May 18, 2023 • 57 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
You.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Oh, oh my god, oh my god. Oh it was
so big, Oh my god. Ew that wasp was like
literally could pay rent in my room.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
It was so big.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
She's sheen im me no me not my.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
N yo yo yo no, what is your childhood?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I have.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Your life's going down the floor like.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Round on the docket for a discussion today, Rose is
Drag Race All Stars. The first two episodes all Stars.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And something.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Eight.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Okay, good to know eight. I honestly thought it was seven.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
The more you know.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Do you have initial faves from the jump or like
a kind of impression of the cast as you started watching.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I don't necessarily have early favorites. Actually, no, that's a
lie I do. I am obsessed with James Mansfield and
I want her to win. Oh and by the way,
this is like a virgin the show we give yesterday's
pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose Daumu and I'm fran Torado.
(01:39):
What I appreciated about the cast is that it has
a very early drag Race mix of girls. And here's
what I'll say. The season feels very off the rack.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I tally agree off the rack and honey, it did
not look as good on the Hangar as it did
on the body.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
You know what I mean, Yeah, I mean I like
that vibe for drag Race, especially because like with All
Stars specifically, and coming ran off the tails of All
Stars All winners, like that was the most polished, the
most like custom costume, lip injections, filler blah blah blah,
(02:24):
like it could be. And this season feels a little
more haphazardly, like slapped together with quite a random assortment
of queens. And I like that, but it did kind
of show in the first two episodes it did not
feel quite up to the level.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I'll say that I have to agree with you. I
felt like my first impression, I am very happy with
this season so far. I actually think it's giving us
some good drama and some good competitors. My initial reaction
was that, speaking of filler, there are too many filler queens,
(03:05):
and when you have an All Stars season, there.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Should be no fillers period, Like even the fillers are stars.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Like if you think about All Stars past, someone like
Cocoa Montrees who went home first for All Stars two
or All Stars three or whatever she was in when
she went home first, it was like devastating because you're
like damn, like someone like Cocoa is going home first,
like she's not even I don't know that it was devastating.
It was pretty it was pretty deserved. It was deserved.
(03:36):
It was a totally deserved and same thing with this one. Like,
you know, the people that went home I think were
deserved were the people that were limited. I think deserved
to go home, but they were filler queens with All
Stars two or whatever, three whatever, Coca was not a
filler queen. She I wanted her to be there. She
was like such good TV. She was so funny. She's
still a good competitor. And so I think that that's
(03:58):
kind of something that's incredible about All Stars. It's like,
because the talent is supposed to be on another level,
everyone should be gagging us. And I just felt like
like Monica and Nasha didn't need to be there.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
You know, I don't really feel like, what is it?
Is it not?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Is it Jessica Wild Like she kind of feels like
filler to me. Alexis Michelle also feels like filler to me.
Although no, Babe, I think Alexis Michelle is making.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
It to the end.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
She's the moment.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, I don't gag for her, but I think she
is very polished. Yeah, her looks are good. She has
a very clear perspective, she's good at the interviews. She's like,
I see her making it to the end. Maybe not
if there was a different lineup of queens, but with
the one that exists. Yeah, I think she'll be like
(04:52):
in the top four.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I honestly so, I didn't even remember what season she
was in. Justin had to jog my memory on all
things Alexis Michelle and reminded me that she was the
girl that did the green lettuce look like she is
kind of like I guess her thing is like just
kind of being aloof and unaware of how she comes off.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
You didn't watch Untucked, did you?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Okay, so I don't ever think watching Untucked is worth it.
But Justin was like, you have to watch Untucked for
these episodes. It's actually really juicy, and Alexis Michelle in
the first episode of Untucked does something so fucking funny,
like it's literally performance art. Actually, I can just describe
(05:38):
it to you if you if you want to know
what happens, since you want to watch it. So Monica,
who I am really worried for emotionally and spiritually because
what the way she's eliminated, and her heartbreak is like
truly so palpable, Like I don't know if I've seen
heartbreak like that on a first Home Girl since like
Miss Vangie. She's like realizing that she's going home in Untucked,
(06:03):
like there's no other way. It's shaking out. They're not
going to vote off Darien Lake, and so Untucked is
basically this. It's this like goodbye to Monica. It's like
really sad, and she's like devastating. Everyone's holding space for her,
and all of a sudden, Alexis Michelle, out of nowhere,
starts making the conversation about her and her how overwhelmed
(06:24):
she is by like being in this show and.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
It's so funny.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
You have to watch it. I'll send you a little
clip or something. But Alexis Michelle is doing performance right,
like she's so kuockoo bananas.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
To me, I think calling it performance art lends it
an air of intentionality. You don't think it is real?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah. Clarification Yeah, I mean,
I you know, obviously, like I'm gonna watch All Stars,
I think more so than with a normal dry Grace season,
Like I will get bored if this one quicker and
probably like tune out and let the episodes accumulate and
then like binge.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
It all towards the end. But you know, it is
a nice thing to watch, like on Saturday, Like every
Saturday morning, I go to the farmer's market and it's
nice to come home afterwards and watch All Stars as
I'm having my like basil pesto croissant that I love.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Drag Race on a Saturday morning, I did the same thing.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
It's like Saturday Morning cartoons. The drag queens are like
cartoon characters.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yes, Saturday Morning cartoons.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Okay, so cartoon character is speaking of back to James Mansfield,
what is what is the moment about her? I also
love James. I would not have picked her for my
number one, but like I do think that it would
be incredible to see her in the final four.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I love how crazy kooky she is. I really like
her drag aesthetic.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I love like the the like.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Vintage glamor of it, all the hair, the exaggeration. I
love someone who treats their drag character as a character
from head to toe, exact complete with a different voice.
And then on the flip side, I think she's really
good in the confessionals in like as you know, I
won't say, and as a boy, like I'll just say
(08:21):
out of drag she's the whole package to me, and
like she is someone who I think, like after she
was kicked off of her initial season, like, did a
lot of work within the drag race community to become
this respected figure. Like she does all her own hair.
She has a YouTube channel. I've watched some of her
YouTube videos before. She's very funny. I also like that
(08:45):
clip of her rolling from her season of Tumbling will
never not be funny to me, It's so good. So
I live for her, and I thought all I thought her.
All of her looks in this episode were fantastic. I
thought she was great in the second episode in the
you know like sketch comedy SNL Ripoff Challenge, which how
(09:09):
weird it was to not have because this isn't Bowen
a guest judge later this season, how ye to have
him judge.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
That episode made no sense, no sense at all, But
I'm sure maybe it was like a date conflict or something.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, but yeah, I live for her. I live I
M James.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I love James extremely polished drag, like classic polished, like
almost pageant drag. And she also is a little bit
of a drag queen's drag queen because she does hair
and garments for like all of the girls and is
just known for her artistry. And like I don't know
(09:49):
if it's the first episode or the second episode, I
think it's the first. There's a look, like a whole
look that got destroyed and root to drag race, and
she had to make the entire look in her in
her hotel room the night before. Like she is on
another level I think when it comes to like making
clothes and looks, and I really think that that will
(10:13):
hopefully help her survive all the way to the end,
because I do not want her to be a philler queen.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I think she has set herself up not to be,
which is great. But I also I was just thinking
about this. I love after the last All Stars where
it was all winners and no one was eliminated and
they didn't critique the queens at all. I'm so happy
we're back to eliminating queens after critiquing them, because they
(10:41):
need to be critiqued.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
They do they need to be crituck they need to
be crotuked. I one hundred percent agree. I feel like that,
like just as I said, like their philer queen should
not be here, so the girls need to be put
in place. And I think that my probably my current
top four would probably be Jimbo, Candy, I guess, Heidi,
(11:11):
and maybe James Heidi.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I love Heidi.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I love Heidi.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I'm worried about her because I think Kahanna, who I
forgot existed, is like starting really strong and people really
love her.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
And I don't really literally who is she.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
She's from season eleven allegedly allegedly allegedly and she went
home very early.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I guess she was.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yes, I think she was a first home queen, fourteenth
place Jim Okay. The thing with Jimbo is like, what's
your jim theory? I do like Jimbo's.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Drag, but something about her just rubs me the way,
and I think it's like, specifically when she's out of
drag in the Confessionals, she has an extremely punishable face.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Her face is very like like mayor of Huvil.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, and like the hair, and I just like h
I don't like her, but I like but I like
her drag and like her performance in the challenges, but
I don't like her.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
So okay, I am a huge Jimbo stan from uh
Drag Race Versus the World and or UK Versus the
World and her Canada season, but justin honestly started to
push me a little off of the Jimbo train because
of the way she behaves off screen, just as you said.
