Capítulo 101: Satan Is Having A Moment

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Radio radio radio com He's a Myth and Bullshit a
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Own Risk. Look at a Radio is a radio phonic novella,
which is just a very extra way of saying a podcast.
I'm fiosa and I'm mala. Welcome back to season five.
Thank you so much for tuning in. We know that

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last time on local radio. We launched season five with
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ton of world news we want to address, and also
at all recovering Catholics. Is it me or is Satan
having a moment? Satan really is having a time, and
we're going to discuss Satan as one of our faive
pop culture icons TVH not only a biblical icon but

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also a pop culture one. And also um shout out parents,
it was just Easter. Sorry Nation. I don't know about you, Mala,
but every year my parents watched the Ten Commandments. You know,
it's a it's a tradish for many many a Catholic family.
I can't say that that we watch the Ten Commandments

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every Easter, but it's a good one. That's a good one.
That's an epic four hours long. I no longer partake
in that because I'm an adult, but as a child man,
it was long. And with Charles Charlton Heston right, yes,
or before he got in deep with the n R
A right, a young Charlton Heston, a strapping Charlton has

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the goal. So yeah, that being said, we're gonna hop
into the garden of today's episode. We're going to start

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with a little segment on world updates. We can't necessarily,
uh go in depth into every global happening in the
span of a forty five minute, but what we're going
to try and do is acknowledge the events that have
been happening, especially here in l A, around the world,
and the stuff that our listeners have d m us

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and reached out to us to ask us about, right
because it affects us and our audience. So we want
to start with something that I think is very much
ongoing and part of a much larger issue. But this
is about what's been happening at Echo Park Lake and
Echo Park Rising essentially, So the ALSA do you want
to like kind of give us a recap of what's

(05:51):
been happening in Silver Lake? Yeah, absolutely so. If you're
from l A, if you've visited l A, you know
that we are in a housing crisis. There have been
a lot of efforts to declare it as a state
of emergency, because that is it's really what's happening. Compounded
by a pandemic. Things have gotten really bad. So if

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you've driven by Echo Park Lake, you may have seen
that there were a lot of tents, um there were
a lot of homeless folks taking refuge at Echo Park Lake,
and there's been For me, I think it's been really
hard to keep up with the story because I've seen
a lot of conflicting information, and so we just want
to encourage folks to do their own research and we
can link some some different news articles in our newsletters

(06:37):
so that y'all can be informed as to what's going on.
But essentially, UM, the council member of that district, Mitchell Ferrell,
decided that they were going to do a sweep and
so what that means is literally a sweep, and so
you would have to leave all the houseless folks that
were there, would have to take their belongings and essentially

(06:57):
find a new place. However, also want to recognize that
efforts were made with Urban Alchemy to UM get folks
housed and to get them into temporary housing which would
hopefully lead to permanent supportive housing. UM and I say
that there's been a lot of conflicting information because we
saw this number. I want to say about a hundred

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and sixty five people were connected to Project Room Key.
Yes to Project Room Key. Simultaneously, I've seen folks say,
actually we were promised room but turns out there weren't
any rooms, right, And so I think that it's a
evolving story, and um, I want to shout or I
want to recognize the folks on the ground that have

(07:41):
been providing services, you know, and recognize that there have
been people trying to provide services. Two houses folks four months, right,
And we hope to have a guest in the future
to talk more about that. So, Mala, do you want
to add anything. Yeah, it's tragic, is like, it's beyond

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tragic what's been happening in l A. L A isn't
the only place that has been hit hard by displacement
and evictions. And I think one of the issues here
is that we've gotten really no rent relief in the
city over the course of the pandemic. There's been no
rent relief. The alleged eviction moratorium where like when because

(08:26):
I think that there have been ongoing evictions, you know,
as soon as landlords were able to evict people, I
think they started doing it. And I'm sure that there
have been families and some people who have gotten like
some reprieve or who have gotten a little bit of help,
but it's been nowhere near enough and so what I've
definitely noticed, and if you're from l A or live

(08:47):
in l A or have passed through, you've probably seen that.
It's just exploded the amount of houselessness. And the first
time I drove by Echo Park Lake, I hadn't been
in Silver Lake for months because I was staying home
and kind of just staying on my side of town
per the quarantine. And the first time that I really
drove by during the pandemic, I was in complete shock

(09:10):
and blown away, not necessarily surprised, but really really overwhelmed
by how many tents and such um little buildings people basically,
you know, are creating for themselves shelters that people are
building for themselves at Eco Park Lake, and not just there,
but in Culver City, all over downtown in El Serino

(09:31):
on Huntington's Drive, I've never seen homeless people there, you
know what I mean. And it's like, what I want
to make clear is these are our neighbors, Like these
are formerly housed people who have been forced out of
their housing and forced onto the streets or into parks
and such. And in the city of Los Angeles and

