April 21, 2020 • 35 mins
Giannina get into the love triangle between Barnett, LC and Amber with LC! Gi doesn't hold back when she told the girls they needed to tell Barnett to "grow a pair" and figure out who he wants to be with.
LC reveals many unknown secrets including...the show she originally wanted to get on, who she liked from the very first date, and why this worked better for her than years of dating the old fashioned way!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Alright, we're back on the Love Inside podcast and this
is our love Triangle episode G. We are going to
catch up with your your close friend and former roommate
from the facility. Uh no, no, she's not a roommate.
She wasn't now, she was just we're each other's confidence. Okay,
you're confidante. So you were roommates with the other Lauren,
the other Lauren Duchess. So this Lauren is best known
(00:27):
as LC as part of the Barnett love Triangle. She's
going to check in here in just a minute, but
before we bring her on, Um, how how did it
end up being a love triangle and not a love
square with you being one of the corners because you
were interested in Barnett way early? Right, Yeah, so he
was my first date, um, out of the whole experience.
(00:49):
So I kind of felt like, oh my god, like
he was so cool and it was such an easy
e chat and he has a sexy voice. So I
was like, Okay, it's Barnett. But then I quickly kind
of saw straight through him quickly, like second day. Yeah,
I was like, you know what, he has a lot
of growing up to do, and not even by hearing
(01:11):
what the other girls were saying. I just kind of
picked up on it where I was like, I need
more of like a man, and he sounds like he
has more of a journey ahead of him. Um, so
like a frat guy. Yeah, I think it seemed like
that's kind of you know, he was still in that
sort of party mode. Yes, I couldn't get a serious
conversation out of him. Well. I tried to just kind
(01:31):
of get more into hey, like what makes you you?
And he would always like throw a joke back at me.
And then that's when I was like, let's talk about
why you can't have a serious conversation. And I think
that's when he started kind of pulling away from me
and being like and same here. So I was like, okay,
like we're just not in each other's vibe. So I
pulled away from him pretty quickly. Um. So you mentioned Elsie.
(01:54):
Is you know you were her confident? Maybe she was
yours as well? Um, were you surprised when she was like,
I'm having serious conversations with this guy. I really like him. No,
because you know, we all have our own personalities, and
me and Elsie and me and Amber, I saw myself
and a lot and both of them ambers like a
percent feisty, and so I saw my fistinus in there,
(02:16):
and I saw him, you know, my my sweet shy
side and l C. So I really just kind of
related to them on both levels. And so when I
saw that they were both into him, I was like,
this makes sense in a weird way, but you know,
if I was, I can totally see why they were.
And you know, different people are able to pull different
sides of each other. So I was like, Okay, good
for you that you two are able to have serious
(02:37):
conversations with him. And then they would come back and say, like,
you know, like he likes both of us, like what
do we do? And I was like, you need to
tell him to grow a pair, Like now on your
next day, you both have to go in there and
tell him, Hey, this is what I want, this is
what I want in a relationship. What are your thoughts
or what do you feel? Because he's not giving either
you a straight answer. So I was pretty much one
(02:59):
telling him, like, go in there and demand this out
of him. And I don't know how much influence I had,
but I again I saw straight through him in that sense,
and it was like, this is what he needs, and
I would kind of yell over the wall like Barnett
open up, like I would literally yell. I would yell
in the facility, hoping that he could hear you. Yeah,
because on the other side of the wall, did you
(03:20):
hear through the little man? I mean, if you yell
like super loud. So sometimes I would like literally at
the top of my legs because I was so frustrated
with him, because my friends were in pain because of
what he was going through. And I don't look, I
don't want to say bad guy, but do you think
maybe like you know, it's not a game. I know
it's not a game either, but it certainly seems like
he really led a couple of people on way far down,
(03:43):
maybe further than they should have had to go. And
you know, I think that's a form of self validation
of like, hey, like do you am I worthy of love?
And so you kind of want to gather as much
of that as you can. And you know, if you're
hurting other people in the process, like you don't know, Slash,
you don't really care because you want to fill in
that void however you can. And I think that's what
he was trying to do, Um, how bad was it?
(04:06):
You know, we get to see a little bit of
a glimpse of it. I don't want to like bring
Elsie two down when we bring her on, but like,
was it? Uh? You know it was really bad just
because it matters of the heart hit different and to me,
Elsie might say that, you know, the way that she
was rejected was because it was her soul, her every
(04:27):
bit of her that makes her her, without you know,
having to see your face or hair color, and that
just that is a completely different layer that you unveil
when someone is rejecting you. But it's because they're rejecting
this piece of you that is so intimate and it's
like you're literally your heart in the palm of your
hands and someone's just slapping it out of you and
saying I don't want it. And so that's where it
(04:47):
was just like this this really hard thing to watch.
But also I felt like, you know, babe, if it's
not for you, like it's not for you, and go
on and find someone else that will worthy that part
of you. Did did you have like if you were
to handicap, did you feel like, oh, he's more of
an amber guy, or he's more of an LC guy,
like did you have a vibe either way an Amber guy?
(05:10):
And because Amber was that is that woman that's able
to put Barnett in his place and also beat goofy
with him and be silly with him, I think Elsie
would have had a hard time telling him, hey, like,
this isn't okay with me, even though she would have.
I think he took what Amber said a little bit
(05:32):
heavier because he did say she scared shit out of it,
you know, So he had that kind of like he
was putting her up in that level of like I
better listen to her. She's gonna kick my ass, And
I think that's what he needed. Um, did Elsie share
anything with you about anybody else, Like were you trying
to be since you believe that and you saw how
far she was falling, how hard she was falling for Barnett,
(05:53):
did you try to steer into a different direction where
there any other guys that she was interested in that
you were like, maybe maybe you go this way, that
might be a good thing for you. Elsie. Well, I
never told anyone what they should do if they asked
your advice, Like did she ever come to you and say, hey,
what do you think this is what I'm in right now? Yeah,
I mean I would tell her. I'd be like, you
better put him in his place, and you better you
know that she might have been into um no, because
(06:17):
she was really into Barnett, And if I tried to,
I didn't want to impose on other relationships, Like I
was never like, oh, like go for Kenny when I
knew that Kenny and Kelly were together, like oh for
the It's just this is who you're pining over, and
this is who you need to talk about. So this
is who we're going to focus. So she was Barnett
all the way. She was Barnett, right, all right, well
let's bring Barnett b o b uh. We will bring
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on l c next. Al right, g joining us now
as we continue our tour of Love is Blind Experiment participants,
it is time to bring in el c Uh, one
point of a triangle that we are going to get to. Elsie,
(07:04):
Thank you, How are you? I'm good? How are you
doing well? Um? We will get to all that. We
like to start out kind of with the same question
for everyone thoughing that is, how did you come to
find yourself on Love Is Blind? And why did you
agree to do the show. Um, I had a friend
who had I guess met someone in casting and she
(07:26):
just kind of gave him my name because I have
been trying to drag her to an open call for
The Bachelor and she didn't want to do it. But
she ended up kind of going through the casting process
for this too, but didn't get on the show. But um,
but yeah, I mean she really kind of just gave
him my name without even telling me. So nice they
(07:46):
called me, and I was like, what is happening right now? Um,
and then just kind of went with it. Um. You know,
I've I mean I've and I just figured why not. Well,
I'm super happy that she gave you your name because
then I wouldn't have had you there. Oh my gosh.
