March 9, 2023 • 33 mins
Dan and George discuss the cinematic masterpiece that is TOP GUN: MAVERICK and why it should win every Academy Award. Then, the Thinkers welcome reality TV star and model, CJ Franco, to the show and pick her brain on how to be less of an incel and a better cuckold. Please just listen to it?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
You're listening to The Man Thinkers podcast, a show that
forges a new roadmap for the modern man on how
to best lived life. I'm George Collins, a former liberal cuckle,
and I'm Dan Finkelstein, a staunch libertarian in cell we think,
So you don't have to. I mean, you can't trust
Biden in inertia. These sleep He's so sleepy. He doesn't
(00:23):
know how to talk. No, he does to these strong
world leaders. Here's kidding me him across the table from
Vladimir Puttin, Exactly who are you taking? And right? And
so Russia is never going to stop? No this invasion. No,
if you have guys like Biden who can't handle themselves.
And I've been saying that right we should be if anything,
we should be at the table. I want to be
at the table. Put him. I would put him in
his place. Yeah, you would, I know how to do?
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What would you say? What would you say to him
if you sat down with him? To negotia they put
you. You You don't even want to know? Well I do.
I'm asking what would I say? Yea to Vladimir. I'm
gonna go up to Vladimir Putin and I'm gonna say hey,
mister Putin. Wow, um, mister uh, First of all, thank
you for meeting me. Sure, well you have to be
nice at first. Yeah, well butter m up. Yeah, but
get to the point. Say hey, right, um, first of all,
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thanks for meeting with me. The invasion is not going
as bad as they say it is, Like you're I
think it's cool. Um, so you would start off with
I think the invasions cool. I think it's cool. First
of all, you put me on the spot, right, right,
so let's we have to take it from there. But
you you, and now I'm talking of Vladimir brought into
the chat, and I would put Russia in the place
that it deserves to be. We don't want another Soviet union, right,
So I would go up to him, I say, mister Putin,
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thanks for a meeting with me. The invasion's fine. I
get the idea of wanting another Soviet union, right, Like,
you guys work top of the world, right, if it work,
that'd be good. I think he might like you actually,
because you're such a piece of shit. I feel like
he would relate to you and be like, oh, you're
hated by the world too. That's good. See, And that's
why I should be there? Right, Well, what do you
think you would do better? I would absolutely do better,
especially any you know you would get him to stop. Well, no,
you and Vladimir would make sense. Me and Gigi ping.
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That's he would get me, I think. Okay, Gigi would understand. Well, so, okay,
you want Vladimir Putin to stop this invasion? What do
you say though you're at You're at the negotiating dates, right,
is Gigi there? I mean maybe on the phone of something. Well,
first of all, I would say, Gigi, thank you for
taking my call. Well wait, you're talking okay. Well I'm
in the room, but I'm talking to Gigi. Okay, but
you should be talking to Putin too. Well, no, he's there.
I'm just saying. I'm saying I'd say i'd say, guys,
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first of all, thanks for you know, Gigi, thank you
for taking my call. Why are you getting so quiet?
Vladie always respected you, the way you do things your life.
Are you trying to get them to stop? I'm buttering
them up? Okay. You know I love those memes of you, Vladimir,
like on the Horse and the Wild, you know, with
a gun and compared to Biden, too. I mean, you
just look like such a real man. And I love
the way Vladimir. Did you see that footage recently of
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him at the G twenty or whatever it was, and
he had like his legs were shaking, as if he
had like parties, And that to me, I was like,
this guy's on a lot of suda feed or some
sort of drug that he shouldn't be taking. And I
respect that. That's a show of strength. Yes, And I
would tell him, I would say, I love the drugs
you're taking. Let me help you. That's what I would say.
I would say, we have some great stuff in Mare.
But I would tell him, I say, to have you know,
have you ever micro dos? Because I've micro dosed everything
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under the sun, And are you going to bring up
like Ukraine or are you going to start that negotiation
process again? I think first it would be ceremonially speaking.
It's like, let's get on the same page. Let's get
high together. Okay, let's you know what I mean. Let's
say cut to two nights later, you've gotten high, we're
fucking ripped. Two nights later, we are ripped out. Okay,
so the next three you guys have gone Then we
got to get over the hangover. You're over the hangover, Okay,
it's time to get to brass taxes. Lets well, then
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I would say, Vladie, we just had so much fun
the last couple of days. That's how I would start
when Brass. I would say, remember when you said this,
Remember when I took my clothes off and ran around
the conference room naked, and you were like, what are
you doing? And I was like, oh my god, this
is crazy and memories. Yeah, we just well bonding, right,
But eventually I would say, listen, what you're doing in Ukraine.
I think it's kind of cool. You would end with that,
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that's it, and then you would stop. That's what I'm saying.
Meetings over It's been five days partying and me saying,
by the way, what you're doing in Ukraine, I think
it's kind of cool. And then I go home and
he goes home and what does he tell his generals? This, George,
guys awesome. Let's not that's what you were trying to get.
Let's negotiation. You always criticize me for trying to get
people to like me, right, yeah, and this is but
That's what I'm great at. So I'm gonna get Vladimir
fucked up off his ass off of microdosing meth heroin,
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all the American drugs. Right. Then we're gonna party. Then
I'm gonna tell him Ukrane's cool, and then he's gonna
go home and he's gonna be like, I love that guy.
Let's not do anything that's gonna put him in jeopardy.
Oh where does he live? America? So let's not threaten America. Boom.
But if he doesn't do that, though he will, I
don't see that. I don't think going on a five
day bender with Putin is going to be the thing.
I don't know him. The Taylors, you know the first line,
but I don't know the first thing about. We have
a great show coming up today. C J Franco is
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here from HBO Max's Fboy Island. She's a model, she's
a comedian, she's an actor, she's a content creator. She's
a fantastic person. It's a great conversation with her, super fun,
super funny, very insight, she very insight. Well, she kind
of called Dan out on him being a terrible which
which I thought was great. She gave me some great
life advice on how to go out on these dates.
Me down more than she didn't. I would say she
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didn't put me down, she just gave me a heavy
dose of reality with I'm a cuck talking about this,
and we'll talk about that. You know what's coming up though?
Another award show? Oh my god? Does it ever end? No?
Does Hollywood ever stop rewarding celebrating themselves? Up? I don't care.
The Oscars are this weekend. Obviously we're not excited about that.
No one is, and no one even watches it anymore. Exactly,
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it has the lowest ratings it's ever had. And then
I'm just going to jump right into the big question
right here, Today's big question. Do all women wish they
were mad? Their own FECs cure? Aunt? Would children be
safer if everyone's stopped having sent Joe Biden be the
first ghost president? Washing your hands? Actually bad for anted house?
Is so scary? Should the Oscars even be televised? Like
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no one's watching them? I would love it for it
to be over. Just end the Oscars. I am going
to watch it. I have to watch it because I'm
a media personality, right, I have to be informed. Look,
I am curious, Sure, sure you know, I want to
know who wins and stuff, you know, and there's a cup,
there's not like like not all the movies were bad. No,
Top Gun, Maverick. The greatest film of the century, I
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would say more than the century. You think so well,
because what was there? There was the Lumier Brothers, the
Guys on the Moon or Thomas Edison, you know, an elephant.
We're saying century. I meant this century, so the last
twenty three years. Twenty three years. Absolutely, I was gonna
say all, like, well, I didn't running. It's in the
running for the year. Those guys landed on the Moon. Yeah,
I don't know that movie, but yeah, it's like one
of the first movies, the French guys they land on
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the Moon. What it was made maybe nineteen ten or something.
But this is so much better. Yeah, I mean, and
that was a wonderful movie. The Moon Landing is sure,
I'm not familiar with it. I don't wonderful history is
very a huge turn off to me. I'm surprised that
you're even I hate it. Sure, it is so excited
to be well informed though. Thomas Edison Electrocuting the Elephant.
