Lots to Say: Super Bowl Stories and NFL Insider Mike Garafolo

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
We got lost, Just say we got lost?

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Just say.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
What better?

Speaker 5 (00:21):
He and we hooked?

Speaker 1 (00:22):
You say because we got lost?

Speaker 5 (00:24):
Just say, yeah, we got lost. Just say here's.

Speaker 6 (00:31):
Bobby and that.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
I'm the Bobby one to pick the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
He's the Matt one to pick the Bills. I know
you're gonna rub that.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
You know, I've just I just bet all my homes.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
That's it.

Speaker 6 (00:47):
You know what I should have done the same thing.
I'm gonna sit here and say I was wrong. Because
until somebody beats them, especially the Buffalo Bills, how can
you not go with the Chiefs. It's a dumb, dumb
decision by me.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
As of right now. I also expect them to run
it up on the Eagles. I mean, until somebody proves
that they can do it. I mean, how do you
not go with the Chiefs? I guess the only difference
is Saquon right, And there are other small factors and
personnel changes. Yes, but if you're talking about macro, yes,
and that's a that's a big macro. I mean, Squon's awesome,

(01:22):
But otherwise it feels very similar. Same two quarterbacks, same coaches,
and zero to four are coaches playing a rematch in
the Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 (01:35):
You're saying, at how are they playing?

Speaker 1 (01:38):
It was the two coaches that have had a rematch.
There have been four coaches that have played in a
rematch in the right we all four have lost. Interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:46):
Yeah, I think that this is a different team too,
And I you point to Saquon Barkley, which is going
to be the biggest factor without a doubt, But then
I think second to that would be Vic Fangio, their
new defensive coordinator, because he's brought so much to the
stability of that defense. They've done an outstanding draw job
of drafting talent. They've got a rate secondary, and it's

(02:07):
interesting when you watch these two teams, particularly on defense.
But Vic Fangio's he'll show you what he's gonna do.
They're gonna be a Cover four show, which means two
safeties deep. They're gonna have some exotic blitzes mixed in
there on situational football. But they're just going to play fast,
and they're gonna go and they're gonna tackle, and they're
gonna play with energy. They're gonna play hard, they're gonna
create turnovers, which they have throughout the course of this season.

(02:29):
And so that defense, with the ability to run the
football with Sakuon Barkley and that offensive line, that's what
makes them so difficult to beat. But then you look
at the Kansas City Chiefs. Why do I hear Eagles
prediction already?

Speaker 1 (02:40):
No, not at all.

Speaker 6 (02:41):
I said, that's what makes them difficult to beat. But
then you look at the Kansas City Chiefs and everybody's like, oh, well,
they're down here and they're missing this, and they don't
have a true number one wide receiver that's you know,
the man or considered the alpha right now. But they
just collectively, they have one guy back there with Patrick
Mahomes that has been in the situation so many times.

(03:03):
He doesn't blink and he always makes the right plays
and the right decisions in those moments. And then you've
got enough veteran leadership with the Travis Kelsey to the
world and Chris Jones on the opposite side that they're
playing really good football right now. You know, especially Patrick
Mahomes tail end of that season. I think I said
this last week when you look at his last six
games of the year, sixteen touchdown, zero interceptions. He takes

(03:25):
care of the football, and some people think he's a gunslinger,
but these are calculated risks that he takes, and when
he does make that calculated risk, ninety nine percent of
the time, he makes the right decision.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
And what I thought was so fun about the offense
of the Chiefs last week against the Bills was they
were running a lot of stacks with the wide receivers
to keep the man coverage from jam them off the line.
Like if you don't have receivers that can create separation
off the line, like that stack is almost impossible to
stop because you can't get And there were times when
Kelsey would go in motion and he would be it

(03:59):
would be a stack formation or the receivers should be
one behind the other because again you can't touch him,
he's behind a guy. And they use that a lot
as they That was their ability to get their guys open.
And Kelsey only had a couple of catches, few catches, right,
but a couple of those when he was coming out
of like stack formation. Was that a weapon that you were.

Speaker 6 (04:18):
Able to use when you play quarterback one hundred percent
and that's what you have to do. I used to
love stacks, bunches, and then you switch up your release patterns.
And when you have veteran guys like a DeAndre Hopkins,
you just miss schuster. There are guys that have understand
their release patterns because defenses have to make a decision.
Are we going to play one on one off which
you always have to be on different different levels in

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a certain stack. Are you going to play combo coverage?
But how you release on that? The guy at the
point if he attacks the outside, now this guy works
on the inside, but now he automatically has leverage coming outside.
So if you understand what's what's going on the defense
side of the ball, which is easy to see a
lot of times just because of film study, it creates
an advantage for the offense and you don't have to

(05:02):
go and line up, you know, man demand right across
from you each other and beat them with skill all
the time. You just beat them with leverage. And that's
what good coaching is. Andy Reid's been doing that throughout
the course of his career of how do we put
our players in a position to be the most successful
And a lot of times it's just those stacks and bunches,
which creates those openings in the defense and you find

(05:24):
that softwoid.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
This wasn't on the show.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
You and I were talking before we came on, and
you were mentioning that you had just talked on the phone,
as Sirianni did not know you guys were friends. How
do you know, Sirianni? What's the mood is? Is he
tight because the game's coming up?

Speaker 6 (05:37):
No, he was awesome. I've known him forever. I mean
the first time he was a head I mean not
even the head coach. He was like low man on
the totem pole. When I got to Kansas City, he
was doing all the like you know, you've got to
type in the play and do. He was working long hours.
But he was a nobody back then. No offense nick
I mean I yes, I thought you were somebody. And

(05:58):
he had the nickname Pipes. I think I mentioned that before,
just because he also always used to wear cutof shirts
and come right out of the gym because he'd always
be working out. But I called him today just to
congratulate him, and it's like old friends. You know you're shooting,
theyre having fun, talking about the game and just cracking
jokes and catching up with the kids and stuff. But
he was excited. He said, team's playing really well. And

(06:21):
he's like, I was like, how do you how do
you feel about U? Saquon Barkley? He's like, are you
kidding me?

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Cass?

Speaker 3 (06:27):
He is awesome and he's a great dude too.

Speaker 6 (06:30):
So it was he's excited about this opportunity to go
back to the super Bowl and he thinks he's got
a really good team.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Speaking of your time with the Chiefs, I had Scott Pioli.
I was talking to Scott Pioli, who came from the
Patriots but then went over It was the general manager
with the Chiefs. He traded for you, right he did?

Speaker 7 (06:46):
He trade for me? Thank you, Scott, appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
I brought you up to him and I wanted to
play this and the first clip is with Scott Pioli myself, which,
by the way, I love Scott. I've had a chance
talked to him a few times on different things.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
He's the best.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
So when I saw that he was free, I was like,
I love talking to Scott Pioli. So we talked about
how the Patriots of value did you coming out of
usc Because he was a part of that process Matt.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
I adore Matt and his family, right. But I remember
being there at practice and I was watching the quarterbacks
throw and I'm watching this guy Castle, who was a CEO.
I was like, this guy's interesting.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
He had the.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Prototype, body, looked good, and he had this really good
energy about him. Then as practice starts, this guy's wearing
like one of those pullover pennies on the kickoff coverage
scout team. He's doing anything and everything. We're firm believers
in player development in Matt. We found a guy who
was smart, who was dedicated, who loved the game, willing
to do anything and everything. And we said, well, you know, I,

(07:45):
at worst, this guy might be able to be a
really good backup quarterback. That's what we thought of him
coming out draft him in the seventh round. He helps
us to win eleven games, and when he was in
Kansas City, when Charlie Weiss was our coordinator that year,
Matt threw for twenty seven touchdowns and only seven interceptions,
went to the Pro Bowl, and we won the division.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Thoughts on that statement there, Oh.

Speaker 6 (08:08):
Scott, No, I've always loved Scott and he's somebody that
believed in me. Took me with him to Kansas City,
and we weren't really able to establish obviously what they've
got going there. But Scott is one of the most
genuine people that you'll meet in this business. He truly
cares about you as a person. He cares about your family,
He gets to know you. He's somebody that's so informed,

(08:30):
and he understands the importance of the locker room, the
type of individuals that you bring in there, the dynamics
of being a good teammate, people that are gonna work hard.
Is it a fit culturally or are we going to
just bring in the guy because he's super talented, but
he might have some problems getting along with people, or
might be one of those guys that eventually will become

(08:51):
a cancer if things aren't going well for him. So
I've always had a tremendous amount of respect. I know
him personally, I know his family. He's just an incredible guy,
and I'm very fortunate to know k Oh He's awesome.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
I got another one though. I was just talking about you,
and this is him talking about what made you successful.
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Matt was acutely aware of what he could do and
what he couldn't do. He trusted the coaches around him
when he was at his best. He trusted the coaches
around him to put him in a position to succeed
and not fail. And I know that sounds so basic
and generic, but players aren't always put in a position
in order for them to succeed. And when Matt was

(09:33):
put in that position, he had a great deal of success.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Expand on what he means that some players aren't put
in a position to succeed.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Is it that they're in a bad system.

Speaker 6 (09:44):
Sometimes bad systems, sometimes bad personnel around around them. Sometimes
there's not always the collaboration that needs to take place
between an offensive coordinator and a quarterback. And by that,
I mean a lot of times you come in and
you'll review the game plan and you'll say, hey, I
really like these six passes to start. I'm not too
comfortable with this off on this unless we're getting this

(10:06):
particular coverage. In addition to that, when you talk about system,
it's the checks at the line of scrimmage. When we
were with the Patriots, and I had a tremendous amount
of respect and love for Josh McDaniels, who just resigned
with the Patriots, which was going to be great for
Drake May. But what we would always do is we'd
start formationally, three wide receivers to one side. Well, immediately

(10:27):
you know, if the corners are all over, that's man
to man. So they'd give me two plays in my helmet.
So one was a man beater, one was a zone beater.
If the corners didn't travel, I knew immediately it was zoned.
So I'm checking at the line of scrimmage, and now we
have the advantage because we know we're throwing against zone
and we've got a zone beater. Some teams will just
call plays and hope for the best, and it's not

(10:49):
It's something that as a quarterback you're going, gosh, this
is awful. This looks awful. I'm gonna have to throw
the ball away. And so there's all those different dynamics,
and then it's always the coach player relationship that you
have that sometimes you know, you get along with the guy,
and then there's other times where you might have a
lot of friction. And I had a lot of friction

(11:09):
at times with Todd Haley in my time in Kansas
City was a tumultuous one because of it.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
My garafollow is on with us now.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
I'm excited about this because when it comes to being
an insider as far as the NFL goes like, there
are a few that I would compare with Mike and
we'll talk super Bowl, I know, and I'm gonna we're
gonna lead with this, like he grew up a big
Eagles fan, but I guess you can't really be a
fan anymore once you're in the media.

