Lots to Say: Bobby Abroad, Brian Baldinger, and Fandom Auction!

Bobby Bones fills in Matt Cassel on his recent trip overseas and gives his do's and dont's of being abroad.  What was his favorite place to visit?  Speaking of destinations, where is Aaron Rodgers going to land?  The Lions have proposed a change to playoff seedings for Wild Card teams.  Matt explains how he feels about the rule and teams that would've benefitted from the change.   Matt and Bobby each propose rule changes they would like to see in the NFL.

NFL Network analyst Brian Baldinger gives his thoughts on Cam Ward's Pro Day and where he should go in the Draft.  Brian reveals his favorite offensive linemen in the Draft and how they can impact a mobile QB.  Which QB has seemed to go backwards after his early success, plus which team does Brian thinks improved the most this offseason?

Plus, Bobby doesn't have a favorite NFL team  so could he auction off his fandom?  Which team do YOU think could offer the consistency and greatness that Bobby is looking for in the next 5-7 years?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
We Got Lots to save. We got lots to save.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
We have back here and we hope you say because we.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Got lost, just say, yeah, we got lots to say.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Now here's Bobby in that.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Welcome to another week. Hey, it's good to see Kim, buddy.
We've been working apart for the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
We have been and it's great to see your face.
You look revived. You've been over on a European extravaganzas.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Tell us a little bit about it. Have you been
a year before?

Speaker 5 (00:50):
Yes, oh, only recently. I didn't travel much growing up.
One never really left the state of Arkansas till I
was probably almost eighteen. And that was just like to
play ball, Like we'd go and play like in St.
Louis Cardinal Baseball Stadium, like that was.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
The coolest thing. That's amazing. Lead.

Speaker 5 (01:06):
Yeah, So once I started to make a little bit
of money, I was like, I'm going to go places,
because I don't think we ever even went on a
vacation as a kid. You can go up with a
whole lot of money, so you don't go on vacation.
But then I started going to places that I would
see on TV. And so I went to Japan because
Full House, Jesse and the Rippers, Yes, of course they
got a deal went over to So I was like,
I got to go.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
To Japan, went to Japan by myself. How was that incredible?
That it's the longest flight ever, That's what I.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Heard I heard. I did hear that it was a
really really long flight.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
So tortuous but extremely clean.

Speaker 5 (01:38):
And you know how you feel walking around and everybody
else is like a few inches shorter than you.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
I feel like you there and that's awesome. You're like like,
look at the look at this. I was walking around.
They were like, are you Matt Castle.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
I was like, I am not on Bobby, but man,
I know what he feels like in America.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
So I did that.

Speaker 5 (01:53):
I've been to Ireland when I was finishing my second book.
I went the closest, farthest place away. Yes, and that's
basically what Ireland is. And because it's just like right
across the ocean, it's the first thing go to. And
I've never had drink of alcohol, So if you don't drink, hey,
crap to do in Ireland.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
Let's just say right, yeah, it was terrible.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
It's like, oh yeah, let's go to the pub, let's
go out to hit the links, do this, that or
the other. But really it's all about, you know, the
spirit of Ireland.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
And I was by myself because I wanted to go
get out of my time zone and work.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
So I went to Ireland. I got on one of
those double.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
Decker tour buses and looked at a castle. But it
was like back in the old days. I guess rich
people and poor people high castles, and I was like
to win the poor people's castle. So I was like
looking at I was like looking at my trailer park.
You got somebody, yes, somebody one hundred years that have
been at my trailer park looking at it. So I've
been to Ireland and that's when I realized it was
also an island and you can't really go anywhere from Ireland.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
So I did that. I've been to London. You've been
to London.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
London's incredible.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
Why is it incredible to you?

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Well, I believe it's probably because I was there with
the team, so we did things that I probably wouldn't
have otherwise. Done, so we went is it the armory
as all the old old, that's the word. That was incredible.
Everything's like King Henry the Ace armor well from like
the year twelve exactly.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
So I'm a little bit of a history buff.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
So you're walking around and you're looking at all the
different armor and the swords and the different weaponry that
they use. Then they go and they have got all
these different crowns from different airs and it's just unreal
how England and the power that they had back then.
But it gives you kind of insight to what that
regime was. And then we also got to see different parts.
So we stayed out at the Grove, which is outside

(03:37):
in the countryside, and you've got to experience that and
go to these small pubs and stuff out there, played
a little bit of golf, and then we went into London.
London's an overwhelming city, but then it's also got the
history right the Palace and Big Ben.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
And real history is unreal.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
The history is incredible.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
We think Dang Marrek's old buy centennial two and fifty
years try centennial doesn't happen to you, Ben Franklin, bro
That's that's an infant.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Right, it's a baby.

Speaker 5 (04:03):
There are buildings that you can just talking to and
get a slurpee from twelve hundred.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
It's crazy. So did that. So, but I went to
London because on Friends, I went to London.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
When I went to Hawaii for the first time, I
went because the Brady Bunch went to Hawaii.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
So I'm only going places by myself.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
When I started to make money because I saw it
all on television. So that was really the extent of
my traveling. Then I got married and my wife, who
has you know, really pushed me to expand we've been
to Paris a couple of times.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
It is an awesome city.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Is it Is it your favorite of all the cities
that you've been to? I think so.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
It's clean, it's safe, the museums are amazing. Everybody walking around,
which I'm not exaggerating, is like dressed up and.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
They're dressed to a tea too, right that you're.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
Like normal people in Paris walk around And I wore
a scarf. I don't really wear scarves, and I really
took some took some real punishment online for not knowing
how to wear scarf. In Arkansas, we didn't wear scarves.
But I tried it. It come my neck warm. But
my wife started calling me Edgar Allan Poe because apparently
I didn't have it right. Then we went to Germany
had the best freaking sausage. I don't even know what

(05:14):
it was.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
I'm snitchell or whatever they call it.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
No, but I did have Wiener Schnitzel, which was good
for the first time because over there there's a lot
of cranberry sauce on it.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
And yeah, and I'm.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Notberry sauce that, yeah, I know, but not big cranberry
sauce fan.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
It works though, Yeah it works.

Speaker 5 (05:31):
And again I'm not a world traveler, so the things
I'm saying could sound extremely hillbilly. But I I go
to this like market in Germany.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
We weren't in Berlin. What's another city in Germany?

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Kevin, Munich, thank you exactly where you went and I ate.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
It was like two feet long and it was just
and it was so good. And I don't like sauerkraut,
but it's covered in sauerkraut and it is mustard. It
was so good that I would take a bite of
it and then shake my head because I couldn't believe
how good it.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Was, and then you'd have another bite the whole you
finished the whole thing.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
The whole thing to all two feet of it, like
got down the whole sausage. And then went to Vienna,
which is in Austria. Never even really thought about going
to Austria.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Doun the music.

Speaker 5 (06:14):
It sounds like the junior orarsity of Australia, like if
you can't afford to go to Australia, you stopped short
in Austria because there are less letters, like that's all.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
But it was amazing, amazing, Well it's amazing beautiful country too, right,
you know.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
The first time that I go somewhere, we're only there
for two or three days. We really just do the
the city things. And the second time been to Italy
a few times now, and about the third time we went,
we started going out about like we bought, like I
told you, like a part of the Italian domestic basketball team.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
And so yeah, it's cool, so we.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Should definitely go check out the free agents going on
and yeah let's go.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Let's and iow those suckers, iew those guys. But you
know it was, it was really good.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
Again, I'm not a European dude, don't really understand some
of the vibe. My let me ask you a question,
because I do think you were one of my most
intelligent friends.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Oh that's a bold statement.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
I don't want to meet your other play the dumb guy,
but don't I watch you.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
I watch you break things down, and not even just
football like you're you will be humble, but you're highly intelligent.
And whenever I am in a foreign country, let's say Germany,
yes they will speak English.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
They speaking English everywhere, which is nice.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Of course, America is ignorant in that sense. Everybody anywhere
else you go speaks one, two, three, four or five languages.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
We barely know our own. It's not even our own,
it's Britain's. It's not even proper grammar half the time.
And so but what I'll do is I'll try to
meet them halfway. And my wife gets a little annoyed
because if they're in German and they're like Max is
terribleth like, uh, you have a reservation fu seven pm
and your hotel room is I will talk back to
them in that same accent, like thank you very much
for that, because I feel like I'm meeting them halfway.

