April 28, 2025 • 21 mins
Dante and Jake recap the Magic's Game 4 loss to the Celtics last night.
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Step back over, Durrance shot us up, Carro drills it
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Back the way, a steal by Franz Fondner to run out.
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A tough one last night. You're land them at fall
to the Boston Celtics in Game four. One oh seven
to ninety eight is the final. You get thirty seven
points from Jason Tatum. You get twenty one points from
Jalen Brown. You get nineteen points from Christaps Porzingis, who
was a big story in that one. Derek White goes
for eighteen, and the Magic, of course, led by Polo
Bancero with thirty one points. You get twenty four from
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Franz Wagner and the Orlando Magic now trail three games
to one. The series ships back to Boston and Game
five comes your way on Tuesday at TD Garden. We'll
have it for you at eight o'clock late start, eight
o'clock right here on ninety six to nine the game
and eight o'clock on FanDuel Sports Network. Jake, this was
a tie basketball game ninety one ninety one, with about
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four minutes left, a big time out by Joe Mizzula
as the Magic rattled off a five to zero run,
a huge three by Contavious Caldwell Pope, a huge putback
by Wendell Carter Junior. It felt like that building was
ready to detonate if you could have just got one
stop and an unbelievable call out of the time out
by Joe Mizzoula. And it was masterful that entire game,
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as was coach mostly It was a terrific baddle back
and forth. But Joe Mizzoula's message was, let's make sure
chrisps Porzingis is involved in this basketball game. They got
him going early. They went right to him out of
that timeout. It was a big and one and they
never looked back after that. The final was one oh
seven to ninety eight. So in the final four minutes,
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the Celtics outscore the Magic sixteen to seven and they
were able to hold on Jake unbelievable basketball game, but heartbreaker,
heartbreaker to not be able to pull that out and
fantastic play call to get rips Porzingis that basket and
then Jason Tatum closed it from there.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, in da I thought Joe Mizula did a really
good job. If we go back, you know, we haven't
done it show since Friday. The Magic won ninety five
ninety three on Friday Night. It was obviously worked their
way back into the series. It was needed and it
was electric in that building on Friday night as well.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Porzingis in that game.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I thought was out that Porzingis that Jamo Mosley and
the Magic and you and I have been asking for
the Magic attacked him on one end and then got
him involved in sort of the ways he doesn't want
to be involved at the other end, fade away long twos.
He was three of ten that night and he was
minus sixteen last night. You said, credit Joe Miszoula. I
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thought he did it all night. He got Porzingis the
ball in his spots, and of course his teammates as well.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
But he was slipping screens. He was the Magic were aggressive.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
They took an Adam and got him in foul trouble,
but he defended well and held up. He was on
the fourth roll in twenty two minutes because of that
foul trouble. Last night, d nineteen points and he was
a plus eight. Well, he was on the four, so
he was involved in the offense certainly was out of
that time out. And then Jason Tatum was He just carried.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Them all night long. I mean, the guy is he
is absolutely masterful. He's a complainer.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I could show you the text or I could read
the text that my mom sent me during the game
about Jason Tatum, but we would just run off the air.
But the dude is, he's one of the best what
five players in the world for a reason. His rebounding
has been a huge swing in this series. At fourteen
more rebounds last night, but he had three I says
three steals was perfect. Fourteen to fourteen at the free
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throw line, indeed, to me, that was the big difference,
Like all night long, we were splitting pairs every time
we went to the free throw line, and they were
knocking both.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Down every time we went to the free throw line.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Yes, the game where.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
The margin of error is that slim, and they were
thirty of thirty two, which ends up a little bit
inflated because we were following at the end of the
game trying to work our way back into it. But
we were fourteen to twenty and you just can't leave
You can't shoot seventy percent of the free throw line,
and not to mention going into that game, I think
it was like sixty eight percent. We were fifteenth in
the playoffs in free throw percent and so it's been
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a problem the whole series. You just can't leave points
on the board against the team as talented as Boston,
and that's what the Magic did last night.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
I think there's still a little bit of concern as
far as the balance. Offensively, it's like fans or nothing.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
And you did get twelve from Kojo last night, best
game he's played in the series. Kenny knocked down a
couple of shots, he got ten more off the bench
from Maybe, but nothing else from anybody else.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
And Paul and Franz took fifty four shots last night.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I'm just not sure if that sort of balance offensively
is sustainable, especially against a team like that. With all
of that said, it felt like we were overmatched or
at the very least with the injuries that we've dealt
with this year. On paper, going into this series, it
was going to be a long shot, and man, we
have been there in every single game. It was a
four minute basketball game essentially last night, right it was
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at four to fifteen, I think, and as you mentioned,
Boston showed their championship pedigree coming out of that timeout,
and the Magic were sort of fell victim to it.