Speaker 6 (11:33):
We still probably could, but private publicly, I think that
they always say, oh, no, I'm not anybody. You know,
It's my job comes first and foremost. I have to
be objective. But at home, let's be honest. He's wearing
his Eagles here.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
I think so too. There are times two where I'll
go to, like the press box if there's an ARKANSASLL game,
they don't let you cheer or where come on? Well
the question, yeah, that's right in a few of those
and yeah, and I'm like, oh, and they're like you
cannot cheer or so I'll excuse myself.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
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Speaker 3 (12:07):
He is NFL network reporter and insider.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Mike Hair follow.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
You grew up an Eagles fan. I don't know how
you're feeling right now.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Eagles about to play in the Super Bowl again, Are
you die hard or no?

Speaker 6 (12:32):
No?

Speaker 5 (12:33):
I mean that that kind of goes by the wayside
once you're in the business and once you're covering these teams.
I covered the Giants from two thousand and four to
twenty twelve, and I got crap from the Giants fans
who were like, well, it's an Eagle fan covering the.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Eagles or covering the Giants.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
I was like, I stopped being an Eagles fan when
I covered the Eagles, Like, you just can't. It's the
old you know, when you see how the sausage just
made and you've got to maintain that level of objectivity.
It's kind of forced to happen. I mean I explained
it all the time as this back in I don't
know when it was twenty nine or something like that,

(13:12):
the Giants were playing in Philadelphia on a Sunday night game,
and I'm working for the Star Ledger at the time,
and our story has to be in by the end
of the game, which was always on a night game.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
Was always a tough thing to do, especially in a
tight game.

Speaker 5 (13:26):
Eagles are a Giants excuse me, are up six and
the Eagles have the ball with two minutes to go,
They're up five.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
It was thirty six thirty one, I want to say,
And if.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
The Eagles score, I'm screwed because now I got to
rewrite my story in a matter of seconds and have
it in before the final gun. So I was rooting
for the Giants to make a stop there. So I'm like, see,
it's impossible. There's too much that you've got personally when
you're doing this.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Job for you to be a fan. But I did
grow up. I explained to my kids the other day.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
I was like, the Eagles are going to the Super
Bowl for the third time in the last seven years
or whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
I said, when daddy was a kid, Eagles never went
to the Super Bowl. Now once he came roof for.

Speaker 6 (14:05):
Them anymore, Mike, So we got the Chiefs, We've got
the Eagles. What do you think is going to be
the biggest difference in this game as opposed to two
years ago when they met in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Outside of sa kuon Barkley.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
I think, well, yeah, outside of saque I think I
think it's I mean for the Eagles, it's got to
be a pois Jalen Hurts that critical mistake that he
made with when he lost control of the ball there
in that Super Bowl. He got to be a little
bit less than that. I think he's done a great job,
you know. I hear folks here at the Senior Bowl
and football folks are like, you know, he's not a

(14:42):
traditional work the field, pocket passing type quote.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
I think he does a great job.

Speaker 5 (14:46):
You know, he saw the other day he identified the
coverage on one key play where he knew he had
aj one on one on the outside, takes the snap,
he knows exactly where he's going. It's not like he's
back there and he just doesn't see things like some
quarterbacks that we've seen in the past. Is he gonna
work from one to two to three to four in
his progressions? Maybe not, but from one to two, I
think he's done a fantastic job. And he knows what
he could do when healthy with his legs. So I'd

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say that's got to That has to be the biggest
difference if the Eagles are going to pull this one off,
it's got to be Jalen out Mahomes ing Mahomes on
this one.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Do you feel like this is the Chief's best defense
since Mahomes was the starting quarterback?

Speaker 5 (15:23):
Probably going through all the teams here and making sure
that it's not just hyperbole because that's the that's the
team in front of me. But yeah, I think so,
and I think Spag has done a great job calling it.
You know, we focused so much the last couple of
days on social media about what Josh Allen should have
done with that motion behind him from Shakiro on that play.

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You know, Spag's understanding what he was going to be
able to do with that corner blitz call tight to
the coverage, knowing he can get on him quickly.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
I thought it was. It was a great call on
that spot.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
I love that.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
I love that when he makes the call in that situation,
you always hear the announcer say, well, he's going to
bring pressure here, but you don't know where it's coming from,
you don't know the thought process behind it. It's the
way he's able to do what he does in those
key spots without it being so, without it being predictable,
and to put guys in positions to make those tough

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decisions like Josh Allen had to make it, and by
the way, Alan nearly pulled it off too, so you
give him credit for that one too.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
I just think that the waist bags are call on
it right now.

Speaker 5 (16:29):
I don't understand why he's not a head coach right now,
given all he's done as a coordinator the last couple
of years.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
It's kind of crazy.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
But hiring practice in this league can be a topic
for another visit with you guys.

Speaker 6 (16:40):
Oh, let's talk about coaching, because there's been a few
hires here right We've got Dallas Cowboys hiring Brian Schottenheimer.
Do you think that al was more of a panic
decision by the Cowboys or do you think that they
really looked at him and said, this is our guy
moving forward.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
No.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
I think Jerry thinks he's got a good head coach.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
I think he truly believes he made a good call,
and he can see more of Brian Schottenheimer being there
day to day than anybody else can.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
So I truly believe.

Speaker 5 (17:11):
You know, he came away with and said that this
feels like the best call for us right now. I
know that you know, continuity and comfortability for Dak Prescott
was a big part of it. We also talked about
the possibility of Jason Witten joining the coaching staff, and
guys like Mike McCarthy or somebody else might say, well,
if there's going to be a coach in waiting here,
why would I take this job or continue in this job,

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especially because from our understanding, they tried to do a
shorter term deal with McCarthy, almost like he was going
to be a bridge head coach. When you're Brian Schottenheimer
and you haven't been on that radar for fourteen fifteen
years or whatever it is, when he was a hot
head coaching candidate, you say, well, I may never have
this opportunity again, so I got to take the best
opportunity that I possibly can right now in front of me.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
So we'll see how it plays out. I mean, I
talked about the hiring practices in this league.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
I think a lot of times we get caught up
and well, this guy's a good offensive coordinator, is a
good play caller, this is the next hot head coaching candidate, and.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
The guy doesn't do it well.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
And I think we're going to see that maybe with
some of these guys that are in this cycle right now.
Because it's it's a different job being a head coach
and can you run things. So the fact that Brian
Schottenheimer hasn't been that hot excuse me, hot young play
caller for quite some time doesn't tell me that, oh,
he's not gonna be a good head coach.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
We'll see how plays out.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
What are the expectations over the next one to two
years for the Raiders and Pete Carroll.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
To be competitive and to be competitive by the way,
that roster's got to get better. You know, I said
last year, how do you evaluate Antonio Pearson? Really give
him a full grade? It's got to be an incomplete
because that roster, especially in the quarterback position, knowing that
he wanted to make an upgrade there, what's Pete going
to do there?

Speaker 4 (18:47):
Now?

Speaker 5 (18:47):
You know, if it's a five win roster, he'll get
seven wins out of them. If it's a seven win roster,
he'll get nice NiFe. That's just what Pete Carroll does.
And I thought, at the end of his tenure with
the Seahawks, you're still going nine to eight, Like, how's
that disappointing?

Speaker 4 (19:01):
In this league?

Speaker 5 (19:02):
Knowing you're on the plus side of five hundred year
and a year out. He certainly, you know, still has
that youthful energy. I don't look at him and say
always seventy three or whatever it is, and oh boy,
he's gonna he could coach for ten more years.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
It's not crazy. He could coach into his aighties. So
I think.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
But over the next one to two years, I think
you see a competitive team. I think you see you
see a team that's going to go into some places
and win some games like against Kansas City.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
It's going to be a tough out for the teams
in that division, in that conference.

Speaker 6 (19:30):
Can you take us through the back and forth with
the Jacksonville Jaguars and Liam Cohen and what took place
there turning down the job, then two days later coming
in accepting the job, Well, what.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
Changed with Trent Balky the general manager being fired. I'd
understand why shot con. You know, all you do is
just make a couple of calls around the league for
people to say, yeah, no, nobody's gonna want to go
work there. I shouldn't say nobody, but some of the
top ten candidate to have options and have the ability
to withdraw from a coaching search because well, I got
a good gig where I am right now, which Liam
Cohen did would say, well, I'd rather go, Which is

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not to say that Trent Balky's a bad guy or anything,
but you know, he's he has a certain reputation right
on the league, and I think a lot of people thought.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
That in Jacksonville the job could have been done a
little bit better.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
So it's it was Liam Cohen saying, well, I got
to revisit this now, and you know, could they have
communicated better with it with the Buccaneers. Sure sounded like
he didn't get back to them un till late in
the day and said, well, I was with my kid
in the hospital all day and by the way, I
have to revisit this Jacksonville thing, not telling them at
the time. By the way, I'm here in Jacksonville getting

(20:39):
ready to go into the building for my second interview.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
So that's where the Buccaneers were ticked off in the end.
I listen, it's not like.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
In this league you're a coordinator and you get a
chance to interview for a head coaching job.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
You've got to explore it.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
And everybody who's been there before Todd Bowles has been
a coordinator who wanted a head coaching job and got
it twice.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
He understands.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
So if he had said to him, look, hey, listen,
they fired Balky immediately, they called me, this changes everything.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
I got no problem. Just keep us in the loop
because he was going to.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
Sign that contract. But yeah, listen, I know we had
a verbal agreement, but things changed. They would have understood that.
They did understand that in the long run.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
They just wanted to communicate a little bit better.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Early in the season, Sirianni was the villain to Philly
fans and he was on the hot seat. Now he
is the hero and he's playing in the Super Bowl.
Has that relationship, though, been consistent with ownership the whole
time or has that always Has it been also inside
like it felt like on the outside.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
I don't think yeah. I mean, if it's basically one
of those where.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
If this continues and it didn't continue, and I kind
of had coaches on that coaching staff who have been
around the league, who have worked with multiple head coaches,
some multiple successful head coaches tell me Nick Sirianni is
the best head coach they've.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
Ever worked for. And I think the Eagles appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
I know Howie Rosman appreciates that he's been through a
number of head coaches as a general manager, and he
understands what he has in this head coach. And again,
not a play caller, right like he was hired as
an offensive coordinator, but not a play caller. Just a
guy that is running a really smooth, really successful operation
right now and delegating, leaning on his people, but empowering

(22:13):
his players and doing a great job of it. So
I don't ever even to the point where when they
were playing their first game, well, the Eagles lose today,
Sirihanna could be fired.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
I never really believe that.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
I didn't think that was a reality, and I think
anybody would have been nuts to consider that un Philly.

