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Stronger than a werewolf and more mesmerizing than Dracula! El Santo and Blue Demon, two wrestlers who became heroes both in the ring and on the big screen, leaving a legacy in Mexican popular culture and crossing borders.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Paint the picture in your mind's eye. It's nineteen fifty
two in Mexico City, a store window, a crowd gathered around,
faces glued to the glass. Everyone is talking about the
world's latest modern invention, the television. What they see on
the other side of the glass are in two inch
wide flat screens. They might as well be furniture, big, wooden, heavy,

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and nothing short of a fortune. Kind of like when
computers first came out, only very rich households could afford them.
If a poor home did have a TV, they were
treated like a community resource. If something was on, they
would invite people into their homes and charges more admission
to hold the damn thing up. And if you could
not afford admission, you were back to the storefront, nose

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in the glass, trying to catch the action along with
dozens of others. But what has everyone come to watch
on this particular day. They have come for an epic
Lucha libri match. It's a mask versus mask match between
El Santo and Black Shadow. Each of these luccallotters had

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tremendous fan bases, and undoubtedly onlookers were hurling cheers and
boosts as if it was Yankees Red Sox World Series Final,
Everyone leans closer, the ref just finish the counter three
erases Santa's hand, declaring him a winner. It's the moment
of truth. Black Shadow is going to take off his

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mask and reveal his identity. Photographers scroub the ring, and
police stand by, and already everyone watching from the store
window watches as El Santo approaches Black Shadow, but suddenly
he's on him, both hands on his mask, trying to
rip it off. Outrageous, ladies and gentlemen, this was unheard of.

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Even rudas who fought dirty respected certain codes, and one
of them was that in a mask versus mask match,
the loser had the right to take off their own mask.
Why isn't anyone stopping him? The onlookers must have thought,
but wait, what is that? Who is that? The screen
is black and white rainy No four KHD here, but

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it's clear another restler is approaching. It's Black Shadow's partner.
He rushes towards Elsanto kicks him hard, knocking him off
Black Shadow. Everyone is relieved and collaps for this little
known restaurer, but some already knew him. The young wrestler
already had fans so when people turned to each other
and said, Who's dad, the fans had an answer. It's

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Blue Demon. Years later, Blue Demon talked about the moment
in an interview. I had to intervene and knock over
a Santo so he would not take off black Shadows matters.
My partner had the right to remove it himself. That's
when people started taking me seriously. I got a lot
of fans from that, and my rivalry with Santo began.

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We're gonna hear all about this rivalry in this episode,
and also about a phenomenon that at that moment neither
could have predicted. The two of them would go on
to co star in dozens of movies together. I am

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Santos Escobara, the Emperor of Lucha Libre and a WW superstar.
For over twenty years, I have been a professional wrestler
in Mexico, the United States, and around the world. I've
been a champion, a hero, a villain. I've won and lost,

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but I always represent Lucha Libre with pride. Lucha Libre
it's tradition, it's heritage, it's culture, Ladies and gentlemen. The
following podcast is scheduled for twelve episodes, and it's all
about Lucha lib This is lucha libre behind the mass

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Episode four, Blue Demon and Alexandre legends of lucha and cinema.
Lucha libra rivalries go all the way back to the
days of La Maraville and Mascarada and Murcielago Velaskis. It's
not like Elsanto and Blue Demon invented them, but just

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like those two early wrestlers, examining a good rivalry is
a great way for us to keep learning about lucha
libre and to learn about these two men who fundamentally
impacted the sport and its cultural influence. Rivalries are critical
to lucha libre because they establish the kind of drama
that keeps audiences coming back week after week, Like a

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good TV show that keeps us coming back every week.
We can't get enough. We have to know what's going
when it happened. Following the ups and downs, the twists
and turns of two real life heroes has become a
tried and true form of entertainment, both in Mexico and
around the world. Rivalries are what pack their rienas and
drive the headlines. We need them, we love them. The

