June 16, 2025 • 48 mins
Jake Thomas joins Will and Sabrina to talk about growing up in the entertainment industry, starring in Lizzie McGuire and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
And thank you everybody for joining us in this Park
Copper episode of Magical Rewind. I'm going to start saying
it like that from now on Magical Rewind.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I've never said this before, but we got a special
one today.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I think I say that every episode, but they're always special,
and that's the way it is.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Well, this one's good because it's like kind of like
an OG at this point. You know, he's young on
the channel, he's like an OG at this point.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
He's not only an OG, but the show really kind
of exemplifies a certain era of the Channel.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yes, it really does. Well, we'll let him tell us
all about that.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
And for everybody out there, in case you're wondering who
it is, it's mister Jake Thomas from Lizzie McGuire.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Hello, Hey, how are you good?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I'm good? Thank you? You look very different than the
Lizzie MacGuire movie that I watched last night for the Yeah,
that's like time has passed.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
A little bit at.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Yeah, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Sabrina was just saying, and I have to agree that
you're essentially you're one of the Ogs.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
You're one of the Disney Channel ogs.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
I'm proud to be that that's I love it. I
love it.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Wild to think, I mean especially, I don't know when
the last time you really like watched an episode or
watched the movie. But you obviously were really young, so
it's funny to kind.
Speaker 6 (01:36):
Of call you an OG.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
But truly you were a part of a show that
like defined what Disney was doing at that time. Like
it was like a true like through and through just
amazing Disney Channel that I feel like, for the first
time in a long time, created this crazy fan base.
Like people were wild about Lizzie Maguire and every single
(02:02):
one of your characters. Like your show definitely had these
different characters that you could find someone in your show.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
I was a huge fan. You could find somebody in.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
The show that you like, really like loved and spoke to,
you know, And I loved your character, especially because you
were that little brother that was pesky but like hilarious
and then also had a bully who was your best friend,
which was always fun to watch you guys interact.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Yeah, like you just had your whole.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
Character was like multi dimensional. It was awesome.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
It was really everybody was kind of multi dimensional. Which
was great. I mean, everybody had a heart.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
It was nice.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Well that's what Disney does better than anybody, still is
the heart?
Speaker 5 (02:41):
All right?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Well, before we get into that, yeah, let's get we
like to find out how you ended up on television
in the first place. How where did you grow up,
and how did you decide the entertainment industry is for
me kind.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Of by accident, honestly. So my parent were both in
kind of local entertainment industry. I'm originally from Knoxville, Tennessee,
and my dad was on the radio for a very
long time. He was a morning DJ and my mom
was a news anchor and she had a she had
(03:16):
like a like a daytime local show that she would
do and they would do.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Local commercials and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
But leading up to my birth, there was like a countdown,
there was like a naming contest on.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
The news for it. It was like a local event.
And that's so neat, and.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Yeah, I think they were. They reported live from the
hospital the day I was born. And so there's footage
of me, and I have it somewhere. It's the footage
of me like the day I'm born, and I'm on
TV as news.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
So kind.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I kind of got involved in it through them, and
I was just kind of always around that, at least
on a low, cool basis, until I was like five
or six. And at that point my parents decided, Hey,
we're gonna move to LA for like six months. We're
gonna try it. We're going to see what we can do.
They quit their jobs. They were like six months, if
(04:13):
it doesn't work out, then we'll come back. But my
mom had been going back and forth between LA and
Tennessee and had gotten an agent and had gotten some
small roles, and they were like, I think we have
a chance at this, and so I went with them
at six years old, arriving what it was April first,
was my first.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Day in LA and.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
At the time, at six years old, I wanted to
be nothing more than a stand up comedian.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
And so I just knows six year old kids exactly astronaut, cowboys,
stand up comedian, yes.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Exactly, in that order, in that order.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
And so I just had a bunch of jokes and
I would just tell them to anyone who would give
me the time of day. And one time it ended
up being my mom's agent when she went to a
meeting and took me into and the agent was like,
you'd be great for the youth department, and I'm like, okay,
we can, we can try it out, and then it
just snowballed.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Okay, wait, two questions before we go any farther. One
was Jake the name that won the contest? Were you
actually named after somebody who won the contest?
Speaker 7 (05:18):
No?
Speaker 6 (05:18):
Okay, not at all, that's so funny.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And Two, do you buy any chance remember any of
the jokes you knew when you were six?
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Man?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
I think they were all just honestly really pointless, Like
there was no punchline that was there. It was all
about the delivery, which has taught me so much in life.
It doesn't matter what you're saying if it makes sense,
as long as you sound good saying it.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Oh my goods true. True.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I have a question though, because I know you were little,
but how did your parents Like I've always I listened
to you know this the radio in the morning, and
I always think of, like, how do these radio.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Stars like they go to bed at well?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Like, I mean, I feel like if I was having
to be up on air that early, at like four
o'clock in the afternoon, is when I'd have to be going,
so like your dad would be gone and then he
would basically what come back, and then your mom would
go to her like that is just like essentially wild.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Yeah, And my grandmother would watch me sometimes in the
mornings when I was a kid, and my dad would
always say hi to me on the radio and be like.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
All right, Jake, have a good day. Kindergarten school or
what was at preschool?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I can't remember, but but yeah, I mean my dad
still does radio, and it's it's the whole schedule of
you know, going to bed real early and then waking
up at four am to be down the station. And
then by the time he gets home around like ten,
he's taken the nap.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Yeah, he's taking He's out for.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Like an hour. I couldn't. I couldn't imagine. Okay, so
you're you.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Come to LA now?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Is Third Rock from the Sun the first thing.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
That you do? You know?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
So I had done a handful of commercials. That was
the first thing that I did. Was and that's what
honestly prompted us staying out in LA for uh for
good uh was I booked just national commercial after national
commercial after national commercial.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
It was like crazy, Yeah, and and I mean.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Look, if you're six years old and you're cute and
you just do nothing but yap like, they'll put you
in front of the cameras. It's true.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeahmer, Remembering your lines is super important. Following direction you get,
you get. Most six year olds can't do that. So
when they find one who is not only personable and
but can remember the lines, listens to direction, you're.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Gonna be in everything.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
But then soon after that was Third Rock from the Sun,
and that was I think my first television appearance, and
I I still remember to this day. My only scene
was just an exterior shot, uh for one scene with
John Lithgow and I. We we went and watched actually
(08:11):
the the live taping for all the stuff in the
studio and John lyth Gow brought me up on stage
and he just announced the whole audience that was there.
Everyone listen. I want you to I want you to
meet Jake. Remember his name. You will know him in
the future. I'm awesome, isn't he the nicest?
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Is the nicest guy?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
And I did a Third Rock from the Sun first
of all, shot right next to Boy Meets World, so
we might have Radford and he I never met him.
I was shooting with just Joseph and he was somewhere else.
And for the next ten years, after having never met
the guy, I got a Christmas card every single year
from John lig.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Whoa thank god, this is that insane.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I think just as I was on the show, He's like, oh,
this is another guest star. I want to make sure
you are wish to merry Christmas. Every year for years after,
I still got a marry.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Isn't that insane?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Okay, so you're nine years old. You do Third Rock
from the Sun. This is a big deal. It's huge.
But were you a Disney and Disney Channel fan growing
up at the time, and if so, sub question what
were your favorite shows and what were you watching?
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Oh man, Okay, so I this.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Is kind of weird.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
But I distinctly remember coming back one day from elementary
school and shout out Riverside Drive Elementary and and remembering
hearing that we were going to get the Disney Channel
on cable and that it was coming and then and
I was so excited about that. And I remember the
(09:56):
shows distinctly that I loved watching were Let's See the Jersey,
which was great show. Wow about a magical jersey that
hear cast of characters into a pro athlete.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Yeah, great idea, fantastic idea.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
And then the I guess this was probably around the
same era too, but the famous Jed Jackson, which had
to have been I think that was my number one favorite.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Okay, okay, so you are so then you are a
Disney fan. Oh yeah, going in, Do you have.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
Any d coms that you remember that you loved d coms?
Speaker 5 (10:31):
I mean Luck of the Irish was a great one
of the Irish? One man? What was looking back? Like?
What was probably my favorite?
Speaker 7 (10:45):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (10:45):
What was it? The one with Revieeve?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Pixel Perfect?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Pixel perfect? So perfect? Okay, yes we did. We covered pixel.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Perfect with the with the Andorous is another good one there.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
All great, it's so funny.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
We have all of our producers so you know, they
do a lot of podcasts iHeart and you know you've
got producers that are doing ten or fifteen different shows.
All of our producers are so decome and Disney fanatically
locked in that anytime anybody says anything, the chat pops
up with.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Pixel perfect or whatever it is instantly at the bottom.
We get we get yeah, d C.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Google is working for our stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Okay, before but before we get into again that, you
have to stop first at what is a huge cult favorite,
The Cell. Oh yeah, where you get to play young
Vincent Dianafrio. You're also working with Jennifer Lopez. What is
what are you ten eleven? By this point, I'm I
think eight eighty nine? Oh my, okay, So what is
(11:45):
it like shooting? Shooting with you know, Dinafrio, who are
here is can be intense, Oh, very intense.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
He and Jennifer Lopez did not interact whatsoever during all
of filming. Donafrio stayed in character and and to to
a degree that when we had to do There's there's
a there's a shot where we're inside. If you're not
familiar with the movie, it's a crazy movie where it
(12:13):
takes place inside the mind of a serial killer who's
in a coma, and Jeff Lopez has to go inside
of his brain and kind of decipher things. And I
play young Vincentinofrio as a child is like where his
issues came from and everything where the trauma is not
a good pitch for a dcom by the way, this
is really not. But there's this one scene where we're
(12:36):
in like this like water tank kind of set, and
it's this massive stage that has to be filled with
I think about like two feet of water and and
there's there's this shot where Dnofrio comes up behind me
and grabs me and he's like me, like, this is like,
this is mine, but he wanted to rehearse that, and
(12:56):
so he comes up and grabs me and does that.