Speaker 6 (22:26):
When you look at the Chiefs this year, obviously they've
lost wide receivers, they've had issues on the offensive line,
but they continue to find a way to win. Would
you say this is more impressive than even last year
in this run that they've gone on and what they've
been able to accomplish this year.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
Yeah, And I think Andy Reid should have gotten consideration
for Coach of the Year. I'm going to find it
funny when once again a coach is up at NFL
Honors on Thursday of this coming Super Bowl week and
accepts the Coach of the Year award while Andy Reid
is game planning and preparing his team for the super
Bowl once again. Now, that's the problem with the voting,
and maybe for head coach or Coach of the Year,

(23:03):
maybe they could push that voting back. It's not fair
to do it to the players sometimes, but I think
if we push that voting back to just that award
to right before the Super Bowl, I think you have
a fuller picture, and I think Andy.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Would get better.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
He's only won at once in his career one time,
and it was early in his tenure with the Eagles.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
That's what happens when the bar is so high.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
Because the Coach of the Year award, and this note
disrespected Kevin O'Connell, who I think is going to wind
up winning the award.

Speaker 7 (23:29):
The award is given.

Speaker 5 (23:30):
To a coach who got more with less, right, So
if you're expected to win double digit games every year
into the twelve thirteen range, and you wind up doing
that or exceeding that, but you're not going to get
that consideration, which I think is unfair because I think
Andy Reid did a really good coaching job with this
team with a number of injuries they had early in
the year, with the change in their identity on offense
and trying to figure out who they are and being

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more of a defensive team.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
You know, I think he did a great job, and.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
I think that that's why they're They're a more complete
dangerous team, i'd say, and have been in this postseason.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Offensively with DeAndre Hopkins, Hollywood Brown coming back from injury.
Those are added elements that looks to me like for
the Chiefs, so they've had to like, you know, I
was an ugly kid, but then I got funny, then
I got better looking, so I had all the tools.
Then I feel like the Chiefs kind of had to
like be ugly kids and figure out how to win.
But now they have these weapons. Would you consider both
of those guys reasons that the offense is clicking more so? Yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
And I think DeAndre Hopkins is the kind of guy
who's going to be on this stage. And you heard
him after the AFC Championship game with some of the
things that he said, knowing that in this league, these
moments they're fleeting, and I think he appreciates it, and
he's gonna want to go out there and going to
make a big playing, and they're gonna want him to
make a big play, and they'll they'll dial up something

(24:46):
up for him to make a big play. So to me,
it's always so impressive to me that you've you've got
guys who have been around and they're hungry, and they're
they're sometimes the added pieces. The Eagles did a great
job of that in twenty seventeen where they added players
who were on in their career and didn't have a
ring or a chance to win a ring, and they
helped feel the fire. What's always more impressive to me

(25:08):
is the Travis Kelcey's of the world. Remember how dialed
up he was that he ran over Andy Reid in
that Super Bowl last year. I'm like, this guy, he
could have he would have had multiple championships. He's got
all the money in the world, he's got all the
individual accolades. But to be that hungry for a Super
Bowl win another one year in and year out, and
Patrick Mahomes to not go, well, we could lose this
AFC Championship game.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
That's fine.

Speaker 5 (25:28):
I got plenty of rings and I've been in the
stage every year, so I prove like to still have
that hunger. That to me is always the most impressive
when I deal with these athletes, because it's got to
be hard to not be complacent. But you hear them say, well,
when you do it once, you want to do it again.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
So much more. That to me is the most impressive thing.
And the Chiefs have a lot of that going.

Speaker 7 (25:46):
On, speaking of a want and desire.

Speaker 6 (25:48):
Buffalo just can't get over the hump, right And when
you look at their front office this season, they're sitting
there and they're just trying to figure out a formula
of how to beat the Chiefs in the playoffs. What
do you think that they're going to key in on
this offseason moving forward?

Speaker 4 (26:02):
I think they need more firepower.

Speaker 5 (26:04):
You know, they did the whole Mac Collins, Curtis Samuel
kJ Hamler like we're gonna throw a bunch of things
at this receiver position. And knowing that we moved on
from Stefan Diggs, even gave Davis left three a free
agency and there's just you need a little bit more, right,
And I give those guys credit. They did a great job.
The coaching staff did a great job. That group did
a great job. Mac Collins came on really and did

(26:26):
a lot of things that maybe people didn't think. He
was some of the the outstanding catches in traffic that
he made for a guy who I remember early in
his career. I thought, I said, this guy's coming on.
He's going to be a really big and the Eagles
reduced him to kind of a you know, he did
the dirty work, he did a lot of the blocking, and.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
So it's.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
They did a nice job getting to this stage, but
you still need more and Khalil Khalil Shakiro come on
a little bit more in Keon Coleman will do more
of the things that he's supposed to be doing and
being asked of in this league. But I just think
you just need a little bit more firepower from that
wide receiver corps.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
I think that that that'll be what they're looking to
do this offseason.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Back to the Chiefs for a second and their offense.
How hard is it to go from a to be
a lineman and inside lineman to have to go play tackle?
Like yeah, Because again there we don't spend a lot
of time studying the linemen because they're not the guys
playing fantasy or so how hard is that? Yeah? Funny?

Speaker 5 (27:21):
I was just talking the Giants guys here at the
Senior book because they've got Evan Neil who they drafted
as a tackle and might have to move inside the guard.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
And it's like, is that hard? Is it?

Speaker 5 (27:30):
You need to have that skill set and that's something
that you have to be able to, uh, to see
in a guy and and a lot of times like,
oh he could be he's he could play guard if
we need him to do that. And we've seen enough
guys make that transition. Makai Beckton is the latest to
do it to move in from tackle.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
But to go from guard to tackle feels like the
harder move, right They've get out there in space and
to be asked to do things one on one to
And he's just an amazing player.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
He's just and they got that was a huge contract
when they signed him. I mean that was huge.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
We've had some bigger deals as the market and you
see it at every position they play that game Elite frog.
But when they did that that deal, they got every
every bit of their money's worth on that when he's
just a really good, phenomenal player and a guy that
can make that move for them.

Speaker 6 (28:12):
So, Mike, who you got in the Super Bowl? You
got to make your prediction. Come on, we're gonna put
you on the spot. Yeah, I want to hear it.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
This feels like this feels like an Eagles team that
has just been It's gotten better as the game has
gone on.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
You know, It's funny.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
I was watching my wife doesn't watch a lot of football,
and we were watching the NFC Championship game together and
when the Eagles went out fourteen three, I said, the
game is over. She's like, the game's not over the game.
And then they Washington scores and it's fourteen twelve, and
I said, she goes, he see the game's got over
there just within two points here, And I said, or
fourteen whatever the number was, fourteen thirteen.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
And I said, you don't understand. You got to be
ahead of the Eagles.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
You got to be ahead of the Sticks, right because
later in the game, they're gonna wear on you, and
Saquan's gonna find that that hole and he's gonna he's
gonna pop that run. In that offensive line, you got
a hard time containing their running game. So I just
feel like this team's just got that extra little gear.
Especially in the second half this year, they've played some
terrific four minute offense because they're able to run the football.

(29:12):
They've been able to put games out of reach because
they're able to run the football.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
I just think that this is a different Eagles team here.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
I got to give them the edge here, and I
don't know what the final score will wind up being,
but I'll give the Eagles by a small margin.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
We're here, whistles. Last question. What's going on with you
right now?

Speaker 4 (29:29):
We're at the Senior Bowl here in Mobile, Alabama.

Speaker 5 (29:32):
The slogan is the Draft starts in Mobile here at
the Reese's Senior Bowl on NFL Network. Onlys a good
time to come down here and start to really get
some experience talking to these guys and seeing these guys
because we're gonna be talking about them for the next
three months as we head into the draft, so to see.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
Them in action.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
You know, we watch college football this season goes on,
but we're so locked in the NFL that you know,
we really need to start digging into some guys here.
So it's always a great scene and this is where
a lot of business gets done. I remember I was
telling Joe Shane the Giants GM, I said, I remember
that clip from Hard Knocks, not the one with John
Mara and Saquon Barkley, but the one where he's talking

(30:09):
to Dan Morgan on the field here in mobile and
Morgan kind of says, oh, would you trade media one
for Brian Burns And they kind of pause it and uh,
uh what's his name?

Speaker 7 (30:19):
That does the uh.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Left shiverer I'm planking and they leave leaf Shipper jumps
in and he says, uh, that sounds good, Like.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Dan Morgan just made Brian Burns available be a trade.

Speaker 5 (30:31):
And you saw it like, So this is where a
lot of that stuff, A lot of these seeds are
planted here with regard to the business of the NFL
over the next couple of months.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Mike, we appreciate it, and we'll put Mike's you follow
him on a social to put it in our notes.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Appreciate you, and hopefully we'll talk to you against soon.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Mike. You got it.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
Guys, thanks grabbing me.

Speaker 6 (30:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
About how many rings do you have there? That's hard
to say.

