October 8, 2025 • 46 mins
In the season finale, Diosa and Mala do a special IG live episode where they hear directly from their Locamores. This year has been about finding balance, speaking out and showing up authentically while navigating the pressure to blend in. Amidst the realities of the new administration, they unpack how to raise your voice and stay safe in a world where visibility can come with risks.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look already yo Ola la Loka motives, I'm Theosa and
I'm Mala. Today is the final episode of season ten.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And this episode is a little bit different. We are
on ig Live right now in studio as I speak,
as we record, as you hear us our Loko motives
are joining us live on Instagram, and we're going to
be fielding questions. So let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
So today's topic, the theme for today's episode is standing
out while fitting in, and when we were conceptualizing this
final episode, we wanted to conduct it a little different,
which is why we're on live right now right, which
is what we used to do during the pandemic. We
would do our oya lookas during the live but Mala,
(00:47):
you really identified this theme. So let's talk about this theme,
standing out while fitting in and what it means to us.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, we were really racking our brains trying to think
about what we're going to talk about on this final episode.
And for me, this year has been about standing out
while also navigating the pressures to fit in. And I
mean that in a very like loose way, right, but
even just in the context of like politically everything that's
(01:19):
been going on in the country, and the way that
folks like are trying to speak out to make a difference,
but we also are navigating like dangerous terrain.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So we also don't want to like make ourselves targets. Yeah,
and so we want to stand up, stand out, make
a difference, speak out against injustices, but we also like
need to be safe.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
That's like one lens ye. This year kind of like
brought me to this topic, this idea.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah, you know, I think with everything going on, especially
since January twentieth of twenty twenty five and this new administration,
we have been feeling like I've never felt in the
past ten years, nervous, afraid, scared to publish an episode,
(02:09):
to produce an episode about a quote like sensitive topic.
I have never felt disempowered. And I will say with
all the attacks on our communities, on journalist executive orders
coming out left and right, like I have definitely felt like, Okay,
how do we navigate this new normal and the McCarthyism
(02:31):
of it all and still like stay true to our
core values and still like be about it because we
are about it.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah. So it's this combination of like making your voice
heard but also like flying under the radar a little bit,
and so it's hard to do both. So that brought
me to this topic. But also, like I think in school,
like whether now like grad school or even looking back
to undergrad high schoo middle school, it's also that tightrope
(03:03):
that you're walking of being an individual and being different,
but then often that means actually like fitting in visa
v trends, yes, and like I'm being unique, but really
we're all wearing the same thing, you know, And so
like there's like that side of things, and like being
in grad school right now, I notice that like as
a people watcher, there are good ways to stand out
(03:26):
and like bad ways to stand out.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
What are some of the good ways and quote bad ways?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, Like, Okay, if you're like have really interesting ideas
or like a cool sense of style, or you're getting
a lot of projects greenlit, you're getting a lot of opportunities,
that's a good way to stand out, right, But sometimes
if you're like a little too quirky, or if you're
like always like to a class, or if you I
don't know, if you have like a very unorthodox way
(03:52):
of getting things done. Like I've just noticed that there
are some people who like they're standing out is a
bad standing out, you know, it's like a negative chatter
standing out interesting, right, And so it's also that thing
of like you kind of have to fit in to
then be like a positive type of standing out.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
There's like a conformity aspect too, I think professionalism. Yeah, right,
And I want to go read Joanna's comment and Joanna
of Unapologetically Street series, she says she said something about
like her handshaking while she is sending out her print order.
And Joanna, previous guest of lokatoa Radio, is a street
(04:32):
artist and she puts up beautiful, powerful posters all over
the city, all over the world, mind you. And her
messages are radical, they're progressive, and she is still doing
it in the face of everything that we just mentioned.
And she is a public artist also on the public street,
(04:52):
so there's its own safety right that she needs to
consider as well. So I think that that's a good
example of of like trying to create a positive message
or a change and really put your art out there,
but you're physically literally on the street.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, and creating public art. Street art in particular, I
think makes you very vulnerable to like surveillance and intervention
by law enforcement and that sort of negative attention, because
there can be negative connotations with like graffiti, wheat pasting,
and so Joanna is really reclaiming that art form and
(05:32):
like reclaiming public space with the unapologetically Street series while
also being in like a very vulnerable position absolutely and
putting that type of public art out there, especially given
the police state that we're in. So that's definitely like,
I'm sure that somebody who's creating public art kind of
wants to fly under the radar a little bit, but
(05:53):
also you're doing something that's really going to stand out
against like the city landscape.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Absolutely. Last week, let me pull up my phone. Last
week I was in Boyle Heights for Locas Liberals and
look at Tora. We collabed with Penguin Random Houses Vintage Imprint,
and you know, Boyle Heights is our old stomping ground.
We used to record it Espasio and that's where our
book event was. And at the event, I park, I'm
walking up to First Street and what do I see
(06:20):
but a print from Joanna And that was just such
a I love seeing her work in the wild and
it's just you know, makes me think of Yes, the vulnerability,
but also like how important public street art is, especially
in a community like Boyle Heights. And I took a
photo of it, and it says, let I smelt at
the door, protect your immigrant neighbors and family. And so
(06:43):
I just snapped a photo of it because it made
me so happy to see Joanna's work in the street.
I don't know if she put that up or someone
like printed her art and put it put it up
in their neighborhood, because that's also something that she does,
as she keeps her some of her art free for
folks to print and like paste up if they need to.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I love it. Keep yeah, keep it going, and follow
Joanna and the unapologetically straight series. Really amazing work.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Don't go anywhere, lokomotives.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
We'll be right back, and we're back with more of
our episode. What else? What else?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Oh? You know?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Who else reminds me of standing out while fitting in
is journalist award winning journalist Stephanie Mendez and she recently
won an Amahin Award for her work about Latino representation
in film and television. Incredible journalist, incredible producer, and she
has the coolest punk aesthetic and purple hair. And rocks,
(07:43):
leather and platforms and is just fucking killing it. But
for like John Quinnones and like major news networks and
really creating wide reaching pieces of journalism while also maintaining
her individual and so I find her to just be
a really incredible person who, while working in and out
(08:08):
of like the establishment, is just very uniquely herself.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, I agree completely. I think she's a really good
example of someone who's standing out while fitting in and
because of like being the award winning journalist that she is.
I've been thinking about just like personal style and aesthetic,
if you will. And as we, you know, decline into
(08:32):
fascism and.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
What are we wearing?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
No, no, let me finish my thought. As we decline
into fascism, we're seeing a new wave or kind of
like a what is it called, like a whiplash back
to like puritan and like conservative ways. And I'm seeing
that with like fashion, you know, and I'm seeing that
with like let's bring back the short nails, right, like
(08:59):
let's like do the I quote clean beauty. And so
I'm seeing that in these ways where I think that
our current political landscape that we're living in also is
kind of pushing some people or forcing like us to
dress differently or maybe be a little more buttoned up.
And so that's kind of how I've been thinking about it,
(09:19):
and how like people still maintain their personal style in
this like wave of like conservatism and like trying to
give like white supremacist beauty like more space. Yeah, does
that make sense?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
It does make sense. I think you know, the pendulum swings.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Exactly right, That's the word I was looking for.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
The pendulum is swinging in the direction of traditional family value,
homemaker trade wives. Yeah, but it's the twenty twenty five version.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
And these tradwives have filler yeah. Yeah, these tradwives have
filler and maybe even skinny bbls. You know. So it's
like a different level, yeah than maybe we were seeing
in like the Reagan era. Yes, it has its own
like schlack on it.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
It does. It does because I mean everything evolves, even conservatism,
I guess.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, even conservatism. Yeah, conservative aesthetics, they're they're kind of
like igbatty, but like there tradwife version of it. Yes, Yes,
it's fascinating. Actually, we talked about this on a past
episode this season.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
We did. We've talked about a lot this season like
so much. We've covered everything, I feel or in a
range of or really wide range of things. Maybe not everything,
but we've covered a lot this season.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, from the voice of Dora the Explorer to like
a Latina senator, Yeah, and basically everything in between.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, we really did.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
We've left no stone unturned.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I know we do our best.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
We do our best, and now we're doing an IG
live straight from the studio, which we've never done before
in ten seasons of this podcast, hundreds of episodes, our
first IG live, because there's always room for innovation and
something new. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
It makes me think of, you know, being a kid
and listening to radio and folks calling in and they're
being like a prompt, right and listeners being able to
call in, And so I think that's also some of
the energy of like, let's do a live because it
emulates like that feel and that vibe.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, let's have some call ins. And speaking of which,
so we have listeners here on the live. I don't
know what's going on with you guys, Give us a question,
give us a thought.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Okay, this person, I have to admit I cannot fully
read the name, but the message says you ladies have
gone so far. Love it still. Remember when I saw
you speak at a college in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Hello, le I got that, Lina, and thank you for
your message. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
If I'm wrong, please correct me in the chat. I'm
doing the best I can.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah. Yeah, the phone's a little bit far away from yes,
but yeah, that was the Northwestern talk with Pritsca. It
had to have been, right.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
No, well, not with Brisca, but yeah, Northwestern.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Prisco was there before. Yeah, oh yeaheah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
that was a really fun talk. We loved Chicago. We
had such a good time in Chicago. The Chicago Latina
showed us the best time.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
They really did. We'd love to go back in Chicago.
