February 23, 2023 • 33 mins
The Thinkers commiserate over their shared dissappintment of how dumb our recent alien invaders must be if they keep getting shot down by the American Airforce. Then, comedian and podcaster, Babs Gray, joins the Thinkers to talk about her one year journey of alcohol abstinence and why women are better at being sober. There's some other stuff too, just listen to it already!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
You're listening to The Man Thinker's podcast, I show that
forges a new roadmap for the modern man on how
to best live life. I'm George Collins, a former liberal cuckhole,
and I'm Dan Finkelstein, a staunch libertarian inselt we think,
so you don't have to Well, that's what if. That's
what I mean is that, you know everyone's talking about,
when's chinaga invade Taiwan, Well, why don't we just make
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Taiwan uninvadable. Let's just bomb Taiwan, Bomb Taiwan, just bomb. Normally,
I would say that I think this is a good idea.
I always think of a preemptive bombing. I'm not going
to argue it, of course. Of course, however, playing Devil's advocation, Sure,
Taiwan is technically sort of an ally of the United States,
you know, the United States recognizes their independence, and you're
suggesting we bomb them to stop China from invading that.
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What I'm saying is China's invasion of Taiwan is inevitable,
is it not? So if we bomb him ahead of
Tailone's worried about what if China bomb's Taiwan? Well, what
if we do it? First, and then they have nothing
to bomb and nothing to take over. Who wanted to
inhabit Europe after World War Two? Nobody would some ruins.
It's like the friend of my enemy, but the enemy
of my enemy is my friend, exactly. And in this case,
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the friend of my enemy I'm going to kill. And
also when you bring up my enemy exactly and you say, hey,
Taiwan is kind of an ally, well, they're only our
allies because China might invade them exactly. So it all
is predicated on China to begin with, exactly. And if
we bomb Taiwan, then what happens is we got one
less adversary to worry about and one less ally to
take care of, you know. And that'll help with the
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bank exact money in the economy, and also getting to
use some of the bombs, you know, because it look
we love to buy bombs. We have the strongest, most
expensive military in the world. Yes, but if we use
some of those bombs, that had free up some space
to buy some more, and that's going to really boost
the economy. That's the thing. You can't buy bombs if
you're not using bombs, you know. And it's been my
biggest problem with the military right now, right exactly, they're
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just not using it enough. You know. It's kind of
like you want to exercise to use the muscles. Well,
you know what's interesting you say that, though, Dan, because
we did use a bomb or a missile recently when
we blew up that Chinese balloon when speaking of that's right, right, Well, well,
so look, we all know that we just recently shot
down this Chinese bible, and shortly after that, three more
unidentified flying objects were spotted in US airspace. We shot
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them down, we did as well. And you know a
lot of people are correctly guessing that these vessels, well
they must be alien space ships. And a lot of
people don't realize this is the first time in American
history that we have shot down something in our own airspace. Okay, wow,
like that's big news. So exactly. That means it's in
No other country would do that. And I got to say,
I was a little disappointed in by the fact that
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we shot them down, Like these aliens are that stupid
that there's this you know, it's just like for all
this time, all this sci fi, all the books and
everything's saying these alien races are going to be so
far advanced, and we just shoot them down in f
twenty two. Well, this, this brings us to today's big question.
Do all women wish they were their own feces cure auto?
Would children be safer if everyone's stopped having Sego Biden
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be the first ghost press washing your hands? Actually bad?
Is so scary? Should we just ignore these aliens because
clearly their morons. Ignore the aliens, Ignore the aliens. Let
them come here. They're not gonna do anything. These dumb idiots,
they can't even not get shot down by have twenty two's.
I know, it seems like their ships are slow and bad.
They're really bad. They should be able to dodge. First
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of all, if we're shooting at alien ships, you would
think the alien ship, which is probably a flying saucer,
could just kind of move to the side. Absolutely, I
thought they could disobey laws of physics as we know it.
That's like what makes them, Man, how did they get
here on the first place. That's what I'm saying. If
an alien the best aliens, well that's a good, that's
an interest, And what does that say about us? You know,
if they're sending their moronic aliens to come do reconnaissance
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an old beater, right, dumb right, got shot three of them.
It's like, guys, once the first one goes down, get
out of them. Yeah, exactly. Like it seems like these
aliens are not very adaptable. They are not adapting to
their environment where they go, Hey, we got shot down
the yesterday. Let's move these ships over here now. No
anyone knows how bad their communication system is, because it
seems like the other two would have said, hey, hit
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on back, right, and they were just kind of floating
around like right ducks. I mean, look, if these alien
ships can be detected and shut down so easily, do
you even want to meet that alien? For me, it's
it's a right now. But what if the aliens say
they land on American soil? Yeah, and they start going
to our schools and start using you know, our healthcare sys? Well,
first of all, who then who's to say that that
hasn't already happened. I mean, you want to pay that?
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You want to pay that on your tax bill? No,
I don't at least tax the aliens. He's the first
thing I would say. That's a good you got a
tax aliens? You say, listen, if you're going to fly
around in our airspace. You got to pay your share, yes,
and it should be a fair share, Okay, corporations, they're already,
you know, being taxed about twenty percent. Aliens to me
should be seventy percent. I support that fully. But are
we talking about because I would assume they don't use
the US dollar, although they should, but I meant a
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crypto or are we just saying, hey, you know it,
give us a piece of your body so we can study.
Give us twenty percent of your body and then we
can study it, you know as bad how we can
We can make some kind of trade ye with them,
to get them involved trading the aliens. But I think
what you want to do is, hey, we get it.
You're to go away from something, right, That's that's the
only reason an alien would come. Give them some money.
I'm okay with that. I'm usually money. I want to
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give them some crypto, some man coin. Well, first, I
would love to get in on that. We could do.
We could, God, we could dump aliens now all of
a sudden they're stuck with it, right, and then say hey,
take it, take it back to your home planet. These
aliens have access to some of the rarest metals, right,
just by being in space, by virtue of being in
space and being able to get down here, right, we
know that these guys they're going to be near some lithium.
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They've got ant of lithium on that ship. We want that.
Lithium is the best battery. It is best metal. It's
the best metal because it can never batteries. Everybody loves
the best battery. We need more battered, more lithium. And
I think if we had a bit of an alliance
with these aliens, now you kind of change my point here,
then I think we could be mining lithium from them.
And also you brought up another point in where you
mentioned you know these alien guys and clearly they would
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be mail. I think any aliens travelship, they're definitely man.
I mean, they're they're the male aliens. Like, let's just
be honest about that. Aliens. Yeah, aliens. So when we
sit down with these aliens, what are the terms of
certain Like what are we agreeing to here? Hey, listen,
you know we'll give you this and you give us what, Like,
what is it that I mean? I like what you're
saying of Look, what are we gonna use them? For okay,
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either you're going to give us work, you know, some
kind of I don't want to you know, I know
it's a dirty word now, but it's some kind of
indentured servitude, right right right, you know, It's like, hey,
you work for us for seven years, then you could
just be a regular guy, right, you know. And that's
one way to go about I'm not saying that's the
only way. I'm just work a lot of options here, thinkers,
there's a lot of options. Then it's like, hey, let
us just see your guts, you know, like let us
mess around and there yourself open and just show us.
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So you're going to know what's going on. Because if
there's is better, if their insides are better than ours,
we want to start us. We want to figure out
how to get that. Sure. Sure, maybe we want to
eat one that could be interesting. That's I don't know, man,
that might put us in HOI I mean, don't you
think I'm not saying I would do it. I'm saying,
you know, give it to a prisoner or something, but
the prisoner taste. What would be the best actually is
you imprison an alien because they have crossed our borders illegally. Right,
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you put that alien in prison, right, then you make
that alien taste another alien, and then we see what happens.
So forced alien cannibalism. Yeah, if that's how you want
to say it to why under legality? Wait wait to
what end though? Why are we making aliens eat themselves
to see what happens? Okay, that's actually because and again
we know that America needs more lithium. We know that
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the Aliens have access to lithium on asteroids. They flew
down here, they had to pass the asteroids, right, I'm
just saying, well, I want to help them help the trade.
So okay, So basically, just to kind of tie it
all into a knot here, we sit down with the
aliens and we say, hey, listen, you give us your
lithium that you've been mining and because you probably don't
need it, right, and in exchange, we will take one
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of your people, one of your aliens, and will cut
them open and make you eat one of yourselves taste,
and just to see what happens. And that's the negotiat.
That's where we start. That's where the negotiation begins. Look,
they cross into our airspace illegally, so we get to
set the terms first of all, because I don't want
to say what we could do to them, right, but
we could do something far worse. Right, you know, they
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want to be imprisoned, they want to go to Guantanamo.