Speaker 6 (31:08):
Where two thousand and seven was my only opportunity to
go to Super Bowl with the Patriots when we were
undefeated eighteen and ol going into the Super Bowl and
we played the.

Speaker 7 (31:16):
Giants and there was a catch on top of the
head and.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
I didn't know that. I wouldn't have asked with that happily. No,
you know what I did too. I look, because again
I should know more about you in your career. But
then I think we don't know crap about me either,
So we'll just ask it on a microphone. I asked
chat GBT like ten seconds ago. Yeah, how many rings?
This is what it says. Was Matt Castle on any

(31:41):
of the Super Bowl winning teams? Yes, Matt Castle was
part of the Patriots team that won Super Bowl in
two thousand and three and two thousand and four as
a backup quarterback.

Speaker 6 (31:49):
No see, I can see that chat TBD. So you
can't trust the idea. You can't trust thee I try
to tell you this was my first year in the league,
was two thousand and five, and it's it's one of
those situations where you sit there that every backup that
played before me or after me has a ring there.
Jimmy Garoppolo, Brian Hoyer, Persett, I think has one. I mean,

(32:14):
you could go down the list. I was like, all
these guys are rock and bling and I have gotten
nothing to show I have. I just have this sick
feeling in this pit my stomach, like we could have
been the best of all time nineteen and oh how
great would that be?

Speaker 1 (32:26):
And have that ring.

Speaker 7 (32:27):
No, I never got to go to the ring ceremony
at Craft's house, never.

Speaker 6 (32:30):
Got to do it, but I got to see all
these pictures and all my buddies telling me about it.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
I was like, that looks like the best rager of
all time.

Speaker 6 (32:37):
But no, no, never, I feel like such a But
we won in a college.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
That was great.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
You did win a champion with college.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, but I never played.

Speaker 6 (32:45):
That's okay, Yeah, I sure as as Peolie was saying,
I would switch off my jersey to go run down
on Scout team kickoff.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
That was awesome. I feel a little bad about asking
that question.

Speaker 7 (32:57):
No, you shouldn't feel bad.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
The only reason I don't feel totally bad is once
Matt was over here. We were just talking about I
don't watch a TV or something, just hanging out, and
Matt was like, yeah, we watched this, and sometimes we'll
even watch Dancing with the Stars, at which I thought
that would be how you had heard of me.

Speaker 7 (33:12):
Well, I wanted you to get into it.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Well, and I was like, oh, yeah, you know I
won this shit goes You did the show and I
was like, yeah, that's what. And so I brought the
trophy and he's like wow. And so the fact that
you didn't know that, well.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
I mean, I wasn't.

Speaker 8 (33:26):
I'm not a religious that's my watcher of that show,
me either, but you they came up out of nowhere
that you watched it. My kids were sick that entire season.
That's why you know. I was attending to sick kids.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
But I wasn't offended you didn't know.

Speaker 7 (33:39):
Yeah, and that's why I'm not offended that you asked that.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
I guess the difference is I have the trophy. I know,
I know that's what.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
That is such a flaw. I know that. Yeah, what
is it like the week of the Super Bowl or
not even the week of. I'm more curious about the
week before the week of, because that's kind of an
odd week.

Speaker 6 (34:01):
It was an odd week now, I'm not gonna lie.
It was a stressful week for me. So we played
the Chargers in the AFC Championship Game and late in
the late in the game, Brady gets rolled up on
gets an ankle, like hobbling ankle. I was like, oh
my god, am I going to go in for the
first time in meaningful game in the AFC Championship. He
finishes the game, but his ankle is swollen, I mean,

(34:24):
so he can't practice it all that week. So we're
getting ready in the week leading up, like before you
actually go to the Super Bowl. For the final week preparation,
it's a little bit more moderated in terms of they're
trying to protect some guys, get guys healthy, but at
the same time you're still starting to implement the game plan.
So you're going out there running the show and Brady's

(34:46):
not there. So I'm the backup quarterback. He's having careering right,
He's throwing fifty something touchdowns that year. So I have
to go out to practice and like it was high
level execution. You're trying to get ready this team ready
for the Super Bowl. But again I'm not the guy
in there all the time, so I'm trying to, you know,
elevate my game. But for me, I didn't know what

(35:07):
his situation was. I was I was pretty confident that
no matter what the circumstance is, whether he had to
shoot it up or not, he was.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Going to play.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Part of you think, though you may have to start
the game.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Part of it.

Speaker 9 (35:19):
I was like what and so so if you think
about that circumstance, you know, the next year was the
first time I started a game since high school.

Speaker 7 (35:29):
But imagine, just imagine.

Speaker 6 (35:32):
Like that week going in and Brady's like, man, I
just I don't know what happened. They you know, found
a bone chip, this, that and the other, and you've
got to start in the super Bowl and everybody's sitting
there going History's on the line, nineteen to zero. All
these things are going through my head, right. So there's
a lot that went into that week. So the preparation
leaning up to that week was a little bit different

(35:53):
for Brady because he was in the training room the
entire time trying to get this ankle ready and ready
to go. Even on the way out, there was a
lot of attension on the plane getting to Arizona that
that week. But so we have really limited time. We
probably had three practices that week, and again a lot
of it was just implementing and then given some guys
the time off and then you travel out. I think

(36:14):
it was Sunday or a Monday, and so you've got
like that bridge between starting practice on Tuesday or Wednesday,
that you get that one night where you get to
go out with the fellas. And we went to like
a Super Bowl party with a bunch of the group
and all that stuff, which is cool to be able
to do team camaraderie. And then you go out to
a big steak dinner. Of course, we play the credit

(36:35):
card roulette.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
No way.

Speaker 6 (36:37):
We have twenty guys there, all the offensive linemen, a
lot of the defensive players, our whole group.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
My credit card. First of all, my credit card gets hit.
The greatest story. Oh so you played with everybody there
credit card. Everybody one credit card was going to pay
for every player, one credit card.

Speaker 6 (36:56):
We had, you know, Brady's there, We had Moss there,
we had Welker there, we had every offensive lineman, Richard Seymour, R. Harrison,
Teddy Bruski, Vrabel.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
All these guys.

Speaker 6 (37:08):
It's a lot of protein, a lot of protein, and
maybe a few cocktails going around. Right, So this bill,
this bill, I'm sitting there and you know you've got
twenty guys, so your odds are one and twenty.

Speaker 7 (37:18):
You're still right five percent?

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Do you know the bill priced before they pull no card,
not at all. So they pull the card first.

Speaker 6 (37:26):
Yeah, so they're pulling out right, and so now now
it's getting down right, they get to ten more, Oh.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
They go reverse. So they're pulling out ones that don't
lose first.

Speaker 6 (37:33):
Yeah, they're pulling and they head, oh, you will not
have to pay for darians. They're handing them back and
so now it gets to five and I'm starting.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
To go, oh my god.

Speaker 6 (37:43):
And then they get the three and then there's two left,
and I'm like, what are the chances this one meal?
We go out with all the starters, everybody there, I
get picked.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Boom, I'm on, I'm on.

Speaker 6 (37:56):
So get there goes my uh playoff bonus that you
get for playing in these games.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
I was just like, I don't even know what it was.

Speaker 7 (38:02):
It's like twenty grand.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
It's a five percent chance.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
There's twenty people, yeah, and that five percent chance.

Speaker 6 (38:08):
So my Super Bowl week went from like this is awesome.
A few parties, We're going out as a team of
steak dinner.

Speaker 7 (38:14):
Boom boom boom. Two that just sucks.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
It went from you. Now you're not starting and you're
paying for everybody.

Speaker 7 (38:20):
Yeah, and I'm paying for your food. I hope you
guys play well.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
That's under that unbelievable Whose idea was it to suggest?

Speaker 6 (38:29):
Lonnie Packson always Lonnie was a big credit card roulette guy,
and he's like, put your names, and I was like, no,
I don't want to pay for this meal. Like just
I didn't think that there was any chance I'd get picked,
but of course I did.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
This is my favorite story from the entire start of
the podcast, Like, this story is my favorite.

Speaker 6 (38:46):
I just got crushed it. I mean I went home.
I sucked my thumb. Didn't tell anybody that story because
I wasn't gonna tell Were you married at the time?
That was two thou Yes, that was my first year married, And.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
How would that conversation of gone with your wife?

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Honey.

Speaker 6 (39:02):
I didn't lose, well, I technically lost twenty, but I
I had a good meal that accounted for maybe three percent.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Of the entire bill.

Speaker 6 (39:10):
But yeah, we uh you know that playoff bonus we
had most of the majority of that just went to
paying for everybody's dinner.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (39:17):
Yeah, And I thought we were just out here to
have a good time.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
What a great story.

Speaker 7 (39:20):
Yeah, that's probably why even after the loss.

Speaker 6 (39:22):
I think I told you that that I went down
and partied a little bit more, just because you know,
what else are you going to do?

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Get the most money out of there?

Speaker 8 (39:29):
Exactly most money out of any back and what are
ticket requests?

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Like? Oh, it's insane.

Speaker 6 (39:35):
Back then though, they would give you like fourteen tickets
something like that. So we had a lot of tickets,
or maybe it was ten to fourteen, but it's it's
a significant amount. So a lot of guys that didn't
have a lot of family coming, you can make a
good piece of coin on those tickets. But I had
my family, my brothers, my sister, my mom, my dad,

(39:59):
you know whoever was there. And then you've got a
few cousins, so you maybe have a few leftover that you're.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Trying for that meal you just got eaten up for.

Speaker 6 (40:06):
Yeah, I should have told him. Look, guys, I know
that I invited you guys all. Now, guys, I don't
have enough tickets for everybody. You guys are gonna have
to play your own credit card roulette and see who's
actually coming to this game because I need that money. Yeah,
so you could actually make a little bit of money
going to those games, and so I was able to
sell a few of them. But overall, I mean it

(40:27):
was mostly family because it's a special moment to have
the family there and all that. So yeah, I definitely
took a deficit that week for sure. That started with
a bang.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
What's like running on the field during the Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 (40:38):
It's incredible.