It was a huge offensive rebound for Perzingis and and one,
and then it was just kind of Boston doing their
thing the rest of the way. I'm really proud of
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the effort this team has given over the course of
the entire series, certainly this weekend. There's a pretty special atmosphere,
but we saw on Friday you had to play a
basically a perfect game to beat him by two, and
then last night you had them sort of right where
you wanted them, because I think the Magic's main hope
for this series has been just get to to crunch time,
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get to the final five minutes within five points and
trying to pull it out.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
And last night Boston was better down the stretch.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Well, I think there's a lot. Yeah, the free throws
have been a problem. They've been a problem the entire year.
They got a little bit better the last couple of
weeks of the season, but you left nine points on
the line and actually won a basketball game the other day,
and that certainly has been a problem. The balance in
field goal attempts, obviously, that's something that is not sustainable
moving forward. I don't know what it'll look like here
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at tomorrow, but moving forward next year into the rest
of the you know, into next season, there has to
be more balance. You had eighty eight field goal attempts,
and you're right, fifty four came from Paolo and Franz
and listen, follow didn't have a great shooting night. He
was twelve for thirty two. To get to those thirty
one points. Now six times in his NBA career he's
gone for thirty points in a playoff game, six out
of eleven, which is absolutely remarkable. So you've been able
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to run and the guy was due. You could absolutely
live with follow having an off night because it comes
from the place of I got to win us the
basketball game. Jayson Tatum's gonna win the basketball game for Boston.
I got to win it for us. So there was
that feeling. But I think what you said is important, Jake,
because that's how I left that game is we competed
our tails off. We gave absolutely everything we had. I'm
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watching us against the defending champs, and it's Gary Harris,
Jonathan Isaac, Caleb Houston, Corey Joseph. I mean, guys that
you never envisioned would even be in this role when
the season started. There were guys on on the floor
playing huge minutes in French time that were not even
a part of the rotation when the year began. And
yet here we are with the defending champs on the
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ropes in our building here in Game four. It was unbelievable.
It was a sight to behold. I was incredibly proud
that they fought so hard, but boy, it was a glaring,
glaring reminder that they have a ton of firepower. They
are the defending champs for a reason. We do not
have the firepower. We do not have the support for
Polo and Franz that Boston has for Tatum and Brown,
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and we know that they're just on another level. A
lot of work to be done this summer to improve
the roster and to get to a better position. But
through all that and everything that they've overcome, just an
unbelievable effort and we just were outdone by a team
that has been there. You can't rattle the Celtics. They
are battle tested, They've been through the fire. They know
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what it takes to win games on the road in
the clutch, and sometimes you tip your hat. They just
have they you know, I don't want to say they
have by far the better team, but you know, it
would be a colossal undertaking to upset the Boston Celtics.
They have a better roster on paper, no question about it,
and they have more firepower and they made it happen
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last night on the road.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, they have a team that's been together for a
long time or at the very least the guts of
the team have been and so I think that you know,
that really shows up in the final four minutes of
a game when you're trying not to file three point shooters.
It's funny, though. The most boneheaded mistake in the final
four minutes was from the Venerator's probably gonna be an
All ser Hall of Famer. Eventually Al Horford with that,
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what did you.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Do step on the line while we were trying to
stead on the line a delay a game? It was
huge and then he couldn't believe it. Then he or
you talk about a winer and somebody that argues the
whole time, My goodness, Al Horford, But you know what,
isn't it funny? How that isn't it funny? How the
Celtics have realized and this is a problem that has
to be addressed. But the Celtics have realized if they
make a stink or if they roll around on the ground,
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that they'll get they'll force a replay. They'll force a review.
And Al Horford came in. It was an absolute nothing
played by Wendell Carter Junior. First of all, to me
credit Mark Davis and that crew last night. I really
thought they did a good job. I'm not gonna lie
to you. I thought they did a great job. They
completely missed the elbow from Jalen Brown and a Corey Joseph,
and they missed it because Corey Joseph is trying to
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make a play. Yeah, I took a shot to the mouth,
but I'm old school and I grew up where you
don't bake and roll around and you don't show weakness.
You fight through it. And that cost us a flagrant right.
Had he had he dropped to the ground and rived
around in pain like you know, like like Brown and
Tatum do, then they would have had to review it.
But he's trying to make a play, and I love
that about him, and Boston is just you know, they
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found ways to cheat the system at times, but overall,
they they made the shots they had.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
To me, no, I agreed that.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I think the official I think the Fish has done
a pretty good job the whole series, and I can't
say that for everybody else.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
It was atrocious Game three. Game three was absolutely embarrassing.
