February 2, 2023 • 31 mins
Dan criticizes George's mustache before debating whether or not Big Farming is to blame for the recent spike in egg prices. Then, The Thinkers welcome cultural journalist and fellow podcaster, Rachelle Hampton, to help them understand this weird thing called 'The Internet.'
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Guy's market is dumping right, Oh my god, I mean
you can't get any money on crypto. The yields, all
the yields are got, The yields are gone, terrible yields.
You know what never loses value? What's that? Spices? Golangal
star Anie, Okay, the list goes on. People love this stuff.
People can't stop putting it in their mouths, and it's
in every freaking stew So why not you get a
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piece of that? Okay, Marco Polo, you know the name.
This guy got rich off them. Why can't that happen
to you? Order spices and large quantities. They're gonna come
in big bags and big barrels. Well, you can bring
them to the countries that don't have the spices yet, okay, Australia, Yeah,
they don't have a lot of spices. There's not a
lot of spices there. You bring them over, you become
your own Marco Polo. So check out the spice trade
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dot com, register as a spice trader, and yeah, don't
sleep on glangal So it's a it's a big one.
You've been pushing blangl spice. Well, I've got a lot
of money and these spices come cheap berry and you
could mark them up market up make some cash. The
market itself is dumping overall, the stock market, not spice market,
spice Mart and spices going. You're listening to The Man
(01:06):
Thinker's Podcast, a show that forges a new roadmap for
the modern man on how the Best lived Life. I'm
George Collins, a former liberal cup hole, and I'm Dan Finkelstein,
a staunch libertarian Instead trigger warning, you will be triggered.
We're gonna have a great show. So, um, do you
wanna Are you just gonna hit up the bathroom and
then well, why I'm good? Or well, do you want
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to sort of take you want to shave that off?
Or my mustache? Well, and that whatever it is down
there too, Well, no, that's the mustache. It's is that
like a Van Dyke, it's like on purpose? Well, Adam
Driver has it and and Keanu Reeves and stuff. Cool guys, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I know, I know. But do you want to shave
that off so we can have the show? I came
in like this and did this on purpose. I wouldn't
they grow like that? Naturally, I'm gonna have to shave
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the sides right to get the you don't like it
is what you're saying. No, no no, no, I I just
didn't realize it was on purpose. It just seemed like
something like a middle school kid, you know, and kids
like they can't even grow beards. Well, I'm saying they
you come in with like the little kind of dirty mustache,
look like, you know, eighties kind of mullet. You think dirtier? Absolutely,
So you think I look less trustworthy? Certainly? Yeah, you
look like a Charlotte. And here's the thing. I think
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you're biased against facial hair because you can't grow facial hair.
It's a fair point. You know, a lot of our
early episodes, I'm railing against big, hardy beards. But I
was a younger man then I understand who I am.
What are you talking? I understand who I am now?
And Okay, I can't grow anything. But I think a
man professionally should look clean. I think this looks clean.
I think this looks like a clean I'm not going
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to say this is great, but it just seems like
it kind of fell onto your face a little bit,
like if I blew hard enough, it feels like it
would blow off. Stop blowing right, listen, I isn't think
this makes me look cool. I think this makes me
look a little edgier, a little bit more dangerous. I'm
saying I do the opposite. Okay, people think of me
as like a little boy. But then you start talking
and immediately, don't you know, they're blown away. They're immediately
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scared of you, and they're like, this guy's an asshole.
They look at me and say this guy is a creep.
But then they talk to me and they go, oh,
he's not so bad. So I think it's better to
always not so bad that fully hated that little boy
over there. I hate that guy. No, I'm a man.
What I'm saying you set the bar correctly. If our
guests come into the studio and they see me, this
must have perfect. I'm not doing this and they talk
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to me, I actually like this guy. Now a sudden,
they really like me because they expected not to like me.
For you. They come in and they say, I like
this guy off the bat. Then they go, oh, I
hate this guy, but they because I hate you because
you set the bar, and like, you got to set
the bar and dislike so you can go to like
playing mind games here that's always playing life in the
mind game. To me, you haven't figured that out yet,
then you're losing. Well, you mean, that's unnatural as a man.
(03:35):
A man comes in as himself and then proves everyone wrong.
There's nothing unnatural about this. This is my extremely unnatural.
I'm just trying to point out the obvious. That's what's
everyone's seen is you look like a fifth grader who
went started puberty that weekend and showed up to the
bus stop on Monday, And everyone's like, dude, you got
to ask your dad or someone to help you with that.
(03:55):
Get some nair and just clean that up. I like,
I didn't realize it would be such a traction for you.
I can't. I just can't look at you. Hey man,
what did you get into? Like a scuffle? But that's
what I'm saying. I like that I got into it.
Like I look like a bruiser that you look like
a guy who could get into a fight, like neighborhood.
I look like a guy from the neighborhood. That seems
like a bad thing. Until want to be like those
guys get arrested, they go to jail. Robert de Neiro
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in mean streets, you ever see that movie. I know
who did it, all right, I know who made it. Yeah,
tiny like the man, I look like Johnny. Why do
you want to look like a guys crazy? Liberally they're liberal.
Cut they're not, They're not liberal. They don't even care
about politics. Nero obsessed with I'm talking about the characters
he plays. Characters he plays are not liberal. All the
cool guys he plays are either libertarian. There, yeah, conservative
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taxi driver. That guy was a conservative and a murderer, right,
which is cool. Well, once again we disagree on every
single point. But we got a great episode coming up.
So it's a doozy guys, and we really we aim
for doozies every time, and sometimes we've missed the mark.
It's just like a dirty butthole. It is talking and
it's hard to I just can't. Can I just look
past you? Then it's not extract Yeah, I hear you. Man,
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that's better. This is better. If you're looking at the ceiling,
you look like a fucking idiot. But this is working
better for me because otherwise, fine, all right, George, coming up,
we're gonna be talking about new statistics that show that
I can't look at my I can't look at my cap.
You can't turn? Just why because if I turn, and
then I might end up looking at you, and then
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that's the problem. I'm not I'm just trying to look.
Let's just go. Do you want me to shase? Today's
news Top Stories Top Stories Guys. You know I I
haven't personally seen this because I don't do my own
grocery shopping, but I've heard that the price of eggs
it has risen about since last year. It's scary, and
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it's scaring you know a lot of our listeners. This
is affecting a lot of middle class and lower class
and can carry in a call min when it comes
to inflation. When your eggs are inflated this much, everything's
down the pipe, right, eggs first, It's always eggs first,
and well, even an eggs first economy, we always have,
always have basically well, and I believe this is true.
And since I believe it, it is true. I think
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eggs were the first currency trade. I'm wondering how do
we get it back in line. Well, that's what brings
me Today's big question. Do all women wish they were
their own feces cure auto? Would children be safer if
everyone's stopped having sejo biden me the first ghost price
washing your hands. Actually, bad house is so scary. Should
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eggs be free? You're talking about zero cost at the
supermarket for a dozen eggs. I mean, look at the
animal kingdom. Eggs are completely free for most of these
egg eating animals. I mean you look at what a
weasel does, fox or a fox, I mean, those guys
aren't paying anything. And so if we want to be
our best selves as men, tap into our most animalistic,
primal lifestyle, primal lifestyle, and for chickens to be making
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as much money as they're making, I mean now they're
just price gouging. And that to me, I'm thinking Big
Chicken is gotten together and they're just it's always big profit.
Could just be honest about this for a second. Big
Chicken has been running the agricultural industry for decades. It
and again we said it's an egg first economy. And
that's what's happening right now. Why are eggs more expensive?
What's going on with the chickens and with the farmers?
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Like why I don't understand is there a lack of chickens? Well,
you would think that the eggs would be bigger or
something had eggs gotten bigger. While I did my own research,
I had a little trouble measuring them because I kept
crushing it accident. They're very delicate. You're also very rageful,
so it's hard for you to like hold hold on
to something. So I didn't really get a feel somewhere.