But then in the process of that, my wardrobe gets
soaked and this is just a rehearsal and they're like,
all right, well, let's open up the tank, go get
him changed. That takes another twenty minutes to go and
do that, and then we come back and I think
he does it again.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
And we're like okay, but no, that.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Was That was a crazy, crazy movie. But everyone on
that was just fantastic to work with.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
It was a very.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Scary movie for an eight year old watched. I didn't
even at the premiere get to watch the entire thing.
My dad took me in and out of the theater
because he knew what scenes were coming and he's like,
all right, yeah, come on, come on, oh wow, that
is a movie.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Until I was an adult, oh my god, I didn't
get to.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Watch the movie I was in because I was too
young and it would have given me nightmares.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, after that, you went on.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
To work with a smaller director. I don't know if
I'm pronouncing this right.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Steve spell spellbeer spellbeer.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Yeah, stevens.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
If he went on to do anything else and he
was also working with Stanley Kubrick, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's Steven Spielberg and Stanley Kubrick in AI and you
have a gigantic part.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
What huge?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
First of all, I always.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Like to ask when it comes to something like this,
did you One of the reasons I think child actors
are can be so good at what they do and
so resilient through the audition process is because maybe they
don't understand the weight of the project that they're doing.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, and this is something that you felt like it was.
This is just I'm going for another audition, Like what
was that process like? Or did you know what this was?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Oh? You you hit the nail round on the head.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
It's I had absolutely no fear at nine years old,
Steven Miss Spielberg, who.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Right, right?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
But nowadays it's mind boggling. I got to be a
part of Kubrick's technically a last film yes, which is insane. No,
I mean that that entire audition process too, was was
so fascinating looking back on it because the script for it,
because it was co written by Kubrick and uh Spielberg,
(15:16):
they it was it was so secretive. It was so
secret So even the audition, the scene that they have
for the audition was I think from the movie Radio Flyer.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Oh interesting, you read anything from the movie.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Mocking didn't even have like really a character description, if
I'm if I'm remembering it right.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Do you remember there being like was there a was
this like a big audition with a lot of like
showing up with a lot of kids that look like
you or was it like, no, they like already find tooth, probably.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
Picked you from the prior movie or something.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
I don't know exactly. I don't remember that detail. But
what I do remember is going in for casting and
reading for the first time with the casting director.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
And my parents have told me this so many times, but.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
I came back out of the out of the casting
office and I told my dad, Yeah, We're never gonna
hear from them again.
Speaker 8 (16:11):
Because I thought that I had just an honorably in
the audition, and I think. The next day, we got
a call and it was, yeah, Steven Spielberg would like
to meet with him.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
So we went to this.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Office that they had on Warner Brothers. And I had
my sides ready with like radio flyer and I go
into the room.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
I'm the only other kid there. No one else is there.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
It's just me and walk in and it's Spielberg at
a table with another chair and then aligning the whole
room is like six seven executives, and Spielberg is like,
don't worry about the script.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
We're not going to do that. We're just going to talk.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
We talked for like fifteen minutes and he just asks
me like, oh, do you have you know, any pets
at home?
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Do you have any siblings?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
And we just he just gets to know me. And
later that day I found out that I booked it.
And that's how that's evidently how he casts kids is
he just gets to know them on just like a
personal level, and then and then from that he can
gauge whether they're good for the characters.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Such like such a direct and kind of have that
chemistry from an actor to a director.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Wow, crazy, that's yeah, amazing. Okay, so you shoot with
the smaller. Uh, Steven Spielberg guy, who again, maybe he'll make.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
It, who knows this is a tough business.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
I haven't checked in on him or anything.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I mean again, yeah, what have you done for me lately?
So when do you first hear about Lizzie maguire? Is
this just another audition coming across the pipe? Or is
this something where your agents call you.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Like, hey, Disney Channel really wants ama.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
No, this was just another audition, and you know it's
it's that Uh, I'm I'm sure both of you know
that building and to look Lake Burbank, that Disney Chan building.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
It's on that What the is? Then twenty first everyone.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Bubble guts going up the elevator. It's just like God,
here we go, Here we go.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
And you're out there in that hallway and it's there's
so many kids. And I I think I ended up
reading for Lizzy maybe four times. And then the last
time they were doing mixing match with just the family.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
And you know, I'm not really sure what set me
apart exactly.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
I think I was just I was just being goofy
and funny, like in between actually doing the audition. Uh.
And and I guess it just it clicked and we
shot the pilots. I don't want to say it was
like two thousand something like that, right, I was like
nine or ten.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
This was I think, actually this.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Couple of years for you. This is crazy. From like
eight to ten, you were just killing it. But what's
even crazier is this was overlapping with AI.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
With Spielberg, Oh okay, and and I.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Think at one point they were like, hey, he's not
gonna be able to do this pilot because he's gonna
be filming because the AI was like three over three months.
I think of filming for me, like he's gonna be
on that. They're not gonna be able to work it out.
And I'd already had to turn down another role to
do AI. I'd booked Pearl Harbor.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
What I booted Pearl Harbor.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
The opening scene where it's like them as kids. I
was gonna be one of those kids, and so I
had to turn that down.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
So like, it's just it is what it is. You're
you're gonna do the Spielberg movie.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
But man, Spielberg worked it out with Disney, Stan Rogun.
They they made it work and I got to do both.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
In the world.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Had you auditioned for Disney before, Like was it like some.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Have had you been in that that area, met like
Judy Taylor, but like met like the main people at
Disney before at all?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
You know, I don't think I had. I think this
was like probably my first role with uh with Disney casting.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Geez, That's that's incredible because I feel like so many times,
you know, the actors that get on, especially like one
of their necks. I mean, they knew, they had to
have known Lizzie MacGuire was going to be huge when
they were rolling it out right, I.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Don't know if they did, honestly, because it was such
a different format from everything else they had done.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
True, That's what I was gonna ask.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
So obviously you you get the script or the sides, whatever,
whatever's coming through. Did you know at this point, A,
had you heard of Hillary Duff at all?
Speaker 5 (20:58):
No?
Speaker 6 (20:58):
No, she was bright and shiny, right.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
She was pretty new. She had done Casper and that
was it.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
She had done Casper.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
That was big.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
And B did you know animation was going to be
part of it when you started?
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I don't think I knew too much about the animation
side of it. And and honestly at that first pilot
format wise is it still feels very.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Different from what the rest of the series ended up being.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
I think our pilot episode is technically in the full
run of things like episode three, which is kind of weird.
Oh but yeah, I you know, it ended up evolving
quite a bit, and especially for me too, I ended
up being the B story, which from the get go
was never the plan that they had. I was just
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supposed to be kind of like just this background kind
of character. And then I guess they saw that like, oh,
you know, we need we need something.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Were good.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
It's good was the boys and everything, because I don't
want to watch the girls all the time, and and
so they threw that in. And you know, it's also important,
you know, scheduling wise, as I've learned, you know, working
with kids, is that you can't just always film with
the same kids all day long.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
You have to have, you know, a M B story
to split everything up.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, that makes sense. And did you get along? The
cast get along right from the jump?
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Oh yeah, I think I think we were all pretty
close from the get going. I've got a photo somewhere
of just all of us, like in a big dog
pile on like the first episode.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Now, are you the youngest of three personally or the
person personal personally?
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yes, okay, so I am too okay, And so I'm
curious how did you weave little brother into playing little brother?
How much of it was real life of little brother stuff?
Because again, as the youngest of three myself, you know
that that kid affect your your character.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
I mean, I don't think I was ever very like
prankster anything like that. I was just I was just
I like to joke around. I like to make my
own kind of characters. I used to have like a
little like tape recorder thing and I would just record
my own radio variety shows kind of thing. I just
I love goofing around a new character. I just think
(23:24):
part of it definitely translated into the show for sure.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Yes, yeah, you had all the like little kind of
gadget type things.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
And yeah, well here's the other thing that I was
amazed about, because again I'm I'm a little old for
Lizzie McGuire, so i'd never seen it.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I saw.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
The only thing I saw was the movie, which you know,
we recap the film, but like everybody else, because Lizzie
McGuire was so in the zeitgeist. I assumed that the
show did four or five seasons.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
There was only two.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Am I right, two seasons. We did sixty five episodes
in two years. Okay, so you.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Hit the sixty five number with Disney. They just threw
it all together, right.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Two questions. First of all, how long after you started
shooting or it started airing?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Did you know this was something in the public eye
because everyone had heard of Lizzie McGuire by that pay Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
You know, I think when it finally started hitting me
was you know, when we started the show, I was
in the fifth grade and I was still going to
like public school and my teacher was having to facts homework.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Yeah, And.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
I think like halfway through fifth grade when I when
we weren't filming and I was back in school, the
promos started playing.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
For like it's a brand new show Lizzie McGuire, and.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Kids started coming up to me, kids that I've I've
known because I went to this elementary school, you know,
first grade, fifth and kids coming up to me like.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Hey, we were you the Were you the kid?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Would?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Are you the And it was like, well, yeah, yeah,
that's that's me. Because all the other work that I'd done.