I know we went through so much. What did you
(08:08):
go through? I think we're basically yeah, all right. I
think we were both just like these like a little
emotional like like soul sisters, just like what do you think? Well,
what do you think? I don't know, like I don't
feel like he's gonna like me. Well I don't think
he's gonna be me either, And I think we were
just like very in tune with one another. Um. And
(08:28):
then when everything with Barnett was kind of going down, UM,
I think I was able to just kind of help
you through that. I don't know if I actually helped you,
but I felt like I was definitely helping you vent
at least. Yeah, no, I I was. I'm so thankful because, um,
I am not not typically super emotional person and I
(08:51):
don't just like sit around and talk about boys and
stuff and like not for very long, if anything. And
I didn't really realize that about myself until I got
thrown into this world where that's like all we were
there to do. Um. And so I was just like
having a really hard time with just processing everything. UM.
And G was really good to talk to and just
either just to like listen to me like blab on
(09:14):
and like crying about whatever was happening. Um. But she
was also putt I feel like pretty good at like
putting things into words um that I was feeling and
relating to me and stuff. So it was just it
was a lot and I'm really thankful for people. I
mean all the girls really, but I know specifically I
had a lot of good talks with G. So what UM,
(09:35):
when when you mentioned the the open calls and stuff.
So like what percentage of you was was just kind
of getting on a you know, getting into this experiment
and getting on Love is Blind, And what percentage was, Hey,
I'm going to meet someone and maybe find my soul mate. Yeah.
I mean I feel like anyone you talked to that
goes on anything like this, they're pretty much kind of
open to both. Like, obviously I'm intrigued by the whole
(09:56):
process in general, um, just to kind of be able
to see behind the scenes kind of how everything worked
and all that. But I mean I would not have
gone on the show if I didn't if I was
not open to that experience. Um. Obviously I did open
up to that experience as much as I think I
could have at the time at least, and then, um,
you know I was, I was ready to do that
(10:18):
next step and it just didn't work out. But UM,
I think I realized once I got there too, that
I was way more into it than I thought I
was going to be. Um, I don't think any of
us could really even prepare mentally for anything like that
to happen. Um, So it was it was pretty cool
to see. When did you start like developing feelings for
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the guys on the other side. Um, I really hate
to I hate to say this because I feel like
I sound like a psycho. But day one, I mean
the first yeah, like the first dates, Like from the
very first dates, it was pretty overwhelming talk to that
many people. But from day one, like I had the
same Like Burnett and Kenny were the ones that set
out for me most and they were the ones that
(11:01):
I ended up going through most of that whole process with.
So um yeah, I mean I pretty much didn't change,
which I maybe I should have been more open to it,
but that's kind of for me from the jump, Like
that's how I felt. But who I ask everybody this
and for some reason you don't like giving me answers.
But I feel like Elsie's gonna do it. Who was
(11:23):
who was number fifteen? Um? John? Everybody says John, that
was a real a hole man. Everybody you like you
try to stay away, Like I don't want to say
I feel bad, but I knew Elsie just comes straight
with nos. John, I have no clons about that. I
will say that I would love to say poor job,
(11:46):
but no, it sounds like just a bad guy. Um,
what about you? You mentioned Kenny. Um. We didn't get
to see a whole lot of that. So how how
far along did you get with with Kenny? Was it
like one in one A I'm we so we narrowed
down everything like every day um, and so we were
able to spend more time with people that we were
actually connecting with. But the I got I mean I
(12:10):
was down to the last kind of few people with
Kenny Um. My top kind of three people ended up
being Barnett, Kenny, and Rory Um, who was the quote
unquote plant or whatever. Yeah, he's the plant Um. But
Rory mostly was like a friendship thing where he just
was really good at like talking me through stuff, um,
(12:32):
and like I would help him with what he was
going through or try to, and then he would like
definitely help me with what I was going through. So
like I really wanted him there with me and like
my top like it was like Rory and Barnett and
you know, kind of down to the wire there for me,
so where he was able to just kind of talk
me through a lot of stuff, which was good. What
about Kenny, did you have like an emotional key? Yeah, definitely.
(12:57):
I realized through the show that I have a voice
type as it seems, um, because I feel like Parton
and Kenny have very similar voices, but um like the
deeper a little bit southern but not too much kind
of thank you. I don't know, I guess I have.
Are you starting to go on dates and being like
cold on, let me close my eyes. No, seriously, Like
(13:18):
I'm not kidding when I go on dates down the
real world here, like from a dating app or something like,
I'm actually really nervous about what your voice is gonna
sound like. Um, that's your number one characteristic. You gotta
have a deep, a little bit of a southern drawl.
I had no idea. So when you when you're into Kenny,
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are you and Kelly having any conversations? Is there any
weird stuff going on there? Um, that wasn't never nothing
I ever got, like, no like drama or anything. I
wish I could be more interesting on that front for you,
but um no, Like Kelly would talk to me a
little bit about it. I kind of had just had
to have a conversation with her. Um after a few
(14:00):
days of it just being like, yeah, I don't really
you know, I'm kind of getting to the point now
where I don't really want to hear about that with you,
Like I'm really happy for it. I'll hear about anything
else like any other guys, I just not really about
because it's like throws it throws you off, you know,
you start comparing yourself to things, and I feel like
the good thing about this experiment is that you didn't
You couldn't really compare yourself your relationship to other people. Um,
(14:25):
and I didn't want that to like throw it off
for me, which I don't know. I feel like it
might have actually, um at least with the Kenny stuff,
but maybe like maybe lean more in towards Barnett, but yeah,
I don't know. I mean, it's just there was never
any like weirdness though with Kelly, like I love her
so well. I was gonna say, like you said, I
wish I could be more interesting, but I think everyone
(14:46):
would like to defer your definitely. But did you know
that you know you're in a triangle because I knew
that you and Amber would talk it out, but I
didn't know that Jessica was also in that mix show. Nope, right,
we did not know that. I knew, Like honestly, I
(15:09):
feel like jess was now looking back I think she
was pretty quiet about everything that kind of happened, which
was probably a good thing. Um, but I mean, I
I don't know, Yeah, I didn't really know that. And honestly,
Barnett didn't really say anything about it either. Like I
knew Barnet would talk about Amber a little bit, not
like that, but you know, he would mentioned that's who
(15:30):
the other person was, and he was Amber was he
was telling Amber about you know that I'm the other
person kind of, but we didn't really know much about
jess And truthfully, like not to like talk I'm not
trying to like talk down about myself or Amber anything,
but I was just like Jessica is leagues out of
like out of his league, Like she's way out of
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his league. Like she's like at the time, at least
that's what I was thinking, like she's like so much
cooler and smarter than going for a guy like Barnett,
which I should have listened to myself, but I was like,
you know at the time, like those are definitely the
kind of guys I was going for. But I mean,
it's just I don't know, I was like thrown off.
I was like, there's a way that that justin Bern.
(16:11):
I think I would never be That's not a thing.
She's too smart for that. So this is another like
another chapter of the Jez story because you know, I mean,
I'm sure you you you feel it as well. I mean,
it's just someone who watched the show. She's the least
likable person, you know, kind of in the in the
girl's facility. Um, like, what what did we get wrong? Like?
What what did we not figure out? Um? I honestly
(16:35):
like going through that experience, I never thought that she'd
be love the least likable person, Like I never like that.
Didn't anything I ever come across to me as that. Um, honestly,
I couldn't even tell you which girl I would have
maybe thought that about. But like, because I feel like
everyone was pretty we're all pretty good and got along
with whatever. But um, I obviously didn't see anything that
went down in the pods like other people's dates. So
(16:57):
I guess that had a lot to do with it.
But um, yeah, it sucks though no one wants to
be the villain like it. I don't really think that
she was a villain. I guess it's just kind of
I thought she was very honest. Yeah, I was gonna say.
I feel like, if anything, she was just speaking her truth.