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rivalries aren't just for fans they're for us wrestlers too.
It gives us a plotline to lean into a way
to define ourselves and build our characters. El Santo is
at El Santo if it wasn't for Blue Demon, Who
would Batman be if there was no Joker? David Leon
is a lifelong gluechlivered enthusiast who runs a business selling
glue action figures. David explains that it's young wrestlers who

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often drive rivalries. They are the ones that need to
build their names, get attention, and win over fans. If
people don't know you very well, your best bet is
to get near folks people do know best case, you
compete and you show the audience that you are better
than the people at the top. You show you're better,
and you show no mercy. Some rivalries are short, just

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a flash in the pan, a few matches and a
storyline that held tons of promises fistles out after a
few chapters. Other rivalries, though, go on for years. The
War and Pieces the Mobby Dicks great stories that go
on for years and years and which people will remember
for generations. Rivalry start for all kinds of reasons. Sometimes

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it's something as simple as a passing insult, or sometimes
you're just around another littlech other, or you don't like
for enough time that the frustration turns into animosity. Other
rivalries start because one wrestler is trying to make a
title run and he knows the challenging the chatchampion will
get him there faster. As David says here, if you

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don't wrestle the great ones, you'll never be a great.
In Rick Flair's words, to be the man, you gotta
beat the man. A good rivalry can become part of
your legacy, a whole section on your Wikipedia page, a
quote on your tombstone. The rivalry between Santo the Man

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in the Silver Mask and Blue Demon ranks as one
of these rivalries one of the most important the history
of the Lucha Libre universe. But one thing that might
surprise you is that they did not actually face each
other that often. It happened a few times, for sure,
but the truth is El Santo try to avoid Blue
Demon as much as he could. Their first match was

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in nineteen fifty three, and he guesses on the winner,
probably the most famous luech other of all time. Santo
right wrong. Blue Demon won, and he did it in
just two falls those Kaidra Zalilo. After the match, breaming

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with confidence, Blue Demon sent a letter to the Boxing
and Wrestling Commission formally challenging Santo to his National Worlterweight
championship belt. El Santo couldn't tuck his way out of this.
There was just no way. Not only would he have
been excoriated by the public, official rules mandated that he
had to take the challenge. The match was scheduled for

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September twenty fifth, nineteen fifty three, in the Arena Colisel.
That night, a whopping ninety five hundred people showed up,
all Robert fans ready to cheer for the men wearing
blue or the men were in silver. The one in blue,
head to toe boots, tights, masks and cap entered the
ring first, Blue Demon. The cheers for Santo were no

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less definite. Santo was dressed in his trademark silver outfit,
but also was wearing his championship belt around his waist
in case anybody had forgotten who the most decorated wrestler
in the room was. Once the bell rang, it immediately
became clear that everyone was going to get their money's worth.

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Blue Demon and Santo went back and forth cat and mouse,
each landing good punches and kicks and each trapping each
other in powerful holes. It was touch and goal like
this for several minutes, but in the end Blue Demon
got the upper hand and won the first fall. Santo
started the second folk knowing it was win or go home.

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Was he going to give up his place at the
top to newcomer Blue Demon after only two matches. He
pulled out all the stops, unleashing his best moves, dominating
Blue Demon. Fall two sand a battle of titans, ladies
and gentlemen. This was as good as it gets, a
tide match with everything on the line. Everyone was on

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the edge on their seats, nerves, tears, cheers, gasps. Their
champion's reputations were at stake. And remember, there's an element
in lucha that's different than say, your favorite basketball team,
your lucca or is yours. The relationship is personal. It's
as if Lebron James was your favorite player, but a

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little bit of Tailor's with mania mixed in. It was
time for the third and final fourth. Neither rest were
backed down. If anything, they found more energy, applying various
holes and breaking free from their opponent's holds. But then
something happened. The fans could tell El Santo, what's starting

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to get tired. The pressure and intensity of the bout
was wearing him down. He had used all his best moves,
but so far it hadn't been enough. Blue Demon picked
up on the change too, and using the momentum, put
El Santo in a halt. He invented himself the Indian steak.
It's a move where all the force goes right to
your opponent's legs. With your own legs, you make a

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little nut and usually there's no chance for escape. Demon
put Santo in the halt, and then everything happened at once.
The crowd erupted, some urged Santo on, others hoping this
was the end of the match. The ref approach got
Santo's attention and asked Santo if he was giving up.

