaign, by the way, and very very at the

(38:29):
Michigan Avenue of Chicago one so like I was so
sad that I started the day after like they got
the job and then they scheduled my first day for
the day after Oprah like came to the store and
at the Red campaign on TV. Fuck you gap um.
But then I went to Banana Republic. Uh, And Banana

(38:52):
Republic was the job that I used to transfer to.
When I moved to New York. I worked at the
rock Fellow Center. Been a Republic. I think I worked
for eight shifts day. I just stopped coming in. That's
how you have to do it in retail because like
we're in, when you're working in retail, everyone's interchangeable, like

(39:13):
they will forget about you immediately. I'm I'm a really
bad retail employee. I do not know how to sell
to people. I don't care if they buy anything. I'm
just they're trying to, you know, like get my money.
The best job was, honestly being at the cash register
because turn off your brain and you were scanning people.
Don't put me on the sales floor. Also, I have
to say in Bloomingdale's, the music that they played was hitting.

(39:37):
I don't know who was making those playlists, but I
heard it put me onto a lot of things. But
like before they came out, So I mean, thank you too,
whoever I constantly heard. Is it any wonder it was?
I loved? Was it okay? So this is taking us

(40:07):
back to sort of, you know, like the moment I
guess that last holiday was released in you know, like
early mid adds culture. Yeah, two thousand six. Um, Queen
Latifa was I think hot off the heels of Chicago
and she had done Taxi beauty shop, like she was
in a lot of these, and this was really her

(40:29):
first rom com roll because she had always been you know,
she was Matron Mama Morton and Chicago, and she kind
of always did like buddy comedy movies and which I
used to own bringing down the house. But this was
her first leading lady rom com roll, and unfortunately it

(40:53):
was a flop. Yeah, it's sad because it's so good.
It's so good, holds up. I think it's really funny.
She's so charismatic carry like the plant of it in
and of itself is like obviously very predictable, but she
well it's also based on it's a rewike of like
a nineteen fifties you know movie or whatever. But she's

(41:14):
like so charismatic and she like carries and there's I mean,
there had never been really a rom com with someone
like her as like, you know, the romantic lead, you
know what I mean. I think I'm thinking a lot
about um. Do you remember when like Rebel Wilson was
like she was like I also I also tried to

(41:36):
personal beat well. First of all, background was like Rebel
Wilson was all like I'm the first plus size person
to be in a romantically blah blah blah, and everyone
was like, Um, Queen Latifa is right there, Ricky Lake
is right there. I don't know if that was I
don't know if that was a great Rebel Wilson because
she saw Australia. Oh is she really? I actually had

(41:58):
no idea. Well, she's my Nemessida tell us Okay, So
I was it. When I was still a journalist. I
was in London for the Cats Junket, and you know
for that movie, everyone had to be like pre approved
by the talents teams for you to be interviewing them. Um.

(42:18):
The night before I was in my hotel in London,
I was on Grinder and someone hit me up and
and said like, you look like Rebel Wilson. And I said, oh,
that's funny, which I was like, I didn't know if
it was a compliment or not. I think she's pretty um,
but I thought it was funny because I was interviewing
her the next day. So I took a screenshot of

(42:39):
it and tweeted it and said like, l O L
this is, you know, funny because I'm interviewing her tomorrow.
I showed up to check in and the PR girl
who was leading the junket, was like, um, just so
you know, you won't be interviewing Rebel anymore. And and
I was like, oh, can you tell me why? And

(43:00):
she said, okay, I'll get back to you, and hours
later they said yeah, apparently her publicists just like you know,
said that they changed their minds about having you interview her.
And I did. I do think that her publicist was
you know, like trolling like or like looked up all
the journalists to make sure no one was gonna, you know,

(43:20):
like catch her out with a question or whatever. You
know what. I'm sure like the interview would have been
bad anyway, but that is my what have to say truly,
And also like because I think the problem was because
when I tweeted, I said, wouldn't it be funny if
I brought this up during the interview And I wasn't
going to. But also that would have been funny. And

(43:42):
those interviews, interviews are so awful, and when I when
I did them, I always tried to like make them
at least a little fun. And when you have a
good like good talent, they respond to it. For those
of you that don't know what a junket is, it's
based really like when they corral dozens of journalists, many

(44:03):
of them from like sealist and dealist, like you know,
media publications, and each of them gets two to four
minutes to interview celebrities in this like death carousel of
like interviews, um for whatever movie. It is like that's
the same thing every time. At least you get a

