Gaslight, Gucci, Girlboss (feat. Hunter Harris)

If you saw the Lady Gaga film House of Gucci, you may have spent some of its 2-hour-and-40-minute runtime asking yourself… how would I have completely rewritten and edited this movie? This week, AMC Stubsinista Fran Tirado & Little Monster Rose Dommu invite Gagaologist & writer Hunter Harris to share her favorite lines and suggested cuts (and bonus takes on Adele, Disney Live Action remakes, Katy Perry, and Jeff Bezos’ Cinderella). Tangents include Ridley Scott’s stocking fetish, how the *real* Gucci family cyberbullied Al Pacino, a herstory of the Girlboss-to-Flop pipeline, and Olive Garden’s Chicken Parmigiana.

Plus: a requiem for Stephen Sondheim and his sex dunegon you’ll never get to go to now, opinions on Gossip Girl, the Janet doc & Grimes’ latest decree, and get out your guillotine for Fran & Rose’s recap of their Black Friday / Cyber Monday shopping <3

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
What did you just spare in your face James Trump
supporter Mario Vanesca. Oh yeah, oh yeah, baby, Oh I
feel refreshed. I didn't know Mario Vadesca was a Trump supporter.
Yeah yeah, I mean anybody with a name like that. Mommy,

(00:24):
I'm from a Long Island. How come we don't have
a segregation anymore? Wow? Girl? The kind of the entire
year has been leading up to this. Ever since we
first got those set photos of Lady Gaga and Adam

(00:46):
Driver in the snow. In the snow, we have been
waiting to talk about father son House of Gucci, and
today we are doing that with the perfect person to
talk about, truly perfect a a a Gaga scholar, a
movie critic, if you will, of which we are not. Yes,

(01:08):
Hunter Harris is here to talk about House of Gucci
with us. Also, I will say that, yes, I know,
this podcast is about us looking at yesterday's pop culture
and giving it today's takes. But this podcast is also
about popping your cherry about parts of pop culture that
you have an experience yet, and none of the three

(01:29):
of us, Fran Hunter I have seen House of Gucci,
so we are experiencing it for the first time along
with all of you. So today we are losing our
virginity with Lady Gaga in her sex scene with Adam Driver. Yeah,
just about the sex scene just forty five minutes. We're
going to talk about that sex scene. Rose, But before

(01:49):
we get to that, we're going to you know, do
some for play with the news of the week to
talk about what's going on in pop culture. So, as
I said, this is like a virgin I'm Rose, damn you,
and I'm fran Toronto. Let's get into it. The big
thing that I've been dealing with for for the past
week is just a lot of online shopping. It's like

(02:11):
become very toxic at this point. I honestly, I I
thought I was so alone in what is a morbid,
if not disgusting addiction to shopping. Um from myself. We
are together, well, when we started to become friends years ago,
it really it became quite clear very quickly that you

(02:31):
are just as sick in the head as I am. Well,
you know, I'm a tourist rising and I do like
to fill like the black pit of emptiness inside me
with things. I will also say, I mean not to
blow up our spot, but like, we worked in queer
media for a very long time, which is to say,
we were extremely underpaid for our jobs for an extremely
long time and have only ever operated under scarcity mentality.

(02:54):
So when you and I, for the first time in
our lives, have just a little bit of expendable income,
all of a sudden, any Instagram, I become the target
demographic for literally any product. Oh my god, I'm so
susceptible and like and like sometimes when I like send
people things that I want to buy, what I want
is for them to talk me out of it. Yeah,

(03:15):
you can't get wrong the wrong girl, because all you're
gonna do is say, oh, yeah, that's cute, Like why
don't you get this too? Why didn't you get this
more expensive version of I do? I do sometimes say like, no,
that's ugly. No, it's the wrong color, the wrong patterns
something I am ethical but fair. Um, But I do
feel for the most part, if you text me some

(03:38):
shopping link, I'm going to tell you to buy it. Yeah,
I mean. And Black Friday was like very dark this
year because Black Friday was the day that Stephen Sondheim
died and I was actually at the Mall in in
Florida when I found out, like walking through Nordstrom looked
down and gasped when I saw that Stephen Sondheim had

(03:58):
passed away. I think it's important text for the virgins
as well, that like, obviously we're always sad when like
cultural beham moths like pass away. But Sondheim is specifically
so one of your people. Oh, like so important to
me as a like theater kid who grew up loving

(04:20):
musical theater. Um, you know some of my favorite musicals
are Stephen Sondheim musicals. Um, I guess, like as sad
as I've been, it also has been very comforting just
to see someone pass away, but to know like that
they lived such a full life at the way that

(04:42):
Stephen Sonheim did, in the way that he contributed to culture.
I mean, he is, I do think, without hyperbole, the greatest,
most prolific queer artist of our lifetime, like we we don't.
The other thing is like his style of like how

(05:03):
he created his own work has influenced like an entire
genre of musical theater, like an entire yeah, and an
entire general like multiple generations of creators. He fundamentally changed
the landscape of American musical theater. And you know, when
we had the hot topic conversation and I couldn't think

(05:24):
of my favorite Tim Burton movie, it actually really was
Sweeney Todd and that was obviously in no small part too,
like how gorgeous the music is. Yeah, I mean, honestly,
Sweeney Todd is. I don't think it's a great movie,
but I haven't rewatched so, but it's an incredible musical,
incredible musical. I think I snuck actually took a bunch

(05:44):
of my cousins and we snuck into the theater to
go see that. And I think I told my parents
we were seeing like National Treasure too or something like that. Um,
I love Stephen Sondheim and I am sad that now.
My my friend Ryan said like that he was sad
that we'll never get to go to Steven Sonheim's Sex Dungeon,
which was like rumored to be a thing. Really. Yeah,

(06:08):
there's been so much TV coming out recently, and I
was very excited that Gossip Girl came out. It is
tis the damn season for gossip Girl. Like it was
just Thanksgiving and one of the only things that I
have to watch every year on Thanksgiving is the gossip
Girl Thanksgiving episode Blair Waldorf must Pie and I have

(06:29):
never actually seen the o G Gossip Girl. I think
I watched the first episode. Um, we obviously will be
doing an episode of the podcast on the o G
Gossip Girl. Well, my former roommate was in this batch
of episodes. Yeah, my my old roommate and friend, Cole
doman Um was in the third of the recent drop
of episodes. He plays the like demon twink that um

(06:52):
Aki goes on a date with my God, and he
was perfect. This reboot specifically really does champion, if not
encourage demon twink behavior, and that I think is maybe
one of like the things that is like most disturbing
to me about this rebote, even though I can't take
my eyes off of it. What do you love about
you know? It's it's gossip Girl, it's the drama, it's

(07:13):
new the new Oh, the soundtrack and this this current
crop of episodes definitely have some good needle drops. There
was a tailor song writer, Bunny as a writer. There's
an Olivia Roderick. You're your favorite Trader love Trader Um.
I do kind of need at some point for the

(07:33):
minion of Julian of the Zion and Zion I need
her to have like her own identity and storyline. These
characters need once and needs, they need desire. They they
only exist in proximity to the other characters, and like
when one of them is a black girl and the

(07:54):
other is trand and like to have them have like
no identity, like we don't nothing about them. I totally agree.
It's very like Flatsam and Jetsam, pain and panic in hercules,
like the two Crowns, just like the Lackeys, which is
like which is part of the Gossip Girl legacy. Like
you know, Blair in the original had minions who I

(08:14):
think she literally called minions, and they did not really
have identities and like only existed to serve her. But
I would hope that in Gossip Girl two point oh,
like flash off those characters a little. I want to
know more about their interior lives. I will say that
in the trailer for the next batch of episodes, Zion
like was kissing someone, so maybe we'll see character okay. Um.