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Santo nodded yes, and with that the ref raised Blue
Demon's hand in the air, officially making him. After that night,
the audience began to understan and that Blue Demon was
going to be one of the greatest of all time.

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He was a new welterweight champion and on a path
to become a new Mexican legend. The match against Santo
also led Demon to make an important change, a change
that would help sustain his rivalry with Santo. He switched
from being at rudo to a technical The actual meaning
of their names didn't matter with this too. Santo was

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universally seen as a villain, whereas Blue Demon was really
some kind of angel. The impacts of defeeding Santo were immense.
Beating Santo was not like just being any other wrestler.
Remember this is the guy famous both in and out
of the ring, the guy with a widely popular comic
book read all over the country. Santo was a true celebrity.

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So who exactly pulled this off? Who was this Lucalo
that brought down the man in the silver mask. Blue
Demon's real name was Alejandro Munos Moreno, and he was
born in Nevoleon on April twenty fourth, nineteen twenty two,

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and grew up in a small village called Rinconada. As
a teenager, Blue Demon left home and went to live
with relatives in Monterey and started working on the railroad,
first laying track, then working as a locomotive assistant. It
was there in the train yards that Alejandro made friends

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with a guy who owned a local gym where Luca
Loodes were training. Alejandro joined and spent three years training
while he worked. Come nineteen forty eight, Alejandro was twenty
six years old and his friend told him he was
ready to wrestle for real, to try his hand at
professional lucha libe, and, like many great coaches before, he

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blessed his pupil with a name. You're going to wrestle
as a rudo, and your name will be Blue Demon.
Here's your mask. The coach hands the young luchado his
mask and his gear. It's an inauguration, a right of passage.
And to make matters even more exciting, Alejandro will be

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wrestling in Laredo, Texas, almost certainly his first trip to America.
Can you imagine Alejandro in that dingy Texas loger room,
done in his blue mask and his blue goods for
the first time. It gives me chills just to think
about it. He looks in the mirror. Goodbye, Alejandro, your

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days as a railway man are long gone. You're someone
new now you are Blue Demon. It would have been
a special and unforgettable day no matter what had happened,
But Blue Demon won the match and returned to Mexico triumphant.
Blue Demon's career weekly good. In nineteen forty eight, lucha

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businessman Chucco Lomeli was scouting up north and after seeing
Ludemon in just one match, signed him on the spot
and got him a match in are Ina, Mexico. Blue
Demon fought well but got disqualified for playing too rough.
Remember that's what us rudos do. We played dirty, but

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if we push the envelope too far, well then we lose.
And even though he lost, Blue Demon made enough of
unimpression that he started gaining a following, so much so
that for years, Blu Demon never went back to Monterey.
By nineteen fifty two, he was at the top of
the wrestling card for Premier EMLL events, sometimes competing alone,

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sometimes with a teammate like Black Shadow. Hussanto tried to
unmask him. The pair made names for themselves as excellent
tag team blue shall Ores, rushing the competition. Fans came
to love them and nicknamed them the Shadow Brothers. Rumors
flew around that they were actually blood brothers. Sadly this

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is just another lucha myth, but regardless, the two were inseparable,
so of course, Blue Demon was there the night Shadow
faced Santo in the Mask versus Mask match, partly to
build his own career and partly to avenge his friend.
Blue Demon beat Santo the following year, thereby winning the
welterweight championship and cementing the rivalry. After Blue Demon topped

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Santo in the ring, he got his own comic. It
was called Blue Demon El Demonios Suri and portrayed him
as a new champion and a new idol like Santo.
Thanks to a crew of writers and artists, Blue Demon
found himself with a rich and original backstory. He got