(12:52):
And I think that there's this kind of I'm too
good for this kind of vibe that doesn't sit right
with a white queen and with her attitude based on
how she treats the other girls, And like, I think
that when she's throwing shade, it's like good, but like
when she's just being like I'm better than everyone and
(13:13):
I'm too good for this what she doesn't say, but
that's like kind of how she acts the vibe. It's
the vibe, and it's not cute. And I think that
there's some things that happen in UK Versus the World
that I feel like in terms of her behavior toward
the other girls and the way she felt entitled to
basically win that season, which is like how she was
thinking about it before her extremely controversial and dramatic elimination. Yeah,
(13:37):
I think that kind of lowered the veil for me
on Jimbo, but I'm still she still probably is my
number one like I do. I do want to see
her take it because I felt like she was robbed
of of truly competing in UK Versus the World. But
my biggest issue, by number one issue with Jimbo is
that she can't lip sync at all, like he doesn't
(13:59):
try at all. So I'm so glad it was really
really sad. Did you watch You Versus the World? I
watched a couple episodes, but I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
So you didn't watch the Pangina Jimbo elimination?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I think? I yeah, I think I did see that.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Okay, I think?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And so were you gagged when Pangina came out of
the lip sync Assassin door to go up against Jimbo.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I wouldn't say it was gagged. I understood why it
was gag worthy, but I personally did not gag.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Okay, okay, thank you for that clarification. It had unfortunately
been spoiled for me. But I was still gagged.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
That was a bad lip sync all around, though they
were both not.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I totally disagree. I thought Pangina was amazing and served Puss,
and I honestly think Pangina is one of the greatest
queens to have ever competed in the Drag Race cinematic universe.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Like to me, like if RuPaul.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Dies tomorrow and they have to replace Rue with a
queen or a panel of queens, it's like Jinx, Sasha Colby,
and Pengina, like those are probably the three that I
would think about to replace RuPaul.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Like I do.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I think that she I just want to see her
compete in everything, and that lip sing was very satisfying
for me because I really needed her to win against you.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Interesting, I thought I kind of sucked, but I thought
the lips thing from the first episode was great. And
Aja shitted all over what's her face?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yes, shit did?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Aja used to be my number one, like one of,
if not my number like one of my favorite queens
to ever compete in this show. And she kind of
retired from drag right, Like, I'm really glad that she
came back.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yeah, it was good to see her on the screen
just like made me think of the days when I
used to like book her to perform at Macray Park
for twenty five dollars.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, I mean that's noice so far.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
She's truly I mean when she was like underage, Yes,
that's something that I love about Asha's like origin story
is like she started doing drag when she was like
fifteen or sixteen, and the way she would book shows
was like going to the bar at like three or
four pm before they start karting people and just staying
(16:29):
there until the show so that she could like stay
in a bar underage. Like that is like the kind
of queen that I want to see on a season.
And they just, to be completely honest, don't make queens
like Asa anymore. Like I think that Aja is a
part of a generation of queens that we just don't
(16:50):
see growing up in drag in bars at fifteen.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Like well, yeah, because now all of the younger queens are.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Bedroom queens, bedroom queens, Instagram queens, TikTok I mean yeah,
now TikTok queens.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Which does you know yield good results in some cases
like sugar and spice, Like sugar and.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Sp oh but you know, loved loved Asa. When I
found out she retired from drag or whatever, I.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Was like, what the like she she used to.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I think she was online always talking about like about
her experience of drag race, like really negatively, which is fair,
but to say, like none of that art like mattered,
Like none of that art matters. And now I'm just
gonna be like a rock a rapper or whatever she
is doing. I know she's like in the House of
leave Asia. She's doing ballroom and she's rapping, which is cool,
(17:45):
but like I was like, don't like, I'm just like
taking this very personally, but like there's no reason to
like denigrate your art from like a former life, Like.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
You like what Aza did on and.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
All Stars three or whatever she was on is like
but it's ballroom, Like she is like such an expert
performer and everything she does on the art level on
that show is totally worthy of, like you know, the
rest of her body of work. I just I don't
get queens that like move on from the show and
(18:23):
they're like that was the old Median like fuck that
or whatever, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
The old So I'm sorry, the old Taylor can't come
to the phone right now, why cause she's dead. Did
you see that video that was going viral over the
weekend of Taylor yelling at the security guard at her
concert because he was like bugging this group of girls. Yeah,
it was no funny. Like in the middle, it's like
in the there were just these girls who are being
harassed by a security guard and Taylor was on stage
(18:51):
performing bad Blood, and she's like, baby, now we got
bad Blood. Leave her alone. You know it used to
be mad Love. She's not doing anything. You made a
really deep cut. Stop stop.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Oh my god, that's kind of funny.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, it's great. You should watch the video.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I'll go watch.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
And then I saw the girl who was the one
who was like the subject of it all. She made
a TikTok about it and just like explaining, and they
got free tickets to go back for the second night
of the Era's tour, which I'm very jealous about because
the Aras Tour is coming to New York next week
and I still don't have tickets for it, and I
feel like I'm not gonna go. But it's okay because
(19:32):
I did just get Beyonce tickets and I'm very excited.
And it's funny because I think we weren't we just
talking last week about how I was like, yeah, I'm
probably not gonna go to Beyonce.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, well what pushed you over the edge?
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Watching all the videos from the tour, I was like, oh,
I think I actually do need to see this. And
then I was looking for tailor tickets and there was
nothing lower than like twelve hundred dollars. And then I
went looked at Beyonce tickets and there were tickets as
low as like two hundred and fifty dollars, and I
was like, okay, oh, I mean that's not how much
(20:05):
I paid. I paid more than that for better seats,
but it was just like much more accessible and like,
you know, the Aras tour like in a way is
more of a you know, once in a lifetime moment
because Taylor is doing all of her albums. But I
don't know, just from what I've seen the videos that
have come out of Beyonce, it's just it feels like
(20:30):
this is a very special tour. It's like she is
like having fun in a way she maybe hasn't in
a while. It's like her gayest tour ever. And I
just want to be there and be part of it.
And I've never seen her before, so I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I I'm so excited too.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I wanted to I have not I have not really
talked to you yet about what I'm doing for Beyonce,
and now I'm so ashamed. But this is like, so
this is but this is actually an extremely mean thing.
Beyonce is the artist of my life, as you know,
as we've talked about on the show of bar Sure,
there's no artist that has like more significant, like personal
(21:12):
like lifetime and value than Beyonce or maybe possibly Solunge,
and I've never seen her. So this is like, if
I'm gonna pay a stand crisis for something, this is it.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
That said, I have.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Talked about on the pod and talk to you a
lot about how I'm in the most financially precarious situation
that I've been in a very long time.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
So how am I gonna pull this off?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I posted on Instagram about how I honestly thought people
were crazy for flying to Europe to go see Beyonce,
and now I'm just like damn, like that actually was
the move because I can't wait until July twenty ninth
to see Beyonce.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Like I can't.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I can't. I simply can't.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I physically cannot, and like not only will the whole
tour be spoiled for me by then, but like, I
need to see her now. And so Zach staff good
Judy DMed me and was like, girl, there are people
in our group that are like trying to sell tickets.
And the tickets happened to be sold by a one
Jay Wortham, who's a friend of mine. And I messaged
(22:12):
them and I was like, just let's say I was
maybe considering thinking of maybe possibly going to London to
see Beyonce. I heard you're selling tickets.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Oh You're going to Turf Island to see Beyonce? How fun?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Jay said, oh yeah, our section is front row gold section,
seats fifty and fifty one. And Jay sold them to
me for three hundred and fifty dollars each.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
So the cost of this ticket and my flight to
London will be about the same as a ticket to
Beyonce in Jersey.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
So I was like, the decision has been made, Justin
and I will.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Be That's exciting.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I'm really excited because I haven't been to London in ages.
I'm putting the whole trip on a credit card because yes,
I am me and also Justin and I can both
take meetings there so we can write the Pultu off great.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
So I don't think I've told you this, but I'm
sort of on this kick at the moment to try
to watch a bunch of movies specifically that I have
never seen before that people consider to be very good
or have told me I would like specifically movies because
(23:50):
I'm just I'm not have I don't have a great
attention span with TV right now. It's why it's taken
me so long to like watch Dead Ringers, you know,
because it's just I kind of can't do more than
one episode at a time.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
It's also dark as hell. It is like so dark.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
It's been like generally across the board with TV. It's
like one thing if I'm binging something I've already seen
and I can like be on my phone during it.
But the thing with a movie that's great is like
I can say, you know, I mean, for the most part,
it's like two hours maximum. I can sit there, pay
attention for that length of time and then move on
(24:30):
with my life and go watch a video essay about
like teen Wolf or something. Yeah, so the latest film
I watched that, somehow I had never gotten around to seeing.
Was Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
A completely baffling fact to me because it is so
tumblr core, if not perhaps one of the single most
prevalent tumbler movies of my generation, next to like what
five Hundred Days of Summer like.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Yes, and Virgin Suicides. I would say Virgin Suicides.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Gifts of those gifts of those movies are like what
Tumblr ran off of anyone for anyone who doesn't know.
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is a two thousand
and four movie directed by Michelle Gondry. It stars Jim Carrey,
Kate Winslet, Kirsten Dunst, Mark Ruffalo, Elijah Wood.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Mark Ruffalo, I forgot about him.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, he plays one of the technicians. So it's about
this man, Jim Carrey, who discovers that his ex girlfriend
has used this service to have him erased from her memory,
so he does the same in retaliation. The film is,
you know, sort of like gentle sci fi. I guess
(25:53):
you would call it. What can I say? I do
find it surprising that y'all were doing all that on
Tumblr over this movie.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Because it's like slow, weird and sometimes boring. Yeah, I
just like didn't really like it all that. I mean,
I know I.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Liked it, yea, what did you like?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
And dislike?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
I liked it. I guess I was expecting this feeling
I have sometimes when I watch these films that have
been so hyped to me that you know, they are
like slotting into this place that almost had been waiting
for them in my own internal like canon of media.
(26:37):
And this didn't really do that for me. I thought
I was really gonna love it, and I thought it
was good, but I didn't think it was like groundbreaking
or anything. Maybe I would have if I had seen
it in two thousand and four.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I think that's I think that's part of it, is
it it's a movie most effectively watched before you're maybe well, okay,
here's the thing. I think it's a movie that is
maybe in its tone and how it's executed, most effectively
watched when before like your balls drop, I guess, or like, yeah,
(27:12):
I said it, And I feel like I feel like
that is because the romance. There's so much romance around,
like heartbreak and relationships that I think is even more
dramatic if you haven't had your first heartbreak, right like,
I think a lot of heartbreak. Movies are actually better
when you experience romance because you get to like taste
(27:34):
that suffering and that Catharsis.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
You get to romanticize romance.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yes, but I also think that it is a movie
that can be really impactful if you have just ended
a very significant relationship. And I know that it's like
I imagine, so yeah, it is really like it speaks volumes.
