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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Magic Insiders with Dante Marketelli and Jake Jeffman.
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Step back over Durance, shot us up, Carro drills it
and the foal change for a three point preat big
time bag came tort headed.
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Back the way, a steal by Franz Fonner to run out.
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The fog and get my do it Fronz Fonner and
the fourth quarter.
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latest on the Orlando match. Over and went down.
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Magic Insiders is presented by International Diamond Center, your local
diamond experts since nineteen eighty one. And now here are
your hosts, Dante Marcitelli and Jake Chapman.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
And welcomever one. It is another episode of Magic Insiders.
Dante Marcitelli, Jake Chapman here on a Funday afternoon.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
You Orlando Magic get a victory yesterday against the Washington Wizards,
and again we're gonna take it for what it's worth.
It is a division victory against the Washington Wizards, who
only have nine wins.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
But it was about as.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Necessary a victory as we've we've had all year. You
had to get this one, and you certainly did by
pulling away in that third quarter. The Magic takedown Washington
won ten to ninety, and they do it behind twenty
three points from Franz Bogner and twenty three points from
Anthony Black who ties a career high through twenty three points,
ties a career high with four made threes, and that
third quarter thirty two to seventeen before they pull away
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from the Washington Wizards. And now the Magic are twenty
nine and thirty, still three games behind the Detroit Pistons
for six. They're trying to get out of that playing scenario,
but they gained a game on the Miami Heat and
the Atlanta Hawks. With twenty three games to go, Jake
Chapman will break down last night's game. We'll preview what
lies ahead for the Ortlanto Magic this week, big week,
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Cleveland Cavaliers, Golden State Warriors coming into the building.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Those are the next two games.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
But you had to get that one last night by
any means necessary.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
And it's interesting to me, you.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Know, talking to Franz last night on the walk off
and talking to Anthony Black post game, I believe you
had Wendell.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Did you have Wendell? Carter talked, yeah, you had Ab
as well on the radio. Brown. They're watching it.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I mean, there is a sense of urgency and they
are all watching the standings and they fully aware what
is uh.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
They are fully aware.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Of what is that stake each and every game. It's
it's pretty fun for them to follow it just like
we are.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
It's funny because at the beginning of the season. I
remember thinking during training camp when everybody was saying, we're
going for a top four seed in the Eastern Conferences.
Here me being from Cleveland and having sort of a
cynical mind about me, I was like, well, what happens
if we fall short of that?
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Is it? You know? Is it a jinx?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Or or do I like the fact that we're saying
that this is what we're gunning for this year and
here we are, and you know.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
I don't think it was a jinx necessarily.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
We've had injury issues that you've had to deal with
in some respects when you consider the fact that we've
had our best three players in the floor for six games,
unless one hundred minutes yea, at this point of the
season twenty nine and thirty, it ain't too bad.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well in your four games off of last year's pace,
your four four games off, which when you think about
this fit and Jamon Moseley said it the other day,
this has been three seasons in one so four games
off of last year's pace doesn't seem like the end
of the world when they've been.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Exactly because you had health last year. Jalen played seventy
five games last year for crying out.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
No, it was you know, an ankle spraying to Franz
and Polo each and that was about it.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
So yeah, like I think you're at this point.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
I think the silver lining of the oblique injuries is
that Franz and Polo are both fresh and they both
seem like they're they're figuring some things out as far
as playing together. Paulo has had to adjust to playing
with this version of Franz Wagner because it's.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
The best version of fran we've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
And there are still some tweaks being made to the
rotation that was the third game last night with with
Wendell in the starting lineup. Eventually, Jaalen's gonna come back
and Cole's gonna slide to the bench. So there are
are still changes happening, and you have to adjust, albeit
good changes, as you get guys back, but you have
to adjust as that happened. So I think we've seen
some slippage, you know, basically since New Years and basically
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since Jalen's been out defensively rebounding. But there's some positive signs.
Cole had a terrible game last night. Heading into last night,
he was shooting forty percent from three over his last
ten games, fifteen points a game, doing a whole bunch
of good stuff. And we know Cole's gonna have some
some rough shooting nights, but it feels like the pieces
are starting to build. We just kind of got to
throw it all together. And obviously getting Jalen back will
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be a big step in the right direction. But if
you can win tomorrow night, like what was what will
that do to the confidence of this team? If you
had lost last night, I know what would have happened.