(09:52):
in the county, I don't think we've ever really had
an appropriate or permanent response to houselessness. I think that
what ends up happening. And we oh, my god, we've
seen sweep so many times when they bring in big
dump trucks and they literally take away everyone's stuff and
throw away everyone's stuff. And when you do that to
a houseless person, you're probably throwing away their medication and

(10:15):
their important documents and the things that they have, you know,
gathered together to survive. And if you've I've I don't
know if anybody out there has ever met a houseless
person after a sweep, But when I was working at
p O V, I remember they're on Boudre. There's always
been encampments, and one day they did a sweep and
a lot of houseless people have appointments during the day
and jobs, and I remember there was a houseless woman

(10:37):
who walked by and one of my co workers spoke
to her and and I also spoke to her in
front of the building, and she was like, I went
this woman, this poor woman told us that she had
gone fro an appointment and when she went back to
her tenant was just gone. All of her stuff was gone.
So you know, she's like alone in the city. With
like nothing except what's on her person, and it's not

(10:58):
an answer, you know, it's not a solution. It throws
people into further um disarray. And I think that one
of the other unfortunate things is like I think that
sometimes service providers like provide options that are kind of
like not really options because for example, like if you're
houseless and you don't have a car and transportation, like

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you can't just get all over the county and the
city like on a whim. It takes a lot for
somebody to get from one part of the city to
to the other. So I think one of the issues
with Project room Key is like Echo Park Lake is
in Silver Lake, and I think that the hotel that
they were offering rooms at was like in Downey or something,

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which is just not feasible. It's not appropriate for the solution.
And like I think if we think about like what's
been kind of going on in Elserino and South Pass
and like those cal Trans houses, and there have been
movements recently over the course of the pandemic to try
and reclaim those empty houses like house those people are

(12:04):
making very clear like we live here, we would like
to live here in this empty open space. But I
think that service providers are sometimes too controlling with like,
well know, if you're going to get help, it has
to be our kind of help, like in our location
and where we decide you're going to be. But it's
just or you can't bring your pets, you know, you

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can't bring all your bags and your suitcases and your stuff.
You know, you have to come all the way out here.
So I don't know. I think that like the city
in the county have a lot of work to do,
and I think that like we have to be more compassionate,
especially when we think about how our neighborhoods do not
benefit at all from these like really stringent like policies

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and policing and like gutting social services and gutting housing,
like none of us benefit from that. And I think
that the proof is in the pudding here. What I
also want to add, like part of it is also
being like pro solutions, so like, for example, folks that
are homeowners right, because a lot of the pushback comes
from homeowners when there is any type of um for

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example a bridge home right as like a county initiative right,
But there's a lot of pushback from homeowners in their
respective communities or cities where they say, well, we don't
want supportive housing here, we don't want permanent supportive housing here,
But then they then they also don't want encampments, and
so you can't have both. You can't have you can't
not want encampments but then also not want permanent supportive housing, right,

(13:37):
And so part of it is being like pro solutions, right.
And so I think folks that like want to get involved,
like getting involved locally and like letting your city council
people know like you want permanent supportive housing, right, because
like Mala mentioned, these are literally our community members are neighbors, right,
And so having leading with compassion I think is going

(13:59):
to be key and also getting involved because those folks
that don't want permanent supportive housing and they don't want solutions,
you best believe that they are at those city council
meetings sharing their public comments. They're all over Facebook, Like
I see them in the comments as well, like saying
like we don't want this here. It's just humanizing too
houseless folks. So that's one way to get involved, you know,

(14:22):
like be vocal that you want solutions and you want
permanent supportive housing in your neighborhood. So of course, um,
there's always more to learn. I suggest checking out the
Echo Park Rising hashtag and folks who have been reporting
from on the ground, you know. I follow the l

(14:43):
A Taco folks and the l A Times folks, And
if you are into local news, I suggest getting on
Twitter because a lot of journalists are out there on
the street and like streaming live and reporting directly. So um,
you know, get yourself educated and find out ways to
to help in your immediate circle of influence. So that's

(15:03):
our update for houselessness and Echo Park Rising. But of
course there's a lot going on in the world, and
we also wanted to talk a little bit about the
ongoing right, historical and current present day violence against Asian
Americans that has been taken taking place, and we want
to talk about the Stop Asian Hate conversation and initiative

(15:27):
and make sure that we cover that on the podcast
as well, because of course, our audience is a predominantly
Latin X audience, and our community is not free of
anti Asian prejudice and anti Asian racism. So I think
that we are just as responsible, uh for ensuring that
we're doing our own educating and not contributing to this issue. Yes, absolutely, Malla,

(15:51):
thank you for saying that, because you know here at
look at that we've been saying this four years now.
The work starts at home and it really us take
like those uncomfortable conversations with your family where you say, like,
this is not like your racial comments, your hateful comments
are not just jokes, right, things are not just jokes anymore.
There's like implicit violence in that, and there's also real

(16:15):
life consequences. As we see there has been a exponential
rise in hate crimes against Asian Americans and the Asian community.
And we will be having a guest on our next
episode UM that will be speaking about the current climate
in the US and also the historical context as well.