Every time you shake my hand, I feel like you're
gonna brings. Well, that's because I am trying to break
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your wrist. Okay, it's it's an attempt to dominate entails
every time, but you know that it's coming well. And
also I'm weakening the bones and the cartilage. So by
the time about six years from now, one handshake six
you'll be in my review mirror. But in six years,
six years, broken hands. No Dan Finkelstein, just George Collins,
just a dirty mustache you wish for. Ben Shapiro are
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going to be making excellent content and six years so
you can't. You can't do that with Ben. He would
he would, He doesn't even would hate you. Ben loves
Ben would think you're such a dweep. He would think
that you're just trying to be him. No, he wouldn't.
He'd be like I want to be. I am not
don't want to be Ben shapiras I was doing this
annoying Jewish thing way before he was. Are you older
than Ben Shapira? What does that even matter? It matters
when you began doing the personality that you have. Now
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it's not stick for him, it's stick for me. It's real.
I'm real. We're talking about eggs, and the price of
eggs is gone up. It's astronomical it is right now.
And these chickens are getting rich. I mean, have you
seen farmers lately? They got these John Deer tractors. Like
I'm a man of the people, okay, blue collar workers.
I love factory workers, dirty scummy people. At a large
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majority of farmers are massively I love people who wear
dungarees overalls. But these farmers doing they're getting rich is
what they're off the eggs. They're saying, oh, well, now
you have been getting paid way too much money in
this country for decades. I mean, it was ridiculous these guys. Food.
It's just food, Like would be free, give me the food.
And I don't believe in socialism. I think you should
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have to pay for it. Socialized farming while they're already
getting subsidies. The government is paying for these eggs. The
government is paying for the eggs. We did the research
to get the chickens as big and fat and voluptuous
as they are. Their breasts are walk They should be
producing fat, juicy eggs and shut up about it. Yeah.
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But instead, all we hear from the farmers, who I love,
by the way, love farmers. I love farmers. I'm a
man of the people. I love. All we hear from
farmers is all we need help, We need help. Meanwhile,
they're sitting on their John Deer tractor that they could
fix whenever they want. They just got that is dollars.
Once you put that into the eggs, you're driving basically
a BMW. You got a computer on there so you
have the new Basically you're basically driving a Tesla around
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on grass for fun. Because you don't even need to
be doing you can just have a robot to it.
I'm sure Elon can make a robot that does it
way better than Elon is going to solve modern day farming.
Let's I'm sure of it. Yeah. I would make a
million dollar bet right now with anybody thinkers if you
guys want to bet Dan a million dollars on whether
or not Elon must will solve modern day farming with
the Tesla bat hit us up Man Thinkers podcast at
(09:57):
gmail dot com at Man Thinkers on the Socials, Happy
talk about and guys follow us again. You gotta follow
us please. I mean I have a question. Should we
reduce the number of eggs you can get in the
store and that somehow helps drive prices down so instead
of getting a dozen eggs you get to happen to
the consumer, it looks like the prices coming down, they're
just getting less eggs less. That's called sr inflation. That
is a that is a way to do it. I
do think people might get a little frustrated if they
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don't know. They don't know, they don't know. It feels
like a big difference between twelve eggs and six eggs
and eggs. Okay, what if it's a leaven eggs and
then one's a dummy and he's like, you don't know,
false egg, false egg for false flags false egg. But
is that going to be difficult for the stores? I
mean that just seems like you're I'm trying to drive
and if we put in a fake egg like an
Easter egg or something. Yeah, come on, it's plastic. Plastics
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the cheapest commodity in the world. And kids love Easter eggs,
and kids love plastic. Kids love plastic. I mean I
love plastic. Can we just say that here? You're child,
you know you you we were raised at a time
where plastics with the devil. But I I say, now,
I love plastic. We're having a plastics renaissance in America
right now, and we are entering a golden age of plastic, fantastic,
plastics and polymer's. It should be a superhero name Mr
(11:02):
Fantastic Plastic. He says, hey, toss that, recycle it, it
doesn't matter, it's okay. His superpower instead of like shooting
out spider webs like Spider Man, he shoots out plastic bags. Plastic.
That's true, that would be great. He suffocates his enemy
like wow, that's and then he says, hey, can someone
recycle this? That's funny, that's good. See, this is why
you were you should writer. Well, we're going to talk
to some Hollywood celebrities real soon, we are. We should
(11:25):
We should get some ideas that we want to pitch
to Orbo, guys, Kevin Sorbo will be on Man Thinkers.
You guys remember Hercules, of course you do, everybody The
Adventures of Hercules the number one show in the world.
And Zena was the hottest woman ever and like he
probably knows her April. I wonder if he slept with her.
I mean, yes, we gotta ask him that, did you
sleep with Zeno? Warrior princess? Is there a warrior? We
could say, is there a warrior princess that you may
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or may not have had sex with? Yeah? But guys,
what we would love from you is because Sorbo is
so huge, one of the biggest, submit some of your questions.
Man Thinkers at gmail dot com, Man Thinkers Podcasts at
gmail dot com. Well, you know, run the socials. I
have to do that for you. I can't do it.
I just don't know how to use a computerist. I
know you're an idiot, but srebows up in a couple
of weeks, guys, today's interview is with Rachel Hampton. She's
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a podcaster, a journalist, and a progressive. So getting ready
to get the gloves off, guys. But first up, advertisements
and thank yours, Please don't fast forward through the ads. Okay,
in fact, slow him down flame and half speed, so
you can really soak in the consumerism. We have a
(12:30):
really interesting guest, really interesting conversation coming up, Rael Hampton.
Rachel Hampton journalists. She's a journalist and a podcast host.
Normally I don't like talking to podcast hosts and journalists
because they often are envious of us exactly, and they're like,
there's gonna be a problem and thinkers, wow this by
and I said, and I sensed that from her in
a conversation. I think some of the thinkers will hear
(12:50):
that too. When there's some disagreements, they're going to be like, well,
obviously the man thinkers are correct. Yeah, I mean there
there are times, right what I'm saying now and I
don't want to set up anyone's expectations. Well I can.
I can set up the expectations Rachel. It was really
great to have her. She's really smart, really well spoken
of Dan on a few topics. So guys don't check
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out this interview. But remember George didn't lose. Why George
because he didn't engage because he's a coward. No, I
know when I'm gonna lose and I know when to
kind of deer clear. George always knows when he's gonna lose,
and that's why he's always cowering. I've never lost. Undefeated,
undefeated him undefeated zero defeats himself, right, zero, zero and zero.
I've never been defeated. That's the I don't know why
(13:34):
you're acting like this is bad. I'm just saying, I'm
an undefeated man. You're an undefeated man. How many men
can say that? Many men who are pathetic. Alexander the Great,
jengis Con, Jengis con, Alexander the Great, George You, we're
all undefeated man, Alexander Graham Bell. Who are you talking about? Anyways?
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Rachel Hampton is a culture writer and reporter at Slate
and the co host of the podcast In Case You
Missed It. Her writing has also appeared in a number
of woke publications, New Republic, Pacific Standard, Smithsonian Magazine. So
she's accomplished. She's an accomplished I'll give her that. She's
the mainstream media. So, Rachel, thank you so much for
(14:16):
being here, Thank you for having me. Um you forgot
the Washington Post, and you know, and I appreciate the
name drop because we're trying to listen. We don't like
the Washington Post, of course not, but we do want
to be successful and so published by them. And that's
actually one of the first questions I wanted to ask you, Rachel,
is like, before we get into the politics, how did
you become successful? And what should we be doing because
you're a successful podcaster journalists? Like these are things you know,
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Dan had a stint in journalism, failed miserably, but people
didn't want to read what I was writing, even though
it was very good. Right if a young person were old,
But if a young person came to you and said,
how do I get started in podcasting and journalism, what
would you tell them? I would probably say, don't um prospect.
