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November 13, 2024 45 mins

In this season finale, Mala and Diosa sit down with astrologer Esoteric Esa to explore astrology, angel numbers, and the spiritual journey of birthing a Scorpio baby podcast. 

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Lokata Radio is a radiophonic novela.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Which is just a very extra way of saying a podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
I'm fiosa fem and.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
I am ma la munos. We're podcasting through another Trump
election year. We've been podcasting through election years, a global pandemic,
civic unrest, political controversies, the Me Too movement, the rise
of TikTok, and we are still here. We're not done
telling stories.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
We're still making podcasts. We're older, we're wiser, We're even
podcasting through a new decade of our lives.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Since twenty sixteen, we've been making Loca thro Our Radio
independently until we joined iHeartMedia's Michael Dura Network in twenty
twenty two.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
From our lips to your ears, fall in love with
Loka to a radio like you never have before.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Welcome to Season nine, Love at First Listen.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
O la la Loka modes. Welcome to the final capitulo
of season nine of Loka Dora Radio. I'm viosa and
I'm mala. Loka Dora Radio is a podcast dedicated to
archiving our present and shifting the culture forward. You're tuning
in to Capitolo do Cientosos two twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Last time on Loca Dora Radio, we interviewed Selena s titties.
Go back listen to that episode. It was such a
fun interview. Selena talked to us about the life cycle
of a drag queen, what it was like competing on
RuPaul's Drag Race, life after Drag Race, and her upcoming
show at the Passage in the Playhouse.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
So I created a drag night called because my family
loves Lotia, so we always play Lotria and bitch I
love it loth I can never find thet man. So
I was like, let me, let me create a night where,
like I have the club make lot and we play Lotia.
And I created a night called Altria, and I changed
the drawings on the boards to be more gay and

(01:59):
drag queen and like, so I was combining my Latin
culture with my gay culture and my dragquenness, and like,
I created this night called the Loria, and it's like
a celebration night.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
It's a fabulous interview, Leave us a review, share with
a friend. It's so fun.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
It's such a good way to wrap the season. And
every time I see Selena's name, I want to say
it in Spanish, like I want to say Selena stitsps,
but I know it's s titties, but I just I can't.
My brain is won't let me.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
And I feel like she probably wants that. She like
her name is set up in such a way that
everybody can pronounce it and it's going to be authentic
no matter what. There we go, Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Well, today is the final episode of season nine.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
I can't believe it once again in disbelief.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
And this episode drops on November thirteenth, and it's just
I again, like you said, and disbelieve another season, another
season that we're wrapping, another thirty episode season, our third
season that's thirty episodes long. With Iheartradios Makutura Podcast Network.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
All these numbers have like really inspired us to do
a little something that we don't usually do on the podcast,
and that's talk about angel numbers, which is coming later
in this episode, because we could not ignore all of
like the signs right around this episode.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
This is so true because it's the ninth season dropping
on November thirteenth. Thirteen is a powerful number, and it's
also two two two, which is an angel number, which
we as individuals don't necessarily follow angel numbers, but we
know that angel numbers are significant to people and that

(03:45):
two to two is like a recurring number, a recurring message,
if you will.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, we're in the City of Angels and you are
an angel in my life, so we must discuss angel numbers.
It's all there in front of us. We're gonna have
a guest joining us as a Turk as a to
break it all down for us again later in the episode.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, and just you know, before we bring on our guest,
we want to just go down memory lane and just
recap a little bit on the history of Loka Tora.
We formally officially launched November nineteenth of twenty sixteen, and
our first episode launched on SoundCloud.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Wow, we were SoundCloud podcasters.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
We were. That was like where the indie pods started.
I feel because remember how hard it was back then
to get on Apple podcast Like it was a little complicated.
Now I feel like it's so much easier. There's been
some development. There's also Spotify Podcasts. Of course iHeartRadio as
a podcast network as well, but we didn't know any

(04:48):
of that. Like we started on SoundCloud.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
The game has changed, and specifically Apple podcasts somebody over
there was really out to get us because.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Don't bring the story back.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
We don't want the curse that again. No, it's so
we've overcome. They can never they can't get us anymore
if they can't touch us. But back then, we had
trouble getting the feed up and the US I was
like back and forth, like battling with this this representative
over at Apple podcasts.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Well, no, what happened is that we got the feed
up and then they took it down from Apple podcast
and our tagline. It turned out it was our tagline
Mommies of myth and Bullshit at the time, because you
look at the shows now and it's like, there's no
way that we would get taken down now. Now, I
don't think who knows. Maybe there was a personal vendetta

