Living Forever with David Sinclair

George convinces Dan to start smoking cigarillos for his health, then scientist David Sinclair teaches the Man Thinkers how to live to 150 and thereby increase their lifelong earning potential. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I got fantastic news. What's he's in? Oh Andrew Tate?
Oh that um social media guys hilarious? Is super cool. Yeah,
and you know he's always like stirring up stuff. But yeah,
I think he's going to be on the show, which
is gonna be huge for us. He was he was arrested. Well,
that's fine. People get arrested all the time. He's arrested
for human trafficking. I think he's I think he's he's
he's not gonna be on anybody show for a while.

(00:21):
You got here, are you sure? Though? I think he's
going to do it, though from they can't Like I thought, like,
if you have an interview booked before you get arrested,
the cops have to let you still do it. I
don't know why they would ever do that. I think they,
First of all, cops are cool. Maybe he could zoom
from prison. Actually would be better for technology him in
the room because he's kind of scary. Well, yeah, he
would probably intimidate you. He doesn't. I think he's I

(00:43):
think we would get along great. I don't. I don't
think he would like you at all. Just yeah, but
that's fine. I'm fine with that. See that's the problem.
You don't like to not be liked. I'm okay with it. Well,
if people don't like you, you are correct, that's it.
I don't think that's always true though mostly mostly then
rounds up to always. But what about people you don't like?
That means they're correct, means I'm correct for not liking them.
I don't know. Well, at a certain point you break down.

(01:05):
If you can't follow it, just don't even do it.
Just get Andrew taped in the room. See here. So wait,
what happened? He was trafficking women? Apparently? What is that?
What can anybody holding them against their Well maybe not,
but he's holding people against their will. But he let
them go once he got arrested. Well did he let
them go or did the police let them go? So
then it's over. He should still be able to do podcasts.
I mean, I agree with you, but I'm just saying logistically,

(01:28):
I don't know if but he's a good guy. He's
going to get off. He's such a good guy. He's
such a good guy, he's gonna get off. Looking on
the show. He's great girl, Yes, I know, so good
with girls. That's what That's how I judge most did
you see him kind of he was nailing um, Greta Tunberg.
She's so stupid. That's how he got That's why he
got arrested. Really, she smoked his ass. Did you see

(01:48):
the tweet that she sent him? He was like, hey, Greta,
look at all these high emission cars that I owned.
It was pretty funny. And then and he was like,
it's not a complete list. Let me I'd love to
email you my complete list. And then she said, sure,
email me at small Dick Energy at Ghetta life dot com.
That's her email. No, that was the joke. I think
that she was. I don't get it, so she get

(02:09):
that at all? She was to see. That's why I
don't know if women are funny. I thought she kind
of smoked him. Why though she was. She was trafficking women,
so this isn't that funnier. That's his comeback. She says
something like whatever about dicks, and it's like, yeah, well
I'm trafficking women now, who's funny. But now he's arrested, right,
you know we should get what about Greta? Would you'd
be scared to talk to her? No? I don't think
we should have her on the show. Though, why not?

(02:29):
Because why? The problem I have with the show is
that yes, is that you like, I have to explain
myself for everything. Okay, so you want on the show
because she's like, no, get a different girl. I want
a different girl. I don't want to talk about this anymore.
Do we have to talk about every possible guest? No,
I'm just saying, okay, that's fine. So we got a

(02:50):
great show. Andrew Tate is here. No he's not. Okay,
you're listening to Demand Thinker's podcast, a show that Forte
is a new road Matt for the modern man on
how to best lived life. I'm George Collins, a former
liberal cuckole, and I'm Dan Finkelste, a staunch libertarian insect
we think, so you don't have to So yeah, it's

(03:12):
for me. Well, I didn't want to. I was gonna
bring up another biohacking news from Yeah, you know. I mean,
it's funny we're talking about this, and I hope this
doesn't really the wrong way given what you just said
about defecating on the street and losing your mind. But
I recently started smoking again and I feel amazing. Yeah,
really smoking I would have thought cigarettes that would be