I honestly think there would have been some real, like
existential questions that we would have had to deal with.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
But you took care of business. They always do.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
It seems against teams sub five hundred, what twenty one
and ten now the record against some five hundred teams
this year.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
It was great last year as well.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
And and Dante, I you know, the guys are looking
I'm looking too. I've been jumping on on here at
strength to schedule right right in the end. The beauty
of the three teams ahead of you, Indiana and the
four seed, Milwaukee the five, and Detroit the six. They
are all on the same division. And these guys are
gonna beat up on each other. Yeah, coming down the
stretch here. The flip side of that is there three
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of the hottest teams in the league right now.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I know ball.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
So we just got a minor business. We've got to
keep trying to stack wins.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
And obviously, anytime you get a Washington, a Charlotte, a
Toronto coming up, teams that are not just sub five hundred,
but way sub five hundred, you got to take care
of business.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
And they did last night.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
And as bad as Washington is, that's a division win,
that's it. That goes as a division win. So now
when you're trying to separate yourself from Miami in Atlanta
and you finish the season series tied with Miami. You're
tied right now with Atlanta at one game apiece, depending
on how those go the rest of the way. You've
still got a Charlotte and you've still got two more Washington's.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
You've got to.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Win, though, and if you can win both Atlanta games,
certainly one of them, if you finish tied, you're gonna
win the division. And that that's why last night becomes
huge and you get help as one of those one
of those teams lose, and now Atlanta plays Miami tonight,
so one of them is gonna take a division loss.
One of them is going to gain a half a
game on you, but one of them is gonna lose
a half a game on you. So you got to
keep the teams behind you, firmly behind you. But at
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some point you've got to chip away. And you look
at it. You know this, this Detroit Pistons team is
three games up on you, but a lot of those
guys haven't been in this position before. Now now it
was I thought it was a stroke of genius, Dad
Dennis Shruder, I thought that was huge. That's a guy
that's playoff battle tested, he's Foeba tested, he's Olympics tested
like this guy knows what he's doing. That guy's gonna
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solidify your second unit, so you might be just fine.
And then at some point you're gonna get Jay and
Ivy back, which is scary at heck for the Detroit Pistons, right,
But you have some veterans, you know, obviously with Tim
Hardaway Junior, and you have Tobias Harris and Malik Beasley
is just on another level. But you have a lot
of young You're Kate Cunningham, your best player hasn't been
in this situation, isn't He hasn't sniffed a playoff push
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since he got to the NBA, and Jaden Ivy hasn't,
Jalen Duran, you know some of these guys, so it
will be new for some of those guys. So you
don't know how their final twenty three to twenty four
games are going to go. And then without Bobby Portis
in Milwaukee, certainly there's an opportunity. The New York Knicks
seemed to be sliding, and you hope Karl Anthony Towns
is okay after that injury last night, and then you
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don't know where it's going, right. Indiana's red hot right now.
But if Orlando can avoid the playing now, you're not
seven or eight. Now, you're not playing Cleveland or Boston
in that first round. If you can figure things out
the final twenty, you're looking at like a New York
or an Indy or in Milwaukee, and I think you're
feeling much better about your playoff chances against one of
those teams.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Stee Milwaukee is obviously the Bobby Fortis News.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
That's a big blow. Twenty five game suspension. They're thirty
two and twenty four, they won four in a row.
I was just looking at their schedule because you.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Know, barely man, they won't be Washington by three.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
They beat Washington by three. They beat Miami by what
seven last night?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Their schedule is through the entire month of March. Is
absolutely insane.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
They go at Houston, home for Denver, at Dallas, at Atlanta,
home for Dallas, home for US, home for Cleveland, at Indiana,
home for Los Angeles, the Lakers versus Indiana, versus Oklahoma,
Wow at Golden State at Los Angeles, out on a
five game road trip that includes Denver, Phoenix, Sacramento.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
Whatever. I mean, They've got some Iron coming up the
next couple of weeks, so I think Milwaukee might be.
And then as far as Takaton goes, the fourth.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Hardest, fourth artist, right, so I.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Think Milwaukee might be kind of right for the pickt
of course, they've gotten probably the you know, the two
best players of any team that we're looking up at,
and certainly the best player.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
But I think Milwaukee.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
There's a chance that Milwaukee takes a little slide and
we'll see Detroit.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
You know, they're in rarefied air here. I saw stat yesterday.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
They're thirty one and twenty six this year. In the
what would it be the two previous seasons before that,
there were thirty one and one hundred and thirty three.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Over the course of the two years before this season.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
So, you know, credit J. B. Bickerstaff. He's done an
awesome job. They've got it, they've got it fixed. But
I don't know if they cant. I mean, they're winning
eight of every ten games right now. That seems like
a lot to run for that group as well, So
we'll see. I think there are some opportunities here. But again,
you and I can talk about all this. The Magic
need to mind their business and focus on the Cleveland
Cavaliers tomorrow night, because again a win tomorrow against Cleveland.
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They're forty seven and ten, like they like, this team
is so and that was a good game last night.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
They won seven in a row. They've won seven consents.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
They aren't just, they're just And the team.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Directly in front of you has won six in a row.