I thought that was a great one. Sure, that sounds
really entertaining. Speaking of Thomas Thomas Cruise, one of the
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best Thomas Is there's ever been is Tom Cruise. Tom
Cruise puts on a show, right, say what you will
about this man. He knows how to make a movie. Okay, yes,
some of these dominees. What are you talking? Well, I mean,
you know, personally, I've gone through to see who was
gonna be, who's gonna win, who's gonna Well, yeah, of
course yeah you did, and so yeah, I have my
little little ballot box. Yet really, well, let's just go
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for the big gun, right, Okay, Yeah, best picture easy,
top Gun, mat Top Gun, Maverick. And if anyone out
there is listening who's on the committee and they don't
vote for top Gun Maverick, you are out of your
frecking mind. Well that was the best movie I saw
four times in the theaters. I loved it really, Oh
my god, didn't you enjoy it? I did. It was
first of all the movie I've ever seen in my love,
Oh my God. And the score is so good, so
good from the origin oh my motion. Do you remember
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how that song? Actually, that's a good question. What do
you have for best song? Original Song. I have Top
Gun Maverick theme song. Okay, interesting categories. Now how about
how about this Best Lead Actor? Sure, Tom Cruise, Top
Gun Mavericks. And here's the thing, I don't think Tom
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Cruise is he nominated. I don't think he And that
shows you can write it in, right, But that shows
you what's wrong with the oscars. Yes, Tom Cruise as
Captain Peter Mitchell. Hollywood's broken. Come on, it's the whole system.
It's just it's broken. They don't know what they're doing.
They don't know what they're doing. Okay, Best Actress Jennifer
Connelly Top Gime never This is interesting. Yeah, I actually
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I didn't go with her. Really, I went with Tom
Cruise again. Interesting, Yeah, you wrote him in. I wrote
him in. Now that see. I worry about that though, Dan,
giving your views on gender politics and gender identity, I
think men should be able to be the same awards. Yeah,
but you're saying then that a man can be a woman,
are you not? That is not what I'm saying, but
it is. I'm saying a man can win a woman's award.
And Jennifer Connolly is not nominated, and neither Tom Cruise
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is fantastic, and he and she was. Can we just
throw some respect on her name for a second. First
of all, Jennifer Connolly is the most beautiful woman that
I've ever seen in And she's old. She's old. She's old.
She's a freaking bag of bones. She's barely walking. She's
so old. Disgusting but gorgeous, beautiful. How she do it?
She's in her fifties, for crying out, lout, she looks
like she's twenty four. Why I wish they just made
that movie again. Yes, I know you could rerelease it,
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but Hollywood so obsessed. Shoot the whole thing again, same thing,
A few more close ups on Jennifer. I don't I'm
not complaining. No, And she's a They could improvise a
little bit if they want, well, Jennifer can, of course,
I'll never let them know the way Hollywood is run now. Well.
And then m best director, the guy whoever did Top
Gun Maverick? Whoever? That's what I wrote? What was the same?
I don't know, Jonathan something I don't Yeah, yeah, but
movie just say Tom Cruise again. I think that's fair
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because Tom Cruise basically co directs every movie's in there, right,
you can't and you don't have that movie without him. No,
Top Gun is Tom Cruise, and Tom Cruise is top Gun.
Let's just got a good chance of you know, winning
right now, we're four from four. Yeah. Can we just
also would say why it's such a good film? Number
one America first? Okay, So I love watching F twenty
two's blow up things that are not American. That is
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so fun. That's a good point. Is to make sure
that they're not blowing up American things, right well, that
could be a problem, that could be a proba. Just
shows you the genius of the movie exactly, because there
was probably some stupid liberal Hollywood executive was like, no, no no, no, no,
they should bomb America Chicago. Yeah, and it's like, why
were we bombing Chicago? Go bomb Iran or you know,
but they don't say Iran, of course, and that's fine. Smart. Yeah,
I'll project. I ran onto it and I had as
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an audience exactly and not just sound like whatever. But
you know, nice to see a movie about a white
guy again. Yes, Jesus Christ, old white man. I love
old white man, especially if their names and their last
names cruise and they've got something to say. Still yes,
they do that. They're here to what did they say
America first, America first? Best supporting Actor Miles tomles tell, Yeah,
you're gonna say Tom Cruising in Well, he's not the
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supporting actor though, I know, but I just felt like
he did so much that he was essentially supporting the
whole movie. He was kind of the support system, right.
I think they would have liked Avatar more if they
one used that song, two had Tom Cruise, and at
three if it took place in America or at least
with American soldiers. The whole time, I'm sitting and watching
Avatar and I'm like, where are we? Right? Is this
New York? I don't see an americaniorna. What are you
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trying to bomb Chicago right now? What's going on? What
about Best International Feature? Now that's an interesting It is
an interesting category because to me, there's a clear cut winner, right.
And I actually have watched all the international movie I
was curious. Triangle of Sadness, The Quiet Girl from Ireland
I thought was really good, EEO from Poland close from Belgium.
But yeah, for me, it's gotta be top top ten.
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And I think he was like, oh, well, that's an
American movie. Um, who were we bombing in that movie?
An international country and be bombing yet Chicago? Exactly? We're
bombing someone else probably, well, and that brings us to
today's big question. Oh we already did the big question. Yeah, well,
but that's this should be the big question. That brings
us to today's big question. Yeah, do all women wish
they were better own feces? Cure autos? Would children be
(11:16):
safer if everyone's stopped having Sejo Biden be the first
ghost press washing your hands? Actually? Bad House is so scary?
Should Top Gun Maverick win all the awards? And I
think that's a better big question, Yes, because the first
yeah on the first one, guys, And this is a
better one because it has a very clear answer, which
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is yes. And there you go. That's discussions over discussions. Normally,
when we have a big question, we have to talk
about it and it's not even clear what the true
answer is. It's really just what's your opinion? And I
like that this one is not an opinion, it's just
an answer. This is based on fact. Well as a
great movie. Really excited to watch that again this weekend.
I'll probably watch it up to gear up for the oscars,
which I hate. And we've got a great interview coming up.
We do. CJ Franco's coming up. But guys, first, yeah,
(12:00):
ats and it's the best part of the show. Honestly
my favorite part. When I listened back, I just skip
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gonna say, you could say Franco CJ. That's on her name? Well,
(12:22):
will you put a comma in the middle? Why would
you do that? Sometimes people get listed by their last name.
When have we ever introduced someone on this show? Introduce somebody?
Did we say thanko, Comma CJ. That's how it would
look at the last name Franco, exclamation point comma CJ?
How it would look on her report card? What report card? School?
All right? Man, anyway, guys, enjoy the ads, follow us
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Comma CJ. No one says that thinkers you know her
as the standout from season one of HBO Max's Fboy Island.
She's also a stand up commit an actor, clothing designer,
and model. We now welcome to man thinkers, c J.
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Franco CJ, thank you so much for being here. Oh
my god, I'm so happy to be up early with
you guys. Yes, it's very early to our thinkers out there.
This was prerecorded obviously, but it is nine am, which
for all of us is I mean, Dan, you sleep
till well? You know, I think I do a lot
of my best work at night. Right, That's where I'm
really riled up. And I could argue with people online.
You know, I like the light of the screen. Short
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it feels good to me the blue light at night.
You want to make sure you can stay up and
continue your unhealthy sleeping patterns. Sure, well, sure, if that's
one way of putting it, CJ. I watched all of
season one of Foy Island. I did not watch season
two mainly because you weren't on it. And I gotta
say you were fantastic in season when you were the
star of the show no disrespect to the other cast members,
but you seem like you were genuinely having a lot
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of fun. Is that the case? Did you enjoy your
experience on Foy Island or was that a stressful experience?
I mean, I think all reality TV shows are a
little bit stressful. You're on you don't know how you're
going to get presented, you know how you're going to
get edited, much like this posh Sure, sure anyone can
produce you into being anything they want you to be,
right and with me, I went on show. I didn't
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want to go on the show. Really well, I didn't
want to date anybody. Okay, I don't like man, not
much respect. We're going to teach you to love men,
well sure not his type of men? No, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,
that's why I'm here. Yeah, hopefully anyone can convert me exactly,
and we are the ones to do it. We are
modern day our subtles. We have great philosophy on why
Ari Suttle was known for just being Can we just
(14:31):
be honest about that very long beards feet out Yeah
that just sounds like a fun boy. But okay, maybe
he was well because one of the things I thought
about the show was like there were times right where
you and the other female cast members would vote people off,
men off, and you don't know if this guy is
f boy or a nice guy. But then there were
times where you would vote off a nice guy and
would be revealed, Oh he was a nice guy, and
it's like, oh, no, he's a nice guy. But it's like, yeah,
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but you didn't like him, you know what I mean?
It doesn't matter if he was a nice guy. If
you're not feeling somebody, you're not feeling somebody, right. I
didn't feel any of them really. Oh man, they just
sat me with a pile of steving ship and made
me make it worse. So you had a little bit
was it like, hey, you have to hang out with Casey? Hey,
but like, do you know what I mean? No, Casey
was just the best of a bad situation. Got it.