(44:24):
little glam though sometimes because you're on camera for these junks.
But sometimes it can go wrong because sometimes they have
like one person doing hair and makeup and it can
be rough. I hate the weird hotel. It's like I
don't love I tried to make them fun, and I
think that's why I like some of the some of

(44:44):
the interviews I've done have like gotten like good response,
and I think if I had been able to interview
Rebel Wilson, we would have had a great time, a
great time because also I looked I'd like watched some
of the interviews she did afterwards, and I feel like
she was the one who was bringing up like, isn't
it so weird that like my my cat character is
naked and you can't see my vagina like whatever, Like yeah, um,

(45:09):
but yeah, I mean back to the main part of
the discussion. I mean Queen Latifa, I feel like, I mean,
I were like, what's your relationship to like the cultural
relevance of Queen Lativa, Queen Latifa, either at that time
or now or like to me, like, I feel like
her charisma really carries what could have been like a
very mediocre movie, right, Like, if you put anybody else

(45:29):
in that role, it really would not have been an
engaging watch. But she's so delightful to watch and actually,
like Roger Ebert and other critics at the time kind
of said similar things, even if they, you know, we're
kind of shady about the film. I've loved her to
live in single, you know, so like you grew up
on Miss Latifa, and um, that was a good era

(45:50):
for her. I mean, her career has always been so interesting.
I think because of that she was a black celebrity
and so it was sort of like she had this
relevance and also from like her hip pop career that
was before, which she didn't really do much of that anymore,
but it was just sort of She's just always a person,
you know, is like a celebrity, this Queen Latifa, you know,

(46:10):
like she is a a Staple. Uh. And it was
nice seeing her get to do this but didn't really
work out, you know, like you think about this, you
think about just right. Yeah, where she's like from she's
romancing Common. She is is a physical therapist who loves basketball,

(46:31):
and Common has an injury and she's working as his
physical therapist. But her sister is into Common. The sisters
like going on dates with Common, but they have and
I think the sister baby Paula Patton uh, and they have,
but they start to fall for each other. That seems inappropriate,
That seems like a professional boundary, maybe like the beginning

(46:55):
of a medical malpractice immediately sued. But I mean, I
think is I wonder if that movie was successful when
Last Holiday wasn't. And I wonder if maybe, like you know,
because Queen Lativa is queer question Mark and like she's
acknowledged it, she's acknowledged her partner okay recently, and so

(47:17):
maybe like there was some dissonance with her being like
a straight romantic lead in these rom coms. But don't
debut at number four behind Iron Man two, Robin Hood
and Letters to Juliet Oh, Letters to Juliett. I'm gonna
google right film stated theater seven days. Oh wow. But

(47:43):
but you know, like she put she put butts in
the seats because when we talked about Last Holiday, it
was Queen Latifa in Last Holidays. It could not have
been anyone else. She was the moment, she had the chrisma.
That movie was I'm sure written for her specifically, and

(48:04):
she slayed something that I only realized retroactively as well. Say, um,
Chloe and Hallie Bailey made their acting debut in this movie.
They play like five year olds in this movie. I
had no idea. I only saw like after I read
the IMDb um for Last Holiday. You know what the
one that was I think successful before that was um

(48:29):
Beauty Shot Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I mean
that was massive and that was Steel Magnolia's right. It
was supposed to like be a quote unquote adaptation of
Steel Magnolias or something like that. I don't know, but
I love that. I should say it was just sisters
in the Barbershop that's been off of Barbershop. Um, yeah,
but I think that. I mean, I don't know which

(48:51):
Like Rose and I watched this movie um Last Holiday, um,
and it was like for me like such a um,
it was such a like an example of like what
it means to like enjoy your life. And obviously, like
I don't think the film is trying to make this commentary,
but it was very like, you know, fuck the man,
fuck your nine to five, fuck like you know, are

(49:13):
broken health care because like, well it's also very of
its time. It's pre Obama, pre recessional recession. You know,
I'm gonna blow it all. Yeah, yeah, And I think
in the movie, she like she could her health insurance
doesn't cover the procedure she needs. Yeah, she goes to
see that woman and the woman tells her it would
be like a crazy amount of money to get the surgery.

(49:36):
But also I feel like, is that how much money
she spends going on this holiday? Die? Which is a serve?
It's it's it's I feel like movies of this ilk
always lead into that though that like capitalism is like
the man is bad, like bosses or mean workers, that
it never translates, but the world like that capitalism is bad.