None of my peers in.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Element right, they were older movies.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
They're now watching the self You're you're elementary school. They weren't.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
Yeah strange, They're like, hey, I what.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
But that's when it kind of like I guess started
to hit home of like what it was to be
like recognizable.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
Yeah right, it was cool. I mean it was crazy.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
The crazy thing is and we talked about this a lot.
Is the channel too.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
I mean they just kept refiltering, and I mean it
was like if you watched the Disney Channel, you saw
an episode of Lizzie Maguire like seventeen times within one week,
Like they were constantly redoing it. That's the same thing
why why people are like such crazy fanatics of dcom's
back in the days, because they just replayed it over
and over. There was nothing else on the channel but
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to watch these d cooms or the channel shows. So
it's like that helped just put the shows on like
such a bigger level. And I feel like, especially show wise,
I don't besides the Jersey and Jet Jackson like there,
this was like the next biggest thing that they were doing,
and they put all their muscle behind the Lizzie McGuire
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franchise machine.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
So it was pumping everyone. All your friends were seeing it.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Everyone was seeing it unless they were just not watching
the channel at all.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Then that that leads me to my second question, which is,
did you think at sixty five that.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
They were just going to be you guys are done,
or because.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
It was everywhere, did you think there was another there
was a chance to do more episodes?
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Actually, so during the initial run, I think once we
got to like season two, they started playing episodes on.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
I think it was like ABC Mornings.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Okay, which was like whoa, we're on Yeah?
Speaker 6 (26:58):
What was that?
Speaker 4 (26:59):
That was called ABC Family?
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Maybe it wasn't Family.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
It was Saturday Morning, isn't that?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Yeah, all right, which, by the way, the residuals because
you're on network TV, there were yeah, different. But they
started doing that during our like kind of second year,
and then all of a sudden there was talks of Okay,
we're going to move to ABC primetime. We're a primetime
it's going to follow Lizzie through high school.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Oh, which I bet you would have been on like
the equivalent of like the TGI F bok at the time.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
You know, right, Yeah, and then unfortunately just it just
fell apart. It just it just fell apart, and they
ended up. The consolation prize was doing the movie.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Movie okay, right, which we have to talk about.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Yes, at what point, like during the end of it,
like as you were starting to film, you know, were
they starting to go you know, obviously when that didn't happen,
then it was like, okay, we're going to transition into
doing a full blown movie now with you guys, Like,
was that as you were finishing up the last bit
because Miranda wasn't in the movie and I I was
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shocked by that because her relationship with Lizzie was so
strong and such a big part of the show.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Wait a second, So this is the character they mentioned
at the beginning because I was wondering about that. They're like,
somebody told me before the only thing I need to
know going in she has two best friends, she has
a brother, all that stuff. And I was like, well,
I only see one best friend, and they're like, well,
somebody's in Mexico City.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Was this a major character of the show?
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Major and we've seen her on a d.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Com that was you wish? Because I was going to
be in that one, Oh you wish?
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Yes, yes, okay, okay, and Spencer, my boy, Spencer Breslin
filled in.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yes, Spencer President, Yeah, okay, there we go.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Okay, nice, Okay. So that was you were you were
going to possibly do you wish?
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Wow?
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Yeah okay.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
So then why why I'm sorry if I interrupted you,
but I want to make sure I got it wrecked.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Then why wasn't she in the movie?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
So Lelane wasn't in the last handful of episodes of
the main series. And I mean it's this has been
something that's also kind of like been documented, I guess
more in recent years and everything. But I mean there's
just teenage girls being teenage girls.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
So it was it was a personalities thing kind of yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Okay. Wow.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Am I crazy to think in my head that she
also was pursuing a singing career?
Speaker 6 (29:22):
Was she singing? She was right, Okay.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
She toured for a long time as well, and then
was with the band for a while.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yes, she was more of a band. She was not
doing pop music. She was like a part of a band. Okay,
I remember that.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
I think she had she had Laline had solo stuff too,
though I think at the beginning.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
I think she had some stuff that was actually on
the channel.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
If I remember, I got this whole brain of mind
trying to like click things back a little, but I yes, yeah,
because she was cool. I thought she was awesome. She
was like a little rocker. I loved it.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
I love Alane.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Okay, so when's the last time you watched it?
Speaker 5 (30:02):
The last time I watched Lizzie oh?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Man?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Oh no, the movie specifically, specifically movies specifically.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Yes, Oh, I think it's been a while, as it's
probably been a while. And yet I have friends who
right now are in Rome for a wedding and they
did the whole meme of like singing lip syncing the
song at the coliseum, and I just messaged it was like.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
We never were there, that we film met there at all?
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Okay, that I have to know, because I was like,
I jet, well, it was a while ago. Now we've
been married for a while. But for my honeymoon, Rome
was a big part of where we went, and we
did a giant, like eleven hour tour of seeing like
all these places where that look like you guys were
filmed at. So what did you actually what was actually.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
Filmed on location? In what was Green screen. I gotta go.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I gotta know it was the fountains was real, right,
the found just real.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I believe vy fountain looked real. Yeah, it looked real.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
They I think they filmed for like two weeks.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Fablo was was ai right. Okay, he wasn't really, he
wasn't real.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
He was Green's Green dead.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
But the rest of it, the rest of it, so yeah,
I okay, the.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
Only shot in two weeks.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
See the whole time, I'm going, damn, Lizzie here, I'm thinking,
Barcelona's rad This is so awesome.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
How long are they in Italy? Okay, only two weeks? Dang,
that really bought my bubble.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Hey, if you want to, if you were really be
let down. I never went to Rome. I have never
been to Italy.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
What, yes you have? I saw in the movie you
were on the I watched it.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
You were in the hotel, really clear.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
So where did you shoot that? Your dad's all here
in La Vancouver, which I love.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
We spent I think probably two or three months in Vancouver,
and I absolutely love Vancouver.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Okay, it's a beautiful place.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
But it's it's no, It's definitely not.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
It is not.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
No, it is not.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
But that makes that makes sense though, Okay, because you
know most of the channel we kind of see like
their main places are like Toronto, Vancouver's in and out,
and then like at least you just like hend to
Salt Lake City, that's where.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
You're going to be.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Okay, so you still have never even been to the
places that on the screen you've been to.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Yeah, oh man, that is so wild. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
You know, there is a huge just rage of nostalgia
that's happening with the Disney with Disney Plus now re
airing TV shows, re airing d coms, move everything that
was kind of in that early two thousands, late nineties,
they're just like pumping them out and now you're getting
like a whole new generation of fans.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
What has that been like?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
It's been kind of insane, just because it feels like
this resurgence is is I don't know, it feels like
almost like Liz Maguire, especially the movie has become just
part of the culture, which is so yeah, I mean
it's a fantastic thing.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
I'm so grateful for that.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
But I mean it's like Sabrina Carpenter is wearing a
Halloween costume that is Lizzy from the movie and then all.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
These other celebrities're like, this is insane.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
How is this still How are we still talking about it?
How is it still like so iconic now? And it's
I don't fully understand it, but I love it. I'm
here for it.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, there was a reboot planned in like twenty twenty, right.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
There was more than a reboot planned. We shot two episodes.
Oh oh.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Yeah, I did not know that.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
Oh yeah. So this was at the end of twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
We filmed two episodes and we were going into a
winter hiatus, and we were going to come back the
first week of like or second week of January, and
during the time during the break, they were going to
do just nothing but like audience testing the first two
episodes and kind of seeing like where does this need
to go? And they were going to write everything they
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needed for that first season during that break, because they
hadn't written everything out for the full season yet.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
And during that time.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
They kind of figured out, Okay, we want to go
kind of in this direction, and the writing team kind
of was already headed in a different direction and it
just kind of fell apart unfortunately, and.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Much like the Sticky Weed, she sells. Yeah, exactly, there
you are.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Okay, but they.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
You know, Disney it was it was still pre Disney
Plus launching, so they didn't even know exactly what they
wanted the whole platform to be. And yet I think
there were some adult themes that they were going to
explore within the series, because I mean, you know, it's
it's inevitable. It's you've got a whole, you know, set
of millennials, and it's they're dealing with adult things. And
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I think had the show start or the reboots started
to come together today, I don't think it would have
been an issue.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
I really don't.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
But because it was then, it was they were being
very careful and then COVID happened and then just everything
just kind of fell apart from there.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
But it's unfortunately, I mean, it was cute. I saw
the first two episodes.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
I got to watch them on an iPhone.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
Was the whole cast back? Was everyone back for it?
Speaker 4 (35:33):
They were pretty much bringing everybody back?
Speaker 6 (35:36):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Cool?
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Was it fun to shoot the two episodes?
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Oh? It was so much fun.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
No time had passed, You're just back and kind of.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
You know, it's it's really weird because it was just
it was surreal.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
It felt like a dream a little bit.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
And to this day, I mean, I'm like, did that
really did that really happen?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Didn't really do it?
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Because they recreated the entire Maguire House interior and and
so you're just walking to.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
That was like, oh my god, that would be wild.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
You're back.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
And then and then even down to the degree of
like when we I think it was probably sometime during
the first season. We would do our table reads every Wednesday,
and before we would start doing I don't even know
how we started this, but before we would start reading
the episode, we would all just sing the theme song.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
It's just like, it's really weird. It felt it probably
felt a little bit culty, and but we would just.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
If you were coming in as a guest cast, you'd
be like, this is weird.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
But we would all just sing the theme song.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
And so when we had the table read for the
two episodes of the reboot, we sang the theme song.