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The more distance I have from it, the more I
think that I did enjoy the process because the producers
really did let me do whatever I wanted to, and
I had the freedom. I was first cast, so they
let me. They're like, just be you, just do whatever
you do. I'm like, I would hate these guys. I
would give them a hard time without knowing the name
of the show. Sure, you can see the kind of
guys they are. They're not good. That one guy, Garrett,
(15:34):
Oh my god, Garrett's actually a really funny person to
hang out with. Yeah, you should surprise you weren't able
to pick up on that. Well, he seemed like Garrett.
I could tell. I was like, oh, this guy, Garrett's
your kind of guy for or you would love Garrett.
I'm happy to meet him. So I'm in an open relationship, CJ.
More my wife's decision than mine. It's going great for her.
What are your thoughts on open relationships? Do you think
that's a real thing? Do you think that's workable? You know,
(15:55):
I didn't. I didn't really believe in that. It's not
that it was raised with the perfect vision of like,
oh this is monogamy, just not because people weren't faithful,
but because they weren't happy. Yeah. Yeah, and it's like
you only live once you know what's going to happen
open relationships. I don't think that's something that I'm super
a fan of. You know what I'm not a fan
of is lying and cheating and breaking people's off esteem. Yes, yes,
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so like, if you're going to be somebody that's doing that,
I think coming to an agreement that's like, Okay, you're
the cuckold, yes, and the wife girlfriend wife, yes, out
you're banging people well, and do you know that I
respect that about her? She came to me, she said, listen,
at the end of the day, George, your cuck and
I have sexual urges. And she told you that, but
you hadn't brought that up to her. I hadn't been
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cucked yet. But she said, I'm going to cuck you.
And I said, thank you for the us awesome. That's
mad respect a thousand percent. What advice would you have
for men like me, say in cells, who are desperately,
desperately trying to hook up with a model. What would
you say to them if they're on their hands and
knees saying please, please please? Do you have money? That's
a good that that would be your response. That would
be my response. Ye, well, you know, and we're starting
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to become a photographer. Buy a camera, get some equipment.
How about you have something to offer It would be funny, Yeah,
funny photographer, be funny. So it's like, let's take some
goofy pictures Pete Davidson. God, you think he was doing
well before? Absolutely not at I think he's an attractive man,
you would think that. I think a lot of men
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get beaten down because they don't have enough to provide
a woman. And a lot of my guy friends even
say like, oh, these girls are only want money and
they only want this that. No, we also want cloud,
like there's other things that we want. Yeah, cloud, right right? Yeah?
So does your boyfriend have a lot of statuas? Do
you have a lot of cloud? He's a powerful guy,
but he's also so sensitive and so caring and involved.
(17:41):
And it's not just me. It's like one of my friends,
she just broke up with the father of her child.
She's having a hard time, and my boyfriend's like, well,
let's help her out. What can we do. I have
this furniture and storage pictures of her my girlfriend. Well, no,
that's what I'm saying. Is that what he offered? He said, Hey,
let's take some silly pictures as a photographer. Yeah, oh no,
he didn't know. Oh if he helped her get her footing?
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What if I said, okay, I want to help, here's
five thousand dollars, will you now go on a day
with me. I think that there's a lot of people
that would do that. But I think that there's a
lot of different ways that you can add value to
someone's life. I think transactional animals. I give animals money too.
I think that would be a better route if you
want to go donate your time to like animal rescue
farms and like working with I think women seeing you
(18:22):
give back and contribute so that to see me. So
I organize a field trip. Well, first of all, you
have to leave your house. You're going to leave the house. Yeah,
which is Can I could bring animals to my house? No,
that's a bunch of animals. That's no, don't do that.
There's a bunch of hon Just pitch out the full idea. Sure,
a bunch of animals in my house. I get a
bus full of women. How are you going to do that?
CJ will help. I'll help five thousand dollars per person
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when or take all that money a bust full of
five grand women. You can borrow money. Men have that cloud.
You go to a bank, you have no cloud. You
have cloud for not having cloud, that's your cloud. Your
cloud is This guy has got such little cloud. That's
not that's that's that's kind of that's your warped that's
your warped world view. I'm a very empathetic and I
think I don't really have status. My status is sort
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of directly related to my wife kind of cucking me
and whatnot. So amongst cucks, I think I have some stays,
especially because this podcast I went, But was was your
boyfriend's empathy and sensitivity apparent to you right away? How
did you pick up on that? Well? I remember one
night I told him just a sad story of my life.
You know, I was younger, and sometimes you relate to
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people through trauma or like, I've been through this and
you know, the world's a bad place and things have
happened to me. And I was doing a little victims
story about how bad things were for me, and I
started crying and I looked up and he had a
little tear, and I was like, what are you doing?
This is my moment to be sad, right, And he goes,
I just feel so bad for you. That's so horrible
that would have happened. And usually I'm repulsed when men cry. Sure,
(19:44):
but I couldn't believe that somebody else could have that
kind of level of compassion, and we didn't know each
other that well, I've run into the mistake again. I
am in an open thing. So I have gone on
on some dates with women, and I cry right away,
right away. On the day one first date, I just
shed tons of tears, usually about my relationship with my wife.
How does it start? Does it start father nice? And
then and then dwindle down. She says, tell me about yourself,
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and I say, well, here's my life, and I just
start breaking. Just pretend I'll be or to pretend to
be CJ CJ. Can you guys pretend to be on
a date with me? Okay, I'll do I have no cloud?
Yeahs out great? Yeah yeah. So Hi, Well I'm a
beautiful woman. You're so not though I'm stabbed you. What
does that even mean? I think that means like big breasts,
like big everything, big everything. Yeah, okay, so I'm stacked
(20:27):
to the nine, big everything. I got a big ass.
You walk in, I say, Hi, it's nice to meet you.
I say it's great to meet you. Let me tell
you about my life and then I go into the facts. Here, Well,
i'm a cuck at the end of the day. I
think I've been a tell you open, that's how I open.
I'm a cuck, and I think I've been a cuck
since I was a child because my own father cucked
me in the sense that not in a literal sense.
Did you want to get a drink? Like? No, I
want to on the beautiful to excuse me? Can you
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listen to the words I'm saying. I'm telling you that
I'm a cuck. Okay, okay, didn't even start with offering
her a drink. You didn't even get a drink or
something to eat, cuckstojas. Right now, we're going to get
a nice brew. You can do that. I'm here to
tell you about my bad life. So you want me
to go to the bar, You go to the bar,
You get a drink with my big ass, my stacked bod.
You've lost her already, Yeah, so it's already. It's already.
She's not coming back, okay, And they usually don't. It's
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very surprising to me to hear this that that yet
you lead with, I think I'm a cuck, and I
think i've I'm trying to be like this is who
I am because I don't want to waste my time,
and I don't want to waste her time. It sounds
that you've wasted a lot of your time. I've wasted
my whole life. Wow. I think That's been one of
the sort of realizations I've had in my many ayahuasca trips,
is that so many ayahuasca trips that yes, at a
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certain point, it's like you're wasting your time by just
keep i know, revealing the same thing. Mother, iyas like
stop coming here, but you know CJ two nice guys
finished last in your mind? Is that a real thing?
Sounds like? No, well, it sounds like you like compassion.
That's like a nice thing. Here's here. How about why
don't you let her answer the question? No, I got it,
I gotta Are you going to have asked? And you're gone? Word? Well, yeah,
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a little bit. But in a relationship, they say, you know,
listening is so important to me, though, isn't talking more
important because that's what you get your ideas out, whereas
listening you're just hearing someone else. All your ideas are dumb. Yeah, really,
everything you have to say is dumb. Everyone just being
extremely quiet. First, Well, it's a good sign of mental
health and being comfortable and at ease with people. Sure,
you don't need to fill it with words. You don't
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need to take up all the air in the room.
Less is more. I think when you have something important
to say, and especially if you speak softly, they listen.
That's interary. Soft. Yes, it's nice. And so I have well,
I have a soft actually question, a very quiet question.
I wanted to ask for you, CJ something because do
you think that women would be more likely to go
on a date with me? No? One's going on if
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they knew that there would be consequences. Now, I'm not
threatening anybody. You just made a threat. No, I didn't.
That's a threat. I'm just saying every action has a reaction.
There's going to be consequences no matter what. And I'm
just saying, isn't that good to know? Going into it?
I say, Hi, I would would you like to go
on a date with me? And if you don't there
will be consequences. I'm not threatening anybody. First of all.