I guess, you know, and it'll resonate with some people,
(17:17):
and I guess a lot of people that didn't. And
I don't know that it sucks. I mean, because have
you ever been in that position before where you're like,
I really want him to like me, but he also
has his girlfriend and then you're you know, I think
everyone has been in that position at some point in
their lives. So it's just kinda like give it a brain,
like one hundred percent. Yes, absolutely, Like there's a lot
(17:39):
of good guys that I really like. Rory for example.
You didn't really see this, but I had a whole
breakdown of Rory in the Pods because I was like,
why can't I just like guys like Rory, Like he's
just like nice and cares and like you know, and
just I was like, I had like a whole thing
about it. I was like, I don't know why I
can't go for people like this, And it was just
essentially kind of what Dress was going through to um
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hers just got dragged out. I guess that then, you know,
because Barnett comes off pretty good, and I think because
he's just kind of a little goofy Um. You know
he's he seems likable, but it seems like no, not really,
I mean for for what he for, especially you know,
in your case, how far along you got? Um? Do
you think that changed? Like the way? Did I guess
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what I'm trying to get it? Did he do things
differently than everybody else? Was he maybe trying to lead
you down a path of Hey, this is gonna end
up with us getting engaged, compared to what the other
guys were doing just kind of sharing themselves with you. Uh,
what do you mean? Like? Did he talk about it more? Yeah?
Did Barnett talked about Hey, when we're engaged, or we're
gonna be married, or you know, we're gonna live together,
(18:43):
we're gonna have kids like that? Was he doing maybe
more of that? No, Honestly, I think Kenny did it
more than Barnett did. Um. Yeah, Um, at least of
my conversations with him and what I've heard from Kelly's conversations,
I feel like that's kind of what they were doing
to Like, Um, I don't think I think that he
was doing it just the same way as everybody else was.
(19:04):
You just couldn't get to see a lot of that. Um,
but I mean Burnett obviously, like I was, you know,
clearly upset about it and hurt the whole like for
a while there. But I mean we're we're good now,
we're friends, like we've talked about whatever, and like I
love Amber and all that, but it's like it's hard.
The whole situation is so hard, Like especially when he
(19:27):
admittedly at the beginning of the show, like you hear
talked about how he's always goes for like pretty girls whatever,
like he didn't have it wasn't it kind of it
was this thing where it's like he can't be like, oh,
Amber is prettier than Lauren said that or LC, so
like that's why you know, I'll go for Amber. It
wasn't like a attractive physical attractive thing, which is like
how it is in real life, which is weird, but
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I mean it's it just makes it a lot harder.
So I don't blame him for you know, putting us
through that or anything, but he was just trying to
make the best decision he could. I mean, it's a
short amount of time. I'm like getting engaged these people
you've never seen. Like it's hard So something that I'm
curious about that I actually haven't asked you, which is interesting, Um,
is after seeing Barnett and Kenny play out, do you
(20:12):
think that if they would have picked you, you would
have gotten married to either one of them? Um? I
don't know. I really don't know. I can't. I mean maybe,
but I feel like we would have at least, if anything,
maybe just maybe done like how you and Damien did
(20:32):
and just dated, maybe contended dating after the show or something.
But I really don't know. I was definitely open to it,
if I was, you know, if I was feeling that
it was the right thing to do, like I was
obviously going to do it. But UM, I don't know.
It's hard to say because it didn't happen. So when
you mentioned when you mentioned the kind of amber thing
(20:54):
and the looks and and that was it, does that
does that make it harder, like of a rejection? Is
that kind of what you were getting at that that
it stings even more because they're kind of walking away
from you the person versus you the the physical appearance. Yeah, um,
for sure, for sure, Like that was probably the hardest
(21:14):
thing I had to deal with after the show, Like
just being like what is my Like what's going on here?
Like what did I do wrong? What did he or
what what am I thinking? It was just like a
whole I like spiraled after the show. I was just
like trying to figure out like what was going on, um,
and what what I'm doing as a person like to
I don't know because it's not theirs. Like I said
(21:35):
on the show, like this isn't like the first time
this kind of thing's happened, but like maybe I can
fall I just said, how anything else to fall back on.
It wasn't like, oh, he's just more attracted to Amber,
you know, it's just like genuinely as a person like
that I showed him at least like which I feel
like I was more open and those in the pods
and I have been in any other I mean I
I opened up more to those guys in a few days,
(21:57):
and I did the guy I did it for almost
four years. So it's like, um, you know me as
like my true authentic self like still getting this rejection.
So it's like but you know, at the end of
the day, I had to just kind of realize like
that's not it wasn't for me, you know, Um, And
seeing watching the show now and like being around Amber
and Burnett real life after to like and and just
(22:19):
watching it back now, like I totally get why he
picked Amber, but like at the time, obviously it's like
a big I guess almost like an like an ego
blasts or something like it's just like, Okay, well cool,
this isn't like a normal rejection. This is like me
as if at my core, like being my full authentic self,
like doesn't still doesn't like it. When uh, when when
(22:42):
he finally tells you that that it's not going to happen,
you know, you kind of have that moment of pause.
Obviously you can see how emotionally affect you are, but
then you kind of launch into a little bit of
a I would have never done this to you? How
how you know sort of thing? When what did you
mean by that? Like he should you felt like he
should have cut you loose Jon her that that he
did lead you to believe that this was actually like
(23:03):
what were you getting at there? Um? Well, he got
especially towards c N, but the whole time really, um,
I realized he was doing this thing where he's like
when he's in the room, were on the pod, date,
he wants me, and then when he's in the pod
day with Amber, he wants her, and like he's he's
telling us like literally, one of the last conversations I
(23:23):
had with him was him telling me that he's like,
you know, scared that he's He's like, I feel like,
I feel so terrible, I'm gonna have to go break
it off with Amber, you know what I mean. Like,
and I'm thinking, like, you know, of course I'm leaving
that date like, oh my god, it's me, you know,
like I'm gonna like this can actually work, so excited.
And then and then I see you Ember come back
from her pod day and she's like smiling and giddy too,
(23:45):
and I'm like, okay, well, obviously he did not break
up with her, so um. It was just one of
those things where I was like, you didn't need to
say those things, like you didn't you could just been
like he was pretty upfront aboutknopping, sure, Like he could
have just kept being up front about knopping. Sure he didn't.
He was basically making it like making me have confidence
in our relationship and then making her have confidence in there,
(24:07):
which is fine, but also it got Jessica oh way
and Jessica, Yeah too. For sure, he's playing like a
Sister Wives Club or something. I know, I'm like, this
is not the right show for that. So you you
until the day, like when you walked into that pod
that that day that he said we're you know it's
(24:27):
not gonna happen. You assumed you were walking in and
that maybe like her proposal was coming that day. Um no. Um.
I kind of at that point, it was half me
just kind of like talking myself down really, um, like
expecting the worst kind of thing. Um. But also half
the other half was like me and Ember we made
(24:47):
like a deal, like not really because at that point,
especially towards the end, like when it came to that point,
like it was really just down to be an Amber
jess wasn't really part of it as much at that point. Um.
And so it was just one of those same where
me and Amber had decided not to really talk to
each other about it, which we were really respectful about.
And then it just kind of came out like a
(25:08):
little bit before that, like she would I just kind
of overheard her talking about him and they she was
saying all this stuff that he said to her that
he said the exact same stuff to me, and I
was just like I'm out, like I can't, I'm not,
I don't want to do this, Like this is absolutely ridiculous.
I was so pissed and um, it was just that
(25:29):
kind of hurt a little bit. So I was already that,
you know, just leading up to that pod the last
like pod date, I was just already really upset and
I had been crying like the whole day, and I
was just like ready to just get in there. I
didn't want to cry in there, Like I was really like,
he does not deserve this. I was like real pissed, um,
(25:51):
and I honestly don't even remember what I said. Like
I when I watched it back, I was like, okay,
that was kind of cool, proud of her, no, like
go go, I'll see like what. But I literally did
not remember even like fifteen minutes after when like my
producer came in and was like, I'll see, what did
(26:12):
you just say to him? Like you made him cry?