Oh my god, yeah, and I was like, this is cool.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
This is so weird.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
That's it's weird. But if that's what you did.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
That is so cool to read, like bring it back
full circle. Do everything the way you guys used to do,
and now especially the whole cast is now adults, like
you know, like, ooh did you like did you like.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Where your character was, like where they took your character
or no.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
I did. I liked it a lot.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
He was just gonna be like just annoyingly just very successful,
and I love that it was like vague exactly what
he does, but he's.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
Got his own like.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yes, oh man, Okay, So we always have to ask
do you keep in touch with anybody from the show?
Speaker 5 (37:47):
You know, I keep in touch with everyone, kind of loosely.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
I mean Clayton Snyder who played Ethan Kraft, I'll see
him every once in a while, Bobby Carrodine and Hallie
Todd who played my parents. I probably talked to them,
I think the most ahead of everyone, because they honestly
feel like.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
An not an uncle to me.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, yeah, yes, TV parents can be very important.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Yeah, and uh and then every once in a while
I'll see I'll see Hillary at the farmer's market, but.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
That just knocks the organic squash out of her hand
and run away. I love right, Yeah exactly, yeah.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Record her reaction and reaction. So were you so you are?
Are you still LA based.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Then I am, yeah, okay, cool, Yeah, that's cool that
you can run into like an old cold star.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
Just like a market. Come on, that doesn't get any
more LA than that.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
That's hey, Star.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Is literally my neighbor on a walk and I'll be
like hey, Danielle.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
So it's it's the way it works, all right.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Now. I have to ask, because I'm a big nerd
and I always have been a bigger nerd. How do
you wake up one day and say I'm going to
make a video game.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
Well I'm not. I'm not making a video game. I'm
just acting in one.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
But I mean still, like, it's why why decide to
do that all of a sudden?
Speaker 4 (39:08):
You know this is mine's eye, right, this is mine's
I So I you know, I I've done a handful
of voiceover stuff before, and will you by all means,
are are a voiceover master?
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Compared to like this stuff that I like, I've done
like just like three or four things. It's it's been.
It's been very small.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
And I did a video game when like when I
was a kid, and that was like.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
It was cool. It's like for a PlayStation two.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Game way back when which is just it's called Brave
the Search for Spirit Dancer. It was a it was
a very indie small game, okay, but I played the title.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Character Brave, and it's that experience.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
It's so much fun.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
It's so much fun.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
That experience though, was like, Okay, I'm in the studio
and I have to give me like twenty different sounds
for like, if you're doing an attack, okay, yeah, attack ye,
juliding until range.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
And so you know, I hadn't really auditioned for any
other voiceover video games since then, maybe like here and
there every once in a while, but I hadn't done
any and then this one kind of comes across my
desk that was a voiceover audition, but they wanted to
see me on camera.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
Yeah, And I was like, okay, so I, I.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
You know, just did it like a normal self tape
audition and uh. And I ended up booking it and
still did not know exactly the extent of what the
project was because it was also like kind of like AI.
It was very secretive, and the whole thing is is
basically acting but also voice acting. You're on camera, but
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you're not on.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Camera, so you did you do the MOCAP stuff.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
I did a step above mo cap. I did performance capture.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
Okay, you have all the dots and everything in your suit,
but you have a helmet that you're wearing that has
an arm that stretches out front and has two cameras
that are tracking your facial movements, and then everything's run
into a computer that's on your chest. And so everything
that you do on this volume stage, all the movements,
all the facial movements, everything is being recorded and then
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put into a digital a digital representation.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
I've never done it. I've never done it.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
It's just insane.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah, it seems like fun.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
And for the project, is it that.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
It wasn't too bad?
Speaker 6 (41:44):
Are burning up you?
Speaker 5 (41:45):
Honestly?
Speaker 6 (41:47):
With the balls?
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Like they kept the stage pretty cold. And I will
say it's been so different from anything else that I've
done in my acting career in that yeah, okay, you've
got the suit, but like there's no wardrobe beyond that,
there's no hair and makeup, there's no cameras, there's no lighting,
there's nothing else to worry about except for just being
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there on the little tiny volume with the other actors
acting everything out and then pretending like, oh that is
happening over there, and then that's happening over there, and then.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
This right here. That's a car, So just be sure.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
When you get in you have to duck down low enough.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Oh my gosh, it's a totally different kind of acting.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
It's a totally different kind of act.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
That's really really wow, that's amazing. Okay, so much last question.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
First of all, thank you so much for taking the
time to answer all these questions, because we have.
Speaker 6 (42:45):
All over the place. I know, I'm just such a cool,
different kind of career.
Speaker 5 (42:49):
It's it's amazing talk about.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
But last question, what do you think the legacy of
Lizzie McGuire is going to be?
Speaker 5 (42:57):
That's a great question.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
I mean, man, I I I honestly hope that it's
like we're doing the seventieth anniversary, not the seventieth and
we've all be dead by then.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
I was gonna say that's an anniversary.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Maybe the fiftieth anniversary, like they're doing some like TV special.
It's not gonna be TV TV's not gonna exist. Maybe
it's it's the streaming to different Yeah, different word, it's
the streaming to your brain special of like, and now
we're remembering fifty years down the road and it's just
gonna be Yeah, But I don't know, maybe it's that
(43:37):
I really I really don't know. You know, it's the
fact that it's it's held such a strong, you know,
memory for people this far down the road.
Speaker 5 (43:51):
Twenty five years down the road.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
I is a blessing and a total surprise to me.
So I mean, anything beyond that, I'll be amazed and surprised.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
So yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
This show was so great because it Sabrina was a
big fan. I loved her because she was quirky but
like cool, even though she wasn't like the cool kid
at school. And I just feel like, like, for me,
I loved that that character for her because that's kind
of how I felt at school, Like I was I
had friends that were cool, but I was certainly not
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the cool one, you know. I just kind of actually
just like liked me and I could dance and I
was on the dance team with that type of thing.
But like it was but at the same time, she
was just she was such a cool kid in the heart,
like she was just like a really good friend, you know.
Speaker 6 (44:41):
She always tried to do the right thing. And then
you know, I always.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
I mean the kiss in the movie finally for her
Gordo was like a win, Like, yes, I.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Knew nothing of this, Yeah, I knew nothing of the stories,
but I knew that that kiss mattered. This was obviously
something that had expanded it out. The best friend going
to the the getting out of the friend zone, Like
this was all even I knew that was special.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
I could tell that was a special thing.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
And I think it was so true in what happens
with girls at that age where you have like guy
friends that you get to like get to know, but
like you develop feelings for them because you're going through
that weird stage. And like she got the kiss with
her with her best friend who was a good friend
for her too, like it was awesome.
Speaker 5 (45:24):
And then she immediately dumped him after the flight.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
And then she still wanted to get that Italian loffer
back to the States, that little lose.
Speaker 6 (45:34):
I know it, I knew it absolutely.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Oh God, Jake, thank you so much for joining us.
And I'm glad it's Jake and not whoever would have
won the name contest.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
That would have been weird whatever they came up with.
But to the man who's literally been on TV since
the day he was.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
Born, seriously and doing all the things, all the things,
hitting the TV, hitting the movies, hitting the video games.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Right, I mean, my career so far, and it's seriously
so thank you so much for joining us, and come back.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
We'll pick a we'll pick a fun decom and you
can watch with us.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
I would love that. Thank you so much for having me.
Thanks you bye.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
God's so funny.
Speaker 6 (46:16):
I want to do a video game now, That's all
I want to do.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
I want to do that as well. I've always wanted
to do that.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Apparently they like and you're not going to like this,
and neither of my Apparently they prefer people that are
taller for video games. Like it's like kind of the
sick for for men, at least the kind of the
six foot level. So I know a lot of my
friends that do a ton of video games are usually
on the on the taller side tall.
Speaker 5 (46:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
I don't know why, but that's maybe that's more for
motion capture than it is for for character capture.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
My stubby little body is just out of the count.
There is no way that is happening.
Speaker 6 (46:49):
I better find another dream, you know, find another dreams
you're tall.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
To some people, you're tall, Sabrina. That's how I like
my four year old. Hey, there you go to your
four year old. You are That's how it works.
Speaker 6 (47:01):
So true.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Oh man, Well, thank you everybody for joining us, Thank
you Jake for joining us. So interesting the career he's had.
It's just been and still going.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
But I mean, I know, just amazing booking all over
the place and again literally on TV since the day
he was born.
Speaker 6 (47:14):
That was cool. That was cool to find out.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Yeah, so join us next time where we are going
to be doing something a little bit special. We're going
out of the box a little bit because we will
be recapping the Disney Channel games that Sabrina has talked
about so often.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
My favorite movies on the channel. I cannot wait to
relive them.
Speaker 6 (47:37):
So fun. So it's so fun.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
There you go, the Disney Channel games.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
The season we watched if everybody wants to watch along
is the one that's on Disney Plus.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
I think it was done eight. It was the third
and final season.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Yes, if you just look up Sabrina loses, you're gonna
get all the time she's there, but.