It's will open. What about this aspect of it, though, Dan,
because this you know right now you're talking about violence
against aliens. There's certain respect we've come out in prison
aliens if it came to that. If it came to that,
and I'm willing to do, I will defend my country
and my planet to the family, you know, absolutely. But Dan,
this might be an inroad for you. And you're in
celibacy because what if an alien was willing to have sex?
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If you had sex with an alien, would you consider
yourself a virgin anymore? I mean, that's that's really a
question for society, not for me. It should I meet
the right alien right and have feelings for the alien?
I don't know what could happen, and I don't know
what people are going to think about it. But all
I know is if I'm happy, that's the life I'm living.
And the thing is, let's just be honest, thinkers, someone's
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going to fuck an alien, Like if the aliens show
inevitable someone will have sex. Why not you? Every culture
has always mixed with the invading culture, exactly, and so
they're invading us. Okay, we're just defending ourselves first of all, right, exactly,
but it is inevitable, it will happen. There will be
mixed breeds, right, A lot of great ideas in this conversation, Dan,
you know, forcing aliens to eat each other. Having sex
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with aliens is the ideas. Well. These are the things
that are going to come up with. These are the
things we need to be thinking about now. Because the
aliens are here, the ships are here. We're shooting them
down right, They're gonna be down here anyway. They're gonna
be someone's going to be having sex with them. Like,
let's start talking about it. Dan, let me ask you this,
what are your theories on why they're here in the
first place. I could only imagine the reason they came
is to bring us lithium, because look, we've dominated every
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other animal right on the earth, right, And they're saying, Okay,
these guys are the kings. Let's just get the tribute
going now. They're trying to celebrate us in our culture
by making it rain lithium. Why else would they come
to America first? Exactly. That should say a lot to
the world that the fact that they're here in American
airspace as opposed to somewhere else, some shit country, came
right to us. They came right to the big dogs,
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and they said they showered us with love and lithium.
And that's for the love of lithium, that is. And
of course you know Georgia, Yeah, we negotiated that. Faith,
Well do you have to. We gotta play hardball, and
we could promise them anything they want, right and still
get to what we want, which again, what it sounds
like is lithium, copious lithium. Eating them and having sex
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with them and making them That is how we get there. Yes,
making them eat each other to see if anything goes wrong.
And this is why you and I should be at
every negotiating table, because we come to we are solutions based.
We are solutions basically just came up with And because
right now the government doesn't have a solution, why are
you sure we've got something? We captured them, make them
eat each other, have sex with them, see what the
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hell happens. Whatever we end up doing with these aliens
is going to send a message to the other aliens, right,
whatever aliens like these aliens or hate these aliens, the
aliens that these aliens are running from, that the species
we need to be worried about. This might impress them.
You know, if we do some of this nasty stuff
to them, well they're gonna say, wha Is that a
formidable opponent here? So well, it's sort of like, you know,
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it's very enemy of my enemy is my friend in
conclusion bomb Taiwan in conclusion bomb bomb? Well, you know, thinkers,
that was we really tied that up in a neat bow.
And I think we know what we need to do
with the aliens, and we know what we need to
do with time one. Now what you guys need to
do is listen to some ads and after that, we've
got a great show coming up. We're talking it to
a comedian and podcaster, Bab's Gray. Bab's Gray is one
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of the best comedians doing it, and she's got a
bunch of podcasts. I mean, she's an inspiration when it
comes to podcasting. More podcasts you have, the better you
are as a person. That seems to be the way
it works. And so Dan and I are both have
You can kind of say we have half a podcast
because there's two of us as the host. I consider
myself I have this one. I do too, we both
have one. Let's just go with that. Well, I would
say I have most of them. I think we're tied
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with the amount of podcasts we have. Just sort of
like spart Off grabbing the top of the bat, you know,
and I've got the top and you've got like a
little piece of it, but I have to dip um
no because of your hand's just often your hand, you're
not really actually making contact with it. Bab's Gray is
a stand up comedian, actor, and podcaster. She co hosted
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a fan podcast about Britney Spears's Instagram that accidentally led
to the Free Writtney campaign. In August of twenty twenty two,
she launched a podcast documenting her year of sobriety called Babstinence. Babs,
thank you so much for being on man thinkers. Thank
you for allowing me to invade your safe space. Thanks
for recognizing that it is an invasion. That is, we
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appreciate that right off the bat. You know, no, I
know what I'm what I'm waletting into so very cool. Yeah,
it's right the Lion's Den, and we've got some hard
hitting questions for you because you know, look, Babs, I'm
going to be straight with you. You represent a lot
of things that are wrong with America right now, and
so hopefully we can we could. I'm hoping that we
can convert you by the end of this interview. I
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usually also convert me to what exactly a better person?
Oh oh, the kind of person that I want want
to be, I would say, just in Babs's defense, I mean, Dan,
you know you're probably the last person too. You don't
have to man for people. I'm just saying, your your life,
your whole life is in disarray, and so for you
to kind of present it as we're going to I'm
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going to convert you, it's like what because like your
life is bad, you know what I mean? Like you
shouldn't be doing the conversion. Can you tell me why
about that? Because I don't know? Oh well yes, but
first of all, I'm very famous, So Babs, if you
don't know enough about me, it's that's on you because
I powne anyone who challenges me at one of my debates,
at my lectures I have a lot of screenplays that
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are available to read online. Yeah, but they've never been
bought or produced or anything because they're bad. And the
thing is because Hollywood's bad. Here's the thing. Dan's been
canceled by the canceled community. So the people who have
been canceled, they even canceled Dan. They were like, you
don't want this a community. You know, he's in shambles,
and which is why I'm excited to talk to you
today show. Why are just about I'm just prepping Babs
for what she's getting. No, I appreciate this, okay, Yeah,
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because I've literally never heard of you, so it's good
to have this background here. Well, you know, I'm very famous.
There's a lot of viral clips of me. So I'm
sure you've heard of Dan Finkelstein. You're getting your ass kick.
Nothing's happened yet so far. Welcome Dan Finkelstein on the show.
Thanks for that lovely introduction, George. You know, George, here
is California sober? Is that right, George? You mean you
only do psychedelics every day? That's right now, Babs, when
(14:02):
you say you're sober, or is that the kind of
sober you are? As well, just a few mushrooms and
some I'm actually I call myself Freds no sober so.
I don't drink, but I do smoke meth. Mmmmm wow,
so you're you're on the meth prob Yeah, I get
a lot done. Wow, that's very that's interesting. Yeah, thank you.
How's that going for you? M no, no, no, just
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that's a joke. Okay, I don't know how serious is
a joke. I don't know how serious you're I got
it because I'm comedian. I'm a comedian too. Kind of
a thing. Dan doesn't. George claims he's a comedian. How
many do you get? Where do you get up? Where
do you go up downtown? Oh? Okay, yeah, not a
lot of spots downtown. Well, you know, if you look around,
there's always an audience. That is true. You find your
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shows you look around. I'm just saying, if you want
to perform, you can perform. No one's gonna stop. That
sounds like you're going to find like any legal massage parlors. Look,
me and Babs were in the same world. Okay, we're
out there making strangers laugh. You know that may or
may not George at a show. I don't think so on.
But you know, there's a lot of comedians in La there.
Really I could have missed him, honestly, too many. Let's
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be honest, there is too many. So if you were there, George,
she still missed you. So that's not a great sign
either way. Anyway. Anyway, So what's what kind of sober
are we talking? Yeah, I'm I'm generally California sober. I
don't do that much else if it, you know, if
it seems like the opportunity, sure, but mostly drinking. Drinking
was the problem that thing. Yeah, it seemed to be
the worst thing. Was there a moment for you? Was
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there that sort of cliche rock bottom or was it
just like a period of time where you were kind
of slowly coming around to this realization. I think it
was both. You know. I was thinking about it for
a long time, realizing I was depending on it a
little too much. And then I had a birthday party
and just got way too drunk and woke up and
realized that I had kissed the only strange dron came
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to my house, oh respect and said to my boyfriend,
oh wait, I think I kissed someone, And he's like,
what I got pissed. Oh man, So you know that
was an eye opening moment. Kissing a stranger, Well, kiss
some strangers, that's a good yes, exactly. I agree. I
think we should all be kissing strangers that alcohol involved
or not. Right, let's kiss more strangers, I do. I
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think on the surface level. Yes, But but if you're
in a committed relationship, you need to agree first that
it's okay because of the stranger. So we don't have
a pre stranger agreement. I got that. I don't believe
in any of those kinds of arrangements. Just so you
guys know, you don't believe in relationships or love, you
know what? In a way, yes, I guess that's true.
