May 12, 2020 • 30 mins
Barnett reveals the truth of the LC, Jessica and Amber love triangle.
And, he details a date we never saw.
Plus, How he knew Amber was the one...and all the details of their proposal
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
All right, back on Love Inside. It is a part two.
We're gonna have a three part series with our man,
Matt Barnett, and this I believe. Let look, if it's
a sandwich, they get to know Barnett as a slice
of bread. After this, we're gonna kind of ask for
some observations on some things that were happening around him. Uh.
And this is the meat and it is up to you, Barnett.
You can choose what type of meat you want to be.
(00:29):
But we're gonna get into it here. This it sounds terrible, right,
but whatever, there's the visual. I've been known as meat before.
It's fine. There we go exactly meat. So here we
go Love Triangle. Um, we left the people. Last episode
you mentioned you was in your your top four and
then it seemed from our you know from watching the show,
it got whittled down into a three. Jessica Amber and
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Elsie and um, is that accurate? And what can you
share about how long the final three went on for you? Uh?
One day? It really it's one day? So uh, I think, yeah,
I had the conversation with Jessica. I think, uh the
night where I said, you know, I just like want
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a decision made like that kind of night and where
it sounded like I was telling her that she was
the only person on her or only person in the
place that I would propose her. Um. I think that
was just the night. And then the next day we
had the conversation where it's like, let's play a game.
Do you still feel the same way you talk about
me as you did last night? And I was like no,
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I mean I didn't not like her. I still had
like like I had built a relationship with her, but
I had, you know, gone on such a good date
with both Amber and LC at that time. And I
was like, I can't I can't say I feel the
same way because these other two amazing girls are still here,
and I like, I don't want to waste I don't
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want to throw all my eggs in one basket in
and not see where these other places could go, really
or these other I mean, like that's the hardest part
about being there is that you know you had all
this time to break down and and build relationships with
with multiple people that are like everyone on the show
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was really a good person deep down, I feel like
and and you know you got to find that out,
and like you don't in normal dating, you don't really
get the opportunity to, like see if that person is
a good person, and you can never really trust what
you're talking about. I guess because you just it's not
the same it's not the same conversations that you have.
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So when when you're talking to these amazing people and
you realize that they're all amazing and like you could
you could possibly, like anybody would be lucky to have
them as their wife. So like, I don't want to
miss an opportunity to, if you know, to find the
best person that's going to be the best person for
me and make me the happiest and let me make
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them the happiest person. So so I think it's kind
of I don't know, I kind of rambled, but no,
it's okay. That's why I let you go. I mean,
there's a lot to unpack there in the In the
last episode, you had mentioned that, you know, when when
guys that you didn't want to share anything because if
there was a competition. I was surprised that it was
your answer that if there was a competition, that you
would be more apt to say, okay, you you go ahead,
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and and and and take you know, you follow that
and I'll back off a little bit. Do you think
that happened with Jessica? Because Mark was your roommate, you
shared that with us, and because he was so attached
to her that maybe you backed off a little bit.
I think it helped push me to back off. I
think it did um because I mean, he was so
like into her and like we had had we had
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had deep conversations and and and you know, I felt
really close to her, and I felt like we could
have a lot of fun together and like be a
happy help. But I I saw the way he left
the pods when he talked to her, and like how
happy he was and how much it, like, you know,
it affected him. And I was like, when I leave
the pods with her, I don't have that same I mean,
I like, I have good feelings about her, but I
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don't have the same feelings that he does obviously, And
I'm like, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna step on
this guy's toes anymore, because it's not fair. It's not
fair for me to just sit there and and say, oh, yeah,
I want to marry you, and then you know, I
don't actually feel a percent that way, you know, Like
I mean, like I don't know, it's it's it's hard
to explain how much was going on when you only get,
(04:28):
you know, a few minutes of content. I guess that's
why we're here. That's why we're here to get a
few more minutes of Instead of getting three minutes, we
want to get like thirty to forty five. So what
about the the I guess description the way that that
Jessica kind of felt you and her left that last
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conversation or the penultimate conversation before the one where you
essentially said, yeah, this isn't gonna happen. That that she
insists that you proposed to her to some degree, Like
what did you make of that interpretation? So I was
really confused, and I knew Mark was into her at
that point, and I was like, I just really like
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I wasn't prepared to like be competing with people. I
wasn't thinking about competing with people. And when that had,
when when I found out that him and Taylor actually
we're both going after and I was like, I just
need like I need some clarity, I need someone to
like I need help basically, And in that moment, I
was like I just I want, I want, I want
someone to make a decision, Like like she was still
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between all three of them and we had one good
day and I was like, I need to to to
make this easier for me, like either go with him
or go with me, that kind of thing. So so
go with one of them and go with me. But yeah,
so did you would you agree with kind of like
her position that that by giving her sort of that
ultimatum you could kind of understand where she was coming from.
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Or did it catch you by surprise like when she
approached you after you and I know, I'm kind of
jumping ahead here, were you kind of prize that that
she was as aggressive after you too ended up meeting
down in Mexico and kind of through the apartments and
those sort of conversations we got to watch. So one
of the things that you guys really didn't get to
see was are we had one more date? After she
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walked out and said basically started calling me what everybody?
We had one more date after that? And like we
cleared the air and we were we were like, Okay,
we obviously have at least a friendship built here, but
like you know this, uh, it might not be more
than a friendship and like you always have my back,
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always have your back. That that kind of thing was
was stated in our in our our last date, and uh,
when she came to me in Mexico, I literally like
went straight to the friends zone, like that was my
my placement of her after that conversation, I was friend
zone to Jessica. I didn't know she had any intention
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or any any interest in me at that time. I
thought she was just looking out for my best interest.
So like when we dated, when we had the conversation
of the pool, she was like, are you sure you're happy?
Like you this is the right person for you, And
I was like, yeah, no, I'm happy because this is
like I thought she was looking out for me the
whole time. So I didn't really know, you know, I
didn't know anything that was going on behind the scenes,
any conversations or even being had about me, because I
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wasn't it wasn't on my mind. She wasn't on my
mind in that sense, Like I just I wanted to
Mark to be happy, and I wouldn't her to be
happy at that point. And so to her being a
saboteur and and trying to maybe undermine your relationship with
it because it look at worked for the show, it
worked for us viewers. We kind of got our villain, right,
I mean, and you kind of need that in a show,
and that's you know, And she was very she pushed
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back a lot when I brought her up there. I said, no,
Jessica is a bad person like this is that you
know my interpretation. She just got with Mark to string
this thing out another week and and perhaps to to
get access to Barnett, like you know it was. I
think it was easy to jump to that conclusion based
on it. Yeah. Yeah, And it sounds like you don't
think that's fair, or do you think that's fair? I don't.