Speaker 7 (47:53):
Right there, Yes, yellow in Yellow loses in Yellow, But yes,
we're gonna be rec happy the Disney Channel games, and
we might have some fun guests talking to us about
that as well, So join us next time.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Bye everybody,
And thank you everybody for joining us in this Park
Copper episode of Magical Rewind. I'm going to start saying
it like that from now on Magical Rewind.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I've never said this before, but we got a special
one today.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I think I say that every episode, but they're always special,
and that's the way it is.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Well, this one's good because it's like kind of like
an OG at this point. You know, he's young on
the channel, he's like an OG at this point.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
He's not only an OG, but the show really kind
of exemplifies a certain era of the Channel.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yes, it really does. Well, we'll let him tell us
all about that.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
And for everybody out there, in case you're wondering who
it is, it's mister Jake Thomas from Lizzie McGuire.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Hello, Hey, how are you good?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I'm good? Thank you? You look very different than the
Lizzie MacGuire movie that I watched last night for the Yeah,
that's like time has passed.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
A little bit at.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Yeah, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Sabrina was just saying, and I have to agree that
you're essentially you're one of the Ogs.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
You're one of the Disney Channel ogs.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
I'm proud to be that that's I love it. I
love it.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Wild to think, I mean especially, I don't know when
the last time you really like watched an episode or
watched the movie. But you obviously were really young, so
it's funny to kind.
Speaker 6 (01:36):
Of call you an OG.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
But truly you were a part of a show that
like defined what Disney was doing at that time. Like
it was like a true like through and through just
amazing Disney Channel that I feel like, for the first
time in a long time, created this crazy fan base.
Like people were wild about Lizzie Maguire and every single
(02:02):
one of your characters. Like your show definitely had these
different characters that you could find someone in your show.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
I was a huge fan. You could find somebody in.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
The show that you like, really like loved and spoke to,
you know, And I loved your character, especially because you
were that little brother that was pesky but like hilarious
and then also had a bully who was your best friend,
which was always fun to watch you guys interact.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Yeah, like you just had your whole.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
Character was like multi dimensional. It was awesome.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
It was really everybody was kind of multi dimensional. Which
was great. I mean, everybody had a heart.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
It was nice.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Well that's what Disney does better than anybody, still is
the heart?
Speaker 5 (02:41):
All right?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Well, before we get into that, yeah, let's get we
like to find out how you ended up on television
in the first place. How where did you grow up,
and how did you decide the entertainment industry is for
me kind.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Of by accident, honestly. So my parent were both in
kind of local entertainment industry. I'm originally from Knoxville, Tennessee,
and my dad was on the radio for a very
long time. He was a morning DJ and my mom
was a news anchor and she had a she had
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like a like a daytime local show that she would
do and they would do.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Local commercials and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
But leading up to my birth, there was like a countdown,
there was like a naming contest on.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
The news for it. It was like a local event.
And that's so neat, and.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Yeah, I think they were. They reported live from the
hospital the day I was born. And so there's footage
of me, and I have it somewhere. It's the footage
of me like the day I'm born, and I'm on
TV as news.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
So kind.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I kind of got involved in it through them, and
I was just kind of always around that, at least
on a low, cool basis, until I was like five
or six. And at that point my parents decided, Hey,
we're gonna move to LA for like six months. We're
gonna try it. We're going to see what we can do.
They quit their jobs. They were like six months, if
(04:13):
it doesn't work out, then we'll come back. But my
mom had been going back and forth between LA and
Tennessee and had gotten an agent and had gotten some
small roles, and they were like, I think we have
a chance at this, and so I went with them
at six years old, arriving what it was April first,
was my first.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Day in LA and.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
At the time, at six years old, I wanted to
be nothing more than a stand up comedian.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
And so I just knows six year old kids exactly astronaut, cowboys,
stand up comedian, yes.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Exactly, in that order, in that order.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
And so I just had a bunch of jokes and
I would just tell them to anyone who would give
me the time of day. And one time it ended
up being my mom's agent when she went to a
meeting and took me into and the agent was like,
you'd be great for the youth department, and I'm like, okay,
we can, we can try it out, and then it
just snowballed.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Okay, wait, two questions before we go any farther. One
was Jake the name that won the contest? Were you
actually named after somebody who won the contest?
Speaker 7 (05:18):
No?
Speaker 6 (05:18):
Okay, not at all, that's so funny.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And Two, do you buy any chance remember any of
the jokes you knew when you were six?
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Man?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
I think they were all just honestly really pointless, Like
there was no punchline that was there. It was all
about the delivery, which has taught me so much in life.
It doesn't matter what you're saying if it makes sense,
as long as you sound good saying it.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Oh my goods true. True.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I have a question though, because I know you were little,
but how did your parents Like I've always I listened
to you know this the radio in the morning, and
I always think of, like, how do these radio.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Stars like they go to bed at well?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Like, I mean, I feel like if I was having
to be up on air that early, at like four
o'clock in the afternoon, is when I'd have to be going,
so like your dad would be gone and then he
would basically what come back, and then your mom would
go to her like that is just like essentially wild.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Yeah, And my grandmother would watch me sometimes in the
mornings when I was a kid, and my dad would
always say hi to me on the radio and be like.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
All right, Jake, have a good day. Kindergarten school or
what was at preschool?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I can't remember, but but yeah, I mean my dad
still does radio, and it's it's the whole schedule of
you know, going to bed real early and then waking
up at four am to be down the station. And
then by the time he gets home around like ten,
he's taken the nap.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Yeah, he's taking He's out for.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Like an hour. I couldn't. I couldn't imagine. Okay, so
you're you.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Come to LA now?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Is Third Rock from the Sun the first thing.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
That you do? You know?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
So I had done a handful of commercials. That was
the first thing that I did. Was and that's what
honestly prompted us staying out in LA for uh for
good uh was I booked just national commercial after national
commercial after national commercial.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
It was like crazy, Yeah, and and I mean.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Look, if you're six years old and you're cute and
you just do nothing but yap like, they'll put you
in front of the cameras. It's true.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeahmer, Remembering your lines is super important. Following direction you get,
you get. Most six year olds can't do that. So
when they find one who is not only personable and
but can remember the lines, listens to direction, you're.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Gonna be in everything.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
But then soon after that was Third Rock from the Sun,
and that was I think my first television appearance, and
I I still remember to this day. My only scene
was just an exterior shot, uh for one scene with
John Lithgow and I. We we went and watched actually
(08:11):
the the live taping for all the stuff in the
studio and John lyth Gow brought me up on stage
and he just announced the whole audience that was there.
Everyone listen. I want you to I want you to
meet Jake. Remember his name. You will know him in
the future. I'm awesome, isn't he the nicest?
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Is the nicest guy?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
And I did a Third Rock from the Sun first
of all, shot right next to Boy Meets World, so
we might have Radford and he I never met him.
I was shooting with just Joseph and he was somewhere else.
And for the next ten years, after having never met
the guy, I got a Christmas card every single year
from John lig.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Whoa thank god, this is that insane.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I think just as I was on the show, He's like, oh,
this is another guest star. I want to make sure
you are wish to merry Christmas. Every year for years after,
I still got a marry.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Isn't that insane?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Okay, so you're nine years old. You do Third Rock
from the Sun. This is a big deal. It's huge.
But were you a Disney and Disney Channel fan growing
up at the time, and if so, sub question what
were your favorite shows and what were you watching?
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Oh man, Okay, so I this.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Is kind of weird.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
But I distinctly remember coming back one day from elementary
school and shout out Riverside Drive Elementary and and remembering
hearing that we were going to get the Disney Channel
on cable and that it was coming and then and
I was so excited about that. And I remember the
(09:56):
shows distinctly that I loved watching were Let's See the Jersey,
which was great show. Wow about a magical jersey that
hear cast of characters into a pro athlete.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Yeah, great idea, fantastic idea.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
And then the I guess this was probably around the
same era too, but the famous Jed Jackson, which had
to have been I think that was my number one favorite.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Okay, okay, so you are so then you are a
Disney fan. Oh yeah, going in, Do you have.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
Any d coms that you remember that you loved d coms?
Speaker 5 (10:31):
I mean Luck of the Irish was a great one
of the Irish? One man? What was looking back? Like?
What was probably my favorite?
Speaker 7 (10:45):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (10:45):
What was it? The one with Revieeve?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Pixel Perfect?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Pixel perfect? So perfect? Okay, yes we did. We covered pixel.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Perfect with the with the Andorous is another good one there.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
All great, it's so funny.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
We have all of our producers so you know, they
do a lot of podcasts iHeart and you know you've
got producers that are doing ten or fifteen different shows.
All of our producers are so decome and Disney fanatically
locked in that anytime anybody says anything, the chat pops
up with.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Pixel perfect or whatever it is instantly at the bottom.
We get we get yeah, d C.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Google is working for our stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Okay, before but before we get into again that, you
have to stop first at what is a huge cult favorite,
The Cell. Oh yeah, where you get to play young
Vincent Dianafrio. You're also working with Jennifer Lopez. What is
what are you ten eleven? By this point, I'm I
think eight eighty nine? Oh my, okay, So what is
(11:45):
it like shooting? Shooting with you know, Dinafrio, who are
here is can be intense, Oh, very intense.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
He and Jennifer Lopez did not interact whatsoever during all
of filming. Donafrio stayed in character and and to to
a degree that when we had to do There's there's
a there's a shot where we're inside. If you're not
familiar with the movie, it's a crazy movie where it
(12:13):
takes place inside the mind of a serial killer who's
in a coma, and Jeff Lopez has to go inside
of his brain and kind of decipher things. And I
play young Vincentinofrio as a child is like where his
issues came from and everything where the trauma is not
a good pitch for a dcom by the way, this
is really not. But there's this one scene where we're
(12:36):
in like this like water tank kind of set, and
it's this massive stage that has to be filled with
I think about like two feet of water and and
there's there's this shot where Dnofrio comes up behind me
and grabs me and he's like me, like, this is like,
this is mine, but he wanted to rehearse that, and
(12:56):
so he comes up and grabs me and does that.