(05:35):
grudge against us, But at the time we were flagged
because of the mommies and myth and bullshit in our tagline.
It was in our bio, it was in our episode descriptions.
Because we were starting to brand ourselves and brand the show,
and we had all these different taglines, and so I
remember pulling up examples from non Latino shows that had

(05:57):
like quote bad words or curse words, and I sent
them as an ample and was like, well, why is
this okay? And this one's not? What's the deal? What's
the subtext here? Because I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
I seem to recall, we were like, there's a show
called Come Town, Yes, so what's the problem, So.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Like, bullshit can't be in a description. It made no
sense at the time. It still makes no sense to me,
but we were able to get the show back up,
but it was a brand new feed, so any like
podcast reviews, any ratings we had like those all got
lost And thankfully it was like kind of early definitely

(06:34):
still season one. It was not that late in the game,
I don't think, but that was something that we dealt
with early on.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, and I also remember very specifically that this person
at Apple Podcasts was like, oh, and the description shouldn't
be anything that's okay for a small child to read.
And you were like, why would a small child be
listening to a podcast? Like whose standard is that? Yeah, yeah,

(07:06):
there was somebody over there and you know who you
are if you're listening. Still hate listening to this day.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Oh yeah, those were the times, the indie times, so
much growth, so much learning, don't go anywhere.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Look on moves. We'll be right back, and we're back
with more of our episode.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
What's Up beyond estech s a a ka or Esltech.

Speaker 5 (07:40):
Congra Jasmine, And I'm a numerologist astrologer. I have a
numerology column at Comopolitan, So I'm your plug, I'm your
source for all things numbers. Amazing.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Well, that is also one of the reasons we invited
you on today. We had you earlier on this season
and that was such a great episode. And when we
were thinking about wrapping this season, we started seeing the
numbers everywhere and we thought, let's do something different and
actually talk about the numbers of lok Atota Radio. It's

(08:14):
our ninth season that we're rapping, and when we were
looking at our launch date, we actually launched on November thirteenth,
so obviously there's another number for you. And we're rapping
with our two to two episode, and so we just
want to talk all things numbers. And we also realized

(08:35):
or were reminded that lok Atota is also a scorpio,
So just feel like there's a lot to work with here.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
I was just about to say, of course, y'all would
birth a scorpio baby, right, sexy, daring, controversial, but equally inspiring. Java,
do we too like anything less? And then thirteen, which
is the divine feminine number.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
And right when we.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
Look when I think of Malamosa, I think of, you know,
embodying femininity in such a very dark feminine way.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
You know, I want to say dark feminine.

Speaker 5 (09:07):
It's just very unconventional, like being really true to like
what makes us edgy. I want women to own more
of their edginess, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Oh, yes, totally agreed, And I think that's like part
of the personas right. The Mala and diosa a different levels,
different different varieties.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yes, it's a good angel, bad angel, dynamic.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
Absolutely, didn't y'alls do like a creative shoot once? Yes,
you were a good angel batting. Yeah, we played with
that the devil, Yes.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Diabla and like an angel. Yes, that was and I
think that is that can be the podcast. You know,
we've interviewed some controversial figures in our community on the show.
We've talked about difficult topics, and we've also had fun
with it. And so today we want to we want
to keep having fun with it and talk about the numerology.

(09:57):
I mean, I love the fact that we have an
angel number as this episode number two two two. What
does it mean?

Speaker 5 (10:04):
And tell me how this spsonates as you reflect back
up to date on the how you curated this season.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
So angew number two two two.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
Y'all works with obviously twos, but it adds up to
two four sixs. You're working with essentially two numbers, the
number two and the number six. Twos are the energy
of intuition. It's two and six actually both here we
go again feminine numbers. So in enumalogy we have masculine
feminine numbers because masculine and feminine is an element. It's

(10:34):
not it's not necessarily a gender norm. It's just a
classification of element. So two two two is about working
with your intuition the high priestess energy. And when we
think of the hyph priestess, it's someone who is deeply
tap into again the depth of her darkness and who
knows the significance of the depth of her darkness and
how to wield it to her power right, how to

(10:55):
create and manifest from a place of anger, but sitting
within to allow on anger to create good and productivity
and in inspiration. So two to two is an energy
of collaboration and partnerships. Would you say that this season,
up to date, you've collaborated more than from the very beginning.
Do you have more partnerships up to date to this point,

(11:18):
have you noticed more of a feminine intuitive approach to
your content creation as well?