In my opinion. Game three was absolutely embarrassing, and and
the calls that were made at the end of Game three,
you know, there were some issues up in Detroit as well. Yesterday.
I mean, I was bad. That was bad.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Yeah, certainly I saw that in Game three.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Oh yeah, Okay, Now going back, I was thinking about
what exactly, referring to you the over and back in
Adverton with Hills nonsense to the end of Game three.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
You're right, that was that.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Was bad, but just by and large with the physicality
that the series has has displayed on both sides, and
I think the flagrants in Boston were, you know, sort
of nitpicking, but at the very least, I think that
they've done a fairly good job of not letting this
thing turn into a march to the free throw line.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Both ways. They've let the physicality play out. I will say,
you're right.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Like there's you could tell after Game three that that
Boston was perturbed because of the things Jalen Brown saying
it doesn't even feel like basketball anymore. And I'm sitting
there going, like, you lost one game. Your remediate reaction
is if you if you guys want to fight, we
could fight.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
And in my initial reaction was I would love that.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I would absolutely love to fight to advance to go
to the next round, because basketball, because what we're doing
right now. I'm really worried it's not gonna work out
in our favor. But but the bottom line is, like,
there's just not there's just not a whole lot of help.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
And you look at it.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
You think about a guy like Derek White, who had
eighteen seven and seven last night.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
They didn't even have Drew Holliday. They've got the sixth
man of the year.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
They've got perimeter shooters who have not played very well
in a guy like Sam Hawser who hadn't really done
anything in the series, but you know, he'll probably have
a moment before all is said and done. And we
are like a newly assembled group minus two of our
best players and still hanging in there and making it.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
You know, in a massive game four a four minute game,
it was right down.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
To mad Jake. Could you imagine if we just had
one game where we made ten threes and I'm talking ten.
The league average is somewhere around twelve or thirteen. I'm saying,
could we just get to ten, we would look like
I think we would have blown them out in all
these games. Could you just get double figure threes one time?
The Celtics last night made nine threes. So this is
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five times this year that the Celtics have been held
to less than ten threes. Five times. It's only happened
five times all year, and four have been against the Magic. Yep.
Think about that. Four of those times have been against
the Magic, including the last two games. That's a masterful
job defensively, but then you look at the other end
and the Magic just cannot make a shot, Jake, And
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the offense has been absolutely agonizing to watch you times
in this series, which it often is because the playoffs
are about defense, right, and they and they find all
your weaknesses and they exploit you. And they just loaded
up on pollow with fronds, but still as tough as
it is, and the lack of firepower that the Magic have,
they have been right there, they have been right there
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the entire series. And you're right, you just got to
win on the margins. The Magic haven't been able to
do that. Let me al the road. Oh sorry, go ahead, Dake.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Just real quick before the break.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I mean, because I was thinking about this last night,
and this is probably a longer question for maybe even
for another day.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Do you think if we had some more shooting, how
like would we be giving.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
If you have one week link in the defense, because
our team is so predicated on defense, if we just
went out and got a shooter and brought him in there,
and maybe Cole Anthony is the perfect example, because Cole
has been borderline unplayable in this.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Series out because because of what he brings on the
other end.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
We need to have that defensive identity and it typically
has to be all five guys on the floor. I
just I kept thinking last night, boy, if we just
had one shoot or what difference would it make? And
then I'm going, well, maybe they do score one hundred
and ten points if we have a weekly defensively, maybe
it is that important, right, you know?
Speaker 5 (14:24):
So here's I hear you, I hear you, and that's
and I hear that argument a lot. But why does
it have to be a guy that only shoots and
doesn't defend? Right? I mean, we finally got what can
you do? Both? You know what I'm saying. There's plenty
of guys in this league. That's what KCP. You know, KCP,
you know that was what he prided. You know, he
predicated his game on. It was three indeed, and that
three point shot hasn't been there this year just flat
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out has not been there. It was first stretch since January,
but just hasn't been. But I think there's this notion
that you got to go out and get a guy
that can only score. Now here's the other side of that.
If the guy can get you twenty, I don't care
what he does defensively. If the guy can go on
and get you twenty and not down threes, then yeah,
you can live with what he does on the defensive end.
But you know, Cole's had those games where he's got
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to twenty five, twenty six and hasn't really mattered what
he's done defensively. So I think there's this notion that says,
you got to find the right guy. Yet you may
give up a little bit on the defensive end, but
you're good enough to overcome that, and everybody has to
play well. And I just wonder, and not only that,
I'm talking about the guys. You have got to make shots.
It has just been just a perennial miss from beyond
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the arc in the painted area. It's two guys that scored.