I mean, you're exactly right.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
And I'm reminded the of the of the old stand
man Gunny conversations.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
He always thought it was so stupid when people said,
you think they're peaking too early. That's part of the
conversation of the Cavaliers.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
I mean, they're they're playing every regular season game right
now against postseason game that might come back to bite
them in May, but right now they are a tough
out well and.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
They've got everybody clicking on all cylinders. Last night, it
was tied Jerome, I mean ty Jerome put the team
on his back and beat a very good Memphis. Memphis
was starting to mount the comeback, similar to what they
did against US TI. Jerome and Evan Mobley hits a
big three, they had big shots down the stretch. That's
what they can do. But you're right, a win against
Cleveland would be absolutely huge. They are six games clear
of the Boston Celtics. After they play Orlando, they go
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to Boston, so a couple of big games coming up
for them. But yeah, you're right. Indiana's won three in
a row. The Bucks have won four in a row,
Detroit's won six in row. These are the teams you're chasing. Thankfully,
Chicago's lost six in a row, Atlanta's lost three in
a row. If you can't get out of the play in,
you gotta get seventh. You gotta get seventh, and you
got to beat Miami or Atlanta. That's just that simple.
If you can get out and get to six or
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even five, that's huge. But you're looking at twenty three
games left and you're yeah, you're four and a half
back in the lost column of the Milwaukee Bucks. But
your four and a half games back, you're six games
back in the lost column, and you've already lost the
tie breaker. You cannot win the season series against Milwaukee.
So it's gonna be hard. It's gonna be hard. I
personally think your best bet is gonna be Detroit. But
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that's what makes this fun. And at least we're in
the conversation last year you were fifth. If you if
you finish seventh despite everything that's happened, but you win
and get your way in. That's gonna be tough against
Boston and the playoffs, obviously, but if you can find
a way to get to six, I think anything can happen.
And that's what's gonna make this thing here pretty fun
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Speaker 5 (12:03):
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My call the game, Jacob and I get to stick
my head in the huddle during during any time out
and I've I've watched assistant coach Moe Wagner the entire
season since he's been back out there. Right he's in
that second row. We wears the same outfit that all
the coaches whar. He's plugging on a tablet. He's tapping
on it, and he's charting plays, and and once in
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a while, you know, he'll grab somebody's ear. He's not
He's sat on his hands when the team has had
rough stretches, and he hasn't chewed him out. He hasn't
gotten on anybody. He hasn't He hasn't been demonstrative with
the group. But he'll single guys out throughout the game
and he'll whisper something Anthony Black, and then he'll go
score a bucket. He'll tell something to go goobatase, and
then he'll block a shot like it seems like he's
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the way what he's seeing. He's able to give these
guys pieces of information and then they turn around and
they were able to do something with it. Last night
was all he could take at the start of the
in that second quarter is about all all alls I
can stand. I can't stand no more. And he couldn't
sit on his hands, and he he and he said
what you always say on the radio broadcast. He goes,
somebody's got to bring some juice. We need some juice
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out there.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
And he brought.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
He yelled that to the team, he said, we need
some wife. We've got to hit first. We've got to
be the aggressor, like he challenged him. It actually was
the start of that third quarter. He just wasn't liking
what he was saying with the effort in the energy level,
and he basically was challenged, challenging them to do all
of the things that Moe does right, bring the juice.
And you mentioned that on on the radio broadcast, almost
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on a nightly basis, So I thought that. I thought
that was great. I thought that was you know, if
he's going to be there watching. I talked to Franz
Wagner and I asked him, I said, what is Moe's role?
Speaker 5 (14:20):
And he goes, I don't know. He tries to tell
me what he's doing back there.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I still have no idea. It's unclear at this point.
But so if he doesn't know, then nobody knows. So
we don't know what his official title is. But isn't
it great to have him out there engaged in challenging
the team.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Absolutely, I mean, and with the catchead to back it
up right, like it's one exactly, it's one thing if
somebody's trying to fire you up. Who didn't bring that
night in the night out? And yeah, there's a reason
we talk so much about him bringing the juice. And look,
you know, it feels like now three or four times
this year we've talked about Jalen playing coach on the
bench or a pollo coach.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
Right, we had some many injuries that we've had to
deal with.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
But I do think especially when there's the finality of
your season is over.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
Unfortunately because of the severity of the injury for Mo.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
You can kind of dive into that it's not just
biding your time before you get back out on the floor.
Next time Mo Wagner is on the floor with our guys,
you know, God willing, it will be at the beginning
of next season. Yes, so and so he he's got
to figure out something to do with his time. And
so I do think that, you know, he's got a
great basketball brain, both those guys do. I think he
can be very beneficial as far as what he's seeing
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and and and the way that he plays the game
and the x's and o's.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
But then obviously, like who better.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
To be a glorified cheerleader and get everybody fired up
than Mo Wagner because as we know, night in and
night out, nobody's Nobody's fire burns harder than Wogner's.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Well, and we got to get Jalen Suggs back on
the floor as well. Last night that's the twenty second
game he's missed in the last twenty three, so hopefully
that is coming at some point during this home stand.