(08:41):
I also have to say something that I very much
so appreciated about this latest drop of episodes was a
very necessary um cultural critique on uh Santa Con, which
is the worst thing that New York City does in
like the history of New York. It is a stain
on the legacy of New York. I did appreciate that

(09:01):
because I don't think there's another like TV show that
has has dealt with Santa Con like that, and how
horrible it is. Should we describe for people that don't
know what Santa Con is, like what, like what is it?
Santa don't we can actually know what it is. Santa
Con is when the inhabitants of murray Hill and Williamsburg
dress up in Santa Yeah, dress up in Santa alfits

(09:23):
and do a bar crawl around New York City. If
they're not in murray Hill, they're fight eye guys. It's
like very fight eye BROWI It's like cis culture, It's
heterosexual culture. It's an excuse today drink outside wearing Santa costumes.
And I have seen with my own eyes Santa's stripping
on the streets. I've seen many Santa I've seen at

(09:44):
least to Santa's bar like on the street in like
Lower Manhattan. I have seen some Santa's do disgusting things,
and I cannot believe that it still exists as a
cultural object. I definitely have before, like been on grinder
ring Santa Con and had someone hit me up and
it's like, say they were at Santa Con, And I've

(10:06):
had to have that moment of checking in with myself saying,
am I about to invite someone in a Santa costume
over to my apartment and possibly engage in some kind
of Santa role play? And I never have, And honestly,
I'm kind of sad that that's an experience I've missed.
I absolutely would have. I absolutely would have, but I

(10:26):
would have been it. Maybe one day I will. Yeah,
who who you know? One day? Who knows? What else
have you been watching? Recently? I watched UM the Janet doc.
The so the New York Times did the Brittany doc
that everyone was talking about this year that you know whatever.
Very I thought it was like an okay documentary, but
maybe they were like the first to really consolidate all

(10:50):
of these things that had happened to Brittany and in
a place where everyone was going to watch it. Um,
but they did a new one with basically the same
conceit for Janet Jackson and what happened to her at
the a Bowl and when Justine Chamberlake exposed her sexually
assaulted her on stage basically, and then she was like
beyond the height of her career, a legend, a like

(11:12):
completely a complete mononym as a pop star, and then
all of a sudden her career came to a screeching
halt because of that moment. And you know, I thought
I was going to go into it being like, oh,
this is just gonna make me mad all over again,
but I actually felt it was pretty well reported and
I really appreciate it. And Jenna Weretham, who does still processing.

(11:34):
It's like a friend of mine and she was in
the documentary and she everything she said was so amazing. Um.
And I also loved that they included women and their
opinions in this documentary because the Brittany Dock like all
they had was that evil lawyer and then those like
two bloggers that were kind of like, I guess, the
comedic relief of the documentary, and so with this one,

(11:54):
I felt like they may be honestly solved for that,
and like the sources were overwhelmingly women, which I appreciated. However,
I really wish that they had angled the story a
little more on Janet, Like the way that the sources
were arct was really more about the build up leading

(12:17):
up to the Super Bowl and how it was already
an extremely high stakes environment involving the culture wars of
that era and like religious fanatics basically really really trying
to crack down on what is on broadcast television. And
and then you have Janet who is a woman who
is sexually liberated, and like society doesn't know what to
do with that, and so obviously there was it was

(12:39):
an explosive moment, but all in all, I felt like
satiated that it is a conversation we should continue to
have about Janet and who she was and like what
she still can contribute to what we're doing culturally. And
I really hope that the gays listening to this are
going to rally around Janet the way we're raillying around Brittany.

(13:01):
Obviously not to conflate the two obviously completely different situations,
but I would just hope that culturally we understand like
what Janet has done and continues to do. UM, were
you a virgin? A Janet stand? I I do like Janet.
I really like UM. When I was in college, was
right when Discipline came out that which has feedback on

(13:23):
it amazing song. Um, did you see that Grimes has
made her return to social media. Yeah, it's it's it's
you know, on on the day that we're recording this
podcast really only in its seminole uh kind of phase,
but I feel like this is going to be a beat.
We will continue to reports watch. Yeah, So what did

(13:45):
she say? Actually didn't Actually she came she came back
to TikTok and was like talking about how she's traumatized
from being so in the public spotlight and how she
now wants to start using her platform to have like
radically transparent conversations about like wealth distribution. Um, it's such

(14:07):
a hard and fast turn. Yeah, you know she used
the word traumatized. Yeah, she did. That sucks and like
I mean I'm sure it was traumatizing. Yeah. Yeah, you know,
like we will truly never understand what it's like to
be famous on that scale of Um. At the same time,

(14:27):
you know, as like many people in the comments were saying,
it's just very hard to have sympathy for her. So
you know, like we'll see if if she does anything
more than like stage photos of her reading the Communist Manifesto.
But I I you know, I remain a Grimes fan.
I do love her music, and I mean ultimately, like

(14:48):
this is all promo because she did announce that she
has a new song coming out. You are kidding, No,
you're kidding me. Fuck, that's so hard. Well, I think
now the biggest thing on my mind is now that
we're past Thanksgiving, it is Christmas. I mean well, I
mean technically we're in the middle of Hanagah right now.
Hogsa maya to all my my Jewish girls out there.

(15:12):
But we are fully in Christmas mode. I told you
about this. Yesterday. I was listening to a Christmas pop
playlist and the most curse Christmas song I've ever heard
came on. It's called Stretchy Pants by Carrie Underwood, and
it's about wanting to wear your stretchy pants during the
holidays so that you can eat as much as possible.

(15:36):
And she does say in the song that she doesn't
want to wear those other bridges a queen of rhymes,
What does she rhyme bridges with? I don't remember. I
hope it's bitches or witches. It's not bitches. It's like
you like expect the word to be bitches. And she says, Bridges,
you sent me this song, and I think that Megan

(15:57):
Trainer should send a cease and desist because it is
a Megan Trainer or you a trainer. They're not called
according to me, they aren't. So it was just Thanksgiving.

(16:24):
Thanksgiving famously all about family, and I spent my Thanksgiving
with my family, by which I mean with Lady Gaga,
because Lady Gaga is my mother, sister, grandmother, wife, daughter, father, father, son.
House of Gucci. Um. That is the voice of Hunter Harris,
who we have in the studio today. Writer Um, creator

(16:48):
of amazing newsletter Hung Up that I read obsessively, honestly
several times. Letter that's like worth the subscription, honestly, Like
newsletters are like hard to you know, everyone has a newsletter.
Newly minted writer on Gossip Girl, Yes, and her historian
of Gaga's acting career. I mean, you've been on it

(17:09):
on the beach. I'm happy to have gotten on the
ground level with the star was born and now listen,
I can watch a budding actor really take her thrown.
Have you seen the film like multiple times at this
point or have you only seen it once. I've only
seen how a Gucci once and that is because it's
very long and it just came out like four days ago.

(17:30):
Did you see it in theaters or did you get
a screener? What was the situation? No, no no, no, I
saw it in theaters. I saw it like I escaped
my family on Thanksgiving Day and said, I am leaving
for an appointment, and I just went to see it
by myself. I had an appointment with the Lord, and
so it was me by myself at the Cinemark Tulsa.