(08:00):
I don't really know what to say, because again I
didn't know any of the conversations were happening behind the scenes.
I know what Amber wants me to say, because she
I don't like. I don't like putting her on like
completely a villain. I know she was confused, but also
I don't, you know, I don't think it was respectful.
So I'm totally on her side about it, But you know,
(08:23):
I don't I don't think she's the worst person in
the world, but also she's what in that situation. It's
a weird situation for everyone, and you know, it's it's
completely confusing. I and we were all going through a
lot of stuff. So I can't like blame her for anything,
but I'm not gonna say that what she did was right.
Do you do you feel like you well, you said
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you told us there was a date that we didn't see,
So do you feel like you had that closure there
and that she just wasn't willing to follow it? I
thought we I thought we had that closure, yes, and
I didn't realize it. And I think up until my
birthday party, I didn't realize that like she had like
her like I'm not the smartest guy, and once I
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put her in that friend and I didn't realize anything
she was saying was kind of like inappropriate or came
off as inappropriate. And then I think about around my
birthday party, like I was like this, this is kind
of getting a little weird, like thinking about me and
stuff like yeah. So and then there was the h
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the second side of this, this triangle. I don't know
if it's an equilateral or isasles or what kind of
triangle it is, but some sort of rhombus I think
it's a okay, yeah, I guess that's true because we
had g in there as well. So what about um,
what about Elsie? Because that that was it was almost
sort of more painful, I think, because it was just,
you know, we kind of barely got to know her
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and really sort of the centerpiece of of LCI was
her being let down and crushed by the fact that
you did not pick her. What can you tell us
about your relationship with her? So wow? So the Elsie
was kind of like middle ground for me a long time,
and then like we started having more fun and more conversations,
and I was like, this girl is very similar to me,
(10:08):
Like we can be goofy. Like it was like, like
we're very alike. And I think that was one thing
that kind of kind of pushed me away from her.
That and then I think there's one conversation where, uh,
where I did where I actually decided I did that
I was going to marry Amber over ELC. And it
was a conversation that I had with l C where
she was like talking about her features like and and
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she was like, at least I have real boobs and
stuff like that, and I was like yeah, but like
like that's not what we're here for. And it kind
of like took me away from her, it kind of
pushed me back, and I was like she's she's trying
to win a competition or something along those lines, and
and it kind of felt like she didn't want to
be the person that wanted to get broken up with.
And I was like, that's totally me. I would be
that same way, but also like like I don't want
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that person. So when that realization happened, I think it
was actually like two days before I proposed the amber,
and I think after that, like after I made that decision,
I think we didn't get to go on another date
until the last day, so like so you didn't get
to see like I didn't get the Like there was
two days where I was like I can't tell you
that I can't, like I don't want to be with you,
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and like you're sitting there stressing out about this and
like you're going through all this pain, Like I don't
want to put you through any pain. I knew that
I didn't want to be with her, and I like
I couldn't do anything about it, and it was like
and it's like I don't I don't know what I'm
supposed to do here, so this is probably a bad
and I shouldn't do it. It's a terrible parallel. But
I'm kind of thinking of sort of, you know, now
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we have these these graphs in our brains as it
relates to the current situation where in the pandemic that's spreading.
But there are these bar graphs, and here's your numbers,
and you see these bars passing one another there. And
if we take these three of of LC, Amber and Jessica,
is it fair to say that it's a race where
the bar Jessica's bar passes Amber for a little bit,
then Amber kind of takes the lead and maybe l
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C gains an advance to George, did it seem like
it was Amber, Jessica Elsie, you know wind play show
kind of through the whole thing. So really it was
so weird because like I get to pick who, like
my top person was every every day, so like at
the end of the day, I would say, this person
is who I want to see again. They're they're number
one and the number two and number three basically, and
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I think I think that number changed a lot because
because I would have something pop up in a conversation
that I was not expecting and it would be like, wow,
that's something I really want, and like I would try
to focus on the things that I wanted out of
a marriage, and because because I was told constantly, I
was like, dude, you gotta stop worrying about other people's feelings.
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Like I felt bad about it, but like my all
my relationships up until being on the show, it was
I'm gonna focus, like I'm worried way too much about
other people's feelings and I'm never worried about my feelings.
And I've sat in relate long term relationships and been
like I'm not be but I don't want this person
to like like I don't want to hurt this person
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and not let them and like I don't know. Basically,
I was always worried about their their feelings. And then
and then someone came out to me in the pods
they're not in the pods, but in the in the
living area, and they were like, man, you gotta stop
worrying about their feelings. You gotta you gotta do what's
right for you, and you gotta kind of figure out
what's right for you. And I was like okay, And
so I was. I tried to I tried to push
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their feelings to the to the back so I could get,
you know, my head straight, and uh and yeah, I think,
I don't know. I think every time someone would say
something that that was something that I wanted, that would
kind of push them a little bit further to the front.
And it was very it was very tough because they all,
like I said, they were all great people, and it
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was really difficult. And I think once, I want to say,
like probably the third the last day, uh, one of
my last dates, not my last date, but I think
the one before it, LC gave me a gift and
it was like she had never been at the top
of my list, but she had always been like hovering
around the top of my list, and she gave me
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a gift and it was a like a CD player
with a CD and like the first song on it
was like like one of my favorite songs of all
time and it was like not not like a like
a common song, like like not one that every anybody
would be like, oh yeah, that's normal, like stair Away
to Heaven or something like that. Now, like what song
was it? Come on, we gotta know, shoot, what was it?
It was it was Casey Elephant, uh I think in
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my head or something like that. Yeah, and so so
I was like, oh wow, like I didn't expect it.
It kind of caught me off guard. I was like wow,
and like it kind of pushed her to the front
and I was like, Okay, maybe I need to give
her more of my attention. And then and then once
we had the next conversation where it was talking about
physical traits and stuff like that, and I was like,
maybe maybe not. And then that's kind of like this
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little thing kind of it was like a speed bump,
let's say, in my relationship with Amber, and it kind
of once I got past that, that was all Amber.
So right now, like anybody over the age, if I'd
say forty, it's like, yeah, the mixtape, man, it's still
alive and well you can still secure someone's art with
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the right song on a sweet SS mix tape. When
you were trying to process what was going on with
these these three, you know, as it got down to
the final or maybe even if it was the final
two when it was Jessica Amber, were you thinking about
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like marriage or was it kind of like a partner,
Like how how did you visualize like what you thought
you were going to get out of this? Was it
a full on Does that make sense? Like did you
visualize marriage and and and being together with them for
for the rest of your life or did you think about, Hey,
which is the cooler person and the more compatible for
me to maybe date? So I think initially when I
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came into the show, it was kind of like who
who I would be I'd like to date, And that's
kind of where it's led off. And then and then
once I got towards the cut last couple of days,
like with Jessica, Amber and LC, I started talking about
marriage a lot more because I was like, this is
the point of this is Like I like, I could
end up married at the end of this to one
of these people, and like that's kind of where my
conversation started started turning towards marriage a little bit more.