We've got to find a way to get that guy
back out on the floor. He's just as Mo Wagner
was the heart and soul of that second unit and
the heart and soul of this team in many ways,
so is the same for Jalen Suggs. And we've got
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to get them back out there, and hopefully that's coming.
In the meantime, Cole Anthony you mentioned, is doing yeoman's
work here holding the four down. I thought it was
interesting last night, you know, Pao ban Caro five assists
five of twelve, whereas the night before he was five
for twenty one. Thought that we've seen a lot of
times from Palo ban Caero where he was forcing it,
and I thought last night they doubled him, they were
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gonna make and Polo had a decision to make. I
can keep forcing the basketball where I can play with
what the defense has given me. And we are so
good when Polo moves a bit, when everybody moves to basketball.
And I thought Paulo led the charge last night with
five assists, he is tied for the most in the game.
Franz also had five, but he was determined to get
other guys involved.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Now, guys made shots.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
A lot of times, He'll make those passes and some
of those threes hit the shot clock. It's not always
productive when he passes out of those double teams.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
But it was last night. This magic team knocked down
eleven threes. Jake.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
It felt like a three point barrage, and we hit eleven.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
It felt like the five of them were in that
third quarter by five different players. It just felt like
a three point party and you hit eleven. Couldn't imagine
what fourteen or fifteen feels. I get one more than
the Wizards. But the way Polo looked at that game
last night, the things that we did to get him
open coming off screen so we didn't have to handle
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the basketball the entire game put him in spots where
he could get to the free throw line if he
wasn't able to finish. I think I think last night
was a great example of what we need from Polow.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Yeah, and and credit coach Mosy because he has made
a lot of adjustments over the course of the last
couple of weeks to try to get those guys comfortable
and in the spots that they're looking for. Look, you
don't want Paulo setting screens, you know, all night for
eighty two games, right, it's gonna sat him up.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
But between he.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
And Franz and you know, it was interesting because we
had Brandon Bass in the broadcast last night and it's
just a second game.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Brandon's done, and.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
So he's kind of still learning some of our guys
games a little bit, but he's watching paul and Franz
and he just kept commenting on the chemistry between the
two of them and how it doesn't feel like either
one of them is it's you know, it's my team,
or they're playing the year Turn, My turn type game
on the floor. They played together with chemistry, and some
of it is when they're running roll stuff with each other,
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but they're both very willing to give the ball up
and to try to set each other up, and that's
not always the case when you have to you know,
a a level players on the same team like we do,
especially two young ones who are still sort of you know,
coming into their own.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
So I think coach Mosey.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Has done a great job is sort of getting Polow
involved the free throws. Celest three games, Dante, I mean,
it leaps off the page at you. He shot nine
free throws last night, made eight eight of nine last night,
ten of thirteen in the Memphis game, and then eleven
of sixteen in the Atlanta game. So and that was
after some pretty concerning games in a row where you know,
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four and five free throw attempts a game. He can
shoot ten free throws at night. I mean, he is
that talented, that's strong in that athletics. So not only
is he getting there, he's knocking them down, and those
percentages are creeping up as well.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
These are all.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Little things, but when you put them all together, you know,
turnovers down, shooting percentages coming up, and just the adjustment
of he and Franz learning not just to play with
each other but to accentuate each other.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
Those are all those little positive things that we've seen
the last couple.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Of nights well, and everything we've talked about for now
nineteen minutes is burying the lead of how good Franz
Wagner is. Right, I mean, he's unbelievable. So as Paulo's
continuing to find his way and get back and navigate
double teams, Franz is saying, just give me the basketball.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
I'm rolling. I'm absolutely rolling.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Right now, he goes for twenty three last night, he
was eleven of twenty two. Twenty of his twenty three
were in the paint, twenty of his twenty three.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
That's what this team needs. And you look at this team.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
I think they had ten three point attempts at the
half last night, Right they were two for ten or
three for ten.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
But they weren't.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
They weren't compounding the misses with more misses, right they were.
I think right around thirty two is where they should be.
Eleven for thirty, eleven for thirty.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Two is fine.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
That's what this team should be shooting, in my opinion,
from thirty. But Franz just continue. When the whole world
knows he's trying to get to the basket, he's still
able to get to the basket, and right that absolutely
blows my mind.
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Step back over Durance, shot us up, Carro drills it
and the foal change for a three point preat big
time bag came tort headed.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Back the way, a steal by Franz Fonner to run out.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
The fog and get my do it Fronz Fonner and
the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
And Michael, this is your daily destination for all the
latest on the Orlando match. Over and went down.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
Now back to Kalon.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
He's gonna try another three, take out another one forty
seconds man Carol Jumper.