I would say the same thing. I would just say,
the podcast market is really crowded right now, and there
are a lot of you know, I think every I'm
(15:00):
sorry to say every man with the microphone thinks that
the world wants to hear their thoughts. And I'm not
necessarily sure if that's true, But I would say the
most important thing is to have a distinct point of view,
you know, don't try to copy anybody else. I know
a lot of people have heroes, but I would say,
don't emulate your heroes. Interesting, because the crux of our
show is we think we have ideas that people want
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to hear. So that's sort of are I think ours
are specifically we have specific ideas that people want to hear.
And also we talk. We talked pretty loud, which I
think is different than some podcasts and podcasters are quiet.
So true, King, so true. Thank you for calling Danny King.
I don't know if he deserves it, because he is
he is an in cell. I don't know if you
know danse the podcast. That's that's an accomplishment. Sure you
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should be proud of. I would you're you're maybe perhaps
you're the king of in cells. I would give you
that whatever, I'll take it. Okay, Well, how did you
get your start in journalism? Had you always had the
intention I hate America, so I want to bring about
a leftist agenda and write about that or what? What?
What was your thought process? I went to high school
in Texas and I thought, you know what, I don't
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think I want to stay here, So what career can
I do that? Will you know, help me travel? And
I love to write, and so I was like those
two things combined equal journalism. Then I went to journalism school,
where I've learned the tricks of the trade, and now
I'm here, Well, why not be a stewardess in that case?
You know, you can fly, Maybe you can get something
in Skymall or whatever the you know, proprietary magazines for
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each airline. Maybe you could ask the pilot if you
don't know who runs the magazines, but you would ask
the pilot if the pilot have an article in there. Um.
I don't like people that much, and I felt perhaps
I would not do well with customers who were annoying. Why.
I find a lot of stewardesses don't like people because
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the way they they don't like you. They don't like people.
I would say a lot of people in general don't
like you. You kind of are constantly sort of annoying people,
which I think is again, I have your brand. I
have a strong brand. Listen, Rachel, if you don't like people,
you're gonna love us because we are some of the
I would say, we're two of the two of the
highest integrity people very cot world. Yeah, absolutely, you know
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what I mean. We we listen. Our numbers are low,
but we say that we admitted how many downloads you
all have? You know, I don't want to get into
this specifically, hundreds of thousands. I would say I expected
hundreds of thousands. I don't know if that's actually we
should talk to Hans. But does your podcast in case
you missed it? Well, before we get into the numbers
of your podcast and whether they're better than ours or not,
which they probably it's probably not, but where did you
get the idea? And what is the show? Yeah, in
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case you missed it or I See I Am I
as a show about internet culture comes out twice a week,
and the kind of broad line of it was that
we wanted to help people sound like the smartest person
in their group chat. There's just a lot happening on
the Internet at any given moment, and I think it's
really hard to know what to pay attention to, and
so we try to kind of distill down what's actually
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important and show that a lot of the things that
we think are random or new actually have a really
long history on the Internet. What advice would you give
to someone of just like, Hey, if you want to
understand what's happening on the internet, these are the sites
to go to. This is how to you know, quote
unquote surf the internet to understand what's going on in
our culture, what's in the zeitgeist. Mm hmmm. Um. I've
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noticed a lot of people are really hesitant to get
on TikTok and even three, which is fascinating to me
because every single website is trying to turn into TikTok.
But I would say, you're not. You don't really understand
the culture or the Internet if you're not on TikTok.
Right now, so much of cultural production that we see
on other websites is just echoes of TikTok. Twitter is
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basically TikTok regurgitated, and honestly, unfortunately, Twitter is still up
there in terms of the discourse read it. And yeah,
I would say that those are maybe the top three
in terms of really understanding how people feel. Now, what
if I'm not saying this is me, I'm saying there's
probably some people out there that have made a user
name and then are like, I don't understand what this is?
What are they showing me? And then you close it
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and you don't open it again for a long time
because you're scared for those people. Okay, Yeah, for those people,
I would say that you can't close TikTok for a
long amount of time. The algorithm kind of works based
on your previous history, and so what happens when you
close the app for a long time is that it
just starts giving you what is most broadly popular. So
you'll probably get a lot of cat videos or really
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random ship basically, But as you spend more time on it,
it will start to fine tune what you actually want
to see. So I would say you have you kind
of have to spend a lot of time. You get
out what you put in. And is TikTok an instrument
of the Chinese government? Like we're just hesitant because you know,
I Google knows so much about me, and I'm just
concerned that TikTok knows a lot about me, which means
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that the CCP knows a lot about me. Is that true, Rachel?
That's for TikTok to say. Probably is the thing. No
one really knows how much information TikTok is collecting on
its users, or where exactly what exactly that that data
is being used for. But if you think about it, Google, Facebook, Twitter,
they all have your data. Why not give it to
another company. That's what I always say about data, like
(19:59):
you're already given in a way. I think we should
all be sharing our data all the time, including our
DNA data. You know, I did that twenty three and
me thing where you spit into a cup and then
it tells you, like, hey, you're half Neanderthal and I
am actually half anderthalf I'm up there. Most people are
like two percent. Well, I'm pretty high, and I think
that's and I think that your dad or mom is
a full Neanderthal. I don't know the exact lineage. I'm
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just saying to grandparents, thank you, Rachel, thank you. Maybe
it was two grandparents who were full Neanderthal, Dawn, so
you would know that. All I'm saying is it makes
me more. I haven't looked into exactly what are ne
androwthal lee traits, but I think that means I'm smarter
and better looking. I think it's the opposite. No, I
think you're wrong, but I think the thing is more
of a pronounced brow. You have a way bigger brow
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than me, so so you're probably more Nanderthal than I am. Anyway, Rachel,
you know, should I be sharing my DNA data with
the world, Like, should I just go on Facebook or
the talk as I like to call it, that's short
for TikTok and just sort of say, hey, world, this
is my DNA, here my weaknesses. I'm probably gonna get Alzheimer's.
IM probably gonna get Parkinson's, you know, higher risk of
these diseases. Like is that a smart thing to do
on the Internet just sort of release your data? I
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don't see the harm in it at this point. I mean,
I don't really know what somebody on the Internet would
do with the fact that your predisposed Alzheimer's besides sending
you a targeted ad about it. Speaking of targeted ads,
how does it work exactly? You're you're an Internet aficionado, Like,
are the phones listening to us? Do they know our conversations?
What's going on there? Yeah, I've had this question for
(21:21):
a long time. Um. Importantly, I'm an Internet culture journalist,
more of a cultural critic, which means that I still
believe in some conspiracy theories about tech. But all of
my tech journalist friends tell me that the phones are
not listening to us, and what is happening is in
fact worse, and that they are scraping every single bit
of data that could possibly get from your phone to
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figure out what perfume you want on Instagram. Well see,
And I don't believe this, this conspiracy that the phones
are listening because I get ads for pornographic things all
the time. Toys. No, what I'm trying to say here
is that it's not doing at because I don't talk.
Your phone knows that you're an in cell and it's
trying to help you. Guys. I don't want to make
(22:04):
this personal. Have you heard of manifestation? I'm big into
manifestation and I've tried to push it on Dan and
he won't do it. He's just manifesting a terrible, terrible,
terrible life. Now you're giving us. There you go, But
don't you think enough bad karma. I'm not sure how
to finish that thing. I don't think. Are you a
manifesto Rachel? Are you a man? Are you into manifestation? Yes?
I would say I like to pretend that I'm not,
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but I generally believe that. Do you think I'm pretty
anti manifest destiny? I would say I think that was
that's manifestation. That was a group of good, hardy European
men saying I wish we had the whole continent, you know,
and then manifested it. I would say that they perform genocide,
and if that's part of the manifestation, I don't think
(22:47):
that's how that works. I mean, I think a lot
of the times you're just you have to take the
next step that's available to you, and then I I'm
not saying that come up with an idea. I'm just
saying that's the last out of the profect profit genocide profit. Rachel,
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Here's my question, where is wokeness going? You know? What
I mean is are we going to live in a
world where you can't make a joke and you can't
ever ask somebody out like, where are we going with
all this? I think that really depends on if you
believe wokeness is a thing right now and what wokeness
actually means. So I don't know if I can say
that it has a future, because I can't really say
that it has a pass because it's kind of a
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made up term. Well, I know that. Here's the thing,
how I know it exists. There are certain things that
I don't like, because wokeness to me is things that
I don't like. So that's how I know it's there
and it exists. Does that make sense? So if I
don't like strawb ice cream as stracream, now woke ice
cream used to be two colors exactly, black chocolate or vanilla.