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And I, you know, and and I don't know, like
I didn't want to leave this with just a girlfriend,
I don't think. And and I wasn't going to get
engaged and then leave him at the altar and be like, yeah,
well just let's just date or something like that. That
wasn't that wasn't my goal. It was like if I'm
gonna get engaged, I'm gonna take it seriously and I'm
gonna marry this person, like I'm gonna put a hundred
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percent effort, like do whatever I can. And I think
like when I actually proposed to Amber, she gave me
an ultimatum. You guys didn't get to see, and it
was basically like we're in this together, you know, like
like I need you to be a percent in this
and and work with me every day to make sure
that you know, we have a marriage at last, And
you guys didn't get see. It looked like I just said, oh,
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will you married me? And she's like yeah, it wasn't it.
She she was like she took a step back and
started like grilling me and making sure that I was
going to be a hundred percent serious and I wasn't
gonna play games anymore. I was gonna be and and
I think like one of the one of the clips
they released on Twitter, like behind the scenes, like I
went up to Nicholas, she like again and like, yeah,
I'm a hundred percent in this. I'm a hundred percent
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in this. This This is just like she needs a d percent.
I'm giving her a hundred percent of me, and I
don't think I ever I don't think I ever strayed
from that after that. You know, do you think that's
maybe what what led to the whole Jessica thing, that
that you were now starting to process Okay, now I
have to move from dating and girlfriend to to marriage,
and maybe you kind of just changed the tone or
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the lines of conversation and that maybe led her to think,
oh wow, this is this is gonna happen. It's just
gonna go all the way. I think that's a hundred
percent of what happened, and that it's because I started
talking about marriage, and I started thinking about, like, who's
what's it going to be like being married to this person?
And I started asking questions that were like what's it
gonna be like when I'm like if you're working and
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you come home to me, or if I'm working you
come I come home to you? Like how is my
day gonna go? Because I mean, the day to day
is the like the part of the marriage that like
makes the marriage last in my mind. So I was like, Okay,
what's it gonna be like? Are you gonna like be excited?
I just want someone who's excited to see me when
I come home because like because I I don't know,
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it just brightened my day. Like if it's a bad
day at work and someone's happy to see you, it's
like my whole day is better now, thanks for being there.
So did you do, um, did you do any like
recon with the other guys to find out, you know,
what they were learning or what they had figured out
from the the girls that you were interested in, Um,
the women you were interested in. Did you want to
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kind of mind the other guys in the facility to
figure out if there was anything that maybe they were
keeping from you? Um? Did you kind of go did
you think about that line at all? Um? Yes? So
I I ended up I ended up having a couple
of conversations and so like I think I was talking
to Wesley. I think the only one he really had
in the show was talking about how women don't go
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for short guys or something like that. Wesley exactly h
and and uh he was like he was I was
telling them that I was into Amber at one point,
and like he was like, yeah, she seems like a
firecracktor and like at that point, like I was like, oh,
she's got red hair, and like I never left left
my head that she had red hair, and I assumed
she had red hair, and I was like, okay, I
feel like they might have set this up for me,
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but um and then uh oh, I think I had
a conversation with someone. I think it was Damien and
it was like talking about Amber and how she had
a lot of guy friends and stuff like that, and
I was like I could I'm okay with that, I guess,
like initially, like that's kind of like one of those
things like a girl with a bunch of guy friends
you think like, oh, they could get passed around like
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kind of like and and that's not the case, and
it's just like her her guy friends are some of
my best friends now. So but like it's very scary
to guys to to to interact with a girl that
has a bunch of guy friends because you know, it's
competition and they're like older brothers kind of towards her
and stuff like that. So and uh, I kind of
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I kind of set back for a second when I
was told that, and then I was like, I can
deal with it. It's fine, Like I was like, I
like I like her too much to like say, guys
are gonna get in the way of this. Now that's
the deal breaker exactly. The So there are a a couple
of things that they're one. Um, going back to what
you said about Lci that that it just it turned
you off when she was describing her features versus um
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Amber's features. Whatever it may be, that that that competition.
Then you you mentioned that Wesley said firecrackers, So you
have pictured red hair. Did you like not want to
know anything about how the girls look? Did you not
share if they asked you what your physical appearance might be.
I I kind of wanted to respect the experiment as
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much as I could. I mean, there might have been
times where I think we might have talked about like
our doppelgangers or something like that. And I think I
may have told I may have told someone that I
looked like Liam Hemsworth and I Amber might have ever
heard that, But I don't know, And uh, I don't
think I do. But I kind of I've heard it before.
I've also heard like random like celebrities. I'm like, I
(21:14):
don't think so. Like I've heard someone call me channel
changing Tatum. I'm like, no, I don't think so. Pretty good,
I'll take it. I'll take it, but like, yeah, but okay,
and I think someone said she looked like what's her name,
what's her name, Sandra Bullock? Yeah, Sandra Bullock. Yeah, that work.
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I can see that. So so I was like, okay,
but I was like I still had the rend, like
I still I think one of the one of the
pod dates, I I talked to her about what I
thought she looked like, and after the conversation with Leslie,
and it was like, I think you get like red hair,
like tattoos and like ship one side your head shaved
and like because she's had that like feisty personality and
she was in the military. And I was like, okay,
she's like g I Jane over here, Like I don't know.
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I was kind of just trying to like put something together,
but I never really had a clear clear view of
what she looked like, or I think, uh, the only
person I kind of knew what they looked like was
g because I had her name sounded familiar and until after,
like after I actually get to meet her, like we
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had matched on one of the dating apps, I think,
like or something like that a long time ago, and
I reached out to her and on hinge and she
never responded to me, but I was like, I started
putting stuff together, like she had a weird name and
like she was like Venezuelan in the Croatian or whatever,
and and I was like, this is kind of matching.
And I was like, oh, maybe this is that person,
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and then it was. But I never like, I didn't
kind of I didn't like let that decide anything for me.
So yeah, because I'm trying to figure out because Jestica
it seemed, you know, taken it back when she saw you, like,
oh wow, he's really good looking. And then she also
said it he looks exactly like I thought he would look.
Did you do you remember sharing with her at all?
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Did you guys play that game at all about what
you guys looked like? I think I told her how
tall I was, and uh, I played baseball, so that
was pretty much all that she had to work off of.