Speaker 1 (11:24):
I would say yes. I would say this was our
most collaborative season because we brought in Stephanie as our producer.
Stephanie was originally or the last two seasons or audio editor,
and so to have that collaborative person, a third person
there we go with the number three come in and
give us, you know, creative ideas and feedback and really

(11:46):
be able to push us along on the days that
we needed it, the weeks that we needed it where
it's like we really want to get this done, but
we don't have capacity to outreach to this person. Can
you handle it? And she would handle it.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Three is the.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
Energy of an estheticism, just really quickly. It's the energy
of the trinity, It's the triangle, and it's.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
The most powerful occult symbol. That's how you see you know,
jay Z and folks doing Rockafella.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
Because it's the most powerful symbol of manifestation.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
It's it's the trinity, and.

Speaker 5 (12:18):
It's also the energy of the Empress, the divine Empress.
So we'll get you bringing in that third party and
the three of you, right, creating these temppoles, right of
energy centers, right to bring forces together and to create
something really beautiful and profound within the three of you.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah. Yeah, And I think there's just so many in
art and in life, like the number three. It's such
like a strong structure, right, like triptys and a triad
and et cetera, et cetera. Like you said, the triangle,
there's just something about that structure that is just steady
mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
Absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
And I think in terms of of guests, you know,
I think there was like a lot of intention this
year with the types of guests that we had who
we wanted to have on. I think the follow through,
you know, I think was really great this year. So yeah,
I think it was a collaborative year in every sense
of the word.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
We also we birthed a new show also we did
with Senora Sex said, which has been very collaborative with
the network, right, a lot of which we've never experienced
before because in creating Locato Radio, historically we decide what
we want to talk about, we record the episode, we
put it out and with Senora Sex said, there was

(13:38):
a lot of like brainstorming and back and forth, and yes,
like creative collaboration with with the team at Michael Duddah,
which has been very different but very great as well.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
And let's still bring in that scorpionic energy and Sex said.
Scorpio rules the taboo, It rules.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
Sex, sit rules all of the subjects that we don't
really necessarily talk about.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
In society, especially in Latin LATINX culture.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
And you know, I love the title, right, it's it's Senora,
I said, I got lie, that's so.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
Scorpio fits the bill.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
But I just wanted to touch on really quickly this
year in terms of collaborations. I really love seeing y'all
bring on Odelia from my clo org. It was so
first of all, I love that you created space for
her to come onto your platform to talk about something

(14:33):
so important, which is indigenous lives.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
Especially Indigenous women indigenous communities.

Speaker 5 (14:38):
But to see the two vimala and step into this
very empowered, like you know, what we're creative is, but
we also have a voice, and we stand for something
and not be afraid to speak on political subjects that
are really important for us right now in this very
crucial shift right of the timeline, I was just honestly

(14:59):
so proud of you. I was like just thrilled. My
blood got really pumped in a great way, because we
need to see these.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
Type of collaborations more So. I want to personally.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
Thank you both for bringing Odelia on and my salo
org because she's a fucking badass, right and then you
both are bad asses, and so the three of you
together was my favorite episode for sure.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Amazing.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Thank you. She is a force, She's a force, and
we remain in touch and we hope to do more
with her, do more with her in the future. Absolutely,
what else? What else did we want to?

Speaker 5 (15:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:37):
I mean the number? Did we talk about the number nine?

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Land?

Speaker 4 (15:41):
The number nine?

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Season season season nine and we're nine season nine, I
mean in exiting season nine also means we're entering season ten,
you know? And yeah, what do those numbers mean for us?

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Well?

Speaker 5 (15:56):
First of all, congratulations, how many people can say they
make it to season nine and successfully with an audience?

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Thank you truly the tell.

Speaker 5 (16:05):
A podcast, and I always have everybody launched the podcast.
Who cares if you don't have one listener, it's your mother.
But you know, so in numerology we go from zero
to nine. We don't go from one to ten. Interesting, right,
because zero is the number of it's the number of
the universe. It's the godlike essence, it's it's actually the
most powerful vibration.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Zero.