You might get a third guy, and that's so difficult
to beat the defending champs that way. But still so
proud of them because they've been right there. They've been
right there, and that has been remarkable. Even when the
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Speaker 4 (16:03):
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The game and welcome back every one of his Magic Insiders,
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with you the Magic send the series back to Boston.
That was the goal, no matter what, you have to
force the Game five, and they did that last night.
The goal was to bring the series back to Orlando.
Unable to pull that off, the Celtics win one oh
seven to ninety eight. But you still have a chance
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to do that. You still have a chance to do that.
The game is tomorrow at eight o'clock in Boston. We'll
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learn more. Jake By call the game. As the series
comes back to Orlando, I'm telling you that right now,
I think, go up there, we play, We play what
do you call it? The fancy free and footloose up
there in Boston. We got nothing to lose, right nobody's
expecting us to win. We have not shot it well
one time in this series, not once. And I think
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the floodgates are going to open now. I think the
blood games are going to open for Boston too. I
don't know if you can hold Peyton Pritchard three straight
games without a three. I don't know if you can
slow down, you know, that that firepower. How many times
can you keep them under ten? Madyon threes. But I
do think we are finally gonna play loose. We're not
gonna be stressed and tense. You could feel, you could
feel and see how tense and stress they were last
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night because they knew, they knew the sea, they knew
that they felt the season came down to last night's game,
and so every single, every single play was magnified. Now
I think, hey, just go out there and play. Nobody
expects anything. I think they're going to shoot the lights
out and I think we're going to force a game six.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
I love the take, I love the energy, I love
the idea of because right now all of the idea, well,
I just want them to be annoyed. I just want
to annoy the balls of Celtics, right.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Because it's one thing.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Sometimes even last year after the Cavs series, I was like,
you know what, it was hard fought JB. Bickerstaff screaming
at one end, Tristan Thompson and Marcus Morris doing their
goon stuff. And granted I'm from Cleveland, but I like
Donovan Mitchell, I like Darius Garland. I like to Havin Mogo,
they're likable guys something. Right now, I'm very much not
liking the Boston Celtics. I'm not sure a couple of
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weeks from now I'm gonna soften on that at all.
Like the series has definitely soured me on some of
those personalities. So regardless of whether or not we win it,
let's just make them get their asses back on the
plane and come back down to Central Florida.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Let them less stuff, all right, and get.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Ready for the for the Knicks or Pistons or whoever
they think they're already going to deal with. And then
who knows, right, if you win that game tomorrow night, now,
now you turn it back and and yes, all the
pressure would be back on the Celtics shoulders coming back
to Orlando and trying to avoid a potential Game seven.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
So I look, I think we're right there deep.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
And I also love the idea that that just sort
of alleviating all that pressure and going out and just
having some fun. Maybe this is a game where Cole
can go out and make an impact, or or you
find somebody else who you know, let's be honest, the young,
the young role players have struggled largely probably you know,
Boston's defense plays a large role, but largely probably because
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the moment's been a little bit too big for them.
We certainly saw that at the beginning of the Cavs
series last year. So the idea of Caleb knocking down
four threes maybe or ab you know who's been much
better as the series has progressed. Having a big game,
that's all you need. I think you just need one
third guy to score fifteen points and get what you
got from everybody else and you'll end go be right there.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Well, it was the wrong game for Caleb to go
out there and hunt shots. I mean, that was a
five minute stretch that we can't get back and that Hey,
that's that young guy. He's gonna learn those shots. We
got to find you know, Caleb Houston shouldn't have as
many shots as Contavious Caldwell. Vote like, we got to
find way to get KCP going right. We got to
put and Gary. You know, Gary had to fire up
a shot like that was his only field goal attempt,
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So there are so many field goal attempts that are
going to the other two. We got to find a way.
I think Paulo's gonna be upset about the way he
shot it in Game four. I think he's gonna have
an unbelievable game, But I think it's gonna be balanced,
and I think we're gonna find a way to play
free to be balanced. I think everybody's going to contribute,
and I think it's gonna be one of our more
enjoyable games of the season to watch, and it will
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be if they win, it will be their most enjoyable
game of the season. And listen, I everyone was saying, allow,
we're in their heads. We're in their heads. Boston spent
two days posturing to try to get every call they
could for Game four. That's all that was. That's all
that was. And they and they got to the line.
They know how to do it. They're so crafty. Polo
and Franz, to me, are light years ahead of where
Brown and Tatum were their second and third years as
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the NBA. Right, So, I think you have a lot
to be excited about. You have a lot to be
proud of his magic fans, And I think I think
it's just my gut feeling they're gonna be loose. Hopefully
it pulls out, it ends up in a But how
proud would we be if we had ourselves a Game
six here in Orlando on Thursday. That'll do it for
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Step back over, Durrance shot us up, Carro drills it
and the fole change for a three point point big
time bag came fort headed.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Back the way, a steal by Franz Fondner to run out.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
The fog and get my to it.