Speaker 6 (00:35):
Whoo.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Magic Insiders is presented by International Diamond Center, your local
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your hosts, Dante Marcitelli and Jake Chapman.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
And welcomever one. It is another episode of Magic Insiders.
Dante Marcitelli, Jake Chapman here on a Funday afternoon.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
You Orlando Magic get a victory yesterday against the Washington Wizards,
and again we're gonna take it for what it's worth.
It is a division victory against the Washington Wizards, who
only have nine wins.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
But it was about as.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Necessary a victory as we've we've had all year. You
had to get this one, and you certainly did by
pulling away in that third quarter. The Magic takedown Washington
won ten to ninety, and they do it behind twenty
three points from Franz Bogner and twenty three points from
Anthony Black who ties a career high through twenty three points,
ties a career high with four made threes, and that
third quarter thirty two to seventeen before they pull away
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from the Washington Wizards. And now the Magic are twenty
nine and thirty, still three games behind the Detroit Pistons
for six. They're trying to get out of that playing scenario,
but they gained a game on the Miami Heat and
the Atlanta Hawks. With twenty three games to go, Jake
Chapman will break down last night's game. We'll preview what
lies ahead for the Ortlanto Magic this week, big week,
(01:52):
Cleveland Cavaliers, Golden State Warriors coming into the building.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Those are the next two games.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
But you had to get that one last night by
any means necessary.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
And it's interesting to me, you.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Know, talking to Franz last night on the walk off
and talking to Anthony Black post game, I believe you
had Wendell.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Did you have Wendell? Carter talked, yeah, you had Ab
as well on the radio. Brown. They're watching it.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I mean, there is a sense of urgency and they
are all watching the standings and they fully aware what
is uh.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
They are fully aware.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Of what is that stake each and every game. It's
it's pretty fun for them to follow it just like
we are.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
It's funny because at the beginning of the season. I
remember thinking during training camp when everybody was saying, we're
going for a top four seed in the Eastern Conferences.
Here me being from Cleveland and having sort of a
cynical mind about me, I was like, well, what happens
if we fall short of that?
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Is it? You know? Is it a jinx?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Or or do I like the fact that we're saying
that this is what we're gunning for this year and
here we are, and you know.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
I don't think it was a jinx necessarily.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
We've had injury issues that you've had to deal with
in some respects when you consider the fact that we've
had our best three players in the floor for six games,
unless one hundred minutes yea, at this point of the
season twenty nine and thirty, it ain't too bad.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well in your four games off of last year's pace,
your four four games off, which when you think about
this fit and Jamon Moseley said it the other day,
this has been three seasons in one so four games
off of last year's pace doesn't seem like the end
of the world when they've been.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Exactly because you had health last year. Jalen played seventy
five games last year for crying out.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
No, it was you know, an ankle spraying to Franz
and Polo each and that was about it.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
So yeah, like I think you're at this point.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
I think the silver lining of the oblique injuries is
that Franz and Polo are both fresh and they both
seem like they're they're figuring some things out as far
as playing together. Paulo has had to adjust to playing
with this version of Franz Wagner because it's.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
The best version of fran we've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
And there are still some tweaks being made to the
rotation that was the third game last night with with
Wendell in the starting lineup. Eventually, Jaalen's gonna come back
and Cole's gonna slide to the bench. So there are
are still changes happening, and you have to adjust, albeit
good changes, as you get guys back, but you have
to adjust as that happened. So I think we've seen
some slippage, you know, basically since New Years and basically
(04:12):
since Jalen's been out defensively rebounding. But there's some positive signs.
Cole had a terrible game last night. Heading into last night,
he was shooting forty percent from three over his last
ten games, fifteen points a game, doing a whole bunch
of good stuff. And we know Cole's gonna have some
some rough shooting nights, but it feels like the pieces
are starting to build. We just kind of got to
throw it all together. And obviously getting Jalen back will
(04:35):
be a big step in the right direction. But if
you can win tomorrow night, like what was what will
that do to the confidence of this team? If you
had lost last night, I know what would have happened.