Everyone's clapping, who's watching? Like what just happened? I was
like I don't. I have no idea, but I think
I was just so up. I was like had so
much emotion, like boiled up all day about this and
I just finally got to let it loose, and I
I was just I like blacked out on most the
one of the I think one of the reasons why,
(26:33):
I mean not one of the reasons. It's for the
main reason why Jess became a bit of that villain
was the way she decided to to deal with that relationship.
And it happened before they went to Mexico. It happened
in the facility when she went up to Amber and uh,
and she was like, Hey, this is this guy's bad
news man or you know, he told me he was
gonna marry me. And did you ever think about because
like you said, Amber's my girl, Like, did you ever
(26:54):
think about saying, hey, you know he said those exact
same things to me and kind of outing him and
what he was doing. So I did not see that part. Um.
I wasn't there when that was happening. I was, I
was probably on the date at that time with Barrett Um,
but I didn't. I wasn't in there when that was happening.
But I came in after and she was so kind
of like upset and everything. Um, And honestly, we didn't
(27:18):
even know she was talking to Burnett, because we don't
know who we're talking to really unless we like are
out really talking about it, I guess, but she was.
I feel like she was a little bit more quiet
about stuff like that, which is totally fine, but um, yeah,
I think with her doing that, it was more like
I was just like, oh, why I didn't even know
you even, why would you even like Burnett? Um? But
(27:42):
I guess I was more shocked about that that I
just kind of I didn't really know what to think
about it at the time. Um. Yeah, I just meant
I didn't know if you did you you know, because
she approached Amber and said, you know, don't do it.
I didn't know if you ever thought about that of
seeing that to Amber and then just like you said,
you kind of made that pact or you didn't know,
you didn't know that he was saying those things to Anger. No,
I didn't know until based in the last second, like
(28:04):
the last few hours leading up to it, like the
last day before. I was like the night before maybe
the engagement like happened or it didn't happen for us.
So yeah, no, I didn't know. And then once I
knew we did actually talk about it. Um. Unfortunately that
part we actually didn't have. We didn't even have Mike's
on at that point, like we were not recording. But UM,
(28:27):
I did talk to her about it, and she knew UM,
and we both had the information we needed to like
make the decision and stuff, and UM, yeah, I think
it just came down to, like, I mean, that's just.
I mean I think they're a great couple. Like that's
I feel like they found each other, like that's her
person kind of what if it was like what if
what if she? What if she had said that to
(28:50):
you and you were the one and then you were
to go in and he was going to propose to you.
How do you think you would have done? Um? I
really don't. At the time, I was like, even if
he does propose to me, I'm not going to say
yes at this point, Like I know that's just but
I don't know, like I can say that all day,
But you know, I probably would have still been yeah,
(29:13):
you know, I probably, I don't know. It would have
been a different conversation for sure. It would not have
just been like a happy, crying yes, like I would
have been like, Okay, here are the stipulations like if
this is a thing, like here's what's gonna like. This
can't like we're not doing this kind of stuff anymore,
Like this is not like moving forward, like what's this
going to actually look like? Kind of I would have
had it maybe like spell it out a little bit more,
(29:35):
um before I said yes. It wouldn't have been like acute, crying,
exciting proposal. I don't think like I want to say yes,
but I tell you, yeah, like here's what we're gonna
do when we're not gonna do. Um. Yeah, am I
happy the whole the whole thing? Yeah, of course. I mean,
(29:58):
if anything, I well, I learned a lot a lot,
a lot a lot about myself. I have changed so much,
um relationship, like in that area of my life, um,
which is for the better because I've had a lot
of stuff to work out apparent obviously, you know, yeah,
of course. And and I mean I just so I
just turned too and I was twenty six at the time,
(30:20):
and it's just such a big difference I feel like
in that time, which is a short amount of time,
but just in general, and I'm glad I had that
experience to kind of be a jumping point. I guess
to kind of kick start all of the changes I've
kind of gone through. And obviously I've met amazing people
through it too, um, the guys and the girls, like
I'm really close with all like everybody. So, UM, I've
(30:42):
met some of my best friends from the show. So
would you ever? Would you ever go back to the pods? Um?
I actually think I would do so much better this
time if I did it. Yes, just like being I'm
just I feel like I'm much stronger person like, more
self aware, like more confident person um, And I think
(31:03):
I would be more ready for the emotional told that
that would take. Um, I don't think I was ready
for it at the time. UM. I thought I was
ready for sure. UM, I wanted to be ready. I
just don't think that I was. And UM, now I
for sure think that I would be. I would be
a lot better in it. All Right, let's uh, let's
(31:24):
end on a on a nice light note here, LC,
we like to play a game with with all of use.
It's called love is Blind or hard pass. So I
give you a list of things that you now discover
about the person that you have connected within this pod,
and you have to say, I'm good with it. Or no,
not happening. And you only get you only get one pass?
(31:45):
All right? You just get one pass? All right? We
like a deal breaker, like a deal breaker exactly right?
Here we go? Has dated? Has dated one of your
best friends? Wait? Are we talking about? This is in
the pods? No, this is like that you have now
met the person you're supposed to spend the rest of
your life, and these are the things you're now learning. Okay,
has dated one of your best friends? Uh? Love is blind? Okay?
(32:10):
How about smoke sweed every day? I love his blind?
Okay refuses to cuddle? Who I love his blind? Okay? Uh? Socially, oh,
in like a cute way? You know what. Let's hates
(32:32):
you super awkward, like put you in compromising positions all
the time. I don't know how do you feel? It's okay,
you can teach me. He's not. Wait, I can only
have like one, only get one pass and I still
got two more to go, so okay, well we could
work on it. I don't know. Okay, love his blind
(32:56):
wants ten kids? Oh god, I might be I might
be my jerm or does he just to them it
just says, well, I'm just I'm following producer's orders. Here
it just says, actually, actually, let's say love is blind.
I love kids. Um, hopefully he'll be rich, because that's
going to be expensive. I won't be physically having tink.
(33:19):
There you go. And then uh, finally, how about swears
all the time? I mean, love is blind. I kind
of cuss a lot too. So we didn't get a
single hard pass you Okay, Well, now going back, I
think the socially awkward one might be my hard past.
That would be the hard best man, I'm telling you
it's not easy whatever. Daman's cool, he's great, he's kid
(33:43):
all right, I'll see. Thank you so much for joining us.
Really enjoyed that. Thank you, have a good rest of
your day, by a right gene or Well, Um, you
think she's all right and she's good, she's moved past it.
(34:04):
Oh yeah, I definitely think she's she's a better woman
for it. Thank you Barnett for putting all these women
through your ringer. Uh, I think you picked the right
one now, I think we uh. You know, it's hard
to remember that it's eighteen months ago, and she kept
saying that, you know it's twenty six. Then I'm twenty eight.
Now I'm so much different. Do you feel that much
different from what you were when you went into where
you are now? Completely? Huh? Yes, I feel like a
(34:25):
completely different person. Obviously I'm still g but I think
I did a lot of growing and these are these
are life lessons that you you have when as you mature,
as you get older. But with us, it was just
a very condensed boom here it is learned from it now, Yeah,
I was expedited. It was very condensed. So I think
(34:46):
we all matured, you know, probably five years in just
the course of a month and a half. Well, here's
the good news. As much as you've matured and uh,
as serious as you've become, we're going to drag it
all the way down in the next episode because we
are going to Mexico Favorite destinations. You guys arrived in
Mexico and just people started having sex all over the
(35:06):
place except for Mark and Jessica. We're gonna get to
all that in the next episode. Subscribe and make sure
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Alright, we're back on the Love Inside podcast and this
is our love Triangle episode G. We are going to
catch up with your your close friend and former roommate
from the facility. Uh no, no, she's not a roommate.