I mean, is talk about showing up and showing out
for immigrant communities, you know, they they are about it.
And our past guest Michelle Sacadias has been documenting She's
an LA based journalist, but she's been she's originally from
Chicago and has been documenting how journalists and how communities
(12:42):
have been showing up to protect immigrant communities and protect
each other in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Huge. So there's like two oh my god, yeah you guys, Yeah, yeah,
we love this. Our listeners on the live are sending
us in messages.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Okay, so jan It says. When thinking about the theme, uh,
standing out all fitting in? Yan It said, absolutely, started
working in local government and I need to be brown
and unapologetic and also need to show I know the
conventions and culture. Yeah, this is the this is the
crux the crugs.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yes, the polarity of being a woman of color in
the workplace and in government.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah. Next a next, someone on the line of not
quite Santa Monica says, in white circles during my time
as a Pasadena private school girly, being brown, curvy on scholarship,
and a room full of privileged white girls. Yeah, you've
been there.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I've been there. That's that was my high school experience
as well. Literally to a.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
T, Yeah, not quite Santa Monica. If you have an
anecdote you'd like to share, please feel free to drop
that in the chat.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, you automatically stand out, but it's high school you
want to fit in.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Not quite Sanama also says, I love being brown and
I felt powerful in those rooms.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Fabulous. Yes, And that's the thing too, is sometimes the
standing out, Well, oftentimes the standing out is very positive, right,
It's a good thing. I think that it feels really
good sometimes to be the diamond in the rough, right,
to be the one that's like sparkling, to be the
attention grabber, you know, in whatever way that is. I
(14:26):
think that there's something really uplifting about that. And when
you're secure in your brownness, like it just it feeds it, like, yes,
I'm the only one, good for them?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah. And I think also to complicate that, it's like
we also can't be the only one, like when you're
the only one, like you shouldn't have to speak for
the entire community.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
And also like it's not a good sign when you're
in a room and you are the only one, you know,
like what's what's going on here? And like why am
I the only one?
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Unless you're in jail, then maybe it's like Okay, I'm
glad there's not others here.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
What how did you go there? How did you get there?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Well, you don't want to be overrepresented in every room.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Some kids are bad, okay, fair.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Fair.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
The context of working in government, which is what she said,
and being in highest.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Jail, jail is a government entity and high schools. There
is a school to prison fipefline.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Fine, Okay, okay, I wasn't following you there.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I'm sorry. I set it up, poor Lee.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
All right, so Papaya and Mariah says, definitely. When I
started leading a newsroom, one Latina leader in my industry
said I was too sexy. It looked like a party girl.
She said, I wouldn't be taken seriously by decision makers.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Mariah, that's horrible. How dare.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
All right? Jackie hit An on this said, for a while,
I wanted to challenge the concept of professionalism. And although
I still do, I do wear the suits, the pants
that office esthetic but inside but include my colors, large earrings, lipstick,
et cetera.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Absolutely, And the thing is too like, uh, there's this
piece of like, Yeah, I can I can do it.
I can fit in. Absolutely, I can do it. I
can do this too. You just give it your own flare,
give it your own flair.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, Jackie says a different Jackie. Jackie, our team member
who could not be in the studio with us today,
is tuning in from home and says, my freshman year,
I went to a private school in Orange County. They
asked me why I wanted why I wasn't scared to
go to a football game in Bellflower lit Old Bellflower,
and she's referring to John Bosco.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
If you know, you know, why aren't you afraid of
John Bosco? The Catholic boys' school.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Batman Baby says, love you both so much. I began
listening because my Aedmana shared your podcast and I've been
hooked ever since. Love being brown, first gen and from
and from immigrant parents. I love y'all. We love you too.
Glad you found us.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Thank you for joining.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Okay, not quite. Santa Monica came back and said, so
I transferred to sophomore year because truly it was so hard.
Academically I was thriving, but socially I wanted friends. So
I transferred and it was the best decision for me.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Sometimes a change, Yes, change is good. And this is
the other thing is I feel like we want to
stand out and we want to do a great job
no matter where we are and fit into every room.
But we got we have to go to the places
that are really feeding us, you know, we got to
go to the places that are really fulfilling us, yes,
and that are giving us the best shot at like
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being our best selves, absolutely achieving happiness.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yes, I think like going so a little the personal anecdote.
I want to read what Joanna says, but I also
want to share this personal anecdoe because we're talking about
like schools and transferring. So I grew up in kind
of an affluent area. My parents, by no means were affluent,
but I grew up like adjacent to it. And so
(18:08):
when I think about the high school that I could
have gone to if I had stayed in that area,
I think my trajectory would have been so different. But
instead my parents, my dad moved us to Southeast LA.
So then the high school that I went to was
brown and it was API. There were so many Filipinas.
It was an all girls school, and I think that
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that really put me on a very different path, that
really made me the person that I am today. Yeah,
but if I had stayed at the predominantly white area
and school district, like I could have become a very
different person.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah, you would have been like me.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
That's not what I mean about That's not what I
mean tragic.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
No, I'm kidding. Yeah, absolutely, I think your schooling has
a lot of has a big impact on you, and
it's not just what you're learning in class, but who
you're learning with.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Don't go anywhere, lookamotives.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
We'll be right back, And we're back with more of
our episode.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
And David says, when I think of the concept fitting
in during our politics of today, what comes to mind
is community. I think we're all craving our communities and
like minded girlies. Greed agreed. Let's get into Joanna's connor.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Let's hear it.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
So she says, first of all, I want to say
last episode about the book. I appreciate y'all opening the
convo around many things existing at once, especially as creators
and the sustainability of being one. So if you haven't
listened to our last episode, encourage y'all to listen to
it after our live session, because we talk about what
(19:50):
it was like to be critiqued in real time. We
were included in chapter in a chapter of a book
that was a dissertation became a book, was published, and
there's some very intense scholarly analysis of the work that
we do and the work that we started in twenty
sixteen and how it's transformed since signing with a network.
(20:13):
So I think we're very honest, very vulnerable, very transparent,
very a little incensed, just a little, but very diplomatic.
I think we did a good job. The feedback so
far has been we did a great job covering something
that was very personal and kind of sensitive exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
So thank you Johanna for affirming our feelings and our
critique of the critique.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Also, I see that Jackie and Mariah are both in
this chat and they're sharing in the comments. So I
want to invite either Mariah or Jackie to hit requests
to join, and we'd love to hear you actually share
your story on this live with us.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yes, join the live. We want to hear your storytelling
in your voice.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah. So whenever y'all are ready, we're here.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Longtime listener, first time caller, Jackie Hernandez.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Let's see if this works. Oh she is, Hello, I
hate Jackie.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
I'm doing good. I'm very good. How about y'all?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
We're doing so great, fabulous to see your face again.
We were just in conversation with you last night because
you're taking our podcasting course, because you won the course
at the fundraiser for all A La Long Beach, and
now you're here on our live and so thank you
for joining us for both occasions. How are you today, I'm.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Really feeling good. Honestly, it's just been such a great
week for me. I had lots of up in the
ups and downs, but honestly, the podcasting class has been
so much fun.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
I feel like I'm.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Finally getting to really think about more seriously. So thank
you all such fans of you guys.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Of course, Oh I'm so glad. I'm so glad that
we get to go on this journey with you of
launching your podcast. So on the theme of standing out
while fitting in. You work in public health. You are
a very progressive, educated, well read baddie, and I'm sure
that you deal with a lot of things, right. I
(22:23):
see some of your critique and your analysis that you
share online, and so I would love to hear a
little more from you of this concept of standing out
while fitting in.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Yeah, I think it's really I mean, when I went
into public health, I really didn't really know what I
was getting into. Per Se. I knew that I liked
health education, and you know, I knew that we needed
policy change. So I was like, oh, public health, that's amazing.
But then it's really realizing because I went to the season,
so it's a lot of people of color, and so
then I started realizing public health was a white woman
(22:56):
like dominated fields. And so when you go into some spaces,
you know, all that lot of the ideas are very
like prescriped, like prescribed on a textbook, prescribed on whatever
theory you know we're reading. But then you know, when
you go into the community, it's not like that. And
then coming from my background, you know, I had that
ONTI life. You know, I've lived in those suburbs. I'm
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here in LA and it's just like I've experienced a
vast amount of like uh, just life, you know. And
I'm bilingual and I'm by cultural. So a lot of
the times when I come to the table and I'm like, oh,
that's not really going to work with our community. Like
it's maybe something that's in the textbook, but it's not practical.