Is that a good strateg that's enticing? Thank you? I
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think a lot of women would be. I mean, we
all want to get murdered a little bit like, yeah,
I want to if somebody threatened me in a subtle way.
I think it would just pique my interests. I could
get murdered. We used no, no, no, no, that can't happen. Yeah,
I'm just no, there will be consequences. There will be consequences.
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I like a mystery. I like to not know exactly
what I'm getting myself into. I think women we get bored. Yeah,
the same thing. If you ask my zodiac sign again,
and like I'm going to project all vomit, don't ask
me my color, don't ask me about what my parents, No,
my siblings, No, tell me that if it will be
don't go well, and there could be consequences. And if
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you say yes, there will, there will be cons and
we just don't know what the consequences are too exactly.
The mystery will keep me up exactly what is your
zodiac sign? No? Okay, got it? Men are just so funny,
don't you think, annoying me? Yeah? Yeah, they're just annoyingly
(24:01):
yes funny too. Well, there you go. There's an agreement.
We men get away with a lot more. I have
to be a little bit more like cautious or I'll
find out that my jokes are considered raunchy, but I'm
even nasty. I think if a man were to do
the same material that I would do double standard, it
would get a different reaction, got it? And also, you
guys can look funny. I have to look like this,
(24:22):
right right? You always have to be presentable. Men can
look I mean you look like a sloth all the time.
And beautiful animals well, well that you know that reminds me,
you know. Speaking of fashion, I notice you have sort
of a dress that has like kind of a gap
in the middle. It's a shirt, a shirt that has
a gap in the middle. Hell's wrong with you? I
don't even know what a dress or a shirt is.
Isn't a a ddress just a long shirt? I mean,
(24:44):
in some regards I get I think it's great. Yeah,
so you'll have some one, you know, now, is that
a mistake when they do that? Or do you say
to yourself, I need to get a dress slash shirt
with a hole in it? When is the what is
the thought process there? I didn't want this. I have
a friend who styles me, and she told I want it,
and I want this, but I don't want this. Titty's out.
It's not my look, you know. I'm trying to be
(25:04):
considered more like put together, you know, New York edgy
lady or New York edgy lady. That's the direction that
I've been told to go in. You want to be
a New York edgy lady. So I thought this was
a little bit much, But then I also thought, you
guys would probably nice for me in an interview if
my boobs showed a little bit. It has worked. It
has worked, Yeah, because I had some grilling question would
have been well in regards to a shirt or a
dress with a hole in it for a man, you know,
(25:26):
would it be good for me to get some don't
ever do that. Really, whatever you're about to say is
no pants with a little hole. And you didn't have
to say it. I did, but she's started it, and
it was it was gonna not go. Well, yeah, pants
with a little hole. We got it the first time.
We got it before he even said it, And that's
not going to work. Who are you trying to attract? Yeah? Really, like,
what's the demographic that's like really into testicles to start with?
If you guys just didn't have them, everyone would be fine.
(25:49):
The world probably be a better place. Yeah, Oh yeah,
I mean a world fellow Unix would be a better world.
I think. Okay, so no on the pants with the hole, no,
not even I think it's all no. Really, here's a question,
are you still in touch with any of the Well
we actually I asked you about that and you did
something with Garrett. Okay, well that's what you interrupted us for. Listen,
wow to ask an old question. All I'm saying is
watched up questions. What was the casting process like for
(26:11):
f boy? What did you have to do? What was
it the dm me? I didn't I didn't see the dms.
I'm not really bad active as far as like reading
like a lot of messages and it's all Hi, oh
you're so pretty, Oh, like can we be friends? Like
I must be wonderful to get that every day, all
the time from everyone. It's just so in this script,
it's just like, give me something to bond with you,
over right. You tell me about your trauma, telling me
(26:32):
about how you're a cock. Right, tell me I respond
to that. You give me like even a problem you're
going through. I'm like, I'm now I'm invested, but exactly
like hi, like emojis, HI will be consequences even that
I don't know that I would respond to that, and
that's that's my idea, stole my idea and you're not
seeing it right? Well, okay, so they m I didn't
see it. Got it. My modeling agent at the time
(26:55):
called me. They're like, CJ, this reality show really wants you.
They're saying they're going to cast a show around you.
You're perfect for this, like and I'm like, you know,
I don't want to do any reality shows. And it's
a dating show. I don't want to do a dating show,
like I hate going on dates. They knew what they
were getting into with me. I didn't care. One time,
I was in the Caribbean Ocean on a paddle boat
and I had I had come out like past the
(27:15):
area you're supposed to into, like the docks with the
big boats, and then just the infinite ocean. Yeah, And
I go, oh shit, I got it. I got this
hbo zoom and I go, okay, I have service. I'm
just going to take it from here. And so I'm
on the FaceTime We're getting swept into the ocean and
they're like, where are you a question? Oh, I'm out
in the ocean. There's like thirty exacts on that call. Wow,
(27:36):
well that that probably that's a flex though. They were
probably like we want this woman now. We got not
care yet. I killed so little that I was like,
this is a joke, Like they're they're just having like
a laugh at me. They're not gonna cut there's no
version of anyone them casting someone who does not care
this much. That might make you more attractive to them.
It makes me more attractive to everyone. Yes, if I
(27:58):
could care not at all about any thing, right, that's
just good advice. Nihilism in general, I think is the
peak philosophia. Philosophy just means you don't care about anything. Nihilism. Yeah,
you're a nihilist, you care about nothing, Okay, But what
can I be compassionate at the same time, Yeah, you
could say you could define yourself as a compassionate nihilist.
I'm a compassion Yeah, you're starting the philosophy. Ye, go,
I need some passionate nihisk that could be like on
(28:20):
your website, CJ Franco compassionate nihilist. We've talked about, you know,
some modeling. What do you say to critics who say,
you know, oh, CJ, she's the same kind of model
as every other model out there. We don't want to
see an attractive woman, We want to see an interesting
face like Dan Finkelstein. What do you want you say
to that? No one says that. There's no critic who
says that. Honestly, it's in my questions. There's a movement
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towards a less traditional look from modeling, and I think
it's very inclusive. You and your caucasianness is probably not
the extent of the inclusivity they describe. I think it's
more body positivity. I respect the instinct, but at the
end of the day, if I'm buying a magazine, I
want to see good looking people. Is there something wrong
with that? And I just I think there's something wrong
with you walking around buying magazines. What do you mean?
(29:03):
Seems are cool? No GQ, no Sports illustrated, Sports sports illustrated,
haven't you? Yeah? See CJ does it? It's cool? I
did it. I've evolved, Okay, New York right, New York
have changed. We're above Sports illustrated. So what are you
walking down to the news stand? I go to I
buy the news. He's every day. I'm a big Many
places are there to even get a man. There's a few, Yeah,
there's a few. I mean it's nice to take pictures
(29:24):
there like you're in buy something and then not right,
and then not date right, like a bookstore. Yes, I
don't do things just to do them to say that
I did them right, because it's this memetic thing where
we want what other people want. We're copying what other
people have done, and then we're programmed to think that
that's what we want, and then we end up being
depressed and miserable and lost and without passion. Right. Did
you learn that from the White Lotus? I did, because
(29:45):
that's what I learned. Everything I've I'm telling you that
I've learned from White Lotus. Lotus is a fantastic it's
so good, fantastic. Yes, And I've written things like that, No,
you have. Yes, I was in aspiring Hollywood writer but
he was rejected because he was terrible. But yes, I've
written something very s alert to the White Lotus, did you? Yeah?
And it was well, it was about me and I
was staying in a hotel and I was going to
(30:07):
go on a date with someone and there well, I'll
just say that there was going to be consequences. Okay, great, Well,
that's that's the best. What was the tone? It was
White Lotus in what way? Like as far as it
being a drama, as far as it being scripted. If
it's about your life, then is it like an adaptation
of a of a book or of an adaptation of
White Lotus starring Dan? That's all you did? You saw
(30:29):
the show and you said this, I'm going to make
a show that's this but my life. Which character are
you going to be? Really? The guy you can't get?
The young guy? The young guy? Did you watch the show?
He didn't watch this? She probably would you watched like
probably exactly, Well, you don't on Instagram. He's a meme guy,
your meme head, Dan. Yeah, you consume media. You guys.