But I believe in marriage, the sanctity of I think
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marriage is so beautiful of just two people. So you
think any two people, you're okay with all kinds of marriage. No,
you said two people? Well to man, two men and
two two men? Okay, So you're down with two men
and two women. Okay. Well, I'm just making sure a
double marriage. If you have a double marriage. But that's
about it. Who has a double man? That doesn't even exist?
You don't know anything. I want to save money. If
you want to say, I do. I know you're saying
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wedding not a double yeah, yes, double marriage, Sarah, like
a cross polyamorous foursome. Oh my god, can we just
move on please? I would be open that across polyamorous
for some sounds right up my alley backs. Thank you
for putting that idea in my own see it you're progressive.
See I wasn't expecting that. Well, which is a former
I'm a former liberal, but I wouldn't even categorize myself
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as conservative. I'm just you know, I'm a political I'm
an open minded guy. I'm very spiritual. So what, well?
What turned you? What was your rock bottom? Then? My
rock bottom was kind of similar to what I knew
was a joke earlier that you made about the meth situation.
For me, it was heroin. My rock bottom was I'm
doing hero I was microdosing heroine. But that sort of
turned into a macrodosing situation. Yeah, And long story long,
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I was strung out on the street and I said,
I gotta change in my life. And when I went
through that process of changing my life, I started to
think differently about other topics, not just drugs and alcohol.
And spirituality, but politics as well. And George smartly. I'll
give George some credit that he smartly said, Hey, I
could exploit this problem. I have yes for some cash. Yes,
And that to me is the most American and smartest
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thing that you've ever done. George's to say, hey, I'm
a piece of trash, right, but people might listen to
me now, yeah, people lovery, I'm shooting story exactly. So
that's been very helpful for us, and George I will
give you full credit for that. Thank you for destroying
your life and turning it around for this podcast. Now
we get to read some great ads for some great products.
I don't even think we're at the ad reading stage.
I don't think we have enough listeners to read ads yet.
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But what we're getting there thanks to great guests like Babs.
So you're saying you were an alcoholic, you had no
control over your mind, and an alcoholic, you were a
sicko on the street, a liberal sicko on the streets.
You were a mess. But when you were drunk, you
never shot up a place, right, You never you never
let your mental health lead you to using guns against
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innocent people. So isn't that a good reason for why
Americans should have guns. Aren't you a good case study
for that? Wait, I'm wait, I'm not following your logics
as again. So you you were an alcoholic, you were
a mess, you were disgusting, you just you were laying
in the gutter. But you never shot up a place.
Even you a drunken mess, didn't shoot anyone. That's a
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great reason why Americans should have guns. But I didn't
have access to a guns. Who knows what I would
have done, So I don't think people should have access
to them. Can you answer the question, isn't that a
good reason? No, it's good guns. To disagree. That was
a really long question for such a simple shut answer.
I think I don't think you'd be a very good lawyer.
He actually say that Dan went to law school twice twice.
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We don't know if he just went he just went.
I went twice. I wanted to do it again to
prove myself. And now I'm representing myself in all my
trials and I haven't lost yet. Well they're not, none
of them are done yet. Babs, Babs, are you so?
Are you sober currently or was it just a one
year stint? I am but I mean, it hasn't been
one year since I started, So it started in August
twenty two, twenty two. I'm doing it for a year.
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I'm calling it an experiment basically, So you didn't go
through a twelve step program or anything that you're just
I go and drive it. I've talked to a lot
of I saw on the podcast, Like every other week
i'll interview usually a comedian who is a sober, but
I haven't personally gone through the steps. I've been to
some meetings, but I haven't gone through them. Did it
not click with you like when you went? Was it?
Because there's a lot of God talk and sometimes I
can turn people off. I personally am very spiritual, so
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it's cool with me. But I understand many cults, well
they're spiritual or just I've been part of many spiritual communities,
which i'll just call them cults now for practicality, so
you understand what I mean. But they're not cults when
you're inside them. Do you know what I mean? But yeah, yeah,
but I'm spiritual, are you? Do you find the spiritual
aspect of twelve step programs to be a turnoff, turn
on or neutral? Yeah? Kind of a turn off and
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not something I'm super into. But I don't think that
that aspect. I know a lot of people who aren't
exactly you know, religious, who still do it. I actually
was thinking the other day because I was thinking about
the amends step. I was like, I don't think I
have anyone to make amends to perspect it sounds like
someone who's true. Yeah, that sounds like someone who needs it,
and I don't. I wouldn't normally encourage someone to join
a program like that. Well, Dan doesn't even believe in
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the concept of amends. You don't believe in making amends, right,
So I do for young Kip. I have to, Okay,
I have to in order to show people that I'm Jewish.
So then when I need it. Wait, so you're supposed
to make amends? Is that also when you're fasting? Sure,
Dan's not a great Jew. Babs, you were an alcoholic.
You were a mess. Yeah, you were in the streets.
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You keep those preamble to each question? Is the same
you were? You were just a mess, clothes tattered. But
you're also a woman in comedy. You know that sounds
like a bad life? Is your life bad? Could you
tell us about your bad life. Oh you know what, honestly,
it's pretty great to be really. Yeah, it just sounds
so bad on the surface. I mean I just couldn't.
(21:32):
I can't relate to it at all. Right, Well, you know,
I get to go around and make people laugh, and
I feel like that's a pretty good way to live
your life. You know, I've kind of I've kind of
like lived my whole life just having a lot of
fun and bringing trying to bring joyge people didn't think
about it that way. Well, let me ask you this
(21:52):
just and a simple, simple questions, simple answer. Who's better
at being sober? Men or women? Oh? My god? Um,
well I think in okay, why just because because we're women?
Good answer. I love that answer. See, I just that's support.
Let's see what we do that a lot. Dan we
say what just because? And now let's move on. I
love that. Well. That brings me to my next question.
(22:13):
The show Abstinence has a much larger audience, yes than
man thinkers? And how disconcerting is that for you, Babs
in terms of society. Isn't that a huge problem that
more people would listen to Abstinence than man thinkers? Oh? Um, no,
I think it's great. I think that when it comes
to guys like you, it's important to remember that you
exist and your thoughts actually exist, no in cells, I think,
(22:33):
and yeah, and that you aren't just like, you know,
a kind of fabrication, that you're a real human being,
woman being that we have to worry about. Yeah, because
if you don't, then especially you Dan, because I mean,
I think a lot of your rage and sadness just
comes from the fact that you want people to know
that you exist. Like, no one acknowledges your existence. You
don't have a relationship with your family, you don't have
(22:54):
any phrase, you don't have relationships. No one knows you exist,
No one knows your life. Do a little clips. I
love there's some great comedians out there, and actually, Babs,
I would love to know who's your favorite conservative comedian.
Who's the best conservative comedian out there? Oh my goodness. Um, Well,
in general, I don't find conservs to be super funny.
So an inflammatory, that's an inflammatory thing to say. I
(23:17):
feel like the last Jeff Foxworthy special on Netflix was
funny in a way that wasn't meant to be funny,
but was very funny. Yeah, like kind of like laughing
at him. It was very like my wife, right, you know, which,
that's funny. That was good than that part of your act.
Not yet, maybe it should be. That was very funny.
I like that my wife. That's good stuff. Babs are
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on the same level because we both have comedic minds.
You're just way out there. You're just on an island
by yourself. And see, this is how comedy can be weaponized. George,
you're trying to weaponize it. And you know, I mean,
the majority of podcasts are hosted by men. Why do
you think men are so good? Is that talking and
reading ad copy? I mean, yeah, I think men men
like to hear them solves and other men speak. I
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mean I feel bad for men actually because I feel
like they don't get to get into real subjects like
women do with each other. I could do the deep
stuff to feelings and the real stuff. Yeah, that's why
so many men are lonely, is they don't have anyone
to talk to. It's funny, you know, I consider myself
to be a man, a very deep man, and I
do like talking about feelings and relationships and things that
maybe not a lot of men like talking about. And
(24:22):
sometimes I try and open up to Dan and it's
just a blank wall. It's just there's nothing there. And
so I have a lot of females because a week.
It's only because George is weak. Now he brings up
you're a week and that you can't handle a conversation
like that. You just you just shell up like you Well,
let's do one right now. Okay, Um, how do you
think your relationship with your parents affected the fact that
you are an in cell PG you're talking about I
(24:45):
don't even know, dude, there you go, that's what. There
you go, that's what. And yeah, that was a good response.