It's not something that you know, people want to hear
(23:39):
how they want to engage in some activities. So I've
kind of, you know, felt like that's the way that
I had to stand out, kind of step in and
be like, this is not really how it's going to
work with this population or or even with me, you know,
quite honestly. So that's the way they send out and
although you know it's been good, so do you know,
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people are like they'd like the ideas. They do engage
in what we're and what I'm pitching in. You know,
there's also the videosas you know, like you have like
the people who are like, oh no, she's shining, she's
taking away my place of like with the ideas, and
then things happen. But you know, that's how it is. Sometimes.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yes, I feel like there's this commentary that I see
on TikTok sometimes that your coworkers are not always your friends, yes,
or your classmates are not always your friends, and especially
if there's some sense of competition, and if there are
folks who feel like an opportunity for you means one
less opportunity for them, which is really not the case.
(24:44):
I really think that there's well, actually I don't know
if there's enough to go around.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
There is enough to go around, but you know, yes.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
In theory there's enough to go around. Yeah, you know,
we don't have to be in direct competition with one
another unless it's a direct competition, right, Yes, that's different.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
When we're talking about community, right, community to work, That's
what I do. Yeah, there's enough ideas, right, there's enough
people too, And we need so many more people to
engage in leadership positions. We need so many more people
like I feel like too many people are scared to
be leaders or to be out there and engaging and
facilitating things. Like I find myself having to pick up
the slack sometimes and it's like, can I just be
(25:23):
the driver like in the vaccine. I don't want to
be the driver driver here, but I want to see
more people stepping up to the plate, you know. I
want to see more people, especially the younger generations. I
want to mentor them so they take off and I
can chow when I'm like time to retire. I do
not want to work beyond you know, big fears, all
(25:43):
in the sense of like having to carry the load
I'm carrying nowt Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I think that's an important point, Like you don't necessarily
want to be the center. You want to pass it
on and keep it moving, which is so important and
so great. Thank you for sharing that, Jackie, of course.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, thank you, Oh my gosh, yes, thank you for
always being down and just being willing to share a
little snippet of your your journey in your industry, in
the field, that of your work. Right, So yeah, thank
you for rocking with us, Thank you for joining us today.
All right, Mariah, you're next. I want to hear. I
want to hear about sexy to be a leader.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
No such thing. Leadership is sexy.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Hey, welcome back to look at radio your second time.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
I have to be a little bit careful, Okay, I
feel like they have any power over me, but also
like you know, it's a whole thing. And I also don't
want to be bad mouthing anybody. I'm not going to
use anyone names. I just think it's a teachable moment.
And I also think it's a great moment for when
we become elders ourselves and when we captain mentor like
young femmes, just young anybody really, especially people in our communities.
(26:59):
So I don't holding me ill will. But when I
became the co founder really public press, you know, folks
were excited like, oh my god, Latina is the co
founder of this new LA newsroom, right, And I was
super excited, and I was you know, I was pretty
young at the time. I was twenty six, and I
was really looking for a mentor. Most of my life,
I've never had a woman mentor. I've always wanted them,
(27:20):
but they've always been like really busy and he's like
one dronals and T shirt.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
But it was really hard.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Most of the people that led me when I was younger,
for guys or men. There's this one latina. She's in
our industry, she's in some spaces. She's created a little
bit of a platform or big platform, and she reached
out to me, and I was so excited. I was like,
oh my gosh, it's gonna be my first Latina mentor.
I've never had a Latina mentor before. The only other
(27:46):
woman who mentored me was a white woman, and I
liked her too.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
She's great.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
And she called me. I was so excited for this
phone call. Can you imagine twenty six citing this newsroom,
so excited to have some guidance finally, and she's like, congratulations,
this is so big, this is so big. She's like,
can I give you some advice. I'm like, oh my god,
please give me some advice. She said, like, you're too
you know, I don't get upset with me, And that's
(28:11):
always a red flug. Uh, but I think you're too
sexy your Instagram you look like a party girl, and
you're linked you know my LinkedIn picture. I will be honest,
I didn't have a headshot. Okay, like I will give
her that my LinkedIn need worked. I think if I
could take any positive from that, my LinkedIn didn't work.
So I did change up my LinkedIn a bit. But
(28:32):
she said, like, you look like a party girl. You're beautiful,
but you look at party girl and decision makers aren't
gonna take you seriously. And how are you going to
be able to take care of the people that work
under you if decision makers don't take you seriously? By
the way, I'm not at the top. I have a
CEO that I answered to. Okay, I just felt in
that moment that there was just more being placed. I
mean also being like Latina and being told that you're
(28:53):
too sexy and being told that you look like a
party girl danning while fitting and I had to really
think about it. I was like, Okay, what part of
the feedback can I take and what part of this
feedback is offensive? And so I don't want to reject,
So you know, I did change up my my LinkedIn.
My LinkedIn is a lot better now. But I did
not change my Instagram athetics. I'm not going to change
my Instagram a sthetics. I'm not going to change who
(29:15):
I am. I'm not going to change the way, you know,
the way I operate too much. I mean, y as
I get older, you know, I'm gonna mature and all
that good stuff. But I would hate, hate, hate, because
I do know that there's like some younger Latino journalists
that follow me, or just younger women in general that
follow me. And I know it's because they reach out
to me. I know this because I talk at colleges
sometimes and I know this guy talk in high school sometimes.
(29:36):
I don't want to be changing who I am and
you know, changing the way I dress and steadly dressing
more conservative or whatever, because I don't want young women
to think that they have to change who they are,
that their bodies are a distraction, that that their bodies
somehow make them less. I want us to show up
as their full selves, what makes us feel comfortable, what
(29:57):
makes us feel powerful. And you know, I'm a petite,
like curvy woman. I'm sorry, like I am going to
when I wear clothing it's gonna be. It's gonna it's
gonna look a certain way. I'm not gonna be wearing
the boxy clothing that the white women wear at in
these professional spaces. I'm gonna have like a little like
wiste something. Okay, it's just how it's gonna be. I'm sorry.
(30:21):
So yeah, I still wanna standout. I still want to
show that we don't have to be these like buttoned
up journalists all the time, sacrificing who we are in
our backgrounds. But I'm also going to you know, take
up space and wearing you know, like some really cute slacks,
have a cute little outfit when I'm in a professional space.
And I developed that that thick skin. I developed that
from since college when they told me that I had
(30:42):
to be doing the whole like objectivity that I didn't
really agree with.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I believe in objectivity.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
From the perspective of whoever's being impacted, because that's how
you can best report on policies, that's how you can
best report and serve the people. But well, I was
always told like you have to talk about both sides,
played devil's advocate, and I just wanted to reject that
so by this point, by the time I was twenty six,
I was already ready to kind of like push back
(31:09):
and take that kind of criticism because something I had
already done since college.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Well, first, thank you for sharing that that experience with
us today and for the folks that clearly resonates with
the folks commenting. I think what my really big takeaway
from hearing you is really how as we mature and
how maybe how we want to present ourselves may change
(31:33):
and may evolve, and even our content online, like we
shouldn't put that on like a younger generation or like
people that we could mentee, you know what I mean,
Like in the same way you had that experience with
an older mentor now if you're in a position of mentorship,
like you know how not to treat your mentee and
(31:54):
like what not to pick apart and instead like lead
with like a different a different perspective and experience.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Yeah, I hope that when I'm older and maybe if
I have a concern, if I'm worried for the person
I'm menting, maybe it's like, you know what, when I
was younger, this was my experience. Maybe that's not going
to be your experience, But I'm just feeling scared about this,
but maybe educate me. Maybe it's not like that anymore.
You know. I'm you know, twenty years out, thirty years out,
you know. I want to support you in this however way.
(32:24):
I want to flag this might be a thing, but.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I don't really know.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, it sounds like that person was probably ascribing to
like a certain professionalism that was imposed on them, right,
and then continue to like replicate.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, And things can change so drastically because woman in
a pants suit is considered very professional now, but there
was a time where women couldn't wear pants at all period,
you know, and now it's peak professionalism, even more professional
than a dress or a skirt.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
So things change, they really do. And I think that
it's so important for us to like embrace the individual
changes we go through, but then like accept that that
means the next generation is living through their own set
of changes and sometimes they like are not aligning.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yes, thank you for joining, We love you.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Have a great day.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
So the Cadla Corasson says, I've never really fit in anywhere.
I'm a Canadian Latina, neurospicy, and I stand out and
I never know what to do about it.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
M very interesting. So Carla, let me ask you when
you say you never know what to do about it, Like,
I'm interested about in that piece, Like is the standing
out for you something that you have come to embrace?
And Godla also was in our podcasting course this summer
(33:47):
and has a super cool idea for an original podcast.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Sorry, how are you going from Canada?
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Sorry?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
I do just roll out of bed and I'm just
living out of a suitcase right now, so I don't
I'm not put together as much as I like to be.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
But but you, I love the hat is carrying it
cries easily is so funny. I love the hat Carla.