She wasn't now, she was just we're each other's confidence. Okay,
you're confidante. So you were roommates with the other Lauren,
the other Lauren Duchess. So this Lauren is best known
(00:27):
as LC as part of the Barnett love Triangle. She's
going to check in here in just a minute, but
before we bring her on, Um, how how did it
end up being a love triangle and not a love
square with you being one of the corners because you
were interested in Barnett way early? Right, Yeah, so he
was my first date, um, out of the whole experience.
(00:49):
So I kind of felt like, oh my god, like
he was so cool and it was such an easy
e chat and he has a sexy voice. So I
was like, Okay, it's Barnett. But then I quickly kind
of saw straight through him quickly, like second day. Yeah,
I was like, you know what, he has a lot
of growing up to do, and not even by hearing
(01:11):
what the other girls were saying. I just kind of
picked up on it where I was like, I need
more of like a man, and he sounds like he
has more of a journey ahead of him. Um, so
like a frat guy. Yeah, I think it seemed like
that's kind of you know, he was still in that
sort of party mode. Yes, I couldn't get a serious
conversation out of him. Well. I tried to just kind
(01:31):
of get more into hey, like what makes you you?
And he would always like throw a joke back at me.
And then that's when I was like, let's talk about
why you can't have a serious conversation. And I think
that's when he started kind of pulling away from me
and being like and same here. So I was like, okay,
like we're just not in each other's vibe. So I
pulled away from him pretty quickly. Um. So you mentioned Elsie.
(01:54):
Is you know you were her confident? Maybe she was
yours as well? Um, were you surprised when she was like,
I'm having serious conversations with this guy. I really like him. No,
because you know, we all have our own personalities, and
me and Elsie and me and Amber, I saw myself
and a lot and both of them ambers like a
percent feisty, and so I saw my fistinus in there,
(02:16):
and I saw him, you know, my my sweet shy
side and l C. So I really just kind of
related to them on both levels. And so when I
saw that they were both into him, I was like,
this makes sense in a weird way, but you know,
if I was, I can totally see why they were.
And you know, different people are able to pull different
sides of each other. So I was like, Okay, good
for you that you two are able to have serious
(02:37):
conversations with him. And then they would come back and say, like,
you know, like he likes both of us, like what
do we do? And I was like, you need to
tell him to grow a pair, Like now on your
next day, you both have to go in there and
tell him, Hey, this is what I want, this is
what I want in a relationship. What are your thoughts
or what do you feel? Because he's not giving either
you a straight answer. So I was pretty much one
(02:59):
telling him, like, go in there and demand this out
of him. And I don't know how much influence I had,
but I again I saw straight through him in that sense,
and it was like, this is what he needs, and
I would kind of yell over the wall like Barnett
open up, like I would literally yell. I would yell
in the facility, hoping that he could hear you. Yeah,
because on the other side of the wall, did you
(03:20):
hear through the little man? I mean, if you yell
like super loud. So sometimes I would like literally at
the top of my legs because I was so frustrated
with him, because my friends were in pain because of
what he was going through. And I don't look, I
don't want to say bad guy, but do you think
maybe like you know, it's not a game. I know
it's not a game either, but it certainly seems like
he really led a couple of people on way far down,
(03:43):
maybe further than they should have had to go. And
you know, I think that's a form of self validation
of like, hey, like do you am I worthy of love?
And so you kind of want to gather as much
of that as you can. And you know, if you're
hurting other people in the process, like you don't know, Slash,
you don't really care because you want to fill in
that void however you can. And I think that's what
he was trying to do, Um, how bad was it?
(04:06):
You know, we get to see a little bit of
a glimpse of it. I don't want to like bring
Elsie two down when we bring her on, but like,
was it? Uh? You know it was really bad just
because it matters of the heart hit different and to me,
Elsie might say that, you know, the way that she
was rejected was because it was her soul, her every
(04:27):
bit of her that makes her her, without you know,
having to see your face or hair color, and that
just that is a completely different layer that you unveil
when someone is rejecting you. But it's because they're rejecting
this piece of you that is so intimate and it's
like you're literally your heart in the palm of your
hands and someone's just slapping it out of you and
saying I don't want it. And so that's where it
(04:47):
was just like this this really hard thing to watch.
But also I felt like, you know, babe, if it's
not for you, like it's not for you, and go
on and find someone else that will worthy that part
of you. Did did you have like if you were
to handicap, did you feel like, oh, he's more of
an amber guy, or he's more of an LC guy,
like did you have a vibe either way an Amber guy?
(05:10):
And because Amber was that is that woman that's able
to put Barnett in his place and also beat goofy
with him and be silly with him, I think Elsie
would have had a hard time telling him, hey, like,
this isn't okay with me, even though she would have.
I think he took what Amber said a little bit
(05:32):
heavier because he did say she scared shit out of it,
you know, So he had that kind of like he
was putting her up in that level of like I
better listen to her. She's gonna kick my ass, And
I think that's what he needed. Um, did Elsie share
anything with you about anybody else, Like were you trying
to be since you believe that and you saw how
far she was falling, how hard she was falling for Barnett,
(05:53):
did you try to steer into a different direction where
there any other guys that she was interested in that
you were like, maybe maybe you go this way, that
might be a good thing for you. Elsie. Well, I
never told anyone what they should do if they asked
your advice, Like did she ever come to you and say, hey,
what do you think this is what I'm in right now? Yeah,
I mean I would tell her. I'd be like, you
better put him in his place, and you better you
know that she might have been into um no, because
(06:17):
she was really into Barnett, And if I tried to,
I didn't want to impose on other relationships, Like I
was never like, oh, like go for Kenny when I
knew that Kenny and Kelly were together, like oh for
the It's just this is who you're pining over, and
this is who you need to talk about. So this
is who we're going to focus. So she was Barnett
all the way. She was Barnett, right, all right, well
let's bring Barnett b o b uh. We will bring
(06:41):
on l c next. Al right, g joining us now
as we continue our tour of Love is Blind Experiment participants,
it is time to bring in el c Uh, one
point of a triangle that we are going to get to. Elsie,
(07:04):
Thank you, How are you? I'm good? How are you
doing well? Um? We will get to all that. We
like to start out kind of with the same question
for everyone thoughing that is, how did you come to
find yourself on Love Is Blind? And why did you
agree to do the show. Um, I had a friend
who had I guess met someone in casting and she
(07:26):
just kind of gave him my name because I have
been trying to drag her to an open call for
The Bachelor and she didn't want to do it. But
she ended up kind of going through the casting process
for this too, but didn't get on the show. But um,
but yeah, I mean she really kind of just gave
him my name without even telling me. So nice they
(07:46):
called me, and I was like, what is happening right now? Um,
and then just kind of went with it. Um. You know,
I've I mean I've and I just figured why not. Well,
I'm super happy that she gave you your name because
then I wouldn't have had you there. Oh my gosh.
I know we went through so much. What did you
(08:08):
go through? I think we're basically yeah, all right. I
think we were both just like these like a little
emotional like like soul sisters, just like what do you think? Well,
what do you think? I don't know, like I don't
feel like he's gonna like me. Well I don't think
he's gonna be me either, And I think we were
just like very in tune with one another. Um. And
(08:28):
then when everything with Barnett was kind of going down, UM,
I think I was able to just kind of help
you through that. I don't know if I actually helped you,
but I felt like I was definitely helping you vent
at least. Yeah, no, I I was. I'm so thankful because, um,
I am not not typically super emotional person and I
(08:51):
don't just like sit around and talk about boys and
stuff and like not for very long, if anything. And
I didn't really realize that about myself until I got
thrown into this world where that's like all we were
there to do. Um. And so I was just like
having a really hard time with just processing everything. UM.