So I don't really remember all of my conversations. I
don't think. I kind of like playing games, so I
like like joking around and saying like I was like
five ft two or like, you know, I had like
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long hair and those balding and stuff. So I was
just to mess around and kind of like if someone
asked me a question like that, like and they were
like trying to dig to see what I looked like,
it was kind of like, uh, I didn't want to
I didn't want to give him anything because it kind
of felt like wrong. But but if the if the
conversation was fluid and it kind of led to that,
and maybe there was more conversational brown hair, you know,
(23:43):
green eyes, whatever, so so going you know, as we
kind of kind of put a button on the on
the triangle. You mentioned you had the one extra conversation
with Jessica that they didn't air. Um. You mentioned that
LC was kind of out after, you know, maybe two
days before you came to that final decision. So how
long would you say you were locked into amber before
you actually proposed When when you realize, yeah, this is
(24:06):
the number one between I guess from when you because
it's hard for us to kind of get the timeline
on how it's all. What's very confusing. Um, yeah, probably
like two or three days. Like that last conversation I
had with l C pretty much sealed the deal for me,
and I was like, Okay, I know who I'm I
had a conversation with Rory, and like, I was like,
I had the best conversations with Amber and the most
(24:27):
deep conversation with Amber, and like she's the only person
that can like bring anything out of me, like bring
me make me a better person kind of And that's
kind of the way I felt about it. And so
and so I was like Amber like clicked down. It's
like Amber, Amber, Amber, and they were like, oh, you're
not gonna go on any more dates with else, Like,
oh no, cool. I think they wanted to keep that
that kind of going. So it's like, Okay, that's fine whatever.
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But and then nobody else was was going down that
deep down that road with Amber in the in the facility,
I think the only like I don't think so. I mean,
I think Mark and he had a bunch of good days,
but I think they realized that they were friends, and
like I think most of the time they would just
like to be playing the guitar and they'd be singing
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together or something in the in the in the pod days.
And then um uh that she did she did Damien
for a while, but I don't I don't know. I
think she was pretty much set on me pretty early.
But yeah, so in terms of her, in terms of
kind of the the idea of proposing to her, did
you have to craft kind of how you wanted to
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do it? Did it just come out that one day?
Like when did you decide? Because you know, it seemed
like there were you know that that some got some
some couples got engaged early, like with with days to spare?
Is that fair to say? And and like kind of
give us an idea of how it all came together
from when you decided to when you actually proposed. People
people made decisions earliest, Uh, but mine was like the
(25:51):
last day that we were there because I didn't want
to waste time. So I kind of I kind of
wanted to give everybody an opportunity and give myself an
opportunity to you know, the field as much as I
could to make sure I'm making the right decision. And
so yeah, it was like the last day and I
didn't have anything planned. I kind of just I think
I was waiting outside for like the longest time. I
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was the very last person to get engaged, and it
was very stressful for me. And when I went in there,
I kind of didn't know what I was gonna say,
Like and I was like do I I think we
had like forty five minutes to kind of make a decision,
and on our last day was like our last day
with forty five minutes, So I was like, you can
just go in there and propose, or like you can
(26:31):
give like a long speech and propose. And I was like,
I don't know. I just went in there and then
I don't honestly remember what I said. I wish I
kind of I wish I had the actual full proposal,
but I don't. So it was it was long. And
then before she said yes, she she said she like
started you know, asking and making sure that that I
(26:52):
was going to be in it, and you know, we
had a long conversation about it. I was gonna be
for her, and then yeah, then she's like, okay, yes, yes, yes, yes,
let's do this. So then take us to that moment
that we you know, it's it was very cool to reveal,
you know, and and at the moment when you see
her for the first time kind of give it is
that the is that peak nervousness for you when you're
(27:12):
standing behind those two doors. I was very stressed. I
was I was I think we walked or I walked
in my side and Nicolas was there and you didn't
get to see him, but he was there, and like
we had a conversation about like how I was feeling,
like what was gonna happen, like you know, like basically
like calming me down and and talking through it and
(27:34):
just saying are you ready, like are you excited? Blah
blah blah and uh. And it's like you can pick
some rings, and then like showed all the rings that
I can choose from if I wanted to basically, and
so I would and pick the one that I thought
would best suit her and it ended up being perfect
bea her words, but right um um yeah. So and
(27:54):
then and then I sat there behind the wall for
like twenty minutes waiting for the door to she I
was like, okay, okay, this is very stressful. And then
when the door opened, like I saw her from far
away and I was like, oh my god, she's like beautiful,
like like just gorgeous and uh and uh. She had
her head down and she was like not moving, and
(28:15):
I was like, what's going on? Like I started like
walking toward her, and I was like ever, but she
didn't see that, But I feel I screamed, Amber, and
I was like and she stuck her head up and
like she saw me, and she started like smiling, and
I was like, yes, this is great, and it was.
It was one of the most amazing moments in my life,
just like that that because it was like a full
day after I proposed her. It was like more than
twenty four hours almost with no communication with her until
(28:38):
communication with her yeah, and I was, yeah, I saw
her and I was like, I made the best decision.
And then honestly, I think we we we got to
talk for fifteen minutes there right when we saw each other,
and then then we got torn apart, and I was like,
I don't want to leave turn aprout for how long? Uh?
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Three days? She's yeah, that's a long time. So I
asked she this, I would love to know, UM, what
what you think? UM if I should say, if you
if you kind of found this as well? I you know,
she had mentioned when she first got into the facility,
she was very similar to what you said. She's like,
everyone's so beautiful. Um, when you looked at all the
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guys and you said it seemed like they were all
good looking guys, did you then kind of jump at
the conclusion of you know what, all the girls gonna
be good looking, so regardless of who I pick, it's
probably gonna be someone that's attractive. I kind of I mean,
I hoped that she would be beautiful, and she is,
but but you know, I didn't know for sure. I
thought it could have been like one of those those
(29:40):
like prank shows or something like that, and like all
the girls were not as beautiful as as Amber. But
I got I got lucky. I kinda I kind of
pushed that to the side, that bad thought to the side.
I was like, she's gonna be beautiful no matter what.
So but but I didn't I wasn't too worried about
looks initially. So right, well, there it is the uh,
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the meat of the conversation, the triangle explained, and then uh,
we got one more with you. So we're gonna get
to because you were one of the few couples that
that got married and are still together and just kind
of life after the show and how that's all worked out,
the ups the downs we went through it with g
and and Damien and now we're gonna be able to
get through it with you, and how it's going with Amber,
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so we'll do that in our next one. It's our
three part series with Barnett, so be sure to check
in next week when we post our next episode here
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All right, back on Love Inside. It is a part two.
We're gonna have a three part series with our man,
Matt Barnett, and this I believe. Let look, if it's
a sandwich, they get to know Barnett as a slice
of bread. After this, we're gonna kind of ask for
some observations on some things that were happening around him. Uh.