I'm sure if I had seen this movie when I
was in high school, I absolutely would have made it
(28:00):
my entire personality. I really do think that's the thing
of it is, like as as millennials like this is
a movie that would have I mean, for me two
thousand and four, Like I was a sophomore junior in.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
High school, so like, yes, this Well, also what I
realized is, okay, I will say this, this movie is
what I would call Garden State Corps. There was this
spat of indie films in the mid two thousands that
gained mainstream prominence in a way that that those hadn't
(28:36):
really happened.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Empowered by you know the Shins.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yes, the Shins, freu frough, you know, image heap was
all over the place.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Postal service.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Also, I think part of it is that all of
these indie films, the ones we're talking about specifically, had
movie stars in them that brought them that mainstream attention
and commercials success that I think up until then, indie
film hadn't really experienced, especially these like smaller romantic comedies
(29:07):
or romantic dramas. And I did see Garden State when
it came out, and I did make it my whole personality,
and I still love it and I'm obsessed with it,
and it's like one of my favorite movies and like
a kind of story that I would love to tell.
And Eternal Sunshine, I mean, yeah, if I had seen
(29:31):
it was when I was a teenager, I think I
would have been totally obsessed with it. And now seeing
it as a very jaded adult, ye, I'm like.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Doesn't have the same? Sure have the same? Like punkdum
It's yeah, it's not the same.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Doesn't have the same?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
What punk them a word?
Speaker 3 (29:49):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I think I've actually, I think we've had this exact
same conversation on the podcast before. But punk them is
a term used in like, particularly in photography artistry, about
the unnameable, like kind of sublime way that an image
just makes sense and hits like there's something indescribable about
(30:11):
what you're seeing visually that just hits you and you're like,
this is exactly right.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
It's a punk dum.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Okay that that term is very helpful, And yeah, I
did not experience that when watching this movie. I was
kind of bored watching it and was kind of waiting
for it to be over, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, it gets a little slow, which is kind of
a Michelle Gondry thing. A lot of his movies are slow, muted,
like palettes, like weird, like kind of hard to grasp sometimes.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
And you know, there were parts of it that I
really liked. I thought Kirsten Dunst was great, and I
actually thought that her storyline was maybe the film I
was more interested in seeing. But it would have been
a very different movie, probably like a much darker one
(31:11):
her storyline, and I guess like that's with this specific premise,
like that is maybe the road I'm more interested in
going down, Like we don't get a lot of small
sci fi movies like this, or like sci fi romantic
comedies or romantic dramas, like there's this movie that came
(31:33):
out in like I guess kind of around the same time,
like early two thousand's called Timer. Have you ever heard
of it? It's a movie in which there's a world
where you can get a timer, like a sort of
stop watch, installed in your wrist, and it counts down
to the moment that you meet your soulmate. Oh and
(31:55):
it's a romantic comedy. And I initially watched it because
a Coffield who plays Anya and Buffy was in it,
and I just became obsessed with it. And you still
rent it from Blockbuster all the time. It's like one
of those yes, but yeah, I there we You know,
we're now in such the age of like big sci
fi blockbusters and superhero movies and that kind of stuff
(32:18):
that we don't get these smaller, quieter sci fi films,
and like specifically, I think sci fi romances, And you know,
this is not a movie where the science fiction is
sort of like incidental to the plot. It's like the
movie wouldn't be happening if it if it weren't for that.
But I do appreciate that it's sort of like still
kind of a gentle sci fi in a way. It's
(32:41):
all very internal. Also, Jim Carrey is so hot in
this movie. And I mean your type in this movie,
I know. I mean, I have long known that I
have a thing for Jim Carrey.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I didn't know this.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
I haven't know about fuck Baby Baby. Waita wait, by
what movie?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Is he the hottest? Is this the hottest he's ever been? A? No?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I mean I am. I am partial to young Jim Carrey.
He was in this movie Once Bitten, this nineteen eighty
five movie that's about an older female vampire. It's gonna
be about a vampire who wants to suck the blood
out of young Jim Carrey. And it's so hot and
he's so hot in it. I want to see that.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
But also, is it a Christmas movie if it's called
Once Bitten? No, it's a it's a vampire movie, I know.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
But like Once Bitten and Twice.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Shy, I mean I think the movie predates that song
because it's eighty five.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Oh yeah, oh so that might.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Oh, once Bitten twice Shy is probably like an expression
that I've never.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
It is, and it's famously an expression that is used
by that song.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Wait, oh wait, what does what does the expression mean?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
I don't know?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Okay, wait, no, let's find out right now once bitten twice,
shy and unpleasant experience inducing caution, that's pretty generic.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
So yes, I would suck Jim Carrey in this movie
kind of at all times. I'm interested to know.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Oh, you would even suck ace Ventura. Oh yeah, I
mean he is actually he is actually really like his
he is kind of a like a jungle Austin Powers
in that movie.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Jungle Austin Powers. Can you explain that?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, because like he, I mean a Sventra is like
horny and thrusty and like has all these jokes about
being this kind of like Johnny Bravo esque, like Macho man.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
And yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Where's the jungle part of it? Though?
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Ace Ventura takes place in the jungle like it's all right,
No it doesn't yet, Yes it does.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
It like takes place like in Africa. A lot of
it takes place in Africa. And this is.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
The second one does where he comes out of the
rhinoceroses butt yeaheah.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
And maybe also maybe I don't remember the first one,
but I think maybe I'm just.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Oh, the first one is the first one is extremely transphobic.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Oh I thought they were both transphobic.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Probably probably, but the first one is the one that
specifically has a trans character who is the villain and
her clocking is played for laughs at the end of
the film.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I'm my jaws dropped.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Well, I'm glad I misremembering this because I used to,
like my might of course, like my dad loved these movies,
which is like insane because my parents wouldn't let me
watch anything at all, and yet these movies were offensive sexual,
like you know, all these things like what the heck?
But yeah, no, he's he is Austin Powers meets Doctor
Doolittle in a Hawaiian shirt.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
I mean he's you know, a comedian doing a character
in a movie, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Right, or that as something.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Okay, So on the note of like this being like
a bit of a slow movie, it's I think it's
worth noting that Michel Gondry primarily directs music videos. I
think definitely before this film, and I think mostly after
as well. And you can definitely tell because I think
the movies beautiful, like visually, like I think it's stunning.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
You can tell why.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
It's like Tumblr viral, how like every frame of it
can be a gorgeous gift that you would reblog for
clout and but I've never seen his other his like
other film that everyone talks about, which is called The
Science of Sleep, which is about like a young guy
who has like vivid dreams that are interfering with his
(36:25):
waking life. And it's about like dreams and imagination, me
love and.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
So like weirds recently.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, but it's it's very his stuff is is very weird,
and I think that that was like part of the
appeal of this is like, even though now it feels
like it's a it's a part of this kind of
cliched or over played, like Indi Slee's Machine. Like at
the time, you know, if you were like, oh, my
favorite movie is like Eternal Cension of the Spotless Mind,
(36:54):
you kind of felt cool because you thought you were
participating in cinema because this is a weird post rising movie.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
You're like, it feels counter cultural, but in fact it
was just the cultural.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
It was the culture exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
If this service that exists in this movie existed, iro,
would you use it?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I mean, short answer, no, But I actually have a
really funny story about that. Sometime last year, I don't
remember why, but I was kind of like thinking about
Eternal Sunshine because it did used to be my favorite movie.
I was one of the Tumblr kids that said Eternal
Sunshine is my favorite movie or in my trucks or
in my top five favorite movies because I love you know,
(37:58):
top vibes, and I the other day the other year
last year, I was thinking about it. I was like, oh, yeah,
that movie.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
And I haven't actually revisited the movie in adulthood. I
kind of wish I was able to watch it before
the record, but if I do, well kind of hang
back to you. But I was like googling, like does
the memory erasing technology of Eternal Sunshine like exist? Like
that seems like something that in a dystopian age of
science in the twenty twenties, like that people would have
(38:31):
someone would have developed by now, like some sort of
mad scientist. And I, you know, read this like article
about how you know, no people are developing a kind
of technology like that. But right now, the closest thing
people get is like taking certain medications to help them
stave off like memories or intrusive thoughts related to their
(38:55):
trauma or traumatic experiences in the past. And I look
at the drug at the at the drug that they
were referring to you, and.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
I was on it.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
I was on propinolaw, which is this the drug that
they were referring to. And I was like, oh my god,
here I am like googling if I can erase my
brain and I actually already figured out a way to
kind of do.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
That a little bit.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I love that it was lovely.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
What about you? Would you? Would you press no?
Speaker 3 (39:26):
I will know I want to. I want to turn
this back on you because I don't believe you're I
don't believe you're no answer. So I'm going to force you.
If you if I held a gun to your head
and said you have to erase, okay, something like okay,
an ex, lover, a job, an experience, what would you
use this technology on?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Okay, you should prepare your answer as well. I think
I'll definitely say if I could erase. This is tough because,
as you know, the thematic consequence of the film teaches
us the hurtful things in our past actually make us
(40:09):
who we are, and so to erase such a large
chunk of your past is to kind of you'll still
feel this like vacuous hole in your life. And and
and therefore I mean yeah, I mean kind of yeah,
but I I yeah, no, You'll the even if you
were to erase your life right like looking back on
(40:30):
if you if it didn't exist in your brain anymore,
the the empty presence of that memory would still be
something that you're reckoning with. And so I think that's
I say that because like the thing that I would
probably erase is like my childhood, like I have and
I've been doing unfortunately a lot of writing on this
(40:50):
upcoming book project, and so that's like part of it.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
But I just have so many poignant.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Memories from grade to around like my sophomore junior year
of high school that really, I guess damaged my relationship
to my gender, damaged my relationship to my queerness, and
kept me away from myself for literally twenty years. And
I always think about, like, if I didn't have this
(41:20):
formative memory around, you know, something trans that happened to
me in first grade, if I didn't have this like
really hurtful thing that happened to me around general conformity
in my freshman year of college, like would I have
started would I have like found who I am earlier?