We had a convert two way conversation. All right, let's
try another one. I think we should talk to bats
because she's our guest. But right, well, bads, you could
be a part of it, all right, yeah, yeah, you
could tell you would ask one of your girlfriends. Okay, Um, well, okay,
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this is hard because you haven't had any relationships sou
So it's my fault that we can't have a conversation. No, No,
I'm just saying, you know a lot of times, that's
what we're talking about. Um, Okay, Dan, when you look
in the mirror, who do you see. This is not
something I would say to anything. Easy right, easy? That
was so easy, really interesting questions you and your girlfriends
(25:28):
ask you, can you look in the mirror? Don't think
of anything? Yeah, that's the first thing I do when
I hang out with my female friends. I say I
were a coffee and then we sit down at the
table and I say, Sharon, do you when you look
in the mirror, what do you see? She's like, huh, George,
we just sat down. I'm like, answer the question or
I'm leaving, So like, how are you really? Dan? This
is how I ask what's going on? Man? Thinkers? Is
going great? My sexual harassment cases are I'm not losing them?
(25:50):
So you are losing them? No, I'm not. I've been sued,
but I haven't lost Okay. Anyway, that's the kind of
that's the kind of response you get. So it's kind
of asking, well, actually, bad we should I should ask
you what is a way in like, even for me
if I want to talk to my male friends about
more meaningful conversations, is it just the is it just
like you force them to do it? Do you say, hey,
I don't want to have this kind of conversation? Are
you ready for that. What's a doorway in? I think, um,
(26:13):
being vulnerable yourself it is good, So being open about
how you're feeling. And I think letting them know, you know,
if you notice someone's down or something, just saying hey,
I'm here if you want to talk. I think letting
someone know you're available, and being vulnerable. Vulnerable. Vulnerables are
very difficult word. It is hard. I really don't. I
just disagree with that, just so that's out on that.
I'm not surprised. I just don't think it's a good idea,
you know, because if someone comes to me whining and crying,
(26:35):
it's like, get away from me. Well, that's what I'm saying.
You tell them, you tell them that you're available, gotten right, right,
and then you let them and then you let you
leave with it later. Do you have a favorite? Do
you have a favorite non alcoholic beverage? Baps? Because Dan's
looking for a new one. Something besides just water and sadness.
There's so many now. I feel like that's like they're there, water,
they're booming. What's your going. There's this thing called gia.
(26:57):
I don't even know how you pronounce them, but it's
g hi a h And it's like an appertif thing
and you can mix sense very European blow. Yeah, you
can mix it with like ginger beer and stuff like that.
And I don't know what it hasn't it, but it
does like give you a little chill chill out. I
have a drink for you, a caffeine and free diet pepsi.
That is so gross. Do they even make that damn caffeine.
(27:18):
I was growing up in Salt Lake they had caffeine
free diet coke. That was big hit. Really, the gold
can big hit. They're not supposed to drink caffeine though. Wow,
what boring people. I should move to Salt Lake City.
He should. I don't know. It sounds great. Pussy wow,
there we go, Dan, think about that. You could crush
(27:38):
some Mormon pussy clee. I can't, guys, that is just
beneath this show. What the idea that you would actually
have sex? I think the phrasing that was used. You know,
I'm a man, sorry, I am a female comic, so
I'm required to be vulgar. Yes, well, yes, that's a
liberal leaning. They just don't care. Oh no, we are,
we are sex positive and we out there hell yeah,
(28:01):
hell yeah, Oh that's so offend. If you were here,
you would just be having so much fun with Babs,
But instead you're somewhere else. That's kind of I wish
I was in Salt Lake City. Caffeine free DP dipeps
caffeine free DP. Oh boy, c dpe. The fact is
you need to drink more caffeine free diapets. Babs is
literally writing a text right now, sorry because she's so bored.
(28:22):
Asked to do a show. No, do it? Do it? Congratulations?
Sure that wasn't planted downtown. It's not downtown. Can you
get George on the show? They're gonna have to see
a tape, So do you have Yeah? No, I'm kind
of old school like you. I don't. I don't like
to old school people with the experience. Yeah, okay, let
me rephrase that. I'm all about the experience. You know,
the present moment is like you were either there for
(28:43):
it or you weren't. Okay, So if you want to
put me on on one of your shows, you got
to come see one of my shows. That's how That's
how downtown and that's kind of how I do it.
The thing, Babs, I don't I don't just between you
and me, Like I'm not really ready for like that
level of I'm scared you're not ready for doing it?
Do it up here? I do it? You know what
I'm saying. I have good bits. Yeah, yeah, but like
I haven't done it because I'm like scared. What are
(29:04):
you guys saying in the studio? Anyway, maybe later afterwards
you can like help me like get some confidence or something. Yeah,
like I said, just go to just go to see bed.
That's cool. That's cool. And also if you if you
want to collaborate, you know, in any sort of like
cross pollination when it comes to content. We're let's do
a show. Yeah, we'll do a great show together. Wow. Okay,
are you talking to about like a live show or
(29:25):
what are you talking about? I really know what we're
talking about. That The thing is we need help and
so you know, you seem like a helpful person. You're successful.
So we're just kind of throwing ideas out there. Cool,
you know, because we're really on you right now. Babs, why,
I'm just curious, that's a good What are you doing here?
She can't get why you're asking me. I'm just curious.
George was saying how successful you are. So I wanted
(29:46):
to kind of measure myself have like over one hundred
dollars in cash on Wow because I was recently traveling
and thought I should have some with me. Dan walks
around like a dollar in his wife at all times.
He refuses, Well, I I use we have man coin
is a digital currency. That's um. We do have a
first show if you're interested. We have very cool here.
It's the future. It is the future. It is the future,
(30:08):
and it's now too. So how much did you say
you had on you, like a hundred? I don't know exactly. Yeah,
she's getting us down, all right. I'm just saying you
could that could be man coin and instead of having
to carry around some heavy dollars you have it. I
could do that. But it's also a Girl Scout season,
so I could also get a lot of Girl Scout
cookies exactly. Wait for man coin. No, I'm just saying
I could get it instead of man Yeah. I was
(30:30):
going to say man coin. They do not accept that. Yeah,
we've tried, but they're not. Yeah. Well, Babs, it was
really great getting to know a liberal artist. I see,
you know the differences that we have and maybe the
slightest liver of connection. Yeah. Do you want to tell
any of the thinkers at home where they could hear you,
see you any of that stuff? Yeah, you can catch me.
(30:51):
I have a weekly comedy podcast called Lady to Lady
you can listen to every Wednesday on the Exactly Right Network,
and then ba Abstinence comes out sort of every Monday.
I'm it's kind of bad about it because it's just me,
but that's yeah, me talking to people about being so
very cool. Yeah, and follow me at Bab's Gray all
the stuff very cool. Well, Babs, thank you so much
for being a man thinkers. We really appreciate your time.
Thank you, guys. We hope you like Bab's Gray. Well,
(31:16):
I'm sure people did. But you know, as an other
person in the interview who does not care whether the
person on our show likes me or not, I care
about getting to the truth. The truth was, you know,
very nuanced. She was very nuanced. She thought about every
answer instead of answering from her gut. I think actually
she was answering from her gut and improvising the answer.
(31:37):
But that improvised answer just was quite nuanced. That's how
people who have a high level of intelligence and our
critical thinkers that's how they answer questions. Whereas for you now,
I think it's a bit more of a when you're
talking about high levels of government, the situations that we're
currently in with global politics, and you want to say, hey,
give me a nuanced answer on how we should respond
(31:57):
to Russia to China. Yeah, okay, well we talked about
China earlier and so we know where we do. I
do align with you on that. I say bomb China always,
you know, just get to it. But and bomb is
a it's yes, no or bomb. I should have said
that when we were those are and that's always an
option thinkers. There's you can always say yes. You can
always say nuclear, or you can bomb. You can always bomb. Guys,
(32:18):
we had a great time today, I mean, you know,
absolutely and always. If we'll even have a show next
week with all the alien stuff, I mean, maybe you know,
by next week we could be living in a very
different hoping whatever happens, whatever changes with the aliens, that
they are working for us. Please, they're running the socials,
they're doing all the things that we that are difficult
for us to do. Right, we don't and that is
why again. You know, I like these aliens, so it's
(32:41):
good to have them on the team. Welcome to Earth.
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This is the week, because just do it. A man
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Absolutely okay, good to our female lit s man, we'd
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(33:04):
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You're listening to The Man Thinker's podcast, I show that
forges a new roadmap for the modern man on how
to best live life. I'm George Collins, a former liberal cuckhole,
and I'm Dan Finkelstein, a staunch libertarian inselt we think,
so you don't have to Well, that's what if. That's
what I mean is that, you know everyone's talking about,
when's chinaga invade Taiwan, Well, why don't we just make
(00:24):
Taiwan uninvadable. Let's just bomb Taiwan, Bomb Taiwan, just bomb. Normally,
I would say that I think this is a good idea.