(17:52):
And I, okay, I'm actually so glad you asked, because
it was pretty incredible. Um so, Like I was the
first one in the theater, but just embarrassing, sitting in
the very back row on like the far right corner.
And um, I like saw people like filing in. It
was like a bunch of like like couples, like adults, um,

(18:13):
and every husband was like talking to each other about
like the football game that was I guess on at
the same time, and well, listen, they have their religion
and I have mine. Um, And like these two husbands
were like, man, I wish I was watching the game
as their guys, Like yeah, me too. And their wines
are like like shushing them. Um and it's it's actually

(18:37):
a cinema theater, not like like not an AMC. So
I did not get to see the Nicole Kidman like
heartbreak feels good in a place like this? Is that
what it is? Some of her best work? I listen.
I don't believe she. I think that Nicole Kidman wrote, directed,
um Ran produced that entire like Cinna Mark or AMC

(19:01):
doesn't know that that exists. What's your jet? It's her
like ideal setup. Do you like have snacks? Do you
like have a do you need to have something that
you need when you go to the like to see
a movie? Um, it depends. My favorite movie theater in
New York is the Battery Park Regal because it's in
between listen, it's in between a shake shack and a

(19:22):
bagel place, and I would love to take my little
snacks and they wouldn't ever care if I smuggle at
something in I loved the Battery Park Theater that was
like I mean, it was always empty. There was kind
of a Whole Foods nearby, so I could grab a
sandwich and like walking and they never cared and never
cared r I P because I guess it's doesn't exist anymore.
Question mark. I'll say Father's Son House of Gucci to

(19:45):
our fallen soldier. So is that our new punctuation for everything?
Father's Son has a Gucci? Like? Does it apply to
every situation? I say it out of context all the time,
all the time. I went to Catholic school. It just
like rolls off the tongue. O. Really, So were you
having some throwbacks from There's not really a ton of Catholicism,
I guess in the movie, but there's like a it's implied,

(20:06):
it's I mined because it's Italian Italian and they are
you are in a church at some point? Yeah, oh yeah,
for the wedding scene, yes, yes, And it doesn't that
fight outside of the church, Yes, it doesn't. Doesn't Mauricio
say that he wants Gucci to be like a church
of fashion. Oh yes, the Vatican of fashion. Right, that's
the moment, which, honestly I loved that line. That was

(20:27):
on my favorite lines in the movie especially. I think
it contectualises really well, like how Gucci had entered her
flop era, Like generally, Yeah, it was like an interesting
point for like the film in general to come in
and like I'd be curious to know just like on
a first impression or even we can start from the
beginning of the movie, because I feel like I thoroughly
enjoyed the first thirty minutes of the movie and like

(20:50):
them falling in love and like all that stuff, and
then felt a different way. But like, what were you
feeling about it? It was just like there's so much
happening in Like Lady Gaga is so perfect at like
being this like flour being like in love. That's iff
I thought I found very compelling and it's like so funny.
Like to contrast her against Adam Driver, who as an
actor bass was a character. It was like so much

(21:10):
more straight lay, so much more serious, and he did
not seem as playful even their meat cute at that party,
She's like at home like this disco scene, and he's
like behind the bar for no reason, question mark. I mean,
I don't know, but he was wearing that bad wig badly.
Um your thoughts on the wig, Okay, I think that

(21:32):
the wig budget on House of Gucci was lower than
the last tool because the last tool had better whigs.
I guess probably fewer of them too, but like Adam
Driver's wigs were not very good in House with Gucci,
and I was kind of disappointed Gaga's wigs. I mean,
they were gotgags. You know, whoever is doing the film
is not doing Gogga's wigs. House of Gaga is doing makeup, wigs, everything,

(21:57):
which I think really speaks to Patriots yet in this
world right that she's like sort of um an interloper,
a new person, like fish out of water, like she
should feel sort of out of top. And it was
funny to like kepting like a visual gag for the
whole movie, that she's just more more dressed than everyone,
Like other people like just wearing clothes, but Gaga is

(22:18):
like wearing fashion and every single scene, and I that
was like sort of one of my favorite parts about
her performance in this What did you think, I mean,
what were you prepared for it? Going into House of Gucci?
I heard, I was okay. I don't think I heard
anything like super Pro or super Con. I honestly I
would like it more, but I did feel like it,

(22:38):
like the plotting of the movie, like the script itself,
felt kind of bloated in a way that I thought
really like undercut its momentum, so a lot of times
I was like, okay, here I go, like sitting through
like ten boardroom scenes like I really don't care about,
like I just want to see I just want to
see more of like Gaga and Salamahai talking about like

(22:59):
no more spells like we need like Mamahias showed up.
I cackled very it was amazing. I agree, Like I
think the first like weirdly very much like A Star
is Born, which I think is a great movie up
through shallow and then kind of falls apart. Um. I
think House of Gucci is really great up until kind

(23:22):
of like the sex scene, the wedding to exqueeze me. Oh,
the sex scene incredible. That was the moment where I
was like, this is going to be the best movie ever.
And then it But but it had been talked up
so much, like what was it? Um, they were on
some talk show and someone was saying, this is the
best sex scene that's been in a film in years,

(23:44):
and it was that. It was really just like like
I hadn't seen that much about the sex scene. I
just like saw people talking about it, and I was like,
it's going to be like wild and not that's gonna
be good, It's gonna be crazy. And I could not,
in my wildest dreams have imagined that it was going
to be just like this, like so much grunting. I

(24:07):
was like, gotta what with very girls. I will say
it was the most sex scene that I've ever witnessed,
and well yeah, well everyone, it was the most of
many things. It was the most sex scene. It was
the most looks, it was the most acting. There was
so much acting happened to varying degrees of success. Yes,

(24:31):
My like, my biggest takeaway from the entire movie, which
I think you can see very clearly in that sex
scene too, is that it's like Adam Driver's in one
movie and Gaga was like just simply in three other
different movies and different. Jared Leto isn't Jared Letto is
on in a movie. He's like in a sketch room.
I think you should leave. That was like I was

(24:52):
actually surprised that I didn't really mind like the prosthetics
so much with him, but he just was so like
cartoonish and I was like, wait, nothing, this person is
saying can I take seriously or even feels like important
to any other story and all of his punch lines
were like it was like, it was very like it
was very totally off from what everything else that was happening.
I honestly felt like they could have fully cut Jared

(25:14):
leto and it would have been a tighter, better movie,
right because nothing, nothing like regarding him actually held any weight.
Like all of the al Pacino stuff could have existed
without that character intact, and it would have been just
like as compelling of a of an arc there and
al Pacino was great, incredible listen father's son al Pacino, Um,

(25:36):
I will always read for my man. To me, like
there was this very fast transition between what was demure,
I'm just an accountant, Gaga, I'm just like an innocent
girl who's kind of weirdly obsessed with this guy, maybe
for a money reason, to like, I have a mullet

(25:58):
now and I'm worrying, I have added shoulders and I
have a bullet, and I care a lot about these
counterfeit bags. And to me, it was like, I mean,
I don't say this as a critic, I say this
as as a faggot. This movie would have done really
well with a makeover montage. You know what I mean,
or something that like showed Gaga's kind of like come

(26:20):
up in or her just like her moral center kind
of shifting. I think she could have used orange hair.
She has to be a brunette when she has the accent.
I mean she said that herself in the contract. It did.
It did make me think of how there was like
a story circulating after a Star is Born where she

(26:43):
was talking about how when the movie ended she had
to shake off Ali and so then the night that
she wrapped, she bleached her hair blond again. And I
was a girl, it's going to fall out to chill,
you know. But the thing is, like a Gaga, It's
in her contract. She has to be Burnett. She has
to have a gay best friend in every movie. She
had a gay best friend in this movie for half

(27:04):
a scene. Did you notice that, Oh, the guy that
she went to the park just go with ye yeah
yeah like um. And she also has to, I would
wager always have a scene with a bathtub, and she
had to in this movie. Her bathtubs three she had three, right,
We're right, the one at the very end, yes, resonant