(50:01):
Let me go spend all this money and buy all
these things that will make me happy before I die.
But they do make her happy, they would make me happy. Well,
but the moral that she learns at the end is
that it's actually she's actually not happy being all alone
in this place that she's dreamed of all her life.
She wants to go back and be with the people
who love her. But by that point L cool J
has flown to Prague to see her, to see her,

(50:23):
and she's dying, I love you. And it's very romantic
because because the nosy neighbor shows him her Possibilities book
and he's in it, which also she's right all back.
It's really creepy. She's cut out his picture and her,

(50:44):
She's cut out their faces and put them on a
wedding photo, which, oh my god, I didn't even think
about it. I don't know if I saw that, well,
I probably would be flattered and I would be too,
but anybody else would be like what the fuck. But
also at the end of the movie, doesn't she she
doesn't the seat the boss or the CEO or whatever,

(51:06):
like yes of alleged and like she tells him like
life's worth living for, doesn't he want to jump because
he's like so destroyed by the fact that a woman
like Queen Latifa could have a better life than him
or something like. That's kind of why he decides to
commit suicide. Yeah, and also his assistant, who is his mistress,

(51:30):
has left him because Queen, because feeble power. Queen Latifa
was like, girl, you're better than him and this job.
You should do his job. Why are you sleeping with
him and being the mistress? And honestly they should have
gotten together. That's how the movie should have ended as
Queen Latifa and the red headed assistant. I do appreciate that. Like,

(52:07):
even though it is a rum come, I do feel
like when I watched this movie, it was predominantly spent
on like between Latifa, just like bibing, you know, just
like enjoying her life. The makeover Vermontage, a magup Vermontage
for all makeup Vermontages. What are some of your favorite
makeup vermontag isn't God definitely clueless? Obviously Princess Diremies Devils

(52:31):
product that is that is, I mean, that is the
iconic one, and then you get yes, such a vogue
and then it in then it ends with you know,
the are those the which I think we as a
community as a community need to let that it. It's

(52:53):
gotta go that along with like high Gay or like whatever.
I think High Gay is like recent enough that it's
still funny and there's more permutations of it to be done.
It's been a very long time. It's it's been when Christmas,
people do right, but people do the right? Are you
the eighth grade report card that I had my mom's basement. Yeah,

(53:16):
it's like all right, like everyone makes it into a
new thing. Let it. Actually, as much as I love
that movie, Devil wors Product, discourse could leave the Internet. Well,
the real villain of the the real villain of the

(53:36):
Devil war Is product is the friends we made along
the way. I think I tweet it was in my
hey day. I think I tweeted that the real in
the Devil Words product is all of you who were
shut up about this movie. I mean, Devil wors product is.
Can we categorize as a rom com? Also? I guess
technically maybe it's a workplace comedy, and it's a workplace comedy,

(53:59):
But you know, in the antheon of rom coms. You know,
as we're talking about Last Holiday, what are some of
your favorites? Yes, what are the best rob coms? One
of mine is Last Holiday. We were just talking about
how those are. That's like, literally Rosen my favorite. I'm Christmas.
Maybe don't watch the Holidays. The holiday we're talking about,
last holiday, last holiday. The holiday. Pretty Woman of course

(54:23):
is really iconic and like it's a it's a rom
com about a SECS worker, which I think is like
pretty cool. My best friend's wedding, Oh, my best friend's
wedding is it is Julia Roberts does a rom com. Okay,
America Sweethearts not one of my favorites, but it's it's good.

(54:45):
But yeah, my best friend's wedding is the moment Cameron
Diaz's performance, and that is incredible. Yes, the scene in
the bathroom alone, I've never said that I would have
killed her if that. If I was getting married and
that was going on, I would have said, Julie Roberts,
you're dead. You've never seen it. Wait, this is my

(55:05):
best friend's wedding or yeah, oh, I have seen my
best wedding, and I remember empathizing with the diabolical nature
of trying to break up this marriage. I also love
the way it ends, because it ends with her not
winning and her being alone at the wedding and her
gay best friend comes and it's like, yeah, this sucks,
but like we have each other, who plays the gay

(55:26):
best friend again? So it opens up with like the
musical number that is that is cinema. Okay, that is
that is a good time at the movies. Marty Scorsese
agrees that is what we need back in film. Okay.