Speaker 5 (16:26):
People think it's nothing, but it's it's the cycling back
of the infinity, the infinity symbol. So nine is when
you get to the very end of the numerical chapter.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
So nine is actually a number of reflection, introspection.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
So now that you're in your ninth season, do you
feel like it's sort of a culmination season and reflecting
back and like, wow, we're not the same maladiosa when
we first launched, and look at our growth, right, look
at our power?

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Tell me about that?

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Oh absolutely, we were just discussing that.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, everything from what we talk about on the show
to the decades that we were in in our lives.
We were in our early twenties when we started and
now we're in our early thirties, and as Bosa has
pointed out, and we're talking about on this episode even
the way our voices sound. We had like baby voices
when we first started, and you know, now we're in
our a grown woman voices and so it's all it's

(17:21):
all different now now.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
We're in our sex operator voices exactly.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
Yeah, So nine is actually it's a number about self.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
So do you feel like, sure we're duo, right, obviously
we come together, we're a pair, we're strong, we're.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
Really great with synergy.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
But do you feel like now more so on this
season it was like you can reflect on specific episodes
and kind of pinpoint this episode really has Diosa's influence
or oh, this this episode kind of has Mala's influence, right,
because nine is a number of self, right, and so
it's like where are hobbies or where our intentions are?

Speaker 4 (18:02):
We want to highlight and amplify that.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
So do you kind of see that in a sense too,
where maybe someone add more flavored to an episode or
how does that feel?

Speaker 2 (18:11):
I think that it happens episode by episode, Like the
USA is very much and Stephanie together, like in booking
our guests and getting our outlines together and our research
and I mean I can only speak for myself, but
I think I bring the energy. I think I bring
the energy and like some of the entertainment and some
of the laughs and the vibes like on the on

(18:34):
the audio itself, like when we're recording in studio, not
that the Yosa doesn't because she's hilarious and very fun.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
I bring no vibes, but.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
That's our I think that's our balance, you know what
I mean. Like I'll bring the energy and a little
riffing and some jokes, etcetera, etcetera. And I think that
it's kind of been how our episodes just tend to go.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, definitely, Mama is very much like she brings like
the talent and the joy, you know, and I bring
like the outline. I bring the outline and the order
and the structure, you know.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
I mean, I'm not surprised.

Speaker 5 (19:14):
You're an air sign, so that's what they do, because Mala,
you're a fire sign.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Right, I'm a Capricorn.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
You're a Capricorn. You have to have Leo placements.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
I'm you have to my understanding, I'm a double Capricorn cancer.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Do you know? Okay, now we're getting billion depth.

Speaker 5 (19:32):
Do you have anything in your fifth house of your
natal chart, like maybe your sun or your moon.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
I don't know, that's the house of Leo. I'm We're
gonna have to look at your chart.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, I'm a January January fifth, nineteen ninety two. We'll
edit that off.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
We'll be giving people.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
That I want too much info.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
Yeah, So I want to go back to actually, just
really quickly, the ninth. So nine is the most spiritual number.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
And when I think of spirituality, it's not necessarily like, oh,
you got to be this person who meditates all the
time and who works at sound bowls.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
Spirituality to me.

Speaker 5 (20:10):
Is defined by your connection to your authentic self and
the essence of your soul. And when I look at
because I've been following y'all for damn near I think
maybe four or five years at this point, and when I.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Look at y'all.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
Today to see Mala really just embrace your self expression
and going into your comedic you know, talents, your comedic genius,
and then Dyosa really seeing you reclaim and embrace your
ancestral lineage. Right, And how like spirituality again is just

(20:47):
how we self express that really empowers us to be
our authentic self. So that's how I see y'all progressing
into like this nine spiritual energy.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
What do you think about that?

Speaker 1 (20:58):
I think that that tracks. Yeah, definitely, that feels, that resonates,
that feels right, It totally tracks.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
And I last year, THEOSA literally took me to Peru
with her and we climbed Machu Pichu for her birthday,
you know, case in point. And yeah, I've continued with
the stand up. I'm in film school right now. Theosa
went back to school as well and studied audio journalism
and I'm studying film and television production. So the podcast

(21:28):
has also allowed us to usher in that like new
era for ourselves individually. And it also I think cycles
back to the podcast, but developing those skill sets and
the show has made it possible.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
And nine actually talk about higher education.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
Nine is the energy of the ninth House, which is
learning something new. So it can literally be going back
for your masters or going for some sort of certification,
something to further your skill set. So I mean, like,
if the astrology and the numerology ain't astrology and numerology like.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Then what is?