But then in the process of that, my wardrobe gets
soaked and this is just a rehearsal and they're like,
all right, well, let's open up the tank, go get
him changed. That takes another twenty minutes to go and
do that, and then we come back and I think
he does it again.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
And we're like okay, but no, that.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Was That was a crazy, crazy movie. But everyone on
that was just fantastic to work with.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
It was a very.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Scary movie for an eight year old watched. I didn't
even at the premiere get to watch the entire thing.
My dad took me in and out of the theater
because he knew what scenes were coming and he's like,
all right, yeah, come on, come on, oh wow, that
is a movie.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Until I was an adult, oh my god, I didn't
get to.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Watch the movie I was in because I was too
young and it would have given me nightmares.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, after that, you went on.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
To work with a smaller director. I don't know if
I'm pronouncing this right.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Steve spell spellbeer spellbeer.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Yeah, stevens.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
If he went on to do anything else and he
was also working with Stanley Kubrick, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's Steven Spielberg and Stanley Kubrick in AI and you
have a gigantic part.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
What huge?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
First of all, I always.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Like to ask when it comes to something like this,
did you One of the reasons I think child actors
are can be so good at what they do and
so resilient through the audition process is because maybe they
don't understand the weight of the project that they're doing.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, and this is something that you felt like it was.
This is just I'm going for another audition, Like what
was that process like? Or did you know what this was?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Oh? You you hit the nail round on the head.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
It's I had absolutely no fear at nine years old,
Steven Miss Spielberg, who.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Right, right?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
But nowadays it's mind boggling. I got to be a
part of Kubrick's technically a last film yes, which is insane. No,
I mean that that entire audition process too, was was
so fascinating looking back on it because the script for it,
because it was co written by Kubrick and uh Spielberg,
(15:16):
they it was it was so secretive. It was so
secret So even the audition, the scene that they have
for the audition was I think from the movie Radio Flyer.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Oh interesting, you read anything from the movie.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Mocking didn't even have like really a character description, if
I'm if I'm remembering it right.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Do you remember there being like was there a was
this like a big audition with a lot of like
showing up with a lot of kids that look like
you or was it like, no, they like already find tooth, probably.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
Picked you from the prior movie or something.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
I don't know exactly. I don't remember that detail. But
what I do remember is going in for casting and
reading for the first time with the casting director.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
And my parents have told me this so many times, but.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
I came back out of the out of the casting
office and I told my dad, Yeah, We're never gonna
hear from them again.
Speaker 8 (16:11):
Because I thought that I had just an honorably in
the audition, and I think. The next day, we got
a call and it was, yeah, Steven Spielberg would like
to meet with him.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
So we went to this.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Office that they had on Warner Brothers. And I had
my sides ready with like radio flyer and I go
into the room.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
I'm the only other kid there. No one else is there.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
It's just me and walk in and it's Spielberg at
a table with another chair and then aligning the whole
room is like six seven executives, and Spielberg is like,
don't worry about the script.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
We're not going to do that. We're just going to talk.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
We talked for like fifteen minutes and he just asks
me like, oh, do you have you know, any pets
at home?
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Do you have any siblings?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
And we just he just gets to know me. And
later that day I found out that I booked it.
And that's how that's evidently how he casts kids is
he just gets to know them on just like a
personal level, and then and then from that he can
gauge whether they're good for the characters.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Such like such a direct and kind of have that
chemistry from an actor to a director.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Wow, crazy, that's yeah, amazing. Okay, so you shoot with
the smaller. Uh, Steven Spielberg guy, who again, maybe he'll make.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
It, who knows this is a tough business.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
I haven't checked in on him or anything.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I mean again, yeah, what have you done for me lately?
So when do you first hear about Lizzie maguire? Is
this just another audition coming across the pipe? Or is
this something where your agents call you.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Like, hey, Disney Channel really wants ama.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
No, this was just another audition, and you know it's
it's that Uh, I'm I'm sure both of you know
that building and to look Lake Burbank, that Disney Chan building.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
It's on that What the is? Then twenty first everyone.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Bubble guts going up the elevator. It's just like God,
here we go, Here we go.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
And you're out there in that hallway and it's there's
so many kids. And I I think I ended up
reading for Lizzy maybe four times. And then the last
time they were doing mixing match with just the family.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
And you know, I'm not really sure what set me
apart exactly.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
I think I was just I was just being goofy
and funny, like in between actually doing the audition. Uh.
And and I guess it just it clicked and we
shot the pilots. I don't want to say it was
like two thousand something like that, right, I was like
nine or ten.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
This was I think, actually this.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Couple of years for you. This is crazy. From like
eight to ten, you were just killing it. But what's
even crazier is this was overlapping with AI.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
With Spielberg, Oh okay, and and I.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Think at one point they were like, hey, he's not
gonna be able to do this pilot because he's gonna
be filming because the AI was like three over three months.
I think of filming for me, like he's gonna be
on that. They're not gonna be able to work it out.
And I'd already had to turn down another role to
do AI. I'd booked Pearl Harbor.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
What I booted Pearl Harbor.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
The opening scene where it's like them as kids. I
was gonna be one of those kids, and so I
had to turn that down.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
So like, it's just it is what it is. You're
you're gonna do the Spielberg movie.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
But man, Spielberg worked it out with Disney, Stan Rogun.
They they made it work and I got to do both.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
In the world.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Had you auditioned for Disney before, Like was it like some.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Have had you been in that that area, met like
Judy Taylor, but like met like the main people at
Disney before at all?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
You know, I don't think I had. I think this
was like probably my first role with uh with Disney casting.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Geez, That's that's incredible because I feel like so many times,
you know, the actors that get on, especially like one
of their necks. I mean, they knew, they had to
have known Lizzie MacGuire was going to be huge when
they were rolling it out right, I.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Don't know if they did, honestly, because it was such
a different format from everything else they had done.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
True, That's what I was gonna ask.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
So obviously you you get the script or the sides, whatever,
whatever's coming through. Did you know at this point, A,
had you heard of Hillary Duff at all?
Speaker 5 (20:58):
No?
Speaker 6 (20:58):
No, she was bright and shiny, right.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
She was pretty new. She had done Casper and that
was it.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
She had done Casper.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
That was big.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
And B did you know animation was going to be
part of it when you started?
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I don't think I knew too much about the animation
side of it. And and honestly at that first pilot
format wise is it still feels very.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Different from what the rest of the series ended up being.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
I think our pilot episode is technically in the full
run of things like episode three, which is kind of weird.
Oh but yeah, I you know, it ended up evolving
quite a bit, and especially for me too, I ended
up being the B story, which from the get go
was never the plan that they had. I was just
(21:48):
supposed to be kind of like just this background kind
of character. And then I guess they saw that like, oh,
you know, we need we need something.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Were good.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
It's good was the boys and everything, because I don't
want to watch the girls all the time, and and
so they threw that in. And you know, it's also important,
you know, scheduling wise, as I've learned, you know, working
with kids, is that you can't just always film with
the same kids all day long.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
You have to have, you know, a M B story
to split everything up.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, that makes sense. And did you get along? The
cast get along right from the jump?
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Oh yeah, I think I think we were all pretty
close from the get going. I've got a photo somewhere
of just all of us, like in a big dog
pile on like the first episode.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Now, are you the youngest of three personally or the
person personal personally?
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yes, okay, so I am too okay, And so I'm
curious how did you weave little brother into playing little brother?
How much of it was real life of little brother stuff?
Because again, as the youngest of three myself, you know
that that kid affect your your character.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
I mean, I don't think I was ever very like
prankster anything like that. I was just I was just
I like to joke around. I like to make my
own kind of characters. I used to have like a
little like tape recorder thing and I would just record
my own radio variety shows kind of thing. I just
I love goofing around a new character. I just think
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part of it definitely translated into the show for sure.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Yes, yeah, you had all the like little kind of
gadget type things.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
And yeah, well here's the other thing that I was
amazed about, because again I'm I'm a little old for
Lizzie McGuire, so i'd never seen it.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I saw.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
The only thing I saw was the movie, which you know,
we recap the film, but like everybody else, because Lizzie
McGuire was so in the zeitgeist. I assumed that the
show did four or five seasons.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
There was only two.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Am I right, two seasons. We did sixty five episodes
in two years. Okay, so you.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Hit the sixty five number with Disney. They just threw
it all together, right.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Two questions. First of all, how long after you started
shooting or it started airing?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Did you know this was something in the public eye
because everyone had heard of Lizzie McGuire by that pay Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
You know, I think when it finally started hitting me
was you know, when we started the show, I was
in the fifth grade and I was still going to
like public school and my teacher was having to facts homework.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Yeah, And.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
I think like halfway through fifth grade when I when
we weren't filming and I was back in school, the
promos started playing.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
For like it's a brand new show Lizzie McGuire, and.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Kids started coming up to me, kids that I've I've
known because I went to this elementary school, you know,
first grade, fifth and kids coming up to me like.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Hey, we were you the Were you the kid?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Would?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Are you the And it was like, well, yeah, yeah,
that's that's me. Because all the other work that I'd done.