(27:26):
bathtub scene. I will say this. I was so like,
oh my gosh, I don't ever going to catch on fire,
Like there were so many candles around. I was like,
this is like maybe too many, and then I was
like no that definitely they were added in posts like
no candles like choked that well on camera. Um, it
does seem like the kind of movie though, where if
he had accidentally caught on fire, they would have kept it. Oh,

(27:48):
for sure there was something. Yeah, you feel like there
were some moments where that they kept, like when Gaga's
hat fell off, for like, there were other little moment
there were a lot of improvisation. Father son House of
Gucci famously improvised. I guess you know she did go
to the Bradley Cooper school of acting, where things aren't written,
they are felt in the moment. I will say, speaking

(28:09):
of m Bradley Cooper, I kept imagining him watching this
movie a little makeup wipe in his pocket, just like
just just go to the screen and just like wipe
off the makeup. It sounds like like the lipstick. I
was like, he's having a fit right now watching he was.
He was watching it thinking, you're so fucking also improvised

(28:33):
that famously. Yeah, that movie A Star was Born had
no script. It had it had like vibes and grunts
and like tequila. Didn't they do that for Yes? Yes?
And Bronzer. Wasn't that what they did for um Blue
Valentine sorry to invoke her name. Remember that Ryan Gossling
Michelle Williams movie. Remember that was almost rated NC seventeen

(28:55):
because of the sex scene. Yes, I remember it. I
almost get kicked out of that movie. That was like
the word because I was seeing it and I think
it was like umift and so I had like, you know,
it's like whatever, I take it fort her movie and
then like running that one, and I think that like
the theater had like known that, like teens were sneaking
in this is like you know, also peak rng Gossling.

(29:18):
That was like such a formative movie for me being
on Tumblr. Don't think method act in that that didn't
the director be like Okay, go into this room and
have a fight or something like that, or yeah, I
think so, But I don't know the thing about the
House of Gucci. It's like the improv in this movie
is just like at a different like vibration than because
it's just like Gaga as an actress, as Patrizia as

(29:42):
someone who like has his hair like it was just
because she is, she is the final word on who
this woman is, even though this woman is a real person.
When she said no one was going to tell me
who patreats Gucci is not even Gucci, I said amen,
and I said and I said, didn't thank you? And
I said, thank you. It's just like it's so it's

(30:05):
actually funny because before I came here, I was like,
you know, prepping, and I was rereading, um all of
the stuff that actual Gucci family had said when they
were shooting it, and like you know, there was like
paparazzi photos of like how everyone looked and the fact
that the Guccies, who own none of the company, we're
going so hard, Like Alpaccino is ugly in this movie,
and my great great uncle was not ugly. He wasn't

(30:27):
a handsome Italian man. I was like, first of all,
how dare you? And second of all, what bullying? Cyber
bullying Alpacrino. It's like, oh my gosh. And there's like
they're saying that like Jared Leto, I mean, I don't
like to acknowledge Jared Little's presence in this movie, but

(30:48):
that he looked so ugly and that it was like
an embarrassment to their family. I was like, okay, kind
of go in. Also, I'm sorry your family is embarrassing,
like objectively like girl, like this is all embarrassing. That's
they made a movie about it. Someone who works with
Gucci told me that Patricia actually never wore Gucci. She
was always in St. Laurent. So the Gucci family I'm

(31:10):
sure took a fue with that too. There were a
lot of choices they had made in this film, but
I wish that they had made more choices about focusing
on what Gaga was doing, because she was the best part.
She was like the shining star of the movie. I
know she should have been lit actually in every shot,
and like my favorite part of it were her reactions.
There's one scene that's really stuck with me, and it's

(31:32):
when she's leaving their ski chalet and he's looking at
the window and she's getting in the car and I'm
going to turn. She looks back up in the window
and it's just the camera on her face looking at
him for like too long. Mascara stayed in her ches truly,

(31:53):
like does like Gaga's faces and this are so funny
because she she had like the big expressive eyes and
there was like looking at you the eyes truly It's
like if looks could kill, I remember would have been
dead at like truly twenty minutes and like that was, um,
you know, she is like very she does have a

(32:14):
very expressive face. Like I think the movie made good
use of that. In terms of like Gaga performances and
scenes that stuck out to me. The first one that
I think of is, um, well, okay, important contexts actually
to talk about our movie viewing experiences. Um, I saw this.
There was like an early release on Tuesday before Thanksgiving

(32:34):
in West Hollywood, and so I went basically, what is
opening night in West Hollywood? And sigh, but I did,
And of course I go into this movie and it's
like just all like just it packed with like the
kind of whitest like gayest men you've ever seen in
your life. And so when Nicole Kidman like sat down

(32:57):
like to do like her thing in my AMC stuff
rewards like the theater whatever she goes in and one
of one of the girls is like yes, Nicole, like
like fully, heckly, what's happened? So this was like the
ambiance that I'm in, we were people wearing Gucci. That's
an important question. I didn't see any Gucci. The look

(33:21):
in Hollywood is like I just left the gym, like
I'm in Lulu Lemon, Like I that disrespectful. It is disrespectful.
Are you wearing Gucci when Gucci? Girl? No, I was
wearing this vintage sweatshirt. I wore Gucci for this record.
But it's the but you know, it's just a little

(33:41):
not Anyways, there's a scene where Gaga and Adam Rever
and her kids are sharing like a Christmas together and
their mayor just kind of falling apart, and they're exchanging
gifts and the second Gaga opens the package and she
pulls out this thing and she says a Bloomingdale gift card.
The entire theater just like a chorus of like gay gas.

(34:07):
He might as well have slapped her in the face.
In the face, honestly, he should wake up and apologize.
It was one of the most emotionally devastating things I
had ever seen, And it's because of how God got
carried that moment, but also because I was in a
crowd of people that felt the exact same thing. I did.
I honestly would love a Bloomingdale's gift card as a gift.

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Is House of Gucci a Christmas movie? Now? Canonically? Absolutely?
Are we like putting it in the same category as
the Holiday? And Dr seusays, how the Bridge still Christmas?
I will yeah, I'll call it a Christmas movie? Will
you be watching it again? Do you have a desire? Yes?
Because and this is how I feel about the movie.

(34:48):
It's like, for how much of it, I really just
kind of like sat through the parts that hit hit
so like precisely and pristinely, like the Bloomingdale scene, um,
other scenes like the scene um like I mean like
the sex scene, like the bathtub scene. I mean this
is like random, but I was obsessed with the Anna

(35:11):
Wintour Andre Leon Tally scene. It is it is like
actually pure comedy, like like all the tom Ford stuff too,
was just so like crazy. I was like, what am
I witnessing right now? Other than like actually like an
SNL sketch. Um, well that's what the trailer felt like.
I for like the whole lead up to this movie,
did not think it was a real movie. I thought

(35:31):
it was annel digital short based on the trailer. UM
and I can't believe it actually exists. No. Watching it,
I was like, I cannot believe it, Like this is
the accent that we're really getting for an entire movie,
every fire movie, and everyone talks about Gaga's accent, and
really it was Adam whose accent was bad, every every accent, everyone,
all of us in this room. Could anyone else have

(36:11):
played this role? I really don't think so. M M
a canonically Italian woman? What act what canonically Italian actress? Well,
I mean this script had gone around for what like
ten years or something like a lot of a lot
of actress. Yes, a lot of actresses came in and
actually should I look it up? So Angelina Jolie and

(36:33):
Leonardo DiCaprio were rumored to play Patricia and Maurizio. That's crazy.
It was going to be missed for and Mrs Smith
as a period in piece. What would that have been
a better movie? I think that movie would have been
so much more about like like the actual palace intrigue
of like Who's gonna take a ver Gucci? Like much more.