Speaker 4 (22:08):
So thanks for sharing that tidbit. Look at how that
tired in real nicely?

Speaker 2 (22:12):
No, truly, it's like, yeah, it's it's all making sense.
Thank you for helping us make sense of all of it.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Always just look to the stars, baby, they'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Well.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Thank you so much for breaking that down for us,
and for bringing your expertise once again to look at
the radio and just being so gracious with your time.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
I appreciate you both, and I love that y'all are
keeping out for the angel numbers and those listening let
us know what angel numbers are coming up for you
at this time because those are always fun, always fun
to vibe with and cross reference.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
So thank you.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
And if listeners want to keep up with you and
your work and maybe get a reading for themselves or
their projects, where can they find you?

Speaker 4 (22:55):
Yes, you can find me on Instagram eso Eric Underscore Essa.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
You could book a session with me, and I do
love astrology sessions. So if you're curious about that that
crush in your life and you want to know is
it going to work or not, let's not waste your
time but the love reading with me.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
You can do that in my website Suluminati dot com.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
I love it. Cuffing season is upon us. It show
is And that was the time. Thank you so much
for joining us once again on look at that a radio.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Don't go anywhere, look amorees We'll be right back.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
And we're back with more of our episode. So that
was amazing. Jasmine really provided esoteric. Essa provided some insight
and information into our numerology as a podcast that I
had never considered and didn't know.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
And I think the way we've been talking about femi
identity since the inception of Loka Dora is that it
moves beyond like a gender binary, right, which is why
over the years we've had guests that are of all
the gender spectrum, or that's why we've had guests across
the gender spectrum, because like, fem identity doesn't just exist
in like cis women, right, And so I think that that,

(24:11):
like you said, has been at the core of Lokatra
is looking at gender sexuality as something expansive versus limiting,
and that there can be something freeing in seeing strength
in feminists and FEMI identity.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yes, and seeing femininity in many areas, you know, like
I said, in the technology of femininity, I think has
been really interesting for us and the numerology of femininity.
So yeah, I love that and then our listeners I
think also appreciate that element of the show, and I
think that they've come to expect that, you know, that's

(24:49):
absolutely we're indulging in the feminine.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah, I agree, I agree. I mean in nine seasons later,
I think we we keep delivering, We keep trying new things,
keep making the show, making the podcast multiple now, so
it's like we're doing it.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
We're really doing it. And speaking of listeners, we have
some amazing listeners, some listeners who have become part of
our lives season after season.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
And and there's some who we met them when they
were young and we were young, and now we're all like,
you know, living our best lives and in our careers.
I think of Jen from the Block. When we met
gen Torres, she was a student, she was an undergrad,
and we were doing a college talk at Pitzer. Yeah,
and now she's like hosting like shoe salons with Adidas

(25:42):
and Nike, and she's modeling and she's killing the game.
And she's not the only one. There have been others.
I think about Jackie Jackie Hernandez, who is a listener
who comes over the years, has come to basically all
of our all of our events, I think after she
first started listening, and she now has been hosting some

(26:03):
really cool like puff and politics, like cannabis themed talks,
which has been really amazing to see from her. And
there are others. I mean, Stephanie, I think you were
a listener before you started working with us, which has
been excellent, and now you're on the team and you're
an integral part of the show. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah. And there's also the listeners that we have never
had the pleasure of meeting in person, but that engage
with us, that comment, that message us and let us
know that an episode resonated with them, that email us
and just let us know that you're listening. And so
those like, we love them. We love receiving that type
of feedback. We love knowing that you're still listening, even

(26:46):
all these years later. I think it was this past
year or this maybe last season when there was that
young woman that was graduating from UC Berkeley and said
she had been listening to look, I thought our radio
since she was in the eighth grade. I can't even
and I did the math, and yeah, she was gonna
graduate from college. And yes, it makes sense actually, because

(27:06):
there's eight seasons at the time, I think it was
eight seasons and so we have raised the children, literally
we have and so I think those those are the
moments I think that I also really love and that
I never imagined the places the podcast would go. When
we started in twenty sixteen, it was an outlet for us,

(27:30):
a creative outlet, and I think just a way to
get things off our chest, literally because we were working
incredibly tough jobs. We were both at nonprofits, We were
seeing a lot of injustices. We were right at the
helm of like the me Too movement of the Trump election,
and so there were a lot of things we wanted
to say and our community wanted to say. And so