None of my peers in.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Element right, they were older movies.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
They're now watching the self You're you're elementary school. They weren't.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
Yeah strange, They're like, hey, I what.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
But that's when it kind of like I guess started
to hit home of like what it was to be
like recognizable.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
Yeah right, it was cool. I mean it was crazy.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
The crazy thing is and we talked about this a lot.
Is the channel too.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
I mean they just kept refiltering, and I mean it
was like if you watched the Disney Channel, you saw
an episode of Lizzie Maguire like seventeen times within one week,
Like they were constantly redoing it. That's the same thing
why why people are like such crazy fanatics of dcom's
back in the days, because they just replayed it over
and over. There was nothing else on the channel but
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to watch these d cooms or the channel shows. So
it's like that helped just put the shows on like
such a bigger level. And I feel like, especially show wise,
I don't besides the Jersey and Jet Jackson like there,
this was like the next biggest thing that they were doing,
and they put all their muscle behind the Lizzie McGuire
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franchise machine.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
So it was pumping everyone. All your friends were seeing it.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Everyone was seeing it unless they were just not watching
the channel at all.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Then that that leads me to my second question, which is,
did you think at sixty five that.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
They were just going to be you guys are done,
or because.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
It was everywhere, did you think there was another there
was a chance to do more episodes?
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Actually, so during the initial run, I think once we
got to like season two, they started playing episodes on.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
I think it was like ABC Mornings.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Okay, which was like whoa, we're on Yeah?
Speaker 6 (26:58):
What was that?
Speaker 4 (26:59):
That was called ABC Family?
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Maybe it wasn't Family.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
It was Saturday Morning, isn't that?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Yeah, all right, which, by the way, the residuals because
you're on network TV, there were yeah, different. But they
started doing that during our like kind of second year,
and then all of a sudden there was talks of Okay,
we're going to move to ABC primetime. We're a primetime
it's going to follow Lizzie through high school.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Oh, which I bet you would have been on like
the equivalent of like the TGI F bok at the time.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
You know, right, Yeah, and then unfortunately just it just
fell apart. It just it just fell apart, and they
ended up. The consolation prize was doing the movie.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Movie okay, right, which we have to talk about.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Yes, at what point, like during the end of it,
like as you were starting to film, you know, were
they starting to go you know, obviously when that didn't happen,
then it was like, okay, we're going to transition into
doing a full blown movie now with you guys, Like,
was that as you were finishing up the last bit
because Miranda wasn't in the movie and I I was
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shocked by that because her relationship with Lizzie was so
strong and such a big part of the show.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Wait a second, So this is the character they mentioned
at the beginning because I was wondering about that. They're like,
somebody told me before the only thing I need to
know going in she has two best friends, she has
a brother, all that stuff. And I was like, well,
I only see one best friend, and they're like, well,
somebody's in Mexico City.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Was this a major character of the show?
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Major and we've seen her on a d.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Com that was you wish? Because I was going to
be in that one, Oh you wish?
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Yes, yes, okay, okay, and Spencer, my boy, Spencer Breslin
filled in.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yes, Spencer President, Yeah, okay, there we go.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Okay, nice, Okay. So that was you were you were
going to possibly do you wish?
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Wow?
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Yeah okay.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
So then why why I'm sorry if I interrupted you,
but I want to make sure I got it wrecked.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Then why wasn't she in the movie?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
So Lelane wasn't in the last handful of episodes of
the main series. And I mean it's this has been
something that's also kind of like been documented, I guess
more in recent years and everything. But I mean there's
just teenage girls being teenage girls.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
So it was it was a personalities thing kind of yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Okay. Wow.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Am I crazy to think in my head that she
also was pursuing a singing career?
Speaker 6 (29:22):
Was she singing? She was right, Okay.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
She toured for a long time as well, and then
was with the band for a while.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yes, she was more of a band. She was not
doing pop music. She was like a part of a band. Okay,
I remember that.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
I think she had she had Laline had solo stuff too,
though I think at the beginning.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
I think she had some stuff that was actually on
the channel.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
If I remember, I got this whole brain of mind
trying to like click things back a little, but I yes, yeah,
because she was cool. I thought she was awesome. She
was like a little rocker. I loved it.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
I love Alane.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Okay, so when's the last time you watched it?
Speaker 5 (30:02):
The last time I watched Lizzie oh?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Man?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Oh no, the movie specifically, specifically movies specifically.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Yes, Oh, I think it's been a while, as it's
probably been a while. And yet I have friends who
right now are in Rome for a wedding and they
did the whole meme of like singing lip syncing the
song at the coliseum, and I just messaged it was like.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
We never were there, that we film met there at all?
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Okay, that I have to know, because I was like,
I jet, well, it was a while ago. Now we've
been married for a while. But for my honeymoon, Rome
was a big part of where we went, and we
did a giant, like eleven hour tour of seeing like
all these places where that look like you guys were
filmed at. So what did you actually what was actually.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
Filmed on location? In what was Green screen. I gotta go.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I gotta know it was the fountains was real, right,
the found just real.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I believe vy fountain looked real. Yeah, it looked real.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
They I think they filmed for like two weeks.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Fablo was was ai right. Okay, he wasn't really, he
wasn't real.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
He was Green's Green dead.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
But the rest of it, the rest of it, so yeah,
I okay, the.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
Only shot in two weeks.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
See the whole time, I'm going, damn, Lizzie here, I'm thinking,
Barcelona's rad This is so awesome.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
How long are they in Italy? Okay, only two weeks? Dang,
that really bought my bubble.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Hey, if you want to, if you were really be
let down. I never went to Rome. I have never
been to Italy.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
What, yes you have? I saw in the movie you
were on the I watched it.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
You were in the hotel, really clear.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
So where did you shoot that? Your dad's all here
in La Vancouver, which I love.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
We spent I think probably two or three months in Vancouver,
and I absolutely love Vancouver.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Okay, it's a beautiful place.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
But it's it's no, It's definitely not.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
It is not.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
No, it is not.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
But that makes that makes sense though, Okay, because you
know most of the channel we kind of see like
their main places are like Toronto, Vancouver's in and out,
and then like at least you just like hend to
Salt Lake City, that's where.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
You're going to be.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Okay, so you still have never even been to the
places that on the screen you've been to.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Yeah, oh man, that is so wild. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
You know, there is a huge just rage of nostalgia
that's happening with the Disney with Disney Plus now re
airing TV shows, re airing d coms, move everything that
was kind of in that early two thousands, late nineties,
they're just like pumping them out and now you're getting
like a whole new generation of fans.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
What has that been like?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
It's been kind of insane, just because it feels like
this resurgence is is I don't know, it feels like
almost like Liz Maguire, especially the movie has become just
part of the culture, which is so yeah, I mean
it's a fantastic thing.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
I'm so grateful for that.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
But I mean it's like Sabrina Carpenter is wearing a
Halloween costume that is Lizzy from the movie and then all.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
These other celebrities're like, this is insane.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
How is this still How are we still talking about it?
How is it still like so iconic now? And it's
I don't fully understand it, but I love it. I'm
here for it.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, there was a reboot planned in like twenty twenty, right.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
There was more than a reboot planned. We shot two episodes.
Oh oh.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Yeah, I did not know that.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
Oh yeah. So this was at the end of twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
We filmed two episodes and we were going into a
winter hiatus, and we were going to come back the
first week of like or second week of January, and
during the time during the break, they were going to
do just nothing but like audience testing the first two
episodes and kind of seeing like where does this need
to go? And they were going to write everything they
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needed for that first season during that break, because they
hadn't written everything out for the full season yet.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
And during that time.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
They kind of figured out, Okay, we want to go
kind of in this direction, and the writing team kind
of was already headed in a different direction and it
just kind of fell apart unfortunately, and.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Much like the Sticky Weed, she sells. Yeah, exactly, there
you are.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Okay, but they.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
You know, Disney it was it was still pre Disney
Plus launching, so they didn't even know exactly what they
wanted the whole platform to be. And yet I think
there were some adult themes that they were going to
explore within the series, because I mean, you know, it's
it's inevitable. It's you've got a whole, you know, set
of millennials, and it's they're dealing with adult things. And
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I think had the show start or the reboots started
to come together today, I don't think it would have
been an issue.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
I really don't.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
But because it was then, it was they were being
very careful and then COVID happened and then just everything
just kind of fell apart from there.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
But it's unfortunately, I mean, it was cute. I saw
the first two episodes.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
I got to watch them on an iPhone.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
Was the whole cast back? Was everyone back for it?
Speaker 4 (35:33):
They were pretty much bringing everybody back?
Speaker 6 (35:36):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Cool?
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Was it fun to shoot the two episodes?
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Oh? It was so much fun.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
No time had passed, You're just back and kind of.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
You know, it's it's really weird because it was just
it was surreal.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
It felt like a dream a little bit.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
And to this day, I mean, I'm like, did that
really did that really happen?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Didn't really do it?
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Because they recreated the entire Maguire House interior and and
so you're just walking to.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
That was like, oh my god, that would be wild.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
You're back.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
And then and then even down to the degree of
like when we I think it was probably sometime during
the first season. We would do our table reads every Wednesday,
and before we would start doing I don't even know
how we started this, but before we would start reading
the episode, we would all just sing the theme song.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
It's just like, it's really weird. It felt it probably
felt a little bit culty, and but we would just.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
If you were coming in as a guest cast, you'd
be like, this is weird.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
But we would all just sing the theme song.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
And so when we had the table read for the
two episodes of the reboot, we sang the theme song.