(55:46):
Oh god. I think my ultimate rom com obviously is
going to be Moonstruck. I mean I have it like
tattooed on my leg. I guess that is. It is
a rom com technique. Yeah it is. It's like a
prestige rama, is it, I mean, is it? Yeah? Yeah.
I was gonna be like, because there's always the romantic dramas,
but it is a romantic comedy. It's comedy. Yeah, it's
intentionally comedic. I do. I do love a rom com.

(56:12):
And I think this era that Last Holiday came out
in was kind of the golden age of rom com
by the way they were really cranking them out, because
this was when j Lo was making all of her
rom coms. Kate Hudson, you know, the girls were working,
they were booked and busy turning these out a couple
of times a year. I love a teen rom com too,

(56:35):
you know, like, um, get over it never seen it
as a classic. Uh and then um, well the other
two I love like feel more like Devils was probably
probably work force comedy. It's like, don't tell me, I'm
the babysitter's dad as elements, but I think it's a
workless or a family comedy. Why would you classify that movie.

(56:56):
I don't even know these like kind of a family comedy. Yeah,
there's hijinks and working girl, but it seems more like workplace. Um,
just like Devil, But I don't know. I like Devil.
I love that we've shortened it Devil. I was on
the plane the other day watching Devil, and then people
think you're talking about the night movie. Oh, that was

(57:19):
a horrible movie. Just takes place on an elevator, Yes,
it did. The whole movie takes place on an elevator,
which is probably where I will die on an elevator,
really on the Tower of Terror. On the Tower of Terror,
so you would die going up, or you would die
in the actual right itself. Well, now it's guards in
the Galaxy. Oh it changed in l A. But in

(57:42):
Florida for like lawsuit reasons, because no, because they just
wanted to add a Marvel ride but tower. People have
died on the Tower of tot Also, have you seen
the Tower of Terror movie starring Kirsten Dunst. It was
a Disney Channel original movie about Tower of Terror. I
think it can maybe just a ride like as a

(58:05):
way to promote it. I feel like I've seen every
Disney Channel original every day. Yes you know that. I
that the girls were working specific age. If you were,
if you were watching Disney Channel as like like middle
school high school, you were like Friday Disney. If you

(58:29):
were our Lord and Savior Christy Carlson, Romano and newly
minted gay icon who also probably voted for drum Probably
um wait, I have seen this, Steve Guttenberg, Steve Gutenberg, Yes,
this is wild. If your life was a rom com,

(58:50):
what would the premise be? Love? I mean, I know
myself and my Leo behavior. My rom com would be
the one where like, oh, you're like you're you're like
in a high powered job and like you're you're sort
of mean and like you you yell at people and
then um, some like some person who like comes across

(59:12):
your path, Um, you find love? Love that I know exactly, Yeah,
you know, or like you know, I also think I
would be very much like intolerable cruelty like me and
my Like I could see myself in a rom com
where it's someone helps me find love, or it's the
reverse ones where it's like you are falling out of
love and you're feuding with your partner and then you

(59:33):
get back together at the ends, right right, you know
little Adam's rib moment. Mine would also be a workplace
comedy of some a workplace romcom of some kind, but
it would definitely be more of like an ugly Betty
scenario where I am, like, you know, executive assistant, like
can't fend for myself really like you know, just like
kind of bottom of the verial person in the environment.

(59:55):
And then it would definitely be makeover montage to like
win the guy or some thing like that. I don't know,
maybe my boss. Maybe it'd be a little risque, like
there's an element of like, you know, uh, forbiddenness to
our relationship. But I'm sure woman assistant love that pretty
woman meets the intern. Yeah, the intern y Yeah. And
my rom com would just be She's the man starring

(01:00:17):
a man to mine. No, that movie is iconic remains
in like the non binary of Pam Beyond. It's like
truly a transnarrative. I mean, my rom comm would definitely
be like derivative of a Shakespeare play. As I think,
you know, like some of the best rom coms we
have are based on classic literature. That's our era, that's

(01:00:41):
our era. They were, they were studios were like, who's
the shakespeak another romo and Juliet Let Yeah, I want
to I want to do a rom com based on
the Tempest. That would be amazing. Get over it is
been somewhere nice dream by the way, no way, Kirsten

(01:01:03):
Dunt and they are doing a production of Midsummer Night's
Dream play within a play. Yeah you got you gotta
see this movie. It opens up with him him being
dumped and um vitamin C and the rest of the
town like show up behind him and saying Captain and
Tinneil's love will bring us together. I love that. So
as we talk about rom coms, I think rom coms