I honestly think there would have been some real, like
existential questions that we would have had to deal with.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
But you took care of business. They always do.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
It seems against teams sub five hundred, what twenty one
and ten now the record against some five hundred teams
this year.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
It was great last year as well.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
And and Dante, I you know, the guys are looking
I'm looking too. I've been jumping on on here at
strength to schedule right right in the end. The beauty
of the three teams ahead of you, Indiana and the
four seed, Milwaukee the five, and Detroit the six. They
are all on the same division. And these guys are
gonna beat up on each other. Yeah, coming down the
stretch here. The flip side of that is there three
(05:23):
of the hottest teams in the league right now.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I know ball.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
So we just got a minor business. We've got to
keep trying to stack wins.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
And obviously, anytime you get a Washington, a Charlotte, a
Toronto coming up, teams that are not just sub five hundred,
but way sub five hundred, you got to take care
of business.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
And they did last night.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
And as bad as Washington is, that's a division win,
that's it. That goes as a division win. So now
when you're trying to separate yourself from Miami in Atlanta
and you finish the season series tied with Miami. You're
tied right now with Atlanta at one game apiece, depending
on how those go the rest of the way. You've
still got a Charlotte and you've still got two more Washington's.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
You've got to.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Win, though, and if you can win both Atlanta games,
certainly one of them, if you finish tied, you're gonna
win the division. And that that's why last night becomes
huge and you get help as one of those one
of those teams lose, and now Atlanta plays Miami tonight,
so one of them is gonna take a division loss.
One of them is going to gain a half a
game on you, but one of them is gonna lose
a half a game on you. So you got to
keep the teams behind you, firmly behind you. But at
(06:22):
some point you've got to chip away. And you look
at it. You know this, this Detroit Pistons team is
three games up on you, but a lot of those
guys haven't been in this position before. Now now it
was I thought it was a stroke of genius, Dad
Dennis Shruder, I thought that was huge. That's a guy
that's playoff battle tested, he's Foeba tested, he's Olympics tested
like this guy knows what he's doing. That guy's gonna
(06:43):
solidify your second unit, so you might be just fine.
And then at some point you're gonna get Jay and
Ivy back, which is scary at heck for the Detroit Pistons, right,
But you have some veterans, you know, obviously with Tim
Hardaway Junior, and you have Tobias Harris and Malik Beasley
is just on another level. But you have a lot
of young You're Kate Cunningham, your best player hasn't been
in this situation, isn't He hasn't sniffed a playoff push
(07:06):
since he got to the NBA, and Jaden Ivy hasn't,
Jalen Duran, you know some of these guys, so it
will be new for some of those guys. So you
don't know how their final twenty three to twenty four
games are going to go. And then without Bobby Portis
in Milwaukee, certainly there's an opportunity. The New York Knicks
seemed to be sliding, and you hope Karl Anthony Towns
is okay after that injury last night, and then you
(07:27):
don't know where it's going, right. Indiana's red hot right now.
But if Orlando can avoid the playing now, you're not
seven or eight. Now, you're not playing Cleveland or Boston
in that first round. If you can figure things out
the final twenty, you're looking at like a New York
or an Indy or in Milwaukee, and I think you're
feeling much better about your playoff chances against one of
those teams.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Stee Milwaukee is obviously the Bobby Fortis News.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
That's a big blow. Twenty five game suspension. They're thirty
two and twenty four, they won four in a row.
I was just looking at their schedule because you.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Know, barely man, they won't be Washington by three.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
They beat Washington by three. They beat Miami by what
seven last night?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Their schedule is through the entire month of March. Is
absolutely insane.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
They go at Houston, home for Denver, at Dallas, at Atlanta,
home for Dallas, home for US, home for Cleveland, at Indiana,
home for Los Angeles, the Lakers versus Indiana, versus Oklahoma,
Wow at Golden State at Los Angeles, out on a
five game road trip that includes Denver, Phoenix, Sacramento.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
Whatever. I mean, They've got some Iron coming up the
next couple of weeks, so I think Milwaukee might be.
And then as far as Takaton goes, the fourth.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Hardest, fourth artist, right, so I.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Think Milwaukee might be kind of right for the pickt
of course, they've gotten probably the you know, the two
best players of any team that we're looking up at,
and certainly the best player.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
But I think Milwaukee.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
There's a chance that Milwaukee takes a little slide and
we'll see Detroit.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
You know, they're in rarefied air here. I saw stat yesterday.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
They're thirty one and twenty six this year. In the
what would it be the two previous seasons before that,
there were thirty one and one hundred and thirty three.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Over the course of the two years before this season.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
So, you know, credit J. B. Bickerstaff. He's done an
awesome job. They've got it, they've got it fixed. But
I don't know if they cant. I mean, they're winning
eight of every ten games right now. That seems like
a lot to run for that group as well, So
we'll see. I think there are some opportunities here. But again,
you and I can talk about all this. The Magic
need to mind their business and focus on the Cleveland
Cavaliers tomorrow night, because again a win tomorrow against Cleveland.
(09:31):
They're forty seven and ten, like they like, this team
is so and that was a good game last night.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
They won seven in a row. They've won seven consents.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
They aren't just, they're just And the team.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Directly in front of you has won six in a row.