(16:36):
And so we just want you to know that we
recognize and we will be bringing a guest UM that
can speak on that specifically. Absolutely, And if you all
have guests that you would love to see us in
conversation with, you know, we always invite suggestions, recommendations, and
if there's a speaker, someone that you think would really

(17:00):
contribute to the conversation and that our community and listenership
maybe needs to hear from drop us a d M
emails ala at look at the Radio dot com. Yeah. Also,
one of um let folks know that Gabriela Los Angeles,
a organization in a PI organization and coalition, will be
doing an Instagram take over this week this week of

(17:22):
April five, and so there will be a flyer and
you can learn more about what this organization is doing
in l A and I believe California as well. Just
it's a nation statewide organization, so keep your eye out
for that and um so you can learn more as well.
Onto some global pop culture news, Selena the Series Part

(17:45):
two is set to air soon. It's going to drop soon.
If you have been listening to the podcast, you're following
us on social media, you will know that I had
a very strong reaction to Part one of Selena the
Series and all of their promotional materials. So we want
to just acknowledge that Part two is coming out. We
have seen the trailer. What do you think so far?

(18:07):
What do you think about the new trailer and what
are your expectations for part two? Okay, so I have
low expectations. I'll be honest, I have low expectations. However,
I want to reiterate that I want it to be good,
like I don't want it to fail. I don't want
it to be bad. I don't want a poor representation

(18:28):
of Selena. I don't want any of those things right.
And so I hope that it's good. I hope that
it's centered on Selena. I understand wanting to highlight more
of the band. I get that. I hope that it's
the band in relation to Selena and we get to
see her relationships with each member in different ways. Um. So, yeah,

(18:50):
I hope that it's good, but I have low expectations. Yeah,
I um to reiterate my gripes from season one, you know,
if less we forget. I thought that it was truly
tragic the way that Selena, the title character, had almost
no screen time and very few lines of a very

(19:11):
very shallow storyline I felt was written for Selena as
a character. And when it comes to season two, I've
seen the trailer. It's the Houston Astrodome. I think that
they're doing a better job at editing the dancing. Um,
the dancing looks a little bit better, you know, but

(19:31):
I think a lot of it is editing. I don't
want to be an overly harsh critic, but I will
say that the season, the Part two trailer centers the
Houston Astrodome concert, the show where she's in her glitterally
glittery purple jumpsuit, you know the one. So this is
like iconic, iconic, this scene, the jumpsuit, the Astrodome, the

(19:55):
disco medley, the whole thing. I also want to say,
I really hope that they don't write out Don Shelton
out of Part two. I actually have to go back
and watch the trailer again because I don't think that
she has backup dancers on the stage with her. I
think it's the band, it's the musicians, but I don't

(20:16):
see backup dancers on the stage. And I just want
to say that Don Shelton, for those maybe who are
not familiar with the name, he was Selena's one of
Selena's backup dancers who I feel when you watch Selena's
most iconic concert footage and her dance sequences that when
she's dancing with Don Shelton, they have the the most
amazing dance chemistry and on stage chemistry. Don Shelton has

(20:40):
passed away. He's been um passed for a few years now,
but he was her one of her only black backup
dancers who consistently like in her shows and in the
Houston Astrodome show specifically, right, And I think it's really
important that he'd be it because I'm in as far

(21:00):
as like the production, the show, the iconic imagery, our footage,
like he's there, He's part of her story in a
lot of their interviews, like where they included the dancers
in the band, you know, Selena and Don had like
a really fun back and forth and red parte and
like just really great like on screen chemistry and everything.

(21:20):
So I also want to say that, like I expect
Don Shelton and I don't see him, I will be upset.
Now it's important, I agree, um because he was an
important member of the team as well. And so yeah,
I agree. We cannot erase someone from her team, one
of the only black members that we know of that
was on her team, right, And so I'm hoping for

(21:43):
the best. And that being said, we are actually going
to be in conversation with but it is. We had
an episode with her last year when we discussed Selena
the series, and we are going to be in conversation
with her virtually. You see, Santa Barbara is hosting it
my alma mater and it's going to be at four
pm Pacific CENTERD time. I will put the link in

(22:04):
the show notes so y'all can register. It's free. We're
going to be in conversation. We're going to talk about
her book Selenida, and also how we collectively remember Selena Selena.
So register, it's free. It's gonna be good. This is amazing.
If you haven't listened to that episode, go back and listen. Yeah,