Now we got strawberry, strawberry Neapolitan Italian? Was there always
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stray there was always, but it was it was, it
was always three colors? Connie history right now? Okay, Rachel,
So you mentioned it depends how you define what wokeness is.
Do you think wokeness is a thing, and how would
you define it culturally or how do you see it
being defined on the internet. Well, woke was originally a
term from African American vernacular English, a v or as
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it used to be called the bonnets, and it meant
when black people used it among themselves to be aware
of the ways in which society is stacked against black
people historically. And then it became very popular on the
Internet and it was applied to anybody who displayed any
sort of knowledge of historical injustice. And now it just means,
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you know, as as Dan said, anything that people don't
like is wokeness gone awry. So I was correct about that.
Interesting you are correct that is what people are saying.
So is it is it a term that's even used
anymore within the African American community. I think it's pretty
much lost this meaning. It's kind of like for schizzle,
where we just don't do that anymo Are are there
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any other terms right now that we might that George
and I might not know about that we should know about.
I'm not going to share them because there are being
a guest there, you are being a guest, and I
would like to have those words right. I'm sure I could. Yeah,
I mean that that makes a lot of senive them
to me. Um, come on, thank you. I don't think
you should use I can, I can use this, and
(25:23):
I will. You can use that cool cat. Everyone's using
that right now. She's trying to sculpt you to look
like like what like you really dated? Just the lace
work in cycles, because I'm gonna be the first one
when everyone's all the kids are saying cool can and
be like the seventies. Man. I'm trying to help you.
I'm sure listen, Rachel, I've been trying to get this
man laid and not be a freaking insult, and he's
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just he cannot help himself. It's it's only eats fast
food do you want for yourself? Not even using the
term correctly yourself? That doesn't make any sense even when
that word and term was being used that I'm change it.
Words change over time, language evolves. I mean that's true.
That is for Schisel yourself be a cool cat for once.
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I'm just worried about wokeness ruining kind of everything that
I like. I mean, what is woken is going to
do to my favorite websites? Eight cham I think you're
okay on that one. I think that one will always
say the same. Is there like a a leftist equivalent
of eight Champ? Is there a website or a place
on the Internet where the wokees go to sort of congregate? Um? No.
(26:27):
I would say the closest is probably Twitter. Back in
the day, I would have said tumbler, but tumblers mostly
for fandoms. Now you were a big tumbler guy, weren't you.
I was a big everything guy. I love technology. I
love meeting people on there. For Schissel Rachel. Is there
even a black Twitter? Because people say that there is,
but I look around and I haven't seen it. That's
probably I'm Okay, I searched it and I don't see anything.
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There's no website for it for you. I think you'll
eventually find it. It's a quest. I would say, only
the worthy gets to find it. This is a very
King Arthur kind of story. It's the person who's worthy
gets a sword in the stone. I get to find out.
I don't think it is the thing or not. I
don't know if you're worthy to get the sword in
the stone. I'm out here working hard. I'm trying to
understand both what's the goal there? Just to what's the
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goal of having the sword? You get a cool sword.
I get a cool looking, literal sword. It's culturally just
a metaphor anyway, for King Arthur, he gets a sword.
You guys need to know your history. King Arthur wanted
that sword because it was cool. King Arthur's not real,
So is any of it real? Was Leonardo DaVinci real? Yes? Again,
And these are the conspiracies that we want to talk
about on the show. Rachel, I have a question, who
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are the hottest hots? You tell us, you know the internet,
who's the hottest hots on the internet right all the time,
right now? No, like right now on the Internet. Who
does the Internet say is the hottest of the hot?
Where are the man thinkers? You know, I think once
y'all's audience grows, maybe you'll be on the list. But
I think we're just you're on, You're on the come up,
So I don't think you're going to make the list
right now. I would say, surprisingly, Bill Burnham is up
(27:54):
there for a lot of people. Uh, palm mescal really popular.
Timothy shallow May Michael B. Jorge, Yeah, yeah, you know
Timothy Shallomy. I just you know, he looks like a
little torp like he seems like a nice guy. I'm not,
and I think he is a good actor, like a
nice guy. Really seems like a psycho. Why why would
you say that? Because he's a Hollywood star? Well, you
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know what they do. Sure, I don't want to speak
out of turn, but he's likely a pedophile. Feels like
speaking out of turn? Do you think so? I think so.
Accusing someone of being a pedophile, it's pretty pretty strong, Rachel.
I don't want to I'm not here to argue you,
just saying my point that likely, based on his success,
timsy Shallomy is a pedophile. But I'm not going to
speak out of turn. I mean, you just did that.
He kind of did it again. I'm not going to
(28:36):
do it again. But you know, if people agree with that,
and if they were to spread that online, I can't
control that. I can't control the discourse. That's how misinformation works.
But that's how real information works too. So there's both sides,
both sides, both sides, and I think that's the crux
of our conversation today, both sides. That's there's a thinkers,
it's anything you can take away from our conversation with
Rachel today, it's just both sides, both sides. And then
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just let it be exactly. You know, tim'thy Shall could
be a pedophile, both sides done any of the both sides.
One side endorses one s side, does not endorse both side,
both sides. Well, thanks for bringing that concept, because I
don't think I would have gotten there without Rachel's help.
You're so welcome. I'm so glad I could help you
out there. Both sides for schil, both sides manifest Well, Rachel,
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thank you so much for being on the show. Guys,
check out Rachel's podcast. I think she's going to talk
about man thinkers on There are a lot more. Yeah,
because obviously we're gonna man think he's gonna blow up
on the internet. So Rachel, whether you like it or not,
you're gonna have to say, hey, you know, these guys
have actually been doing it for a while and the
internet just noticed, you know. Yeah, I'll go back to
my team has got a whole team. Well, Rachel, do
(29:41):
you like ever lend out your team? Yeah? Yeah, would
you give us your team? No? Probably not, And that's
why on both sides, but if we start using them
both sides. Thank you for not yucking or for expressing
both sides and for keeping it for Schisel, You're so welcome. Well,
I really liked her, and I think she really really
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I think she I think she tolerated us, and I
think well, and again both sides, both sides right. And
some people might think that matters. Smart people would know
that it doesn't. And I will commend her for a
courage to come on and just spar with two of
the smartest, most intellectually curious men that have ever podcasting. Yeah,
and just to know for someone like her to come
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on the show and just lose time after time. But
that's the way gracefully and that's the only way that
you get better. So that was inspiring to me exactly.
It was just to be like, oh, yes, this is
like a child in a karate class. I was getting
on time and time again on the ground, say bringing
them back up and saying, try, I I get I
understand the picture you're trying to pain here. I would say, though, Dan,
(30:45):
that there were a few instances, especially when you referenced
history and historical events, where She's right, I think you
got beat pretty bad. And so that's what's good about
the makers are and they Shower would ever keep tracking.
It's not about keeping track. Thinking is about one orring
what else is out there? And I wonder what Rachel
is going to say about us on her shows, and
if if we're lucky enough for her to even mention us,
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I don't think it will be positive. That's the problem.
And see I wanted to talk about that became on
and had a great time on the show. I think
she did enjoy herself. Thinks I really don't appreciate it
when you're so antagonistic and then you lose. Like if
you're going to be antagonistic, win, you have to win.
Do you know what I did I want you didn't.
Where's the Where's the scorecard that says that I lost
both sides? Both sides? So I have and I have
(31:29):
one that says you lost, and I have one that
says you lost. Whatever, guys, keep thinking boom. That's all
you guys need. Enjoy that um and enjoy the rest
of your week. Thinkers, thank you for thinking with us.
Keep thinking.
Guy's market is dumping right, Oh my god, I mean
you can't get any money on crypto. The yields, all
the yields are got, The yields are gone, terrible yields.