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new powers in the comic book as well. Like time Travel,
the stories were far fed and wonderful. In one issue,
Blue Demon held the Three Wise Men get to Bethlehem
by defeating an army of Roman soldiers. And so it
went that every few months or years, Santo would face
off against Blue Demon in the ring, but every week

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they fought all the world's evils. It was like Superman
or Captain America. These guys were true superheroes, saving humanity
again and again. The widespread popularity of the comic book
series helped fuel interest in live matches and the sport
became a true national phenomenon, and that trend would only

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continue when the Santo and Blue Demon took their characters
to the big screen. Mexico had developed a rich film
tradition in the thirties, the Golden Age of Mexican cinema.

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Numerous classics came out, many of which focused on the
struggles of the urban and rural court. Eventually, this films
began to get repetitive, though, and the public lost their
appetite for them. Instead, they started watching more TV or
listening to radio program One factor dropping people to TV
was Lucha Libre. Tens of thousands turned in for the matches,

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and as the comics gave birth to new fans, those
numbers went even higher. The Luca crist simultaneously started reviving
Mexican cinema. Cheap and exciting action films starring Luca Lotes
like Santo and Blue Demon started coming out regularly. In fact,
there are so many Luca films that it's really kind
of his own genre. This poppy movies grabbed tropes across

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genre fantasy, horror, comedy, and sports, and were extremely popular.
One of the first Luca films was La Bestia Magnificent
The Magnificent Beast, which came out in nineteen fifty two.
It's about two friends who become luccellores to escape poverty,
but then end up as rivals competing for the same

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love interest. The protagonists in the movie were two real wrestlers.
They both came from Europe but fought in the emll.
One was a guy named Wolf Rubinskis from Latvia, the
other was from Spain, Fernando OSSes. While that film was
being made, Cosecruz, the Santo comic book writer, was working

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on his own movie project. The main character was a
masked Lucello, a vigilante who saved humanity from evil forces.
Cruz and his team offered Santo the road, but he
said no, saying he didn't see himself as an actor.
Another Luccello named El Medico Zacino ended up taking the role.
Whether Mexico's most famous Lucello was on board or not,

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the luchalire business was leaving the station. In nineteen fifty five,
the government banned Lucha Libre on TV, saying it was
too violent food children. Once that happened, people starting going
to the movie theaters in droves. Quanto se Covinza da
eline de lucha dres de lucha lire. That's cat Alerie,

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an expert in cinema. She explains that a whole financing
system for new movies developed to keep up with the demand.
Says on Pelliculesquez Filman in Noon Mess, producers started making
movies almost as fast as the comics. They shot them
in a month, edited them in a week, and then
released them in theaters in nineteen fifty seven. Eight Lucha

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Libre movies came out the very same year. By nineteen
fifty eight, producers were knocking on the Santo's door again.
He was a real star they all wanted, and despite
Santo still insisting he was not an actor, he finally
got roped in. The guy who convinced him was Fernando Sees,
a former Lucca or who was now completely committed to
movie making. He told Santo he had nothing to lose

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by giving it a trial. Worst case, you're getting paid
good money to spend a couple of months in Havana
where the movies were being shot. The two movies were
The Ombres Infernales The Men from Hell and El Serero
Diabolico The Diabolical brain. To Santo's surprise, though not to Fernandos,
each movie was a mega hit and El Santo was

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on his way to becoming a movie star. Fernando kept
pumping out scripts for Santo and also made sure Santo
was coming home with a good money. El Santo was
earning fifteen thousand pezzos per movie from the start, and
within a few years that number jumped to forty thousand.

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Two of Santo's best known movies came out in sixty
one and sixty two, Santo Versus the Zombies and Santo
Versus the Vampire Women. Here's Kat again. Tom Mancirtozelementos the
last pelliculas Hollywood and says yes to Pensando. She describes
how these project borrowed from what Hollywood had made famous.