Speaker 6 (40:39):
I mean you know that already, just so much attentions
in that game, but there's so much that goes on
before the game, and there's a lot of waiting around,
unlike other games that you have. Even the halftime is
an extended halftime. Normally it's fifteen minutes. You're in the
locker room, you're making your adjustments, you're doing all that,
and you're headed right back out. It's thirty minute halftime.
You like in there chilling. It's almost like you're going

(41:00):
back to college. And so you can feel the intensity
just rising as you're out on the field. All the cameras,
all the people, all the celebrities, and you're warming up,
but you're getting into your zone. Then you go in
for an extended pregame, come back out, and then it's
the national anthem, and I don't even remember who did.
I should remember who did the national anthem. It was amazing,

(41:23):
It was amazing.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
It always it always is, It always is.

Speaker 6 (41:26):
And then and then the game starts, and you can
you know, just I think as a player, when you
experience it and you're out there, you can feel the
energy even on the sideline.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
But as you see these guys out.

Speaker 6 (41:38):
On the field, like it takes a few plays to
get back in the flow of Okay, this is football,
it's not all the other stuff going on, and so
just to lock back in to what you're supposed to
be doing. And then the game settles down and you
start to figure out, you know, then it's that chess
match of what are they doing on third down? How
what type of blitz schemes are they bringing? And you're

(41:59):
trying to make your adjustments, you know, series in, series out.

Speaker 7 (42:02):
Because you know every series is so meaningful in those games.

Speaker 6 (42:05):
And then you go in through halftime, come out, and
now it's the last two quarters of the rest.

Speaker 7 (42:10):
Of the season and you're going to lay it all
on the line.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
What is your job as the backup quarterback during the
Super Bowl? Like, what was it specifically you have a
headset on, or you help help a call. What are
you doing?

Speaker 6 (42:20):
So I'd wear my helmet a lot of times just
because I'd like to hear the call coming in from
the coordinator, because you just would go over just out
of a routine, you rehearse the call.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
So I would say the call out.

Speaker 6 (42:30):
Loud, and then a lot of times what we would
do is backup quarterbacks is I'd specifically watch safeties, safeties, corners, nickels,
any little tall tales that would give us anything, and
then start and I'd.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Have a clipboard.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
I know, damn backups.

Speaker 6 (42:46):
In their clipboards you have to write down, like I'd
just write down specific things, and then when we come
over and we look at that, i'd compare notes with
what we're seeing picture wise. Because now they've got you
can watch film on the sideline a tablet, which is
unreal to me. I wish that was the case back
in the day because it's so different watching a real
time making those adjustments versus looking at still shot because
a lot of times they capture that still shot, well

(43:08):
that didn't really tell you what happened because they're showing
you one thing, but then they rode tight down into
like a robber situation. It goes a single high and
it's a completely different look and a completely different defense
than what you saw on the picture.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
So yeah, a lot of times that's what we do.

Speaker 6 (43:24):
Or I'd concentrate on a front. Are they always in
an overfront? Is our pressure packages coming from the underfront?
And so you start to try to get a beat
on what they're doing and stay ahead of that first second,
third down.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
It's all situational stuff as well.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Let's talk about coaching. For a second year. All coach
Pete Carroll has been high by the Raiders.

Speaker 7 (43:41):
Love it, Yeah, love it.

Speaker 6 (43:43):
I mean he's seventy three years old, and that was
the big thing that everybody was making an argument, how
are you going to hire him? But if you talk
to this guy, he's the most energetic, charismatic human you'll
ever meet. I talked to him this season because his son,
Branan Carroll's up coaching for the Washington Huskies, and so
I just want to get his perspective about from being

(44:03):
a dad and watching his son his growth over the years.

Speaker 7 (44:07):
And he talked to me for thirty minutes.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
I thought it was.

Speaker 6 (44:09):
Gonna be like a five minute discussion and he talked
to me for thirty minutes. He went in and at
one point started talking to me about the history of the.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Zone outside zone run game because he's a football guy.
He is a football guy through and through. He loves it.

Speaker 7 (44:24):
He's like, Mattie, you guys don't have to worry about me.

Speaker 6 (44:26):
I know everybody's calling me, checking in on seeing what
I'm I'm staying busy. I'm going to my grandson's games.
I'm doing this. I mean, the guy, it seems like
when you talk to him, he's twenty years old and
he's definitely somebody that it will bring structure, he'll bring fun,
but he's a winner everywhere he's gone, and he will
bring a competitiveness back to that organization.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
He seems extremely likable, and it seems just from watching
it from ten thousand feet up that, obviously, I think
the Raiders made it known they wanted Ben Johnson didn't
get them. He chose to go to the Bears, and
from all reports that I've read, they just kept the
same guy as they had interviewed. Right, Brady was very
much a part of the process, and of those guys

(45:07):
they interviewed, they went with Pete Carroll. Do you feel
that they're bringing him in to kind of reset the program.
It's not like he has ten years of them, right.

Speaker 6 (45:17):
Right, I don't think he has ten years in him.
I do believe though, from a coaching standpoint, in a
name perspective, he is somebody that has prominence, right, he
has the respective league. He's somebody that has won a
Super Bowl, been to another super Bowl, had that opportunity
to potentially win that if you just hand off the
ball to Marshaun Lynch. But I wouldn't bring that up
in a conversation. But I do believe that he still

(45:41):
wanted to coach, and he's a guy that will come
into that organization and bring life even though he's seventy three.
He's somebody that guys will immediately gravitate to, and he
coaches in a way that's different than anybody else I've
ever been around.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
It's this.

Speaker 6 (45:56):
I think he's got a psychology background. It's very positive
by nature. He gets the best out of his players
because they understand what's expected, what's being demanded of them,
and at the same time, he makes it for a
fun environment that you enjoy coming to work, and that
sometimes is difficult to be able to capture in an
NFL locker room.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
What was he like when he recruited you? Did he
recruit you?

Speaker 6 (46:20):
He didn't recruit me. So my first year at USC
was Paul Hackett. He got fired in that season. That
offseason they went out and Mike Garrett was the AD
at USC and Pete Carroll was one of the names
being discussed and he was in the NFL. They didn't
know if he was going to make that transition back
to college football, and at that point he came in

(46:44):
and immediately you felt this surge of energy. You know,
he had a great staff with him, but he as
a leader again, has such a magnetic personality that for
who you were as a program at that period of time,
we needed that and that's exactly what he was able
to do. And then his personality took care of the rest.
He was able to go out recruit all around the country.

(47:07):
He can sit in front of any audience and talk
to the wall if you wanted to, and entertain them,
and so he was able to go out and recruit
the guys they wanted. He understood what he wanted to
do with the program, and he took us to New Heights.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
The Cowboys hired their coach Brian Schottenheimer. Interesting to me
because I have a lot of Cowboy friends, like diehard
fan friends, and I got to know Jerry a little bit.
Like Jerry did the whole thing, took us in his chopper,
spent the day with them. It's been awesome. So like,
I have a bit of a vested interest in the
Cowboys from a secondary level, and I hoped Dion would

(47:40):
get the job because I do know Dion, so all
these things, you know, it's all cowboy adjacent For me,
I really wanted Dean to get the job. Now I
don't know Brian Schottenheimer, and my friends are like, why
are we hiring somebody who's an offensive coordinator who didn't
call the plays and has been a lifetime coordinator and
not a head coach. I don't have the answer to

(48:01):
give them. You know him, right, I do know him.
So how would you convince me if I were a
iheard Cowboys fan to have hope in Brian Schoenheimer.

Speaker 6 (48:08):
Well, it's interesting because he's fifty four years old, he's
been coaching in the NFL, been a long time coordinator,
as you've said, and he comes from a lineage that's legendary, right,
Marty Schottenheimer his father. He's grown up around the game,
and everybody that I've been around that has played for
him likes him, says he's got a great football mind,
he sees it, he relates the players, he's got a

(48:29):
young energy about himself.

Speaker 7 (48:31):
So I think this has been a long time coming.
He just has not had that opportunity.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Now.

Speaker 6 (48:35):
I understand, as Dallas fans, you're sitting there going, well,
they hired from within a guy that Jerry's comfortable with,
somebody that potentially he can control all the same arguments
that are being made year in and year out. However, I
think this is a great opportunity for Brian to come
in and put his stamp on things. And at the

(48:55):
same time, I think he's a really good football coach.
So you got to let it play out. And you've
got a team there with Dak Prescott, Micah Parsons, You've
got pieces there that is not far away. You've got
a lot of good personnel that if you can start
to establish at Dak comes back healthy, well, he's been
a guy that's had success as a coordinator, and hopefully
he can put them in a position where they can compete.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
What I liked the guy.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
If I was sitting with him, you'd love him.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
You'd love him. What's he like as a dude.

Speaker 6 (49:23):
He's a dude, Like he'd sit here and have a conversation,
you'd go out and have a beer, do whatever it
might be. And he's just a guy that is very
relatable and you can sit down and he's got no ego,
just wants to win, wants to be the best that
he can be and get the best.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Out of his players. Last episode, I recommended the documentary
Chiefs a Holla on Amazon. It's about Chiefs Kingdom and

(49:59):
this one guy, Chiefs a Hall like the wre a
wolf costume and the story that I remember before I
watched the documentary, it was, here's a guy who was
a massive fan, huge social media following, and would rob
banks on the way to away games so he could
afford it.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
And I remember telling you you got to watch it.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
And it's tough to recommend something that's like two hours
long because there's a lot of pressure.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
It was really long, actually way longer.

Speaker 7 (50:22):
They could have cut that by about an.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Hour almost Okay, Okay, it was entertaining the entire time
though all set.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
What did you think about it?

Speaker 6 (50:31):
It was the craziest story I or documentary that I've
watched in a long time, because at first they're explaining
this guy and his kind of alter ego as the
chief Aholic or Wolfman or whatever they called him, and
just at every game and all this stuff, and then
all of a sudden, I remember it vaguely, but then

(50:51):
to watch it and actually go through the timeline and
understand that this guy was a serial bankropt.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
He got good at it. He rode a bike.

Speaker 6 (51:00):
Away from the crime scene, like through the woods, and
then figured it out. And how about the target, like
the obsession with target, and he would put the money
in a target bag.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
But he was successful.