(03:33):
like the antithesis of a biohack, that destroying, because of
course that's what we've been led to believe by the
lamestream media, right, see where you're going exactly. But you know,
just because the media keeps shoving a specific message down
our throat doesn't mean it's actually true, of course. You know,
if anything, it's it's usually the opposite, right, that's whatever
the media says. You just do the album to do

(03:54):
the opposite. And so I was intrigued, you know, because
I used to be a cigarillo smoker myself and cigarillo
what is the cigarette? You've never heard of cigarette before?
I'm sorry, there's cigarettes. We're talking about cigarettes, right, What
is the cigaretta? It's sort of like a like it's
like a classy cigarette. Real smokers know what I'm talking about,
right thinkers. So it's like you're saying a cigar No,
it's more like a classy cigarette. But that's cool that
you didn't know that. So anyway, I used to smoke

(04:15):
a box of cigaretta as a day, and I recently
reached for one from my old stash and I went
on to have one of the best days I've had
in a really long time, which brings me to today's
big question. Do all women whish they were their own feces? Cure? Onto?
When children be safer? If everyone's stopped having sex, you'll
biden me the first ghost price washing your hands? Actually bad,

(04:37):
fire on the house is so scary. Should we all
be smoking cigarettes? You know that's interesting. I mean nicotine.
That is a new tropic, after all, it's the granddaddy
of new tropics. Actually, and I just felt locked in
and happy and light as a feather, and I really
attacked the day in a way that was productive and easy.
It felt fantastic. You know, it seems like when you
look at old videos of people, everyone's smoking, right, and

(04:59):
they're very product Have you ever seen some of these
like typists or the Industrial Revolution or cranking those machines
poland cigarettes? And they look cool and they look cool.
It makes sense why the media, the NBC's the hbos.
I mean, who cares? It's all one company, right, Disney
doesn't want to smoking cigarettes exactly, of course they don't.

(05:20):
Where's back in the day we used to have our
mascot smoking. Oh well, it's you know, it's funny. You
say that because I was wondering the other day, like,
what happened to the Marborough Man? Right? Where'd you go?
I'm sure he's alive and healthy, right, you know? I
used to see him everywhere, billboards, bus stop ads. The
man was ubiquitous, probably the most famous cowboy in American history.
And then the most famous camel. The camel joke, Yes,

(05:41):
Joe Camel, Yeah, I mean what other camels would you
even think about? I can't think of a single camel,
name a single camel, by far, the most famous camel
that's ever lived, and the only smoker who name another camel.
I can't. I don't know. I can't freaking even think
of the picture of account. I don't even think about
camels at at all. At all. That were rare, I
would say rare for a mammal. Their bottom of the list. Coincidence.

(06:04):
Joe Camil the only camel I know that smoked. I
know exactly who he is. I could exect to him.
I wish I could hang out with them big time.
They're trying to outlaw flavored cigarettes right now. Oh my god,
you're trying to east cigarettes. They're not even real. They're digital.
They're digital SIGs. They're digital sigrets. Were trying. You can't
because they don't want you to be healthy, because they
want you to be unhealthy. So you have to listen

(06:26):
to their food pyramid and what their suggestions are. It's
all Biden. It's all Biden. It's all biased. It's all
biased Biden. Biased Biden. That's a good nickname. There you go.
I did find the Marlboro Man comforting, you know, in
some way just his presence. Of course, he was like
the great American man watching over us. All. It's sort
of like a diety, a cigarette diety, sure, absolutely, and

(06:46):
that's just what we We don't have that today. We
don't one, we don't have an idealized version of men
like that we need smoking cigarettes. But also we don't
have as many dieties. I've been saying this for years.
Where are our dieties? Civilization was built ones and semi deities.
Those are even better because they're more tragic than classic.
I mean, those guys are gonna make mistakes, the mid guys,

(07:08):
the mids, the mids, it's the Midlevelcules. Do we say
diety or deity? And it's he was a semialty. Now
you know hercules smoked. Of course he did. I think
in one of his trials he had to smoke a
bunch of cigarettes, exactly in the thirteen trials of Heracles.
I think it was he had to finish a pack
real fast, and of course he did it. Of course