For those listening, Godla's wearing a hat that says cries easily.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
And she's wearing a fabulous red list I love, I love,
thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I think I found this a little bit later in life,
Like when I started, I made like a really cool
network of Latino entrepreneurs as I was also a Latino
entrepreneur at the time, and we all did everything to
help each other out. And they started sending me stuff
to like model or display or do a reel on.
And I think that was the first time I was like, oh,
(34:48):
I can I can leverage this into something useful that
isn't just like criticism or negative attention. So I'm growing
in it. I actually have a cold stuff war and
she's helping me with like visibility training because it's something.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
I'm terrified of.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
So it's something that I'm always working on and just
getting more comfortable because with visibility comes also a lot
of power and a lot of opportunity to collaborate and
help people. So I'm learning to not see it as
a negative. I used to hide a lot and I'm
(35:29):
still working on it though. But yeah, that's my that's
my story.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Wow, you shared so many interesting things right now. I
love I've never heard of a like visibility coaching. That's
so interesting. Thank you for bringing that to the show
because it's like that's something really unique.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
M Yeah definitely. Well it sounds like you are working
through that and thank you for sharing that with us. Yeah,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
I love you guys, huge Hush fan and forever supporting you.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Thank you so much. Love to take care, we love you.
I rooted in wellness, says I think when you get older,
it stops to matter. Still looking nice, I see that.
I hear that. I raise you my seventy year old mother,
m who that's a very big part of her identity
is quote looking nice.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, she's of that.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
She's of that generation. Am I too?
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, my mom used to say, Like my mom would talk.
She talks about her mother right, who was born in
the early nineteen hundreds, right, and talks about how her
mother was like would wear the suits, but like the
dress suits right with them with a skirt and like
just to run errands like they were just walking around
what is like looking all beautiful, you knows, with the
(36:44):
wigs like they were definitely of that generation where no
matter where they were going, it was it.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Was very like we're going to the department store.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Okay, I think it's too Chasanyas says, I feel like
I'm the quote difficult one and the family from my
selective food choices and conscious eating to my politics and
living with intention also not being religious.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Okay, I can see that, especially the food. Okay, we
made this big feast for everybody. Yeah, and you need
a special plate?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
And does it also center around a religious holiday?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Usually? I can definitely goodness trifecta.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yes, yes, Sending you love with that one that is definitely,
you know, challenging when it's within that family dynamic, and
it sounds like if it's what's best for you and
what's good for you and what you're in your beliefs,
like that is what's right for you and should be respected.
So next we have Alejandra God She says, I struggle
(37:45):
a lot with being the odd one out in my family.
I'm tattooed, have alternative style, and I'm more politically radical
than my relatives. It's uncomfortable, but someone's got to do it.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Someone's got to do it.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Some have got to do it, and it's usually us.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yeah, someone's got to be the cool, radical tattooed battie.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
That's me. That's literally you ad the bisexual and we're there.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
It's an archetype.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
It is.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
It's an archetype. And if your family doesn't have one,
that's sad.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
That means it's you or and if it's not, it
needs to be.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
It needs to be art your child.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Smighty X says, if I may, how have y'all managed
to say true to the quo aesthetic or look you've
curated for yourselves as artists and for Lokata as a whole.
It's a great question.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, I feel like my aesthetic has changed a little
bit over the years because I have chopped my hair
off twice. So anytime I've had my pixie, I think
it completely altered my vibe and my style. And I
felt that change and that shift. So now that I'm
growing my hair back out, like and I'm doing the
(38:47):
curtain bang again and you know, the curly cut is
coming back out, I feel myself settling back into this
this version of me that really has so much to
do with the hair.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, it does.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, for me, the hair completely dictates the vibe in
the aesthetic.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Mala has like so many hairstyles, you know, and y'all
don't see her as often as I do. Mala has
so many hair selfs. And then there's me with the
little bob, you know, the first bob, and so it's yeah,
I do agree. The hair is a very big part
of the look.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, absolutely, whether if.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
It's longer, if it's short, like, if it's longer, if
it's a pixie, it's still very central to your aesthetic,
to your look.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
The hair is everything. And for the podcast, I think
we've kept it pink. You know, different shades of pink,
but we've kept it. We've kept it pink throughout the years.
We've kept it girly and feminine with a little edge,
with a little edge, well edge, it's.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Like highphem meets there's some like hardness to it.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
There's a light there's brew ha yeah, very light bruh.
And I think that there's a there's there is a
you know, we're millennials of a certain age with this
like Instagram back, so there is like an ig batty,
there is tint to it.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Tigi batties have transformed over the years, but back in
our day, the twenty sixteen day, it looked a certain way.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah, so we have residual.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
That residual twenty sixteen honestly.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
So EVVHD sorry, let me say that again, ev HD. Easy,
I'm going to assume it's Evan on this PhD says
in my PhD biochem program, I always tried to dress
a little professional. Meanwhile, the white male noble laureate would
show up in chank glass Hawaiian shirts and shorts. I
(40:39):
never felt I could do that screaming yeah, because if
you did it, there's probably when they would say something realistically.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
When I was going to UC Santa Barbara, the white
students on campus would walk to class bare foot. They
would skateboard bear foot four feet because we're like by
the b and they're like little hippies, one with nature,
what have you. I'm all for that, but put some
shoes on.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Truly, when I was in high school, I remember being
aghast at like my white classmates wearing flip flops to
school and like taking their flip flops off during class
and just like setting them aside and just in class
in high school unheard of, unheard of her, but they
did it. They were very casual. I never did that.
I never felt like I.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Could do that. I couldn't imagine you doing that.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Now.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
I keep my shoes on.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, yeah, even when the heels hurt.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
I've only her I keep them, keep.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
The shoes on. We have never been those girls.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
I will hobble any who enough about my feet.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
All right. Judging by the cover Dot Books, Love the
Name says, I've definitely deconstructed what quote looking nice is
working to reject traditional professionalism absolutely, and I think that
like what quote looking nice is subjective to the right
and so what like looking quote. Nice is gonna be
different to each person. Yeah, even the person with the chunk.
(42:08):
Mus Let's be honest.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
It's true. We were all born naked. The rest is drag.
That's a real Paul quote.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Oh wow, Well, this has been such an amazing conversation.
It looks like we're about to wrap up. Any final
thoughts or questions about this topic, please feel free to
drop those in now before we wrap up. But this
has been really fun.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
It has been lovely. Y'all are so engaged. Our listeners are, like,
have so much to share and talk about, and I
think we might have to do this again.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
I think so. Oh, we have a special announcement actually yes,
well two well, one is a reminder and one is
an announcement. So first, we are finalists for the Signal Awards. Huge.
We are in two categories, Arts and Culture for Look
at our Radio and Conversation Starter for Sin to Sex
d Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
And these are Listeners Choice Awards.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yes, so that means that it's up to the voters.
Up to y'all. You can help us win a Listener
Choice Award by going in and voting. It's very easy.
It's linked in our bio. You create an account, confirm
your email, and then search the genre. You can either
type in Loka Tora and both shows will come up,
or you can search by genre of arts and Culture
(43:27):
and conversation Starter. I'm not too sure about the conversation Starter,
but I will say for arts and culture, we are
the only Latinas and women of color in that category.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, so rock the vote. Voter die, you know all
of that stuff. Your vote, your vote matters. Vote for us,
Vote for us.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
We have a final, final announcement to share. If you're
on this live, you are hearing it first. We are
bringing back Loka to live a podcast party. We have
one potential date tvd on that one, but we have
a for sure locked in date that's November twenty first
(44:08):
at the Paramount. It's going to be our first live
show in years. We're bringing back the podcast party. So
expect to dance, expect to be with each other in community,
and see this in vivo, in the flesh on a stage.
It's going to be so much fun.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
The Paramount is an iconic Boil Heights music venue. We
did a show there years ago. We did look at
what our live a podcast party, Spectrum One News was
there that's right. Yeah, we screened our short film low
Keith as anonymous. There it was, We had vendors. It
was a fabulous time. And we similarly are going to
(44:48):
have interview guests, a live musical guest. We're gonna have
a DJ drinks. It's gonna be fun. So just like,
keep an eye out, yes, keep keep up with our
Instagram posts, keep with our newsletter because ticket information is
coming your way.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
Yes, mark your calendars. November twenty first, join us for
lokat A Live.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yay, all right, y'all.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Well, this wraps season ten. This was our final episode
of Loka Dora Radio season ten, and we wanted to
shake it things up, do it differently, which is why
we're here on Live with y'all today. So if you
were on the Live with us listening to it in
vivo in real time, thank you so much. If you're
listening on Wednesday when this episode drops, thank you so
(45:36):
much for tuning in to another season of Lokatoa Radio.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
And that's bye bye for now.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
All right, Well, hopefully catch you next season, y'all.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Best see us.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
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Speaker 2 (45:51):
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Besitos Loca Luni
Look already yo Ola la Loka motives, I'm Theosa and
I'm Mala. Today is the final episode of season ten.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And this episode is a little bit different. We are
on ig Live right now in studio as I speak,
as we record, as you hear us our Loko motives
are joining us live on Instagram, and we're going to
be fielding questions. So let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
So today's topic, the theme for today's episode is standing
out while fitting in, and when we were conceptualizing this
final episode, we wanted to conduct it a little different,
which is why we're on live right now right, which
is what we used to do during the pandemic. We
would do our oya lookas during the live but Mala,
(00:47):
you really identified this theme. So let's talk about this theme,
standing out while fitting in and what it means to us.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, we were really racking our brains trying to think
about what we're going to talk about on this final episode.