And this is the meat and it is up to you, Barnett.
You can choose what type of meat you want to be.
(00:29):
But we're gonna get into it here. This it sounds terrible, right,
but whatever, there's the visual. I've been known as meat before.
It's fine. There we go exactly meat. So here we
go Love Triangle. Um, we left the people. Last episode
you mentioned you was in your your top four and
then it seemed from our you know from watching the show,
it got whittled down into a three. Jessica Amber and
(00:52):
Elsie and um, is that accurate? And what can you
share about how long the final three went on for you? Uh?
One day? It really it's one day? So uh, I think, yeah,
I had the conversation with Jessica. I think, uh the
night where I said, you know, I just like want
(01:15):
a decision made like that kind of night and where
it sounded like I was telling her that she was
the only person on her or only person in the
place that I would propose her. Um. I think that
was just the night. And then the next day we
had the conversation where it's like, let's play a game.
Do you still feel the same way you talk about
me as you did last night? And I was like no,
(01:36):
I mean I didn't not like her. I still had
like like I had built a relationship with her, but
I had, you know, gone on such a good date
with both Amber and LC at that time. And I
was like, I can't I can't say I feel the
same way because these other two amazing girls are still here,
and I like, I don't want to waste I don't
(01:56):
want to throw all my eggs in one basket in
and not see where these other places could go, really
or these other I mean, like that's the hardest part
about being there is that you know you had all
this time to break down and and build relationships with
with multiple people that are like everyone on the show
(02:16):
was really a good person deep down, I feel like
and and you know you got to find that out,
and like you don't in normal dating, you don't really
get the opportunity to, like see if that person is
a good person, and you can never really trust what
you're talking about. I guess because you just it's not
the same it's not the same conversations that you have.
(02:38):
So when when you're talking to these amazing people and
you realize that they're all amazing and like you could
you could possibly, like anybody would be lucky to have
them as their wife. So like, I don't want to
miss an opportunity to, if you know, to find the
best person that's going to be the best person for
me and make me the happiest and let me make
(02:59):
them the happiest person. So so I think it's kind
of I don't know, I kind of rambled, but no,
it's okay. That's why I let you go. I mean,
there's a lot to unpack there in the In the
last episode, you had mentioned that, you know, when when
guys that you didn't want to share anything because if
there was a competition. I was surprised that it was
your answer that if there was a competition, that you
would be more apt to say, okay, you you go ahead,
(03:21):
and and and and take you know, you follow that
and I'll back off a little bit. Do you think
that happened with Jessica? Because Mark was your roommate, you
shared that with us, and because he was so attached
to her that maybe you backed off a little bit.
I think it helped push me to back off. I
think it did um because I mean, he was so
like into her and like we had had we had
(03:42):
had deep conversations and and and you know, I felt
really close to her, and I felt like we could
have a lot of fun together and like be a
happy help. But I I saw the way he left
the pods when he talked to her, and like how
happy he was and how much it, like, you know,
it affected him. And I was like, when I leave
the pods with her, I don't have that same I mean,
I like, I have good feelings about her, but I
(04:04):
don't have the same feelings that he does obviously, And
I'm like, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna step on
this guy's toes anymore, because it's not fair. It's not
fair for me to just sit there and and say, oh, yeah,
I want to marry you, and then you know, I
don't actually feel a percent that way, you know, Like
I mean, like I don't know, it's it's it's hard
to explain how much was going on when you only get,
(04:28):
you know, a few minutes of content. I guess that's
why we're here. That's why we're here to get a
few more minutes of Instead of getting three minutes, we
want to get like thirty to forty five. So what
about the the I guess description the way that that
Jessica kind of felt you and her left that last
(04:49):
conversation or the penultimate conversation before the one where you
essentially said, yeah, this isn't gonna happen. That that she
insists that you proposed to her to some degree, Like
what did you make of that interpretation? So I was
really confused, and I knew Mark was into her at
that point, and I was like, I just really like
(05:09):
I wasn't prepared to like be competing with people. I
wasn't thinking about competing with people. And when that had,
when when I found out that him and Taylor actually
we're both going after and I was like, I just
need like I need some clarity, I need someone to
like I need help basically, And in that moment, I
was like I just I want, I want, I want
someone to make a decision, Like like she was still
(05:31):
between all three of them and we had one good
day and I was like, I need to to to
make this easier for me, like either go with him
or go with me, that kind of thing. So so
go with one of them and go with me. But yeah,
so did you would you agree with kind of like
her position that that by giving her sort of that
ultimatum you could kind of understand where she was coming from.
(05:53):
Or did it catch you by surprise like when she
approached you after you and I know, I'm kind of
jumping ahead here, were you kind of prize that that
she was as aggressive after you too ended up meeting
down in Mexico and kind of through the apartments and
those sort of conversations we got to watch. So one
of the things that you guys really didn't get to
see was are we had one more date? After she
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walked out and said basically started calling me what everybody?
We had one more date after that? And like we
cleared the air and we were we were like, Okay,
we obviously have at least a friendship built here, but
like you know this, uh, it might not be more
than a friendship and like you always have my back,
(06:34):
always have your back. That that kind of thing was
was stated in our in our our last date, and uh,
when she came to me in Mexico, I literally like
went straight to the friends zone, like that was my
my placement of her after that conversation, I was friend
zone to Jessica. I didn't know she had any intention
(06:54):
or any any interest in me at that time. I
thought she was just looking out for my best interest.
So like when we dated, when we had the conversation
of the pool, she was like, are you sure you're happy?
Like you this is the right person for you, And
I was like, yeah, no, I'm happy because this is
like I thought she was looking out for me the
whole time. So I didn't really know, you know, I
didn't know anything that was going on behind the scenes,
any conversations or even being had about me, because I
(07:18):
wasn't it wasn't on my mind. She wasn't on my
mind in that sense, Like I just I wanted to
Mark to be happy, and I wouldn't her to be
happy at that point. And so to her being a
saboteur and and trying to maybe undermine your relationship with
it because it look at worked for the show, it
worked for us viewers. We kind of got our villain, right,
I mean, and you kind of need that in a show,
and that's you know, And she was very she pushed
(07:39):
back a lot when I brought her up there. I said, no,
Jessica is a bad person like this is that you
know my interpretation. She just got with Mark to string
this thing out another week and and perhaps to to
get access to Barnett, like you know it was. I
think it was easy to jump to that conclusion based
on it. Yeah. Yeah, And it sounds like you don't
think that's fair, or do you think that's fair? I don't.
(08:00):
I don't really know what to say, because again I
didn't know any of the conversations were happening behind the scenes.
I know what Amber wants me to say, because she
I don't like. I don't like putting her on like
completely a villain. I know she was confused, but also
I don't, you know, I don't think it was respectful.