(36:54):
This is like not to make this comparison like a succession.
He kind of look at like a volley for Power,
And I actually liked that, Like the Gaga version of
this movie was not so much about the belt about
the volley for power that it was more about like,
you know, this woman really coming in and shaking up
this family. Um, And I think that like that was
I think you kind of saw at least I felt

(37:16):
like I saw like like the remnants of like a
different kind of movie in this one where it's like,
oh my gosh, here we go, like talking about business again,
math again. Although I will say that, um, oh my gosh,
who's um Jack Huston. I really liked him in this
as just um, like the advisor, like the second in

(37:37):
command to who eventually became the CEO. Yes, I mean Trader.
He related girl Boss his way. This this movie was
guy's like GATECPE girl Boss from different. I didn't think
like um for Treaty was like a girl boss ahead
of her time, like to as O N Like where

(38:03):
did you notice that? Like what what moments are you
clocking the girl bossiness? Well in the first scene when
she is like they shouldn't be like selling fakes and
then another scene when she s our name um, And
there's one other scene when she is like when she's

(38:23):
fussing with Adam Driver, like in the Um when he
when he tells her like I don't want you involved,
like I don't want you giving me advice anymore, Like
she is like mine, I'm running the company, You're not
like the CEO of this business. And she was like
kind of despondent. I mean that I did feel like
she actually want to just be a businesswoman and also
just like kick him out specifically because she was so upset.

(38:45):
It is like a very like weird cautionary tale about
how about like um inspiring a man too much, you know,
like me, she did, and she gave him a taste
of power and then he realized he he liked it
after refuting it for so long and like wrestling with

(39:05):
those car mechanics or whatever. Yeah, and I do see
what you mean. Like if the movie had been maybe
more focused on Adam on Adam Driver, um, like it
would have been maybe a little bit more about that,
because you see like the glimmerings of that about how
you know, like around the Anna Wintour scene when he's
like buying all this ship and you know, really like

(39:26):
taking control of Gucci, Like there's kind of a different
movie than the one that Gaga's in. Um, And I
think like the disconnect is that those two are like
almost two at odds. Yeah, even like the tom Ford
stuff where you're seeing like this classic brand be revit
like you're seeing Adam Driver's plan for a couch like working.
That's it was interesting, but it kind of did feel

(39:47):
get detracted from, just like the drama of like this
crazy marriage in which like they are like trying to
fight over was ultimately his job, Like I didn't need
the stuff with the loafer, you know, the lower with
the gold leaf in the toe, and like as as
as as as emotional as al Pacino crying was, that

(40:09):
was really good. When he covered his face, I thought
immediately also also like trag, when is that going to
find its way onto your Twitter or into your news letter?
I mean as soon as possible. Honestly, here we go.
I buy such a moment. Yeah, it really was. It's
very like and you're kind of a Pacino scholar. I listen,

(40:32):
he said, I pretend I do not see it, Like
whatever is happening in this room, I don't want to
be a part of it. Um, I would be pissed
if Adam Driver came in with that wig and was
like trying to get me out of my own that
we also, like I don't believe. I guess, I mean,
this is probably it probably really happened, but it seemed
weird to me that at that point when Adam Driver

(40:54):
was like buying you know, like Lamborghinis and stuff, why
was he riding a bike? Well, I said, because like
it wasn't that long of a journey. But I do Italian,
I do want to go back to the scene in
the boardroom because that was my favorite scenes. Crazily, even
though I did not like all the business stuff. Um,
when Adam Driver just like has been in the next
room the whole time, like his family is like being

(41:16):
ripped apart, like drag within an edge of their life,
and he just like pops his head in like Trio
the whole time. It was very hey, guys, it's very
um Alyssa Edwards behind the two way mirror and drag
right all stars to um. I feel like, yeah that
I like cowardice. Cowardice. Yeah, those were the moments where

(41:42):
I was like I was like, give me the give
me the like the mumble car, give me, like say,
give me something from your character as like kind of
a I guess a weasel like that was the thing
to me, is like from Adam Driver specifically. I didn't
really know how I was supposed to feel about his
character at at many different moments, And at the beginning

(42:02):
I was like, Oh, this is a like I thought
they were trying to do the Gaga is the smart
business one and she is an accountant at you know,
with her the movie company, and like that's why she's
so good at this and all the different stuff, and
he like is this privileged kid who has no idea
what he's doing. And then they kind of discarded that immediately.
I think, honestly, there were a lot of the things

(42:23):
that I didn't like about the movie. I was like,
I wondered if it was because they were trying too
hard to stick to the true story, which wouldn't make
sense because they threw away so much of ther they
did not they could more artistically, and they like wedge
him in probably because of like his Gucci ambassadorship. I

(42:44):
feel like, right, yeah, and he was just in an
entirely different movie than the rest of them. He was
in that Marvel movie that he's going to be in
where he's the vampire superhero. I know you don't like
to technology as presence, but what were the things about
like his performance that you did not like? Um, I
don't know. I thought it like just so cartoonish and

(43:05):
clownish when it's like Gaga and also Adam Driver and
also Alpaco and everyone else, like no one was like silly.
Like he was just so silly that I was like,
it's actually hard to like square, Like that was like
the most totally incoherent part of the movie, but like
he injected into his veins, like it was just so like,

(43:26):
oh now we have like forty five minutes of like
fucking comic relief that no one really needs. Sort of
like the actual material itself was like funny and strange
and odd enough. I don't need like these like kind
of silly punchlines every like to end every scene to
drive home that like this is ultimately all kind of
like fashion and silly and funny and all that. It

(43:47):
just felt like really like nailing, like banging me over
the head with like this intense sort of like not
symbolism but just like metaphor. I don't know, I just
was onto that that part of it for me was
like it when it became a movie that was trying
to be a film. And I do think those are
like two very different things. Um, when Jared Letts like

(44:10):
character has like basically no function other than comedic relief,
I think it's kind of like I love that you
said like no one was silly except for him, because
I totally agree because Gaga brought camp, sure, but like
that doesn't make it silly. She's very intentional, she was
very grounded in her in her insanity, and he was
just like on a whole other like, I mean, okay,

(44:33):
the Anna Wintour was also very silly, yes, but that
was like a flash of just like you know, true comedy. Um,
but that's not goofy though, That's like not goofy in
the same way. And I found everything and it was
I think I'm not been thinking about it more. It's
like those that are just hit the same one note
of goofy nous in a way that I just was

(44:53):
like kind of off put by, if that makes any sense.
And it's like he was always like just cartoonishly pagerck
that I was like, you know, I've had enough of it.
I've had my fill of this actually, um, and would
love to just move on to I like the Ski
Shelley stuff. Oh excuse me, moment of silence for Gaga saying, oh,

(45:15):
you can escort her out. She kicked that woman, She
evicted her, her and her prosthetic nose. She said, cut
the camera's dead as was that a prosthetic? Yeah, because
that that that actress, that was not that's not what
she looks like. Okay, it was a bull choice, yeah,
giving giving her the hug and then get her out

(45:38):
of here. I will say like that was a moment
of betrayal that I haven't seen since like The Godfather.
It was like she kissed her and said get the
funk out, not even to her face, which is like,
somehow the worst rudest part of it, that you tell
someone else to make me leave. Just tell me yourself,

(46:00):
like I'm right here, and just say it to me.
And she did just kind of accept it. She knew
though she knew her time was up. Her entrance into
the film. I mean, I'm with a little jarring. Yeah, okay,
thank you. I thought maybe it was a me thing
because I'm really bad at retaining crucial information and films. Um,
but I when she like skied down and they started talking,
I was like, who is who is this supposed to be?