(27:54):
it started as a hobby, right, It started as let's
just do this podcast once a month and really realizing
what we were doing and what we were putting out there.
But I think our openness to growth has allowed us
to get here that we have been willing to change,
to adapt, to grow, and to work really fucking hard. Also,

(28:15):
you know, the show is amazing, but it has not
gone without its sleepless nights, mental breakdowns, cries, tears, sobs.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
And it's a business, you know, it's literally a business.
A small business, but a business nonetheless, And so of
course there's also there's always the financial stuff that we're
sort of constantly, you know, figuring out and working with
and trying to grow with the show. Oh yeah, and
make the show grow. So, like you said, it started

(28:46):
as a hobby and now we are co owners of
this production company and we have two weekly shows at
iHeart under the Michaudra podcast network, which is incredible. And
no mean feed.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
I was about to say, you took the words right
out of my mouth.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
No small feet, no, no small feed. I mean it's
not every day. And that's the dream, like in LA
in the industry, to have shows thought up and dreamed
up and then they get greenlit and then they get
funded and then they actually get put out.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, with like creative freedom. Might I add, like, look
at Tora. That was baked in our contract like it
was our baby, and so we were going to have
creative direction and creative freedom. We were going to have
creative direction and creative freedom no matter what. But to
also still have some creative freedom with Senora sex said,
it is also really exciting and really gratifying because it

(29:42):
is a sex show, a sex ed show, and you
know that is not everyone's cup of tea. But I
think the network saw the need and the gap and
we filled it.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yeah. And like our listeners have pointed out, Senora Sex said,
nobody else is doing it. Nobody else is doing it.
I mean these talks between latinas about your first period
and masturbation and cysts and your first time and all
kinds of things. I mean, it's really truly innovative. If
I do say so.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Myself, Milea's just tooting her own horn, our horn.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
I'm cheating. I'm cheating all of our horns.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yeah, and I think you know what I love about
that show not to venture off into Senora Sex said
too much, But what I love about the show is
that who is asking I've been thinking about this. Who
is asking the senora as, the women in their sixties
and their seventies what their sex life is like?

Speaker 2 (30:34):
No one.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
I don't think many people do because I don't think
it's considered sexy. I don't think it's considered like important,
and I don't think it's I was speaking to Lillian Rivera,
an author, a couple a couple of weeks ago, and
she said, we're like invisible once we turned fifty, and
I think, yeah, that's why the show I think is

(30:56):
so great and can be so relatable for women in
their fifties plus, women's in their forties plus, because nobody's
asking them those things anymore. Everyone wants to know, like
what's sexy to you when you're in your twenties and thirties, right,
but once you hit a certain age, like nobody cares anymore.
But there's still so many stories to share, and these
women have so much lived experience, and like they want

(31:18):
to tell their story.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah, and I feel like they've by then, they've probably
had a lot of sex. Yes, it takes time to
rack it all up. And so those are the ladies
that I want to talk to.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Literally, they've they've.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Done their reps. You know, they know what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
So in theme with the Nine Lives, you know obviously
like the Nine Lives it comes from. I mean that's
also very feminine too, is like the feline, right, and
this idea that cats have nine lives, they land on
their feet, they bounce back, there's nine iterations like there
is for look at THEA. Was there ever a time

(31:56):
where you like wanted to quit or you were like,
don't thin I'm gonna bounce back from this. Did you
ever have a moment in the past, like nine seasons
or like nine lives where you were like, okay, I like,
I'm not sure, was there ever any doubt?

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Uh? Not wanting to quit, but wondering, how is how
are we gonna make it over this hump? You know how?
Who's gonna throw us a lifeline? Who's gonna throw us
a booie? You know? And somehow there's something always pops

(32:33):
up for us, somebody always like I don't know, there's
there's a life raft and I've just been holding on
to Like I always go back to this comment that
La La Romero made back in the day when she said, like,
if this is where you guys are, you know, season three,

(32:55):
imagine where you'll be season six, and there's the money
will come basically is what she said. And she's been right,
and she's been right, and so I've I've been like
nervous and scared even and how's this gonna work? Are

(33:19):
we gonna be okay? But then we end up always
being okay, and I see that we have that bounce back,
we land on our feet. The show still stands and
the listeners are still there and that has been just
really comforting and inspiring and motivating, you know, And it's