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For example, in the original Dracula with Bela Lugozi, when
Dracula is about to attack someone, the light is focused
on his eyes. Well, that's exactly what they did with
the Vampire Women. The Lucha movies played around in the
same sci fi worlds Santo Versus the Vampire Women was acclaimed.

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It was played at the San Sebastian Film Festival in Spain,
where critics pressed its surrealist elements. El Santo was not
the only major wrestler building their brand on the big screen.

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Blue Demons started working in the movies too. He started
acting in small parts in nineteen sixty one in the
movies Left Ring and in Ascessinos l. That career was
put in posit though, after a terrible accident in Whaka,
Blue Demon was wrestling and fell out of the ring,
hitting his head against the concrete floor. The doctor who

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looked at him told him to eat only soft foods.
But Demon must have thought that it was overkilled, because
right after the match he in Black Shadow went straight
to a taco stand. It was not overkilled, and no
toorisa doesn't stop concussions. What happened next was very scary.

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After the big meal, he got back to the hotel
and started climbing the stairs, but he got dizzy halfway up.
His head was throbbing. To collect himself, he grabbed hold
of the banister, but it couldn't bear his weight and bam,
it broke and Blue Demon fell all the way back
to the ground floor. All the wrestlers in the heard

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the crash and rushed to see what was going on.
When they entered the hall, they saw Blue Demon sprawled
out on the floor, blood everywhere, and with a large
wound on his head. They took Blue Demon to the
hospital where he underwent emergency surgery. He had fractured his
call and to keep him alive, they had to install

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a metal plate in his head. A year later, the
Boxing and Wrestling Commission told him he could never wrestle again.
This was terrible news. Obviously, Blue Demon had given his
life to this sport, but he also had a family
to support. What was he supposed to do if not wrestle.

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So despite what the Commission had advised, he decided to
start training again, determined to get back in shape enough
to compete. I know the story all too well. When
you're injured, you have to work twice as hard. You
have to be patient. Your body has its own needs
and you have to listen. I've had to come back
from injuries before. It's hard, but it can be done,

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and so that's what Blue Demon set out to do.
Over time, he got his strength and mobility back. To
prove he was fit enough to enter the ring, he
had to pass a series of tests that the doctors
and the Commission gave him. Blue Demon spent more than
two years outside the ring, but when he finally came back,

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he came back with a vengeance. Not only healthy, but
with a new repertoire. And as if to reward his
hard work, Blue Demon had a stroke of good luck.
A film producer came and found him in a locker
room one day and asked if he wanted to start
in a movie, this time not as a side role,

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but as the main character. In fact, the producer told
him that he planned to build a franchise around Blue Demon.
The film would be named after the comic, and Blue
Demon the restler would be the star. Blue Demon didn't
hesitate and they started filming right away. The first movie
was about an evil scientist trying to destroy humanity, but

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who is stopped by the magnificent Blue Demon. The movie
was a hit, and Blue Demon was off to the races.
During the window when Blue Demon was healing, El Santo
had been starring in more and more movies. There was
Santo Versus The Martian Invasion and Santo versus The Villains

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of the Ring. Each movie kept building out the mythology
of El Santo, the great hero who wherever he was
would put on his silver mask and go forth to
protect the world from powerful villains. After the film festival
in Spain that I mentioned earlier, Santo's movies became global phenomenons.
No longer just popular in Latin America. People started watching

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him in countries as diverse as Germany, France, England, Turkey
and Japan. By nineteen sixty six, El Santo was a
star in every sense of the word. It was around
this time that the journeys of Mexico's two red lucalotes,
El Santo and Blue Demon started to intersect again. It

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happened during a movie called Blue Demon Versus the Satanic Power,
in which Blue Demon was the lead. It was a
Blue Demon movie, but then El Santo appears in a
small role. It's just one scene, a cameo, but Santo
tells Blue Demon, congratulations, Blue Demon, like me, you have
chosen the path of justice. You will have to fight