So I'm totally on her side about it, But you know,
(08:23):
I don't I don't think she's the worst person in
the world, but also she's what in that situation. It's
a weird situation for everyone, and you know, it's it's
completely confusing. I and we were all going through a
lot of stuff. So I can't like blame her for anything,
but I'm not gonna say that what she did was right.
Do you do you feel like you well, you said
(08:43):
you told us there was a date that we didn't see,
So do you feel like you had that closure there
and that she just wasn't willing to follow it? I
thought we I thought we had that closure, yes, and
I didn't realize it. And I think up until my
birthday party, I didn't realize that like she had like
her like I'm not the smartest guy, and once I
(09:04):
put her in that friend and I didn't realize anything
she was saying was kind of like inappropriate or came
off as inappropriate. And then I think about around my
birthday party, like I was like this, this is kind
of getting a little weird, like thinking about me and
stuff like yeah. So and then there was the h
(09:27):
the second side of this, this triangle. I don't know
if it's an equilateral or isasles or what kind of
triangle it is, but some sort of rhombus I think
it's a okay, yeah, I guess that's true because we
had g in there as well. So what about um,
what about Elsie? Because that that was it was almost
sort of more painful, I think, because it was just,
you know, we kind of barely got to know her
(09:47):
and really sort of the centerpiece of of LCI was
her being let down and crushed by the fact that
you did not pick her. What can you tell us
about your relationship with her? So wow? So the Elsie
was kind of like middle ground for me a long time,
and then like we started having more fun and more conversations,
and I was like, this girl is very similar to me,
(10:08):
Like we can be goofy. Like it was like, like
we're very alike. And I think that was one thing
that kind of kind of pushed me away from her.
That and then I think there's one conversation where, uh,
where I did where I actually decided I did that
I was going to marry Amber over ELC. And it
was a conversation that I had with l C where
she was like talking about her features like and and
(10:32):
she was like, at least I have real boobs and
stuff like that, and I was like yeah, but like
like that's not what we're here for. And it kind
of like took me away from her, it kind of
pushed me back, and I was like she's she's trying
to win a competition or something along those lines, and
and it kind of felt like she didn't want to
be the person that wanted to get broken up with.
And I was like, that's totally me. I would be
that same way, but also like like I don't want
(10:55):
that person. So when that realization happened, I think it
was actually like two days before I proposed the amber,
and I think after that, like after I made that decision,
I think we didn't get to go on another date
until the last day, so like so you didn't get
to see like I didn't get the Like there was
two days where I was like I can't tell you
that I can't, like I don't want to be with you,
(11:17):
and like you're sitting there stressing out about this and
like you're going through all this pain, Like I don't
want to put you through any pain. I knew that
I didn't want to be with her, and I like
I couldn't do anything about it, and it was like
and it's like I don't I don't know what I'm
supposed to do here, so this is probably a bad
and I shouldn't do it. It's a terrible parallel. But
I'm kind of thinking of sort of, you know, now
(11:37):
we have these these graphs in our brains as it
relates to the current situation where in the pandemic that's spreading.
But there are these bar graphs, and here's your numbers,
and you see these bars passing one another there. And
if we take these three of of LC, Amber and Jessica,
is it fair to say that it's a race where
the bar Jessica's bar passes Amber for a little bit,
then Amber kind of takes the lead and maybe l
(11:58):
C gains an advance to George, did it seem like
it was Amber, Jessica Elsie, you know wind play show
kind of through the whole thing. So really it was
so weird because like I get to pick who, like
my top person was every every day, so like at
the end of the day, I would say, this person
is who I want to see again. They're they're number
one and the number two and number three basically, and
(12:20):
I think I think that number changed a lot because
because I would have something pop up in a conversation
that I was not expecting and it would be like, wow,
that's something I really want, and like I would try
to focus on the things that I wanted out of
a marriage, and because because I was told constantly, I
was like, dude, you gotta stop worrying about other people's feelings.
(12:42):
Like I felt bad about it, but like my all
my relationships up until being on the show, it was
I'm gonna focus, like I'm worried way too much about
other people's feelings and I'm never worried about my feelings.
And I've sat in relate long term relationships and been
like I'm not be but I don't want this person
to like like I don't want to hurt this person
(13:03):
and not let them and like I don't know. Basically,
I was always worried about their their feelings. And then
and then someone came out to me in the pods
they're not in the pods, but in the in the
living area, and they were like, man, you gotta stop
worrying about their feelings. You gotta you gotta do what's
right for you, and you gotta kind of figure out
what's right for you. And I was like okay, And
so I was. I tried to I tried to push
(13:25):
their feelings to the to the back so I could get,
you know, my head straight, and uh and yeah, I think,
I don't know. I think every time someone would say
something that that was something that I wanted, that would
kind of push them a little bit further to the front.
And it was very it was very tough because they all,
like I said, they were all great people, and it
(13:45):
was really difficult. And I think once, I want to say,
like probably the third the last day, uh, one of
my last dates, not my last date, but I think
the one before it, LC gave me a gift and
it was like she had never been at the top
of my list, but she had always been like hovering
around the top of my list, and she gave me
(14:05):
a gift and it was a like a CD player
with a CD and like the first song on it
was like like one of my favorite songs of all
time and it was like not not like a like
a common song, like like not one that every anybody
would be like, oh yeah, that's normal, like stair Away
to Heaven or something like that. Now, like what song
was it? Come on, we gotta know, shoot, what was it?
It was it was Casey Elephant, uh I think in
(14:30):
my head or something like that. Yeah, and so so
I was like, oh wow, like I didn't expect it.
It kind of caught me off guard. I was like wow,
and like it kind of pushed her to the front
and I was like, Okay, maybe I need to give
her more of my attention. And then and then once
we had the next conversation where it was talking about
physical traits and stuff like that, and I was like,
maybe maybe not. And then that's kind of like this
(14:53):
little thing kind of it was like a speed bump,
let's say, in my relationship with Amber, and it kind
of once I got past that, that was all Amber.
So right now, like anybody over the age, if I'd
say forty, it's like, yeah, the mixtape, man, it's still
alive and well you can still secure someone's art with
(15:13):
the right song on a sweet SS mix tape. When
you were trying to process what was going on with
these these three, you know, as it got down to
the final or maybe even if it was the final
two when it was Jessica Amber, were you thinking about
(15:34):
like marriage or was it kind of like a partner,
Like how how did you visualize like what you thought
you were going to get out of this? Was it
a full on Does that make sense? Like did you
visualize marriage and and and being together with them for
for the rest of your life or did you think about, Hey,
which is the cooler person and the more compatible for
me to maybe date? So I think initially when I
(15:57):
came into the show, it was kind of like who
who I would be I'd like to date, And that's
kind of where it's led off. And then and then
once I got towards the cut last couple of days,
like with Jessica, Amber and LC, I started talking about
marriage a lot more because I was like, this is
the point of this is Like I like, I could
end up married at the end of this to one
of these people, and like that's kind of where my
conversation started started turning towards marriage a little bit more.