(07:57):
I don't know their language, but they're speaking in an
accent that I feel like I'm talking back in there.
So that's a little source of contention.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
I love it.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
I don't feel like i'm but sometimes I do it,
like Asian restaurants, and I don't mean to.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Oh wow, that would be strong.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
I don't mean to, but if they have an accent,
I don't want to do that accent, but I'll do it.
I'll do an alien. Yeah, I I have brought you
your soup. I will be like, thank you for bringing
me that soup. I don't mean to soup so good. Yeah,
well you kind of hit it a little bit, but
that's it was good.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
It was great. So your wife basically would sit there
and probably smack you after a certain amount.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Of the stopped doing that, and I'm like, I'm not
doing that. Comfort I'm not doing But the whole time
I'm watching like where where the freak is? Aaron Rodgers
is gonna play football?

Speaker 5 (08:42):
So those are like the two things I was doing,
like Europe March madness and Aaron Rodgers. And I know
that you and I had both made a prediction where
you had picked the Steelers and I had picked the Giants,
and for a while, I was pretty I was feeling
pretty good. It's gonna be the Giants, I was, yes,
And now I definitely think it's ninety percent Pittsburgh. Why

(09:04):
does Aaron Rodgers make us wait, what's happening in his mind?

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Well, I think when you look at what teams he
has available, right he talked to the New York Giants absolutely,
then he I believe the destination for anybody like Aaron
Rodgers would be Minnesota.

Speaker 6 (09:19):
But they don't want him, right, but they don't want
them well, they don't want to pay him probably the
forty forty five million whatever he's going to ask for
for one year, or he's looking for a two year
deal potentially, because Minnesota would be the ideal landing spot
for any guy of that caliber, because of Justin Jefferson,
the off right addison, Aaron Jones came back, he's in

(09:42):
the backfield, you got a good offensive line, you made
some transactions this offseason free agency, and they've got a
really good defense with Brian Flores.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
So that's a team that can win right now. And
he understands that. And then Pittsburgh, they definitely made a
splash when they went out and we talked about DK
Metcalf last week, but they've got a good defense as well.
But I think that he just always likes to prolong
that because again, for him, offseason irrelevant. It's one of
those situations where he wants to go to a winner

(10:09):
and make sure it's the right situation. Then it might
be contractual. But he did go and spend six hours though,
so I would say that Pittsburgh has a leg up
on all the rest of the competition right now.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
But he loves the attention.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
And I say that as somebody whose career built off
needing attention as oxygen. I need it, That's my whole career.
But I've never seen an athlete need the attention as
much as he does. Would you agree with that?

Speaker 3 (10:36):
I believe he's at the forefront of an attention I
don't know if he's an attention seeker just at the
same time, just he is one of those guys that
naturally does it because of the things that he says.
He is a very smart, intellectual guy, will challenge just
popular thought and what people view as the norm and

(10:59):
challenge that as he did when it was COVID and
didn't want to come out and say anything in the Centurion.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
He's absolutely centurion, and I can respect that because I'm
the same. I sometimes I just like to hear myself talk.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
I'll be honest, I think he does too. Yeah, to
be honest with you, I'm not if I sat in
the room with him, I'd be a little bit intimidated
with some of the subject matter you bring up.

Speaker 6 (11:16):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
You know, sometimes you watch that Joe Rogan when he's
getting interviewed, and I'm going, man, they're getting really deep
into some seriously heavy subject matter. But it sounds I
mean the guy wanted to host Jeopardy. I mean, he's
one of those type of individuals. So he's a little
bit different in terms of his mind thought and how
he's in his intelligence level. And he's a polarizing figure
because again, he is Aaron Rodgers, the football player that

(11:38):
we know him as, which is going to be a
first ballot Hall of Famer. He's won a Super Bowl,
He's won how many three four MVPs. He's an incredible player,
and so now he's at the tail end of his
career and trying to figure out do one do I
want to keep going? At forty years old or soon
to be forty one or two? Am I going to
put myself in a position like Brady did to go
to a potential matter.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
Let me give you two questions about Aaron Rodgers and
Canting together. A number one, do you know him and
have a relationship with him?

Speaker 3 (12:21):
And then.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
Do you feel like, because he did play well the
second half of last year with the Jets, that that
was because of his help getting better or because of
the changes they had made.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
Internally with the coaching staff. So I give you a
whole bunch there.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Okay, So I know Aaron because Aaron Rodgers and I
have the same agent, Dave Done when we first came
in the league, so we were always at the different
charity events and stuff like that, and over the years
we came in in the same draft as well. So
he's one of those guys that I've had a lot
of respect for. We've always been friendly, played golf together.
But I wouldn't consider him a friend. But if I
saw him after a game or something like that, go up,

(13:02):
give him a big hug. We'd catch up with each other.
So it's one of those more part of the fraternity
type situations than it is anything else. And then in
terms of why he played better. I think it goes
hand in hand. One, he was getting healthier, and he
took a whole year off, and for any quarterback, even
if you're as established as he is and as veteran

(13:23):
as he is, the speed of the game and everything,
you have to adapt to it as you get back
into the mode of operation. And so they had their
own struggles, and then there was some changes. I'm sure
he took more influence over the offense after the head
coach got fired, their offensive coordinator got fired. He implemented
things that he really liked and that's when you started
to see him really play well. One his health was better,

(13:45):
but two, I'm sure that he was able to really
have more of a voice in terms of what was
being called.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
We're recording this late Tuesday afternoon, So if for some
reason Aaron Rodgers ends up playing for like the Argonauts
or something, we totally miss he's going to Canada, Yes,
then we just miss. You know, we missed it by
a few hours. But I don't expect he's going to
be making a decision real soon. One of the other
things that happened over the last week was the playoff
seating suggestion by the Lions, and I'm want to read

(14:13):
the story and mostly it's are U F fan of
this proposal. But the NFL's annual league meeting coming up
in a couple of weeks, teams have already started to
submit their rule changes or their proposals for possible changes,
or their proposals for let's look at the rules and
see if they need to be changed. It's kind of
a three level one percent, so the thirty two owners

(14:36):
go in. It definitely feels like the Illuminati or there's
a movie called The Conclave.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
Where did you like it?

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah? It was awesome. It's really good. It's like how
the pope' vote for a hundred percent where they lock
them in the room, like we're not leaving here.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
That's what I feel like. They're half you guys might die.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
But we're gonna put off the smoke.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
Where'd you watch the movie?

Speaker 3 (14:54):
I watched it at home.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
I watched another plane. It was sick.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
It was good, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, so much controversy
to around that. Okay, never mind going but.