You know, as opposed to where I am now in
(41:41):
my murm redacted age shut up, but bleep that phoebe Okay,
So what about you?
Speaker 1 (41:49):
What would you erase?
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Well, I mean, as as we know already, as listeners
of this podcast know, I famously already remember, you've already
horrible memory.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
You've already done many street drugs in your early twenties
to have effectively erased much of it.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Here we are two empty headed girls.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Yes, I think I have a specific ex who I
think I would use this on, because every six to
twelve months he will reappear in my life, either through
like contact or just me seeing him online somewhere, and
(42:30):
I will just get sucked back in. I'll go and
read all of our dms to each other, like I'll
look through my phone at photos of us like that
I have not deleted and never will. And you know,
he still has this power over me even when it's
not him that's like actively seeking me out, although usually
(42:51):
that is what it is. And if I could just
erase him from my memory, because I do think that
is the only thing that would take this power that
he has over me away, as if I did not
remember being in love with him, obsessed with him. Yeah,
I would absolutely do that because I don't think he
(43:11):
brought anything good into my life that I would miss
in erasing him from me. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Well, honestly, now that you're saying that, like I would
erase my first boyfriend, like absolutely, and you know the
opposite of you, I actually never hear of this man ever,
Like he's not on social he does. I don't keep
up with him, like, I don't have any mutuals with him,
and I don't have images of him on my phone
(43:40):
like I because we were in high school, Like this
year and a half long relationship is just so far
away from me now. And yet the residue of that
relationship and the things that I learned in that relationship
that like were really hard to learn because he was
(44:00):
kind of, you know, for lack of a better way
of putting it, emotionally abusive. I am now paying for
that relationship in every future relationship. So I feel like
every relationship I've almost every relationship I've had in my
adulthood has these like TIFFs or fights or pain points
(44:20):
that are a consequence of this really really negative experience
that I had.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
With my first kind of partner.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
MM hmm, wow. I know. And the thing is, the
thing is that I still feel like kind of a liar,
and saying that I would erase him this hypothetical sense
is an exercise it because because the reality is, I
have the option to erase all of the parts of
(44:51):
him that still exist in my life. I could block
him and delete all these photos and delete his number
and all this stuff, but I choose not to. And
you know, this movie, because of the time when it
came out, it does kind of pre date the ways
in which relationships, friendships, experiences that were no longer part
of or able to live on in our lives. Like
(45:11):
we didn't have the same kind of you know, digital
paper trail that exists now. And I mean that's what
some of the best sci fi does, is like it.
You know, it's speculative fiction and in a way like
what Jim Carrey and Kate Winslett do and like deleting
each other from their brains, Like we can do a
(45:31):
version of that with our phones, and we choose not to.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yeah, I think that blocking people is I don't The
main reason I don't like doing it is if that
person finds out that they're blocked, then they know that
I'm thinking about them, and so I prefer muting, which
I do for lots and lots and lots of people,
not just exes, but people that I don't want to
(45:58):
see online anymore. People that you know bring up memories
that I'm just like, I don't want to care. I
don't care about you, and more, I don't want to
hear your take on anything. I love to mute, and
I will say uh to argue against the theory, the thematic
question of eternal sunshine, like when I have muted someone
(46:20):
for so long, like if I've had someone on mute
for years and then all of a sudden their like
name pops up somewhere and I'm like, oh, I forgot
that person existed, Like that is so powerful to me, like.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
I forgot I have a got it.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Sorry side note, side note. The only song that I no, no, no,
that's not true, not the only song. I love that
song and Cruel Summer I know everyone song is ass
I love it, love love love it. But maybe I
love that song because the extremely hampested lyrics of it
(46:55):
speak just to me personally, like I forgetting that someone
else existed is like my favorite favorite thing. I think
it's like it has this it has this power that
I really revel in. And I don't know if you
know this about me, Rose, but revenge is one of
the primary motivational forces in my lifetime, Like from high school.
(47:19):
I do know that, Yes, from high school to where
I am at now. I have a lot of my
success to think from.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
The bullies and abusers.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Of my past who told me that I couldn't do
the things that I want to do, and then I
went out and did them and proved them wrong and
was like more successful than they ever were.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Sorry, and I so ugly.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
It's not ugly, it's honest. But you you still want
to be visible to the people that you are no
longer engaging with.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yes, that you want an eternal sunshine scenario. This is
a little different.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
I do think, like I get where you're coming from.
On the like the idea that blocking someone telegraphs something
to them, potentially about some kind of power they still
have over you. I don't necessarily see it that way.
I see it as like creating the only boundary you
(48:19):
can create in this modern world and cutting off any
access they have to you. And in fact it's like
I think it's like a bit more of a of
a fuck you than that. And I certainly don't. I
certainly don't see like blocking someone as like giving them
giving them power. No, yeah, because because like I also
(48:41):
do sort of like I feel the same way about
people who I'm like no longer in contact with, but
like haven't blocked or anything. And and I do like
the idea of sometimes I'll go and like look at
my my Instagram or Twitter or something, and I'll try
to look at it through the eyes of someone else
and like try to understand like what that's presenting to them,
(49:05):
Like who is the version of me that they're seeing
like that? And that's just like a sick consequence of
social media. I don't I don't block people a lot.
I wish I did more. And it's more it's more
because of me. It's more because I still want the
ability to access the information. I'm still a little bit
(49:28):
of a not not really a creeper, but you know,
you're a human. I'm a human.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
I will say I wasn't like necessarily prescribing that muting
versus blocking.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
I know, I'm just not just digging into the conversation.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
But like not even to you, like to the virgins,
Like it's like it's like what works for you, And
like I would not prescribe revenge as a motivational force
in your life, you know, Like that is like not
something I'm proud of. It just so happens to be
a fact of me.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
And if it works, it works.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
If it works.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Look, it has been working at every turn I have.
I have so many moments in my life that are
just this crystal clear Taylor Swift backed moment where I'm like, oh,
not only did I forget that you existed, but like
I am so happy without you, oh honestly, also very
(50:27):
like Billie Eilish coded with her Happier Than Ever banger,
which is maybe top three Billie Eilish songs for me.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
So rose.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
I have not seen Garden State since it was shown
to me as a teen, and I don't even remember yes,
and I don't even remember the I don't even remember
the plot of the movie.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
It's it's one of my favorite movies. And I know
that I know that there's something about that that makes
me like a kind of basic in the way that
we've been talking about. But I like fully don't care
because I do love it, and it just I watched
it at a very formative time in my life. And
I mean the same way that you feel about Eternal Sunshine,
That's how I feel about Garden State, which is about
(51:35):
this struggling actor played by Zach Braff who goes home
when his mother dies and just has this transformative couple
of days as he meets this woman played by Natalie
Portman andrina reconnects with his hometown friends and like kind
of pass it out with his dad. And he's also
(51:56):
coming off of the like mood stabilizing medications he's been
on his whole life. And I don't know, there was
something about that that I really responded to. I think
like the Judaism was part of it because the main
character is Jewish. I really liked that, And I don't know,
I just saw like a lot of my own, like
(52:17):
family dynamics in that. And I don't know, it's weird
because it's not like the main character is not someone
who I necessarily identify with, you know, he's this like
straight guy.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
And whatever happened to Zach Braf, I like never watched Scrubs.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
Well, he dated Florence Pew and then they did.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
That is I had no idea about that.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
Yeah, I really want to do a Sofia Coppola episode,
because you know, I love Sophia and Sofia Coppola ran
Tumblr like.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
The Navy, and I famously don't really enjoy Sofia Copla
films outside of Marie Antoinette. But the reason I tend
to not enjoy Sophia Copla films is the reason is
part of the reason maybe you didn't enjoy Eternal Sunshine
is this kind of slow, this slowness, this like this
(53:09):
a lot of like dead air, these like muted textures
and like kind of monotonal dialogue, like a lot of
style over substance exactly which I look. I love style
over substance, like I still stand Baz Luhrman. Okay, but
I know, and that was I think those A lot
(53:29):
of Sophia Coppolo's movies are very slow to me. I've
never enjoyed Lost in Translation the Virgins are going to
come from. I don't really like Lost in Translation either.
Such a relief to hear you say that. I feel
crazy whenever people talk about it, like it is like,
you know, the fucking.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Greatest movie I've not read it.
Speaker 3 (53:47):
It's not one of my favorites, but Virgin Suicides is
one of my favorite movies and one of my favorite books.
Marie Antoinette is tied for first place. My favorite movie,
The Beguiled is really amazing.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
Some is directed by Soyvia Gobbla. Yeah I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Okay, I do love The Biguild, But that's kind of
crazy considering that The Biguild is literally Virgin Suicides, but
with the Hatchet and with Colin Farrell with with Hatchet
and Colin Farrell literally the same almost the same plot.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
But in the what is it right?
Speaker 2 (54:28):
No, no, no, no, I'm pretty I'm pretty right about this.
I'm I actually I feel like I am saying this accurately.
They are pretty much the exact same movie.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
No, because in the Virgin Suicides, like they're like malaise
is like turned in words, and and in The Beguile
that's turned onto an external force, which is Colin Farrell
to each their own.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Also, the Beguild is like told from.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
The women's point of view, and the Virgin Suicides like
famously about a bunch of boys who are like spectators
looking in on the women, right, which is why.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
But that's like kind of it's infuriating that that is
the lens that Sophia took with the book, because.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
Isn't that's the lens of the book.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
Then I will just say I hate the corrective voice
of this cultural entity because like, why I don't want
to hear from the boy's perspective. I guess, like, I guess,
actually I'm saying this stupid.