I always think of a preemptive bombing. I'm not going
to argue it, of course. Of course, however, playing Devil's advocation, Sure,
Taiwan is technically sort of an ally of the United States,
you know, the United States recognizes their independence, and you're
suggesting we bomb them to stop China from invading that.
(00:46):
What I'm saying is China's invasion of Taiwan is inevitable,
is it not? So if we bomb him ahead of
Tailone's worried about what if China bomb's Taiwan? Well, what
if we do it? First, and then they have nothing
to bomb and nothing to take over. Who wanted to
inhabit Europe after World War Two? Nobody would some ruins.
It's like the friend of my enemy, but the enemy
of my enemy is my friend, exactly. And in this case,
(01:07):
the friend of my enemy I'm going to kill. And
also when you bring up my enemy exactly and you say, hey,
Taiwan is kind of an ally, well, they're only our
allies because China might invade them exactly. So it all
is predicated on China to begin with, exactly. And if
we bomb Taiwan, then what happens is we got one
less adversary to worry about and one less ally to
take care of, you know. And that'll help with the
(01:27):
bank exact money in the economy, and also getting to
use some of the bombs, you know, because it look
we love to buy bombs. We have the strongest, most
expensive military in the world. Yes, but if we use
some of those bombs, that had free up some space
to buy some more, and that's going to really boost
the economy. That's the thing. You can't buy bombs if
you're not using bombs, you know. And it's been my
biggest problem with the military right now, right exactly, they're
(01:50):
just not using it enough. You know. It's kind of
like you want to exercise to use the muscles. Well,
you know what's interesting you say that, though, Dan, because
we did use a bomb or a missile recently when
we blew up that Chinese balloon when speaking of that's right, right, Well, well,
so look, we all know that we just recently shot
down this Chinese bible, and shortly after that, three more
unidentified flying objects were spotted in US airspace. We shot
(02:13):
them down, we did as well. And you know a
lot of people are correctly guessing that these vessels, well
they must be alien space ships. And a lot of
people don't realize this is the first time in American
history that we have shot down something in our own airspace. Okay, wow,
like that's big news. So exactly. That means it's in
No other country would do that. And I got to say,
I was a little disappointed in by the fact that
(02:36):
we shot them down, Like these aliens are that stupid
that there's this you know, it's just like for all
this time, all this sci fi, all the books and
everything's saying these alien races are going to be so
far advanced, and we just shoot them down in f
twenty two. Well, this, this brings us to today's big question.
Do all women wish they were their own feces cure auto?
Would children be safer if everyone's stopped having Sego Biden
(02:57):
be the first ghost press washing your hands? Actually bad?
Is so scary? Should we just ignore these aliens because
clearly their morons. Ignore the aliens, Ignore the aliens. Let
them come here. They're not gonna do anything. These dumb idiots,
they can't even not get shot down by have twenty two's.
I know, it seems like their ships are slow and bad.
They're really bad. They should be able to dodge. First
(03:19):
of all, if we're shooting at alien ships, you would
think the alien ship, which is probably a flying saucer,
could just kind of move to the side. Absolutely, I
thought they could disobey laws of physics as we know it.
That's like what makes them, Man, how did they get
here on the first place. That's what I'm saying. If
an alien the best aliens, well that's a good, that's
an interest, And what does that say about us? You know,
if they're sending their moronic aliens to come do reconnaissance
(03:39):
an old beater, right, dumb right, got shot three of them.
It's like, guys, once the first one goes down, get
out of them. Yeah, exactly. Like it seems like these
aliens are not very adaptable. They are not adapting to
their environment where they go, Hey, we got shot down
the yesterday. Let's move these ships over here now. No
anyone knows how bad their communication system is, because it
seems like the other two would have said, hey, hit
(04:00):
on back, right, and they were just kind of floating
around like right ducks. I mean, look, if these alien
ships can be detected and shut down so easily, do
you even want to meet that alien? For me, it's
it's a right now. But what if the aliens say
they land on American soil? Yeah, and they start going
to our schools and start using you know, our healthcare sys? Well,
first of all, who then who's to say that that
hasn't already happened. I mean, you want to pay that?
(04:22):
You want to pay that on your tax bill? No,
I don't at least tax the aliens. He's the first
thing I would say. That's a good you got a
tax aliens? You say, listen, if you're going to fly
around in our airspace. You got to pay your share, yes,
and it should be a fair share, Okay, corporations, they're already,
you know, being taxed about twenty percent. Aliens to me
should be seventy percent. I support that fully. But are
we talking about because I would assume they don't use
the US dollar, although they should, but I meant a
(04:45):
crypto or are we just saying, hey, you know it,
give us a piece of your body so we can study.
Give us twenty percent of your body and then we
can study it, you know as bad how we can
We can make some kind of trade ye with them,
to get them involved trading the aliens. But I think
what you want to do is, hey, we get it.
You're to go away from something, right, That's that's the
only reason an alien would come. Give them some money.
I'm okay with that. I'm usually money. I want to
(05:07):
give them some crypto, some man coin. Well, first, I
would love to get in on that. We could do.
We could, God, we could dump aliens now all of
a sudden they're stuck with it, right, and then say hey,
take it, take it back to your home planet. These
aliens have access to some of the rarest metals, right,
just by being in space, by virtue of being in
space and being able to get down here, right, we
know that these guys they're going to be near some lithium.
(05:27):
They've got ant of lithium on that ship. We want that.
Lithium is the best battery. It is best metal. It's
the best metal because it can never batteries. Everybody loves
the best battery. We need more battered, more lithium. And
I think if we had a bit of an alliance
with these aliens, now you kind of change my point here,
then I think we could be mining lithium from them.
And also you brought up another point in where you
mentioned you know these alien guys and clearly they would
(05:48):
be mail. I think any aliens travelship, they're definitely man.
I mean, they're they're the male aliens. Like, let's just
be honest about that. Aliens. Yeah, aliens. So when we
sit down with these aliens, what are the terms of
certain Like what are we agreeing to here? Hey, listen,
you know we'll give you this and you give us what, Like,
what is it that I mean? I like what you're
saying of Look, what are we gonna use them? For okay,
(06:09):
either you're going to give us work, you know, some
kind of I don't want to you know, I know
it's a dirty word now, but it's some kind of
indentured servitude, right right right, you know, It's like, hey,
you work for us for seven years, then you could
just be a regular guy, right, you know. And that's
one way to go about I'm not saying that's the
only way. I'm just work a lot of options here, thinkers,
there's a lot of options. Then it's like, hey, let
us just see your guts, you know, like let us
mess around and there yourself open and just show us.
(06:31):
So you're going to know what's going on. Because if
there's is better, if their insides are better than ours,
we want to start us. We want to figure out
how to get that. Sure. Sure, maybe we want to
eat one that could be interesting. That's I don't know, man,
that might put us in HOI I mean, don't you
think I'm not saying I would do it. I'm saying,
you know, give it to a prisoner or something, but
the prisoner taste. What would be the best actually is
you imprison an alien because they have crossed our borders illegally. Right,
(06:54):
you put that alien in prison, right, then you make
that alien taste another alien, and then we see what happens.
So forced alien cannibalism. Yeah, if that's how you want
to say it to why under legality? Wait wait to
what end though? Why are we making aliens eat themselves
to see what happens? Okay, that's actually because and again
we know that America needs more lithium. We know that
(07:15):
the Aliens have access to lithium on asteroids. They flew
down here, they had to pass the asteroids, right, I'm
just saying, well, I want to help them help the trade.
So okay, So basically, just to kind of tie it
all into a knot here, we sit down with the
aliens and we say, hey, listen, you give us your
lithium that you've been mining and because you probably don't
need it, right, and in exchange, we will take one
(07:36):
of your people, one of your aliens, and will cut
them open and make you eat one of yourselves taste,
and just to see what happens. And that's the negotiat.
That's where we start. That's where the negotiation begins. Look,
they cross into our airspace illegally, so we get to
set the terms first of all, because I don't want
to say what we could do to them, right, but
we could do something far worse. Right, you know, they
(07:57):
want to be imprisoned, they want to go to Guantanamo.
It's will open. What about this aspect of it, though, Dan,
because this you know right now you're talking about violence
against aliens. There's certain respect we've come out in prison
aliens if it came to that. If it came to that,
and I'm willing to do, I will defend my country
and my planet to the family, you know, absolutely. But Dan,
this might be an inroad for you. And you're in
celibacy because what if an alien was willing to have sex?
(08:20):
If you had sex with an alien, would you consider
yourself a virgin anymore? I mean, that's that's really a
question for society, not for me. It should I meet
the right alien right and have feelings for the alien?
I don't know what could happen, and I don't know
what people are going to think about it. But all
I know is if I'm happy, that's the life I'm living.