Speaker 5 (15:00):
I feel like that's what this is going in and
they'll let the white smoke out whenever the rule is
media later, the Lion's proposal is to amend the current
postseason seeding format to allow wildcard teams to be seated
higher than division champions if the wildcard team has a
better regular season record, And so me breaking it down

(15:21):
in my simple version, it would be like a team
like Tampa Bay that ends up a game under five
hundred because now there's an odd number of games. Yet
they still win their division, but they get the four
seed in a home game over a team that has
a better record. So how do you feel about a
division winner not getting a home game.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
Because they have a worse record.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
I don't like it. You know, everybody's division is a
little bit different from a competitive standpoint, And I understand
what they're saying, because you look at the Minnesota Vikings
this year that was fourteen and three.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
The whole NFC North was like, yeah, the whole NFC North.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Yes, like the entire the entire division was up there.
That would have been probably one through four whatever it
might be in the division sayings for potential home games,
and then the other teams, whoever the division winners would
would be the wildcard because they have lesser So it's interesting,
but it's always been this way, and I feel like
there's teams. For instance, when I was playing in two

(16:20):
thousand and eight, we played the Arizona Cardinals late in
the season, they had already clinched like I don't know,
week five, but they had a week division. They finished
like eight and eight that season. They went on as
a wildcard team and no, they had actually a home game,
but they went and all the way to the Super
Bowl and play the Steelers, lost in the last minute
of the Steelers. So you never know what teams are
going to get hot. Same thing with the Washington Commanders

(16:43):
this year and Jayden Daniels and what they did going
to the NFC Championship Game. It all depends on how
you play at the end of the year. And so
was Minnesota Vikings where they playing their best football at
the end of the year. No, but they had one
of the best regular season records. But then you look
at the LA Rams and they might not have had
the elite record that those teams had, but they were
rolling and they gave Philadelphia the best shot of anybody

(17:05):
to defeat them in the playoffs. So I like the
way that it's formatted right now. I do like that
the two top teams get the buy and a home
field advantage, and then from there you're the division winners.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
Just one gets a buy now just one?

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Right one?

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Oh yeah, yeah, it used to be two. Used to
be two on each side, right yeah, now one? Okay,
I'm with you.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
I think if it ain't broke, let's not worry about
fixing that because there are broken things, right, And you're right.
Every division is different and every team is playing a
different type schedule, And the one constant.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Is if you win your division, you get a home game.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Right And there's years Look, you're having your division, might
be it having a down year, but you still have
an opportunity to go make the playoffs and make some
noise in the playoffs if you get on get that
momentum at the right period of time where there's other
teams that can play great all season long, but then
all of a sudden, they just for whatever reason, don't
play well when they hit the playoffs and they're out

(17:57):
in the first round. So it doesn't always make common
sense of why one team goes far in the playoffs
one team doesn't. But at the end of the time,
I don't mind how the rule stands right now.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
So speaking of rule changes, a little exercise we're going
to do here. Okay, two rule changes.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
You get one.

Speaker 5 (18:16):
Proposal that actually you'd like to see that makes sense,
and then one wild one, and I'll go first.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
The one that I would like to see that I
think would make sense.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
A rule change would be if there is a pass
interference and I'm not even doing the fifteen versus the
forty yards, I don't mind that.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
I don't mind that. I know a lot of people
have problem with that. I don't mind. I'm good with it.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
No, i'd want to see that changed.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
Okay, and you can use Hey, feel free to have it,
because I'm not touching that one.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
No, no, no touch it.

Speaker 5 (18:43):
I don't like touching it. I don't like when you
say that makes me feel weird, but okay, I know
it does makes Here's what I would say. If there
is a forty five yard pass and it is past interference, right,
and they throw the flag and you get the forty
five yards, that wide receiver in the quarterback should.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Get the yards.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Oh, that would be the rule change that I would
make that I think makes sense.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
The sensible rule change is you just cheated. It's basically
a flag is a cheat. You just cheated to eliminate
my ability to catch the ball or my ability to
throw the ball. I should get the yards that we
just got from that penalty.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
I'll change that. And it's also in the NBA. I
would compare it to if you make your free throws.
Let's say you get fouled.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
And you make your free throws, the person who gave
you the assist when you missed your shot because.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Of the get the assist. Okay, okay, I see where
you're going with this.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
So that would be my legitimate change.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
Now my stupid change, and I think would be hilarious
is whomever scores the touchdown, It doesn't matter if they
are the wide receiver, the running back, the quarterback. They
kick the extra point, but it's worth three.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
I actually like that one. I like that one.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
And so it's still back at where it is now.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Uh huh.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
But but whoever scores the touchdown actually has to kick.
If Tyreek Hill scores the free touch down, you got
to kick it.

Speaker 5 (20:13):
He gets the he doesn't have to, but he has
the opportunity now to kick the field goal for three points,
the extra point for three points.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
That's fantastic. You know what, I can't even match that
with anything in my brain right now, because I never
even thought of that, even though there's sometimes the big
guy touchdowns where they you know, fake one way and
throw it back to the tackle eligible. How great would
that be to see an offensive lineman try to kick
a field goal for three points? I think it's fantastic.
I'm going to go with that and I'm not even
going to change anything about that at all. That's very

(20:42):
creative and fantasank you very much. How long did it
take you to come up with that?

Speaker 5 (20:45):
I've always wanted to see the person who scored the
touchdown kick the field goal and then now that they
moved it back, I think like to watch Samir Gibbs.
But the team has to decide. They're strategy involved too,
like they don't have to. You still want a kicker
that's going to kick ninety percent of the time, Like.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
You've got to think even more as an offensive corder.
We're down here in the red zone, guys, do we
really want to give it to the tight end here?

Speaker 4 (21:04):
They want to tear it? Want worse? Did we did
the Patman touchdown? It won't worst kicking it for three like.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
That, but you're but at that point you could be
down by you could be down and you need that
three points. See, I like this, this is thank you,
this is fantastic.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Give me a traditional change, traditional change.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
You know, defensive holding has always been an interesting one,
and I'm interested because we just talked about two defensive them.
I'm an offensive guy. I mean, I used to love
when I throw the ball fifty yards on field and
they give us the ball on the five yard line.
I'm like, we even have to do anything. I don't
even know. I think I overthrew this guy by ten yards,
but the guy clearly pass interference. So but defensive holding,

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you could be second and twenty. But as soon as
you get a defensive holding, and that's usually in defensive
backfield or something like that, it's an automatic first dound.
But it's only five yards, so you move up five yards,
so it's not one of those significant fifteen yards or
something like that. It is a five yard penalty, but
you automatically get a first down. Significant as significant because

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it keeps a change moving, and it usually happens, like
I said, it's a passing situation. It's a third and
long something like that, where guys get grabby, there's some
contact downfield judgment call they hold or they grab the guy,
and immediately it's a first down. I think that they
should look at that also quarterback protection, how.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
Would you do it differently when they say when you
say look at that, how propose what I'm looking at though?

Speaker 3 (22:26):
And so say you want for me look, say it's
a spot foul. Okay, so say you're ten yards downfield
defensive holding. It's not a five yard penalty. It's a
defensive spot foul. But still if it's third and fifteen
and you hold at eight yards, you get the ball
eight yards further up in a replay of downs.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
That's what I do. And no first no first down.
You think the first down is too much? I think
it's too after five yards on it.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
If you're just giving him a five yard penalty and
I co signed, I like that, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm
gonna go with that. And then the quarterback play. I
know we're trying to protect these quarterbacks, but some of
these hits that they're calling or landing on top of
the quarterback, I think it's becomes so overblown in the
protection of the quarterback that it just makes us look soft.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
We're a tough league, man. You gotta get hit every
now and then.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
That one I have trouble subscribing to only because you
ever watch a game of two backup quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
It's awful, look, and that's how I got my start.
Let me alone. I hear you, and you know what
you took and you earned. You gotta earn it, bro
this but that's what you sign up for the game.
But most aren't you. Most aren't you. Hey, hey, that's
what happens.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Man.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
You got to always be prepared.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
I'm watching the backup for the Bears versus the backup
for the Packers, and it's the Thursday night Amazon game.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
It's rude. Then you might as well do two hind
touchback there. I'm okay with that, you're okay with that.