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Speaker 5 (00:57):
A tough one last night. You're land them at fall
to the Boston Celtics in Game four. One oh seven
to ninety eight is the final. You get thirty seven
points from Jason Tatum. You get twenty one points from
Jalen Brown. You get nineteen points from Christaps Porzingis, who
was a big story in that one. Derek White goes
for eighteen, and the Magic, of course, led by Polo
Bancero with thirty one points. You get twenty four from
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Franz Wagner and the Orlando Magic now trail three games
to one. The series ships back to Boston and Game
five comes your way on Tuesday at TD Garden. We'll
have it for you at eight o'clock late start, eight
o'clock right here on ninety six to nine the game
and eight o'clock on FanDuel Sports Network. Jake, this was
a tie basketball game ninety one ninety one, with about
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four minutes left, a big time out by Joe Mizzula
as the Magic rattled off a five to zero run,
a huge three by Contavious Caldwell Pope, a huge putback
by Wendell Carter Junior. It felt like that building was
ready to detonate if you could have just got one
stop and an unbelievable call out of the time out
by Joe Mizzoula. And it was masterful that entire game,
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as was coach mostly It was a terrific baddle back
and forth. But Joe Mizzoula's message was, let's make sure
chrisps Porzingis is involved in this basketball game. They got
him going early. They went right to him out of
that timeout. It was a big and one and they
never looked back after that. The final was one oh
seven to ninety eight. So in the final four minutes,
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the Celtics outscore the Magic sixteen to seven and they
were able to hold on Jake unbelievable basketball game, but heartbreaker,
heartbreaker to not be able to pull that out and
fantastic play call to get rips Porzingis that basket and
then Jason Tatum closed it from there.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, in da I thought Joe Mizula did a really
good job. If we go back, you know, we haven't
done it show since Friday. The Magic won ninety five
ninety three on Friday Night. It was obviously worked their
way back into the series. It was needed and it
was electric in that building on Friday night as well.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Porzingis in that game.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I thought was out that Porzingis that Jamo Mosley and
the Magic and you and I have been asking for
the Magic attacked him on one end and then got
him involved in sort of the ways he doesn't want
to be involved at the other end, fade away long twos.
He was three of ten that night and he was
minus sixteen last night. You said, credit Joe Miszoula. I
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thought he did it all night. He got Porzingis the
ball in his spots, and of course his teammates as well.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
But he was slipping screens. He was the Magic were aggressive.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
They took an Adam and got him in foul trouble,
but he defended well and held up. He was on
the fourth roll in twenty two minutes because of that
foul trouble. Last night, d nineteen points and he was
a plus eight. Well, he was on the four, so
he was involved in the offense certainly was out of
that time out. And then Jason Tatum was He just carried.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Them all night long. I mean, the guy is he
is absolutely masterful. He's a complainer.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I could show you the text or I could read
the text that my mom sent me during the game
about Jason Tatum, but we would just run off the air.
But the dude is, he's one of the best what
five players in the world for a reason. His rebounding
has been a huge swing in this series. At fourteen
more rebounds last night, but he had three I says
three steals was perfect. Fourteen to fourteen at the free
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throw line, indeed, to me, that was the big difference,
Like all night long, we were splitting pairs every time
we went to the free throw line, and they were
knocking both.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Down every time we went to the free throw line.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Yes, the game where.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
The margin of error is that slim, and they were
thirty of thirty two, which ends up a little bit
inflated because we were following at the end of the
game trying to work our way back into it. But
we were fourteen to twenty and you just can't leave
You can't shoot seventy percent of the free throw line,
and not to mention going into that game, I think
it was like sixty eight percent. We were fifteenth in
the playoffs in free throw percent and so it's been
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a problem the whole series. You just can't leave points
on the board against the team as talented as Boston,
and that's what the Magic did last night.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
I think there's still a little bit of concern as
far as the balance. Offensively, it's like fans or nothing.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
And you did get twelve from Kojo last night, best
game he's played in the series. Kenny knocked down a
couple of shots, he got ten more off the bench
from Maybe, but nothing else from anybody else.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
And Paul and Franz took fifty four shots last night.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I'm just not sure if that sort of balance offensively
is sustainable, especially against a team like that. With all
of that said, it felt like we were overmatched or
at the very least with the injuries that we've dealt
with this year. On paper, going into this series, it
was going to be a long shot, and man, we
have been there in every single game. It was a
four minute basketball game essentially last night, right it was
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at four to fifteen, I think, and as you mentioned,
Boston showed their championship pedigree coming out of that timeout,
and the Magic were sort of fell victim to it.