Speaker 3 (55:21):
It's kind of the whole point. Yes, it is because
these girls are these girls are unknowable.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
Yes, and also you have to hear it from an
outside perspective in order for the allure of their of
their story to make sense. But I just maybe that
that's just that's just me being like I don't want
to hear men talking.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
Slide into our DMS at Like a Virgin four twenty
sixty nine and let us know what you would erase
from your memory if Eternal Sunshine technology existed. Next week
we will be back with Gabe Bergado to talk about
all things Disney Channel, d coms, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
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Speaker 3 (56:08):
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You.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Oh, oh my god, oh my god. Oh it was
so big, Oh my god. Ew that wasp was like
literally could pay rent in my room.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
It was so big.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
She's sheen im me no me not my.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
N yo yo yo no, what is your childhood?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I have.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Your life's going down the floor like.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Round on the docket for a discussion today, Rose is
Drag Race All Stars. The first two episodes all Stars.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And something.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Eight.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Okay, good to know eight. I honestly thought it was seven.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
The more you know.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Do you have initial faves from the jump or like
a kind of impression of the cast as you started watching.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I don't necessarily have early favorites. Actually, no, that's a
lie I do. I am obsessed with James Mansfield and
I want her to win. Oh and by the way,
this is like a virgin the show we give yesterday's
pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose Daumu and I'm fran Torado.
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What I appreciated about the cast is that it has
a very early drag Race mix of girls. And here's
what I'll say. The season feels very off the rack.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I tally agree off the rack and honey, it did
not look as good on the Hangar as it did
on the body.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
You know what I mean, Yeah, I mean I like
that vibe for drag Race, especially because like with All
Stars specifically, and coming ran off the tails of All
Stars All winners, like that was the most polished, the
most like custom costume, lip injections, filler blah blah blah,
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like it could be. And this season feels a little
more haphazardly, like slapped together with quite a random assortment
of queens. And I like that, but it did kind
of show in the first two episodes it did not
feel quite up to the level.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I'll say that I have to agree with you. I
felt like my first impression, I am very happy with
this season so far. I actually think it's giving us
some good drama and some good competitors. My initial reaction
was that, speaking of filler, there are too many filler queens,
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and when you have an All Stars season, there.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Should be no fillers period, Like even the fillers are stars.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Like if you think about All Stars past, someone like
Cocoa Montrees who went home first for All Stars two
or All Stars three or whatever she was in when
she went home first, it was like devastating because you're
like damn, like someone like Cocoa is going home first,
like she's not even I don't know that it was devastating.
It was pretty it was pretty deserved. It was deserved.
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It was a totally deserved and same thing with this one. Like,
you know, the people that went home I think were
deserved were the people that were limited. I think deserved
to go home, but they were filler queens with All
Stars two or whatever, three whatever, Coca was not a
filler queen. She I wanted her to be there. She
was like such good TV. She was so funny. She's
still a good competitor. And so I think that that's
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kind of something that's incredible about All Stars. It's like,
because the talent is supposed to be on another level,
everyone should be gagging us. And I just felt like
like Monica and Nasha didn't need to be there.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
You know, I don't really feel like, what is it?
Is it not?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Is it Jessica Wild Like she kind of feels like
filler to me. Alexis Michelle also feels like filler to me.
Although no, Babe, I think Alexis Michelle is making.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
It to the end.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
She's the moment.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, I don't gag for her, but I think she
is very polished. Yeah, her looks are good. She has
a very clear perspective, she's good at the interviews. She's like,
I see her making it to the end. Maybe not
if there was a different lineup of queens, but with
the one that exists. Yeah, I think she'll be like
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in the top four.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I honestly so, I didn't even remember what season she
was in. Justin had to jog my memory on all
things Alexis Michelle and reminded me that she was the
girl that did the green lettuce look like she is
kind of like I guess her thing is like just
kind of being aloof and unaware of how she comes off.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
You didn't watch Untucked, did you?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Okay, so I don't ever think watching Untucked is worth it.
But Justin was like, you have to watch Untucked for
these episodes. It's actually really juicy, and Alexis Michelle in
the first episode of Untucked does something so fucking funny,
like it's literally performance art. Actually, I can just describe
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it to you if you if you want to know
what happens, since you want to watch it. So Monica,
who I am really worried for emotionally and spiritually because
what the way she's eliminated, and her heartbreak is like
truly so palpable, Like I don't know if I've seen
heartbreak like that on a first Home Girl since like
Miss Vangie. She's like realizing that she's going home in Untucked,
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like there's no other way. It's shaking out. They're not
going to vote off Darien Lake, and so Untucked is
basically this. It's this like goodbye to Monica. It's like
really sad, and she's like devastating. Everyone's holding space for her,
and all of a sudden, Alexis Michelle, out of nowhere,
starts making the conversation about her and her how overwhelmed
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she is by like being in this show and.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
It's so funny.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
You have to watch it. I'll send you a little
clip or something. But Alexis Michelle is doing performance right,
like she's so kuockoo bananas.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
To me, I think calling it performance art lends it
an air of intentionality. You don't think it is real?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah. Clarification Yeah, I mean,
I you know, obviously, like I'm gonna watch All Stars,
I think more so than with a normal dry Grace season,
Like I will get bored if this one quicker and
probably like tune out and let the episodes accumulate and
then like binge.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
It all towards the end. But you know, it is
a nice thing to watch, like on Saturday, Like every
Saturday morning, I go to the farmer's market and it's
nice to come home afterwards and watch All Stars as
I'm having my like basil pesto croissant that I love.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Drag Race on a Saturday morning, I did the same thing.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
It's like Saturday Morning cartoons. The drag queens are like
cartoon characters.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yes, Saturday Morning cartoons.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Okay, so cartoon character is speaking of back to James Mansfield,
what is what is the moment about her? I also
love James. I would not have picked her for my
number one, but like I do think that it would
be incredible to see her in the final four.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I love how crazy kooky she is. I really like
her drag aesthetic.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I love like the the like.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Vintage glamor of it, all the hair, the exaggeration. I
love someone who treats their drag character as a character
from head to toe, exact complete with a different voice.
And then on the flip side, I think she's really
good in the confessionals in like as you know, I
won't say, and as a boy, like I'll just say
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out of drag she's the whole package to me, and
like she is someone who I think, like after she
was kicked off of her initial season, like, did a
lot of work within the drag race community to become
this respected figure. Like she does all her own hair.
She has a YouTube channel. I've watched some of her
YouTube videos before. She's very funny. I also like that
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clip of her rolling from her season of Tumbling will
never not be funny to me, It's so good. So
I live for her, and I thought all I thought her.
All of her looks in this episode were fantastic. I
thought she was great in the second episode in the
you know like sketch comedy SNL Ripoff Challenge, which how
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weird it was to not have because this isn't Bowen
a guest judge later this season, how ye to have
him judge.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
That episode made no sense, no sense at all, But
I'm sure maybe it was like a date conflict or something.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, but yeah, I live for her. I live I
M James.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I love James extremely polished drag, like classic polished, like
almost pageant drag. And she also is a little bit
of a drag queen's drag queen because she does hair
and garments for like all of the girls and is
just known for her artistry. And like I don't know
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if it's the first episode or the second episode, I
think it's the first. There's a look, like a whole
look that got destroyed and root to drag race, and
she had to make the entire look in her in
her hotel room the night before. Like she is on
another level I think when it comes to like making
clothes and looks, and I really think that that will
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hopefully help her survive all the way to the end,
because I do not want her to be a philler queen.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I think she has set herself up not to be,
which is great. But I also I was just thinking
about this. I love after the last All Stars where
it was all winners and no one was eliminated and
they didn't critique the queens at all. I'm so happy
we're back to eliminating queens after critiquing them, because they
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need to be critiqued.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
They do they need to be crituck they need to
be crotuked. I one hundred percent agree. I feel like that,
like just as I said, like their philer queen should
not be here, so the girls need to be put
in place. And I think that my probably my current
top four would probably be Jimbo, Candy, I guess, Heidi,
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and maybe James Heidi.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I love Heidi.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I love Heidi.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I'm worried about her because I think Kahanna, who I
forgot existed, is like starting really strong and people really
love her.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
And I don't really literally who is she.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
She's from season eleven allegedly allegedly allegedly and she went
home very early.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I guess she was.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yes, I think she was a first home queen, fourteenth
place Jim Okay. The thing with Jimbo is like, what's
your jim theory? I do like Jimbo's.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Drag, but something about her just rubs me the way,
and I think it's like, specifically when she's out of
drag in the Confessionals, she has an extremely punishable face.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Her face is very like like mayor of Huvil.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, and like the hair, and I just like h
I don't like her, but I like but I like
her drag and like her performance in the challenges, but
I don't like her.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
So okay, I am a huge Jimbo stan from uh
Drag Race Versus the World and or UK Versus the
World and her Canada season, but justin honestly started to
push me a little off of the Jimbo train because
of the way she behaves off screen, just as you said.