Speaker 5 (23:47):
I'm okay with protecting valuable assets period.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
They're all valuable. That's true. There's only thirty two of them,
and if you lose them, you're taking a step back.

Speaker 4 (23:55):
How many quarterbacks do you think we need to go
down for them to call you?

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Oh, man, a lot. They'd be like, Castle, can you
come in for a workout? And they see me and
they're like Nope, not today. We're gonna make you run
a thirty instead of a forty.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
Brian Baldinger come up in a second. Thank you guys
for being here.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
This has lots to say. Give us one second.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
We'll be back.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Now. We're gonna go over and chat with NFL network analysts.
Brian Baldinger, also known as Baldy Baldy, played for over
a decade as an NFL lineman and is known for
being the best in the biz when it comes to
breaking down film in the trenches. He was also at
cam Orge pro day this week, so it'll be great
to pick his brain on how it went to see

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him in person. Big thanks to Baldi for coming on.
Go follow him on social media at Baldy NFL. He's
got some incredible videos on here. And here is Brian Baldinger, right.
How you doing, man? I know you're one of the
hardest working people, and I know that you were just
down in Miami to watch cam Ward. In terms of
his performance on his pro day, do you think that

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he validated and solidified himself as a potential or the
number one pick in this year's draft.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I think so.

Speaker 7 (25:20):
I'm gonna see Chador on April fourth out and Boulder,
and so that might change a little bit once you
see him, you know how it is Matt Like, once
you start watching guys throw, you kind of kind of
see how they you know, their footwork, their torque, their balance,
Like the ball comes out hot. You know it's pretty accurate.
He's doesn't have the tightest spiral, but you know it

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gets to where he wants to go.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
I think he's got good movement, you know.

Speaker 7 (25:46):
I think it helped him that he stayed in school
and played in Miami last year.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
I think he had probably good tape at Washington.

Speaker 7 (25:53):
State, but I thought last year probably really helped him.
And just his you can just tell like he's very
very comfortable guy. He's very outgoing. Players just gravitate towards them.
And I think the Pro Day validated to answer your question,
think A validated a lot of things that people wanted
to see.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
I know this is an annoying question, but I'm gonna ask
it anyway. When it comes to cam Ward and the
quarterbacks in this class. But if cam Ward were in
last year's class, would he have still been a number one,
number two, number three quarterback?

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Where were he have fallen?

Speaker 5 (26:27):
In the Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, bow Knicks list.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Well, I mean Michael Pennix went eight, you know, to Atlanta.

Speaker 7 (26:34):
Would he have jumped in front of I love Michael
Pennix coming out, and I thought Atlanta would take them,
but he might have jumped in front of them.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
I might have jumped in front of JJ bo Knicks.
I feel like Sean just had something.

Speaker 7 (26:50):
With that kid, like that might not have changed if
Sean had a chance, you know, to do it all
over again, if he had a chance between bow and Cam,
I think he would still stay with bow Nicks. I
just think there was some I don't know connection would
between those two early on.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
So, Brian, I know you played offensive line.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
When you look at this year's class, who's your guy
that you say he's for sure the number one offensive
lineman in this class or do you not have one?

Speaker 7 (27:20):
I think, honestly, I think Tyler Booker is the best
lineman in this draft. Like, I don't care how fast
he runs. He's a guard and you know he just
the defensive taxes this league are just getting bigger and stronger,
and you're playing quarterback in the pocket when that middle
gets collapsed. I mean, you're you can allude the edge
to a degree, you can't elude the guys run up

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the middle. You better get guys that can just keep
that pocket flat. I was around him this year. It's interesting,
mat I go to this ol Masterminds in Dallas every
year and it.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Was really heavily attended.

Speaker 7 (27:54):
But these guys with this nil money, now, these college
kids are all coming to it. So the whole Alabama
offensive line game like seven guys all set at the table.
So I met Tyler Bookers last summer in Dallas, and
so he introduced himself. Really nice kid, and we said down.
He wanted me to break down his tape against Georgia. Hey,

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can we can you find time? Cald You just go
through it.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Tell me what you think.

Speaker 7 (28:19):
He's really open to any criticism or suggestions. But you
think he's really coachable and so he's just clean. You
don't have to ever worry about it. To me, he's
Tracey Smith. If you watch Tray Smith in Kansas City,
the guy is the highest paid guarden football, Like he's
a rock.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I feel like Tyler Booker is going to be that
guy in this draft.

Speaker 5 (28:40):
We've watched quarterbacks become way more mobile over the past five, six,
fifteen years. Now quarterbacks that are just drawback guys can
move as well. But how has that changed with the
offensive linemen and how they have had to adjust because
now everybody can move.

Speaker 7 (28:56):
It's an issue, honestly, Bobby I played with Randall Cunningham,
and I mean Randall was a great talent, but you
never knew where he.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Was going to go.

Speaker 7 (29:04):
And he was like you original, you know, scrambler in
this modern day type of quarterback, you know, and it
was I mean some days, you know, you brankful that
it was your quarterback, and then some days you're like,
he's sacking himself, you know, just leaving a pocket, and
so it was kind of difficult. But I think there's
always kind of a dance that has to take place

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between your quarterback and your offensive line. I don't think
anybody create Humphrey tray Smith, you know, I don't think
anybody in Kansas City ever looks at you know, Patrick
and says, where the hell are you going? Like he's
just won their overall trust. But I think there's some quarterbacks,
I know, even in Philadelphia Jalen Hurts, there's the issue
some Sunday about when he takes off, why he takes off,

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where he's going, why he's holding it so long. I mean,
it's just the feedback from the guys up front. So,
but you know, the college the pro game can only
take what the college game gives us, and that's what
they're giving us. They're giving us these mobile quarterbacks for
the most part, that can move, and so you got
to kind of build these offenses around some of their
abilities like that, well to piggyback off that you talk.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
About how you've got these more mobile quarterbacks. But also
the scheme has dramatically changed, specially in college, with the
RPO game and the zone read, and they're not running
these traditional offenses that you see in the NFL. Do
you feel like the offensive linement coming out in this
day and age are pro ready or they have more
work to do because of the systems that they ran

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in college coming into the NFL.

Speaker 7 (30:36):
It's a good question, Matt. I think they're far less
prepared than they were, like say, ten years ago, with
the advent of what you described the college offenses. I mean,
the guys their past protection is actually a little bit
better than it used to be, but the run blocking
is awful. Like the run blocking schemes in college are

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just so different the NFL. Very few teams in college
run power football countertraits. This is stuff that you know
that you lean on the NFL and then the play
action passes offen So I feel like guys are really
and then just I was at University of Miami practice today,
Matt so Mario Christobal, to his credit, he's an old
school coach. I mean they're doing half line inside drills.

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I mean it's full contact. It looked like an old
school practice to me. And he really prides.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Himself on that. So you might see kids coming.

Speaker 7 (31:27):
Out of a program like that maybe a little better
and a little more advanced and prepare for the NFL
than some of these big twelve schools I'd watched for
a long time where you know, they're they never get
in a three point stance, you know they you know
it's they're never running a pro run scheme. I mean
Cliff Kingsbury, to his credit, I mean when it's at
Texas Tech, I mean they just spread you out to running.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
They basically ran draws. You know, that was the run game.