(07:28):
she felt strong as more of these stories, more of
these legends, because you know, men were so much cooler
back when we smoke. I missed that. I missed that old,
idealized versions of men. They were so much cooler. It's
not even close. Yeah, we've seen a man recently. Yeah,
they're pathetic. They look like women now they all do.
I can't even tell the difference. I go down the stair,

(07:48):
I'm like, are you a man or a woman? And
they say something like shut up. Yeah, you have been
yelling at people a lot lately. I can't understand what
are you talking about. You know, I've been when you
when you've done that, and we get some nasty looks.
But because your point ross, you got your point across,
and that's that's all that matters. As you get your
point across, men used to be so much cooler. Oh
my god, we worked hard with our hands machines. Yes,

(08:09):
you would be oily and slight disgusted at the end
of a work day. Yeah, now, I come home from
work on barely dirty. I didn'tn't do anything. I didn't
break a sweat. And you know what we what we
really should do on our brakes should be smoking cigarette,
should be smoking cigarette? Take a break? What do people
do on their breaks? They jerk off or whatever? Yeah,
is that what you do? Well, it's just the breaks.
You can do whatever you want. So wait mate, So
when we're recording an episode and you say let's take

(08:30):
five and you go to the bathroom, that's what you're doing.
I'm taking a break, Okay. But and I'm just saying
people could do whatever they want on their bricks. You're
taking frequent breaks. I might say, dan, once you get going.
But and the same thing would be true for cigarettes.
And that's what I'm saying. If I had a cigarette,
I might not need that. That's interesting. If you smoked
more cigarettes, you'd probably be masturbating less, which is good
for you. Is good and healthy for you. It is

(08:51):
the regressive left has got all us men stuck in
our feelings instead of stuck with cigarettes smoke in our lungs.
We should have cigarettes in our hands and in our lungs,
And they got the government to put warning labels on
cigarette backs, because it's like, what are you warning me
about to have a clacking day? Feeling amazing? That's is
that the warning is the government is trying to warn

(09:14):
you not to do something that. Get on it, start
doing it. You know, wear a seatbelt, no thanks, Yeah,
get a vaccine, funk yourself, no way, fun vaccinated? Getting
into car accidents and flying through the windshield with a
big cigarette in my mouth. That is the manliest image
I can come up with it. I can't think of
anything man there. And look, let's be honest. Back when

(09:34):
real men were heavy smokers, we were all handsome as hell, gorgeous.
You can look gus teeth and you're still gorgeous. Of
Paul Newman, James Dean, even John Wayne. Very ugly, but
a beautiful man because he's a man, an ugly man,
but a beautytiful man. And that's what we used to have.
We don't have as many ugly beautiful men anymore because
we're not all smoking cigarettes exactly. That ages us properly.

(09:55):
That's what it's all about. It's about aging gracefully and
the way you age gracefully is you smoke a pack
of day. You know. That actually brings me to an
interesting point because today on the show, we have someone
who's talking about aging and d aging, Professor David Sinclair
from Harvard Medical School ever heard of it? A lot
of smokers at Harvard, and he's going to talk to
us about d aging. And I'm sure, I get guaranteed

(10:15):
he's gonna say you should be smoking more cigarettes. I'm
almost possive that's what he's gonna say. I can't wait
to ask him that. It makes sense. You want a
Cigarella right now? I've got a pack on me. Really
got Cigaretlla's on you? Yeah? Of course? Can I smoking?
You know, I don't even I'm not even gonna ask that. Okay,
that's strong. Yeah, that's good though. Right. Wow, my lungs

(10:36):
are on fire. That's just the nicotine, masculinizing, masculinizing, masculinizing.
I like that. I like that as a work, which
brings up another point. Should women be allowed to smoke
or should it just be for man? That's interesting, you know,
because smoking does inherently seem more manly. You know. Wow,
I feel I feel so good I gotta tell you, George,
I feel really good right now? You look good? This

(10:57):
cigarette aged you like quick? I mean women, women should
have the freedom to smoke, but shouldn't be encouraged to smoke,
you know what I mean? God, Dan, are you okay? Buddy?
Should I call a doctor? What's going on? Oh? Doctors?
I definitely don't. All right? Just being masculinized, that's all
that's happened, right, yeah, okay, yeah, just get over That
can happen when there's a lack of masculinity to start