I really didn't think I didn't like you guys at all,
(30:50):
but you do. Immediately immediately, there we go. Yeah, you
guys are really unconventional, creative, smart, thoughtful. Yes, not what
I said, okay, and no, And but what I saw
was you guys have a different idea and you guys
aren't going by what other people are doing. I like
new things, I like trying new things, and like, what's
the worst that can happen? You guys make me look
(31:11):
like good publicity. That's the show. The heart of this
show is just making Dan look bad. And it's not hard.
It's not because hard sink yourself down. The heart of
the show thinking, ship's sinking thought, the heart of the shows.
You are the whole thought provoking men, providing a new
roadmap for the modern man. Had the best lived life. Yes, CJ,
(31:33):
I have one last question for you. I'm a virgin,
I'm angry. Will you go out with me? Okay? Thank you,
right to the Thank you so much for being on man.
Thinkers appreciate that. Is there anything that you would like
to promote for the thinkers out there to see more
of your content? My instagram is at c J Franco. Okay, okay,
very complicated, follow you dj J Franco or how to
(31:55):
smell c s cee. What are you talking about? And
okay it's the two letters? Yeah, absolutely, Frank, clearly I'm
on the same the same world, you know what I mean?
Did you ask the question about me being virgin and
angry and you go out last? That was how you
ended the end? We did? Okay, I think we covered
that well. That was fantastic. CJ. Really confirmed a lot
(32:17):
of my beliefs. Clout, strength, and that you lack those things.
I'm neutral on that. No empathy, that because how empathy
is important to her? Compassion, sure you which you don't have,
and that's okay. I don't think she said you have
to have all of these things, but I'm just saying
that she confirmed my beliefs and what a man needs
to be sure, have a lot of clout, have a
lot of money. Well she didn't say you have to
have money, but yet yeah, but that's part of it. Strength. Well,
(32:38):
I think her point was you have to have something
to offer. You don't have anything to offer the world,
especially women. You show up with just hatred in your heart,
and so that why would anyone Well I'm not at
least showing up saying hey, I'm a cook, but I'm
being honest. There's transparency when I show up, when I
show up to say that was important. Well, she said
she is a compassionate nihilist, and I think that's taken
her really far in the world. And I think thinker's new.
(32:59):
You believe, Yeah, if you believe in something, stop it right,
just be a nice person, But don't believe in anything
and that's just one way to live your life, and
it's working for her. There are many paths, but I
think she is doing that and sticking to it. Yes,
she has no beliefs in anything, but she's a compassionate
person and works person. Absolutely Well. It was a great show.
Cannot wait to rip on the stupid stupid Oscars, which
(33:19):
I will be watching from beginning to end. I'm having
an Oscars party, you know, really? Yeah, yeah, great, are
you coming over? Great? Man? That's all that sounds great?
Are you coming over? I said that sounds great, So
that's yes. Oh, I'm talking about your party. I said
your party sounds great, and I'm saying will you be there?
And I'm saying the idea sounds great. Okay, so it's
a great idea. Don't show up now because you're uninvited.
(33:39):
I wasn't gonna come anyway. Well, I know, great episode.
Five stars. Follow us on the Socials at Man, thinkers underscore.
You have to put the underscore. You don't put the underscore?
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You're listening to The Man Thinkers podcast, a show that
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to best lived life. I'm George Collins, a former liberal cuckle,
and I'm Dan Finkelstein, a staunch libertarian in cell we think,
So you don't have to. I mean, you can't trust
Biden in inertia. These sleep He's so sleepy. He doesn't
(00:23):
know how to talk. No, he does to these strong
world leaders. Here's kidding me him across the table from
Vladimir Puttin, Exactly who are you taking? And right? And
so Russia is never going to stop? No this invasion. No,
if you have guys like Biden who can't handle themselves.
And I've been saying that right we should be if anything,
we should be at the table. I want to be
at the table. Put him. I would put him in
his place. Yeah, you would, I know how to do?
(00:44):
What would you say? What would you say to him
if you sat down with him? To negotia they put
you. You You don't even want to know? Well I do.
I'm asking what would I say? Yea to Vladimir. I'm
gonna go up to Vladimir Putin and I'm gonna say hey,
mister Putin. Wow, um, mister uh, First of all, thank
you for meeting me. Sure, well you have to be
nice at first. Yeah, well butter m up. Yeah, but
get to the point. Say hey, right, um, first of all,
(01:07):
thanks for meeting with me. The invasion is not going
as bad as they say it is, Like you're I
think it's cool. Um, so you would start off with
I think the invasions cool. I think it's cool. First
of all, you put me on the spot, right, right,
so let's we have to take it from there. But
you you, and now I'm talking of Vladimir brought into
the chat, and I would put Russia in the place
that it deserves to be. We don't want another Soviet union, right,
So I would go up to him, I say, mister Putin,
(01:28):
thanks for a meeting with me. The invasion's fine. I
get the idea of wanting another Soviet union, right, Like,
you guys work top of the world, right, if it work,
that'd be good. I think he might like you actually,
because you're such a piece of shit. I feel like
he would relate to you and be like, oh, you're
hated by the world too. That's good. See, And that's
why I should be there? Right, Well, what do you
think you would do better? I would absolutely do better,
especially any you know you would get him to stop. Well, no,
you and Vladimir would make sense. Me and Gigi ping.
(01:50):
That's he would get me, I think. Okay, Gigi would understand. Well, so, okay,
you want Vladimir Putin to stop this invasion? What do
you say though you're at You're at the negotiating dates, right,
is Gigi there? I mean maybe on the phone of something. Well,
first of all, I would say, Gigi, thank you for
taking my call. Well wait, you're talking okay. Well I'm
in the room, but I'm talking to Gigi. Okay, but
you should be talking to Putin too. Well, no, he's there.
I'm just saying. I'm saying I'd say i'd say, guys,
(02:11):
first of all, thanks for you know, Gigi, thank you
for taking my call. Why are you getting so quiet?
Vladie always respected you, the way you do things your life.
Are you trying to get them to stop? I'm buttering
them up? Okay. You know I love those memes of you, Vladimir,
like on the Horse and the Wild, you know, with
a gun and compared to Biden, too. I mean, you
just look like such a real man. And I love
the way Vladimir. Did you see that footage recently of
(02:32):
him at the G twenty or whatever it was, and
he had like his legs were shaking, as if he
had like parties, And that to me, I was like,
this guy's on a lot of suda feed or some
sort of drug that he shouldn't be taking. And I
respect that. That's a show of strength. Yes, And I
would tell him, I would say, I love the drugs
you're taking. Let me help you. That's what I would say.
I would say, we have some great stuff in Mare.
But I would tell him, I say, to have you know,
have you ever micro dos? Because I've micro dosed everything
(02:52):
under the sun, And are you going to bring up
like Ukraine or are you going to start that negotiation
process again? I think first it would be ceremonially speaking.
It's like, let's get on the same page. Let's get
high together. Okay, let's you know what I mean. Let's
say cut to two nights later, you've gotten high, we're
fucking ripped. Two nights later, we are ripped out. Okay,
so the next three you guys have gone Then we
got to get over the hangover. You're over the hangover, Okay,
it's time to get to brass taxes. Lets well, then
(03:14):
I would say, Vladie, we just had so much fun
the last couple of days. That's how I would start
when Brass. I would say, remember when you said this,
Remember when I took my clothes off and ran around
the conference room naked, and you were like, what are
you doing? And I was like, oh my god, this
is crazy and memories. Yeah, we just well bonding, right,
But eventually I would say, listen, what you're doing in Ukraine.
I think it's kind of cool. You would end with that,
(03:35):
that's it, and then you would stop. That's what I'm saying.
Meetings over It's been five days partying and me saying,
by the way, what you're doing in Ukraine, I think
it's kind of cool. And then I go home and
he goes home and what does he tell his generals? This, George,
guys awesome. Let's not that's what you were trying to get.
Let's negotiation. You always criticize me for trying to get
people to like me, right, yeah, and this is but
That's what I'm great at. So I'm gonna get Vladimir
fucked up off his ass off of microdosing meth heroin,
(03:58):
all the American drugs. Right. Then we're gonna party. Then
I'm gonna tell him Ukrane's cool, and then he's gonna
go home and he's gonna be like, I love that guy.
Let's not do anything that's gonna put him in jeopardy.
Oh where does he live? America? So let's not threaten America. Boom.
But if he doesn't do that, though he will, I
don't see that. I don't think going on a five
day bender with Putin is going to be the thing.