I mean, you're exactly right.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
And I'm reminded the of the of the old stand
man Gunny conversations.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
He always thought it was so stupid when people said,
you think they're peaking too early. That's part of the
conversation of the Cavaliers.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
I mean, they're they're playing every regular season game right
now against postseason game that might come back to bite
them in May, but right now they are a tough
out well and.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
They've got everybody clicking on all cylinders. Last night, it
was tied Jerome, I mean ty Jerome put the team
on his back and beat a very good Memphis. Memphis
was starting to mount the comeback, similar to what they
did against US TI. Jerome and Evan Mobley hits a
big three, they had big shots down the stretch. That's
what they can do. But you're right, a win against
Cleveland would be absolutely huge. They are six games clear
of the Boston Celtics. After they play Orlando, they go
(10:26):
to Boston, so a couple of big games coming up
for them. But yeah, you're right. Indiana's won three in
a row. The Bucks have won four in a row,
Detroit's won six in row. These are the teams you're chasing. Thankfully,
Chicago's lost six in a row, Atlanta's lost three in
a row. If you can't get out of the play in,
you gotta get seventh. You gotta get seventh, and you
got to beat Miami or Atlanta. That's just that simple.
If you can get out and get to six or
(10:47):
even five, that's huge. But you're looking at twenty three
games left and you're yeah, you're four and a half
back in the lost column of the Milwaukee Bucks. But
your four and a half games back, you're six games
back in the lost column, and you've already lost the
tie breaker. You cannot win the season series against Milwaukee.
So it's gonna be hard. It's gonna be hard. I
personally think your best bet is gonna be Detroit. But
(11:09):
that's what makes this fun. And at least we're in
the conversation last year you were fifth. If you if
you finish seventh despite everything that's happened, but you win
and get your way in. That's gonna be tough against
Boston and the playoffs, obviously, but if you can find
a way to get to six, I think anything can happen.
And that's what's gonna make this thing here pretty fun
down the stretch. See the Atlanta Magic Defender home court
against the Golden State Warriors coming up on Thursday at
(11:32):
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and what lies ahead the Cleveland Cavaliers when we return
here to Magic Insiders in a moment.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
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Speaker 3 (12:00):
And welcome back every one of his Magic Insiders Dante, Marcintelly.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Jake Chapman here with you.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
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My call the game, Jacob and I get to stick
my head in the huddle during during any time out
and I've I've watched assistant coach Moe Wagner the entire
season since he's been back out there. Right he's in
that second row. We wears the same outfit that all
the coaches whar. He's plugging on a tablet. He's tapping
on it, and he's charting plays, and and once in
(13:05):
a while, you know, he'll grab somebody's ear. He's not
He's sat on his hands when the team has had
rough stretches, and he hasn't chewed him out. He hasn't
gotten on anybody. He hasn't He hasn't been demonstrative with
the group. But he'll single guys out throughout the game
and he'll whisper something Anthony Black, and then he'll go
score a bucket. He'll tell something to go goobatase, and
then he'll block a shot like it seems like he's
(13:26):
the way what he's seeing. He's able to give these
guys pieces of information and then they turn around and
they were able to do something with it. Last night
was all he could take at the start of the
in that second quarter is about all all alls I
can stand. I can't stand no more. And he couldn't
sit on his hands, and he he and he said
what you always say on the radio broadcast. He goes,
somebody's got to bring some juice. We need some juice
(13:49):
out there.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
And he brought.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
He yelled that to the team, he said, we need
some wife. We've got to hit first. We've got to
be the aggressor, like he challenged him. It actually was
the start of that third quarter. He just wasn't liking
what he was saying with the effort in the energy level,
and he basically was challenged, challenging them to do all
of the things that Moe does right, bring the juice.
And you mentioned that on on the radio broadcast, almost
(14:11):
on a nightly basis, So I thought that. I thought
that was great. I thought that was you know, if
he's going to be there watching. I talked to Franz
Wagner and I asked him, I said, what is Moe's role?
Speaker 5 (14:20):
And he goes, I don't know. He tries to tell
me what he's doing back there.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I still have no idea. It's unclear at this point.
But so if he doesn't know, then nobody knows. So
we don't know what his official title is. But isn't
it great to have him out there engaged in challenging
the team.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Absolutely, I mean, and with the catchead to back it
up right, like it's one exactly, it's one thing if
somebody's trying to fire you up. Who didn't bring that
night in the night out? And yeah, there's a reason
we talk so much about him bringing the juice. And look,
you know, it feels like now three or four times
this year we've talked about Jalen playing coach on the
bench or a pollo coach.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
Right, we had some many injuries that we've had to
deal with.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
But I do think especially when there's the finality of
your season is over.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
Unfortunately because of the severity of the injury for Mo.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
You can kind of dive into that it's not just
biding your time before you get back out on the floor.