(11:19):
out with, and the masculinization process can be can be tough.
That's not why that's happening. I think that's happened. So so
so what do you think that maybe more of any
equality of opportunity than an equality of outcome regarding smoking
for both men and women? Right? Yeah, sounds good? No? Yeah,
oh man, I'm I'm just feeling a little a little
sick here. You're fine, You're fine? Really? Not that good
to show or one cigaretta can do that? One Jesus

(11:41):
Christ is bad. Man? Should we stop or you need
to show? You might have to? Um, I just might
be done. Yeah, sure, okay, your health should be the priority.
So that's that's I just feel like some of the
stuff I threw up I didn't actually put down, so
I'm not sure what. Well, I'm sorry those those cigarettes
are a little strong. I didn't anticipate you'd have such
weak lungs. But that's okay. Well anyway, thinkers, Well we'll
start the show in a set. But first, let me

(12:01):
ask you something. What if there was someone out there
who kept a log of every single thing you did
every minute of the day, like Santa, except way creepier.
Well what if I told you that's exactly what happens
every time you go online? Right Dan providers like a
tr comcast or allows the story information or every website
you are ever visiting, which is why Dan and I

(12:24):
use express VPN because we don't want big tech knowing
what porn sights we use, or really anything about our
online presence, as that is our personal business exactly. Yeah,
you guys take the hospital, you guys take me, Okay,
are you sure that's a good idea. It's just a cigaret,
after all, I'm seeing things, Okay, but you gotta we

(12:44):
don't trust doctor. I can't drive. You have to drive me,
all right? Doctors when I'm healthy, but right now I'm sick,
so we gotta we need one. Guys. Let's cut to guys, Clay,
just run the commercials, run the ads. Alright, I'm sorry,
I'm not I mean to kill you. Jesus killed me.
You kill me now, I just put that idea in
your head. A part. Okay, tell people I was a man.

(13:07):
Tell people I handled that sig soga. I mean one
s like Prometheus. I'll do my best, but it's all.
It's all recording, Okay, I'll tell don't play the other parts. Okay,
tell them thinkers. We have a real top dog guest

(13:30):
coming up. A true thinker, a leading thinker in his field.
He is a biologist who studies aging and how to
reverse it. Now, I think that's really important because I,
like you, Dan, want to live as long as I
can so I can make as much money as I
possibly can. That is the goal from day one. That's right.
One of my biggest criticisms of babies and children in
generals that they can't make anyone make it. They used

(13:50):
to be able to, and of course, you know, you
get the bureaucracy and all the red tape, and now
they can't and you could say to Biden every day,
let kids work and he would say, no, that's how
out of his mind he is and really be able
to understand what he's saying. Anyway, what right and this
We have a Harvard medical professor who is here. His

(14:12):
name is David Sinclair. He wrote a book called Life Span.
He also has a podcast called life Span, which teaches
you how to not die okay, the things you can
do to fight aging. And I think he should really
be a part of the Biden administration because listen, they
don't want a commander in chief who's got Alzheimer's. No,
they could really do. They really need to d h
this guy. Biden should be taking cold plunges every morning.
He should be freezing, he should be constantly frigid ice

(14:35):
plunge him. Get him going sign the bill that lets
kids go to work exactly and then do your job, Biden, right,
You know he's never going to do that, and I
think Professor Sinclair would absolutely agree with us. So guys,
check out this interview. It's going to teach you how
to live to a hundred and maybe even be immortal.
And that's at the end of the day, the ultimate
goal think about how much money. I mean, if you
were immortal did Thinkers Today? We have a very special gas.

(15:00):
He is a professor at Harvard Medical School who researches
the biology of aging. He is also co director for
the Center of the Biology of Aging, and he's a
best selling author of the book Lifespan, Why We Age
and Why We Don't Have To. He also has a
podcast by the same name, which I've listened to every episode.
It is excellent and we are honored to have him today.