I don't know him. The Taylors, you know the first line,
but I don't know the first thing about. We have
a great show coming up today. C J Franco is
(04:21):
here from HBO Max's Fboy Island. She's a model, she's
a comedian, she's an actor, she's a content creator. She's
a fantastic person. It's a great conversation with her, super fun,
super funny, very insight, she very insight. Well, she kind
of called Dan out on him being a terrible which
which I thought was great. She gave me some great
life advice on how to go out on these dates.
Me down more than she didn't. I would say she
(04:42):
didn't put me down, she just gave me a heavy
dose of reality with I'm a cuck talking about this,
and we'll talk about that. You know what's coming up though?
Another award show? Oh my god? Does it ever end? No?
Does Hollywood ever stop rewarding celebrating themselves? Up? I don't care.
The Oscars are this weekend. Obviously we're not excited about that.
No one is, and no one even watches it anymore. Exactly,
(05:03):
it has the lowest ratings it's ever had. And then
I'm just going to jump right into the big question
right here, Today's big question. Do all women wish they
were mad? Their own FECs cure? Aunt? Would children be
safer if everyone's stopped having sent Joe Biden be the
first ghost president? Washing your hands? Actually bad for anted house?
Is so scary? Should the Oscars even be televised? Like
(05:25):
no one's watching them? I would love it for it
to be over. Just end the Oscars. I am going
to watch it. I have to watch it because I'm
a media personality, right, I have to be informed. Look,
I am curious, Sure, sure you know, I want to
know who wins and stuff, you know, and there's a cup,
there's not like like not all the movies were bad. No,
Top Gun, Maverick. The greatest film of the century, I
(05:46):
would say more than the century. You think so well,
because what was there? There was the Lumier Brothers, the
Guys on the Moon or Thomas Edison, you know, an elephant.
We're saying century. I meant this century, so the last
twenty three years. Twenty three years. Absolutely, I was gonna
say all, like, well, I didn't running. It's in the
running for the year. Those guys landed on the Moon. Yeah,
I don't know that movie, but yeah, it's like one
of the first movies, the French guys they land on
(06:07):
the Moon. What it was made maybe nineteen ten or something.
But this is so much better. Yeah, I mean, and
that was a wonderful movie. The Moon Landing is sure,
I'm not familiar with it. I don't wonderful history is
very a huge turn off to me. I'm surprised that
you're even I hate it. Sure, it is so excited
to be well informed though. Thomas Edison Electrocuting the Elephant.
I thought that was a great one. Sure, that sounds
really entertaining. Speaking of Thomas Thomas Cruise, one of the
(06:28):
best Thomas Is there's ever been is Tom Cruise. Tom
Cruise puts on a show, right, say what you will
about this man. He knows how to make a movie. Okay, yes,
some of these dominees. What are you talking? Well, I mean,
you know, personally, I've gone through to see who was
gonna be, who's gonna win, who's gonna Well, yeah, of
course yeah you did, and so yeah, I have my
little little ballot box. Yet really, well, let's just go
(06:49):
for the big gun, right, Okay, Yeah, best picture easy,
top Gun, mat Top Gun, Maverick. And if anyone out
there is listening who's on the committee and they don't
vote for top Gun Maverick, you are out of your
frecking mind. Well that was the best movie I saw
four times in the theaters. I loved it really, Oh
my god, didn't you enjoy it? I did. It was
first of all the movie I've ever seen in my love,
Oh my God. And the score is so good, so
good from the origin oh my motion. Do you remember
(07:22):
how that song? Actually, that's a good question. What do
you have for best song? Original Song. I have Top
Gun Maverick theme song. Okay, interesting categories. Now how about
how about this Best Lead Actor? Sure, Tom Cruise, Top
Gun Mavericks. And here's the thing, I don't think Tom
(07:43):
Cruise is he nominated. I don't think he And that
shows you can write it in, right, But that shows
you what's wrong with the oscars. Yes, Tom Cruise as
Captain Peter Mitchell. Hollywood's broken. Come on, it's the whole system.
It's just it's broken. They don't know what they're doing.
They don't know what they're doing. Okay, Best Actress Jennifer
Connelly Top Gime never This is interesting. Yeah, I actually
(08:04):
I didn't go with her. Really, I went with Tom
Cruise again. Interesting, Yeah, you wrote him in. I wrote
him in. Now that see. I worry about that though, Dan,
giving your views on gender politics and gender identity, I
think men should be able to be the same awards. Yeah,
but you're saying then that a man can be a woman,
are you not? That is not what I'm saying, but
it is. I'm saying a man can win a woman's award.
And Jennifer Connolly is not nominated, and neither Tom Cruise
(08:25):
is fantastic, and he and she was. Can we just
throw some respect on her name for a second. First
of all, Jennifer Connolly is the most beautiful woman that
I've ever seen in And she's old. She's old. She's old.
She's a freaking bag of bones. She's barely walking. She's
so old. Disgusting but gorgeous, beautiful. How she do it?
She's in her fifties, for crying out, lout, she looks
like she's twenty four. Why I wish they just made
that movie again. Yes, I know you could rerelease it,
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but Hollywood so obsessed. Shoot the whole thing again, same thing,
A few more close ups on Jennifer. I don't I'm
not complaining. No, And she's a They could improvise a
little bit if they want, well, Jennifer can, of course,
I'll never let them know the way Hollywood is run now. Well.
And then m best director, the guy whoever did Top
Gun Maverick? Whoever? That's what I wrote? What was the same?
I don't know, Jonathan something I don't Yeah, yeah, but
movie just say Tom Cruise again. I think that's fair
(09:09):
because Tom Cruise basically co directs every movie's in there, right,
you can't and you don't have that movie without him. No,
Top Gun is Tom Cruise, and Tom Cruise is top Gun.
Let's just got a good chance of you know, winning
right now, we're four from four. Yeah. Can we just
also would say why it's such a good film? Number
one America first? Okay, So I love watching F twenty
two's blow up things that are not American. That is
(09:30):
so fun. That's a good point. Is to make sure
that they're not blowing up American things, right well, that
could be a problem, that could be a proba. Just
shows you the genius of the movie exactly, because there
was probably some stupid liberal Hollywood executive was like, no, no no, no, no,
they should bomb America Chicago. Yeah, and it's like, why
were we bombing Chicago? Go bomb Iran or you know,
but they don't say Iran, of course, and that's fine. Smart. Yeah,
I'll project. I ran onto it and I had as
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an audience exactly and not just sound like whatever. But
you know, nice to see a movie about a white
guy again. Yes, Jesus Christ, old white man. I love
old white man, especially if their names and their last
names cruise and they've got something to say. Still yes,
they do that. They're here to what did they say
America first, America first? Best supporting Actor Miles tomles tell, Yeah,
you're gonna say Tom Cruising in Well, he's not the
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supporting actor though, I know, but I just felt like
he did so much that he was essentially supporting the
whole movie. He was kind of the support system, right.
I think they would have liked Avatar more if they
one used that song, two had Tom Cruise, and at
three if it took place in America or at least
with American soldiers. The whole time, I'm sitting and watching
Avatar and I'm like, where are we? Right? Is this
New York? I don't see an americaniorna. What are you
(10:34):
trying to bomb Chicago right now? What's going on? What
about Best International Feature? Now that's an interesting It is
an interesting category because to me, there's a clear cut winner, right.
And I actually have watched all the international movie I
was curious. Triangle of Sadness, The Quiet Girl from Ireland
I thought was really good, EEO from Poland close from Belgium.
But yeah, for me, it's gotta be top top ten.
(10:55):
And I think he was like, oh, well, that's an
American movie. Um, who were we bombing in that movie?
An international country and be bombing yet Chicago? Exactly? We're
bombing someone else probably, well, and that brings us to
today's big question. Oh we already did the big question. Yeah, well,
but that's this should be the big question. That brings
us to today's big question. Yeah, do all women wish
they were better own feces? Cure autos? Would children be
(11:16):
safer if everyone's stopped having Sejo Biden be the first
ghost press washing your hands? Actually? Bad House is so scary?
Should Top Gun Maverick win all the awards? And I
think that's a better big question, Yes, because the first
yeah on the first one, guys, And this is a
better one because it has a very clear answer, which
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is yes. And there you go. That's discussions over discussions. Normally,
when we have a big question, we have to talk
about it and it's not even clear what the true
answer is. It's really just what's your opinion? And I
like that this one is not an opinion, it's just
an answer. This is based on fact. Well as a
great movie. Really excited to watch that again this weekend.
I'll probably watch it up to gear up for the oscars,
which I hate. And we've got a great interview coming up.