(33:40):
the whole. If you build it, they will come. Yeah,
And so if we keep building, they will keep coming.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
I hope.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
So I sure, I hope. So how about you? Was
there ever a time you wanted to quit? I'm scared
to ask you that question, Jailie.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
I'm like, every day, every day I think about quitting this.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
No, not really.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
I love the creative outlet. I love the format, I
love what we do, I love our team, I love
our listeners.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
I love all of that.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Did I when I was a little girl, think that
I was going to grow up to run a business
and be an entrepreneur? No, And so I think that
those are the growing pains, And that's the part of
this that makes me quote want to quit, where there's
those moments where you're like, Okay, I got thrown into
running a business because we had to this project. This
beautiful baby forced us to become a business when we

(34:31):
were just like running off of Venmo and IOU's basically,
and then we were forced to formalize. And so there
are those moments where I'm like, Okay, you're chasing the money.
You're chasing gigs, You're trying to bring gigs. You want
a bigger budget, you want to pay people more, you

(34:52):
want to pay yourself more. You want health insurance, you
want school tuition. Like, there's so much that goes into
the daily business practice that I never saw my I
never saw that for myself. I never saw that for myself.
It's a part of the growing pain, so I embrace it.
It's a challenge. Sorry, it's a challenge. But I would

(35:15):
say those are the parts where I'm like, Okay, what
if I had a regular job, Yeah, totally, you know,
what if I had a steady paycheck? You know, But
I don't think there's any going back now, I really don't.
I have those moments where I'm like, I don't want
to go back to working for anyone else anymore. Like
I don't think I physically, emotionally, mentally can There's the

(35:39):
beauty in designing your own schedule, designing your own life,
and there's also chaos that comes with it. And I
think it's for me, it's been about embracing the season
of chaos and then embracing the season of ease. And
just not trying to force one or the other and
just letting it be what it needs to be and
knowing that we're going to make it. On the other side,

(36:00):
we're gonna be okay. And whenever things are tough, I
tell Mala, like, we've made it through worse, We've made
it through really tough things. We're gonna get We've done
more with a lot less, is what I remind myself
when things are really hard.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, it's a little of the that like grass is
greener on the other side stuff. And you know, we
had jobs.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, remember when I was dying to quit my jobs? Yes,
And now I'm over here romanticizing, like what if I
just clocked in and clocked out? Cause I think like
that's the part that no one tells you about running
your own business, especially when it's a creative business. You're
never off. You're never off. You can technically take time off,
but no one's clocking in for you. No one's covering

(36:46):
your shift because like, you still have work to do
and the work will be there when you get back. Yeah,
And so I think it's also about perspective, like, Okay,
if the work is always going to be there, well,
then I can take a day off. You know, am
I going to Is taking today off going to make
me miss my deadline?

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Okay, can't take it off. Is it going to be okay? Yes, okay,
I can take it off.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah. And it's also I think pushing ourselves to do
our professional development on our own, with our own like
motivating ourselves to develop professionally. It's not like a requirement
of a job and a boss somewhere else that's sending
us on a retreat or sending us to get certified,

(37:26):
or sending us to take a class. We've decided that
in order to strengthen the business and the show and
to grow it and expand it, that we in fact
need to go back and get the training and go
to school. And I think when we signed with the Pot,
with Michael Dura and with iHeart, that was like, oh,

(37:47):
this is a relief, you know. That was like a
level up, a step up. That was financial security through
the show that we didn't have before. And now several
seasons in, as the show continues to grow and we
continue to grow, now it's time for like, okay, another

(38:08):
level up, yes, you know. And it's that constant leveling up,
and so I feel like at the time, it was
the middle of the pandemic. Times were absolutely nuts. We
decided to start this business, And so I think about
the turbulence of that time period, not just for us
as individuals and as a show, but in the world,

(38:29):
and how we came out of it with this multi
year network contract. But it was it was born out
of a lot of turbulence, absolutely, and so we're in
a much less turbulent place. Oh, but I think we're
starting to feel like the feathers are, you know, ruffling
a little bit. And I think that's also a sign
that like there's some other level up that's upon us. Yeah,

(38:50):
because we need it, because it's that time. Now you're
like growing out of our clothes.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, you're constantly evolving, changing as an
artist does a person, and that comes with the leveling
up and the growing pains, I think. And here's to
another multi year.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Deal, another nine seasons. Baby, let's go, let's do it. Yes.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
I want to be like Latino USA, season after season,
year after year. Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, like truly an archive, truly documenting our lives and
the lives of people around us. And this great city
that we call home. I can't think of better people
to do it. Honestly, the world needs us. So thank
you all for listening and for making it possible because
we owe it to the listeners.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
We do owe it to the listeners. And I think
before we wrap, let's just talk about, like what are
we manifesting for season ten?