Oh my god, yeah, and I was like, this is cool.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
This is so weird.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
That's it's weird. But if that's what you did.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
That is so cool to read, like bring it back
full circle. Do everything the way you guys used to do,
and now especially the whole cast is now adults, like
you know, like, ooh did you like did you like.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Where your character was, like where they took your character
or no.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
I did. I liked it a lot.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
He was just gonna be like just annoyingly just very successful,
and I love that it was like vague exactly what
he does, but he's.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
Got his own like.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yes, oh man, Okay, So we always have to ask
do you keep in touch with anybody from the show?
Speaker 5 (37:47):
You know, I keep in touch with everyone, kind of loosely.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
I mean Clayton Snyder who played Ethan Kraft, I'll see
him every once in a while, Bobby Carrodine and Hallie
Todd who played my parents. I probably talked to them,
I think the most ahead of everyone, because they honestly
feel like.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
An not an uncle to me.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, yeah, yes, TV parents can be very important.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Yeah, and uh and then every once in a while
I'll see I'll see Hillary at the farmer's market, but.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
That just knocks the organic squash out of her hand
and run away. I love right, Yeah exactly, yeah.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Record her reaction and reaction. So were you so you are?
Are you still LA based.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Then I am, yeah, okay, cool, Yeah, that's cool that
you can run into like an old cold star.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
Just like a market. Come on, that doesn't get any
more LA than that.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
That's hey, Star.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Is literally my neighbor on a walk and I'll be
like hey, Danielle.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
So it's it's the way it works, all right.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Now. I have to ask, because I'm a big nerd
and I always have been a bigger nerd. How do
you wake up one day and say I'm going to
make a video game.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
Well I'm not. I'm not making a video game. I'm
just acting in one.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
But I mean still, like, it's why why decide to
do that all of a sudden?
Speaker 4 (39:08):
You know this is mine's eye, right, this is mine's
I So I you know, I I've done a handful
of voiceover stuff before, and will you by all means,
are are a voiceover master?
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Compared to like this stuff that I like, I've done
like just like three or four things. It's it's been.
It's been very small.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
And I did a video game when like when I
was a kid, and that was like.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
It was cool. It's like for a PlayStation two.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Game way back when which is just it's called Brave
the Search for Spirit Dancer. It was a it was
a very indie small game, okay, but I played the title.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Character Brave, and it's that experience.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
It's so much fun.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
It's so much fun.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
That experience though, was like, Okay, I'm in the studio
and I have to give me like twenty different sounds
for like, if you're doing an attack, okay, yeah, attack ye,
juliding until range.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
And so you know, I hadn't really auditioned for any
other voiceover video games since then, maybe like here and
there every once in a while, but I hadn't done
any and then this one kind of comes across my
desk that was a voiceover audition, but they wanted to
see me on camera.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
Yeah, And I was like, okay, so I, I.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
You know, just did it like a normal self tape
audition and uh. And I ended up booking it and
still did not know exactly the extent of what the
project was because it was also like kind of like AI.
It was very secretive, and the whole thing is is
basically acting but also voice acting. You're on camera, but
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you're not on.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Camera, so you did you do the MOCAP stuff.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
I did a step above mo cap. I did performance capture.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
Okay, you have all the dots and everything in your suit,
but you have a helmet that you're wearing that has
an arm that stretches out front and has two cameras
that are tracking your facial movements, and then everything's run
into a computer that's on your chest. And so everything
that you do on this volume stage, all the movements,
all the facial movements, everything is being recorded and then
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put into a digital a digital representation.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
I've never done it. I've never done it.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
It's just insane.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah, it seems like fun.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
And for the project, is it that.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
It wasn't too bad?
Speaker 6 (41:44):
Are burning up you?
Speaker 5 (41:45):
Honestly?
Speaker 6 (41:47):
With the balls?
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Like they kept the stage pretty cold. And I will
say it's been so different from anything else that I've
done in my acting career in that yeah, okay, you've
got the suit, but like there's no wardrobe beyond that,
there's no hair and makeup, there's no cameras, there's no lighting,
there's nothing else to worry about except for just being
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there on the little tiny volume with the other actors
acting everything out and then pretending like, oh that is
happening over there, and then that's happening over there, and then.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
This right here. That's a car, So just be sure.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
When you get in you have to duck down low enough.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Oh my gosh, it's a totally different kind of acting.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
It's a totally different kind of act.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
That's really really wow, that's amazing. Okay, so much last question.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
First of all, thank you so much for taking the
time to answer all these questions, because we have.
Speaker 6 (42:45):
All over the place. I know, I'm just such a cool,
different kind of career.
Speaker 5 (42:49):
It's it's amazing talk about.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
But last question, what do you think the legacy of
Lizzie McGuire is going to be?
Speaker 5 (42:57):
That's a great question.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
I mean, man, I I I honestly hope that it's
like we're doing the seventieth anniversary, not the seventieth and
we've all be dead by then.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
I was gonna say that's an anniversary.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Maybe the fiftieth anniversary, like they're doing some like TV special.
It's not gonna be TV TV's not gonna exist. Maybe
it's it's the streaming to different Yeah, different word, it's
the streaming to your brain special of like, and now
we're remembering fifty years down the road and it's just
gonna be Yeah, But I don't know, maybe it's that
(43:37):
I really I really don't know. You know, it's the
fact that it's it's held such a strong, you know,
memory for people this far down the road.
Speaker 5 (43:51):
Twenty five years down the road.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
I is a blessing and a total surprise to me.
So I mean, anything beyond that, I'll be amazed and surprised.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
So yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
This show was so great because it Sabrina was a
big fan. I loved her because she was quirky but
like cool, even though she wasn't like the cool kid
at school. And I just feel like, like, for me,
I loved that that character for her because that's kind
of how I felt at school, Like I was I
had friends that were cool, but I was certainly not
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the cool one, you know. I just kind of actually
just like liked me and I could dance and I
was on the dance team with that type of thing.
But like it was but at the same time, she
was just she was such a cool kid in the heart,
like she was just like a really good friend, you know.
Speaker 6 (44:41):
She always tried to do the right thing. And then
you know, I always.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
I mean the kiss in the movie finally for her
Gordo was like a win, Like, yes, I.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Knew nothing of this, Yeah, I knew nothing of the stories,
but I knew that that kiss mattered. This was obviously
something that had expanded it out. The best friend going
to the the getting out of the friend zone, Like
this was all even I knew that was special.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
I could tell that was a special thing.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
And I think it was so true in what happens
with girls at that age where you have like guy
friends that you get to like get to know, but
like you develop feelings for them because you're going through
that weird stage. And like she got the kiss with
her with her best friend who was a good friend
for her too, like it was awesome.
Speaker 5 (45:24):
And then she immediately dumped him after the flight.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
And then she still wanted to get that Italian loffer
back to the States, that little lose.
Speaker 6 (45:34):
I know it, I knew it absolutely.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Oh God, Jake, thank you so much for joining us.
And I'm glad it's Jake and not whoever would have
won the name contest.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
That would have been weird whatever they came up with.
But to the man who's literally been on TV since
the day he was.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
Born, seriously and doing all the things, all the things,
hitting the TV, hitting the movies, hitting the video games.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Right, I mean, my career so far, and it's seriously
so thank you so much for joining us, and come back.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
We'll pick a we'll pick a fun decom and you
can watch with us.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
I would love that. Thank you so much for having me.
Thanks you bye.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
God's so funny.
Speaker 6 (46:16):
I want to do a video game now, That's all
I want to do.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
I want to do that as well. I've always wanted
to do that.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Apparently they like and you're not going to like this,
and neither of my Apparently they prefer people that are
taller for video games. Like it's like kind of the
sick for for men, at least the kind of the
six foot level. So I know a lot of my
friends that do a ton of video games are usually
on the on the taller side tall.
Speaker 5 (46:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
I don't know why, but that's maybe that's more for
motion capture than it is for for character capture.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
My stubby little body is just out of the count.
There is no way that is happening.
Speaker 6 (46:49):
I better find another dream, you know, find another dreams
you're tall.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
To some people, you're tall, Sabrina. That's how I like
my four year old. Hey, there you go to your
four year old. You are That's how it works.
Speaker 6 (47:01):
So true.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Oh man, Well, thank you everybody for joining us, Thank
you Jake for joining us. So interesting the career he's had.
It's just been and still going.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
But I mean, I know, just amazing booking all over
the place and again literally on TV since the day
he was born.
Speaker 6 (47:14):
That was cool. That was cool to find out.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Yeah, so join us next time where we are going
to be doing something a little bit special. We're going
out of the box a little bit because we will
be recapping the Disney Channel games that Sabrina has talked
about so often.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
My favorite movies on the channel. I cannot wait to
relive them.
Speaker 6 (47:37):
So fun. So it's so fun.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
There you go, the Disney Channel games.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
The season we watched if everybody wants to watch along
is the one that's on Disney Plus.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
I think it was done eight. It was the third
and final season.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Yes, if you just look up Sabrina loses, you're gonna
get all the time she's there, but.
Speaker 7 (47:53):
Right there, Yes, yellow in Yellow loses in Yellow, But yes,
we're gonna be rec happy the Disney Channel games, and
we might have some fun guests talking to us about
that as well, So join us next time.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Bye everybody,
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Will Friedle
Sabrina Bryan
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