It was a huge offensive rebound for Perzingis and and one,
and then it was just kind of Boston doing their
thing the rest of the way. I'm really proud of
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the effort this team has given over the course of
the entire series, certainly this weekend. There's a pretty special atmosphere,
but we saw on Friday you had to play a
basically a perfect game to beat him by two, and
then last night you had them sort of right where
you wanted them, because I think the Magic's main hope
for this series has been just get to to crunch time,
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get to the final five minutes within five points and
trying to pull it out.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
And last night Boston was better down the stretch.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Well, I think there's a lot. Yeah, the free throws
have been a problem. They've been a problem the entire year.
They got a little bit better the last couple of
weeks of the season, but you left nine points on
the line and actually won a basketball game the other day,
and that certainly has been a problem. The balance in
field goal attempts, obviously, that's something that is not sustainable
moving forward. I don't know what it'll look like here
(06:47):
at tomorrow, but moving forward next year into the rest
of the you know, into next season, there has to
be more balance. You had eighty eight field goal attempts,
and you're right, fifty four came from Paolo and Franz
and listen, follow didn't have a great shooting night. He
was twelve for thirty two. To get to those thirty
one points. Now six times in his NBA career he's
gone for thirty points in a playoff game, six out
of eleven, which is absolutely remarkable. So you've been able
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to run and the guy was due. You could absolutely
live with follow having an off night because it comes
from the place of I got to win us the
basketball game. Jayson Tatum's gonna win the basketball game for Boston.
I got to win it for us. So there was
that feeling. But I think what you said is important, Jake,
because that's how I left that game is we competed
our tails off. We gave absolutely everything we had. I'm
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watching us against the defending champs, and it's Gary Harris,
Jonathan Isaac, Caleb Houston, Corey Joseph. I mean, guys that
you never envisioned would even be in this role when
the season started. There were guys on on the floor
playing huge minutes in French time that were not even
a part of the rotation when the year began. And
yet here we are with the defending champs on the
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ropes in our building here in Game four. It was unbelievable.
It was a sight to behold. I was incredibly proud
that they fought so hard, but boy, it was a glaring,
glaring reminder that they have a ton of firepower. They
are the defending champs for a reason. We do not
have the firepower. We do not have the support for
Polo and Franz that Boston has for Tatum and Brown,
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and we know that they're just on another level. A
lot of work to be done this summer to improve
the roster and to get to a better position. But
through all that and everything that they've overcome, just an
unbelievable effort and we just were outdone by a team
that has been there. You can't rattle the Celtics. They
are battle tested, They've been through the fire. They know
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what it takes to win games on the road in
the clutch, and sometimes you tip your hat. They just
have they you know, I don't want to say they
have by far the better team, but you know, it
would be a colossal undertaking to upset the Boston Celtics.
They have a better roster on paper, no question about it,
and they have more firepower and they made it happen
(08:55):
last night on the road.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, they have a team that's been together for a
long time or at the very least the guts of
the team have been and so I think that you know,
that really shows up in the final four minutes of
a game when you're trying not to file three point shooters.
It's funny, though. The most boneheaded mistake in the final
four minutes was from the Venerator's probably gonna be an
All ser Hall of Famer. Eventually Al Horford with that,
(09:18):
what did you.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Do step on the line while we were trying to
stead on the line a delay a game? It was
huge and then he couldn't believe it. Then he or
you talk about a winer and somebody that argues the
whole time, My goodness, Al Horford, But you know what,
isn't it funny? How that isn't it funny? How the
Celtics have realized and this is a problem that has
to be addressed. But the Celtics have realized if they
make a stink or if they roll around on the ground,
(09:38):
that they'll get they'll force a replay. They'll force a review.
And Al Horford came in. It was an absolute nothing
played by Wendell Carter Junior. First of all, to me
credit Mark Davis and that crew last night. I really
thought they did a good job. I'm not gonna lie
to you. I thought they did a great job. They
completely missed the elbow from Jalen Brown and a Corey Joseph,
and they missed it because Corey Joseph is trying to
(09:59):
make a play. Yeah, I took a shot to the mouth,
but I'm old school and I grew up where you
don't bake and roll around and you don't show weakness.
You fight through it. And that cost us a flagrant right.
Had he had he dropped to the ground and rived
around in pain like you know, like like Brown and
Tatum do, then they would have had to review it.
But he's trying to make a play, and I love
that about him, and Boston is just you know, they
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found ways to cheat the system at times, but overall,
they they made the shots they had.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
To me, no, I agreed that.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I think the official I think the Fish has done
a pretty good job the whole series, and I can't
say that for everybody else.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
It was atrocious Game three. Game three was absolutely embarrassing.