Speaker 7 (31:51):
So but that's so I think some of these guys
are as prepared as they need to be.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
There seem to be body part deficiencies that become an
issue every year. If it's Bryce Young's hide, if it's
Canny Pickt's hand, if it's Will Campbell's arm length, which
is what now we're talking about, or is arms long
enough to actually hold off, you know, at defensive end.
Is that actually going to matter whenever it's time to draft, you.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Know, it really depends on the player. I mean, everybody's different.

Speaker 7 (32:21):
I remember when Dion Dawkins came out of Temple, they
said he's a guy. I am going to befriend Dion
when he was when playing. I was living in Philly,
so I knew the kid, and everybody said he's going
to be a guard.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Except he's been to like three or four straight Pro
Bowls at left.

Speaker 7 (32:35):
Tackle and never misses a game, never misses an opportunity.
But you've seen Zach Martin was left tackle, no dame,
he's you know, an all world, you know, Hall of
Fame guard. Quentin Nelson was a left tackle, no dame.
You know, he's an all world left guard. So I
think it depends that this Will Campbell though, to me,

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he wins with his feet. He's got excellent feet, and
so I feel like he can play left tackle. Rashaun Slater,
who came in to set the world on fire at
left tackle for the chart Archers, they said the same
thing about him, this pretty similar arm length, but he's
so strong that literally Miles Garrett Campede, nobody goes through him.
And so I think it really depends on the player,

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and every player is different. I believe Will Campbell can
play a lot of tap.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Brian, you played in the league for a long time
and you had a lot of probably different relationships with
quarterbacks that came in as young guys, as rookies. Did
you ever notice that you immediately could see that this
guy was going to be special or is it was
something that you always felt that just because the guy
was drafted high as a quarterback, they still had to
earn your respect. And was there ever a quarterback also

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to peek back off that that you did not like
that came in.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't want to anim any
names here, s this I know.

Speaker 7 (34:08):
We had a quarterback from Florida State when I was
in the Philadelphia third round pick looked a lot like
Joe Montana. Man, that's as close to the name I'm
gonna give you. Like he came into the huddle in
the preseason game. He couldn't call him play, literally couldn't
call him play like you know what I mean. Like,
we had a quarterback that came from the USFL in
Dallas who were literally a headset and a hoodie to

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every single meeting, but they wanted to see if he
could play or not play. So it's week sixteams the
end of the season, we're not going anywhere. They throw
him into the huddle. They throw him in to start
the game to see and I'm not gonna say his name,
but I mean he was just awful. Like I don't
care what he did in the USFL. He won an
NFL quarterback. But then you played with guys like Jim
McMahon and you're like, Jim McMahon could come off like

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he could roll out of a hospital bed with a
splattered spleen and he could take it right down.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
The field, you know. I mean, there's you know.

Speaker 7 (34:59):
The position is just so unique and the type of personalities,
the type of leader that can just get the job
done might not be the most athletic best RMF stuff.
I mean, Jim McMahon was one of my favorite quarterbacks,
favorite players of all time. He was ambidexter's. He could
throw a left handed, right handed, he could kick right left,
right foot, left foot, he could drop kick like he

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was just an athlete. He had a I remember going
to his house in Chicago one time. He had a
racquetball court in the middle of his house and he
challenged anybody to play racketball any time of the day if.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
You just drank it, you know, a quarter of whiskey
and Tim Beer's and wanted to go play racketball.

Speaker 7 (35:38):
He's ready to go playing backtball Like that's I mean,
everybody's got Jim McMahon stories, but you know, there's nothing
special physically about Jim except he just knew.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
How to play.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
Be the Titans, you're on the clock, well.

Speaker 7 (35:52):
I mean I think yesterday, Like I've never seen the
head coaches there, right, So Ryan Callahan is there, general
managers there. They got two members of their social media
team following around everywhere. They've got the lead writer from
the Tennessee in there, like the whole organization is there

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to see them. And at some point in his Jorda's workout,
he just said, have I solidified by position with you guys?
And they all kind of smiled, and I feel like
it's not gonna take long for them to, you know,
to walk Campbwoors name up there to be the guy.
I don't think you're going to trade the pit. I
don't think they're you know, they're bluffing. I mean, I

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think it's a month away, but I feel like that's going.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
To be their guy. Right.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
You also do what you call this Baldy breakdown. And
I love these right because they're true football. You're talking
about scheme, you're talking about whether it's the pass game,
the zone. You're breaking down players. When did this all start?
Because I love watching those videos. I think that they're
special and they're also super informative for anybody watching.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Well, I appreciate that, Matt.

Speaker 7 (36:58):
Honestly, I'll give you that story, but I just want
to ask you one question, because the one thing that
seems like it bugs people about them is there's no.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
High tech to it.

Speaker 7 (37:10):
It's like, I just want you to feel like you're
in the film room like you were for fourteen years,
you know, and you're going through these plays, why it worked,
why it didn't work, who played well? Who was superhuman?
What should have we done? So I just want to
get inside the game. But I can do all the
technology stuff. I can do all the bells and whistles.
I got all those you know, all of those websites

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to do it. It just takes too long. But honestly,
I used to do this show at the NFL Network
on Monday mornings called The Aftermath, and I would do
games on Saturday and college Sunday in the pros and
then fly to La do the show.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
And I would get up like at three or four.

Speaker 7 (37:50):
In the morning and try to watch as many games
I could, so I knew what I was talking about.
And I just started to put my iPhone up and
I just got an iPhone. I had a flip phone forever.
I just put my iPhone up there and started kind
of just videoing some of these things. It just seemed
to connect, but was weird though, Matt. It connected with fans,
but it was connected.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
With the players right away.

Speaker 7 (38:13):
The players like the fact that somebody that actually knew
a little bit about the game was actually talking about them,
and maybe players that don't get mentioned a lot offensive
lineman whatever.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
So I just started having fun with.

Speaker 7 (38:25):
It and it just sort of connected caught fire, and
I just said, well, now I got what the problem became.
You couldn't just do Dallas and Kansas City or Philadelphia
and you know, uh, Kansas City like.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Pre shoot, you had to do all sixteen games.

Speaker 7 (38:40):
So then I was like, oh, hell, now you've got
to like really go to work, you know, because now
these people get pissed off if you don't talk about
Jacksonville or you know, the Atlanta Falcons, you know when
they were stinking. So now I'm like kind of forced
to watch in all of them.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
You mentioned Jacksonville. I want to ask quarterback a question
about Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
What is he? Is he a thing? What's happening?

Speaker 2 (39:01):
He's going backwards about me? Yeah, he's he has been injured.

Speaker 7 (39:06):
Now he's been injured, so you know, I don't know
the severity of some of these injuries that he's played
with the last two years.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
The ankle two years ago, last year. I know the
work ethic is there.

Speaker 7 (39:16):
I spent time with him, but all he's seen is
the sea of change since he's been there, starting with
Urban Meyer and you know, I mean, it's just been
one change after another, so I think quarterbacks want to
find some rhythm to what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
The receiving and corps.

Speaker 7 (39:31):
Has changed every year, It's going to change again. No,
Christian Kirk, No, Evan Ingram. I sound like I'm making
excuses for him, But there is some consistency that you
have to build upon year after year.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
But ideally he just has not been able to.

Speaker 7 (39:46):
Play big in big moments, I would say, and that's
kind of how most quarterback gets measured.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
We mentioned fourth quarter comebacks.

Speaker 7 (39:55):
And game winning drives and all that kind of stuff,
and there's just not a big resume of those games
for him at this point. And I think, you know,
I talked to him last year after he got his contract,
is relieved that everybody wants to just go back to.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Work and I don't have to worry about it.