(22:25):
and if you want even more podcasting about Selena Kinthenia,
I recommend you tune into Anything for Selena, the podcast
from NPR by Maria Garcia, USA, and I actually interviewed
with Maria, and you can hear us chat a little
bit about Selena and our relationship with her, our thoughts

(22:46):
about the show. Go ahead and tune in. It's an amazing,
amazing podcast, so you can get all kinds of in
depth Selena history to like really fill in the context
for you. Oh and also our episode is in Spanish,
so hedge over and listen to that one. We talk
about specifically Selena and the body right, the body politics, culture,

(23:10):
UM and it's all in Spanish. We did our best,
y'all don't come for us, So we tried, we tried. Um. Yeah,
and so that is all in terms of updates, and
we want to move on to a listener favor. One
of our favorite segments called Weird Things White Women Did?
Can you introduce this to us? Mala, yes, one of

(23:31):
our favorite segments. We don't always include it because we
need a triggering event. Something needs to happen, a white
lady needs to do something weird and then we have
a segment. So this week on Weird Things White Women did,
we have a couple. We have a couple of examples.
We want to start with Dr Jill Biden. Poor things

(23:53):
she tried, She tried. It was the cea sampled away
heard round world on Caesar chop As Day. Obviously, tell
us more about Dr Jill Bilsa. You know, Dr Joe
Biden seems like a very lovely, well meaning white woman.

(24:14):
I will say that because they exist, you know those
like very just nice, poly well meaning white women, and
then they do something dumb and they try to speak
in Spanish to you. You know the ones they're out there.
You probably have encountered them. Lots of times, right, And
there's just something always cringe e about them trying to

(24:35):
speak Spanish to you. And also it's a microaggression it is,
and maybe like a macro aggression depending on what happens
right right, um, And so she was trying to see
say see sip boy. Then she'll say it with me,
say what way the future is a thank you? And

(24:57):
I feel kind of bad because look, give me a language.
I can really only pronounce things in English, and you know,
I could do a pretty good job in Spanish. Like
I'm still the ila, Like it's not perfect, but I
think that there is, Like I don't know, we gotta
like if I can't say this word folks, Like I

(25:19):
can't say it like I've tried, I've practiced it, it
might come up as offensive if I try. Is there
another way that I can honor this community and acknowledge
them without butchering their language? Well, I I think like
it just speaks larger to like politicians pandering to Latinos

(25:39):
by speaking Spanish. And we see that every election cycle, um,
where people start doing their whole speeches in Spanish and
it's mildly offensive, you know, Like I can't forgive like
a phrase, right, Jill, she said it wrong, she mispronounced it.
Someone on her teams did I preper correctly or maybe

(26:00):
maybe they did and she just sucked it up right.
I can forgive that, But like whole speeches in Spanish
when you're not a Spanish speaker, like I would rather
a paid translator, you know, like hire an actual translator
to translate your speech, you know, audibly. Um. I think
that that's fine. I think that's appropriate. But I think

(26:22):
like the pandering is like where it gets really cringe e.
It gets really cringe e. And you know, I mean
it's like this too. Um, we care about things other
than you know, and we don't have to do this
every time we talk about the Latino community. But not
everybody's being Spanish exactly, you know, And so they narrow

(26:46):
in on this like one detail that they're like, well
enough of them, the growing number of like us Latinos
probably speak more Spanguish than anything. It's like in evolving language.
We know that it's a living language, we speak it.
It has its own rules. You can't just like say,
decide which word is going to be said in Spanish

(27:07):
and what world is going to be said in English.
That's when we know your phony, you know, like, it
doesn't work that way. It has its own rules, um.
And also regionally like each like region of the states,
like has their own Spanish rules, like Spanguish in l A.
It's going to sound different than Spanglish in Miami or
Spanish in the on the East Coast in New York

(27:28):
or Boston, what have you? Right? So, yeah, recognized as always,
Latinet folks are not a monolith. We don't all speak Spanish.
Some of us do, some of us don't. Yeah, yeah,
so I don't know, Dr Jill. You tried, tried, girl,
she tried, she tried. We forgive her. We forgive her.