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People can't stop putting it in their mouths, and it's
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(00:20):
piece of that? Okay, Marco Polo, you know the name.
This guy got rich off them. Why can't that happen
to you? Order spices and large quantities. They're gonna come
in big bags and big barrels. Well, you can bring
them to the countries that don't have the spices yet, okay, Australia, Yeah,
they don't have a lot of spices. There's not a
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your own Marco Polo. So check out the spice trade
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dot com, register as a spice trader, and yeah, don't
sleep on glangal So it's a it's a big one.
You've been pushing blangl spice. Well, I've got a lot
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could mark them up market up make some cash. The
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spice Mart and spices going. You're listening to The Man
(01:06):
Thinker's Podcast, a show that forges a new roadmap for
the modern man on how the Best lived Life. I'm
George Collins, a former liberal cup hole, and I'm Dan Finkelstein,
a staunch libertarian Instead trigger warning, you will be triggered.
We're gonna have a great show. So, um, do you
wanna Are you just gonna hit up the bathroom and
then well, why I'm good? Or well, do you want
(01:28):
to sort of take you want to shave that off?
Or my mustache? Well, and that whatever it is down
there too, Well, no, that's the mustache. It's is that
like a Van Dyke, it's like on purpose? Well, Adam
Driver has it and and Keanu Reeves and stuff. Cool guys, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I know, I know. But do you want to shave
that off so we can have the show? I came
in like this and did this on purpose. I wouldn't
they grow like that? Naturally, I'm gonna have to shave
(01:50):
the sides right to get the you don't like it
is what you're saying. No, no no, no, I I just
didn't realize it was on purpose. It just seemed like
something like a middle school kid, you know, and kids
like they can't even grow beards. Well, I'm saying they
you come in with like the little kind of dirty mustache,
look like, you know, eighties kind of mullet. You think dirtier? Absolutely,
So you think I look less trustworthy? Certainly? Yeah, you
look like a Charlotte. And here's the thing. I think
(02:10):
you're biased against facial hair because you can't grow facial hair.
It's a fair point. You know, a lot of our
early episodes, I'm railing against big, hardy beards. But I
was a younger man then I understand who I am.
What are you talking? I understand who I am now?
And Okay, I can't grow anything. But I think a
man professionally should look clean. I think this looks clean.
I think this looks like a clean I'm not going
(02:31):
to say this is great, but it just seems like
it kind of fell onto your face a little bit,
like if I blew hard enough, it feels like it
would blow off. Stop blowing right, listen, I isn't think
this makes me look cool. I think this makes me
look a little edgier, a little bit more dangerous. I'm
saying I do the opposite. Okay, people think of me
as like a little boy. But then you start talking
and immediately, don't you know, they're blown away. They're immediately
(02:53):
scared of you, and they're like, this guy's an asshole.
They look at me and say this guy is a creep.
But then they talk to me and they go, oh,
he's not so bad. So I think it's better to
always not so bad that fully hated that little boy
over there. I hate that guy. No, I'm a man.
What I'm saying you set the bar correctly. If our
guests come into the studio and they see me, this
must have perfect. I'm not doing this and they talk
(03:13):
to me, I actually like this guy. Now a sudden,
they really like me because they expected not to like me.
For you. They come in and they say, I like
this guy off the bat. Then they go, oh, I
hate this guy, but they because I hate you because
you set the bar, and like, you got to set
the bar and dislike so you can go to like
playing mind games here that's always playing life in the
mind game. To me, you haven't figured that out yet,
then you're losing. Well, you mean, that's unnatural as a man.
(03:35):
A man comes in as himself and then proves everyone wrong.
There's nothing unnatural about this. This is my extremely unnatural.
I'm just trying to point out the obvious. That's what's
everyone's seen is you look like a fifth grader who
went started puberty that weekend and showed up to the
bus stop on Monday, And everyone's like, dude, you got
to ask your dad or someone to help you with that.
(03:55):
Get some nair and just clean that up. I like,
I didn't realize it would be such a traction for you.
I can't. I just can't look at you. Hey man,
what did you get into? Like a scuffle? But that's
what I'm saying. I like that I got into it.
Like I look like a bruiser that you look like
a guy who could get into a fight, like neighborhood.
I look like a guy from the neighborhood. That seems
like a bad thing. Until want to be like those
guys get arrested, they go to jail. Robert de Neiro
(04:17):
in mean streets, you ever see that movie. I know
who did it, all right, I know who made it. Yeah,
tiny like the man, I look like Johnny. Why do
you want to look like a guys crazy? Liberally they're liberal.
Cut they're not, They're not liberal. They don't even care
about politics. Nero obsessed with I'm talking about the characters
he plays. Characters he plays are not liberal. All the
cool guys he plays are either libertarian. There, yeah, conservative
(04:40):
taxi driver. That guy was a conservative and a murderer, right,
which is cool. Well, once again we disagree on every
single point. But we got a great episode coming up.
So it's a doozy guys, and we really we aim
for doozies every time, and sometimes we've missed the mark.
It's just like a dirty butthole. It is talking and
it's hard to I just can't. Can I just look
past you? Then it's not extract Yeah, I hear you. Man,
(05:02):
that's better. This is better. If you're looking at the ceiling,
you look like a fucking idiot. But this is working
better for me because otherwise, fine, all right, George, coming up,
we're gonna be talking about new statistics that show that
I can't look at my I can't look at my cap.
You can't turn? Just why because if I turn, and
then I might end up looking at you, and then
(05:22):
that's the problem. I'm not I'm just trying to look.
Let's just go. Do you want me to shase? Today's
news Top Stories Top Stories Guys. You know I I
haven't personally seen this because I don't do my own
grocery shopping, but I've heard that the price of eggs
it has risen about since last year. It's scary, and
(05:43):
it's scaring you know a lot of our listeners. This
is affecting a lot of middle class and lower class
and can carry in a call min when it comes
to inflation. When your eggs are inflated this much, everything's
down the pipe, right, eggs first, It's always eggs first,
and well, even an eggs first economy, we always have,
always have basically well, and I believe this is true.
And since I believe it, it is true. I think
(06:03):
eggs were the first currency trade. I'm wondering how do
we get it back in line. Well, that's what brings
me Today's big question. Do all women wish they were
their own feces cure auto? Would children be safer if
everyone's stopped having sejo biden me the first ghost price
washing your hands. Actually, bad house is so scary. Should
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eggs be free? You're talking about zero cost at the
supermarket for a dozen eggs. I mean, look at the
animal kingdom. Eggs are completely free for most of these
egg eating animals. I mean you look at what a
weasel does, fox or a fox, I mean, those guys
aren't paying anything. And so if we want to be
our best selves as men, tap into our most animalistic,
primal lifestyle, primal lifestyle, and for chickens to be making
(06:46):
as much money as they're making, I mean now they're
just price gouging. And that to me, I'm thinking Big
Chicken is gotten together and they're just it's always big profit.
Could just be honest about this for a second. Big
Chicken has been running the agricultural industry for decades. It
and again we said it's an egg first economy. And
that's what's happening right now. Why are eggs more expensive?
What's going on with the chickens and with the farmers?
(07:08):
Like why I don't understand is there a lack of chickens? Well,
you would think that the eggs would be bigger or
something had eggs gotten bigger. While I did my own research,
I had a little trouble measuring them because I kept
crushing it accident. They're very delicate. You're also very rageful,
so it's hard for you to like hold hold on
to something. So I didn't really get a feel somewhere.
Every time you shake my hand, I feel like you're
gonna brings. Well, that's because I am trying to break
(07:28):
your wrist. Okay, it's it's an attempt to dominate entails
every time, but you know that it's coming well. And
also I'm weakening the bones and the cartilage. So by
the time about six years from now, one handshake six
you'll be in my review mirror. But in six years,
six years, broken hands. No Dan Finkelstein, just George Collins,
just a dirty mustache you wish for. Ben Shapiro are
(07:49):
going to be making excellent content and six years so
you can't. You can't do that with Ben. He would
he would, He doesn't even would hate you. Ben loves
Ben would think you're such a dweep. He would think
that you're just trying to be him. No, he wouldn't.