And for me, this year has been about standing out
while also navigating the pressures to fit in. And I
mean that in a very like loose way, right, but
even just in the context of like politically everything that's
(01:19):
been going on in the country, and the way that
folks like are trying to speak out to make a difference,
but we also are navigating like dangerous terrain.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So we also don't want to like make ourselves targets. Yeah,
and so we want to stand up, stand out, make
a difference, speak out against injustices, but we also like
need to be safe.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
That's like one lens ye. This year kind of like
brought me to this topic, this idea.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah, you know, I think with everything going on, especially
since January twentieth of twenty twenty five and this new administration,
we have been feeling like I've never felt in the
past ten years, nervous, afraid, scared to publish an episode,
(02:09):
to produce an episode about a quote like sensitive topic.
I have never felt disempowered. And I will say with
all the attacks on our communities, on journalist executive orders
coming out left and right, like I have definitely felt like, Okay,
how do we navigate this new normal and the McCarthyism
(02:31):
of it all and still like stay true to our
core values and still like be about it because we
are about it.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah. So it's this combination of like making your voice
heard but also like flying under the radar a little bit,
and so it's hard to do both. So that brought
me to this topic. But also, like I think in school,
like whether now like grad school or even looking back
to undergrad high schoo middle school, it's also that tightrope
(03:03):
that you're walking of being an individual and being different,
but then often that means actually like fitting in visa
v trends, yes, and like I'm being unique, but really
we're all wearing the same thing, you know, And so
like there's like that side of things, and like being
in grad school right now, I notice that like as
a people watcher, there are good ways to stand out
(03:26):
and like bad ways to stand out.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
What are some of the good ways and quote bad ways?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, Like, Okay, if you're like have really interesting ideas
or like a cool sense of style, or you're getting
a lot of projects greenlit, you're getting a lot of opportunities,
that's a good way to stand out, right, But sometimes
if you're like a little too quirky, or if you're
like always like to a class, or if you I
don't know, if you have like a very unorthodox way
(03:52):
of getting things done. Like I've just noticed that there
are some people who like they're standing out is a
bad standing out, you know, it's like a negative chatter
standing out interesting, right, And so it's also that thing
of like you kind of have to fit in to
then be like a positive type of standing out.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
There's like a conformity aspect too, I think professionalism. Yeah, right,
And I want to go read Joanna's comment and Joanna
of Unapologetically Street series, she says she said something about
like her handshaking while she is sending out her print order.
And Joanna, previous guest of lokatoa Radio, is a street
(04:32):
artist and she puts up beautiful, powerful posters all over
the city, all over the world, mind you. And her
messages are radical, they're progressive, and she is still doing
it in the face of everything that we just mentioned.
And she is a public artist also on the public street,
(04:52):
so there's its own safety right that she needs to
consider as well. So I think that that's a good
example of of like trying to create a positive message
or a change and really put your art out there,
but you're physically literally on the street.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, and creating public art. Street art in particular, I
think makes you very vulnerable to like surveillance and intervention
by law enforcement and that sort of negative attention, because
there can be negative connotations with like graffiti, wheat pasting,
and so Joanna is really reclaiming that art form and
(05:32):
like reclaiming public space with the unapologetically Street series while
also being in like a very vulnerable position absolutely and
putting that type of public art out there, especially given
the police state that we're in. So that's definitely like,
I'm sure that somebody who's creating public art kind of
wants to fly under the radar a little bit, but
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also you're doing something that's really going to stand out
against like the city landscape.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Absolutely. Last week, let me pull up my phone. Last
week I was in Boyle Heights for Locas Liberals and
look at Tora. We collabed with Penguin Random Houses Vintage Imprint,
and you know, Boyle Heights is our old stomping ground.
We used to record it Espasio and that's where our
book event was. And at the event, I park, I'm
walking up to First Street and what do I see
(06:20):
but a print from Joanna And that was just such
a I love seeing her work in the wild and
it's just you know, makes me think of Yes, the vulnerability,
but also like how important public street art is, especially
in a community like Boyle Heights. And I took a
photo of it, and it says, let I smelt at
the door, protect your immigrant neighbors and family. And so
(06:43):
I just snapped a photo of it because it made
me so happy to see Joanna's work in the street.
I don't know if she put that up or someone
like printed her art and put it put it up
in their neighborhood, because that's also something that she does,
as she keeps her some of her art free for
folks to print and like paste up if they need to.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I love it. Keep yeah, keep it going, and follow
Joanna and the unapologetically straight series. Really amazing work.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Don't go anywhere, lokomotives.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
We'll be right back, and we're back with more of
our episode. What else? What else?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Oh? You know?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Who else reminds me of standing out while fitting in
is journalist award winning journalist Stephanie Mendez and she recently
won an Amahin Award for her work about Latino representation
in film and television. Incredible journalist, incredible producer, and she
has the coolest punk aesthetic and purple hair. And rocks,
(07:43):
leather and platforms and is just fucking killing it. But
for like John Quinnones and like major news networks and
really creating wide reaching pieces of journalism while also maintaining
her individual and so I find her to just be
a really incredible person who, while working in and out
(08:08):
of like the establishment, is just very uniquely herself.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, I agree completely. I think she's a really good
example of someone who's standing out while fitting in and
because of like being the award winning journalist that she is.
I've been thinking about just like personal style and aesthetic,
if you will. And as we, you know, decline into
(08:32):
fascism and.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
What are we wearing?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
No, no, let me finish my thought. As we decline
into fascism, we're seeing a new wave or kind of
like a what is it called, like a whiplash back
to like puritan and like conservative ways. And I'm seeing
that with like fashion, you know, and I'm seeing that
with like let's bring back the short nails, right, like
(08:59):
let's like do the I quote clean beauty. And so
I'm seeing that in these ways where I think that
our current political landscape that we're living in also is
kind of pushing some people or forcing like us to
dress differently or maybe be a little more buttoned up.
And so that's kind of how I've been thinking about it,
(09:19):
and how like people still maintain their personal style in
this like wave of like conservatism and like trying to
give like white supremacist beauty like more space. Yeah, does
that make sense?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
It does make sense. I think you know, the pendulum swings.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Exactly right, That's the word I was looking for.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
The pendulum is swinging in the direction of traditional family value,
homemaker trade wives. Yeah, but it's the twenty twenty five version.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
And these tradwives have filler yeah. Yeah, these tradwives have
filler and maybe even skinny bbls. You know. So it's
like a different level, yeah than maybe we were seeing
in like the Reagan era. Yes, it has its own
like schlack on it.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
It does. It does because I mean everything evolves, even conservatism,
I guess.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, even conservatism. Yeah, conservative aesthetics, they're they're kind of
like igbatty, but like there tradwife version of it. Yes, Yes,
it's fascinating. Actually, we talked about this on a past
episode this season.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
We did. We've talked about a lot this season like
so much. We've covered everything, I feel or in a
range of or really wide range of things. Maybe not everything,
but we've covered a lot this season.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, from the voice of Dora the Explorer to like
a Latina senator, Yeah, and basically everything in between.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, we really did.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
We've left no stone unturned.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I know we do our best.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
We do our best, and now we're doing an IG
live straight from the studio, which we've never done before
in ten seasons of this podcast, hundreds of episodes, our
first IG live, because there's always room for innovation and
something new. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
It makes me think of, you know, being a kid
and listening to radio and folks calling in and they're
being like a prompt, right and listeners being able to
call in, And so I think that's also some of
the energy of like, let's do a live because it
emulates like that feel and that vibe.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, let's have some call ins. And speaking of which,
so we have listeners here on the live. I don't
know what's going on with you guys, Give us a question,
give us a thought.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Okay, this person, I have to admit I cannot fully
read the name, but the message says you ladies have
gone so far. Love it still. Remember when I saw
you speak at a college in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Hello, le I got that, Lina, and thank you for
your message. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
If I'm wrong, please correct me in the chat. I'm
doing the best I can.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah. Yeah, the phone's a little bit far away from yes,
but yeah, that was the Northwestern talk with Pritsca. It
had to have been, right.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
No, well, not with Brisca, but yeah, Northwestern.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Prisco was there before. Yeah, oh yeaheah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
that was a really fun talk. We loved Chicago. We
had such a good time in Chicago. The Chicago Latina
showed us the best time.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
They really did. We'd love to go back in Chicago.