(27:49):
You know, message to politicians if you don't speak the language,
like don't I would just say, don't force it. Don't
force it. Like you also said, hire the translator, you know,
pay someone from the community to appropriately deliver the message. Yes,
I agree, yeah who And there's more. There are more

(28:12):
weird things that white women have done. And just to
be clear, you know, um, these are things that are
not just confined to this week or this moment. Most
of these are issues like that have history behind them. Right.
One of them, being as you all know, I have
been take I'm one of many people who have really
started practicing roller skating and such during the pandemic. I

(28:36):
started practicing my backwards skating and my tricks and my
this and my that. You know, I roller bladed and
I did some ice skating as a kid, and it's
something that's kind of always been with me because it's
so fun. Right, So, a few years ago I bought
my roller skates. I was really only skating indoors. I
would go to World on Wheels because that's my local
rink closest to my home. And it was in there

(29:00):
twenty when I noticed, right like all these women in
particular posting their roller skating videos and all the really
fun tricks they were doing, all the fun locations they
were skating at. I got really into skating at the beach,
especially the boardwalk in Santa Monica. And something I want
to talk about is what some folks refer to as
skate etiquette, right, and uh, the skate community, depending on

(29:24):
where you're at, but especially in Los Angeles, is very diverse.
But what I have learned over the course of like
my practice and getting more involved like in this in
this world is that skating, especially dance skating and jam
skating in l A is an art form that has

(29:45):
really been uh perfected by black skaters, by black skaters
who have been skating at the Venice Boardwalk for years,
who have been skating at different indoor rinks for years
for decades, and really in evading the skating that we
see super popularized now on Instagram. So something that I

(30:05):
have come to learn, you know, when I first started,
I was seeing like a lot of influencers and folks
posting like Anna Octo and a lot of skaters who
are like thin white women. And one of the moves
that especially other beginners skaters have probably seen and been
wanting to practice and emulate, I know I have, is
this one movement called the sexy walk, which is like

(30:27):
you're walking in place on your skates, one foot in
front of the other, or you're going backwards. And I
saw like a lot of influencers posting like, oh Anna
Octo has like the illest like sexy walk. It's like
the smoothest sexy walk, like she's so good. We'll come
to find right that that specific move was actually like
invented and made popular by a black woman skater named

(30:48):
Star who's from l A. So in my learning to skate,
it's like coming to realize that even those very specific
like moves that anybody is doing and learning, but you
probably invented that and in l A. In any case,
most of those skaters have been like o G Black skaters.
And it's been interesting because apparently some of the more

(31:12):
popular newer like white women skate influencers with like hundreds
of thousands of followers, some of them have been like
learning from the O G Black skaters, many of whom
like do not really charge for their lessons. It's very
much like this is the culture, this is the knowledge.

(31:33):
Like if you show up and you're respectful and you're
dedicated and you want to learn, like we will teach
you, you you can learn, right. But then a lot of
these thin white women skate influencers with who have gotten
like gigs and like do alipa music videos and commercials,
some of them have in a pretty short amount of
time learned these moves from O G Black skaters, then

(31:56):
flip the knowledge and started charging skate lessons. Some of
these women apparently for a hundred dollars a session, which
apparently is extremely unheard of. And then allegedly, uh, some
of these white women and not showing up for their sessions,
that they charged people a hundred dollars for not refunding people.
I haven't done like a forensic investigation, but I'm following,

(32:20):
just along, following along online the conversation. So if you're
a skater and you're out there, you know, of course
I'm super new. This is like my very shallow sort
of understanding of what's been going on. I recommend that
you follow accounts like um Farren, Lily Skates a lot Um,
just Stara, There's Sweet Hazel Roxy, Like there's all these

(32:44):
black women skaters both in l A and out of
skate who have been commenting and sharing and just kind
of giving some insight into the history and the appropriation
and what's been going on. So I say, like, if
you're gonna skate, and you're gonna show up at like
historically black skate locations, make sure you know your history,
that you're being respectful, that you're not taking knowledge that

(33:07):
took decades to develop and skate styles that you know,
o G. Black skaters have been innovating on and then
like taking credit and like charging people hundred dollars for it.
That's not cool, guys. That is some white nonsense, honestly,
Like the audacity to charge people something that you were
taught for free or on the low, that is wild.

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One thing is like you develop your craft, you taught yourself,
you trained, you studied, and you start your own like
small business or charging or whatever. Another thing is like
someone taught you for free and now you're going to
take their concept and like run with it as if
it's your own. That's not a good book. That's really bad.

(33:53):
That's very unethical. Actually, it's very unethical. And what I
also find interesting is like even when I was barely
starting and doing posting my little progress, there were followers
already deeming me and asking me if I would teach
skate lessons, which was weird because I'm like, do you

(34:14):
not see how bad I am? Like I'm literally posting
video evidence of how I'm learning and how I'm so
new and noviouce so something that definitely to me stood
out with this with uh, you know, the appropriation in
the skate community and the charging in the lessons is like,
if you have enough of a following and enough name

(34:36):
recognition and enough clout, folks are going to reach out
to you for the opportunity to like learn from you specifically,
like as a persona And so it's it's your responsibility then,
as an influencer or whatever, as someone who's a viillable
visible to not take people's money for things that you

(34:57):
can't deliver on. Like I it was funny to me,
but I can also see how this can happen. Right,
You have a little bit of a following. People like
you you're doing something, they want to learn from you
or do the thing with you. Right, So I'm getting
d M from people asking me if I'll teach them
skate lessons. And I don't teach skate lessons. I'm new,