Speaker 6 (51:13):
And then the fact that he was out on bond
and was able to take off his bread his little
tracker device.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
And they couldn't find him for what eight nine months.

Speaker 6 (51:23):
FBI is involved, the bounty hunters, bounty hunters looking for him.

Speaker 7 (51:28):
He's like, man, I'm gonna eat eighty grand right now.

Speaker 6 (51:30):
I mean it was and while he was out as
a fugitive, still robbing banks, winning on a bike, still
doing the same thing. I just it blew my mind.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
And without spoiling all of it, because we're not trusting,
we're just scratching the surface. Oh yeah, he was caught
because he was on his bike and he had robbed
a bank in Oklahoma, initially right in Bixby, Oklahoma. And
as they were looking for the bank robber, there was
some random do on a bicycle, which wouldn't be much
of a story except it was like twenty degrees outside
right that was it was awkward. Guy, is there a

(52:04):
guy on a ike in the middle of winter? If
you have Amazon Prime, it's worth it. I expected to
split it into two parts, but I was so into
it I went in and watched it all together. Kevin'd
you watch it yet? I have not, but I've heard,
Oh I forgot you start? Then you started?

Speaker 4 (52:20):
It started.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
It's a lot.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
I hate the chiefs so much.

Speaker 7 (52:23):
Yeah, it is a lot of chiefs.

Speaker 10 (52:25):
But I heard once you get past that, since we've
talked about it, like first ten to fifteen minutes, it
does get more into the story less chief kingdom ish?

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Is that right? Maybe it made me feel like a
loser a bit because they are so die hard Chiefs Kingdom.
They're so die Hard and I let Arkansas razor back
football and basketball dictate my mood for days at a time.
That that was me looking in a mirror, not liking
who I was. Now, do I have a car that
looks like that? No?

Speaker 7 (52:52):
But do you have a room that's set up with
all the memorabilia?

Speaker 6 (52:56):
No?

Speaker 1 (52:56):
But I'm not that far from that. Like I think
my it's a word for my wife. I probably have
a whole house looking like that.

Speaker 7 (53:03):
Do you ever Arkansas razor back tattoos?

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Somewhere? I have the state of Arkansas tattoo.

Speaker 7 (53:08):
See see you're getting there.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Well that's because eventually I may possibly run for governor
of the state. And when I was like bouncing around
doing TV shows and stuff, always wanted to represent you
did more than you know, have a hog. But I
think where's it at?

Speaker 6 (53:24):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (53:24):
So here? All my tattoos are on this arm. I
see the State's right there.

Speaker 8 (53:27):
That's hard crush it basically a biker dude.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
That's not it. Come on, what is it? That's not
it at all? That's it. I'm so insulted the pig.
You know what. Now we're even for me going how
many rings do you have?

Speaker 3 (53:40):
I'm as insulted.

Speaker 7 (53:41):
That's what I wanted to do. I wanted to just
how do you think it goes?

Speaker 3 (53:44):
I don't know what do you guys do? It's a
pig right, sue up? I don't know what.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
What's the word to you that you think it is?

Speaker 7 (53:53):
I have no idea. I'm really not an razorback fan.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
I'm sorry. I never expect you to be.

Speaker 7 (53:58):
I mean just because I didn't grow up there.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
No part of me expects you to know anything about Arkansas?

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Is it? Now we're talking? At least you have that?
So yeah, it's suwey right. Yeah, so it's what the
saying is, woo pig or if you go full, it's
woo pig suey. But do it with enthusiasm, you go
pig sue and then on the third time you go
raiz or bags. Yeah that's right. So we do not

(54:27):
sue a pig. So I'm so, I'm so insulted.

Speaker 7 (54:32):
Didn't you mess around with a little bit? You know,
I had a little some to it.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
You didn't mess around with a pig?

Speaker 3 (54:36):
I was like from Arkansas?

Speaker 1 (54:37):
But no, I did not mess around with it. Don't
you know? I have a pig at your house?

Speaker 7 (54:42):
At my house. Yeah, we got it during COVID. This
is a whole nother story. Pet pig, a pet pig.
A dream for me was to get a pet pig
my whole life.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Yeah. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (54:49):
They're very smart animals, but you want to hear this story.
So we get these two pigs, Juliana pigs. They're only
supposed to be forty pounds. Bring them home. I had
set up this like little corral area, got them a
big house. The kids were down there sitting with it.
So I leave to go on some aarons. I get
a phone call from my wife, Honey, you need to
come home right now. I was like, what's the matter.
She's like some of the matter with one of the pigs.

(55:11):
Clay was sitting on the ground and wiggled out of
his arms, won't get back out, laboring the breath.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
I was like, uh, okay, we've had these pigs for
two hours.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
It's like pop belly pigs.

Speaker 7 (55:20):
No, like Juliana pigs are.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Not as they're called Julianna pig. They are got it,
Yes they are.

Speaker 6 (55:27):
Sorry, my wife wanted me to it would correct me
if I said, yeah, but they're like forty pounds or
supposed to be forty pounds. Nonetheless, get home. She's out
in front of the barn. She's got this thing in
her arms. Some of the kids are emotionally distraught. Other
kids are totally fine. Take this pig in. And I
was like, you guys stay here like and I'm like,
paying pet vet here. I literally checked for a pulse.
I mean, this thing's like this, uh, eyes open, tongue out.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
I was like, oh my.

Speaker 6 (55:50):
Gosh, the pig is dead, completely dead. And so my
wife's like, should we take it to go get in
an autopsy. I was like, what, no, I'm not paying
for any CSI. This is a pig, right, So I
go back, get the shovel, put it in the back
of it's dead.

Speaker 7 (56:05):
Oh yeah, I went and buried it in the backwoods.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
I thought there's gonna be a warm ending to.

Speaker 6 (56:09):
This, but like, well, the other one survived and it
is not forty pounds, it's like one hundred and twenty.
I think that they mix mixed breed like Juliana pig
and a potbelly. This sings massive. Even the vet came
over to check on this thing and goes, I think
it's a little bit obese like, it's hardly able to
open up its size. I have one hundred and twenty
pound pick at your house.

Speaker 7 (56:28):
Yes, it's got to be around one hundred.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
Now.

Speaker 6 (56:30):
We've put it on a diet since then, which means
basically just don't feed it, and it's lost a little weight.
So it's getting to its summer, you know, it's getting
in the spring, getting ready to get back out there
and maybe run some hills.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Indoor pig at all, No, not at all, okay, so
always outdoor pig.

Speaker 7 (56:44):
Always outdoor pick. Just rum in is the entire day.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Because ice to slop hogs.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Back in the day, my uncle had a bunch of
hogs and we would go and create slot basically out
of stuff rush off to throw away. Right, yeah, so
we go and slap a bunch of hogs. Had nothing
to do with being the Arkansas razorbags, but we slapped
a bunch of hogs, and they were massive because they
were literal fat pigs, right, not pigs that you pet
and hold dearly.

Speaker 6 (57:08):
Oh you can, you know you can pet the pig
do all that. Her name sprinkles, See that's Charlott's web
type stoffs. Yeah, dude, Well Sprinkles.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Don't worry.

Speaker 6 (57:16):
Oh, speaking of the hat we went in, all the
kids got to put in their names. Of course, daughter Sprinkles,
so we got pig names Sprinkles one hundred and twenty pounds,
Big Bruiser.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
I feel like we've learned more on this one episode,
just generally, then all the other episodes combined. This is awesome.
Give any other animals.

Speaker 6 (57:36):
We I actually have another funny story. We've got two goats,
miniature dwarf goats. Now this with these, this was not
a purchase that I wanted. A buddy of mine for
my birthday this last year said hey, Cass, I've got
something for your birthday. Can I bring it over. I
was like, yeah, I'll be home around four. I'm thinking
he's bringing over, you know, a bottle of wine something.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
I pull up.

Speaker 6 (57:56):
He's got his trailer hitch to the back of his truck,
and I'm like, what the heck is he doing. He
jumps out with this big smile on his face, and
my other buddies with him, who just happened to buddy
along with him because he wanted to see my reaction
opens a trailer. He's got two miniature dwarf goats, Nigerian
dwarf goats that are about this big. Hey come running

(58:17):
out and he's like, you're welcome, dude, here's your birthday present.
I was like, what are you doing. He's like, they're yours.
I bought them for you. You've got plenty of land.
You're fine, and leaves them there. Within thirty minutes, the
biggest storm of the year came through, I mean thunder light.

Speaker 7 (58:32):
I have nowhere to put them. I've got to put
them on the side of my house, on the little
run right by the pole.

Speaker 6 (58:37):
Who everywhere. I have no idea what to do with
these goats. Worst president I've ever got, but very funny.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Now do you like them though? Are you going to
love them?

Speaker 6 (58:44):
No?

Speaker 7 (58:45):
I think that they're useless animals, completely honest with you.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
See, they got it mixed up though. The pig should
have been small and the goat should have been bigger. Yeah, yeah,
I agree with you.

Speaker 6 (58:53):
They goats. Sometimes they get upset. They'll go headbutt my kids,
and I think it's funny. I think that's the funniest
thing they do. But they have they've got irritable bowel syndrome.
They can't control anything. I mean there's poop everywhere.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Do they at least semi mo parts of the yard.

Speaker 6 (59:11):
They eat whatever, including if you put up like the
different reefs on the door for a Christmas time, they
jump up and try to eat the reefs off, even
if they're fake reefs off of the thing.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Are you feeding them though? It feels like you just
we given.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
We give them some, Yes, we'd We're good pet owners.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Let's go petting zoo. Dude, pet We've got chickens.

Speaker 10 (59:34):
I want to come over.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Well, and I grew brought a bunch of animals, but
not around Nigerian miniature. They are cute. They're cute.

Speaker 7 (59:41):
Theyre's pointless animals.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
If friends come over, they want to see the goats.
Ever is that?

Speaker 6 (59:45):
Like course, are you kidding me? My friends half the
time just they don't want to come to see me.
They want to bring their kids so they can go
to the petting zone. Great stories, yeah, chiefs the Hall
watch it? You watch anything good right now?

Speaker 4 (59:56):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (59:56):
You know?

Speaker 7 (59:56):
I was into the Lioness awesome watch both seasons.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
No, I'm just starting the second season. Is season is
even better.