I mean, is talk about showing up and showing out
for immigrant communities, you know, they they are about it.
And our past guest Michelle Sacadias has been documenting She's
an LA based journalist, but she's been she's originally from
Chicago and has been documenting how journalists and how communities
(12:42):
have been showing up to protect immigrant communities and protect
each other in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Huge. So there's like two oh my god, yeah you guys, Yeah, yeah,
we love this. Our listeners on the live are sending
us in messages.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Okay, so jan It says. When thinking about the theme, uh,
standing out all fitting in? Yan It said, absolutely, started
working in local government and I need to be brown
and unapologetic and also need to show I know the
conventions and culture. Yeah, this is the this is the
crux the crugs.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yes, the polarity of being a woman of color in
the workplace and in government.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah. Next a next, someone on the line of not
quite Santa Monica says, in white circles during my time
as a Pasadena private school girly, being brown, curvy on scholarship,
and a room full of privileged white girls. Yeah, you've
been there.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I've been there. That's that was my high school experience
as well. Literally to a.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
T, Yeah, not quite Santa Monica. If you have an
anecdote you'd like to share, please feel free to drop
that in the chat.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, you automatically stand out, but it's high school you
want to fit in.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Not quite Sanama also says, I love being brown and
I felt powerful in those rooms.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Fabulous. Yes, And that's the thing too, is sometimes the
standing out, Well, oftentimes the standing out is very positive, right,
It's a good thing. I think that it feels really
good sometimes to be the diamond in the rough, right,
to be the one that's like sparkling, to be the
attention grabber, you know, in whatever way that is. I
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think that there's something really uplifting about that. And when
you're secure in your brownness, like it just it feeds it, like, yes,
I'm the only one, good for them?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah. And I think also to complicate that, it's like
we also can't be the only one, like when you're
the only one, like you shouldn't have to speak for
the entire community.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
And also like it's not a good sign when you're
in a room and you are the only one, you know,
like what's what's going on here? And like why am
I the only one?
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Unless you're in jail, then maybe it's like Okay, I'm
glad there's not others here.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
What how did you go there? How did you get there?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Well, you don't want to be overrepresented in every room.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Some kids are bad, okay, fair.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Fair.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
The context of working in government, which is what she said,
and being in highest.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Jail, jail is a government entity and high schools. There
is a school to prison fipefline.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Fine, Okay, okay, I wasn't following you there.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I'm sorry. I set it up, poor Lee.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
All right, so Papaya and Mariah says, definitely. When I
started leading a newsroom, one Latina leader in my industry
said I was too sexy. It looked like a party girl.
She said, I wouldn't be taken seriously by decision makers.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Mariah, that's horrible. How dare.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
All right? Jackie hit An on this said, for a while,
I wanted to challenge the concept of professionalism. And although
I still do, I do wear the suits, the pants
that office esthetic but inside but include my colors, large earrings, lipstick,
et cetera.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Absolutely, And the thing is too like, uh, there's this
piece of like, Yeah, I can I can do it.
I can fit in. Absolutely, I can do it. I
can do this too. You just give it your own flare,
give it your own flair.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, Jackie says a different Jackie. Jackie, our team member
who could not be in the studio with us today,
is tuning in from home and says, my freshman year,
I went to a private school in Orange County. They
asked me why I wanted why I wasn't scared to
go to a football game in Bellflower lit Old Bellflower,
and she's referring to John Bosco.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
If you know, you know, why aren't you afraid of
John Bosco? The Catholic boys' school.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Batman Baby says, love you both so much. I began
listening because my Aedmana shared your podcast and I've been
hooked ever since. Love being brown, first gen and from
and from immigrant parents. I love y'all. We love you too.
Glad you found us.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Thank you for joining.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Okay, not quite. Santa Monica came back and said, so
I transferred to sophomore year because truly it was so hard.
Academically I was thriving, but socially I wanted friends. So
I transferred and it was the best decision for me.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Sometimes a change, Yes, change is good. And this is
the other thing is I feel like we want to
stand out and we want to do a great job
no matter where we are and fit into every room.
But we got we have to go to the places
that are really feeding us, you know, we got to
go to the places that are really fulfilling us, yes,
and that are giving us the best shot at like
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being our best selves, absolutely achieving happiness.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yes, I think like going so a little the personal anecdote.
I want to read what Joanna says, but I also
want to share this personal anecdoe because we're talking about
like schools and transferring. So I grew up in kind
of an affluent area. My parents, by no means were affluent,
but I grew up like adjacent to it. And so
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when I think about the high school that I could
have gone to if I had stayed in that area,
I think my trajectory would have been so different. But
instead my parents, my dad moved us to Southeast LA.
So then the high school that I went to was
brown and it was API. There were so many Filipinas.
It was an all girls school, and I think that
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that really put me on a very different path, that
really made me the person that I am today. Yeah,
but if I had stayed at the predominantly white area
and school district, like I could have become a very
different person.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah, you would have been like me.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
That's not what I mean about That's not what I
mean tragic.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
No, I'm kidding. Yeah, absolutely, I think your schooling has
a lot of has a big impact on you, and
it's not just what you're learning in class, but who
you're learning with.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Don't go anywhere, lookamotives.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
We'll be right back, And we're back with more of
our episode.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
And David says, when I think of the concept fitting
in during our politics of today, what comes to mind
is community. I think we're all craving our communities and
like minded girlies. Greed agreed. Let's get into Joanna's connor.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Let's hear it.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
So she says, first of all, I want to say
last episode about the book. I appreciate y'all opening the
convo around many things existing at once, especially as creators
and the sustainability of being one. So if you haven't
listened to our last episode, encourage y'all to listen to
it after our live session, because we talk about what
(19:50):
it was like to be critiqued in real time. We
were included in chapter in a chapter of a book
that was a dissertation became a book, was published, and
there's some very intense scholarly analysis of the work that
we do and the work that we started in twenty
sixteen and how it's transformed since signing with a network.
(20:13):
So I think we're very honest, very vulnerable, very transparent,
very a little incensed, just a little, but very diplomatic.
I think we did a good job. The feedback so
far has been we did a great job covering something
that was very personal and kind of sensitive exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
So thank you Johanna for affirming our feelings and our
critique of the critique.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Also, I see that Jackie and Mariah are both in
this chat and they're sharing in the comments. So I
want to invite either Mariah or Jackie to hit requests
to join, and we'd love to hear you actually share
your story on this live with us.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yes, join the live. We want to hear your storytelling
in your voice.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah. So whenever y'all are ready, we're here.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Longtime listener, first time caller, Jackie Hernandez.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Let's see if this works. Oh she is, Hello, I
hate Jackie.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
I'm doing good. I'm very good. How about y'all?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
We're doing so great, fabulous to see your face again.
We were just in conversation with you last night because
you're taking our podcasting course, because you won the course
at the fundraiser for all A La Long Beach, and
now you're here on our live and so thank you
for joining us for both occasions. How are you today, I'm.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Really feeling good. Honestly, it's just been such a great
week for me. I had lots of up in the
ups and downs, but honestly, the podcasting class has been
so much fun.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
I feel like I'm.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Finally getting to really think about more seriously. So thank
you all such fans of you guys.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Of course, Oh I'm so glad. I'm so glad that
we get to go on this journey with you of
launching your podcast. So on the theme of standing out
while fitting in. You work in public health. You are
a very progressive, educated, well read baddie, and I'm sure
that you deal with a lot of things, right. I
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see some of your critique and your analysis that you
share online, and so I would love to hear a
little more from you of this concept of standing out
while fitting in.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Yeah, I think it's really I mean, when I went
into public health, I really didn't really know what I
was getting into. Per Se. I knew that I liked
health education, and you know, I knew that we needed
policy change. So I was like, oh, public health, that's amazing.
But then it's really realizing because I went to the season,
so it's a lot of people of color, and so
then I started realizing public health was a white woman
(22:56):
like dominated fields. And so when you go into some spaces,
you know, all that lot of the ideas are very
like prescriped, like prescribed on a textbook, prescribed on whatever
theory you know we're reading. But then you know, when
you go into the community, it's not like that. And
then coming from my background, you know, I had that
ONTI life. You know, I've lived in those suburbs. I'm
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here in LA and it's just like I've experienced a
vast amount of like uh, just life, you know. And
I'm bilingual and I'm by cultural. So a lot of
the times when I come to the table and I'm like, oh,
that's not really going to work with our community. Like
it's maybe something that's in the textbook, but it's not practical.