He'd be like I want to be. I am not
don't want to be Ben shapiras I was doing this
annoying Jewish thing way before he was. Are you older
than Ben Shapira? What does that even matter? It matters
when you began doing the personality that you have. Now
(08:10):
it's not stick for him, it's stick for me. It's real.
I'm real. We're talking about eggs, and the price of
eggs is gone up. It's astronomical it is right now.
And these chickens are getting rich. I mean, have you
seen farmers lately? They got these John Deer tractors. Like
I'm a man of the people, okay, blue collar workers.
I love factory workers, dirty scummy people. At a large
(08:32):
majority of farmers are massively I love people who wear
dungarees overalls. But these farmers doing they're getting rich is
what they're off the eggs. They're saying, oh, well, now
you have been getting paid way too much money in
this country for decades. I mean, it was ridiculous these guys. Food.
It's just food, Like would be free, give me the food.
And I don't believe in socialism. I think you should
(08:53):
have to pay for it. Socialized farming while they're already
getting subsidies. The government is paying for these eggs. The
government is paying for the eggs. We did the research
to get the chickens as big and fat and voluptuous
as they are. Their breasts are walk They should be
producing fat, juicy eggs and shut up about it. Yeah.
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But instead, all we hear from the farmers, who I love,
by the way, love farmers. I love farmers. I'm a
man of the people. I love. All we hear from
farmers is all we need help, We need help. Meanwhile,
they're sitting on their John Deer tractor that they could
fix whenever they want. They just got that is dollars.
Once you put that into the eggs, you're driving basically
a BMW. You got a computer on there so you
have the new Basically you're basically driving a Tesla around
(09:35):
on grass for fun. Because you don't even need to
be doing you can just have a robot to it.
I'm sure Elon can make a robot that does it
way better than Elon is going to solve modern day farming.
Let's I'm sure of it. Yeah. I would make a
million dollar bet right now with anybody thinkers if you
guys want to bet Dan a million dollars on whether
or not Elon must will solve modern day farming with
the Tesla bat hit us up Man Thinkers podcast at
(09:57):
gmail dot com at Man Thinkers on the Socials, Happy
talk about and guys follow us again. You gotta follow
us please. I mean I have a question. Should we
reduce the number of eggs you can get in the
store and that somehow helps drive prices down so instead
of getting a dozen eggs you get to happen to
the consumer, it looks like the prices coming down, they're
just getting less eggs less. That's called sr inflation. That
is a that is a way to do it. I
do think people might get a little frustrated if they
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don't know. They don't know, they don't know. It feels
like a big difference between twelve eggs and six eggs
and eggs. Okay, what if it's a leaven eggs and
then one's a dummy and he's like, you don't know,
false egg, false egg for false flags false egg. But
is that going to be difficult for the stores? I
mean that just seems like you're I'm trying to drive
and if we put in a fake egg like an
Easter egg or something. Yeah, come on, it's plastic. Plastics
(10:41):
the cheapest commodity in the world. And kids love Easter eggs,
and kids love plastic. Kids love plastic. I mean I
love plastic. Can we just say that here? You're child,
you know you you we were raised at a time
where plastics with the devil. But I I say, now,
I love plastic. We're having a plastics renaissance in America
right now, and we are entering a golden age of plastic, fantastic,
plastics and polymer's. It should be a superhero name Mr
(11:02):
Fantastic Plastic. He says, hey, toss that, recycle it, it
doesn't matter, it's okay. His superpower instead of like shooting
out spider webs like Spider Man, he shoots out plastic bags. Plastic.
That's true, that would be great. He suffocates his enemy
like wow, that's and then he says, hey, can someone
recycle this? That's funny, that's good. See, this is why
you were you should writer. Well, we're going to talk
to some Hollywood celebrities real soon, we are. We should
(11:25):
We should get some ideas that we want to pitch
to Orbo, guys, Kevin Sorbo will be on Man Thinkers.
You guys remember Hercules, of course you do, everybody The
Adventures of Hercules the number one show in the world.
And Zena was the hottest woman ever and like he
probably knows her April. I wonder if he slept with her.
I mean, yes, we gotta ask him that, did you
sleep with Zeno? Warrior princess? Is there a warrior? We
could say, is there a warrior princess that you may
(11:46):
or may not have had sex with? Yeah? But guys,
what we would love from you is because Sorbo is
so huge, one of the biggest, submit some of your questions.
Man Thinkers at gmail dot com, Man Thinkers Podcasts at
gmail dot com. Well, you know, run the socials. I
have to do that for you. I can't do it.
I just don't know how to use a computerist. I
know you're an idiot, but srebows up in a couple
of weeks, guys, today's interview is with Rachel Hampton. She's
(12:09):
a podcaster, a journalist, and a progressive. So getting ready
to get the gloves off, guys. But first up, advertisements
and thank yours, Please don't fast forward through the ads. Okay,
in fact, slow him down flame and half speed, so
you can really soak in the consumerism. We have a
(12:30):
really interesting guest, really interesting conversation coming up, Rael Hampton.
Rachel Hampton journalists. She's a journalist and a podcast host.
Normally I don't like talking to podcast hosts and journalists
because they often are envious of us exactly, and they're like,
there's gonna be a problem and thinkers, wow this by
and I said, and I sensed that from her in
a conversation. I think some of the thinkers will hear
(12:50):
that too. When there's some disagreements, they're going to be like, well,
obviously the man thinkers are correct. Yeah, I mean there
there are times, right what I'm saying now and I
don't want to set up anyone's expectations. Well I can.
I can set up the expectations Rachel. It was really
great to have her. She's really smart, really well spoken
of Dan on a few topics. So guys don't check
(13:12):
out this interview. But remember George didn't lose. Why George
because he didn't engage because he's a coward. No, I
know when I'm gonna lose and I know when to
kind of deer clear. George always knows when he's gonna lose,
and that's why he's always cowering. I've never lost. Undefeated,
undefeated him undefeated zero defeats himself, right, zero, zero and zero.
I've never been defeated. That's the I don't know why
(13:34):
you're acting like this is bad. I'm just saying, I'm
an undefeated man. You're an undefeated man. How many men
can say that? Many men who are pathetic. Alexander the Great,
jengis Con, Jengis con, Alexander the Great, George You, we're
all undefeated man, Alexander Graham Bell. Who are you talking about? Anyways?
(13:56):
Rachel Hampton is a culture writer and reporter at Slate
and the co host of the podcast In Case You
Missed It. Her writing has also appeared in a number
of woke publications, New Republic, Pacific Standard, Smithsonian Magazine. So
she's accomplished. She's an accomplished I'll give her that. She's
the mainstream media. So, Rachel, thank you so much for
(14:16):
being here, Thank you for having me. Um you forgot
the Washington Post, and you know, and I appreciate the
name drop because we're trying to listen. We don't like
the Washington Post, of course not, but we do want
to be successful and so published by them. And that's
actually one of the first questions I wanted to ask you, Rachel,
is like, before we get into the politics, how did
you become successful? And what should we be doing because
you're a successful podcaster journalists? Like these are things you know,
(14:38):
Dan had a stint in journalism, failed miserably, but people
didn't want to read what I was writing, even though
it was very good. Right if a young person were old,
But if a young person came to you and said,
how do I get started in podcasting and journalism, what
would you tell them? I would probably say, don't um prospect.
I would say the same thing. I would just say,
the podcast market is really crowded right now, and there
are a lot of you know, I think every I'm
(15:00):
sorry to say every man with the microphone thinks that
the world wants to hear their thoughts. And I'm not
necessarily sure if that's true, But I would say the
most important thing is to have a distinct point of view,
you know, don't try to copy anybody else. I know
a lot of people have heroes, but I would say,
don't emulate your heroes. Interesting, because the crux of our
show is we think we have ideas that people want
(15:21):
to hear. So that's sort of are I think ours
are specifically we have specific ideas that people want to hear.