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And I think that there's this kind of I'm too
good for this kind of vibe that doesn't sit right
with a white queen and with her attitude based on
how she treats the other girls, And like, I think
that when she's throwing shade, it's like good, but like
when she's just being like I'm better than everyone and
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I'm too good for this what she doesn't say, but
that's like kind of how she acts the vibe. It's
the vibe, and it's not cute. And I think that
there's some things that happen in UK Versus the World
that I feel like in terms of her behavior toward
the other girls and the way she felt entitled to
basically win that season, which is like how she was
thinking about it before her extremely controversial and dramatic elimination. Yeah,
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I think that kind of lowered the veil for me
on Jimbo, but I'm still she still probably is my
number one like I do. I do want to see
her take it because I felt like she was robbed
of of truly competing in UK Versus the World. But
my biggest issue, by number one issue with Jimbo is
that she can't lip sync at all, like he doesn't
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try at all. So I'm so glad it was really
really sad. Did you watch You Versus the World? I
watched a couple episodes, but I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
So you didn't watch the Pangina Jimbo elimination?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I think? I yeah, I think I did see that.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Okay, I think?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And so were you gagged when Pangina came out of
the lip sync Assassin door to go up against Jimbo.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I wouldn't say it was gagged. I understood why it
was gag worthy, but I personally did not gag.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Okay, okay, thank you for that clarification. It had unfortunately
been spoiled for me. But I was still gagged.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
That was a bad lip sync all around, though they
were both not.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I totally disagree. I thought Pangina was amazing and served Puss,
and I honestly think Pangina is one of the greatest
queens to have ever competed in the Drag Race cinematic universe.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Like to me, like if RuPaul.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Dies tomorrow and they have to replace Rue with a
queen or a panel of queens, it's like Jinx, Sasha Colby,
and Pengina, like those are probably the three that I
would think about to replace RuPaul.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Like I do.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I think that she I just want to see her
compete in everything, and that lip sing was very satisfying
for me because I really needed her to win against you.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Interesting, I thought I kind of sucked, but I thought
the lips thing from the first episode was great. And
Aja shitted all over what's her face?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yes, shit did?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Aja used to be my number one, like one of,
if not my number like one of my favorite queens
to ever compete in this show. And she kind of
retired from drag right, Like, I'm really glad that she
came back.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yeah, it was good to see her on the screen
just like made me think of the days when I
used to like book her to perform at Macray Park
for twenty five dollars.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, I mean that's noice so far.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
She's truly I mean when she was like underage, Yes,
that's something that I love about Asha's like origin story
is like she started doing drag when she was like
fifteen or sixteen, and the way she would book shows
was like going to the bar at like three or
four pm before they start karting people and just staying
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there until the show so that she could like stay
in a bar underage. Like that is like the kind
of queen that I want to see on a season.
And they just, to be completely honest, don't make queens
like Asa anymore. Like I think that Aja is a
part of a generation of queens that we just don't
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see growing up in drag in bars at fifteen.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Like well, yeah, because now all of the younger queens are.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Bedroom queens, bedroom queens, Instagram queens, TikTok I mean yeah,
now TikTok queens.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Which does you know yield good results in some cases
like sugar and spice, Like sugar and.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Sp oh but you know, loved loved Asa. When I
found out she retired from drag or whatever, I.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Was like, what the like she she used to.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I think she was online always talking about like about
her experience of drag race, like really negatively, which is fair,
but to say, like none of that art like mattered,
Like none of that art matters. And now I'm just
gonna be like a rock a rapper or whatever she
is doing. I know she's like in the House of
leave Asia. She's doing ballroom and she's rapping, which is cool,
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but like I was like, don't like, I'm just like
taking this very personally, but like there's no reason to
like denigrate your art from like a former life, Like.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
You like what Aza did on and.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
All Stars three or whatever she was on is like
but it's ballroom, Like she is like such an expert
performer and everything she does on the art level on
that show is totally worthy of, like you know, the
rest of her body of work. I just I don't
get queens that like move on from the show and
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they're like that was the old Median like fuck that
or whatever, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
The old So I'm sorry, the old Taylor can't come
to the phone right now, why cause she's dead. Did
you see that video that was going viral over the
weekend of Taylor yelling at the security guard at her
concert because he was like bugging this group of girls. Yeah,
it was no funny. Like in the middle, it's like
in the there were just these girls who are being
harassed by a security guard and Taylor was on stage
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performing bad Blood, and she's like, baby, now we got
bad Blood. Leave her alone. You know it used to
be mad Love. She's not doing anything. You made a
really deep cut. Stop stop.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Oh my god, that's kind of funny.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, it's great. You should watch the video.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I'll go watch.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
And then I saw the girl who was the one
who was like the subject of it all. She made
a TikTok about it and just like explaining, and they
got free tickets to go back for the second night
of the Era's tour, which I'm very jealous about because
the Aras Tour is coming to New York next week
and I still don't have tickets for it, and I
feel like I'm not gonna go. But it's okay because
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I did just get Beyonce tickets and I'm very excited.
And it's funny because I think we weren't we just
talking last week about how I was like, yeah, I'm
probably not gonna go to Beyonce.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, well what pushed you over the edge?
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Watching all the videos from the tour, I was like, oh,
I think I actually do need to see this. And
then I was looking for tailor tickets and there was
nothing lower than like twelve hundred dollars. And then I
went looked at Beyonce tickets and there were tickets as
low as like two hundred and fifty dollars, and I
was like, okay, oh, I mean that's not how much
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I paid. I paid more than that for better seats,
but it was just like much more accessible and like,
you know, the Aras tour like in a way is
more of a you know, once in a lifetime moment
because Taylor is doing all of her albums. But I
don't know, just from what I've seen the videos that
have come out of Beyonce, it's just it feels like
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this is a very special tour. It's like she is
like having fun in a way she maybe hasn't in
a while. It's like her gayest tour ever. And I
just want to be there and be part of it.
And I've never seen her before, so I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I I'm so excited too.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I wanted to I have not I have not really
talked to you yet about what I'm doing for Beyonce,
and now I'm so ashamed. But this is like, so
this is but this is actually an extremely mean thing.
Beyonce is the artist of my life, as you know,
as we've talked about on the show of bar Sure,
there's no artist that has like more significant, like personal
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like lifetime and value than Beyonce or maybe possibly Solunge,
and I've never seen her. So this is like, if
I'm gonna pay a stand crisis for something, this is it.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
That said, I have.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Talked about on the pod and talk to you a
lot about how I'm in the most financially precarious situation
that I've been in a very long time.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
So how am I gonna pull this off?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I posted on Instagram about how I honestly thought people
were crazy for flying to Europe to go see Beyonce,
and now I'm just like damn, like that actually was
the move because I can't wait until July twenty ninth
to see Beyonce.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Like I can't.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I can't. I simply can't.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I physically cannot, and like not only will the whole
tour be spoiled for me by then, but like, I
need to see her now. And so Zach staff good
Judy DMed me and was like, girl, there are people
in our group that are like trying to sell tickets.
And the tickets happened to be sold by a one
Jay Wortham, who's a friend of mine. And I messaged
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them and I was like, just let's say I was
maybe considering thinking of maybe possibly going to London to
see Beyonce. I heard you're selling tickets.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Oh You're going to Turf Island to see Beyonce? How fun?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Jay said, oh yeah, our section is front row gold section,
seats fifty and fifty one. And Jay sold them to
me for three hundred and fifty dollars each.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
So the cost of this ticket and my flight to
London will be about the same as a ticket to
Beyonce in Jersey.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
So I was like, the decision has been made, Justin
and I will.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Be That's exciting.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I'm really excited because I haven't been to London in ages.
I'm putting the whole trip on a credit card because yes,
I am me and also Justin and I can both
take meetings there so we can write the Pultu off great.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
So I don't think I've told you this, but I'm
sort of on this kick at the moment to try
to watch a bunch of movies specifically that I have
never seen before that people consider to be very good
or have told me I would like specifically movies because
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I'm just I'm not have I don't have a great
attention span with TV right now. It's why it's taken
me so long to like watch Dead Ringers, you know,
because it's just I kind of can't do more than
one episode at a time.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
It's also dark as hell. It is like so dark.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
It's been like generally across the board with TV. It's
like one thing if I'm binging something I've already seen
and I can like be on my phone during it.
But the thing with a movie that's great is like
I can say, you know, I mean, for the most part,
it's like two hours maximum. I can sit there, pay
attention for that length of time and then move on
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with my life and go watch a video essay about
like teen Wolf or something. Yeah, so the latest film
I watched that, somehow I had never gotten around to seeing.
Was Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
A completely baffling fact to me because it is so
tumblr core, if not perhaps one of the single most
prevalent tumbler movies of my generation, next to like what
five Hundred Days of Summer like.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Yes, and Virgin Suicides. I would say Virgin Suicides.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Gifts of those gifts of those movies are like what
Tumblr ran off of anyone for anyone who doesn't know.
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is a two thousand
and four movie directed by Michelle Gondry. It stars Jim Carrey,
Kate Winslet, Kirsten Dunst, Mark Ruffalo, Elijah Wood.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Mark Ruffalo, I forgot about him.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, he plays one of the technicians. So it's about
this man, Jim Carrey, who discovers that his ex girlfriend
has used this service to have him erased from her memory,
so he does the same in retaliation. The film is,
you know, sort of like gentle sci fi. I guess
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you would call it. What can I say? I do
find it surprising that y'all were doing all that on
Tumblr over this movie.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Because it's like slow, weird and sometimes boring. Yeah, I
just like didn't really like it all that. I mean,
I know I.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Liked it, yea, what did you like?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
And dislike?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
I liked it. I guess I was expecting this feeling
I have sometimes when I watch these films that have
been so hyped to me that you know, they are
like slotting into this place that almost had been waiting
for them in my own internal like canon of media.
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And this didn't really do that for me. I thought
I was really gonna love it, and I thought it
was good, but I didn't think it was like groundbreaking
or anything. Maybe I would have if I had seen
it in two thousand and four.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I think that's I think that's part of it, is
it it's a movie most effectively watched before you're maybe well, okay,
here's the thing. I think it's a movie that is
maybe in its tone and how it's executed, most effectively
watched when before like your balls drop, I guess, or like, yeah,
(27:12):
I said it, And I feel like I feel like
that is because the romance. There's so much romance around,
like heartbreak and relationships that I think is even more
dramatic if you haven't had your first heartbreak, right like,
I think a lot of heartbreak. Movies are actually better
when you experience romance because you get to like taste
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that suffering and that Catharsis.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
You get to romanticize romance.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yes, but I also think that it is a movie
that can be really impactful if you have just ended
a very significant relationship. And I know that it's like
I imagine, so yeah, it is really like it speaks volumes.