And the thing is, let's just be honest, thinkers, someone's
(08:41):
going to fuck an alien, Like if the aliens show
inevitable someone will have sex. Why not you? Every culture
has always mixed with the invading culture, exactly, and so
they're invading us. Okay, we're just defending ourselves first of all, right, exactly,
but it is inevitable, it will happen. There will be
mixed breeds, right, A lot of great ideas in this conversation, Dan,
you know, forcing aliens to eat each other. Having sex
(09:03):
with aliens is the ideas. Well. These are the things
that are going to come up with. These are the
things we need to be thinking about now. Because the
aliens are here, the ships are here. We're shooting them
down right, They're gonna be down here anyway. They're gonna
be someone's going to be having sex with them. Like,
let's start talking about it. Dan, let me ask you this,
what are your theories on why they're here in the
first place. I could only imagine the reason they came
is to bring us lithium, because look, we've dominated every
(09:24):
other animal right on the earth, right, And they're saying, Okay,
these guys are the kings. Let's just get the tribute
going now. They're trying to celebrate us in our culture
by making it rain lithium. Why else would they come
to America first? Exactly. That should say a lot to
the world that the fact that they're here in American
airspace as opposed to somewhere else, some shit country, came
right to us. They came right to the big dogs,
(09:45):
and they said they showered us with love and lithium.
And that's for the love of lithium, that is. And
of course you know Georgia, Yeah, we negotiated that. Faith,
Well do you have to. We gotta play hardball, and
we could promise them anything they want, right and still
get to what we want, which again, what it sounds
like is lithium, copious lithium. Eating them and having sex
(10:06):
with them and making them That is how we get there. Yes,
making them eat each other to see if anything goes wrong.
And this is why you and I should be at
every negotiating table, because we come to we are solutions based.
We are solutions basically just came up with And because
right now the government doesn't have a solution, why are
you sure we've got something? We captured them, make them
eat each other, have sex with them, see what the
(10:27):
hell happens. Whatever we end up doing with these aliens
is going to send a message to the other aliens, right,
whatever aliens like these aliens or hate these aliens, the
aliens that these aliens are running from, that the species
we need to be worried about. This might impress them.
You know, if we do some of this nasty stuff
to them, well they're gonna say, wha Is that a
formidable opponent here? So well, it's sort of like, you know,
(10:48):
it's very enemy of my enemy is my friend in
conclusion bomb Taiwan in conclusion bomb bomb? Well, you know, thinkers,
that was we really tied that up in a neat bow.
And I think we know what we need to do
with the aliens, and we know what we need to
do with time one. Now what you guys need to
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(11:09):
of the best comedians doing it, and she's got a
bunch of podcasts. I mean, she's an inspiration when it
comes to podcasting. More podcasts you have, the better you
are as a person. That seems to be the way
it works. And so Dan and I are both have
You can kind of say we have half a podcast
because there's two of us as the host. I consider
myself I have this one. I do too, we both
have one. Let's just go with that. Well, I would
say I have most of them. I think we're tied
(11:31):
with the amount of podcasts we have. Just sort of
like spart Off grabbing the top of the bat, you know,
and I've got the top and you've got like a
little piece of it, but I have to dip um
no because of your hand's just often your hand, you're
not really actually making contact with it. Bab's Gray is
a stand up comedian, actor, and podcaster. She co hosted
(11:54):
a fan podcast about Britney Spears's Instagram that accidentally led
to the Free Writtney campaign. In August of twenty twenty two,
she launched a podcast documenting her year of sobriety called Babstinence. Babs,
thank you so much for being on man thinkers. Thank
you for allowing me to invade your safe space. Thanks
for recognizing that it is an invasion. That is, we
(12:17):
appreciate that right off the bat. You know, no, I
know what I'm what I'm waletting into so very cool. Yeah,
it's right the Lion's Den, and we've got some hard
hitting questions for you because you know, look, Babs, I'm
going to be straight with you. You represent a lot
of things that are wrong with America right now, and
so hopefully we can we could. I'm hoping that we
can convert you by the end of this interview. I
(12:37):
usually also convert me to what exactly a better person?
Oh oh, the kind of person that I want want
to be, I would say, just in Babs's defense, I mean, Dan,
you know you're probably the last person too. You don't
have to man for people. I'm just saying, your your life,
your whole life is in disarray, and so for you
to kind of present it as we're going to I'm
(12:58):
going to convert you, it's like what because like your
life is bad, you know what I mean? Like you
shouldn't be doing the conversion. Can you tell me why
about that? Because I don't know? Oh well yes, but
first of all, I'm very famous, So Babs, if you
don't know enough about me, it's that's on you because
I powne anyone who challenges me at one of my debates,
at my lectures I have a lot of screenplays that
(13:20):
are available to read online. Yeah, but they've never been
bought or produced or anything because they're bad. And the
thing is because Hollywood's bad. Here's the thing. Dan's been
canceled by the canceled community. So the people who have
been canceled, they even canceled Dan. They were like, you
don't want this a community. You know, he's in shambles,
and which is why I'm excited to talk to you
today show. Why are just about I'm just prepping Babs
for what she's getting. No, I appreciate this, okay, Yeah,
(13:41):
because I've literally never heard of you, so it's good
to have this background here. Well, you know, I'm very famous.
There's a lot of viral clips of me. So I'm
sure you've heard of Dan Finkelstein. You're getting your ass kick.
Nothing's happened yet so far. Welcome Dan Finkelstein on the show.
Thanks for that lovely introduction, George. You know, George, here
is California sober? Is that right, George? You mean you
only do psychedelics every day? That's right now, Babs, when
(14:02):
you say you're sober, or is that the kind of
sober you are? As well, just a few mushrooms and
some I'm actually I call myself Freds no sober so.
I don't drink, but I do smoke meth. Mmmmm wow,
so you're you're on the meth prob Yeah, I get
a lot done. Wow, that's very that's interesting. Yeah, thank you.
How's that going for you? M no, no, no, just
(14:23):
that's a joke. Okay, I don't know how serious is
a joke. I don't know how serious you're I got
it because I'm comedian. I'm a comedian too. Kind of
a thing. Dan doesn't. George claims he's a comedian. How
many do you get? Where do you get up? Where
do you go up downtown? Oh? Okay, yeah, not a
lot of spots downtown. Well, you know, if you look around,
there's always an audience. That is true. You find your
(14:44):
shows you look around. I'm just saying, if you want
to perform, you can perform. No one's gonna stop. That
sounds like you're going to find like any legal massage parlors. Look,
me and Babs were in the same world. Okay, we're
out there making strangers laugh. You know that may or
may not George at a show. I don't think so on.
But you know, there's a lot of comedians in La there.
Really I could have missed him, honestly, too many. Let's
(15:05):
be honest, there is too many. So if you were there, George,
she still missed you. So that's not a great sign
either way. Anyway. Anyway, So what's what kind of sober
are we talking? Yeah, I'm I'm generally California sober. I
don't do that much else if it, you know, if
it seems like the opportunity, sure, but mostly drinking. Drinking
was the problem that thing. Yeah, it seemed to be
the worst thing. Was there a moment for you? Was
(15:27):
there that sort of cliche rock bottom or was it
just like a period of time where you were kind
of slowly coming around to this realization. I think it
was both. You know. I was thinking about it for
a long time, realizing I was depending on it a
little too much. And then I had a birthday party
and just got way too drunk and woke up and
realized that I had kissed the only strange dron came
(15:48):
to my house, oh respect and said to my boyfriend,
oh wait, I think I kissed someone, And he's like,
what I got pissed. Oh man, So you know that
was an eye opening moment. Kissing a stranger, Well, kiss
some strangers, that's a good yes, exactly. I agree. I
think we should all be kissing strangers that alcohol involved
or not. Right, let's kiss more strangers, I do. I
(16:10):
think on the surface level. Yes, But but if you're
in a committed relationship, you need to agree first that
it's okay because of the stranger. So we don't have
a pre stranger agreement. I got that. I don't believe
in any of those kinds of arrangements. Just so you
guys know, you don't believe in relationships or love, you
know what? In a way, yes, I guess that's true.
But I believe in marriage, the sanctity of I think
(16:30):
marriage is so beautiful of just two people. So you
think any two people, you're okay with all kinds of marriage. No,
you said two people? Well to man, two men and
two two men? Okay, So you're down with two men
and two women. Okay. Well, I'm just making sure a
double marriage. If you have a double marriage. But that's
about it. Who has a double man? That doesn't even exist?