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And I, you know, and and I don't know, like
I didn't want to leave this with just a girlfriend,
I don't think. And and I wasn't going to get
engaged and then leave him at the altar and be like, yeah,
well just let's just date or something like that. That
wasn't that wasn't my goal. It was like if I'm
gonna get engaged, I'm gonna take it seriously and I'm
gonna marry this person, like I'm gonna put a hundred
(16:41):
percent effort, like do whatever I can. And I think
like when I actually proposed to Amber, she gave me
an ultimatum. You guys didn't get to see, and it
was basically like we're in this together, you know, like
like I need you to be a percent in this
and and work with me every day to make sure
that you know, we have a marriage at last, And
you guys didn't get see. It looked like I just said, oh,
(17:01):
will you married me? And she's like yeah, it wasn't it.
She she was like she took a step back and
started like grilling me and making sure that I was
going to be a hundred percent serious and I wasn't
gonna play games anymore. I was gonna be and and
I think like one of the one of the clips
they released on Twitter, like behind the scenes, like I
went up to Nicholas, she like again and like, yeah,
I'm a hundred percent in this. I'm a hundred percent
(17:21):
in this. This This is just like she needs a d percent.
I'm giving her a hundred percent of me, and I
don't think I ever I don't think I ever strayed
from that after that. You know, do you think that's
maybe what what led to the whole Jessica thing, that
that you were now starting to process Okay, now I
have to move from dating and girlfriend to to marriage,
and maybe you kind of just changed the tone or
(17:42):
the lines of conversation and that maybe led her to think,
oh wow, this is this is gonna happen. It's just
gonna go all the way. I think that's a hundred
percent of what happened, and that it's because I started
talking about marriage, and I started thinking about, like, who's
what's it going to be like being married to this person?
And I started asking questions that were like what's it
gonna be like when I'm like if you're working and
(18:03):
you come home to me, or if I'm working you
come I come home to you? Like how is my
day gonna go? Because I mean, the day to day
is the like the part of the marriage that like
makes the marriage last in my mind. So I was like, Okay,
what's it gonna be like? Are you gonna like be excited?
I just want someone who's excited to see me when
I come home because like because I I don't know,
(18:23):
it just brightened my day. Like if it's a bad
day at work and someone's happy to see you, it's
like my whole day is better now, thanks for being there.
So did you do, um, did you do any like
recon with the other guys to find out, you know,
what they were learning or what they had figured out
from the the girls that you were interested in, Um,
the women you were interested in. Did you want to
(18:44):
kind of mind the other guys in the facility to
figure out if there was anything that maybe they were
keeping from you? Um? Did you kind of go did
you think about that line at all? Um? Yes? So
I I ended up I ended up having a couple
of conversations and so like I think I was talking
to Wesley. I think the only one he really had
in the show was talking about how women don't go
(19:06):
for short guys or something like that. Wesley exactly h
and and uh he was like he was I was
telling them that I was into Amber at one point,
and like he was like, yeah, she seems like a
firecracktor and like at that point, like I was like, oh,
she's got red hair, and like I never left left
my head that she had red hair, and I assumed
she had red hair, and I was like, okay, I
feel like they might have set this up for me,
(19:28):
but um and then uh oh, I think I had
a conversation with someone. I think it was Damien and
it was like talking about Amber and how she had
a lot of guy friends and stuff like that, and
I was like I could I'm okay with that, I guess,
like initially, like that's kind of like one of those
things like a girl with a bunch of guy friends
you think like, oh, they could get passed around like
(19:49):
kind of like and and that's not the case, and
it's just like her her guy friends are some of
my best friends now. So but like it's very scary
to guys to to to interact with a girl that
has a bunch of guy friends because you know, it's
competition and they're like older brothers kind of towards her
and stuff like that. So and uh, I kind of
(20:09):
I kind of set back for a second when I
was told that, and then I was like, I can
deal with it. It's fine, Like I was like, I
like I like her too much to like say, guys
are gonna get in the way of this. Now that's
the deal breaker exactly. The So there are a a couple
of things that they're one. Um, going back to what
you said about Lci that that it just it turned
you off when she was describing her features versus um
(20:33):
Amber's features. Whatever it may be, that that that competition.
Then you you mentioned that Wesley said firecrackers, So you
have pictured red hair. Did you like not want to
know anything about how the girls look? Did you not
share if they asked you what your physical appearance might be.
I I kind of wanted to respect the experiment as
(20:53):
much as I could. I mean, there might have been
times where I think we might have talked about like
our doppelgangers or something like that. And I think I
may have told I may have told someone that I
looked like Liam Hemsworth and I Amber might have ever
heard that, But I don't know, And uh, I don't
think I do. But I kind of I've heard it before.
I've also heard like random like celebrities. I'm like, I
(21:14):
don't think so. Like I've heard someone call me channel
changing Tatum. I'm like, no, I don't think so. Pretty good,
I'll take it. I'll take it, but like, yeah, but okay,
and I think someone said she looked like what's her name,
what's her name, Sandra Bullock? Yeah, Sandra Bullock. Yeah, that work.
(21:34):
I can see that. So so I was like, okay,
but I was like I still had the rend, like
I still I think one of the one of the
pod dates, I I talked to her about what I
thought she looked like, and after the conversation with Leslie,
and it was like, I think you get like red hair,
like tattoos and like ship one side your head shaved
and like because she's had that like feisty personality and
she was in the military. And I was like, okay,
she's like g I Jane over here, Like I don't know.
(21:56):
I was kind of just trying to like put something together,
but I never really had a clear clear view of
what she looked like, or I think, uh, the only
person I kind of knew what they looked like was
g because I had her name sounded familiar and until after,
like after I actually get to meet her, like we
(22:18):
had matched on one of the dating apps, I think,
like or something like that a long time ago, and
I reached out to her and on hinge and she
never responded to me, but I was like, I started
putting stuff together, like she had a weird name and
like she was like Venezuelan in the Croatian or whatever,
and and I was like, this is kind of matching.
And I was like, oh, maybe this is that person,
(22:39):
and then it was. But I never like, I didn't
kind of I didn't like let that decide anything for me.
So yeah, because I'm trying to figure out because Jestica
it seemed, you know, taken it back when she saw you, like,
oh wow, he's really good looking. And then she also
said it he looks exactly like I thought he would look.
Did you do you remember sharing with her at all?
(23:01):
Did you guys play that game at all about what
you guys looked like? I think I told her how
tall I was, and uh, I played baseball, so that
was pretty much all that she had to work off of.