(35:17):
I'm I'm learning, Like I can't teach you this, you know.
So I think that that's part of the conversation too,
is like could you not refer them to somebody that
you learned from, Like, actually you should go learn from
this person. Yeah. Also, like what the funk? Like why
is I mean, I know why capitalism, right, but there's
just so much pressure to monetize your fucking hobby. Just skate,

(35:41):
you know what I mean? Like have fun have your
little skate crew, Like we really have to monetize, Like
we're in a moment now, we're in a time period
where we really are monetizing everything, you know, everything, and
like one thing is your hustle and another thing is
like I'm going to steal from people and call it
my own. Yeah, uh, you know. I mean, it took

(36:01):
us a long time to even feel comfortable monetizing this podcast,
like really, like it has taken us so long to
feel like it's appropriate for us to earn money or
charge money or make money. We felt like we had
to put in a certain amount of time and work
and demonstrated whatever before we could put a dollar sign

(36:25):
on this. And so I think, as with all things,
it's like self awareness, give credit to people who taught you,
and like, you know, it takes a while to become
really good at something and to be in a position
to ethically charge people for your knowledge. So, I don't know,
weird things white women did this week. That's a little snapshot,

(36:45):
and we'd love to hear more. If you have insights,
if you have more information, if you have like I
don't know, uh gossip, cheeseman that you want to share
a different perspective. You're always welcome to email us or
d M S if there is a weird thing a
white woman did, you can also let us know about it.
We can look into it and maybe talk about it
on a future episode. Alright, y'all, we still have some

(37:08):
more things to cover, so we're gonna head into a
quick song break, and we will be right back or
Belly and and and and and and and and and
and and and and and and and and and and

(37:30):
and and and and and and and and and and
and um um um um um um um um um

(37:50):
um um um um um um um of it and
bill ship mum. All right, and now to get into
the very tender, very juicy, very flavorful garner of today's episode,
And we want to talk about Satan having a moment

(38:13):
um the devil being one of our favorite pop culture icons,
and the most recent sort of controversy surrounding this topic
has to do with Little Nas and his new music
video for Montero call Me by Your Name, which I
think has a lot of artistic parallels to our look

(38:35):
at that our Radio season five visuals. We will tap
into that in a little bit, but basically, Little Nas,
who we love, who's extremely talented and makes incredible music,
came out with some really exciting, really cool visuals in
a music video for call Me by Your Name, and
there's been a lot of interesting outcry and responses to it. Really,

(39:10):
as always, the conservatives are mad. And I feel like
a real heathen or just like a regular person because
I watched the music video and I was like, I
don't get it. What's the problem, you know, like this
is just some real recovering Catholic ship because I'm just like,
I don't get it with the problem. I don't think
that the video is scandalous, you know, like in the

(39:30):
music video, he like goes to hell literally, because that's
what we tell queer Well, that's what society tells queer
people or folks of the lgbt Q identity, right, that
they will be going to Hell um if they partake
in a quot particular lifestyle, right, if they choose to
live their life in a certain way, um, disobeying God

(39:52):
right um. And there's you know, you know how the
conservative Christians are, how the Catholics are, how they're very religious,
Bible touching people are. And so he does exactly that.
He goes to Hell and he gives it a left dance.
I don't see what the problem is. You say, we're
going to hell anyway, and then we do and oh
my god, right like the following directions or not, Like

(40:17):
what's the issue? And Little Nas literally does like a
pole dance, like slides down a gigantic pole from heaven
down to Hell. I think it's brilliant imagery. I think
it's so funny and creative and like really interesting, you know. Um.
I love the inclusion of the poll and that Little

(40:38):
Nas learned how to do some pole dancing for the video.
Pole Dancing has also really become very much like a
pop culture phenomenon. I mean, going from like the strip
club to now pole dancing and people taking the techniques
and learning them. And you can see pole dancing all
of our Instagram. People have polls in their houses. It's
very interesting, and so to see Little Naz incorporate that

(41:00):
as well into the video was cool. I do believe
that a lot of the outcry is so bizarre and
hypocritical too, because it's like depending on who you talk to,
you know, we talk about being recovering Catholic, but depending
on the type of Christian you're talking to. There are
plenty of people that believe truly that Catholics are held

(41:20):
out like as a group. Right, It's true, It's so true. Um. Yeah,
I also want to circle back and say, like what
you were what you were saying about, like, um, pole
dancing becoming the pop culture, Like yeah, definitely, I think
sex worker aesthetics or sex worker culture have become like
an aesthetic in pop culture, and so I want to

(41:44):
like just recognize that because it has become more popularized, right,
and we do see it more and I think I
I think that Little Nas posted like about Fka Twigs
because she like had a music video and she like
worked with sex workers, and um, I want to say,
the proceeds of the music video or something was like