Speaker 7 (40:10):
But at the same time, you got to produce, and
sometimes it's not even the core of guys that are
with you every year. It's up to you to make
that core. It's up to you to make that receiver special,
and I don't know that he's been able to do
that yet. I mean, Evan Inger put up some good
numbers his first two years.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Christian Kirk had.

Speaker 7 (40:29):
One good year, but for the most part, people just
made a lot of excuses for him. No run game,
offensive lines average, all that stuff is true, But I
feel like in big moments, he's got to play better.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Of all the teams that have gone through free agency
in this early signing period and all the different things
that go on in the offseason, from a business standpoint,
what team do you think has improved the most just
from the players that they brought in and improved their
roster this season in terms of the free agency market
and what they've been able to acquire this offseason.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Well, I would say Chicago.

Speaker 7 (41:02):
I mean, the Chicago's coaching staff was a visible you know,
so maybe Ben Johnson can help.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
It was just a disaster.

Speaker 7 (41:09):
Coaches fired, offensive coordinators fired, quarterback coaches elevated. I mean,
really wasn't fair to caleeb the offensive line. I I'm
friends with Matt Pryor, he's a buddy of mine. He's
not a starting guard in this league. He's just not
Like the line was terrible, So let me go out there,
and it really improved the interior three of that offensive line,
you know, through free agency add Ben Johnson as a coordinator.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
I think Chicago.

Speaker 7 (41:32):
I mean, if we're going to see Caleb make a jump,
you know, in his second year, I think this is
the year you're going to see a real jump.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
I mean how many times he was sacked.

Speaker 7 (41:40):
Some of it was his fault, for sure, some of
it He's just got to play from the pocket better
than he does, and trust is the routes and the
protection better than he did. But I feel like Chicago's
made a big jump. I think Washington has made a
significant jump. I mean literally Tunsil. There's too many penalties
from him last year, but there's only a couple of
guys that could be as consistent in protection as Laraman Tunsalls.

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I think getting him Deebo, letting Cliff work with him,
you know, bringing Bobby Wagner back. I think they've done
some significant things on a team with an elite young
quarterback in Jayden.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
Right now, final question, and I'm obsessed with players that
have shown glimpses of greatness but had a lot of
expectation coming in, which is why I mentioned Trevor Lawrence.
But also I want to ask about Kyle Pitts because
that's a guy at Florida. He was a wide receiver,
but he was a tight end. But he was like
nothing I had ever seen that was a hybrid of

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that position. And in the NFL with Atlanta you would
see flashes, but nothing ever consistent.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
What is Kyle Pitts.

Speaker 7 (42:46):
I think he's somewhat damaged goods right now. I mean
I talked to Arthur Smith Jerdy Combine, he's the offensive
coordinator for the head coach who drafted Kyle Pitts, and
he thought he was he was on a good arc
his rookie year, and then he got hurt in his
second year and you know, tore.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Up his knee for good. And he doesn't think he's
been the same since.

Speaker 7 (43:09):
He's a real hybrid tight end, at least in theory.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
He's not a great blocker. He doesn't separate.

Speaker 7 (43:18):
He's not a red zone threat like Chaun Payton would
take an elite tight end like he had Jimmy Graham,
name of God, and he's you know, Sean just happened to.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Be maniacal about red zone offense. And he goes to
his tight end.

Speaker 7 (43:32):
Give me a six foot five tight end that's got
lanked and leaping nobility. Let me put the ball in
the rim, let me just go to him. And they've
never done it to compits, He's never been a go
to guy. Drake London maybe okay, but I feel like
we're never gonna see just because of the injury, I
don't know that he's ever gonna be able to run
like he did coming out of Florida.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Pau do.

Speaker 5 (43:52):
We really appreciate the time. We love the work that
you do. We watch it when you're not watching us. Yeah,
it's awesome, and thank you for the cam update. And
we now will put our money on the Titans drafted
cam Ward.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Yeah, number one over over one overall.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (44:07):
I don't know if you can make any money on
that betting line right now cam Ard at Tennessee, but
you know, if you can make a few bones, put
the ball, put the money on there right now, I'd
say it's pretty pretty good selection.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
We appreciate you, hope you have a good rest of
the week. Thanks for the time, Thank you, thanksball, thank you,
Bell appreciate it. I want to position this as in.

Speaker 5 (44:41):
Matt Castle is the one that got away players that
you played with or against who you think should have
or would have been stars had they been in the
right system or had the right coaching, Because you've said
many times and now I'm a massive subscriber to your
newsletter of you need to be in the right system
to thrive.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Right, you know, it's always difficult because as player, even
for me, you have to adapt to your surroundings. In
offensive scheme, because when I came from New England, we
were a machine. We did things a certain way. Off season,
we were super regimented, we would go through stuff, we'd
get quizzed during the off season. All these and also

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how you handled protections. You were just a machine. Then
all of a sudden, I went to Kansas City. Chan
Gailey was our offensive coordinator who had a lot of
success as an offensive coordinator, but it was a brand
new system and it was foreign to me about some
of the concepts that when I came from New England
it was like, well, we would never throw this against
this coverage, but we would just call and run it.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
And it was a different way to look at it
view it.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
And so what I learned because I fought the system
a little bit my first year in Kansas City is
you have to try to be able to adapt and
buy in, because if you don't buy in at all,
you're never going to be successful. You got to figure
it out and find ways to be successful. So there's
a lot of different players. It might not always be scheme.
But well, a guy that I remember playing with here
actually in Tennessee, Marcus Mariota. He came in and it

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was his second year, was my first year here, and
I was in the year like eleven at that point,
maybe a year twelve, and he was a stut I mean,
freak athlete, could throw it and had a tremendous year
that year. I thought he was going to go to
the Pro Bowl. He threw twenty nine touchdowns maybe like
seven seven to nine interceptions.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
But then the next year is when he got hurt.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
And sometimes it's not even about scheme as much as
it is you get hurt and it sets you back,
and he broke I think his fib and tib and
it was a nasty well. The year after that when
he came back from that late in the year, that
was my first year actually I was here late in
the late late in the year. He came back that
next year and he was not ready to go yet,

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but he pushed himself because he's the starting guy, he's
the franchise guy, but his ankle wasn't ready, and so
systematically we had to adapt a little bit because the
things that we did before with the zone read and
some of the running ability that he had. You had
to protect him against himself because he was an ultra
competitive guy, would do anything for the team. But he
just continued to get banged up and hurt throughout his career,

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and so he was one of those guys that I
always thought was going to be in the upper achalon
of quarterbacking, but injuries set him back, and then the
view of him was always like, well, he's an outstanding
player when he's playing, but because of the injuries, it
took its toll, and then he was viewed as, Okay,
he's a good guy to come in and spill for
a few games, but you just don't know if you're

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going to have him on the field.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
You're not going to say this because you're you and
you're a humble guy, but don't you feel a little
bit of that as you in Kansas City?

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Maybe to a certain extent. I mean a lot of
times when you go into situation you don't. You're just told, hey,
this is where you're going. I was traded to Kansas City.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
But you got a great year and you get hurt, right.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
And then I had the Pro Bowl year in twenty
ten and in Kansas City. Next year, I come back
and we started the year real slow, Don't get me wrong.
We were zero and three, but we started to roll
a little bit one five straight and then I broke
my hand, brought in Kyle Wharton, and then from there
there was all these question marks about Castle as a player. Castle,
is he going to come back healthy? It was a hand.