You don't know anything. I want to save money. If
you want to say, I do. I know you're saying
(16:51):
wedding not a double yeah, yes, double marriage, Sarah, like
a cross polyamorous foursome. Oh my god, can we just
move on please? I would be open that across polyamorous
for some sounds right up my alley backs. Thank you
for putting that idea in my own see it you're progressive.
See I wasn't expecting that. Well, which is a former
I'm a former liberal, but I wouldn't even categorize myself
(17:11):
as conservative. I'm just you know, I'm a political I'm
an open minded guy. I'm very spiritual. So what, well?
What turned you? What was your rock bottom? Then? My
rock bottom was kind of similar to what I knew
was a joke earlier that you made about the meth situation.
For me, it was heroin. My rock bottom was I'm
doing hero I was microdosing heroine. But that sort of
turned into a macrodosing situation. Yeah, And long story long,
(17:33):
I was strung out on the street and I said,
I gotta change in my life. And when I went
through that process of changing my life, I started to
think differently about other topics, not just drugs and alcohol.
And spirituality, but politics as well. And George smartly. I'll
give George some credit that he smartly said, Hey, I
could exploit this problem. I have yes for some cash. Yes,
And that to me is the most American and smartest
(17:53):
thing that you've ever done. George's to say, hey, I'm
a piece of trash, right, but people might listen to
me now, yeah, people lovery, I'm shooting story exactly. So
that's been very helpful for us, and George I will
give you full credit for that. Thank you for destroying
your life and turning it around for this podcast. Now
we get to read some great ads for some great products.
I don't even think we're at the ad reading stage.
I don't think we have enough listeners to read ads yet.
(18:14):
But what we're getting there thanks to great guests like Babs.
So you're saying you were an alcoholic, you had no
control over your mind, and an alcoholic, you were a
sicko on the street, a liberal sicko on the streets.
You were a mess. But when you were drunk, you
never shot up a place, right, You never you never
let your mental health lead you to using guns against
(18:35):
innocent people. So isn't that a good reason for why
Americans should have guns. Aren't you a good case study
for that? Wait, I'm wait, I'm not following your logics
as again. So you you were an alcoholic, you were
a mess, you were disgusting, you just you were laying
in the gutter. But you never shot up a place.
Even you a drunken mess, didn't shoot anyone. That's a
(18:56):
great reason why Americans should have guns. But I didn't
have access to a guns. Who knows what I would
have done, So I don't think people should have access
to them. Can you answer the question, isn't that a
good reason? No, it's good guns. To disagree. That was
a really long question for such a simple shut answer.
I think I don't think you'd be a very good lawyer.
He actually say that Dan went to law school twice twice.
(19:19):
We don't know if he just went he just went.
I went twice. I wanted to do it again to
prove myself. And now I'm representing myself in all my
trials and I haven't lost yet. Well they're not, none
of them are done yet. Babs, Babs, are you so?
Are you sober currently or was it just a one
year stint? I am but I mean, it hasn't been
one year since I started, So it started in August
twenty two, twenty two. I'm doing it for a year.
(19:40):
I'm calling it an experiment basically, So you didn't go
through a twelve step program or anything that you're just
I go and drive it. I've talked to a lot
of I saw on the podcast, Like every other week
i'll interview usually a comedian who is a sober, but
I haven't personally gone through the steps. I've been to
some meetings, but I haven't gone through them. Did it
not click with you like when you went? Was it?
Because there's a lot of God talk and sometimes I
can turn people off. I personally am very spiritual, so
(20:02):
it's cool with me. But I understand many cults, well
they're spiritual or just I've been part of many spiritual communities,
which i'll just call them cults now for practicality, so
you understand what I mean. But they're not cults when
you're inside them. Do you know what I mean? But yeah, yeah,
but I'm spiritual, are you? Do you find the spiritual
aspect of twelve step programs to be a turnoff, turn
on or neutral? Yeah? Kind of a turn off and
(20:24):
not something I'm super into. But I don't think that
that aspect. I know a lot of people who aren't
exactly you know, religious, who still do it. I actually
was thinking the other day because I was thinking about
the amends step. I was like, I don't think I
have anyone to make amends to perspect it sounds like
someone who's true. Yeah, that sounds like someone who needs it,
and I don't. I wouldn't normally encourage someone to join
a program like that. Well, Dan doesn't even believe in
(20:45):
the concept of amends. You don't believe in making amends, right,
So I do for young Kip. I have to, Okay,
I have to in order to show people that I'm Jewish.
So then when I need it. Wait, so you're supposed
to make amends? Is that also when you're fasting? Sure,
Dan's not a great Jew. Babs, you were an alcoholic.
You were a mess. Yeah, you were in the streets.
(21:10):
You keep those preamble to each question? Is the same
you were? You were just a mess, clothes tattered. But
you're also a woman in comedy. You know that sounds
like a bad life? Is your life bad? Could you
tell us about your bad life. Oh you know what, honestly,
it's pretty great to be really. Yeah, it just sounds
so bad on the surface. I mean I just couldn't.
(21:32):
I can't relate to it at all. Right, Well, you know,
I get to go around and make people laugh, and
I feel like that's a pretty good way to live
your life. You know, I've kind of I've kind of
like lived my whole life just having a lot of
fun and bringing trying to bring joyge people didn't think
about it that way. Well, let me ask you this
(21:52):
just and a simple, simple questions, simple answer. Who's better
at being sober? Men or women? Oh? My god? Um,
well I think in okay, why just because because we're women?
Good answer. I love that answer. See, I just that's support.
Let's see what we do that a lot. Dan we
say what just because? And now let's move on. I
love that. Well. That brings me to my next question.
(22:13):
The show Abstinence has a much larger audience, yes than
man thinkers? And how disconcerting is that for you, Babs
in terms of society. Isn't that a huge problem that
more people would listen to Abstinence than man thinkers? Oh? Um, no,
I think it's great. I think that when it comes
to guys like you, it's important to remember that you
exist and your thoughts actually exist, no in cells, I think,
(22:33):
and yeah, and that you aren't just like, you know,
a kind of fabrication, that you're a real human being,
woman being that we have to worry about. Yeah, because
if you don't, then especially you Dan, because I mean,
I think a lot of your rage and sadness just
comes from the fact that you want people to know
that you exist. Like, no one acknowledges your existence. You
don't have a relationship with your family, you don't have
(22:54):
any phrase, you don't have relationships. No one knows you exist,
No one knows your life. Do a little clips. I
love there's some great comedians out there, and actually, Babs,
I would love to know who's your favorite conservative comedian.
Who's the best conservative comedian out there? Oh my goodness. Um, Well,
in general, I don't find conservs to be super funny.
So an inflammatory, that's an inflammatory thing to say. I
(23:17):
feel like the last Jeff Foxworthy special on Netflix was
funny in a way that wasn't meant to be funny,
but was very funny. Yeah, like kind of like laughing
at him. It was very like my wife, right, you know, which,
that's funny. That was good than that part of your act.
Not yet, maybe it should be. That was very funny.
I like that my wife. That's good stuff. Babs are
(23:40):
on the same level because we both have comedic minds.
You're just way out there. You're just on an island
by yourself. And see, this is how comedy can be weaponized. George,
you're trying to weaponize it. And you know, I mean,
the majority of podcasts are hosted by men. Why do
you think men are so good? Is that talking and
reading ad copy? I mean, yeah, I think men men
like to hear them solves and other men speak. I
(24:01):
mean I feel bad for men actually because I feel
like they don't get to get into real subjects like
women do with each other. I could do the deep
stuff to feelings and the real stuff. Yeah, that's why
so many men are lonely, is they don't have anyone
to talk to. It's funny, you know, I consider myself
to be a man, a very deep man, and I
do like talking about feelings and relationships and things that
maybe not a lot of men like talking about. And
(24:22):
sometimes I try and open up to Dan and it's
just a blank wall. It's just there's nothing there. And
so I have a lot of females because a week.
It's only because George is weak. Now he brings up
you're a week and that you can't handle a conversation
like that. You just you just shell up like you Well,
let's do one right now. Okay, Um, how do you
think your relationship with your parents affected the fact that
you are an in cell PG you're talking about I
(24:45):
don't even know, dude, there you go, that's what. There
you go, that's what. And yeah, that was a good response.
We had a convert two way conversation. All right, let's
try another one. I think we should talk to bats
because she's our guest. But right, well, bads, you could
be a part of it, all right, yeah, yeah, you
could tell you would ask one of your girlfriends. Okay, Um, well, okay,
(25:08):
this is hard because you haven't had any relationships sou
So it's my fault that we can't have a conversation. No, No,
I'm just saying, you know a lot of times, that's
what we're talking about. Um, Okay, Dan, when you look
in the mirror, who do you see. This is not
something I would say to anything. Easy right, easy? That
was so easy, really interesting questions you and your girlfriends
(25:28):
ask you, can you look in the mirror? Don't think
of anything? Yeah, that's the first thing I do when
I hang out with my female friends. I say I
were a coffee and then we sit down at the
table and I say, Sharon, do you when you look
in the mirror, what do you see? She's like, huh, George,
we just sat down. I'm like, answer the question or
I'm leaving, So like, how are you really? Dan? This
is how I ask what's going on? Man? Thinkers? Is
going great? My sexual harassment cases are I'm not losing them?