Speaker 6 (01:00:05):
It's it's super intense. What's the other one? Landman Love
Billy Bob.

Speaker 7 (01:00:13):
Those are the two that I've kind of been into recently.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Lions we had relatively high expectations, surpass them. Zoe Saldonia,
She's incredible, She's awesome. She is and she plays that
role her intensity that she brings to every episode. I'm like,
Man and lion S is a program, and it's a
real program, yeah, where they specifically need women to do
jobs because men can't get to certain places right without

(01:00:38):
spoiling too much. Have you watched The Agency? I started
The Agency? It's best. That's really good too.

Speaker 6 (01:00:45):
It gets a little slow at times, but now with
all the different dynamics in the relationship that he has
and kind of being compromised but trying to hide it.
I mean, there's so many different elements of the show
that you're intrigued by, and you're going, man, there's so
much going on in these guys world.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
At the beginning, you're right, because they're trying to be
as specific as they can what the CIWI does that
it can bog you down a bit. But about after
episode two and a half, it's one of the best
shows I've seen in a year or so. It just
finished and you have all.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Your and and the characters to the development of those characters.

Speaker 6 (01:01:20):
I think that's what makes a great show anytime, is
it takes a few episodes to develop the character in
the storyline, but they're outstanding in their roles. And also
just all the international attention now going into this show,
you're just going, wow, where's this going to go?

Speaker 7 (01:01:34):
Because it can go so many different directions.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Are you a Severance guy?

Speaker 6 (01:01:37):
No, I'm going to now have to check this out.
I'll take any recommendation. Top five show of life, of
your life? What would give me one more that would
be in that category? Dancing with the Stars, the season
that you are on.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Number one? No, not that great acting? Okay, fair enough,
fair enough, so top show. But they all don't have
to be serious like I think.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
No, they don't.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
For me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
I loved The Office. That's my favorite show. I love
it so but that's that sensibility is a bit different.
The Office is one of the best shows in my lifetime. Now,
if I had to mount rushmore shows, I would put
Severance up there. It takes a second, but do you
know the premise? Even I can give you the premisse
real quick. Yeah, give me the premise. So you go

(01:02:22):
into work at this place, and they put a chip
in your brain, and when you're in at work, the
chip is on and you only remember that. So when
you leave, the chip is off, so you don't remember work.
So when you're home, you don't remember work. When you're work,
you don't remember home. You have two separate that they
separate you, and then it feels like you never leave

(01:02:42):
work though, so you're trapped at work. It's wild. Ben
Stiller directs it. Adam Scott's like the main character's severance guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
dark was good. Oh dark is awesome. Dark, you like it.
It was German, so I didn't see that. That was
tough for a minute, but it was German. So sub

(01:03:04):
to squad game too, see a game I've seen Sweed
game one the whole first season. Huh no, not the
whole first season. See, I got to catch up. I
don't always get time to sit down here, and God
cares kids go it's feeding feeding the farm. A lot
of my time though, even with video games, because I
will play in Cuba football, I wake up at like
two o'clock in the morning. Sometimes I don't sleep well,

(01:03:25):
and I also I have to get up early for
my job. That's where I do this stuff because nobody
there's nothing else I work. But then it's like, I
got forty five minutes.

Speaker 6 (01:03:32):
Is there anything better than getting on a treadmill though,
and walking in an inn client and watching the show.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
I would rather watch a game. I would rather watch
a game than a show. Really, Yeah, on a treadmill
because I don't Yeah, yeah, because mostly I've kind of
pride that. Yeah. So my favorite thing to do is
crank up the treadmill Arkansas basketball game and just go
until halftime because that's an hour and fifteen twenty minutes. Yeah,

(01:03:59):
keep you hockey. Yeah, so I got I'm on like
a four pace and then I got a cranked up
to like five or six.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
That's pretty high, right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 7 (01:04:09):
And then really squeezing those glues.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
I'm dying. Yeah. People were like, walking's easy. Yeah, walking
on the freaking incline. That stuff sucks. Severance, I love it.
So I'm gonna go Severance, I'm gonna go to office.
I'm gonna come back with this. Yeah, figure it out
your next week, your top four TV shows of all time?
Kevin finally asked some questions. Wrap us up here by
the way, everybody that's listening to this, thank you so much.

(01:04:33):
If you don't mind posting in your stories that you
listen to this, we can use the help. Like, we're
just two guys, we're just from the streets, you know,
trying to make it. Yeah, so so really we're you know,
we just started from scratch and we're trying to make
this podcast work. And if you wouldn't mind if you
do enjoy it shared on your Instagram stories, that would
be awesome. So thank you for that. All Right, Kevin's

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got five questions to get to know Matt and Bobby.
I've not seen these, so we're gonna go.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
We'll take turns. Going first, go ahead, all right, Bobby
you're first.

Speaker 10 (01:05:01):
What was your first car?

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
Oh, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Eighty seven Subaru that I mowed yards non stop for
worked at the marina. That's where I learned to fix boats.
Was when I worked at the marina and bought the
car for like eight hundred dollars. And it was a tank.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
It worked, that thing never broke down.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
That's crazy. For eight hundred dollars, it was the greatest
car it looked like for eight hundred dollars. Yes, hey,
And this is at like the thirties, we're eight hundred
dollars is ten million today you probably could get it
for like thirty five hundred bucks. Now.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
It was an awesome car.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
I'm I think the year was around that, but it
was a little suber U. And listen, I didn't get girls,
so it didn't matter. So it didn't keep me from
getting girls. I wasn't getting girls in a Lamborghini, so
but it was the old Suberu. What about you.

Speaker 6 (01:05:52):
So it's interesting because I didn't have a car throughout
high school, did not have a car in college, which
is always when I started to court my wife and
she said I asked her.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Out on a date.

Speaker 6 (01:06:03):
Then the dilemma was how do I figure out telling her, like,
she's got to pick me up for our first date.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
So I was like, I don't have a car, but
is it all right if you pick She's like all right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:06:16):
So then I get to the league and Brady was
able to hook me up with this car guy as
in Tom Tom Brady. Tom Brady was able to hook
me up with a car guy that gave me a
car while I played there. But your first car was
a car given to you while you were in the NFL. Well,
they didn't give it to me. They just gave it
to me for the season. So they gave it to
me the entire time I was there. Then I went
to Kansas City, and that was kind of the norm

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is you could set up a car deal. So then
I had a car when I got to Kansas City.
Throughout e and I had a car there. So I
purchased my first car when I left Kansas City going
to Minnesota. It was a Cadillac Escalade.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Yesterday, you bought a Cadillac Escalade. Yeah, how did you know?

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
I have one?

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
In high school college, how did you get around? I
mean there wasn't uber.

Speaker 7 (01:06:55):
No, just had really good friends that picked me up.

Speaker 6 (01:06:58):
But even going to school sometimes my senior year, I
would just go down and get on the public bus.
I'd go down to the bus stop, walk down like
two three blocks, wait there, ding ding ding, get on
paymal thing and it take me down to school.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
That's what I do. That's wild. Yeah, I get a
bus though, So okay, you had public transportation, although not
the most glamorous, No, it was great.

Speaker 7 (01:07:21):
I've met a lot of great people on the bus.

Speaker 6 (01:07:23):
They always looked at me like it was weird too,
And I had my backpack and a lot of people
are going to work and.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
I'm like going to school.

Speaker 7 (01:07:28):
I was like, this next stop will be fine, pull
in the chain.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Oh that's great.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Your first was a bus like that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
There we go.

Speaker 10 (01:07:34):
All right, question too, all right, what's the furthest you've
ever been from home?

Speaker 6 (01:07:37):
You go first on this one? Mm, furthest I've ever
been from home? I guess it would be London. London.
We went there and the only reason I was there
was because I was with the Minnesota Vikings. We were
playing the Steelers in London and I got a trip
over there, got to play play the Steelers in London.

Speaker 7 (01:07:54):
It was awesome. That's the furthest I've ever been.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Have you ever been overseas any other time?

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:08:00):
I can't say I have been. Yeah, I'm not very cultured.
My wife, on the other hand, she.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
Get two cars given to you, you're the coolest guy
ever and two goes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:08:07):
I mean I've been to Mexico, definitely been to Mexico,
have been to Canada, been to Europe once and I
that's one of my goals is to do that. But
when we got married, and then kids started coming along.

Speaker 7 (01:08:18):
It was just travel to go. It's a goal of
ours is to get it over to Europe.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Wow, mine would be probably Japan. And so I never
even went out of the state till I got lateeen.
Never left the country. But my goal was because I
never we never went on a vacation. Even as family,
we'd have any money, so we didn't go on vacations.
And so my goal was to go to places that
TV shows were because I watched a bunch of TV

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shows right on Full House, Jesse and the Rippers, they
played in Japan, and so I thought, that's where I
want to go. On The Ready Bunch, they went to Hawaii.
That's where I want to go. Friends, they went to London.
That's where I want to go. So that's how and
I did almost all of them by myself.

Speaker 6 (01:09:00):
I love the fact that you just used show references
and they're like, that looks cool. That's the only way,
and this is where I want to go. I watched
Friends today and they mentioned they were in London shooting,
so I went to London. I was blown away at
how old the buildings were, like hundreds of years before
our country even existed. They have buildings still standing. You
was going to make up ice cream Sunday and it's

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like this building wasn't twelve hundred. I know, when you're
in America, you forget our history is so young, and
then you see it and go somewhere else and they're like,
this has been around for thousands of years.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Japan was wild. I bet it was.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
I felt like you feel here, meaning I was a monster.
I was taller than everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
It was really awesome. Yeah, so dude, yes everybody, because
that's what you did. Everybody. Matt just walked out. Yes,
Japan was really It was super clean and there was
no crime. People were wearing masks just generally because they
didn't want to get other people sick. This is like
ten years it was the most this is before mass
word thing. It was seven eight years before masks, and

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I remember going, these are the most courteous people I've
ever seen because they're wearing masks if they're in a
place that's very crowded because they don't want to get
people sick. It wasn't about them not getting sick, it
was about them not wanting to get other people sickfulness.
It was wild. They had no trash cans on the street.
See you have something in your hand, you'd be like,
where's the trash can? You just held it until you
got back to your room or home. Really no litter.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
So Japan was awesome. That would be my answer.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
I went to Australia. I went to Keith Urban's house
for a Christmas party. While I was over there, flex
I'm gonna flex, yeah, I don't mind. I don't mind flexing.
I was over and I posted like on Twitter something
I'm like, I'm in Australia and Keith saw it and
texted me. It was like, dude, we're home now, where
are you staying?