(01:01:26):
were the way that a lot of us like learned
what we thought relationships were like. But what I'm interested
in is things that we found like sexy as kids
are like that we thought were the models of what
sexuality were like, and so I'm really interested in, like
through media, what your first experience of something you thought

(01:01:47):
was kind of sexy, you're like erotic? What? So I'll
give my example, which is the Flintstones movie which one
Viva Rock Vegas the originally so first some reason halle
Berry and Kyle McLaughlin had to me this like insane
electric sexual chemistry. And I remember as a child being like,

(01:02:12):
this is hot and this is how like adults are
sexy with each other? Is there like scheming and like, um, barefoot,
I love a scheme? Yeah, Taylor was in this movie. Yes,
I feel like made me feel like every romance he
pursue needs to have obstacles. Yeah, you can't just beat

(01:02:34):
somebody and start dating them. It's you have to overcome
them having another boyfriend, or it's like you are across
the globe from each other, or someone's scheming to keep
you apart. It's like you get turned on by obstacles. Unless,
of course, as we've discussed on this podcast before, it
is Twilight and there is no plot in the movie
at all, and there's no stakes to their relationship in

(01:02:55):
any way, and you're just in love and one of
you's a vampire. Yeah, Ira, what was your media sexual awakening?
I think about that. I mean it's so base, which
was I love horror movies, but you're like one elm Street,
you know, And it's it's not just like to like
the actual homoe erotic one. It's just like, wouldn't I

(01:03:17):
feel like those movies gave you like a hot guy
like a Johnny Depp or something. Yes, in a crop
top being stalked by the killer. Back to stalking, Yeah,
back to stalking. Honestly, this whole podcast is rounding to
a point, which is that stalking is hot and should
be more socially if you would like to stalk any
of us, and here are addressed security numbers. Here's my

(01:03:41):
preferred coffee shop Dred Pennsylvani. Yeah, we did it, Joe.
Well that could die too. That also could die. I
was with someone the other day who like earnestly was
like we did it, Joe, and like not even like

(01:04:02):
making you talk out of it, And I was like,
we're still doing that. It's been a year. Girl. Also,
what did you do? Um? Do you have a wish
for the holiday? Like a holiday message to share with everyone?
I do you know? Um? Be kind to one another,

(01:04:24):
be kind, and most importantly, be kind to yourself. Spend
that money on yourself. That's right, Go buy a book,
buy a trip to Prague. Everyone should do their version
of like last Remember when everyone used to say, treat yourself.
Everyone should like last holiday themselves? Oh my God should
cast their falling? Did did Queen Latifa invent self care?

(01:04:47):
Whatever you're like, If you're saving for something, look at
the world around you. Okay, look at it burning, and
take that thing you're saving for and go do something fun.
Just believing your possibilities. Yes, go to your sense, your
essence cart and and by the time, yes, we will

(01:05:12):
be back next week to have a discussion about, you know,
the birth of Jesus Christ, the War on Christmas. We'll
be talking about the eternal tension between religious Christmas and
capitalist Christmas. So before next week you should all crack
open your bibles. Um, turn turn to the Book of

(01:05:32):
No I'm just kidding. Um. You can, however, call us
to confess and let us know what is the thing
that in pop culture that you would just force all
of your friends to watch that you need them to
watch in order for them to understand who you are
as a person watch or read or you know, listen
to or experience in some cultural phenomenon. You can call

(01:05:55):
three to three Penance. That's three to three, seven three,
six to six to three. You can tweet us your
takes on this week's episode. Tell us what you really
think about Queen Latifa's red dress. Let me tell you.
Please leave us review on ap A podcasts, especially if
it's a positive review. It can be a little shady,

(01:06:16):
but like give us five stars. Thank you. I'm your
co host fran Toronto. You can find me at France
Squish go on all social media and sub stack and
I'm Rose damn You. You can find me at Rose
Damn You on Instagram, Twitter and now TikTok. That's right.
You can subscribe to like a Virgin wherever you listen
to podcasts. This is an I Heeart radio production. Our
producer is a Phoebe Inter, with support from Lindsay Hoffman,

(01:06:38):
Julian Weller, Jess Cranechitch and Nikki Etorp. Until next week,
See you later, her Jons. Christmas isn't canceled, but this
episode of this podcast is should We Hold Hands? And
Singing Tabu Dore have Mother