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all nature of evil and much hardship. The weights do
not fail me. Even though the Tuo Luchalots were rivals
in the ring, the audience absolutely loved this scene in
the movie, and it wasn't long before a producer thought
to try and bring them together for real. As co
stars in Santo, Blue Demon put aside any hard feelings

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and went for it. In nineteen sixty nine, they co
starred in Santo and Blue Demon Versus the Monsters, a
movie about a doctor whose army of monsters threatened to
take over the world. The only thing that can stop
them You guessed it, Santo and Blue Demon. The movie
was very successful, and the producers quickly put a similar

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project into motion. This one Santo and Blue Demon in Atlantis.
It's about how the heroes thwart a German physicists plans
for nuclear destruction. Next came The World of the Dad
Said during the Spanish Inquisition. This one appeared different. At first.

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Blue Demon is introduced as a demon, but by the
film's end we find out that he simply was possessed.
Audiences loved seeing their heroes together. Some more movies starring
Blue Demon and El Santo followed, and all the while
Santo was continuing to start in solo projects. A particularly
successful movie around that time was Santo Versus The Mummies

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of Juanajuato. It ran in theaters for nine weeks, selling
out weekend after weekend. Blue Demon, on his end won
a trophy for Best Actor in nineteen seventy one. As
the years passed, the movies evolved reflecting wider cultural trends.

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Take fashion, for example, Santo always kept his mask, but
in later movies were was port jackets and turtlenecks. Lifestyle
portrayals started working their way in Santo, the sweaty and
fierce wrestler started to look more like James Bond than
a professional athlete. He drank cocktails, drove sports cars, and

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even had his own state of the art laboratory. Santo's
economic rise as a car there was also felt by
the man playing him, and it was happening with a
lot of wrestlers. Here's Patricia Sellis an Argentina anthropologist who
specializes in Lucha libre ennessai PoCA los Lucia. She explains

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how during this era Lucadores were living a luxurious life
cars assistance. It was a lot different than life in
their poor neighborhoods, where they could trace the roots. And
as with many things, it was Santo laving the way
his segnor. It came down to social mobility. Patrica explains

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putting on the mask was a way to escape poverty
to leave behind profound challenges. Putting on the mask meant
doing something great, like fighting evil. The poorest Mexicans could
map their dreams onto Santo. Together, El Santo and Blue

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Demon turned wrestling into a cultural phenomenon. Their movies brought
classic monsters like Frankenstein, the Whirlwolf, or Dracula to Mexican screens,
and of course, in local creations like the Aztec Mummy,
the Human Robot, and local folk legends like your own.
The Luceloda's were the good guys fighting the bad guys,

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a tale as old as time. And while the United
States had his own superheroes Superman, Batman and Captain America,
the difference was that in Mexico the heroes were also
real people, flesh and blood. Lucellodes you could go watch
in ad in America. Here's Kat again posting rhetorical questions,
comes posibly cal Santoa. She says, what do you mean

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the heroes on the screen are the same as in
the ring. Well, that's lucha liberty for you. That's the magic.
I had the opportunity as a kid too. I went
to see my favorite lucellod As wrestle, just like the
kids who can come watch Meat Day. If you believe it,
it's real. Santo and Blue Demon made magic in the

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ring as rivals. It was real to anyone watching, and
the superheroes were real too, whether you were reading them
or watching them on the big screen. Santo and Blue
were actually taking down the world's worst villains here in
Mexico on theeedelos Mortos, the Day of the Dead. It's
not just that we are remembering the dead. No, our

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ancestors are real. They're with us here. It's like that
with lucha. There is no pretending. There's more to the
story here about superheroes dominating the big screen. In American comics,
do you remember who came next to Superman and Batman

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wonder Work? Well, similar things were happening in Mexican. Women
were wrestling in the nation's biggest arenas, some of them
becoming total sensations like Lando Via del Santo or Santos Brian.
Her story is coming up next. Lucha Libre Behind the Mask,

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Coronel with help from Fernande Strada, Daniel Padilla and Saul Cortes.

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