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
And I told him.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
He's like, We're have a Christmas party tonight. Come over.
So I went over to Keith.

Speaker 7 (01:10:46):
Nichole's greatest timing ever in Austin.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Yes, in Australia, and I think it was full of
Australian famous people. I didn't know them, but they would
be like, this is the voice about back Steakhouse or
something like that. I know that wasn't but yes, yes, Australian.
But that was my Australia story. That's awesome, great, good question.

Speaker 10 (01:11:05):
All right, the next one here bobbyre gonna stick with you.
Have you ever had a death experience or near death experience?

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
Uh, the serious one or the accident? Okay, I'll do
the serious one first. I have a scar that runs
from my stern them all the way down past my
belt line. When I was young, I fell up a
house and ruptured my spleen. They had to remove it,
so like I almost died there, like internal drilling. That's
like a serious one. That's really the one that I
would go if it wasn't they were being lighthearted. On

(01:11:34):
my show Breaking Bobby Bones, I had to go on
a cable over the Grand Canyon four thousand feet and
clean the bottom of the skybridge, and I thought I
was going to die. It was the scariest thing ever
you have to do. It was the show. The show.
The show was called Breaking Bobby Bones, where the whole
purpose was to break.

Speaker 7 (01:11:52):
They were legitimately trying to break you or kill you
or made me quit.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
So it's on Amazon.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Episode one is the Grand Canyon episode where they have
to hire a guy once a year to come and
clean the bottom of that glassy bridge that you look through,
And so they were like, you're gonna do it? I
hate heights. To let go of myself on that cable
that I thought I was gonna die for two days,
I was thankful to be alive. So that, to me,
that's the scariest part. Whenever I like really got hurt,

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I didn't really know how severe it was. As a kid,
that part, I thought at any point the cable was
gonna break and I was just gonna plunge four thousand
feet to my death. It was scarier than skydiving, and
I hated that too.

Speaker 7 (01:12:30):
But plus, you're hanging there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
It's awful. Yeah, it's how long are you up there?
The real story?

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
They gave me a time limit to clean it. But
and I'm not exaggerating.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
One of the camera guys who was actually on the
skybridge right, so he's not hanging.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Nobody's hanging but me.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
One of the camera guys, a camera falls off his
helmet and they're like, we have to hold for twenty minutes.
We reset. I'm on the line and I'm like, what
do you mean hold the reset? They're like, so you
can't clean or do anything because everything's timed. We just
want you to sit here. You just have to sit there.
Because I was my wife had the ears my microphone

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and so I'm wearing a mic obviously put the TV
show and she had the ears to be able to
hear everything through the mics. She could hear I was
almost cry I was so scared. I was almost crying,
and it made her cry. I could see her crying,
and I was like, what's wrong? But she could just
hear me. It was the worst.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
It's episode one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
If you ever get so bored, I'm gonna go laugh
watch it. It's terrible. That would be mine you near
death experience any No, I wouldn't say that riding the bus.

Speaker 6 (01:13:37):
I mean yeah, I mean every time you step on No,
I mean I guess near I don't know if it's
near death or not. No, it wouldn't be near death
because one time we were taking a plane and all
of a sudden, emergency land thirty minutes and I've got
my whole family on there.

Speaker 7 (01:13:52):
We're going back for the season, and next thing I know,
the guy comes.

Speaker 6 (01:13:57):
Over pilot and says, hey, everybody, just say calm, We're
just gonna have to land this plane. We're an hour
maybe into this fight. Emergency land in the middle of nowhere. Boom,
and as we're coming down to land. You see every
emergency vehicle out.

Speaker 7 (01:14:13):
Oh my gosh, So we land.

Speaker 6 (01:14:15):
They then the pilots go into go mode, get us
all off. They escorts to the thing. Well they said
that as they're as they took off, and then they're
about an how are in? All the emergency lights come in,
say there's a fire in the back where the luggage was,
and so they land this plane, get down, they're there
to hose down do all this stuff. Well, they said
that it was a false alarm or whatever, But I mean,

(01:14:38):
in the real time, I was like, oh my gosh. Yeah,
my wife's, my kids, everything work, and they won't say
anything because they don't want you to panic or anything
like that. I was like, oh my gosh, that was
kind of felt like the near death experience for me.

Speaker 10 (01:14:54):
Yeah, that's that counts pretty legit.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
That makes because I hate flying. I'm a theory that
every time the pilots get in the air, they look
at each other and go, can you believe this heavy
thing still got gets up? Like seriously some of the
planes crazy. Okay, two more questions ahead.

Speaker 10 (01:15:06):
All right, Matt, if you could have dinner with anyone
alive who would it.

Speaker 6 (01:15:10):
Be dinner with anybody alive? You know, you want to
make this interesting, and I really I know that's what
I'm saying. You want to make them famous. You want
to make it interesting somebody that. I mean, I wouldn't
mind going out to dinner with Michael Jordan. I'm not
gonna lie.

Speaker 7 (01:15:27):
I just think that his stories and he also likes
to gamble.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
He's gonna have a good time.

Speaker 6 (01:15:32):
He might have a cigar, he might have his little scotch,
but you're gonna get a lot out of it. Unless
he looks at me and goes, why am I at
dinner with you? Castle, Well, that will not be allowed
in this hypothetic boy. He wanted to have dinner with you.
So we basically my vision is we played thirty six
holes of golf. You know, afterwards, we go in, have

(01:15:52):
a little little drink, we get ready for dinner. They've
got a room set up, We go in, you know,
games on. We could sit there. He's he's highlighting the
different stuff and then tell an old story beautiful and
highlights yeah, and then Charles then Charles Barkley comes on
a halftime and then Jordan's like telling me, just ripping

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stories about Charles Berkley.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
I mean it's it would go on and on. Yeah,
fantasy Land, Yeah, there you go. Uh. Mine would be
David Letterman. It's my hero. Never got to meet him,
still alive. I watched a guy who was quirky looking,
who wasn't the traditional square job good looking guy in
TV Little Lad, a little reverent, and I was like, dang,
I'm kind of odd and weird. Maybe I can do that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
So mine would be David Letterman.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
That's good. Yeah, And then we watched Jordan's highlights and
then Charles Barkley.

Speaker 7 (01:16:44):
All of a sudden, the casino's right there and we
all meet up together.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
All right. Final final question?

Speaker 10 (01:16:49):
Yeah, last one here. What is your best accomplishment, non
professional or family?

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
Bobby? Okay, I'm glad you put that. Yeah, said no family,
because I would have felt pressure to go getting my
wife to marry me. In case you heard this, there's
that pressure, she heard, Yeah, because obviously it is right.
But you said, but if it can't be like in
the media, I can't. Okay, I would go getting an

(01:17:14):
honorary doctorate because I am officially doctor Bobby at the
University of Arkansas. And speaking of graduation when they and
when they gave me the doctorate like that to me?
That or buying my mom like a trailer or land
like when I first started to make money before she died,
like I think, but that's that's family. I can't do that.

Speaker 10 (01:17:33):
Yeah, you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
Yep, you can't.

Speaker 10 (01:17:35):
You can't do I know, professional or family, I know related.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Okay, I'm gonna go with does that count me getting
my my honorary doctor at University of Arkansas?

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Yeah, okay, doctor Bobby.

Speaker 10 (01:17:46):
I'm now on have a doctor to say with doctor
Bobby and Matt.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Yes, what about you? You know, did you buy your
parents or something for somebody when you got money? My
mom tell me, I want to hear the story that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
What is it?

Speaker 6 (01:17:57):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Well, it was it was.

Speaker 6 (01:17:58):
I always said, what if I ever get to a
position where I can get my mom a place which
we grew up in the house that she provided all that,
but she always wanted to be near the beach in
Santa Monica. We found a place. I was able to
get that for her and do that. So that was cool.
That was very special because you can give back in
that way. So yeah, that was that story. Let's see

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here biggest accomplishment outside of family and prefer football. Outside
of football, you know, I was with a charity in
Kansas City and that was it was interesting to be
a part of that and then like kind of help

(01:18:42):
help establish it. It was called Shadow Buddies and it
was for kids with different different ailments in the hospital
and we were able to go and provide condition specific
dolls and stuff like that.

Speaker 7 (01:18:55):
But I think stuff like that it brings meaning to
your life.

Speaker 6 (01:18:59):
And so I'd say some of the charitable stuff that
myself my wife we used to put on a pink party,
So I was part of that as well, which is
for any there's young girls in the hospital that had
cancer and stuff like that, that they would go and
give them a day of pamper. Like they'd have wigs,
they do their dales, they do all these things just
to you know, just kind of bring a little lightheartedness
and some love to those kids. So I'd say that

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was a pretty big accomplishment just because it's something that's
not about you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
It's about giving back. Dang I went selfish. Oh that
was shame me. I won't well, I mean, you guys
were selfish. I was like accomplishments. There's so many a
hole in one. I was thinking like something fun, and
all of a sudden I could die.

Speaker 6 (01:19:38):
I've never had a hole in one. Still still trying
to trying to get that accomplished.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
I thank you all for listening. By the way, my
depending on when you listen to this, yeah, it won't matter.
My comedy special will be on CMT on February fourth,
which is Tuesday, coming up. If you're listening the current week,
nine eight Central on CMT. Yeah, Dolly's in it, which
is super cool. The Dolly was like, I'll be in
your special, but Dolly pardon. Yeah you guys, so we're clear.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Yeah, just say you're a clear. But that'll be on
CMT nine eight Central.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Check it out. Read Arberry run a video guy running
all the creative visuals kickoff, Kevin producing the show. That's
Matt Castle. I'm Bobby Bones and we have had lots
to say, Thank you, guys, lots to say with Bobby
Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL

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