In my opinion. Game three was absolutely embarrassing, and and
the calls that were made at the end of Game three,
you know, there were some issues up in Detroit as well. Yesterday.
I mean, I was bad. That was bad.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Yeah, certainly I saw that in Game three.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Oh yeah, Okay, Now going back, I was thinking about
what exactly, referring to you the over and back in
Adverton with Hills nonsense to the end of Game three.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
You're right, that was that.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Was bad, but just by and large with the physicality
that the series has has displayed on both sides, and
I think the flagrants in Boston were, you know, sort
of nitpicking, but at the very least, I think that
they've done a fairly good job of not letting this
thing turn into a march to the free throw line.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Both ways. They've let the physicality play out. I will say,
you're right.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Like there's you could tell after Game three that that
Boston was perturbed because of the things Jalen Brown saying
it doesn't even feel like basketball anymore. And I'm sitting
there going, like, you lost one game. Your remediate reaction
is if you if you guys want to fight, we
could fight.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
And in my initial reaction was I would love that.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I would absolutely love to fight to advance to go
to the next round, because basketball, because what we're doing
right now. I'm really worried it's not gonna work out
in our favor. But but the bottom line is, like,
there's just not there's just not a whole lot of help.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
And you look at it.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
You think about a guy like Derek White, who had
eighteen seven and seven last night.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
They didn't even have Drew Holliday. They've got the sixth
man of the year.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
They've got perimeter shooters who have not played very well
in a guy like Sam Hawser who hadn't really done
anything in the series, but you know, he'll probably have
a moment before all is said and done. And we
are like a newly assembled group minus two of our
best players and still hanging in there and making it.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
You know, in a massive game four a four minute game,
it was right down.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
To mad Jake. Could you imagine if we just had
one game where we made ten threes and I'm talking ten.
The league average is somewhere around twelve or thirteen. I'm saying,
could we just get to ten, we would look like
I think we would have blown them out in all
these games. Could you just get double figure threes one time?
The Celtics last night made nine threes. So this is
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five times this year that the Celtics have been held
to less than ten threes. Five times. It's only happened
five times all year, and four have been against the Magic. Yep.
Think about that. Four of those times have been against
the Magic, including the last two games. That's a masterful
job defensively, but then you look at the other end
and the Magic just cannot make a shot, Jake, And
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the offense has been absolutely agonizing to watch you times
in this series, which it often is because the playoffs
are about defense, right, and they and they find all
your weaknesses and they exploit you. And they just loaded
up on pollow with fronds, but still as tough as
it is, and the lack of firepower that the Magic have,
they have been right there, they have been right there
(13:33):
the entire series. And you're right, you just got to
win on the margins. The Magic haven't been able to
do that. Let me al the road. Oh sorry, go ahead, Dake.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Just real quick before the break.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I mean, because I was thinking about this last night,
and this is probably a longer question for maybe even
for another day.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Do you think if we had some more shooting, how
like would we be giving.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
If you have one week link in the defense, because
our team is so predicated on defense, if we just
went out and got a shooter and brought him in there,
and maybe Cole Anthony is the perfect example, because Cole
has been borderline unplayable in this.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Series out because because of what he brings on the
other end.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
We need to have that defensive identity and it typically
has to be all five guys on the floor. I
just I kept thinking last night, boy, if we just
had one shoot or what difference would it make? And
then I'm going, well, maybe they do score one hundred
and ten points if we have a weekly defensively, maybe
it is that important, right, you know?
Speaker 5 (14:24):
So here's I hear you, I hear you, and that's
and I hear that argument a lot. But why does
it have to be a guy that only shoots and
doesn't defend? Right? I mean, we finally got what can
you do? Both? You know what I'm saying. There's plenty
of guys in this league. That's what KCP. You know, KCP,
you know that was what he prided. You know, he
predicated his game on. It was three indeed, and that
three point shot hasn't been there this year just flat
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out has not been there. It was first stretch since January,
but just hasn't been. But I think there's this notion
that you got to go out and get a guy
that can only score. Now here's the other side of that.
If the guy can get you twenty, I don't care
what he does defensively. If the guy can go on
and get you twenty and not down threes, then yeah,
you can live with what he does on the defensive end.
But you know, Cole's had those games where he's got
(15:05):
to twenty five, twenty six and hasn't really mattered what
he's done defensively. So I think there's this notion that says,
you got to find the right guy. Yet you may
give up a little bit on the defensive end, but
you're good enough to overcome that, and everybody has to
play well. And I just wonder, and not only that,
I'm talking about the guys. You have got to make shots.
It has just been just a perennial miss from beyond
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the arc in the painted area. It's two guys that scored.