And also we talk. We talked pretty loud, which I
think is different than some podcasts and podcasters are quiet.
So true, King, so true. Thank you for calling Danny King.
I don't know if he deserves it, because he is
he is an in cell. I don't know if you
know danse the podcast. That's that's an accomplishment. Sure you
(15:41):
should be proud of. I would you're you're maybe perhaps
you're the king of in cells. I would give you
that whatever, I'll take it. Okay, Well, how did you
get your start in journalism? Had you always had the
intention I hate America, so I want to bring about
a leftist agenda and write about that or what? What?
What was your thought process? I went to high school
in Texas and I thought, you know what, I don't
(16:01):
think I want to stay here, So what career can
I do that? Will you know, help me travel? And
I love to write, and so I was like those
two things combined equal journalism. Then I went to journalism school,
where I've learned the tricks of the trade, and now
I'm here, Well, why not be a stewardess in that case?
You know, you can fly, Maybe you can get something
in Skymall or whatever the you know, proprietary magazines for
(16:24):
each airline. Maybe you could ask the pilot if you
don't know who runs the magazines, but you would ask
the pilot if the pilot have an article in there. Um.
I don't like people that much, and I felt perhaps
I would not do well with customers who were annoying. Why.
I find a lot of stewardesses don't like people because
(16:45):
the way they they don't like you. They don't like people.
I would say a lot of people in general don't
like you. You kind of are constantly sort of annoying people,
which I think is again, I have your brand. I
have a strong brand. Listen, Rachel, if you don't like people,
you're gonna love us because we are some of the
I would say, we're two of the two of the
highest integrity people very cot world. Yeah, absolutely, you know
(17:07):
what I mean. We we listen. Our numbers are low,
but we say that we admitted how many downloads you
all have? You know, I don't want to get into
this specifically, hundreds of thousands. I would say I expected
hundreds of thousands. I don't know if that's actually we
should talk to Hans. But does your podcast in case
you missed it? Well, before we get into the numbers
of your podcast and whether they're better than ours or not,
which they probably it's probably not, but where did you
get the idea? And what is the show? Yeah, in
(17:29):
case you missed it or I See I Am I
as a show about internet culture comes out twice a week,
and the kind of broad line of it was that
we wanted to help people sound like the smartest person
in their group chat. There's just a lot happening on
the Internet at any given moment, and I think it's
really hard to know what to pay attention to, and
so we try to kind of distill down what's actually
(17:51):
important and show that a lot of the things that
we think are random or new actually have a really
long history on the Internet. What advice would you give
to someone of just like, Hey, if you want to
understand what's happening on the internet, these are the sites
to go to. This is how to you know, quote
unquote surf the internet to understand what's going on in
our culture, what's in the zeitgeist. Mm hmmm. Um. I've
(18:11):
noticed a lot of people are really hesitant to get
on TikTok and even three, which is fascinating to me
because every single website is trying to turn into TikTok.
But I would say, you're not. You don't really understand
the culture or the Internet if you're not on TikTok.
Right now, so much of cultural production that we see
on other websites is just echoes of TikTok. Twitter is
(18:32):
basically TikTok regurgitated, and honestly, unfortunately, Twitter is still up
there in terms of the discourse read it. And yeah,
I would say that those are maybe the top three
in terms of really understanding how people feel. Now, what
if I'm not saying this is me, I'm saying there's
probably some people out there that have made a user
name and then are like, I don't understand what this is?
What are they showing me? And then you close it
(18:53):
and you don't open it again for a long time
because you're scared for those people. Okay, Yeah, for those people,
I would say that you can't close TikTok for a
long amount of time. The algorithm kind of works based
on your previous history, and so what happens when you
close the app for a long time is that it
just starts giving you what is most broadly popular. So
you'll probably get a lot of cat videos or really
(19:16):
random ship basically, But as you spend more time on it,
it will start to fine tune what you actually want
to see. So I would say you have you kind
of have to spend a lot of time. You get
out what you put in. And is TikTok an instrument
of the Chinese government? Like we're just hesitant because you know,
I Google knows so much about me, and I'm just
concerned that TikTok knows a lot about me, which means
(19:36):
that the CCP knows a lot about me. Is that true, Rachel?
That's for TikTok to say. Probably is the thing. No
one really knows how much information TikTok is collecting on
its users, or where exactly what exactly that that data
is being used for. But if you think about it, Google, Facebook, Twitter,
they all have your data. Why not give it to
another company. That's what I always say about data, like
(19:59):
you're already given in a way. I think we should
all be sharing our data all the time, including our
DNA data. You know, I did that twenty three and
me thing where you spit into a cup and then
it tells you, like, hey, you're half Neanderthal and I
am actually half anderthalf I'm up there. Most people are
like two percent. Well, I'm pretty high, and I think
that's and I think that your dad or mom is
a full Neanderthal. I don't know the exact lineage. I'm
(20:19):
just saying to grandparents, thank you, Rachel, thank you. Maybe
it was two grandparents who were full Neanderthal, Dawn, so
you would know that. All I'm saying is it makes
me more. I haven't looked into exactly what are ne
androwthal lee traits, but I think that means I'm smarter
and better looking. I think it's the opposite. No, I
think you're wrong, but I think the thing is more
of a pronounced brow. You have a way bigger brow
(20:40):
than me, so so you're probably more Nanderthal than I am. Anyway, Rachel,
you know, should I be sharing my DNA data with
the world, Like, should I just go on Facebook or
the talk as I like to call it, that's short
for TikTok and just sort of say, hey, world, this
is my DNA, here my weaknesses. I'm probably gonna get Alzheimer's.
IM probably gonna get Parkinson's, you know, higher risk of
these diseases. Like is that a smart thing to do
on the Internet just sort of release your data? I
(21:01):
don't see the harm in it at this point. I mean,
I don't really know what somebody on the Internet would
do with the fact that your predisposed Alzheimer's besides sending
you a targeted ad about it. Speaking of targeted ads,
how does it work exactly? You're you're an Internet aficionado, Like,
are the phones listening to us? Do they know our conversations?
What's going on there? Yeah, I've had this question for
(21:21):
a long time. Um. Importantly, I'm an Internet culture journalist,
more of a cultural critic, which means that I still
believe in some conspiracy theories about tech. But all of
my tech journalist friends tell me that the phones are
not listening to us, and what is happening is in
fact worse, and that they are scraping every single bit
of data that could possibly get from your phone to
(21:43):
figure out what perfume you want on Instagram. Well see,
And I don't believe this, this conspiracy that the phones
are listening because I get ads for pornographic things all
the time. Toys. No, what I'm trying to say here
is that it's not doing at because I don't talk.
Your phone knows that you're an in cell and it's
trying to help you. Guys. I don't want to make
(22:04):
this personal. Have you heard of manifestation? I'm big into
manifestation and I've tried to push it on Dan and
he won't do it. He's just manifesting a terrible, terrible,
terrible life. Now you're giving us. There you go, But
don't you think enough bad karma. I'm not sure how
to finish that thing. I don't think. Are you a
manifesto Rachel? Are you a man? Are you into manifestation? Yes?
I would say I like to pretend that I'm not,
(22:27):
but I generally believe that. Do you think I'm pretty
anti manifest destiny? I would say I think that was
that's manifestation. That was a group of good, hardy European
men saying I wish we had the whole continent, you know,
and then manifested it. I would say that they perform genocide,
and if that's part of the manifestation, I don't think
(22:47):
that's how that works. I mean, I think a lot
of the times you're just you have to take the
next step that's available to you, and then I I'm
not saying that come up with an idea. I'm just
saying that's the last out of the profect profit genocide profit. Rachel,
(23:09):
Here's my question, where is wokeness going? You know? What
I mean is are we going to live in a
world where you can't make a joke and you can't
ever ask somebody out like, where are we going with
all this? I think that really depends on if you
believe wokeness is a thing right now and what wokeness
actually means. So I don't know if I can say
that it has a future, because I can't really say
that it has a pass because it's kind of a
(23:29):
made up term. Well, I know that. Here's the thing,
how I know it exists. There are certain things that
I don't like, because wokeness to me is things that
I don't like. So that's how I know it's there
and it exists. Does that make sense? So if I
don't like strawb ice cream as stracream, now woke ice
cream used to be two colors exactly, black chocolate or vanilla.