(46:22):
I was like, why is she important? Why? Why is
so much building up to like Adam Driver and her
cheating or what like. I just didn't see that coming,
I guess. And there were moments like that where I
was like, why are why is the screenwriter like really
just you know, betting that you're gonna know the original
story and moments like that, but then over explain like,

(46:43):
you know, things like Gaga forging the signature or whatever, right,
because that's what I found out, like seeing this movie
with my mom and then talking about it at Thanksgiving's, Like,
people who were culturally aware during the time that this
happened don't really remember it. I was going to ask
both of you how much if you how much you
knew going into it and of the murder of the story,

(47:04):
like if you had, like I don't know redit primers
and you know nothing. The only thing I knew was
that Patricia now like walks the streets of Milan with
a parrot on her shoulder. That was literally, yeah that's
what she does. Yeah, she's she's been released from prison
and she lives in Italy and is like known for
walking around with a parrot on her shoulder. There are

(47:24):
many photos I'm not Angucci in same around probably that is.
Oh yeah, and she gets like a crazy amount of alimony.
Oh I did read that just today. Yes, it's like
like almost two million dollars I think a year, and
also like back paid from whenever she was in prison, right,
and she didn't receive those payments. Um, that's a lot

(47:45):
of parents. And I will say, we love divorce. Thank
God for not airtight prenup um. I also went into
a cold did you watch stuff? Did you? Because also
like I really had no idea about this before this
movie was announced, and I kind of wanted to go
in that way just because you know, whatever Gaga says
happened is what I believe happened is rewriting history. She's

(48:09):
writing history for the first time. Is yeah. I thought
to me, like moments like the bathtube scene or actually,
honestly another reason why Jared Letto was never needed. It's
like the natural comedy of like their meat cutes and
like that them getting to know each other and like

(48:29):
the little I mean they loved like a sharp cut
after like a jokey moment, like a lot of that
happening in the first three minutes. That to me was
like I would have watched that. I would have watched
two hours and thirty eight minutes of that, you know
what I mean, maybe not as you know, profound, as
like a financial thriller or whatever. And that was the movie.
And I also wanted more towards the end of her,

(48:52):
like post murder, because it felt very weird that it
was like he gets killed, she's in the bath having
that like kind of like sorrowful yet almost like orgasmic moment,
and then it's like two years later and she's in court,
Like I want to see more of that, Like that
was the interesting part to me. Um, So it was

(49:13):
kind of like upsetting that we didn't get more of it. Yeah,
I in a similar vein. I think I wanted to
see more of her dealing with a fallout from him
not being married to her anymore. Like I think we
only got maybe a couple of beats of her just
like being enraged that they weren't longer together because she did.
I think Goda came to this conclusion, and I think

(49:34):
you kind of get it from the movie too, that
like she did actually love him, like she loved him,
but she's also jealous of him, but she also presented
him and she also you know, thought that he was
like an idiot and like mismanaged the business all these things.
But I would have really loved to see a couple
more scenes of her, like being a single mom, like
being just pissed about. It escalates so quickly, like all
of a sudden, she's leaving him these wild voicemails and

(49:56):
casting spells against him, and then the where the stakes,
where of those stakes come from? And then she's like
getting divorce papers. She's like getting divorce papers at a
soccer game, it looks like. And then it's like leaving
all these angry voicemails. And I was like, hmm, interesting
heightening there. But I did read just today that Um,
in real life, Rittie went off to a business like

(50:19):
at a business trip and then just like didn't ever
come back. I was like, now that is t actually
break up the marriage, but that is how I will
end one day, maybe my second marriage. Okay, wait, speaking
of divorce, though, what song off of thirty was she

(50:40):
listening to? Oh my god, what's her song? Um? If
it's not I drink wine, it could have been to
be loved. Maybe maybe it was one of the angrier
songs and what do what song do you think it is?
I would say, can I get it? Can I get it?

(51:02):
She said? Can I get it? A little bit of
murder and I get it? Maybe women like me she
wired those Oh okay, interesting bull She wired three euros
to that hit man and she put drop the needle on.
Can I get She brought it in double bag do.
That scene was one of the highlights of the movie

(51:23):
to me, And like, I think her face in that
scene is like so memorable of her sitting at the table. Yes,
that scene could have been its own movie. Actually, like
just like the little ways, like the little just like
um misunderstandings between these assassins and these two women who
were like I'm actually trying to pay you and you're
like not letting me and Sma hyak with the like

(51:44):
hot topic red hair, oh yes, and she's like, this
is not the number that we agreed upon. Actually, you
cannot up charge me right now. Selma was incredible, under
underutilized completely. That's why I was like, if we took
movies now Colonels and House of Gucci where I wanted
more Salma Hunter you disagree, Listen, you put some in

(52:07):
a mud bath and that is money well spent. That
was incredible. That was so luxurious. That was like finally
a little bit of like actually true weirdo luxury in
this movie. And they're talking about spells and also like
this was like I wanted to see one of the
spells though I could have. I could on for a spell.
Maybe that was one of the cut scenes. I could one.

(52:28):
But it's also funny that it's like the guc Is
are like very Catholic and like they're very Italian, and
yet she said, you know toiled toiled boiler. Yeah, I
feel like when I feel like, I mean, oh, I
forgot to I forgot to say um. After Angelina Jolie

(52:50):
didn't work out for Patrizia, they then reached out to
Penelope Cruz and then they talked to Margo Robbie. What
they are is a version of this movie where Margot
Robbie plays are you a Robbin Easta? I mmmm? Not
over Goda, No, no I am. But that would have

(53:12):
been such a different movie, Like I think it would
have been almost sadder in a way. I mean, at
the top of my mind right now is Margot Robbie
and Titania, which I find like a very tragic performance.
And and I don't know that I really want Patriotia
to be like sad in this, Like I kind of
like that Gaga leaned so much into the rage of
this woman who again grew up as too close to

(53:35):
the sun. Absolutely, because you have to understand why she
is led to having him literally murdered, right she said, Actually,
it's not enough that you like if you are not
with me, you know, with an Nie one, and you
can tell that this is a bad romance. You can
know that, you know, Gaga did at least google Patrizia,

(53:55):
because if you google image searcher, every single photo is
like you which eyes filled with rage. She just looks
rageful in every single image. You know. It was another

(54:25):
scene that this was like a very jarring moment for me.
The scene where they go on the boat and she
folds her coat up to put it on the floor.
It was like two, I guess, like give him head.
It was so weird but beautiful, Okay, I was gonna

(54:47):
say it was giving me like so um Bridget Jones Diary.
You know the one scene when like, um, Hugh Grant
like tips over in the don't really mind me at that,
But then I also kind of feel like at least
got has like a stalking fetish, like a little bit
of a foot fetish. M vibe. Well, I think I
think it's like fun and funny. Um. There was this

(55:09):
one intervieweated with Kyle Buchanan for Vulture like four years ago,
I think about All the Money in the World where
he says like he instructed Michelle Williams in one scene
to like flirt with I guess it was what Mark
Wahlberg in that movie to like walk. The line is like, oh,
walk across the room and like stocking feet. I thought
that was so funny and like like goofy um. But

(55:31):
there's another scene in the Last Duel where like someone
like a characters like wearing like like a woman's wearing stockings,
and it's like is it flirtesias or is it like
kind of like you know whatever. Um, But that scene
was like reminding me of that. It's like such a
weird the emphasis like so on her legs, on her lap,
on her like pantyhose and I was like, I guess
really's got just like really thinks this is like I

(55:51):
don't know how women like flirt like with their little
bare feet, but like not really, I don't know. I
actually liked this scene. But the moment where she drops
the tickets to New York in the car gives him
road ahead, that was like so like that was that
was like I was like, oh my god, what is
going on. I had just watched that episode of Curb
like all about this, and I was like cracking up. Um.