I'm sure if I had seen this movie when I
was in high school, I absolutely would have made it
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my entire personality. I really do think that's the thing
of it is, like as as millennials like this is
a movie that would have I mean, for me two
thousand and four, Like I was a sophomore junior in.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
High school, so like, yes, this Well, also what I
realized is, okay, I will say this, this movie is
what I would call Garden State Corps. There was this
spat of indie films in the mid two thousands that
gained mainstream prominence in a way that that those hadn't
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really happened.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Empowered by you know the Shins.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yes, the Shins, freu frough, you know, image heap was
all over the place.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Postal service.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Also, I think part of it is that all of
these indie films, the ones we're talking about specifically, had
movie stars in them that brought them that mainstream attention
and commercials success that I think up until then, indie
film hadn't really experienced, especially these like smaller romantic comedies
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or romantic dramas. And I did see Garden State when
it came out, and I did make it my whole personality,
and I still love it and I'm obsessed with it,
and it's like one of my favorite movies and like
a kind of story that I would love to tell.
And Eternal Sunshine, I mean, yeah, if I had seen
(29:31):
it was when I was a teenager, I think I
would have been totally obsessed with it. And now seeing
it as a very jaded adult, ye, I'm like.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Doesn't have the same? Sure have the same? Like punkdum
It's yeah, it's not the same.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Doesn't have the same?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
What punk them a word?
Speaker 3 (29:49):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I think I've actually, I think we've had this exact
same conversation on the podcast before. But punk them is
a term used in like, particularly in photography artistry, about
the unnameable, like kind of sublime way that an image
just makes sense and hits like there's something indescribable about
(30:11):
what you're seeing visually that just hits you and you're like,
this is exactly right.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
It's a punk dum.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Okay that that term is very helpful, And yeah, I
did not experience that when watching this movie. I was
kind of bored watching it and was kind of waiting
for it to be over, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, it gets a little slow, which is kind of
a Michelle Gondry thing. A lot of his movies are slow, muted,
like palettes, like weird, like kind of hard to grasp sometimes.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
And you know, there were parts of it that I
really liked. I thought Kirsten Dunst was great, and I
actually thought that her storyline was maybe the film I
was more interested in seeing. But it would have been
a very different movie, probably like a much darker one
(31:11):
her storyline, and I guess like that's with this specific premise,
like that is maybe the road I'm more interested in
going down, Like we don't get a lot of small
sci fi movies like this, or like sci fi romantic
comedies or romantic dramas, like there's this movie that came
(31:33):
out in like I guess kind of around the same time,
like early two thousand's called Timer. Have you ever heard
of it? It's a movie in which there's a world
where you can get a timer, like a sort of
stop watch, installed in your wrist, and it counts down
to the moment that you meet your soulmate. Oh and
(31:55):
it's a romantic comedy. And I initially watched it because
a Coffield who plays Anya and Buffy was in it,
and I just became obsessed with it. And you still
rent it from Blockbuster all the time. It's like one
of those yes, but yeah, I there we You know,
we're now in such the age of like big sci
fi blockbusters and superhero movies and that kind of stuff
(32:18):
that we don't get these smaller, quieter sci fi films,
and like specifically, I think sci fi romances, And you know,
this is not a movie where the science fiction is
sort of like incidental to the plot. It's like the
movie wouldn't be happening if it if it weren't for that.
But I do appreciate that it's sort of like still
kind of a gentle sci fi in a way. It's
(32:41):
all very internal. Also, Jim Carrey is so hot in
this movie. And I mean your type in this movie,
I know. I mean, I have long known that I
have a thing for Jim Carrey.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I didn't know this.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
I haven't know about fuck Baby Baby. Waita wait, by
what movie?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Is he the hottest? Is this the hottest he's ever been? A? No?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I mean I am. I am partial to young Jim Carrey.
He was in this movie Once Bitten, this nineteen eighty
five movie that's about an older female vampire. It's gonna
be about a vampire who wants to suck the blood
out of young Jim Carrey. And it's so hot and
he's so hot in it. I want to see that.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
But also, is it a Christmas movie if it's called
Once Bitten? No, it's a it's a vampire movie, I know.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
But like Once Bitten and Twice.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Shy, I mean I think the movie predates that song
because it's eighty five.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Oh yeah, oh so that might.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Oh, once Bitten twice Shy is probably like an expression
that I've never.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
It is, and it's famously an expression that is used
by that song.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Wait, oh wait, what does what does the expression mean?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
I don't know?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Okay, wait, no, let's find out right now once bitten twice,
shy and unpleasant experience inducing caution, that's pretty generic.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
So yes, I would suck Jim Carrey in this movie
kind of at all times. I'm interested to know.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Oh, you would even suck ace Ventura. Oh yeah, I
mean he is actually he is actually really like his
he is kind of a like a jungle Austin Powers
in that movie.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Jungle Austin Powers. Can you explain that?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, because like he, I mean a Sventra is like
horny and thrusty and like has all these jokes about
being this kind of like Johnny Bravo esque, like Macho man.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
And yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Where's the jungle part of it? Though?
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Ace Ventura takes place in the jungle like it's all right,
No it doesn't yet, Yes it does.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
It like takes place like in Africa. A lot of
it takes place in Africa. And this is.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
The second one does where he comes out of the
rhinoceroses butt yeaheah.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
And maybe also maybe I don't remember the first one,
but I think maybe I'm just.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Oh, the first one is the first one is extremely transphobic.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Oh I thought they were both transphobic.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Probably probably, but the first one is the one that
specifically has a trans character who is the villain and
her clocking is played for laughs at the end of
the film.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I'm my jaws dropped.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Well, I'm glad I misremembering this because I used to,
like my might of course, like my dad loved these movies,
which is like insane because my parents wouldn't let me
watch anything at all, and yet these movies were offensive sexual,
like you know, all these things like what the heck?
But yeah, no, he's he is Austin Powers meets Doctor
Doolittle in a Hawaiian shirt.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
I mean he's you know, a comedian doing a character
in a movie, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Right, or that as something.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Okay, So on the note of like this being like
a bit of a slow movie, it's I think it's
worth noting that Michel Gondry primarily directs music videos. I
think definitely before this film, and I think mostly after
as well. And you can definitely tell because I think
the movies beautiful, like visually, like I think it's stunning.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
You can tell why.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
It's like Tumblr viral, how like every frame of it
can be a gorgeous gift that you would reblog for
clout and but I've never seen his other his like
other film that everyone talks about, which is called The
Science of Sleep, which is about like a young guy
who has like vivid dreams that are interfering with his
(36:25):
waking life. And it's about like dreams and imagination, me
love and.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
So like weirds recently.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, but it's it's very his stuff is is very weird,
and I think that that was like part of the
appeal of this is like, even though now it feels
like it's a it's a part of this kind of
cliched or over played, like Indi Slee's Machine. Like at
the time, you know, if you were like, oh, my
favorite movie is like Eternal Cension of the Spotless Mind,
(36:54):
you kind of felt cool because you thought you were
participating in cinema because this is a weird post rising movie.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
You're like, it feels counter cultural, but in fact it
was just the cultural.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
It was the culture exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
If this service that exists in this movie existed, iro,
would you use it?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I mean, short answer, no, But I actually have a
really funny story about that. Sometime last year, I don't
remember why, but I was kind of like thinking about
Eternal Sunshine because it did used to be my favorite movie.
I was one of the Tumblr kids that said Eternal
Sunshine is my favorite movie or in my trucks or
in my top five favorite movies because I love you know,
(37:58):
top vibes, and I the other day the other year
last year, I was thinking about it. I was like, oh, yeah,
that movie.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
And I haven't actually revisited the movie in adulthood. I
kind of wish I was able to watch it before
the record, but if I do, well kind of hang
back to you. But I was like googling, like does
the memory erasing technology of Eternal Sunshine like exist? Like
that seems like something that in a dystopian age of
science in the twenty twenties, like that people would have
(38:31):
someone would have developed by now, like some sort of
mad scientist. And I, you know, read this like article
about how you know, no people are developing a kind
of technology like that. But right now, the closest thing
people get is like taking certain medications to help them
stave off like memories or intrusive thoughts related to their
(38:55):
trauma or traumatic experiences in the past. And I look
at the drug at the at the drug that they
were referring to you, and.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
I was on it.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
I was on propinolaw, which is this the drug that
they were referring to. And I was like, oh my god,
here I am like googling if I can erase my
brain and I actually already figured out a way to
kind of do.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
That a little bit.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I love that it was lovely.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
What about you? Would you? Would you press no?
Speaker 3 (39:26):
I will know I want to. I want to turn
this back on you because I don't believe you're I
don't believe you're no answer. So I'm going to force you.
If you if I held a gun to your head
and said you have to erase, okay, something like okay,
an ex, lover, a job, an experience, what would you
use this technology on?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Okay, you should prepare your answer as well. I think
I'll definitely say if I could erase. This is tough because,
as you know, the thematic consequence of the film teaches
us the hurtful things in our past actually make us
(40:09):
who we are, and so to erase such a large
chunk of your past is to kind of you'll still
feel this like vacuous hole in your life. And and
and therefore I mean yeah, I mean kind of yeah,
but I I yeah, no, You'll the even if you
were to erase your life right like looking back on
(40:30):
if you if it didn't exist in your brain anymore,
the the empty presence of that memory would still be
something that you're reckoning with. And so I think that's
I say that because like the thing that I would
probably erase is like my childhood, like I have and
I've been doing unfortunately a lot of writing on this
(40:50):
upcoming book project, and so that's like part of it.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
But I just have so many poignant.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Memories from grade to around like my sophomore junior year
of high school that really, I guess damaged my relationship
to my gender, damaged my relationship to my queerness, and
kept me away from myself for literally twenty years. And
I always think about, like, if I didn't have this
(41:20):
formative memory around, you know, something trans that happened to
me in first grade, if I didn't have this like
really hurtful thing that happened to me around general conformity
in my freshman year of college, like would I have
started would I have like found who I am earlier?
You know, as opposed to where I am now in
(41:41):
my murm redacted age shut up, but bleep that phoebe Okay,
So what about you?
Speaker 1 (41:49):
What would you erase?