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Next year, we're bringing Brady Quinn, who was at the
time still kind of a bridge guy. But I do
remember getting hurt that my fourth year there, I had
a concussion against Baltimore and Brady Quinn comes in the game.
And then the next week I come in the building
and I was right. Actually Brady Brady Quinn played that
next week because I wasn't able to go. And then
they called me in and said, hey, we're going to
start Brady Quinn this next game. And it was one

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of those tough, real conversations that you've got to kind
of swallow your pride as a man and say, how
am I going to act? Because I really like Brady
and I think he was a really good player. But
at the end of the day, it was difficult to
swallow something like that when you know, wait, I lost
my job because of injury and now I'm not getting

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it back. Even though Brady Quinn went in in the
first quarter, God bless him, he had a migraine headache
and he said he couldn't see anything out of his peripheral.
We're in the first quarter of the Raiders game. I'm
backing up for the first first game that I'm back,
and he goes, I can't see anything. I can't I
was like, that is a bad deal. What do you mean.
I'm sitting there like kind kind of lase fair, like

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this is this bull but you know, and then he
comes over literally first series or something like that, and
he says, I can't see And next thing I know,
I'm back on the field first quarter. Because Raddy Quinn
has a migrant he's out for the rest of the game.
So then I go on to start multiple games after that.
So it's just a weird dynamic, you know, especially quarterback play,
because only one guy can play and if you don't

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get it done and not successful. Or it could be you,
it could be the team, it could be anything that
they want to make a switch, to make a switch
Daniel Jones' case in point this year, I like.

Speaker 4 (49:59):
Tim Couch was that guy.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
If we're going back, I like, if you can go
to the terrible, terrible, terrible Browns.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
I thought he was going to be a stud too.
Was he the number one overall? Yes, number one overall
goes to Cleveland gets.

Speaker 5 (50:12):
Shellacked, and anybody that goes to Cleveland is on the
struggle bus. For a little while, I really felt Tim
Couch was a guy that, had he landed somewhere else,
would have been more substantial when it comes to how
we talk about our quarterbacks. But I think what you
said about Mario reminded me of your career. I knew
you wouldn't say that, but you're right. Getting injured does

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affect many dynamics.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
It takes you off course, you know, is what it does.
In Brady was the one that always used to say
it when I was a young guy. He's like, you
never want to see somebody else doing your job, because
there's always somebody else out there that has a story.
Like I did. When Brady goes down and you step
up and you play well, well, that puts thoughts in
the back of an organization's Mike, can we get this
guy for cheaper or is he the answer? Or is

(50:59):
it because our team around him is really good? You
just you always if you can go, you always try
to go.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
When you were playing, was there a cornerback that you
hated to see? And I asked that because they just
signed Stanley to a big deal in Houston, and so.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
He's making thirty million a year. He's shut down. He's
a shutdown as a get shut down right now. I
think you guys like Duel Reeves when you pay okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Because he was physical at the line of scrimmage, but
at the same time he could easily back off and
play a catch technique where he would bait you a
little bit. He'd make you think, okay, I'm going to bail.
But then he'd have that flat responsibility or jump routes,
and he the best cornerbacks that you play against Champ
Bailey's of the world, Daryl Revis. Guys like that, they're

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so savvy in terms of they study your route concepts,
they study the wide receiver splits. So if you're running
an out route and you're one of these teams that splits, matter, well,
you're gonna be on the inside edge of the numbers.
If you're running some type of ends you might in
breaking route, you might be two yards removed from the
numbers on the outside. But they study formationally where you're
set up, and then also conceptually, okay, if this guy

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goes the flat right now, anticipate this and that's when
they get really good and jump jump jump certain routes.
But they also have tremendous ball skills. Right, They're not
only smart, but they have the physical ability to transition,
to get on the wide receivers, to lock them down,
to make it difficult on you, make it muddy as
a quarterback. But then they've got the ball skills to
finish it. And those guys are intimidating as how to

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go up against.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
It seems like a guy that would have strength that
could play someone off the line, but also, like you
said with Reeves, could back off and had the quickness
but also the brains. That seems like that'd be like
the holy trinity of a defensive back.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
That's what makes those guys Hall of Fame, tap players.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
Jam him if he needed to, and play him, could
back off and play the quarterback or the route and
also just dick with you, right you not knowing what
he's and then to be smart and have physically the speed,
the quickness and the strength that that feels like would
be miserable to go against. I just would never look
at that side, or I would try not to look

(53:10):
at that side of the field. Was there ever a
part of your career where it's like, Man, I don't
want to throw that direction, but if I don't, then
I've shut off a whole side of the field and
they know I'm not going that direction.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
And that's the thing that you've got to play that
happy balance. You've got to challenge them at times because
if not, then they lean those safeties all to one
side over the other three three wide receivers that you have.
So here in three by one formation, they're always going
to cheat to the three wide receiver side and say, oh, well,
the one on one shut down revis is over there.
Don't go after him. But you've got to be able
to challenge him at times. You've got to be smart

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about it, and you've got to understand what you're trying
to get done. But at the same time, when the
opportunity presents itself, you can't be that intimidated or scared
of any certain player because you've still got to go
through your reads, and if the read takes you there,
you've got to be able to trust the fact that
your guys is going to go out and compete, and
at the very worst, it's an incomplete pass.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
You know, I don't have a favorite team. Really.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
I thought you're a big Titans guy.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
No, they're not good and I didn't go up here.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
And I like the colors. The colors are slow. I
say this all the time, The Titans colors are slow.
You can only run so fast in that color of uniform.

Speaker 7 (54:18):
You know.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
I didn't take out of the Navy blue helmets, so that
was that was an.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
Upgrade for sure.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
Occasionally there's like a four percent upgrade with the Titans.
And I think if they won, it would be better
because when the Jaguars suck, they their colors are terrible.
When they're winning, I'm like, man, that's got swag out there.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
But like, I don't have a favorite team.

Speaker 5 (54:37):
I grew up in Arkansas, and I'm a massive Razorbacks fan,
so and that's all to me. But everybody was a
Cowboys fan because Jerry Jones played in the Arkansas football
team won the National championship. Jimmy Johnson played on the
same team on the National Championship. And we have the
Jerry Jones Football Complex University of Arkansas. That's why Jerry
Jones let me come and ride in his chopper with
them and hang out with them. But I don't have

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a favorite NFL team. Who should my favorite team be?
Because I don't want to be a front runner because
nothing about me.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Is a front Oh you should absolutely be a front runner.
Front runner just like my youngest son is. I'm telling you,
he's got more shirts or sweaters from the only the
teams that are winning. He's got a Buffalo Bills, he's
got a Chiefs definitely has an Eagles sweater from this year.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
Like that's all he goes to. He goes to the
front runner.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
He thinks, Okay, if this team's gonna win, I've got
to have their jerseys. Because he just swaps them out.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
I feel like I need.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
It's not a bad way to live your life. You're
always winning as a winner. I mean, you're always living
as a winner.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
But I'm not a winner.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Yes you are.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
None of my team's Arkansas doesn't win.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Okay, that's your own fault.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
The Cubs don't win. They won once in sixteen.

Speaker 5 (55:39):
So, like Jennifer Away, like, if I were to pick
a team, I would, I would actually auction off my
fandom because I don't have a team. I would let
each team make a bid and like, you know, send
a box merch and let.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
Me see what's what's what's best? I like that, and
like whatever's like the sickest clothes.

Speaker 5 (55:59):
I would follow die hard to that team. Like but
I would think I would. I couldn't be a Chiefs man.
I like the Chiefs because I like to see greatness.
I like to see consistency. I think consistency.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Consistency as you get.