We do. CJ Franco's coming up. But guys, first, yeah,
(12:00):
ats and it's the best part of the show. Honestly
my favorite part. When I listened back, I just skip
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(12:22):
will you put a comma in the middle? Why would
you do that? Sometimes people get listed by their last name.
When have we ever introduced someone on this show? Introduce somebody?
Did we say thanko, Comma CJ. That's how it would
look at the last name Franco, exclamation point comma CJ?
How it would look on her report card? What report card? School?
All right? Man, anyway, guys, enjoy the ads, follow us
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(12:42):
Comma CJ. No one says that thinkers you know her
as the standout from season one of HBO Max's Fboy Island.
She's also a stand up commit an actor, clothing designer,
and model. We now welcome to man thinkers, c J.
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Franco CJ, thank you so much for being here. Oh
my god, I'm so happy to be up early with
you guys. Yes, it's very early to our thinkers out there.
This was prerecorded obviously, but it is nine am, which
for all of us is I mean, Dan, you sleep
till well? You know, I think I do a lot
of my best work at night. Right, That's where I'm
really riled up. And I could argue with people online.
You know, I like the light of the screen. Short
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it feels good to me the blue light at night.
You want to make sure you can stay up and
continue your unhealthy sleeping patterns. Sure, well, sure, if that's
one way of putting it, CJ. I watched all of
season one of Foy Island. I did not watch season
two mainly because you weren't on it. And I gotta
say you were fantastic in season when you were the
star of the show no disrespect to the other cast members,
but you seem like you were genuinely having a lot
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of fun. Is that the case? Did you enjoy your
experience on Foy Island or was that a stressful experience?
I mean, I think all reality TV shows are a
little bit stressful. You're on you don't know how you're
going to get presented, you know how you're going to
get edited, much like this posh Sure, sure anyone can
produce you into being anything they want you to be,
right and with me, I went on show. I didn't
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want to go on the show. Really well, I didn't
want to date anybody. Okay, I don't like man, not
much respect. We're going to teach you to love men,
well sure not his type of men? No, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,
that's why I'm here. Yeah, hopefully anyone can convert me exactly,
and we are the ones to do it. We are
modern day our subtles. We have great philosophy on why
Ari Suttle was known for just being Can we just
(14:31):
be honest about that very long beards feet out Yeah
that just sounds like a fun boy. But okay, maybe
he was well because one of the things I thought
about the show was like there were times right where
you and the other female cast members would vote people off,
men off, and you don't know if this guy is
f boy or a nice guy. But then there were
times where you would vote off a nice guy and
would be revealed, Oh he was a nice guy, and
it's like, oh, no, he's a nice guy. But it's like, yeah,
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but you didn't like him, you know what I mean?
It doesn't matter if he was a nice guy. If
you're not feeling somebody, you're not feeling somebody, right. I
didn't feel any of them really. Oh man, they just
sat me with a pile of steving ship and made
me make it worse. So you had a little bit
was it like, hey, you have to hang out with Casey? Hey,
but like, do you know what I mean? No, Casey
was just the best of a bad situation. Got it.
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The more distance I have from it, the more I
think that I did enjoy the process because the producers
really did let me do whatever I wanted to, and
I had the freedom. I was first cast, so they
let me. They're like, just be you, just do whatever
you do. I'm like, I would hate these guys. I
would give them a hard time without knowing the name
of the show. Sure, you can see the kind of
guys they are. They're not good. That one guy, Garrett,
(15:34):
Oh my god, Garrett's actually a really funny person to
hang out with. Yeah, you should surprise you weren't able
to pick up on that. Well, he seemed like Garrett.
I could tell. I was like, oh, this guy, Garrett's
your kind of guy for or you would love Garrett.
I'm happy to meet him. So I'm in an open relationship, CJ.
More my wife's decision than mine. It's going great for her.
What are your thoughts on open relationships? Do you think
that's a real thing? Do you think that's workable? You know,
(15:55):
I didn't. I didn't really believe in that. It's not
that it was raised with the perfect vision of like,
oh this is monogamy, just not because people weren't faithful,
but because they weren't happy. Yeah. Yeah, and it's like
you only live once you know what's going to happen
open relationships. I don't think that's something that I'm super
a fan of. You know what I'm not a fan
of is lying and cheating and breaking people's off esteem. Yes, yes,
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so like, if you're going to be somebody that's doing that,
I think coming to an agreement that's like, Okay, you're
the cuckold, yes, and the wife girlfriend wife, yes, out
you're banging people well, and do you know that I
respect that about her? She came to me, she said, listen,
at the end of the day, George, your cuck and
I have sexual urges. And she told you that, but
you hadn't brought that up to her. I hadn't been
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cucked yet. But she said, I'm going to cuck you.
And I said, thank you for the us awesome. That's
mad respect a thousand percent. What advice would you have
for men like me, say in cells, who are desperately,
desperately trying to hook up with a model. What would
you say to them if they're on their hands and
knees saying please, please please? Do you have money? That's
a good that that would be your response. That would
be my response. Ye, well, you know, and we're starting
(16:58):
to become a photographer. Buy a camera, get some equipment.
How about you have something to offer It would be funny, Yeah,
funny photographer, be funny. So it's like, let's take some
goofy pictures Pete Davidson. God, you think he was doing
well before? Absolutely not at I think he's an attractive man,
you would think that. I think a lot of men
(17:19):
get beaten down because they don't have enough to provide
a woman. And a lot of my guy friends even
say like, oh, these girls are only want money and
they only want this that. No, we also want cloud,
like there's other things that we want. Yeah, cloud, right right? Yeah?
So does your boyfriend have a lot of statuas? Do
you have a lot of cloud? He's a powerful guy,
but he's also so sensitive and so caring and involved.
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And it's not just me. It's like one of my friends,
she just broke up with the father of her child.
She's having a hard time, and my boyfriend's like, well,
let's help her out. What can we do. I have
this furniture and storage pictures of her my girlfriend. Well, no,
that's what I'm saying. Is that what he offered? He said, Hey,
let's take some silly pictures as a photographer. Yeah, oh no,
he didn't know. Oh if he helped her get her footing?
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What if I said, okay, I want to help, here's
five thousand dollars, will you now go on a day
with me. I think that there's a lot of people
that would do that. But I think that there's a
lot of different ways that you can add value to
someone's life. I think transactional animals. I give animals money too.
I think that would be a better route if you
want to go donate your time to like animal rescue
farms and like working with I think women seeing you
(18:22):
give back and contribute so that to see me. So
I organize a field trip. Well, first of all, you
have to leave your house. You're going to leave the house. Yeah,
which is Can I could bring animals to my house? No,
that's a bunch of animals. That's no, don't do that.
There's a bunch of hon Just pitch out the full idea. Sure,
a bunch of animals in my house. I get a
bus full of women. How are you going to do that?
CJ will help. I'll help five thousand dollars per person
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when or take all that money a bust full of
five grand women. You can borrow money. Men have that cloud.
You go to a bank, you have no cloud. You
have cloud for not having cloud, that's your cloud. Your
cloud is This guy has got such little cloud. That's
not that's that's that's kind of that's your warped that's
your warped world view. I'm a very empathetic and I
think I don't really have status. My status is sort
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of directly related to my wife kind of cucking me
and whatnot. So amongst cucks, I think I have some stays,
especially because this podcast I went, But was was your
boyfriend's empathy and sensitivity apparent to you right away? How
did you pick up on that? Well? I remember one
night I told him just a sad story of my life.
You know, I was younger, and sometimes you relate to
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people through trauma or like, I've been through this and
you know, the world's a bad place and things have
happened to me. And I was doing a little victims
story about how bad things were for me, and I
started crying and I looked up and he had a
little tear, and I was like, what are you doing?
This is my moment to be sad, right, And he goes,
I just feel so bad for you. That's so horrible
that would have happened. And usually I'm repulsed when men cry. Sure,
(19:44):
but I couldn't believe that somebody else could have that
kind of level of compassion, and we didn't know each
other that well, I've run into the mistake again. I
am in an open thing. So I have gone on
on some dates with women, and I cry right away,
right away. On the day one first date, I just
shed tons of tears, usually about my relationship with my wife.
How does it start? Does it start father nice? And
then and then dwindle down. She says, tell me about yourself,
(20:05):
and I say, well, here's my life, and I just
start breaking. Just pretend I'll be or to pretend to
be CJ CJ. Can you guys pretend to be on
a date with me? Okay, I'll do I have no cloud?