(15:20):
Big fan of your work, Mr David Sinclair. David, thank
you so much for being on Man Thinkers Today. Hey
do it. It's great to be on. Awesome now, David,
first question for you, I just got to ask your
fifty three years old? Is that correct? Yes? Okay, you
look much younger than that. You seem like you're in
your mid to late thirties. So have you always looked
young for your age or it wasn't just until you

(15:41):
started implementing some of the things you found in your
research that you started to reverse your age. What's going
on there? I used to look old or actually, if
you look at photos. Actually I used to make this
joke to people. They say, how do you stay so young?
And I would say, oh, the trick is just used
old photos. Genius. Actually, yesterday where was I was on
some conference call with somebody and um, they asked me
how old I was and they got really upset. This

(16:01):
This guy was like, you've had plastic surgery. There's no
way you look like that. It's a hair transplant whatever,
I knowing. Okay, I guess it's working, Thank you very much.
But if anyone's wondering, this is my actual skin, my
actual hair. It turns out it's not that hard to
slow down and I think even reverse aging. So that's
what I try to do to myself as a role
model of what we can do in the future. I mean,

(16:22):
it's seeing you as making me a little angry, so
I understand that person's perspective. It's something seems strong. You're
sort of Benjamin Button. NG. Are you familiar with Benjamin Button?
Very familiar with Benjamin Button? So you know him or
you know? Is that is that where you got your
information from? Is that where the idea came from? No, Actually,
the idea came from just looking at people getting old
and sick and thinking and maybe the world doesn't have

(16:44):
to be this way, maybe we can stay healthier for
longer and therefore live longer. And it really it came
to my grandmother who scared the bit Jesus out of
me by saying that everyone in the world's going to die,
and so you and so am I and so is
your cat nasty Grandma. Yeah, I've never been the same since, unfortunately.
So that's is like, maybe you know, you just have
it out for old people. You're saying, what do we
need these old people for? I mean, are they really

(17:05):
adding anything to society at this point? Maybe you know,
nip them in the bud and say bye bye. Well, yeah,
I mean that's the way we've always done it. Really,
especially in the Western world, we put older people, even
our family members. We it's a great system. Well it's
great for the young people. I want a world though,
where people in their eighties, nineties and over a hundred
can be just as productive and feel just as young

(17:25):
as we do play tennis with your great grandfather, great grandmother.
That's where we're headed. By the way, this is what
the technology that's coming out of various labs is saying
will be possible one day. So that's important to emphasize
because I think sometimes when people hear about longevity, what
they think is happening is like, Okay, I'll live longer,
but I'll still be old and decrepit in my life
will be terrible. But what you're saying is no, you

(17:48):
could be eighty ninety, maybe a hundred years old and
still have the ability to play tennis without breaking your head.
That's absolutely right. So when people think of a hundred
year old and say, oh God forbid, I never want
to be old like that, that are missing the point.
The point is that you know, I'm now fifty three,
and I have the biology of someone in their early forties.
Now we can look at the future by looking at

(18:08):
someone who's thirty years older than me with very similar genes.
His name is Andrew Sinclair, and this happens to be
my father, and he has been doing many of the
right things that I do myself that predict longevity and
may help get us. There's eighty three. And if you
think I make you angry, you should see him. I
don't think I could handle that. He's got no illnesses.

(18:30):
He's just as energetic because he was when he was thirty.
He goes out every night. His mind is still as sharp,
maybe sharper, than it was at eighty three, when half
of his peers are already in the ground. So what
is Andrew Sinclair, your father doing? I mean, what should
we all be doing? What are the basic findings that
you have found over the years that really reverses aging. Yeah, well,
if there was one thing I could say that is

(18:52):
one of the easiest and probably the most potent, it's
to eat less often. I'm not saying eat less if
you're already a good weight. You're not going to restrict
the number of calories. That's not the point. If you
reduce the number of hours in which you eat per day,
it has remarkable health benefits. And we don't know exactly
why this works, but we do have a theory, and
that is that there are genes that control the aging process,