(56:14):
Speaking of like comparisons, we also know that you are
a moonstruck scholar, of which we are also or just
a moonstruck fisionado. Yes, I will accept that time. I
did see quite a few moonstruck um parallels in this movie,
starting with both of them. I mean their first scenes
are them at a typewriter being a bookkeeper or whatever,
and then also being called by like a construction workers

(56:36):
like a very like that both happened. They both happened
in Moonstruck. But like in terms of like these movies
as a side by side, like I do feel like
Gaga is like in a lineage of people like Share
that are doing the pop star to like prestige actress Pipeline. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah,
I would agree. And I also think that like you know,

(56:56):
the thing, I think the thing that's in common between them,
like not only that the transition from like like singing
to acting, but it is that like Gaga's taste for
an actor like pretty eccentric, I feel like like she's
not doing the Well's an example of this, Like it's
not like she's not playing a version of herself really
Like I think the allied character in The Star Is

(57:16):
Born is like pretty unlike got Gone a lot of ways,
like as a pop star. I mean, I'm not a
little monster, so correct me if I'm wrong, But they
don't make the same type of music. Um, And I
think in this it is like a role that doesn't
like doesn't rest in her like actual like singing, Like
she doesn't sing in this movie. It's not like it's
something she's like not resting in her Laurels is what

(57:36):
I'm saying. And shares like the exact same way as
an actress who like really um, who wants to act
like doesn't want to just play a version of share
in a movie. How do you think this stacks up
to Camilla, Cabo and Cinderella do not do not invoke.
Jeff Bezos got what he paid for and that's all

(57:58):
that means. Crazy. I didn't I didn't watch how how
far did you make it through? Oh? I watched the
whole thing. You watched the I watched the whole thing. Yes, me,
and like four moms in Florida, yes, Florida and Sean
Mendez not even Actually do you think Sean Mendez saw
House of Gucci? I can't say. Has he listened to

(58:20):
thirty like post first breakup? For sure? It came justin,
wasn't it. I feel like I read on or something
like he initiated the breakup. I think if you initiated
the breakup, you don't need to listen to thirty. Sometimes
Camilla listened to thirty? Or does Camilla only listened to
her own music? I think music sometimes when you were
the breaker up or it can be really hard. But
I don't think it was hard for Yeah, I don't

(58:40):
think that was. Like they're still friends unlike Marizo and Patrizia.
But maybe oh my god, well one of them is dead.
Maybe Camilla will have Sean killed no stop it? Who
like selmahiak in this, In this like maybe who's the
magical Grifter in Billy Parter, I will say, okay, one

(59:05):
to speak one good thing about Jeff Bezos Cinderella. Billy
Porter's line reading of you want to go to that
ball one of my favorite things this year, I'll say
it he was I would have I'm sure I would
enjoy his parts of the movie. I feel that one scene.
Oh and um, Mini Driver was in that movie, MANI Driver.
Mini Driver always comes to serve. She in Phantom of

(59:29):
the Opera, which is, I mean, my favorite musical and
a terrible movie that I love watching. She is the
only person who understands what movies she's in, much like
Lady Gaga in House of Gucci. Oh that is like evolved.
I love what you said about how Share in habits
a character because something that between watching Gaga and Gucci

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and Sharon Moonstruck is like it you can never not
see Share, you can never not see Gaga, like your
brain is like that's gott like you know, but it
still is a fully realized character that is distinctly not
Gaga and distinctly not Share. And sometimes a star power

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is what makes some of the movie that to me
is the big difference between this and A Star is
Born because okay, yes, the Star is Born as a
little monster. I can say like Ali is very different
from Gaga because like Ali kind of in a way
falls into this career where Gaga like the thing that
has I mean the thing that has made her like

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she wants it so badly and she performs so much.
And Ali was like not a performer in the same
way in her personal life, whereas like Patricia like performed
being a Gucci Yeah. But um, in A Star is Born,
you never forget that it's Lady Gaga. Um. And she
doesn't disappear into the role the way that I think
she does to to like some effect in House of Gucci.

(01:00:56):
Like I do believe she's playing a fully realized character,
maybe not a real person, um, but I don't. I
don't feel like it's just Lady Gaga and awake. No,
absolutely not. But I do think that like this meta
text of like I'm watching Lady Gaga like run around
Italy and like tell all these men what they are
doing wrong. It's like kind of incredible fun the movie

(01:01:19):
really but fun that it's not like the goofys of
Ajar Letto stuff exactly exactly. I also have to say
it feels like maybe missed opportunity for Gaga's dad to
not have some like ad placements for Joanne's treacheria. I
feel like that have eaten there. No, I wait, what
was your experience? It's disgusting. It's some of the worst

(01:01:39):
Italian food I've ever The meatballs are definitely like rats.
Was it huge portions? It feels like a huge portions. No,
not really and very overpriced. Um, where were there a
bunch of like like faggots there? Yeah, my friend Ryan
was there. Oh, I mean like other other patrons. I'm
sure all the waiters was like, you know, all the

(01:02:01):
waiters were coming off of their like fourth audition of
the day. Did come out of the kitchen as Patrizio,
Mommy have a meatball for you? Wait this rose? Did
you really go to Allive Garden after you saw I did?
I went direct? Oh yeah I did. Um. It was
like it was like nine thirty pm in Boca Raton, Florida,

(01:02:22):
and Olive Garden was closing at ten and I called
to them as we were leaving the theater to see
if they would still see us, and they did. That
is powerful. What did you have? I had chicken parmesan, yes,
salad and breadsticks obviously, and it was Bellicia. It hits

(01:02:42):
so so well and it felt like, um, the same
the same level of like authenticness as the movie. Yes, yes,
like the House of Gucci is the Olive Garden of films,
and that is powerful. Have you been a Halive Garden?
Oh my god, you're like, have I been to Olive Garden?
Why do you think she asked me about it? How

(01:03:03):
I've been to Olive Garden? They live there. Do listen
you were born there. I will be a hit on me.
I'm trying to go to All Garden for New Year's Eve, Like,
oh my god, that's invite me. It costs like four
but unlimited everything all night went out, not nothing, truly.