Now we got strawberry, strawberry Neapolitan Italian? Was there always
(23:53):
stray there was always, but it was it was, it
was always three colors? Connie history right now? Okay, Rachel,
So you mentioned it depends how you define what wokeness is.
Do you think wokeness is a thing, and how would
you define it culturally or how do you see it
being defined on the internet. Well, woke was originally a
term from African American vernacular English, a v or as
(24:15):
it used to be called the bonnets, and it meant
when black people used it among themselves to be aware
of the ways in which society is stacked against black
people historically. And then it became very popular on the
Internet and it was applied to anybody who displayed any
sort of knowledge of historical injustice. And now it just means,
(24:40):
you know, as as Dan said, anything that people don't
like is wokeness gone awry. So I was correct about that.
Interesting you are correct that is what people are saying.
So is it is it a term that's even used
anymore within the African American community. I think it's pretty
much lost this meaning. It's kind of like for schizzle,
where we just don't do that anymo Are are there
(25:00):
any other terms right now that we might that George
and I might not know about that we should know about.
I'm not going to share them because there are being
a guest there, you are being a guest, and I
would like to have those words right. I'm sure I could. Yeah,
I mean that that makes a lot of senive them
to me. Um, come on, thank you. I don't think
you should use I can, I can use this, and
(25:23):
I will. You can use that cool cat. Everyone's using
that right now. She's trying to sculpt you to look
like like what like you really dated? Just the lace
work in cycles, because I'm gonna be the first one
when everyone's all the kids are saying cool can and
be like the seventies. Man. I'm trying to help you.
I'm sure listen, Rachel, I've been trying to get this
man laid and not be a freaking insult, and he's
(25:45):
just he cannot help himself. It's it's only eats fast
food do you want for yourself? Not even using the
term correctly yourself? That doesn't make any sense even when
that word and term was being used that I'm change it.
Words change over time, language evolves. I mean that's true.
That is for Schisel yourself be a cool cat for once.
(26:06):
I'm just worried about wokeness ruining kind of everything that
I like. I mean, what is woken is going to
do to my favorite websites? Eight cham I think you're
okay on that one. I think that one will always
say the same. Is there like a a leftist equivalent
of eight Champ? Is there a website or a place
on the Internet where the wokees go to sort of congregate? Um? No.
(26:27):
I would say the closest is probably Twitter. Back in
the day, I would have said tumbler, but tumblers mostly
for fandoms. Now you were a big tumbler guy, weren't you.
I was a big everything guy. I love technology. I
love meeting people on there. For Schissel Rachel. Is there
even a black Twitter? Because people say that there is,
but I look around and I haven't seen it. That's
probably I'm Okay, I searched it and I don't see anything.
(26:48):
There's no website for it for you. I think you'll
eventually find it. It's a quest. I would say, only
the worthy gets to find it. This is a very
King Arthur kind of story. It's the person who's worthy
gets a sword in the stone. I get to find out.
I don't think it is the thing or not. I
don't know if you're worthy to get the sword in
the stone. I'm out here working hard. I'm trying to
understand both what's the goal there? Just to what's the
(27:11):
goal of having the sword? You get a cool sword.
I get a cool looking, literal sword. It's culturally just
a metaphor anyway, for King Arthur, he gets a sword.
You guys need to know your history. King Arthur wanted
that sword because it was cool. King Arthur's not real,
So is any of it real? Was Leonardo DaVinci real? Yes? Again,
And these are the conspiracies that we want to talk
about on the show. Rachel, I have a question, who
(27:33):
are the hottest hots? You tell us, you know the internet,
who's the hottest hots on the internet right all the time,
right now? No, like right now on the Internet. Who
does the Internet say is the hottest of the hot?
Where are the man thinkers? You know, I think once
y'all's audience grows, maybe you'll be on the list. But
I think we're just you're on, You're on the come up,
So I don't think you're going to make the list
right now. I would say, surprisingly, Bill Burnham is up
(27:54):
there for a lot of people. Uh, palm mescal really popular.
Timothy shallow May Michael B. Jorge, Yeah, yeah, you know
Timothy Shallomy. I just you know, he looks like a
little torp like he seems like a nice guy. I'm not,
and I think he is a good actor, like a
nice guy. Really seems like a psycho. Why why would
you say that? Because he's a Hollywood star? Well, you
(28:15):
know what they do. Sure, I don't want to speak
out of turn, but he's likely a pedophile. Feels like
speaking out of turn? Do you think so? I think so.
Accusing someone of being a pedophile, it's pretty pretty strong, Rachel.
I don't want to I'm not here to argue you,
just saying my point that likely, based on his success,
timsy Shallomy is a pedophile. But I'm not going to
speak out of turn. I mean, you just did that.
He kind of did it again. I'm not going to
(28:36):
do it again. But you know, if people agree with that,
and if they were to spread that online, I can't
control that. I can't control the discourse. That's how misinformation works.
But that's how real information works too. So there's both sides,
both sides, both sides, and I think that's the crux
of our conversation today, both sides. That's there's a thinkers,
it's anything you can take away from our conversation with
Rachel today, it's just both sides, both sides. And then
(28:57):
just let it be exactly. You know, tim'thy Shall could
be a pedophile, both sides done any of the both sides.
One side endorses one s side, does not endorse both side,
both sides. Well, thanks for bringing that concept, because I
don't think I would have gotten there without Rachel's help.
You're so welcome. I'm so glad I could help you
out there. Both sides for schil, both sides manifest Well, Rachel,
(29:21):
thank you so much for being on the show. Guys,
check out Rachel's podcast. I think she's going to talk
about man thinkers on There are a lot more. Yeah,
because obviously we're gonna man think he's gonna blow up
on the internet. So Rachel, whether you like it or not,
you're gonna have to say, hey, you know, these guys
have actually been doing it for a while and the
internet just noticed, you know. Yeah, I'll go back to
my team has got a whole team. Well, Rachel, do
(29:41):
you like ever lend out your team? Yeah? Yeah, would
you give us your team? No? Probably not, And that's
why on both sides, but if we start using them
both sides. Thank you for not yucking or for expressing
both sides and for keeping it for Schisel, You're so welcome. Well,
I really liked her, and I think she really really
(30:03):
I think she I think she tolerated us, and I
think well, and again both sides, both sides right. And
some people might think that matters. Smart people would know
that it doesn't. And I will commend her for a
courage to come on and just spar with two of
the smartest, most intellectually curious men that have ever podcasting. Yeah,
and just to know for someone like her to come
(30:24):
on the show and just lose time after time. But
that's the way gracefully and that's the only way that
you get better. So that was inspiring to me exactly.
It was just to be like, oh, yes, this is
like a child in a karate class. I was getting
on time and time again on the ground, say bringing
them back up and saying, try, I I get I
understand the picture you're trying to pain here. I would say, though, Dan,
(30:45):
that there were a few instances, especially when you referenced
history and historical events, where She's right, I think you
got beat pretty bad. And so that's what's good about
the makers are and they Shower would ever keep tracking.
It's not about keeping track. Thinking is about one orring
what else is out there? And I wonder what Rachel
is going to say about us on her shows, and
if if we're lucky enough for her to even mention us,
(31:07):
I don't think it will be positive. That's the problem.
And see I wanted to talk about that became on
and had a great time on the show. I think
she did enjoy herself. Thinks I really don't appreciate it
when you're so antagonistic and then you lose. Like if
you're going to be antagonistic, win, you have to win.
Do you know what I did I want you didn't.
Where's the Where's the scorecard that says that I lost
both sides? Both sides? So I have and I have
(31:29):
one that says you lost, and I have one that
says you lost. Whatever, guys, keep thinking boom. That's all
you guys need. Enjoy that um and enjoy the rest
of your week. Thinkers, thank you for thinking with us.
Keep thinking.
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