(19:14):
and they don't work very hard to protect us against
diseases and aging unless we give them some adversity, perceived
adversity at least. So you want your body to think,
holy crap, I could run it out of food next week,
or hey, I've had to run far because there's a
saber tooth cats chasing me, and those triggers cause us
to live longer. We know people who exercise and eat
less often tend to live longer. Be terrified, just be

(19:36):
in a constant state of PTSD. Well, mental stress is
not the point. We use the same word for mental
stress and bodily stress. It's not the same thing. I'm
talking about cell stress and organ stress, and it's called hormesis.
What a little bit of adversity will be good for you,
What doesn't kill you makes you live longer. Think of
it that way. But if you overdo it, of course,
if you starve or you run until you have a

(19:58):
heart attack, you're not gonna live longer. Probably you want
to be around the edge of that heart attack, kind
of threatening your heart. Say hey, buddy, if you don't
act accordingly, you're in trouble. But then the heart knows, okay,
I better get in line. That's right. This is hormesis.
And this is how my father and I live our lives.
He eats one main meal a day. So do I
I like this idea of a main meal. You know,
there's something very manly about that. It almost reminds me

(20:19):
of like a wrestling the main event, you know, it's
like the two biggest guys are about to go with.
You know, this is the main meal ring the bells,
walk on down the ramp to the ring and let's
eat this thing. It really is like that. I used
to eat throughout the day and feel guilty because I
gained weight and I'd have to be hungry. It seems like, David,
you're advocating for a lifestyle where basically you go to
on all you could eat buffet every day, big big meal,

(20:42):
you know, Chinese buffet, Old Country buffet, Texas barbecue style
buffet and just go nuts there. But then that's it.
Well that's a bit of an exaggeration, Okay, just trying
to make sure. But you know, David, you mentioned Hermesis earlier.
I listened to you on the Humanman podcast. I listen
to your podcast, and I heard about the ice bath situation.
So recently I tried to do what you've talked about,

(21:03):
which correct me if I'm wrong. Is twenty minutes in
a sauna, five minutes an ice bath something like that.
You do that three times in a row, and in
the third cold plunge, I think I might have suffered
a silent heart attack. And I'm not saying that's your fault, David.
That wasn't necessarily your fault because it was my choice.
You weren't giving me medical advice. But at the same time,
from a legal point of view, you might have given
me a heart attack. And maybe you'll hear from my

(21:24):
lawyers uh later. But is there any danger in some
of these tactics, Like is there such a thing as
going overboard with the ice bath or overboard in the
sauna or these things pretty much safe for anyone. It's
always a risk. You don't do these things if you
have an underlying medical condition, or if you suspect you
might have a heart attack. But generally, if you're young
and fit, these things are fine. But you don't want

(21:44):
to overdo it. You want to work up to it
to make sure that you're okay. I think what David
is saying that I could handle something like that, but
you would. You're obviously you have trouble. You sort of
a weak body, weak mind, weak body, And I don't
think that's what David was saying. But well, it okay,
Well it seemed like I think you could read between
the lines there. I think I'm gonna go ahead, David.
You think I'm going to live longer than Dan. Right,
I have my heart. My heart beats amazing. It's beat
so big and hard I could feel it on the

(22:04):
outside of my body. You both have great heads of
hair right there. It is true that how you look
on the outside is a good representation of how you
are on the inside as well. And that's interesting because
you know, you usually hear the opposite from you know,
these liberal people that are always like, oh, no, judge
people by how they look. But you're saying, let's judge,
let's judge the heart. You can. I mean, you can
see a smokers by someone who's overweight their whole life

(22:25):
that they're aging clock which we can now measure those
people in general, not everybody, but on average they are
aging faster. You can just see it in people's appearance.
You know, you're you're looking at me and you judge
me to be younger. My blood tests say that my
organs are younger as well, and I don't think that's
a coincidence. I mean, this podcast is about the science,
you know, It's not what's socially acceptable. It's about science, Okay,

(22:46):
So tell us if it, why is fat shaming a
good thing? Why should we all be shaming our fat friends. Well,
I say this out of respect and and love for
people and their help. I do what I do because
I care about people. But here's the science, if we
just ignore the politics, The science is that being obese
does accelerate diseases. And in large part that's because the
clock of aging goes faster. Women who are overweight typically