And G was really good to talk to and just
either just to like listen to me like blab on
(09:14):
and like crying about whatever was happening. Um. But she
was also putt I feel like pretty good at like
putting things into words um that I was feeling and
relating to me and stuff. So it was just it
was a lot and I'm really thankful for people. I
mean all the girls really, but I know specifically I
had a lot of good talks with G. So what UM,
(09:35):
when when you mentioned the the open calls and stuff.
So like what percentage of you was was just kind
of getting on a you know, getting into this experiment
and getting on Love is Blind, And what percentage was, Hey,
I'm going to meet someone and maybe find my soul mate. Yeah.
I mean I feel like anyone you talked to that
goes on anything like this, they're pretty much kind of
open to both. Like, obviously I'm intrigued by the whole
(09:56):
process in general, um, just to kind of be able
to see behind the scenes kind of how everything worked
and all that. But I mean I would not have
gone on the show if I didn't if I was
not open to that experience. Um. Obviously I did open
up to that experience as much as I think I
could have at the time at least, and then, um,
you know I was, I was ready to do that
(10:18):
next step and it just didn't work out. But UM,
I think I realized once I got there too, that
I was way more into it than I thought I
was going to be. Um, I don't think any of
us could really even prepare mentally for anything like that
to happen. Um, So it was it was pretty cool
to see. When did you start like developing feelings for
(10:40):
the guys on the other side. Um, I really hate
to I hate to say this because I feel like
I sound like a psycho. But day one, I mean
the first yeah, like the first dates, Like from the
very first dates, it was pretty overwhelming talk to that
many people. But from day one, like I had the
same Like Burnett and Kenny were the ones that set
out for me most and they were the ones that
(11:01):
I ended up going through most of that whole process with.
So um yeah, I mean I pretty much didn't change,
which I maybe I should have been more open to it,
but that's kind of for me from the jump, Like
that's how I felt. But who I ask everybody this
and for some reason you don't like giving me answers.
But I feel like Elsie's gonna do it. Who was
(11:23):
who was number fifteen? Um? John? Everybody says John, that
was a real a hole man. Everybody you like you
try to stay away, Like I don't want to say
I feel bad, but I knew Elsie just comes straight
with nos. John, I have no clons about that. I
will say that I would love to say poor job,
(11:46):
but no, it sounds like just a bad guy. Um,
what about you? You mentioned Kenny. Um. We didn't get
to see a whole lot of that. So how how
far along did you get with with Kenny? Was it
like one in one A I'm we so we narrowed
down everything like every day um, and so we were
able to spend more time with people that we were
actually connecting with. But the I got I mean I
(12:10):
was down to the last kind of few people with
Kenny Um. My top kind of three people ended up
being Barnett, Kenny, and Rory Um, who was the quote
unquote plant or whatever. Yeah, he's the plant Um. But
Rory mostly was like a friendship thing where he just
was really good at like talking me through stuff, um,
(12:32):
and like I would help him with what he was
going through or try to, and then he would like
definitely help me with what I was going through. So
like I really wanted him there with me and like
my top like it was like Rory and Barnett and
you know, kind of down to the wire there for me,
so where he was able to just kind of talk
me through a lot of stuff, which was good. What
about Kenny, did you have like an emotional key? Yeah, definitely.
(12:57):
I realized through the show that I have a voice
type as it seems, um, because I feel like Parton
and Kenny have very similar voices, but um like the
deeper a little bit southern but not too much kind
of thank you. I don't know, I guess I have.
Are you starting to go on dates and being like
cold on, let me close my eyes. No, seriously, Like
(13:18):
I'm not kidding when I go on dates down the
real world here, like from a dating app or something like,
I'm actually really nervous about what your voice is gonna
sound like. Um, that's your number one characteristic. You gotta
have a deep, a little bit of a southern drawl.
I had no idea. So when you when you're into Kenny,
(13:39):
are you and Kelly having any conversations? Is there any
weird stuff going on there? Um, that wasn't never nothing
I ever got, like, no like drama or anything. I
wish I could be more interesting on that front for you,
but um no, Like Kelly would talk to me a
little bit about it. I kind of had just had
to have a conversation with her. Um after a few
(14:00):
days of it just being like, yeah, I don't really
you know, I'm kind of getting to the point now
where I don't really want to hear about that with you,
Like I'm really happy for it. I'll hear about anything
else like any other guys, I just not really about
because it's like throws it throws you off, you know,
you start comparing yourself to things, and I feel like
the good thing about this experiment is that you didn't
You couldn't really compare yourself your relationship to other people. Um,
(14:25):
and I didn't want that to like throw it off
for me, which I don't know. I feel like it
might have actually, um at least with the Kenny stuff,
but maybe like maybe lean more in towards Barnett, but yeah,
I don't know. I mean, it's just there was never
any like weirdness though with Kelly, like I love her
so well. I was gonna say, like you said, I
wish I could be more interesting, but I think everyone
(14:46):
would like to defer your definitely. But did you know
that you know you're in a triangle because I knew
that you and Amber would talk it out, but I
didn't know that Jessica was also in that mix show. Nope, right,
we did not know that. I knew, Like honestly, I
(15:09):
feel like jess was now looking back I think she
was pretty quiet about everything that kind of happened, which
was probably a good thing. Um, but I mean, I
I don't know, Yeah, I didn't really know that. And honestly,
Barnett didn't really say anything about it either. Like I
knew Barnet would talk about Amber a little bit, not
like that, but you know, he would mentioned that's who
(15:30):
the other person was, and he was Amber was he
was telling Amber about you know that I'm the other
person kind of, but we didn't really know much about
jess And truthfully, like not to like talk I'm not
trying to like talk down about myself or Amber anything,
but I was just like Jessica is leagues out of
like out of his league, Like she's way out of
(15:50):
his league. Like she's like at the time, at least
that's what I was thinking, like she's like so much
cooler and smarter than going for a guy like Barnett,
which I should have listened to myself, but I was like,
you know at the time, like those are definitely the
kind of guys I was going for. But I mean,
it's just I don't know, I was like thrown off.
I was like, there's a way that that justin Bern.
(16:11):
I think I would never be That's not a thing.
She's too smart for that. So this is another like
another chapter of the Jez story because you know, I mean,
I'm sure you you you feel it as well. I mean,
it's just someone who watched the show. She's the least
likable person, you know, kind of in the in the
girl's facility. Um, like, what what did we get wrong? Like?
What what did we not figure out? Um? I honestly
(16:35):
like going through that experience, I never thought that she'd
be love the least likable person, Like I never like that.
Didn't anything I ever come across to me as that. Um, honestly,
I couldn't even tell you which girl I would have
maybe thought that about. But like, because I feel like
everyone was pretty we're all pretty good and got along
with whatever. But um, I obviously didn't see anything that
went down in the pods like other people's dates. So
(16:57):
I guess that had a lot to do with it.
But um, yeah, it sucks though no one wants to
be the villain like it. I don't really think that
she was a villain. I guess it's just kind of
I thought she was very honest. Yeah, I was gonna say.
I feel like, if anything, she was just speaking her truth.
I guess, you know, and it'll resonate with some people,
(17:17):
and I guess a lot of people that didn't. And
I don't know that it sucks. I mean, because have
you ever been in that position before where you're like,
I really want him to like me, but he also
has his girlfriend and then you're you know, I think
everyone has been in that position at some point in
their lives. So it's just kinda like give it a brain,
like one hundred percent. Yes, absolutely, Like there's a lot
(17:39):
of good guys that I really like. Rory for example.