(25:50):
So you are losing them? No, I'm not. I've been sued,
but I haven't lost Okay. Anyway, that's the kind of
that's the kind of response you get. So it's kind
of asking, well, actually, bad we should I should ask
you what is a way in like, even for me
if I want to talk to my male friends about
more meaningful conversations, is it just the is it just
like you force them to do it? Do you say, hey,
I don't want to have this kind of conversation? Are
you ready for that. What's a doorway in? I think, um,
(26:13):
being vulnerable yourself it is good, So being open about
how you're feeling. And I think letting them know, you know,
if you notice someone's down or something, just saying hey,
I'm here if you want to talk. I think letting
someone know you're available, and being vulnerable. Vulnerable. Vulnerables are
very difficult word. It is hard. I really don't. I
just disagree with that, just so that's out on that.
I'm not surprised. I just don't think it's a good idea,
you know, because if someone comes to me whining and crying,
(26:35):
it's like, get away from me. Well, that's what I'm saying.
You tell them, you tell them that you're available, gotten right, right,
and then you let them and then you let you
leave with it later. Do you have a favorite? Do
you have a favorite non alcoholic beverage? Baps? Because Dan's
looking for a new one. Something besides just water and sadness.
There's so many now. I feel like that's like they're there, water,
they're booming. What's your going. There's this thing called gia.
(26:57):
I don't even know how you pronounce them, but it's
g hi a h And it's like an appertif thing
and you can mix sense very European blow. Yeah, you
can mix it with like ginger beer and stuff like that.
And I don't know what it hasn't it, but it
does like give you a little chill chill out. I
have a drink for you, a caffeine and free diet pepsi.
That is so gross. Do they even make that damn caffeine.
(27:18):
I was growing up in Salt Lake they had caffeine
free diet coke. That was big hit. Really, the gold
can big hit. They're not supposed to drink caffeine though. Wow,
what boring people. I should move to Salt Lake City.
He should. I don't know. It sounds great. Pussy wow,
there we go, Dan, think about that. You could crush
(27:38):
some Mormon pussy clee. I can't, guys, that is just
beneath this show. What the idea that you would actually
have sex? I think the phrasing that was used. You know,
I'm a man, sorry, I am a female comic, so
I'm required to be vulgar. Yes, well, yes, that's a
liberal leaning. They just don't care. Oh no, we are,
we are sex positive and we out there hell yeah,
(28:01):
hell yeah, Oh that's so offend. If you were here,
you would just be having so much fun with Babs,
But instead you're somewhere else. That's kind of I wish
I was in Salt Lake City. Caffeine free DP dipeps
caffeine free DP. Oh boy, c dpe. The fact is
you need to drink more caffeine free diapets. Babs is
literally writing a text right now, sorry because she's so bored.
(28:22):
Asked to do a show. No, do it? Do it? Congratulations?
Sure that wasn't planted downtown. It's not downtown. Can you
get George on the show? They're gonna have to see
a tape, So do you have Yeah? No, I'm kind
of old school like you. I don't. I don't like
to old school people with the experience. Yeah, okay, let
me rephrase that. I'm all about the experience. You know,
the present moment is like you were either there for
(28:43):
it or you weren't. Okay, So if you want to
put me on on one of your shows, you got
to come see one of my shows. That's how That's
how downtown and that's kind of how I do it.
The thing, Babs, I don't I don't just between you
and me, Like I'm not really ready for like that
level of I'm scared you're not ready for doing it?
Do it up here? I do it? You know what
I'm saying. I have good bits. Yeah, yeah, but like
I haven't done it because I'm like scared. What are
(29:04):
you guys saying in the studio? Anyway, maybe later afterwards
you can like help me like get some confidence or something. Yeah,
like I said, just go to just go to see bed.
That's cool. That's cool. And also if you if you
want to collaborate, you know, in any sort of like
cross pollination when it comes to content. We're let's do
a show. Yeah, we'll do a great show together. Wow. Okay,
are you talking to about like a live show or
(29:25):
what are you talking about? I really know what we're
talking about. That The thing is we need help and
so you know, you seem like a helpful person. You're successful.
So we're just kind of throwing ideas out there. Cool,
you know, because we're really on you right now. Babs, why,
I'm just curious, that's a good What are you doing here?
She can't get why you're asking me. I'm just curious.
George was saying how successful you are. So I wanted
(29:46):
to kind of measure myself have like over one hundred
dollars in cash on Wow because I was recently traveling
and thought I should have some with me. Dan walks
around like a dollar in his wife at all times.
He refuses, Well, I I use we have man coin
is a digital currency. That's um. We do have a
first show if you're interested. We have very cool here.
It's the future. It is the future. It is the future,
(30:08):
and it's now too. So how much did you say
you had on you, like a hundred? I don't know exactly. Yeah,
she's getting us down, all right. I'm just saying you
could that could be man coin and instead of having
to carry around some heavy dollars you have it. I
could do that. But it's also a Girl Scout season,
so I could also get a lot of Girl Scout
cookies exactly. Wait for man coin. No, I'm just saying
I could get it instead of man Yeah. I was
(30:30):
going to say man coin. They do not accept that. Yeah,
we've tried, but they're not. Yeah. Well, Babs, it was
really great getting to know a liberal artist. I see,
you know the differences that we have and maybe the
slightest liver of connection. Yeah. Do you want to tell
any of the thinkers at home where they could hear you,
see you any of that stuff? Yeah, you can catch me.
(30:51):
I have a weekly comedy podcast called Lady to Lady
you can listen to every Wednesday on the Exactly Right Network,
and then ba Abstinence comes out sort of every Monday.
I'm it's kind of bad about it because it's just me,
but that's yeah, me talking to people about being so
very cool. Yeah, and follow me at Bab's Gray all
the stuff very cool. Well, Babs, thank you so much
for being a man thinkers. We really appreciate your time.
Thank you, guys. We hope you like Bab's Gray. Well,
(31:16):
I'm sure people did. But you know, as an other
person in the interview who does not care whether the
person on our show likes me or not, I care
about getting to the truth. The truth was, you know,
very nuanced. She was very nuanced. She thought about every
answer instead of answering from her gut. I think actually
she was answering from her gut and improvising the answer.
(31:37):
But that improvised answer just was quite nuanced. That's how
people who have a high level of intelligence and our
critical thinkers that's how they answer questions. Whereas for you now,
I think it's a bit more of a when you're
talking about high levels of government, the situations that we're
currently in with global politics, and you want to say, hey,
give me a nuanced answer on how we should respond
(31:57):
to Russia to China. Yeah, okay, well we talked about
China earlier and so we know where we do. I
do align with you on that. I say bomb China always,
you know, just get to it. But and bomb is
a it's yes, no or bomb. I should have said
that when we were those are and that's always an
option thinkers. There's you can always say yes. You can
always say nuclear, or you can bomb. You can always bomb. Guys,
(32:18):
we had a great time today, I mean, you know,
absolutely and always. If we'll even have a show next
week with all the alien stuff, I mean, maybe you know,
by next week we could be living in a very
different hoping whatever happens, whatever changes with the aliens, that
they are working for us. Please, they're running the socials,
they're doing all the things that we that are difficult
for us to do. Right, we don't and that is
why again. You know, I like these aliens, so it's
(32:41):
good to have them on the team. Welcome to Earth.
To the people out there listening, five stars, you got
to do it. This is the week evening it off.
This is the week, because just do it. A man
crosses things off. There to do. A man rates a
podcast called Man Thinkers. Five stars. That's what a man.
Absolutely okay, good to our female lit s man, we'd
love another wait wait yeah, exactly. And your masculine side.
(33:04):
There's a masculine side to everything. Absolutely, everything's got I
agree with you on that, George. Thank keep you on
that that women should also give us five stars. Yes,
well we can, and that's how you bridge the gap. Guys.
So listeners, keep listening, keep thinking, follow us on the
socials at Man Thinkers, email us at Man Thinkers podcast
at gmail dot com. But most importantly, five stars, five stars,
Keep thinking.
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
Ridiculous History
History is beautiful, brutal and, often, ridiculous. Join Ben Bowlin and Noel Brown as they dive into some of the weirdest stories from across the span of human civilization in Ridiculous History, a podcast by iHeartRadio.