It's not something that you know, people want to hear
(23:39):
how they want to engage in some activities. So I've
kind of, you know, felt like that's the way that
I had to stand out, kind of step in and
be like, this is not really how it's going to
work with this population or or even with me, you know,
quite honestly. So that's the way they send out and
although you know it's been good, so do you know,
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people are like they'd like the ideas. They do engage
in what we're and what I'm pitching in. You know,
there's also the videosas you know, like you have like
the people who are like, oh no, she's shining, she's
taking away my place of like with the ideas, and
then things happen. But you know, that's how it is. Sometimes.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yes, I feel like there's this commentary that I see
on TikTok sometimes that your coworkers are not always your friends, yes,
or your classmates are not always your friends, and especially
if there's some sense of competition, and if there are
folks who feel like an opportunity for you means one
less opportunity for them, which is really not the case.
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I really think that there's well, actually I don't know
if there's enough to go around.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
There is enough to go around, but you know, yes.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
In theory there's enough to go around. Yeah, you know,
we don't have to be in direct competition with one
another unless it's a direct competition, right, Yes, that's different.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
When we're talking about community, right, community to work, That's
what I do. Yeah, there's enough ideas, right, there's enough
people too, And we need so many more people to
engage in leadership positions. We need so many more people
like I feel like too many people are scared to
be leaders or to be out there and engaging and
facilitating things. Like I find myself having to pick up
the slack sometimes and it's like, can I just be
(25:23):
the driver like in the vaccine. I don't want to
be the driver driver here, but I want to see
more people stepping up to the plate, you know. I
want to see more people, especially the younger generations. I
want to mentor them so they take off and I
can chow when I'm like time to retire. I do
not want to work beyond you know, big fears, all
(25:43):
in the sense of like having to carry the load
I'm carrying nowt Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I think that's an important point, Like you don't necessarily
want to be the center. You want to pass it
on and keep it moving, which is so important and
so great. Thank you for sharing that, Jackie, of course.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, thank you, Oh my gosh, yes, thank you for
always being down and just being willing to share a
little snippet of your your journey in your industry, in
the field, that of your work. Right, So yeah, thank
you for rocking with us, Thank you for joining us today.
All right, Mariah, you're next. I want to hear. I
want to hear about sexy to be a leader.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
No such thing. Leadership is sexy.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Hey, welcome back to look at radio your second time.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
I have to be a little bit careful, Okay, I
feel like they have any power over me, but also
like you know, it's a whole thing. And I also don't
want to be bad mouthing anybody. I'm not going to
use anyone names. I just think it's a teachable moment.
And I also think it's a great moment for when
we become elders ourselves and when we captain mentor like
young femmes, just young anybody really, especially people in our communities.
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So I don't holding me ill will. But when I
became the co founder really public press, you know, folks
were excited like, oh my god, Latina is the co
founder of this new LA newsroom, right, And I was
super excited, and I was you know, I was pretty
young at the time. I was twenty six, and I
was really looking for a mentor. Most of my life,
I've never had a woman mentor. I've always wanted them,
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but they've always been like really busy and he's like
one dronals and T shirt.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
But it was really hard.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Most of the people that led me when I was younger,
for guys or men. There's this one latina. She's in
our industry, she's in some spaces. She's created a little
bit of a platform or big platform, and she reached
out to me, and I was so excited. I was like,
oh my gosh, it's gonna be my first Latina mentor.
I've never had a Latina mentor before. The only other
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woman who mentored me was a white woman, and I
liked her too.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
She's great.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
And she called me. I was so excited for this
phone call. Can you imagine twenty six citing this newsroom,
so excited to have some guidance finally, and she's like, congratulations,
this is so big, this is so big. She's like,
can I give you some advice. I'm like, oh my god,
please give me some advice. She said, like, you're too
you know, I don't get upset with me, And that's
(28:11):
always a red flug. Uh, but I think you're too
sexy your Instagram you look like a party girl, and
you're linked you know my LinkedIn picture. I will be honest,
I didn't have a headshot. Okay, like I will give
her that my LinkedIn need worked. I think if I
could take any positive from that, my LinkedIn didn't work.
So I did change up my LinkedIn a bit. But
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she said, like, you look like a party girl. You're beautiful,
but you look at party girl and decision makers aren't
gonna take you seriously. And how are you going to
be able to take care of the people that work
under you if decision makers don't take you seriously? By
the way, I'm not at the top. I have a
CEO that I answered to. Okay, I just felt in
that moment that there was just more being placed. I
mean also being like Latina and being told that you're
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too sexy and being told that you look like a
party girl danning while fitting and I had to really
think about it. I was like, Okay, what part of
the feedback can I take and what part of this
feedback is offensive? And so I don't want to reject,
So you know, I did change up my my LinkedIn.
My LinkedIn is a lot better now. But I did
not change my Instagram athetics. I'm not going to change
my Instagram a sthetics. I'm not going to change who
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I am. I'm not going to change the way, you know,
the way I operate too much. I mean, y as
I get older, you know, I'm gonna mature and all
that good stuff. But I would hate, hate, hate, because
I do know that there's like some younger Latino journalists
that follow me, or just younger women in general that
follow me. And I know it's because they reach out
to me. I know this because I talk at colleges
sometimes and I know this guy talk in high school sometimes.
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I don't want to be changing who I am and
you know, changing the way I dress and steadly dressing
more conservative or whatever, because I don't want young women
to think that they have to change who they are,
that their bodies are a distraction, that that their bodies
somehow make them less. I want us to show up
as their full selves, what makes us feel comfortable, what
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makes us feel powerful. And you know, I'm a petite,
like curvy woman. I'm sorry, like I am going to
when I wear clothing it's gonna be. It's gonna it's
gonna look a certain way. I'm not gonna be wearing
the boxy clothing that the white women wear at in
these professional spaces. I'm gonna have like a little like
wiste something. Okay, it's just how it's gonna be. I'm sorry.
(30:21):
So yeah, I still wanna standout. I still want to
show that we don't have to be these like buttoned
up journalists all the time, sacrificing who we are in
our backgrounds. But I'm also going to you know, take
up space and wearing you know, like some really cute slacks,
have a cute little outfit when I'm in a professional space.
And I developed that that thick skin. I developed that
from since college when they told me that I had
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to be doing the whole like objectivity that I didn't
really agree with.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I believe in objectivity.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
From the perspective of whoever's being impacted, because that's how
you can best report on policies, that's how you can
best report and serve the people. But well, I was
always told like you have to talk about both sides,
played devil's advocate, and I just wanted to reject that
so by this point, by the time I was twenty six,
I was already ready to kind of like push back
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and take that kind of criticism because something I had
already done since college.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Well, first, thank you for sharing that that experience with
us today and for the folks that clearly resonates with
the folks commenting. I think what my really big takeaway
from hearing you is really how as we mature and
how maybe how we want to present ourselves may change
(31:33):
and may evolve, and even our content online, like we
shouldn't put that on like a younger generation or like
people that we could mentee, you know what I mean,
Like in the same way you had that experience with
an older mentor now if you're in a position of mentorship,
like you know how not to treat your mentee and
(31:54):
like what not to pick apart and instead like lead
with like a different a different perspective and experience.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Yeah, I hope that when I'm older and maybe if
I have a concern, if I'm worried for the person
I'm menting, maybe it's like, you know what, when I
was younger, this was my experience. Maybe that's not going
to be your experience, But I'm just feeling scared about this,
but maybe educate me. Maybe it's not like that anymore.
You know. I'm you know, twenty years out, thirty years out,
you know. I want to support you in this however way.
(32:24):
I want to flag this might be a thing, but.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I don't really know.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, it sounds like that person was probably ascribing to
like a certain professionalism that was imposed on them, right,
and then continue to like replicate.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, And things can change so drastically because woman in
a pants suit is considered very professional now, but there
was a time where women couldn't wear pants at all period,
you know, and now it's peak professionalism, even more professional
than a dress or a skirt.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
So things change, they really do. And I think that
it's so important for us to like embrace the individual
changes we go through, but then like accept that that
means the next generation is living through their own set
of changes and sometimes they like are not aligning.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yes, thank you for joining, We love you.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Have a great day.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
So the Cadla Corasson says, I've never really fit in anywhere.
I'm a Canadian Latina, neurospicy, and I stand out and
I never know what to do about it.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
M very interesting. So Carla, let me ask you when
you say you never know what to do about it, Like,
I'm interested about in that piece, Like is the standing
out for you something that you have come to embrace?
And Godla also was in our podcasting course this summer
(33:47):
and has a super cool idea for an original podcast.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Sorry, how are you going from Canada?
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Sorry?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
I do just roll out of bed and I'm just
living out of a suitcase right now, so I don't
I'm not put together as much as I like to be.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
But but you, I love the hat is carrying it
cries easily is so funny. I love the hat Carla.
For those listening, Godla's wearing a hat that says cries easily.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
And she's wearing a fabulous red list I love, I love,
thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I think I found this a little bit later in life,
Like when I started, I made like a really cool
network of Latino entrepreneurs as I was also a Latino
entrepreneur at the time, and we all did everything to
help each other out. And they started sending me stuff
to like model or display or do a reel on.