You didn't really see this, but I had a whole
breakdown of Rory in the Pods because I was like,
why can't I just like guys like Rory, Like he's
just like nice and cares and like you know, and
just I was like, I had like a whole thing
about it. I was like, I don't know why I
can't go for people like this, And it was just
essentially kind of what Dress was going through to um
(18:02):
hers just got dragged out. I guess that then, you know,
because Barnett comes off pretty good, and I think because
he's just kind of a little goofy Um. You know
he's he seems likable, but it seems like no, not really,
I mean for for what he for, especially you know,
in your case, how far along you got? Um? Do
you think that changed? Like the way? Did I guess
(18:22):
what I'm trying to get it? Did he do things
differently than everybody else? Was he maybe trying to lead
you down a path of Hey, this is gonna end
up with us getting engaged, compared to what the other
guys were doing just kind of sharing themselves with you. Uh,
what do you mean? Like? Did he talk about it more? Yeah?
Did Barnett talked about Hey, when we're engaged, or we're
gonna be married, or you know, we're gonna live together,
(18:43):
we're gonna have kids like that? Was he doing maybe
more of that? No, Honestly, I think Kenny did it
more than Barnett did. Um. Yeah, Um, at least of
my conversations with him and what I've heard from Kelly's conversations,
I feel like that's kind of what they were doing
to Like, Um, I don't think I think that he
was doing it just the same way as everybody else was.
(19:04):
You just couldn't get to see a lot of that. Um,
but I mean Burnett obviously, like I was, you know,
clearly upset about it and hurt the whole like for
a while there. But I mean we're we're good now,
we're friends, like we've talked about whatever, and like I
love Amber and all that, but it's like it's hard.
The whole situation is so hard, Like especially when he
(19:27):
admittedly at the beginning of the show, like you hear
talked about how he's always goes for like pretty girls whatever,
like he didn't have it wasn't it kind of it
was this thing where it's like he can't be like, oh,
Amber is prettier than Lauren said that or LC, so
like that's why you know, I'll go for Amber. It
wasn't like a attractive physical attractive thing, which is like
how it is in real life, which is weird, but
(19:49):
I mean it's it just makes it a lot harder.
So I don't blame him for you know, putting us
through that or anything, but he was just trying to
make the best decision he could. I mean, it's a
short amount of time. I'm like getting engaged these people
you've never seen. Like it's hard So something that I'm
curious about that I actually haven't asked you, which is interesting, Um,
is after seeing Barnett and Kenny play out, do you
(20:12):
think that if they would have picked you, you would
have gotten married to either one of them? Um? I
don't know. I really don't know. I can't. I mean maybe,
but I feel like we would have at least, if anything,
maybe just maybe done like how you and Damien did
(20:32):
and just dated, maybe contended dating after the show or something.
But I really don't know. I was definitely open to it,
if I was, you know, if I was feeling that
it was the right thing to do, like I was
obviously going to do it. But UM, I don't know.
It's hard to say because it didn't happen. So when
you mentioned when you mentioned the kind of amber thing
(20:54):
and the looks and and that was it, does that
does that make it harder, like of a rejection? Is
that kind of what you were getting at that that
it stings even more because they're kind of walking away
from you the person versus you the the physical appearance. Yeah, um,
for sure, for sure, Like that was probably the hardest
(21:14):
thing I had to deal with after the show, Like
just being like what is my Like what's going on here?
Like what did I do wrong? What did he or
what what am I thinking? It was just like a
whole I like spiraled after the show. I was just
like trying to figure out like what was going on, um,
and what what I'm doing as a person like to
I don't know because it's not theirs. Like I said
(21:35):
on the show, like this isn't like the first time
this kind of thing's happened, but like maybe I can
fall I just said, how anything else to fall back on.
It wasn't like, oh, he's just more attracted to Amber,
you know, it's just like genuinely as a person like
that I showed him at least like which I feel
like I was more open and those in the pods
and I have been in any other I mean I
I opened up more to those guys in a few days,
(21:57):
and I did the guy I did it for almost
four years. So it's like, um, you know me as
like my true authentic self like still getting this rejection.
So it's like but you know, at the end of
the day, I had to just kind of realize like
that's not it wasn't for me, you know, Um, And
seeing watching the show now and like being around Amber
and Burnett real life after to like and and just
(22:19):
watching it back now, like I totally get why he
picked Amber, but like at the time, obviously it's like
a big I guess almost like an like an ego
blasts or something like it's just like, Okay, well cool,
this isn't like a normal rejection. This is like me
as if at my core, like being my full authentic self,
like doesn't still doesn't like it. When uh, when when
(22:42):
he finally tells you that that it's not going to happen,
you know, you kind of have that moment of pause.
Obviously you can see how emotionally affect you are, but
then you kind of launch into a little bit of
a I would have never done this to you? How
how you know sort of thing? When what did you
mean by that? Like he should you felt like he
should have cut you loose Jon her that that he
did lead you to believe that this was actually like
(23:03):
what were you getting at there? Um? Well, he got
especially towards c N, but the whole time really, um,
I realized he was doing this thing where he's like
when he's in the room, were on the pod, date,
he wants me, and then when he's in the pod
day with Amber, he wants her, and like he's he's
telling us like literally, one of the last conversations I
(23:23):
had with him was him telling me that he's like,
you know, scared that he's He's like, I feel like,
I feel so terrible, I'm gonna have to go break
it off with Amber, you know what I mean. Like,
and I'm thinking, like, you know, of course I'm leaving
that date like, oh my god, it's me, you know,
like I'm gonna like this can actually work, so excited.
And then and then I see you Ember come back
from her pod day and she's like smiling and giddy too,
(23:45):
and I'm like, okay, well, obviously he did not break
up with her, so um. It was just one of
those things where I was like, you didn't need to
say those things, like you didn't you could just been
like he was pretty upfront aboutknopping, sure, Like he could
have just kept being up front about knopping. Sure he didn't.
He was basically making it like making me have confidence
in our relationship and then making her have confidence in there,
(24:07):
which is fine, but also it got Jessica oh way
and Jessica, Yeah too. For sure, he's playing like a
Sister Wives Club or something. I know, I'm like, this
is not the right show for that. So you you
until the day, like when you walked into that pod
that that day that he said we're you know it's
(24:27):
not gonna happen. You assumed you were walking in and
that maybe like her proposal was coming that day. Um no. Um.
I kind of at that point, it was half me
just kind of like talking myself down really, um, like
expecting the worst kind of thing. Um. But also half
the other half was like me and Ember we made
(24:47):
like a deal, like not really because at that point,
especially towards the end, like when it came to that point,
like it was really just down to be an Amber
jess wasn't really part of it as much at that point. Um.
And so it was just one of those same where
me and Amber had decided not to really talk to
each other about it, which we were really respectful about.
And then it just kind of came out like a
(25:08):
little bit before that, like she would I just kind
of overheard her talking about him and they she was
saying all this stuff that he said to her that
he said the exact same stuff to me, and I
was just like I'm out, like I can't, I'm not,
I don't want to do this, Like this is absolutely ridiculous.
I was so pissed and um, it was just that
(25:29):
kind of hurt a little bit. So I was already that,
you know, just leading up to that pod the last
like pod date, I was just already really upset and
I had been crying like the whole day, and I
was just like ready to just get in there. I
didn't want to cry in there, Like I was really like,
he does not deserve this. I was like real pissed, um,
(25:51):
and I honestly don't even remember what I said. Like
I when I watched it back, I was like, okay,
that was kind of cool, proud of her, no, like
go go, I'll see like what. But I literally did
not remember even like fifteen minutes after when like my
producer came in and was like, I'll see, what did
(26:12):
you just say to him? Like you made him cry?