Speaker 5 (56:15):
But I couldn't pick a team like the Chiefs the
Eagles because they're already winning too much. I wouldn't want
to pick a team I mean the Titans and.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
You seem more like an underdog guy. I want to
be a middle of the pack under.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Somebody that kind of comes out, sneaks out of nowhere
and then just takes over.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
Like I don't mind the Texans.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
I think that they've got a bright future, even though
they trade away a lot of their offensive line in
this offseason.

Speaker 5 (56:37):
I know I don't mind the Packers, right, they haven't
won it in a while, young quarterback.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
But I will say this, and I will look at
the camera. What camera are we on this middle one here?

Speaker 5 (56:47):
I don't have a favorite NFL team because I did
not grow up in a place where we had an
NFL team. I am looking to have a favorite NFL team.
Reach out to me. Send me stuff and the coolest
stuff that's given a favorite team for the whole year,
and I'm going to follow you. I'm going to come

(57:08):
to the games. I'm going to cheer you on. I'm
going to give you an I owe money, wrong league.
But still I'm looking for a favorite team because I've
never had one, and I'd like to have one.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
You know what, I love where you're going with this.
Let's get you an NFL team. Send him swag.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
It's not even about so much the free stuff, but
who has the coolest stuff?

Speaker 3 (57:28):
So you're kinda you're basing it on uniform attire.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
All look all, I'm basing it on how I look in.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
The colors, how you look in the colors.

Speaker 5 (57:41):
How do I feel about the next five to seven
years of the organization.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Oh, well that you're putting in you're starting to put
in a different criteria here.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
No, no, not just all this goes in five to
seven years.

Speaker 7 (57:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
I don't think to win right now, but I want
to have at least like to feel like there's some promise.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
I also, if it's cold, have a dome because or
put me in a suite, okay, because I want to
go and freeze my butt off it. Again.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Yes, I guarantee a lot of those teams would love
you to come get a suite for the game.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
I want to be able to like the coach, and
I'm only going to be able to like the coach
pretty much if you know the coach and like the coach.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Right, and do one meet and greet place one meet
and greet with you being the coach.

Speaker 5 (58:22):
So I'm looking for a favorite NFL team reach out
because I want to be a fan of a team
I have a just generally speaking, I'll be honest, I
have a lot of free stuff. I don't care about
the free stuff, but I want the free stuff because
I want to see what you have to offer, all right,
and I want to find it and I want to
root for them, die hard.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
I want to be there.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
I can't wait for you to pick one of these
teams all year now.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
I'm rolling with it, rolling with it. What what team
do you think you would look worse like?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (58:50):
Worst? That's the Titans. Colors are terrible. So I guess
Titans don't even bother you. You can't try, No, you can try.
But I think the Titans colors are terrible. I think
the Jags are tough. The Jags are tough. Detroit's colors
are pretty cool. I do love red.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Yes is a good one.

Speaker 5 (59:08):
But I don't want to shut I don't want to
shut too many doors. One thing beat our shutting doors.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
Let's not look. Somebody could just surprise you new outlook
on life, change their uniform, change their swag this year,
and you all of a sudden go oh, I'm in.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
I don't even know where to send the stuff. I'm
just saying, Hey, Kevin, where do people send stuff to
the studio? Send it to the studio, Yeah, what studio?
Our studio downtown Nashville.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
Here Okay, what are we how are we gonna We're
gonna put the address up on the screen.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
I don't know if we should do that, but if
the team reaches out, team needs to reach out, Okay,
and then we can send the team the address, they
can send stuff, Okay, and then we can go from there.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (59:45):
And then and then Matt and I will come out
and do a whole interview too with the team, and
I just I just.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
Uh, perfect, Matt, We'll come, We'll come out.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
You're coming. I might not have any stuff to wear
to your facility, but I'll figure it out.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
I'll get you. So it's my favorite team. I got plenty,
I know I have people. There's my favorite. Yeah, I
don't know they are. Yeah, I've got jerseys of all
five of your top stars.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Story.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
Yeah, don't wry about me. Send something for Matt and Bobby. Yeah,
well Bobby, let's go with Bobby. Yeah, let's go with me,
because you know, I'm jealous. He's tall, he gets to
go the good you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Know, he already has a jersey from the team that
he played for. I've played for seven of them, so
I mean maybe maybe it's one of those.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Yeah, that's true. Can I I'd like.

Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
To say something as we wrap up that I feel
is something personal and I hope you take it the
right way, and I think you will, but there is
a risk of it not being accepted in the way
that I am communicating it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
I'm always accepting your wife's awesome. Well, thank you. I
appreciate that. That was not what I was expecting at
this point. But yes, she's an awesome woman. That's why
I married her, been married to her for eighteen years.
That that part's crazy too, isn't that crazy? I got

(01:00:53):
married at twenty five? Wow? Would you know?

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
You know people and you guys met at USC.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
At USC we started dating when I was a sophomore.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
And here's why she's awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
And I'm not a lot of time with her, and
it was with a lot of other people, but extremely
warm initially, which some people and there were a lot
of people there and there are a lot of people
around extremely warm. So number two, did you could tell
she was a stone cold killer athlete? She is that

(01:01:27):
there's no doubt about that because she played volleyball at USC.
And you can just look and go, oh, yeah, I
don't want to.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
I don't want to mess with her. I don't want
to mess with her, and she still intimidates me.

Speaker 5 (01:01:38):
The thing that I liked that my wife does to
me is my wife's the boss when I'm somewhere, because
I'm the boss everywhere I go, except for when I'm
with my wife because she don't.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
It's not my choice. I'd like to be the boss
there too, but I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
I lose.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
I do not have. There's no superiority. Your wife runs
the show.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
She absolutely runs, and she's the authoritarian in our household.
Like she gets when the when she talks the kids
like snap into one. I say something like okay, dad whatever.
I was like, god, you got to have that though.
That's the balance.

Speaker 5 (01:02:11):
And I texted you and I've been gone and you've
been gone, but I was like, hey, we need to
all go to dinner like wives and everything because I
thought you were for super cool.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
I thought the same thing about your wife, even though
there was a lot of people there. I got to
give her a hug meter for just a second. What
a beautiful woman.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
But this is just like reciprocal.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
So well, no, you didn't say that about my wife.
See I said something different. Now you have to accept it.
Now you can't get uncomfortable. You have to be accepting.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
I'll accept it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
Thank you to Brian Baldinger for coming on. Thanks to
Matt Castle.

Speaker 5 (01:02:39):
Will be my friend, you know, thanks to whatever NFL
teams will ask me to be their fan.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
You're super fan.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Actually I'll be the biggest. All in, I'll be the biggest.

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
Thanks to kick Off Kevin Kevin O'Connell, not the coach
but our executive producer. Thanks to okay O New York,
Casey filling end today on video. Case appreciate you as always,
we appreciate you being here. If you don't mind, go subscribe.
Push the subscribe button. We want to keep our job.
Did you see I don't know, so I probably didn't,
but they posted a clip because we were separate last week,
and so I did an interview with Nico Collins with

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the Texans for this show, and they were like Bobby Bones.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
Talks and I got it. I was like, this is
Matt Castle show too, did you guys? Set me write that.
I was irritating that they didn't add our boy here
yes and.

Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
Shout out NFL Network because they put it up and
they were like.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
At mister Bobby Bones is talking to Nego Collins on
a show. I'm like, no, no, no, this is not my
show at Matt m underscore sixteen. You gotta change that now, Castle, Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Underscore is sixteen. Yes, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
They'll follow something like that, something like that. Yeah, thank
you guys for listening, and we'll see you next time.
We've had lots to say.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Goodbye.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
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