(01:03:26):
It's like embarrassing. I have checked the website once a
month in the past six months, like every once month.
I get on and I'm like, can I get tickets yet? Nope?
Okay It's either that or like usher in Vegas, and
I'm not sure I can do that. It's going to
be I was also considering a Vegas moment for for
New Year's but I was going to go to Katie Perry,

(01:03:49):
you know, Katy cat to Katt we are Katie Ketty,
I love this about about you. Could Katie have done
what Gaga did and Husse of Gucci? I know the answer. Okay,
I'm going to say no because Okay, although she is
she does act in the Thinking of You video, Sure, yes,

(01:04:13):
if you want to call that acting, yes, I will
say this. I think that like Gaga is an actor,
like she knows how to perform and she improves and
it works, and it's like something like Father's House with Couti.
It's like, oh my gosh, like that's so perfect for
this character, of this moment, all of the stuff. Yes.
Katy Perry, however, is like just out of her mind,

(01:04:34):
like I don't. She doesn't. She didn't interview with the
Wall Street Journal like last week where she was like
I watched Succession to get business advice and it's like,
oh right, okay. Katy Perry is just like crazy, like
she's cookie. I love her, and she wouldn't. She would
take a script and just be like these are like guidelines,

(01:04:56):
like I don't actually need to do this and like that,
and we're just like a completely incoherent film like it
would have been just she cannot like play a character,
I think, except for Katy Perry, and that is the
only character you should play. What's your favorite Katie Perry song? Um? Okay,
this is a deep cut Um there's a chain to

(01:05:18):
the rhythm remix with Yadi, But like I've listened to
a lot lately, it's it's like, honestly a very good song.
It's a great song. But I think Witness would have
been so much better if like Deja Vu Roulette had
been the lead single. Oh yes, I just wish the
album had actually been more like changed the rhythm. It's

(01:05:40):
a very good album and people sleep on it. I
need to give it a close listen. But Katy Perry
has big flop energy. Unfortunately. I say this as a
Katie Cat. I want better for her, you know. I
mean it's like her lat like the pre Daisy, she
released like four singles, all different artwork, all promotion. Never

(01:06:00):
really Over is one of the best songs she's ever made.
It's just like she doesn't give a fuck, Like that's
my really Katy Perry is that she has oh that
l A Times interview from I think two years ago.
She says, essentially, do I need a number like another
number one album? I've rung that bell, honey, and it's

(01:06:21):
like the has like the most number one singles of
any albums. To Michael Jackson, yes, but the implication that
Katy Perry has can make number one but now wants
to choose to flop is brave, powerful, radical love. It
can't get enough. Thank you so much. The girl flopping,
but you girls so hard you just like start actively

(01:06:42):
flopping and loving it. I love it. Oh, I love
that Katie Perry has entered this space. We should maybe
do a Katie episode at something. What is your go
to order at all of Garden? The chicken parmesan, the
chicken part I will call chicken parmesan. Love that you're
considering all of Garden for New Year's Eve because Rose
and I, I mean, this is very New York versus

(01:07:03):
l A. But we were really wanting to do the
Margarite de Ville for New Year's Eve. We go, So
we go usually go to the movies at Universal City
Walk and right next to the theater there is a
Jimmy Buffetts Margaritaville. It's a very cursed area. Wait is
this that place that has like it's like it's only
little village. Yeah, okay, I think I saw Dune there. Yeah,
that's also where we saw Dune that friends slept through. Um. Wait,

(01:07:26):
I'm glad that just come around to Doune because I
didn't think as I was walking into House of Gucci,
I would love an Imax House of Gucci like we
accidentally saw. We imagine House of Gucci and three Yeah,
I would like No, I would like House of Gucci
and four d X where the seats shake and they

(01:07:48):
spray you. Dacine. Yeah, well this is definitely shaped daring
the Saxcine. That's when he was taking her to Pound Town. Um,
what do you what do you see next for Gaga
filmic Lee m hmmm, aside from um entering the m

(01:08:08):
c U, Yeah, which is inevitable. I really wish that
she was going to be Ursula and the Little Mermaid
as she had been. I think that's a very I
think like a Disney live action adaptation. While they are
the least of God's worries right now, I will say
that I think that she could really succeed in something
like that. Would she be not Ursula? I think she

(01:08:31):
would be amazing in Disney, but not La Melissa McCarthy. Okay,
so what else do we have? So we've already done
Beauty and the Beast, the Little Mermaid. Um, I don't done.
I don't know that. Okay, I'm a meeting the Beast. Truth.
I love them. It's like they're obviously um Maleficent. Um?

(01:08:56):
Has there been Maleficent doesn't count? It was a spin off.
Has there been a good Disney Live action remake? Because
I don't know. I'm actually I think Cinderella is actually
very good. It was it was Kate because it was
the first of them and so there wasn't this like
expectation for it. I do think Gaga needs to play
a villain. Oh yes, oh maybe the evil queen in

(01:09:19):
a snow white. They did Aladdin and Dumbo. I forgot okay,
Aladdin was that was really bad. I did actually enjoy
parts of it. I'm ashamed to say, but it was.
It was pretty bad. Oh. They did the Jungle Book.
I forgot about that about Oh my gosh, imagine if
she did Cruella, well, I mean we just got it
with no if she had done it, maybe and Krella

(01:09:42):
to Krella reloaded, Taga will be like her mom, her
like tethered Corella her mom because her mom dies in
the first one. Maybe she comes back to life. There's
one thing Gaga is gonna do. It's come back to life,
and she will come on set in an egg. You
know what I mean it as we crawl his mom.
I mean, that's the only thing that I would At

(01:10:02):
this point, they're developing a Pinocchio live action right now.
And is she going to be a geppetto Italian Italian legend. Well,
you already know she does great drag and Italian and
the nose. It'll give her another chance to do the
nose exactly exactly. You're so fucking ugly. Stop. I am

(01:10:27):
kind of sad that. I mean, I guess like Adam
Driver in this movie like really resented his dad, but
the fact that he didn't get a chance to say,
like you could be left book and death if you
fucking tried and like sell his peanut farm or whatever
it was a pecan farm in Arizona. But thank you.

(01:10:47):
I can't mean like one more Gaga movie where she
like just really like attack someone's father for her, like
to make it like a trend like, Lady Gaga does
not recognize fathers, and that's powerful and amazing. Yeah, well,
maybe she's like working out some tension with her own father,
who is the restaurant tour a restaurateur and absolute Trump supporter.

(01:11:11):
Oh my god, wait really yeah, so I don't know.
When she said that she was looking for clues in
d C during the inauguration, she was she was looking,
she was looking for she was looking for her dad.
We have to thank you. We have to talk about

(01:11:32):
Lady Gaga in messating the Insurrection, she said, I don't
consider myself the person, but I am fair and I
will find people. She's like her Barbara Walter's wig on
and she said, I am a woman on the ground.
I'm looking for the story. I'm gonna get it live
from fucking America. In her bulletproof dress, She's like, I've

(01:11:57):
seen three seasons of Scandal and I know what I'm
doing here. Okay, that was like an iconic I'll listen.
I'll say it. That quote was better than House of Gucci,
Lady Gaga saying, yes, The Insurrection was better than any
movie could ever be. What do you think Patrizia's favorite

(01:12:20):
song on the Stars Born soundtrack would be why did
you do this to me? Because she feels it? Why
did why did he do this to her? That is
I I don't know if like the stakes of Patrizia's
emotional devastation were felt by me at the end, However,

(01:12:43):
it was definitely the That's how I felt leaving the theater.
Still like it was to me when I left the theater,
the resonant thing was like she really even though she's
obviously crazy and an anti hero, like I felt that
how was she an anti hero or was she a villain?
I think I think structurally she I think she was

(01:13:04):
an anti hero personally because I think that they wouldn't
have painted such a favorable portrait of her falling in
love with Adam to me if they didn't want you
to root for her at least a little bit. And
I also feel like when even though um, I don't know,
I feel like even though like there wasn't like they
were part components of it that fell apart that I

(01:13:26):
think we're a fault of the script and not necessarily
a fault of like Gaga, I still felt like it
started and ended with a woman in love, and to
me it was not even though it's her love is
corrupted by money and greed and power, which she obviously
wanted to it still was about love and another Gaga

(01:13:46):
film that ends with her with her man dead. Yeah,
well Jackson Mane loves forever. There. We can at least
determine that in whatever the Gaga's third movie is her
she's gonna get in a fight with the dad, her
husband's gonna die, she's going to be in a bathtub,

(01:14:08):
and she's going to have a gay best friend. Yes,
and I'm putting it out into the universe. Hunter Harris
is going to write that movie. I will open final
drop at this table like please do not test me.
We will be back next week for a really important
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