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Well, I mean, as as we know already, as listeners
of this podcast know, I famously already remember, you've already
horrible memory.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
You've already done many street drugs in your early twenties
to have effectively erased much of it.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Here we are two empty headed girls.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Yes, I think I have a specific ex who I
think I would use this on, because every six to
twelve months he will reappear in my life, either through
like contact or just me seeing him online somewhere, and
(42:30):
I will just get sucked back in. I'll go and
read all of our dms to each other, like I'll
look through my phone at photos of us like that
I have not deleted and never will. And you know,
he still has this power over me even when it's
not him that's like actively seeking me out, although usually
(42:51):
that is what it is. And if I could just
erase him from my memory, because I do think that
is the only thing that would take this power that
he has over me away, as if I did not
remember being in love with him, obsessed with him. Yeah,
I would absolutely do that because I don't think he
(43:11):
brought anything good into my life that I would miss
in erasing him from me. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Well, honestly, now that you're saying that, like I would
erase my first boyfriend, like absolutely, and you know the
opposite of you, I actually never hear of this man ever,
Like he's not on social he does. I don't keep
up with him, like, I don't have any mutuals with him,
and I don't have images of him on my phone
(43:40):
like I because we were in high school, Like this
year and a half long relationship is just so far
away from me now. And yet the residue of that
relationship and the things that I learned in that relationship
that like were really hard to learn because he was
(44:00):
kind of, you know, for lack of a better way
of putting it, emotionally abusive. I am now paying for
that relationship in every future relationship. So I feel like
every relationship I've almost every relationship I've had in my
adulthood has these like TIFFs or fights or pain points
(44:20):
that are a consequence of this really really negative experience
that I had.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
With my first kind of partner.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
MM hmm, wow. I know. And the thing is, the
thing is that I still feel like kind of a liar,
and saying that I would erase him this hypothetical sense
is an exercise it because because the reality is, I
have the option to erase all of the parts of
(44:51):
him that still exist in my life. I could block
him and delete all these photos and delete his number
and all this stuff, but I choose not to. And
you know, this movie, because of the time when it
came out, it does kind of pre date the ways
in which relationships, friendships, experiences that were no longer part
of or able to live on in our lives. Like
(45:11):
we didn't have the same kind of you know, digital
paper trail that exists now. And I mean that's what
some of the best sci fi does, is like it.
You know, it's speculative fiction and in a way like
what Jim Carrey and Kate Winslett do and like deleting
each other from their brains, Like we can do a
(45:31):
version of that with our phones, and we choose not to.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yeah, I think that blocking people is I don't The
main reason I don't like doing it is if that
person finds out that they're blocked, then they know that
I'm thinking about them, and so I prefer muting, which
I do for lots and lots and lots of people,
not just exes, but people that I don't want to
(45:58):
see online anymore. People that you know bring up memories
that I'm just like, I don't want to care. I
don't care about you, and more, I don't want to
hear your take on anything. I love to mute, and
I will say uh to argue against the theory, the thematic
question of eternal sunshine, like when I have muted someone
(46:20):
for so long, like if I've had someone on mute
for years and then all of a sudden their like
name pops up somewhere and I'm like, oh, I forgot
that person existed, Like that is so powerful to me, like.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
I forgot I have a got it.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Sorry side note, side note. The only song that I no, no, no,
that's not true, not the only song. I love that
song and Cruel Summer I know everyone song is ass
I love it, love love love it. But maybe I
love that song because the extremely hampested lyrics of it
(46:55):
speak just to me personally, like I forgetting that someone
else existed is like my favorite favorite thing. I think
it's like it has this it has this power that
I really revel in. And I don't know if you
know this about me, Rose, but revenge is one of
the primary motivational forces in my lifetime, Like from high school.
(47:19):
I do know that, Yes, from high school to where
I am at now. I have a lot of my
success to think from.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
The bullies and abusers.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Of my past who told me that I couldn't do
the things that I want to do, and then I
went out and did them and proved them wrong and
was like more successful than they ever were.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Sorry, and I so ugly.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
It's not ugly, it's honest. But you you still want
to be visible to the people that you are no
longer engaging with.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yes, that you want an eternal sunshine scenario. This is
a little different.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
I do think, like I get where you're coming from.
On the like the idea that blocking someone telegraphs something
to them, potentially about some kind of power they still
have over you. I don't necessarily see it that way.
I see it as like creating the only boundary you
(48:19):
can create in this modern world and cutting off any
access they have to you. And in fact it's like
I think it's like a bit more of a of
a fuck you than that. And I certainly don't. I
certainly don't see like blocking someone as like giving them
giving them power. No, yeah, because because like I also
(48:41):
do sort of like I feel the same way about
people who I'm like no longer in contact with, but
like haven't blocked or anything. And and I do like
the idea of sometimes I'll go and like look at
my my Instagram or Twitter or something, and I'll try
to look at it through the eyes of someone else
and like try to understand like what that's presenting to them,
(49:05):
Like who is the version of me that they're seeing
like that? And that's just like a sick consequence of
social media. I don't I don't block people a lot.
I wish I did more. And it's more it's more
because of me. It's more because I still want the
ability to access the information. I'm still a little bit
(49:28):
of a not not really a creeper, but you know,
you're a human. I'm a human.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
I will say I wasn't like necessarily prescribing that muting
versus blocking.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
I know, I'm just not just digging into the conversation.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
But like not even to you, like to the virgins,
Like it's like it's like what works for you, And
like I would not prescribe revenge as a motivational force
in your life, you know, Like that is like not
something I'm proud of. It just so happens to be
a fact of me.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
And if it works, it works.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
If it works.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Look, it has been working at every turn I have.
I have so many moments in my life that are
just this crystal clear Taylor Swift backed moment where I'm like, oh,
not only did I forget that you existed, but like
I am so happy without you, oh honestly, also very
(50:27):
like Billie Eilish coded with her Happier Than Ever banger,
which is maybe top three Billie Eilish songs for me.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
So rose.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
I have not seen Garden State since it was shown
to me as a teen, and I don't even remember yes,
and I don't even remember the I don't even remember
the plot of the movie.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
It's it's one of my favorite movies. And I know
that I know that there's something about that that makes
me like a kind of basic in the way that
we've been talking about. But I like fully don't care
because I do love it, and it just I watched
it at a very formative time in my life. And
I mean the same way that you feel about Eternal Sunshine,
That's how I feel about Garden State, which is about
(51:35):
this struggling actor played by Zach Braff who goes home
when his mother dies and just has this transformative couple
of days as he meets this woman played by Natalie
Portman andrina reconnects with his hometown friends and like kind
of pass it out with his dad. And he's also
(51:56):
coming off of the like mood stabilizing medications he's been
on his whole life. And I don't know, there was
something about that that I really responded to. I think
like the Judaism was part of it because the main
character is Jewish. I really liked that, And I don't know,
I just saw like a lot of my own, like
(52:17):
family dynamics in that. And I don't know, it's weird
because it's not like the main character is not someone
who I necessarily identify with, you know, he's this like
straight guy.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
And whatever happened to Zach Braf, I like never watched Scrubs.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
Well, he dated Florence Pew and then they did.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
That is I had no idea about that.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
Yeah, I really want to do a Sofia Coppola episode,
because you know, I love Sophia and Sofia Coppola ran
Tumblr like.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
The Navy, and I famously don't really enjoy Sofia Copla
films outside of Marie Antoinette. But the reason I tend
to not enjoy Sophia Copla films is the reason is
part of the reason maybe you didn't enjoy Eternal Sunshine
is this kind of slow, this slowness, this like this
(53:09):
a lot of like dead air, these like muted textures
and like kind of monotonal dialogue, like a lot of
style over substance exactly which I look. I love style
over substance, like I still stand Baz Luhrman. Okay, but
I know, and that was I think those A lot
(53:29):
of Sophia Coppolo's movies are very slow to me. I've
never enjoyed Lost in Translation the Virgins are going to
come from. I don't really like Lost in Translation either.
Such a relief to hear you say that. I feel
crazy whenever people talk about it, like it is like,
you know, the fucking.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Greatest movie I've not read it.
Speaker 3 (53:47):
It's not one of my favorites, but Virgin Suicides is
one of my favorite movies and one of my favorite books.
Marie Antoinette is tied for first place. My favorite movie,
The Beguiled is really amazing.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
Some is directed by Soyvia Gobbla. Yeah I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Okay, I do love The Biguild, But that's kind of
crazy considering that The Biguild is literally Virgin Suicides, but
with the Hatchet and with Colin Farrell with with Hatchet
and Colin Farrell literally the same almost the same plot.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
But in the what is it right?
Speaker 2 (54:28):
No, no, no, no, I'm pretty I'm pretty right about this.
I'm I actually I feel like I am saying this accurately.
They are pretty much the exact same movie.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
No, because in the Virgin Suicides, like they're like malaise
is like turned in words, and and in The Beguile
that's turned onto an external force, which is Colin Farrell
to each their own.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Also, the Beguild is like told from.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
The women's point of view, and the Virgin Suicides like
famously about a bunch of boys who are like spectators
looking in on the women, right, which is why.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
But that's like kind of it's infuriating that that is
the lens that Sophia took with the book, because.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
Isn't that's the lens of the book.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
Then I will just say I hate the corrective voice
of this cultural entity because like, why I don't want
to hear from the boy's perspective. I guess, like, I guess,
actually I'm saying this stupid.
Speaker 3 (55:21):
It's kind of the whole point. Yes, it is because
these girls are these girls are unknowable.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
Yes, and also you have to hear it from an
outside perspective in order for the allure of their of
their story to make sense. But I just maybe that
that's just that's just me being like I don't want
to hear men talking.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
Slide into our DMS at Like a Virgin four twenty
sixty nine and let us know what you would erase
from your memory if Eternal Sunshine technology existed. Next week
we will be back with Gabe Bergado to talk about
all things Disney Channel, d coms, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
Such a good episode.
Speaker 3 (56:08):
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