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get becoming fertile faster. It's because their clock of aging
is ticking faster. So I say that, you know, again
out of loved and respect, hoping to inspire people to
eat better, to eat less often in an effort to
live longer. Now it's very difficult. I know that. I'm
here to say it's worth it. Just try to have
a smaller breakfast every day and start there. I say
that also because skipping breakfast or having a smaller breakfast,

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these are not trivial effects. These are going to give
you maybe another five even ten years of healthy life
at the other end, So what about longer fasts? Because
I love challenging myself. If you do like a five
day or a three day fast or per long fast,
are you just adding years to your life? Maybe we
don't know that. We know in animals that if you
fast them for long periods there are lasting benefits even

(23:53):
a long time later. I've never been able to go
longer than twenty four hours without food. That's how much
I love it. Some people go for a week and
that is known to activate deep cleansing of the body,
getting rid of old proteins in a process called or
fade autoughag. Sometimes it's called You must be jealous of you, David,
because you're very successful now and you're very popular. I mean,
you're on man thinkers. Do you get Yeah, do you

(24:14):
get a lot of eyebrows from other scientists to people
kind of not like you because you're a celebrity. Oh gosh,
I didn't know as a celebrity, but okay. On social
media there was some very active scientists that take shots
at me all the time. There's one guy he's building
his career just on trying to take me down. Your
job creator. Yeah, that's how you know you've made it.
When someone can make money off of just bad mouthing you.

(24:35):
You've made Not enough people know who we are to
bad mouth us yet, But I can't wait until we
get some of those naysayers. I've tried to understand the psychology.
I think he's just madly in love with me. That's
what I've often thought about Dan, because Dan will come,
you know, he'll complain about me and the brass and well,
that's just because you're can be difficult to work with. Yeah,
but I think that's just because you secretly want to
be me and you very much envy the life I

(24:56):
live again, David said. David said, I younger. I don't
know if those were the exact words, but that was
my I don't think that's true at all. Professor Sinclair,
let me ask you about supplements for those who are listening,

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who are like, look, I already exercise, I already skipped breakfast.
I want to take it to the next level. What
are some things that the average day man and woman
can put into their body that are going to help
them live a long, healthy life. So one rule is
that you want to look for molecules that are made
by plants when they're stressed and when plants to stressed out.
Let's say it's olive oil from olives that are grown

(25:38):
on a hillside without much nutrition, or it's green tea
mucha which I drink, and that the leaves of the
plants are harvested after the plants being put in the shade.
These are all stresses on the plant and in response
they make molecules like ris vera troll in red white,
corcitin corsitin some people call it that's in apples and onions,
and e C g c is one that's in t

(25:58):
quin tea. These are molecule fills that seem to promote
health and longevity in in animals and prevent diseases like
heart disease in cancer in animals. And so the belief
is that if we take those things we will live longer.
We actually have a supplement and wondering how you would
feel about something like this, either of you're taking up
yourself or if you just want to give it endorsement. Basically,
we were just filling up capsules with sand, you know,

(26:19):
and selling It's just sand capsules build so it's harmless
in a way. Is there real benefits We don't know,
But that's not for us to decide. That's for because
someone like you came out and said, hey, you know
the sandhills pretty good and they can you know hormess. Uh,
that would go along putting hormesis on the label would
be huge for us. It will be huge hormesa sanduals.
Would you kind of back us up here, David? Or

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what do you think? I think that it's got some promise.
Great done, it could help with satiety. We should write
that down. You know, birds they swallow little stones. You
like the birds? Who's healthy? What's healthier than a bird?
They first can fly? I mean, come on, done another
door that unless I had some clinical evidence that no,
but this is great for our ads, so you do. Yeah,
we'll just take you know, we can cut a piece

(27:01):
of what you just said was throw it into the ad,
appreciate it, but make you fly. Yeah, and birds have
been living forever that used to be dinosaurs. What are
they going to be next? Live long enough to see
what birds become with sand? Well, there are a lot
of birds that live on sand and probably eat a
bit of it too. I mean, this is gold. Has
there been any research professor on the longevity effects of