(42:05):
directly connected to like a sex work org. Um, don't
quote me, but there's definitely a connection there. And so yeah,
I definitely want to recognize it and recognize that, right
that a lot of like the popular visuals and aesthetics
that we like are rooted in like sex work. Yeah, absolutely,
and that of black sex workers, right. And I think

(42:29):
that there's been more and more conversation about that online
in recent years and I remember when f K A
Twig started like posting her like poll sessions and her
her techniques and her moves, and she started incorporating poll
into her music videos and such, and I feel like
it was she was ahead of the curb, like she

(42:50):
was before I that was before I started seeing it
like all over Instagram, Like I remember distinctly seeing f
K A Twigs doing it. There's also an account that
I used to follow, and I think that she's still posts.
But pole Assassin is this other like amazing. Well, she's
a she's a pole dancer and she dances in strip clubs, right,
so she's a stripper and she does I've never been

(43:11):
to one of these clubs, but I'm dying to go
one of those strip clubs where they have just the
impossibly tall pole that's just like miles and miles and
miles of pole, like the huge like cathedral ceilings. So
this girl pole assass and this woman does crazy tricks
on those super super tall poles. So you know, there
were definitely women like um killing it and posting online

(43:34):
for years, but I think it's been like in the
past five that it's really become like, Okay, skinny white
ladies do it now, right, you know it's the mainstream,
it's mainstream. But yeah, so so there's that layer of
the conversation. We also want to circle back to this
idea as um, this idea of Satan being a pop

(43:56):
culture icon, because truly, truly we have grown up on
Satanic content, and we're gonna talk about our favorite Satanic
content today. I mean honestly, like in the like the
o g like in cartoon animation at least is like
him from the Powerpuff Girls, right, Like that's iconic, um,

(44:18):
and definitely like something I love to see, like on
my own social media. I love when anything Powerpuff Girls
or like Him related is invoked. I love it. Um,
We've been we grew up on Satan the Devil as
a pop culture icon, not only like as a biblical
icon literally learning reading scripture like I've been to Catholic

(44:41):
school K through twelve, so like I know all about
the Devil. I know so much, um, And you know,
and then also like seeing it as literal pop culture.
There are so many like there's so many like Gothy Faves,
Satan faith faith moments. What are some others? Mala, Yeah,

(45:04):
there are so many and kind of like including under
the umbrella of like satanic content. I think that most Catholics,
most Christians, would agree that anything involving like witchcraft, the occult, vampires, demons,
like strange monsters, these are all considered satanic devilish things, right,

(45:26):
so I would include absolutely, like our favorite maccab families,
the Adams family, the monsters. They were dabbling in in
the dark arts of course, but doing it it was
so cute and fun. We love them, We love the
Adams family. We do yes. Also the craft a faith,
a cult, a literally a cult, classic focus focus. There's

(45:50):
a literal show called Lucifer, And so we like say
this because like, okay, what kind of hypocrisy like this
like faulk conservative outcry when when there so many other
things to focus on, because these aren't like just regular
regular people. These are like elected officials right that are

(46:10):
tweeting a little maas like I'm sorry, can you deal
with your constituents? Like and stop tweeting at this musician
like yeah, could you deal with the devils amongst you
in your ranks, the devils you work with like this
Matt Gates guy who's been like sex trafficking miners, like

(46:30):
there are devils out there that we can deal with,
true truly true devils, Like true devils out there, there's
like true evil that y'all need to deal with and
y'all need to put in check, like you know, And
that's why we say it's like it's false, like it's
a faux it's phony, it's a faux outcry pearl clutching,

(46:52):
like it's not real, and it's not based on anything
like actual, it's not based on anything real, you know,
Like it's just you see a black person, you see
a black queer person living are their authentic life, creating beautiful,
gorgeous art, and that's the threat, not that Satan is involved,

(47:13):
you know. Yeah. And it's funny how every so often
there's a piece of art or media there's a pop
culture moment that is allegedly like the be sign that
humanity is over and like the final straw that's going
to break civilizations back, because last year it was whop
and now it's now it's called me by your name

(47:37):
exactly exactly, and it's like, you're so dramatic. We could
point to something like failed responses to the pandemic that
could be the thing that destroys us. But it's not
going to be an individual song or music video. Correct,
Let's get it together. Like what about the children, Well,
there's you know, what about the children that are literally

(48:01):
in detention centers? Right? What about the children that are
you know, getting taken from their families because they can't
afford lunch, you know, because they have a balance on
their their school lunch. Like are you kidding? Like there's
real children to worry about, not some figurative child that
is going to be influenced by a fucking music video.