You might get a third guy, and that's so difficult
to beat the defending champs that way. But still so
proud of them because they've been right there. They've been
right there, and that has been remarkable. Even when the
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Speaker 4 (16:03):
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Speaker 5 (16:11):
The game and welcome back every one of his Magic Insiders,
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with you the Magic send the series back to Boston.
That was the goal, no matter what, you have to
force the Game five, and they did that last night.
The goal was to bring the series back to Orlando.
Unable to pull that off, the Celtics win one oh
seven to ninety eight. But you still have a chance
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to do that. You still have a chance to do that.
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learn more. Jake By call the game. As the series
comes back to Orlando, I'm telling you that right now,
I think, go up there, we play, We play what
do you call it? The fancy free and footloose up
there in Boston. We got nothing to lose, right nobody's
expecting us to win. We have not shot it well
one time in this series, not once. And I think
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the floodgates are going to open now. I think the
blood games are going to open for Boston too. I
don't know if you can hold Peyton Pritchard three straight
games without a three. I don't know if you can
slow down, you know, that that firepower. How many times
can you keep them under ten? Madyon threes. But I
do think we are finally gonna play loose. We're not
gonna be stressed and tense. You could feel, you could
feel and see how tense and stress they were last
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night because they knew, they knew the sea, they knew
that they felt the season came down to last night's game,
and so every single, every single play was magnified. Now
I think, hey, just go out there and play. Nobody
expects anything. I think they're going to shoot the lights
out and I think we're going to force a game six.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
I love the take, I love the energy, I love
the idea of because right now all of the idea, well,
I just want them to be annoyed. I just want
to annoy the balls of Celtics, right.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Because it's one thing.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Sometimes even last year after the Cavs series, I was like,
you know what, it was hard fought JB. Bickerstaff screaming
at one end, Tristan Thompson and Marcus Morris doing their
goon stuff. And granted I'm from Cleveland, but I like
Donovan Mitchell, I like Darius Garland. I like to Havin Mogo,
they're likable guys something. Right now, I'm very much not
liking the Boston Celtics. I'm not sure a couple of
(18:25):
weeks from now I'm gonna soften on that at all.
Like the series has definitely soured me on some of
those personalities. So regardless of whether or not we win it,
let's just make them get their asses back on the
plane and come back down to Central Florida.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Let them less stuff, all right, and get.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Ready for the for the Knicks or Pistons or whoever
they think they're already going to deal with. And then
who knows, right, if you win that game tomorrow night, now,
now you turn it back and and yes, all the
pressure would be back on the Celtics shoulders coming back
to Orlando and trying to avoid a potential Game seven.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
So I look, I think we're right there deep.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
And I also love the idea that that just sort
of alleviating all that pressure and going out and just
having some fun. Maybe this is a game where Cole
can go out and make an impact, or or you
find somebody else who you know, let's be honest, the young,
the young role players have struggled largely probably you know,
Boston's defense plays a large role, but largely probably because
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the moment's been a little bit too big for them.
We certainly saw that at the beginning of the Cavs
series last year. So the idea of Caleb knocking down
four threes maybe or ab you know who's been much
better as the series has progressed. Having a big game,
that's all you need. I think you just need one
third guy to score fifteen points and get what you
got from everybody else and you'll end go be right there.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Well, it was the wrong game for Caleb to go
out there and hunt shots. I mean, that was a
five minute stretch that we can't get back and that Hey,
that's that young guy. He's gonna learn those shots. We
got to find you know, Caleb Houston shouldn't have as
many shots as Contavious Caldwell. Vote like, we got to
find way to get KCP going right. We got to
put and Gary. You know, Gary had to fire up
a shot like that was his only field goal attempt,
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So there are so many field goal attempts that are
going to the other two. We got to find a way.
I think Paulo's gonna be upset about the way he
shot it in Game four. I think he's gonna have
an unbelievable game, But I think it's gonna be balanced,
and I think we're gonna find a way to play
free to be balanced. I think everybody's going to contribute,
and I think it's gonna be one of our more
enjoyable games of the season to watch, and it will
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be if they win, it will be their most enjoyable
game of the season. And listen, I everyone was saying, allow,
we're in their heads. We're in their heads. Boston spent
two days posturing to try to get every call they
could for Game four. That's all that was. That's all
that was. And they and they got to the line.
They know how to do it. They're so crafty. Polo
and Franz, to me, are light years ahead of where
Brown and Tatum were their second and third years as
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the NBA. Right, So, I think you have a lot
to be excited about. You have a lot to be
proud of his magic fans, And I think I think
it's just my gut feeling they're gonna be loose. Hopefully
it pulls out, it ends up in a But how
proud would we be if we had ourselves a Game
six here in Orlando on Thursday. That'll do it for
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