Everyone's clapping, who's watching? Like what just happened? I was
like I don't. I have no idea, but I think
I was just so up. I was like had so
much emotion, like boiled up all day about this and
I just finally got to let it loose, and I
I was just I like blacked out on most the
one of the I think one of the reasons why,
(26:33):
I mean not one of the reasons. It's for the
main reason why Jess became a bit of that villain
was the way she decided to to deal with that relationship.
And it happened before they went to Mexico. It happened
in the facility when she went up to Amber and uh,
and she was like, Hey, this is this guy's bad
news man or you know, he told me he was
gonna marry me. And did you ever think about because
like you said, Amber's my girl, Like, did you ever
(26:54):
think about saying, hey, you know he said those exact
same things to me and kind of outing him and
what he was doing. So I did not see that part. Um.
I wasn't there when that was happening. I was, I
was probably on the date at that time with Barrett Um,
but I didn't. I wasn't in there when that was happening.
But I came in after and she was so kind
of like upset and everything. Um, And honestly, we didn't
(27:18):
even know she was talking to Burnett, because we don't
know who we're talking to really unless we like are
out really talking about it, I guess, but she was.
I feel like she was a little bit more quiet
about stuff like that, which is totally fine, but um, yeah,
I think with her doing that, it was more like
I was just like, oh, why I didn't even know
you even, why would you even like Burnett? Um? But
(27:42):
I guess I was more shocked about that that I
just kind of I didn't really know what to think
about it at the time. Um. Yeah, I just meant
I didn't know if you did you you know, because
she approached Amber and said, you know, don't do it.
I didn't know if you ever thought about that of
seeing that to Amber and then just like you said,
you kind of made that pact or you didn't know,
you didn't know that he was saying those things to Anger. No,
I didn't know until based in the last second, like
(28:04):
the last few hours leading up to it, like the
last day before. I was like the night before maybe
the engagement like happened or it didn't happen for us.
So yeah, no, I didn't know. And then once I
knew we did actually talk about it. Um. Unfortunately that
part we actually didn't have. We didn't even have Mike's
on at that point, like we were not recording. But UM,
(28:27):
I did talk to her about it, and she knew UM,
and we both had the information we needed to like
make the decision and stuff, and UM, yeah, I think
it just came down to, like, I mean, that's just.
I mean I think they're a great couple. Like that's
I feel like they found each other, like that's her
person kind of what if it was like what if
what if she? What if she had said that to
(28:50):
you and you were the one and then you were
to go in and he was going to propose to you.
How do you think you would have done? Um? I
really don't. At the time, I was like, even if
he does propose to me, I'm not going to say
yes at this point, Like I know that's just but
I don't know, like I can say that all day,
But you know, I probably would have still been yeah,
(29:13):
you know, I probably, I don't know. It would have
been a different conversation for sure. It would not have
just been like a happy, crying yes, like I would
have been like, Okay, here are the stipulations like if
this is a thing, like here's what's gonna like. This
can't like we're not doing this kind of stuff anymore,
Like this is not like moving forward, like what's this
going to actually look like? Kind of I would have
had it maybe like spell it out a little bit more,
(29:35):
um before I said yes. It wouldn't have been like acute, crying,
exciting proposal. I don't think like I want to say yes,
but I tell you, yeah, like here's what we're gonna
do when we're not gonna do. Um. Yeah, am I
happy the whole the whole thing? Yeah, of course. I mean,
(29:58):
if anything, I well, I learned a lot a lot,
a lot a lot about myself. I have changed so much,
um relationship, like in that area of my life, um,
which is for the better because I've had a lot
of stuff to work out apparent obviously, you know, yeah,
of course. And and I mean I just so I
just turned too and I was twenty six at the time,
(30:20):
and it's just such a big difference I feel like
in that time, which is a short amount of time,
but just in general, and I'm glad I had that
experience to kind of be a jumping point. I guess
to kind of kick start all of the changes I've
kind of gone through. And obviously I've met amazing people
through it too, um, the guys and the girls, like
I'm really close with all like everybody. So, UM, I've
(30:42):
met some of my best friends from the show. So
would you ever? Would you ever go back to the pods? Um?
I actually think I would do so much better this
time if I did it. Yes, just like being I'm
just I feel like I'm much stronger person like, more
self aware, like more confident person um, And I think
(31:03):
I would be more ready for the emotional told that
that would take. Um, I don't think I was ready
for it at the time. UM. I thought I was
ready for sure. UM, I wanted to be ready. I
just don't think that I was. And UM, now I
for sure think that I would be. I would be
a lot better in it. All Right, let's uh, let's
(31:24):
end on a on a nice light note here, LC,
we like to play a game with with all of use.
It's called love is Blind or hard pass. So I
give you a list of things that you now discover
about the person that you have connected within this pod,
and you have to say, I'm good with it. Or no,
not happening. And you only get you only get one pass?
(31:45):
All right? You just get one pass? All right? We
like a deal breaker, like a deal breaker exactly right?
Here we go? Has dated? Has dated one of your
best friends? Wait? Are we talking about? This is in
the pods? No, this is like that you have now
met the person you're supposed to spend the rest of
your life, and these are the things you're now learning. Okay,
has dated one of your best friends? Uh? Love is blind? Okay?
(32:10):
How about smoke sweed every day? I love his blind?
Okay refuses to cuddle? Who I love his blind? Okay? Uh? Socially, oh,
in like a cute way? You know what. Let's hates
(32:32):
you super awkward, like put you in compromising positions all
the time. I don't know how do you feel? It's okay,
you can teach me. He's not. Wait, I can only
have like one, only get one pass and I still
got two more to go, so okay, well we could
work on it. I don't know. Okay, love his blind
(32:56):
wants ten kids? Oh god, I might be I might
be my jerm or does he just to them it
just says, well, I'm just I'm following producer's orders. Here
it just says, actually, actually, let's say love is blind.
I love kids. Um, hopefully he'll be rich, because that's
going to be expensive. I won't be physically having tink.
(33:19):
There you go. And then uh, finally, how about swears
all the time? I mean, love is blind. I kind
of cuss a lot too. So we didn't get a
single hard pass you Okay, Well, now going back, I
think the socially awkward one might be my hard past.
That would be the hard best man, I'm telling you
it's not easy whatever. Daman's cool, he's great, he's kid
(33:43):
all right, I'll see. Thank you so much for joining us.
Really enjoyed that. Thank you, have a good rest of
your day, by a right gene or Well, Um, you
think she's all right and she's good, she's moved past it.
(34:04):
Oh yeah, I definitely think she's she's a better woman
for it. Thank you Barnett for putting all these women
through your ringer. Uh, I think you picked the right
one now, I think we uh. You know, it's hard
to remember that it's eighteen months ago, and she kept
saying that, you know it's twenty six. Then I'm twenty eight.
Now I'm so much different. Do you feel that much
different from what you were when you went into where
you are now? Completely? Huh? Yes, I feel like a
(34:25):
completely different person. Obviously I'm still g but I think
I did a lot of growing and these are these
are life lessons that you you have when as you mature,
as you get older. But with us, it was just
a very condensed boom here it is learned from it now, Yeah,
I was expedited. It was very condensed. So I think
(34:46):
we all matured, you know, probably five years in just
the course of a month and a half. Well, here's
the good news. As much as you've matured and uh,
as serious as you've become, we're going to drag it
all the way down in the next episode because we
are going to Mexico Favorite destinations. You guys arrived in
Mexico and just people started having sex all over the
(35:06):
place except for Mark and Jessica. We're gonna get to
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