Next time Mo Wagner is on the floor with our guys,
you know, God willing, it will be at the beginning
of next season. Yes, so and so he he's got
to figure out something to do with his time. And
so I do think that, you know, he's got a
great basketball brain, both those guys do. I think he
can be very beneficial as far as what he's seeing
(15:29):
and and and the way that he plays the game
and the x's and o's.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
But then obviously, like who better.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
To be a glorified cheerleader and get everybody fired up
than Mo Wagner because as we know, night in and
night out, nobody's Nobody's fire burns harder than Wogner's.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Well, and we got to get Jalen Suggs back on
the floor as well. Last night that's the twenty second
game he's missed in the last twenty three, so hopefully
that is coming at some point during this home stand.
We've got to find a way to get that guy
back out on the floor. He's just as Mo Wagner
was the heart and soul of that second unit and
the heart and soul of this team in many ways,
so is the same for Jalen Suggs. And we've got
(16:07):
to get them back out there, and hopefully that's coming.
In the meantime, Cole Anthony you mentioned, is doing yeoman's
work here holding the four down. I thought it was
interesting last night, you know, Pao ban Caro five assists
five of twelve, whereas the night before he was five
for twenty one. Thought that we've seen a lot of
times from Palo ban Caero where he was forcing it,
and I thought last night they doubled him, they were
(16:28):
gonna make and Polo had a decision to make. I
can keep forcing the basketball where I can play with
what the defense has given me. And we are so
good when Polo moves a bit, when everybody moves to basketball.
And I thought Paulo led the charge last night with
five assists, he is tied for the most in the game.
Franz also had five, but he was determined to get
other guys involved.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Now, guys made shots.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
A lot of times, He'll make those passes and some
of those threes hit the shot clock. It's not always
productive when he passes out of those double teams.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
But it was last night. This magic team knocked down
eleven threes. Jake.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
It felt like a three point barrage, and we hit eleven.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
It felt like the five of them were in that
third quarter by five different players. It just felt like
a three point party and you hit eleven. Couldn't imagine
what fourteen or fifteen feels. I get one more than
the Wizards. But the way Polo looked at that game
last night, the things that we did to get him
open coming off screen so we didn't have to handle
(17:28):
the basketball the entire game put him in spots where
he could get to the free throw line if he
wasn't able to finish. I think I think last night
was a great example of what we need from Polow.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Yeah, and and credit coach Mosy because he has made
a lot of adjustments over the course of the last
couple of weeks to try to get those guys comfortable
and in the spots that they're looking for. Look, you
don't want Paulo setting screens, you know, all night for
eighty two games, right, it's gonna sat him up.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
But between he.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
And Franz and you know, it was interesting because we
had Brandon Bass in the broadcast last night and it's
just a second game.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Brandon's done, and.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
So he's kind of still learning some of our guys
games a little bit, but he's watching paul and Franz
and he just kept commenting on the chemistry between the
two of them and how it doesn't feel like either
one of them is it's you know, it's my team,
or they're playing the year Turn, My turn type game
on the floor. They played together with chemistry, and some
of it is when they're running roll stuff with each other,
(18:20):
but they're both very willing to give the ball up
and to try to set each other up, and that's
not always the case when you have to you know,
a a level players on the same team like we do,
especially two young ones who are still sort of you know,
coming into their own.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
So I think coach Mosey.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Has done a great job is sort of getting Polow
involved the free throws. Celest three games, Dante, I mean,
it leaps off the page at you. He shot nine
free throws last night, made eight eight of nine last night,
ten of thirteen in the Memphis game, and then eleven
of sixteen in the Atlanta game. So and that was
after some pretty concerning games in a row where you know,
(18:57):
four and five free throw attempts a game. He can
shoot ten free throws at night. I mean, he is
that talented, that's strong in that athletics. So not only
is he getting there, he's knocking them down, and those
percentages are creeping up as well.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
These are all.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Little things, but when you put them all together, you know,
turnovers down, shooting percentages coming up, and just the adjustment
of he and Franz learning not just to play with
each other but to accentuate each other.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
Those are all those little positive things that we've seen
the last couple.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Of nights well, and everything we've talked about for now
nineteen minutes is burying the lead of how good Franz
Wagner is. Right, I mean, he's unbelievable. So as Paulo's
continuing to find his way and get back and navigate
double teams, Franz is saying, just give me the basketball.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
I'm rolling. I'm absolutely rolling.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Right now, he goes for twenty three last night, he
was eleven of twenty two. Twenty of his twenty three
were in the paint, twenty of his twenty three.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
That's what this team needs. And you look at this team.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
I think they had ten three point attempts at the
half last night, Right they were two for ten or
three for ten.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
But they weren't.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
They weren't compounding the misses with more misses, right they were.
I think right around thirty two is where they should be.
Eleven for thirty, eleven for thirty.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Two is fine.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
That's what this team should be shooting, in my opinion,
from thirty. But Franz just continue. When the whole world
knows he's trying to get to the basket, he's still
able to get to the basket, and right that absolutely
blows my mind.
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.