So I don't really remember all of my conversations. I
don't think. I kind of like playing games, so I
like like joking around and saying like I was like
five ft two or like, you know, I had like
(23:22):
long hair and those balding and stuff. So I was
just to mess around and kind of like if someone
asked me a question like that, like and they were
like trying to dig to see what I looked like,
it was kind of like, uh, I didn't want to
I didn't want to give him anything because it kind
of felt like wrong. But but if the if the
conversation was fluid and it kind of led to that,
and maybe there was more conversational brown hair, you know,
(23:43):
green eyes, whatever, so so going you know, as we
kind of kind of put a button on the on
the triangle. You mentioned you had the one extra conversation
with Jessica that they didn't air. Um. You mentioned that
LC was kind of out after, you know, maybe two
days before you came to that final decision. So how
long would you say you were locked into amber before
you actually proposed When when you realize, yeah, this is
(24:06):
the number one between I guess from when you because
it's hard for us to kind of get the timeline
on how it's all. What's very confusing. Um, yeah, probably
like two or three days. Like that last conversation I
had with l C pretty much sealed the deal for me,
and I was like, Okay, I know who I'm I
had a conversation with Rory, and like, I was like,
I had the best conversations with Amber and the most
(24:27):
deep conversation with Amber, and like she's the only person
that can like bring anything out of me, like bring
me make me a better person kind of And that's
kind of the way I felt about it. And so
and so I was like Amber like clicked down. It's
like Amber, Amber, Amber, and they were like, oh, you're
not gonna go on any more dates with else, Like,
oh no, cool. I think they wanted to keep that
that kind of going. So it's like, Okay, that's fine whatever.
(24:49):
But and then nobody else was was going down that
deep down that road with Amber in the in the facility,
I think the only like I don't think so. I mean,
I think Mark and he had a bunch of good days,
but I think they realized that they were friends, and
like I think most of the time they would just
like to be playing the guitar and they'd be singing
(25:10):
together or something in the in the in the pod days.
And then um uh that she did she did Damien
for a while, but I don't I don't know. I
think she was pretty much set on me pretty early.
But yeah, so in terms of her, in terms of
kind of the the idea of proposing to her, did
you have to craft kind of how you wanted to
(25:31):
do it? Did it just come out that one day?
Like when did you decide? Because you know, it seemed
like there were you know that that some got some
some couples got engaged early, like with with days to spare?
Is that fair to say? And and like kind of
give us an idea of how it all came together
from when you decided to when you actually proposed. People
people made decisions earliest, Uh, but mine was like the
(25:51):
last day that we were there because I didn't want
to waste time. So I kind of I kind of
wanted to give everybody an opportunity and give myself an
opportunity to you know, the field as much as I
could to make sure I'm making the right decision. And
so yeah, it was like the last day and I
didn't have anything planned. I kind of just I think
I was waiting outside for like the longest time. I
(26:11):
was the very last person to get engaged, and it
was very stressful for me. And when I went in there,
I kind of didn't know what I was gonna say,
Like and I was like do I I think we
had like forty five minutes to kind of make a decision,
and on our last day was like our last day
with forty five minutes, So I was like, you can
just go in there and propose, or like you can
(26:31):
give like a long speech and propose. And I was like,
I don't know. I just went in there and then
I don't honestly remember what I said. I wish I
kind of I wish I had the actual full proposal,
but I don't. So it was it was long. And
then before she said yes, she she said she like
started you know, asking and making sure that that I
(26:52):
was going to be in it, and you know, we
had a long conversation about it. I was gonna be
for her, and then yeah, then she's like, okay, yes, yes, yes, yes,
let's do this. So then take us to that moment
that we you know, it's it was very cool to reveal,
you know, and and at the moment when you see
her for the first time kind of give it is
that the is that peak nervousness for you when you're
(27:12):
standing behind those two doors. I was very stressed. I
was I was I think we walked or I walked
in my side and Nicolas was there and you didn't
get to see him, but he was there, and like
we had a conversation about like how I was feeling,
like what was gonna happen, like you know, like basically
like calming me down and and talking through it and
(27:34):
just saying are you ready, like are you excited? Blah
blah blah and uh. And it's like you can pick
some rings, and then like showed all the rings that
I can choose from if I wanted to basically, and
so I would and pick the one that I thought
would best suit her and it ended up being perfect
bea her words, but right um um yeah. So and
(27:54):
then and then I sat there behind the wall for
like twenty minutes waiting for the door to she I
was like, okay, okay, this is very stressful. And then
when the door opened, like I saw her from far
away and I was like, oh my god, she's like beautiful,
like like just gorgeous and uh and uh. She had
her head down and she was like not moving, and
(28:15):
I was like, what's going on? Like I started like
walking toward her, and I was like ever, but she
didn't see that, But I feel I screamed, Amber, and
I was like and she stuck her head up and
like she saw me, and she started like smiling, and
I was like, yes, this is great, and it was.
It was one of the most amazing moments in my life,
just like that that because it was like a full
day after I proposed her. It was like more than
twenty four hours almost with no communication with her until
(28:38):
communication with her yeah, and I was, yeah, I saw
her and I was like, I made the best decision.
And then honestly, I think we we we got to
talk for fifteen minutes there right when we saw each other,
and then then we got torn apart, and I was like,
I don't want to leave turn aprout for how long? Uh?
(28:58):
Three days? She's yeah, that's a long time. So I
asked she this, I would love to know, UM, what
what you think? UM if I should say, if you
if you kind of found this as well? I you know,
she had mentioned when she first got into the facility,
she was very similar to what you said. She's like,
everyone's so beautiful. Um, when you looked at all the
(29:20):
guys and you said it seemed like they were all
good looking guys, did you then kind of jump at
the conclusion of you know what, all the girls gonna
be good looking, so regardless of who I pick, it's
probably gonna be someone that's attractive. I kind of I mean,
I hoped that she would be beautiful, and she is,
but but you know, I didn't know for sure. I
thought it could have been like one of those those
(29:40):
like prank shows or something like that, and like all
the girls were not as beautiful as as Amber. But
I got I got lucky. I kinda I kind of
pushed that to the side, that bad thought to the side.
I was like, she's gonna be beautiful no matter what.
So but but I didn't I wasn't too worried about
looks initially. So right, well, there it is the uh,
(30:01):
the meat of the conversation, the triangle explained, and then uh,
we got one more with you. So we're gonna get
to because you were one of the few couples that
that got married and are still together and just kind
of life after the show and how that's all worked out,
the ups the downs we went through it with g
and and Damien and now we're gonna be able to
get through it with you, and how it's going with Amber,
(30:23):
so we'll do that in our next one. It's our
three part series with Barnett, so be sure to check
in next week when we post our next episode here
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