(27:22):
semen retention? George is dying to get to say there are.
I've been retaining for a long time, and I think
that's why you think I am younger than Dan. I
don't know if any results, but life might seem longer.
I'm not an expert, but I have heard that relieving
oneself as a man is helpful to lower the risk
of prostate cancer. At the same time, you know, prostate

(27:43):
cancer very manly, the manliest form of cancer only a man. Well,
so you know, I thought, I'm not a fan of that.
But you know, on average, women live longer than men.
And so now if you outlive women, is there any
fear that you know, it's kind of feminine to live
so long? Is it not the man lees thing just
to die? Well, I'd rather be accused of being a

(28:04):
little feminine and not dying at sixty from a hot detect.
It's a trade off. Fine, well, Professor Saint Clair, thank
you so much for joining us. Thank you so much
for being on Man Thinkers today. I think the Thinkers
learned a lot. And I think, you know, listeners of
our podcasts are going to become maybe a hundred and fifty,
maybe two hundred, you know, and then that'll be great
for the podcast because we'll get to keep recording, keep
doing those ads, keep making money into our hundred sandills

(28:27):
for the next hundred years. Hey, thanks Dan, Thanks George's
great to meet you, guys, and you keep up the
good work. Highly informative, some strong takeaways. Yes, if you're fat,
you're disgusting and sick. If you're old, you're disgusting and sick.
And if you eat a bunch during the day, you're
disgusting and sick. Most people are disgusting and or sick.
And probably good about that because I've been telling people

(28:49):
that without the facts to back it up, right, and
now I have you have the facts. I mean, yeah,
you've been fat shaming. You're like probably the biggest fat
shamer I know. I mean we've walked down the streets
sometimes and if someone who's overweight walks by, you'll bark it. Yeah,
like a dog. But you're doing that, you should be scared.
I'm doing them a favor because, like Professor Sinclair said,
if they are under stress, they are healthier exactly. So
you bark and then you say you're welcome. So I
know a lot of our thinkers out there, a lot

(29:10):
of our listeners are disgusting slabs. So this one was
for you. It's for you guys, you know, and we
really hope you enjoyed today's episod because today's episode is
just as health focused as you'll ever get. What more
do you need? The fountain of youth we are teaching
this podcast is the fountain of you. Can we just
be found about? Would be happy to have happened upon
Man Thinkers. He was a true man. Oh, he was
a true thinker and a true man. Really, I would

(29:32):
say conquistadors in general were the original man thinkers. And
then this was a fantastic episode. Guys feel healthier just
knowing this stuff. Knowing I again, I have the confidence
now to tell people that they're sick, tell people that
they're living their lives wrong. That makes me feel so healthy.
So guys, starve yourselves, dunk in the cold, plunge, starve yours,
don't eat any food, stop eating, you drink tea, you

(29:54):
get freezing, and you let children work. I feel so
much better about my life going our words. Same and
everyone else listening to this. So guys, thank you for listening.
Rate us on iTunes, give us the five stars. I mean,
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(30:16):
remember keep thinking, keep thinking. You know Dan, actually, um,
I did have that heart attack. I went to I
got an e KG at the cardiologist, and well, I
told him that my lawyers will be reaching out because
he loved he's got a lot of money. What we
should be doing with all our guests say, get them
into legal jeopardy, back them into a corner and trap

(30:37):
them and trap them legally used that against them. Have
a great time. Oh yeah, great conversation. Yeah, report because
they won't see a common to have a two prong
approach of having a very popular podcast and a legal
team that's just extracting money basically mining Yes, free stuff.
I mean you went to law school twice. You must
have major compictions. Yeah, those people. Yeah, but again, because

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I was doing something right, and that's why people don't
like you. When I bark at him. It has made
me feel uncomfortable, I mean honest, because especially when you're
barking at overweight women, because it's so barking at overweight women,
it's just a tough if you're uncomfortable, We're getting to
the truth, a tough look, getting a truth with your
history and your background to be barking at women on
the street, especially obese women, that is a tough That's
why I'm willing to do it because that's the kind
of person I am, and I respe and I respect

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that