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Oh? Yes, yes, yes, yes, what's on the top of
your list?

Speaker 1 (39:50):
I want more live shows and in person activations. I
don't know what exactly that is, but we you know,
prepen demic, we were out and about doing events all
the time. And I think, like me personally, like I
don't really know how to like pick it up again
because we can't. The world has changed, We've changed, listeners

(40:12):
have changed, but more so like what can how can
we enter re enter physical space, meetups events in a
way that feels right for us and our community and
our listeners.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, live shows. We used to do live shows all
the time, and at least one every year. Look at
live a podcast party.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
We used to do live shows with zero money. I
don't know how we were doing them.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
I have out of our own pockets, out.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Of our own pocket, like we were just like putting
on these fantastic live shows in iconic at iconic venues. Yeah,
all over lay with zero budget, and now we're just
like we're tired.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
We're tired, we're burnt out, We're tired. It's yeah. I
think also, you know, the life Life events space and
the party space we were in it, but that's its
own world and it really is very exhausting. It is.
It's late nights and it's a lot of prep and
promo and yeah, the money stuff, and so I think

(41:15):
it was very fun and I think that we can
be strategic about our live shows and stuff in the future.
I think we've started to really invest in the behind
the scenes we have work.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
That's why the audio quality is so much better, y'all. Yeah,
I mean everything is better. I think the podcast itself
is better. And we were doing all kinds of different
things and not to be like the podcast sucked, of
course not, but it's like, I don't know, when there's
more intention on something, it's obviously better when you're like
kind of spread out, you're spread out.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yeah, we were spread all over the city. We were
spread all over the place, and that was it was fun.
It was great. I think another thing that we want
to manifest for season ten are more podcasting one oh
one workshops. For a time we were doing workshops at
branches of the LA Public Library, like a bunch of branches,

(42:09):
what like ten branches. Yes, it was amazing in person.
We also did some webinars on zoom. And you know,
we love education and we love we love to teach
the children. So I think we want to do more
of that, more podcasting workshops. And by the way, if
you're listening and you want to bring us to your
campus or your organization to teach out a podcast, email us.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yeah. Yeah, I definitely want to bring all of that
back too, and some newness, some newness, another season, another
couple seasons, yes, please another nine seasons, ten seasons, yes, please,
a million seasons.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
We would like a fresh contract. We would like renewal
to the contract. Ferries out there listening, please bring us back.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
I think it's been an incredible three seasons with my
podcast now work. It's been an incredible nine seasons of
lok at our radio, and I'm just grateful, hopeful for
the future. Excited more growth, more interviews, more art, more music,
more everything, more storytelling, more storytelling.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
We got stories, y'all. We have stories. We have things
in our back pocket and that are in the works,
you know, that we hope to bring to life. Like
we said, it's the dream to get a show greenlit
and made and put out there. And so there are
more that we're dreaming about and that we're working on
and that we're manifesting. Senora Seza and Mari Juanata podcast

(43:42):
for Potheads, it still lives. But beyond those three shows,
which is amazing that we can even name three shows,
we have a slate you know, off network and on network.
But there's even more shows that we've dreamt up and
that we want to put out into the world. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yeah, Well, with that, thank you for listening to another
episode of look at Radio. Thank you for rocking with
us nine seasons. Thank you for rocking with us the
past thirty episodes of this season. It's been an incredible season,
an incredible time, and I can't wait to come back

(44:21):
on the mic and greet y'all and say welcome to
season ten.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
So until then, until season tens us.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Look At a Radio is executive produced by Viosa Fem
and Mala Munos.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Stephanie franco Is, our producer.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Story editing by me ziosa.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Creative direction by me Mala.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Look at Tota Radio is a part of iHeartRadio's Mikeupua
podcast networks.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
You can listen to look at Our Radio on the
iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Leave us a review and share with your FEMA or
share with your home girl.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
And thank you to our locomotives, to our listeners for
tuning in each and every week. This met us

Speaker 4 (45:03):
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