And I think that was the first time I was like, oh,
(34:48):
I can I can leverage this into something useful that
isn't just like criticism or negative attention. So I'm growing
in it. I actually have a cold stuff war and
she's helping me with like visibility training because it's something.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
I'm terrified of.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
So it's something that I'm always working on and just
getting more comfortable because with visibility comes also a lot
of power and a lot of opportunity to collaborate and
help people. So I'm learning to not see it as
a negative. I used to hide a lot and I'm
(35:29):
still working on it though. But yeah, that's my that's
my story.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Wow, you shared so many interesting things right now. I
love I've never heard of a like visibility coaching. That's
so interesting. Thank you for bringing that to the show
because it's like that's something really unique.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
M Yeah definitely. Well it sounds like you are working
through that and thank you for sharing that with us. Yeah,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
I love you guys, huge Hush fan and forever supporting you.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Thank you so much. Love to take care, we love you.
I rooted in wellness, says I think when you get older,
it stops to matter. Still looking nice, I see that.
I hear that. I raise you my seventy year old mother,
m who that's a very big part of her identity
is quote looking nice.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, she's of that.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
She's of that generation. Am I too?
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, my mom used to say, Like my mom would talk.
She talks about her mother right, who was born in
the early nineteen hundreds, right, and talks about how her
mother was like would wear the suits, but like the
dress suits right with them with a skirt and like
just to run errands like they were just walking around
what is like looking all beautiful, you knows, with the
(36:44):
wigs like they were definitely of that generation where no
matter where they were going, it was it.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Was very like we're going to the department store.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Okay, I think it's too Chasanyas says, I feel like
I'm the quote difficult one and the family from my
selective food choices and conscious eating to my politics and
living with intention also not being religious.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Okay, I can see that, especially the food. Okay, we
made this big feast for everybody. Yeah, and you need
a special plate?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
And does it also center around a religious holiday?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Usually? I can definitely goodness trifecta.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yes, yes, Sending you love with that one that is definitely,
you know, challenging when it's within that family dynamic, and
it sounds like if it's what's best for you and
what's good for you and what you're in your beliefs,
like that is what's right for you and should be respected.
So next we have Alejandra God She says, I struggle
(37:45):
a lot with being the odd one out in my family.
I'm tattooed, have alternative style, and I'm more politically radical
than my relatives. It's uncomfortable, but someone's got to do it.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Someone's got to do it.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Some have got to do it, and it's usually us.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yeah, someone's got to be the cool, radical tattooed battie.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
That's me. That's literally you ad the bisexual and we're there.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
It's an archetype.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
It is.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
It's an archetype. And if your family doesn't have one,
that's sad.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
That means it's you or and if it's not, it
needs to be.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
It needs to be art your child.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Smighty X says, if I may, how have y'all managed
to say true to the quo aesthetic or look you've
curated for yourselves as artists and for Lokata as a whole.
It's a great question.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, I feel like my aesthetic has changed a little
bit over the years because I have chopped my hair
off twice. So anytime I've had my pixie, I think
it completely altered my vibe and my style. And I
felt that change and that shift. So now that I'm
growing my hair back out, like and I'm doing the
(38:47):
curtain bang again and you know, the curly cut is
coming back out, I feel myself settling back into this
this version of me that really has so much to
do with the hair.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, it does.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, for me, the hair completely dictates the vibe in
the aesthetic.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Mala has like so many hairstyles, you know, and y'all
don't see her as often as I do. Mala has
so many hair selfs. And then there's me with the
little bob, you know, the first bob, and so it's yeah,
I do agree. The hair is a very big part
of the look.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, absolutely, whether if.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
It's longer, if it's short, like, if it's longer, if
it's a pixie, it's still very central to your aesthetic,
to your look.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
The hair is everything. And for the podcast, I think
we've kept it pink. You know, different shades of pink,
but we've kept it. We've kept it pink throughout the years.
We've kept it girly and feminine with a little edge,
with a little edge, well edge, it's.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Like highphem meets there's some like hardness to it.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
There's a light there's brew ha yeah, very light bruh.
And I think that there's a there's there is a
you know, we're millennials of a certain age with this
like Instagram back, so there is like an ig batty,
there is tint to it.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Tigi batties have transformed over the years, but back in
our day, the twenty sixteen day, it looked a certain way.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah, so we have residual.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
That residual twenty sixteen honestly.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
So EVVHD sorry, let me say that again, ev HD. Easy,
I'm going to assume it's Evan on this PhD says
in my PhD biochem program, I always tried to dress
a little professional. Meanwhile, the white male noble laureate would
show up in chank glass Hawaiian shirts and shorts. I
(40:39):
never felt I could do that screaming yeah, because if
you did it, there's probably when they would say something realistically.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
When I was going to UC Santa Barbara, the white
students on campus would walk to class bare foot. They
would skateboard bear foot four feet because we're like by
the b and they're like little hippies, one with nature,
what have you. I'm all for that, but put some
shoes on.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Truly, when I was in high school, I remember being
aghast at like my white classmates wearing flip flops to
school and like taking their flip flops off during class
and just like setting them aside and just in class
in high school unheard of, unheard of her, but they
did it. They were very casual. I never did that.
I never felt like I.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Could do that. I couldn't imagine you doing that.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Now.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
I keep my shoes on.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, yeah, even when the heels hurt.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
I've only her I keep them, keep.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
The shoes on. We have never been those girls.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
I will hobble any who enough about my feet.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
All right. Judging by the cover Dot Books, Love the
Name says, I've definitely deconstructed what quote looking nice is
working to reject traditional professionalism absolutely, and I think that
like what quote looking nice is subjective to the right
and so what like looking quote. Nice is gonna be
different to each person. Yeah, even the person with the chunk.
(42:08):
Mus Let's be honest.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
It's true. We were all born naked. The rest is drag.
That's a real Paul quote.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Oh wow, Well, this has been such an amazing conversation.
It looks like we're about to wrap up. Any final
thoughts or questions about this topic, please feel free to
drop those in now before we wrap up. But this
has been really fun.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
It has been lovely. Y'all are so engaged. Our listeners are, like,
have so much to share and talk about, and I
think we might have to do this again.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
I think so. Oh, we have a special announcement actually yes,
well two well, one is a reminder and one is
an announcement. So first, we are finalists for the Signal Awards. Huge.
We are in two categories, Arts and Culture for Look
at our Radio and Conversation Starter for Sin to Sex
d Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
And these are Listeners Choice Awards.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yes, so that means that it's up to the voters.
Up to y'all. You can help us win a Listener
Choice Award by going in and voting. It's very easy.
It's linked in our bio. You create an account, confirm
your email, and then search the genre. You can either
type in Loka Tora and both shows will come up,
or you can search by genre of arts and Culture
(43:27):
and conversation Starter. I'm not too sure about the conversation Starter,
but I will say for arts and culture, we are
the only Latinas and women of color in that category.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, so rock the vote. Voter die, you know all
of that stuff. Your vote, your vote matters. Vote for us,
Vote for us.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
We have a final, final announcement to share. If you're
on this live, you are hearing it first. We are
bringing back Loka to live a podcast party. We have
one potential date tvd on that one, but we have
a for sure locked in date that's November twenty first
(44:08):
at the Paramount. It's going to be our first live
show in years. We're bringing back the podcast party. So
expect to dance, expect to be with each other in community,
and see this in vivo, in the flesh on a stage.
It's going to be so much fun.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
The Paramount is an iconic Boil Heights music venue. We
did a show there years ago. We did look at
what our live a podcast party, Spectrum One News was
there that's right. Yeah, we screened our short film low
Keith as anonymous. There it was, We had vendors. It
was a fabulous time. And we similarly are going to
(44:48):
have interview guests, a live musical guest. We're gonna have
a DJ drinks. It's gonna be fun. So just like,
keep an eye out, yes, keep keep up with our
Instagram posts, keep with our newsletter because ticket information is
coming your way.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
Yes, mark your calendars. November twenty first, join us for
lokat A Live.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yay, all right, y'all.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Well, this wraps season ten. This was our final episode
of Loka Dora Radio season ten, and we wanted to
shake it things up, do it differently, which is why
we're here on Live with y'all today. So if you
were on the Live with us listening to it in
vivo in real time, thank you so much. If you're
listening on Wednesday when this episode drops, thank you so
(45:36):
much for tuning in to another season of Lokatoa Radio.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
And that's bye bye for now.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
All right, Well, hopefully catch you next season, y'all.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Best see us.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Look at a Radio is executive produced by Viosa Fem
and Mala.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Munios Stephanie Franco is our producer.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Story editing by Me diosa.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Creative direction by Me Mala.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Look at rad is a part of iHeartRadio's Michael Tura
podcast Network.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
You can listen to LOKAA Radio on the iHeartRadio app
or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Leave us a review and share with your Prima or
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Speaker 2 (46:11):
And thank you to our local motives, to our listeners
for tuning in each and every week.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Besitos Loca Luni
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