(48:22):
Godam Like, what about the children? What about them? I
was raised watching Predator, the Predator movies. Okay, what about me?
I'm sorry you can also like, hello, k through twelve
read the Bible? Look at me now, Like it doesn't
you know what I mean? Like sure, right, this is

(48:43):
a product of many years Hello, yes, where we find ourselves? Yeah.
I would argue that immense like exposure to Catholicism in
the church actually like really lends itself to to being
goffy and in tristed in the occult. Later in life
I think about like how gruesome it is sometimes. I Mean,

(49:07):
I'm like, this is some hardcore ship, y'all, like the
body and blood and the crucifix and the stations of
the Cross. We used to do everything as children, and
it's us literally reenacting and execution. Yeah, it's so true.
It's so true. I'm like, what is the Catholic to
heathen pipeline? What is the Catholic to goth pipeline? Like,

(49:31):
what is the Catholic too batty pipeline? Like I want
to know the Catholic to Heathen batty pipeline. I want
to know because I think that there's a connection to
be made. It's true, we're collecting evidence as we speak.
This is for data collection. We want to know how
many of you followed the Catholic to Heathen batty pipeline.

(49:53):
Tell us. It's funny too, because I've known of like
Latinos in particular, that like when they were growing up,
their parents did not allow them to read the Harry
Potter books or like the Twilight books or watch any
of the movies because right, you know, I was my father,
but we would do it anyway, you know, of course.
But what I was thinking is also like how pagan

(50:16):
um we're going to drink the blood of Christ and
eat the Body of Christ, Like I'm sorry what I
think about it all the time. You know, there's a
lot of paganism rooted in Catholicism and we know that
right like that this is this is a fact. This
isn't like me making anything up. This is factual. Um.
And like I always like to say before I offend

(50:37):
anybody that's a practicing Catholic, like I feel like if
not us, people that two women that went to Catholic
school were raised Catholics have devout Catholic families, Like if
not us, then who can talk about Catholicism, you know,
like we have the lived experience. We really do. I've

(50:58):
completed all my sack fromants besides marriage, death and Holy orders.
Like I think I know what I'm talking about and
speaking of and speaking of the weird, we could go
there's so much weird ship Like when I when I
stopped going to Catholic school and I entered the world,
I realized, like, you know, people think we're weird. People

(51:21):
are like Catholics are like a weird little cult because
we are because it is, because it is it's very cult. Like, Um,
I think that there's a lot of religions right that
like organized religions that have cult like tendencies, right, cult
like proclivities. I just want to end on this thought.

(51:41):
Why our second graders forced to confess their sins? What
are the second What have the second graders done indoctrination
like her first, you know, first reconciliation. I remember thinking back,
like what sins? Can I tell this? Yeah? I remember

(52:02):
having to like like think like okay, um, what did
I do that was bad? You know what I mean?
Like having to like really like dig like okay, what
do I confess? Like? What is the venal sin? What
is a mortal sin? What will be my penance? Like? Right?
You know, right? Like having to think about that in
prep because anxiety. Even as a child, I was like, Okay,

(52:22):
what am I going to tell the priest? I need
to prep I need to have my little bit ready,
right because what the fuck? Um to clean my soul
of the blotches of sin that I've left on my
eternal soul? Lord Lord say ten our fathers and four
hail Mary's damn. Also, I'm going to complete my sacraments

(52:50):
because when I got so, I technically got confirmed. I
had the ceremony. When I don't I wasn't like officially confirmed.
So if I went to like my my local church, um,
they would be like, no, you'd probably have to redo
it because I didn't go to the retreat, because when
you get confirmed, there's a retreat, and I didn't go

(53:11):
to the retreat because I went to l a pride in.
I have no regrets. That's what I did instead, because
while I was getting confirmed, it was what I was
like questioning my sexuality, and so I was like, I'm
not doing this. This isn't happening. So I did it
as you shouldn't. Thank you made the right choice. No regrets.

(53:34):
I made the right choice, No regrets. You definitely made
the right choice. I'm just gonna say this, getting confirmed,
I don't get any discounts anywhere. There's no fast pass
to the front of the line. I think you don't
get a fast pass to the Eucharis line. Noah, Noah,
and not to Heaven either, apparently. So so that's that, y'all.

(53:58):
Satan's having a pop culture moment. Shout out Satan. Satan
the baddest bitch I mean. And you can see, you know,
the influence in our season five visuals, you know clearly, Yeah,

(54:19):
we had Angel devil action. You know, we play off
of good Angel, Bad Angel, sort of that dynamic with
our names Mala and Yosa, and we run with it.
And in our season five visuals you see the USA
serving angelic ethereal heavenly, I'm bringing flames of hell fire,
you know, devilish and and uh so when we saw

(54:42):
the little NAS video we felt spoken to. Yes, we
felt like, you know what, we are ahead of the
curve as always per huge. So yes, friends, that UM
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