Yeahs out great? Yeah yeah. So Hi, Well I'm a
beautiful woman. You're so not though I'm stabbed you. What
does that even mean? I think that means like big breasts,
like big everything, big everything. Yeah, okay, so I'm stacked
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to the nine, big everything. I got a big ass.
You walk in, I say, Hi, it's nice to meet you.
I say it's great to meet you. Let me tell
you about my life and then I go into the facts. Here, Well,
i'm a cuck at the end of the day. I
think I've been a tell you open, that's how I open.
I'm a cuck, and I think I've been a cuck
since I was a child because my own father cucked
me in the sense that not in a literal sense.
Did you want to get a drink? Like? No, I
want to on the beautiful to excuse me? Can you
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listen to the words I'm saying. I'm telling you that
I'm a cuck. Okay, okay, didn't even start with offering
her a drink. You didn't even get a drink or
something to eat, cuckstojas. Right now, we're going to get
a nice brew. You can do that. I'm here to
tell you about my bad life. So you want me
to go to the bar, You go to the bar,
You get a drink with my big ass, my stacked bod.
You've lost her already, Yeah, so it's already. It's already.
She's not coming back, okay, And they usually don't. It's
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very surprising to me to hear this that that yet
you lead with, I think I'm a cuck, and I
think i've I'm trying to be like this is who
I am because I don't want to waste my time,
and I don't want to waste her time. It sounds
that you've wasted a lot of your time. I've wasted
my whole life. Wow. I think That's been one of
the sort of realizations I've had in my many ayahuasca trips,
is that so many ayahuasca trips that yes, at a
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certain point, it's like you're wasting your time by just
keep i know, revealing the same thing. Mother, iyas like
stop coming here, but you know CJ two nice guys
finished last in your mind? Is that a real thing?
Sounds like? No, well, it sounds like you like compassion.
That's like a nice thing. Here's here. How about why
don't you let her answer the question? No, I got it,
I gotta Are you going to have asked? And you're gone? Word? Well, yeah,
(21:53):
a little bit. But in a relationship, they say, you know,
listening is so important to me, though, isn't talking more
important because that's what you get your ideas out, whereas
listening you're just hearing someone else. All your ideas are dumb. Yeah, really,
everything you have to say is dumb. Everyone just being
extremely quiet. First, Well, it's a good sign of mental
health and being comfortable and at ease with people. Sure,
you don't need to fill it with words. You don't
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need to take up all the air in the room.
Less is more. I think when you have something important
to say, and especially if you speak softly, they listen.
That's interary. Soft. Yes, it's nice. And so I have well,
I have a soft actually question, a very quiet question.
I wanted to ask for you, CJ something because do
you think that women would be more likely to go
on a date with me? No? One's going on if
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they knew that there would be consequences. Now, I'm not
threatening anybody. You just made a threat. No, I didn't.
That's a threat. I'm just saying every action has a reaction.
There's going to be consequences no matter what. And I'm
just saying, isn't that good to know? Going into it?
I say, Hi, I would would you like to go
on a date with me? And if you don't there
will be consequences. I'm not threatening anybody. First of all.
Is that a good strateg that's enticing? Thank you? I
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think a lot of women would be. I mean, we
all want to get murdered a little bit like, yeah,
I want to if somebody threatened me in a subtle way.
I think it would just pique my interests. I could
get murdered. We used no, no, no, no, that can't happen. Yeah,
I'm just no, there will be consequences. There will be consequences.
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I like a mystery. I like to not know exactly
what I'm getting myself into. I think women we get bored. Yeah,
the same thing. If you ask my zodiac sign again,
and like I'm going to project all vomit, don't ask
me my color, don't ask me about what my parents, No,
my siblings, No, tell me that if it will be
don't go well, and there could be consequences. And if
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you say yes, there will, there will be cons and
we just don't know what the consequences are too exactly.
The mystery will keep me up exactly what is your
zodiac sign? No? Okay, got it? Men are just so funny,
don't you think, annoying me? Yeah? Yeah, they're just annoyingly
(24:01):
yes funny too. Well, there you go. There's an agreement.
We men get away with a lot more. I have
to be a little bit more like cautious or I'll
find out that my jokes are considered raunchy, but I'm
even nasty. I think if a man were to do
the same material that I would do double standard, it
would get a different reaction, got it? And also, you
guys can look funny. I have to look like this,
(24:22):
right right? You always have to be presentable. Men can
look I mean you look like a sloth all the time.
And beautiful animals well, well that you know that reminds me,
you know. Speaking of fashion, I notice you have sort
of a dress that has like kind of a gap
in the middle. It's a shirt, a shirt that has
a gap in the middle. Hell's wrong with you? I
don't even know what a dress or a shirt is.
Isn't a a ddress just a long shirt? I mean,
(24:44):
in some regards I get I think it's great. Yeah,
so you'll have some one, you know, now, is that
a mistake when they do that? Or do you say
to yourself, I need to get a dress slash shirt
with a hole in it? When is the what is
the thought process there? I didn't want this. I have
a friend who styles me, and she told I want it,
and I want this, but I don't want this. Titty's out.
It's not my look, you know. I'm trying to be
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considered more like put together, you know, New York edgy
lady or New York edgy lady. That's the direction that
I've been told to go in. You want to be
a New York edgy lady. So I thought this was
a little bit much, But then I also thought, you
guys would probably nice for me in an interview if
my boobs showed a little bit. It has worked. It
has worked, Yeah, because I had some grilling question would
have been well in regards to a shirt or a
dress with a hole in it for a man, you know,
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would it be good for me to get some don't
ever do that. Really, whatever you're about to say is
no pants with a little hole. And you didn't have
to say it. I did, but she's started it, and
it was it was gonna not go. Well, yeah, pants
with a little hole. We got it the first time.
We got it before he even said it, And that's
not going to work. Who are you trying to attract? Yeah? Really, like,
what's the demographic that's like really into testicles to start with?
If you guys just didn't have them, everyone would be fine.
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The world probably be a better place. Yeah, Oh yeah,
I mean a world fellow Unix would be a better world.
I think. Okay, so no on the pants with the hole, no,
not even I think it's all no. Really, here's a question,
are you still in touch with any of the Well
we actually I asked you about that and you did
something with Garrett. Okay, well that's what you interrupted us for. Listen,
wow to ask an old question. All I'm saying is
watched up questions. What was the casting process like for
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f boy? What did you have to do? What was
it the dm me? I didn't I didn't see the dms.
I'm not really bad active as far as like reading
like a lot of messages and it's all Hi, oh
you're so pretty, Oh, like can we be friends? Like
I must be wonderful to get that every day, all
the time from everyone. It's just so in this script,
it's just like, give me something to bond with you,
over right. You tell me about your trauma, telling me
(26:32):
about how you're a cock. Right, tell me I respond
to that. You give me like even a problem you're
going through. I'm like, I'm now I'm invested, but exactly
like hi, like emojis, HI will be consequences even that
I don't know that I would respond to that, and
that's that's my idea, stole my idea and you're not
seeing it right? Well, okay, so they m I didn't
see it. Got it. My modeling agent at the time
(26:55):
called me. They're like, CJ, this reality show really wants you.
They're saying they're going to cast a show around you.
You're perfect for this, like and I'm like, you know,
I don't want to do any reality shows. And it's
a dating show. I don't want to do a dating show,
like I hate going on dates. They knew what they
were getting into with me. I didn't care. One time,
I was in the Caribbean Ocean on a paddle boat
and I had I had come out like past the
(27:15):
area you're supposed to into, like the docks with the
big boats, and then just the infinite ocean. Yeah, And
I go, oh shit, I got it. I got this
hbo zoom and I go, okay, I have service. I'm
just going to take it from here. And so I'm
on the FaceTime We're getting swept into the ocean and
they're like, where are you a question? Oh, I'm out
in the ocean. There's like thirty exacts on that call. Wow,
(27:36):
well that that probably that's a flex though. They were
probably like we want this woman now. We got not
care yet. I killed so little that I was like,
this is a joke, Like they're they're just having like
a laugh at me. They're not gonna cut there's no
version of anyone them casting someone who does not care
this much. That might make you more attractive to them.
It makes me more attractive to everyone. Yes, if I
(27:58):
could care not at all about any thing, right, that's
just good advice. Nihilism in general, I think is the
peak philosophia. Philosophy just means you don't care about anything. Nihilism. Yeah,
you're a nihilist, you care about nothing, Okay, But what
can I be compassionate at the same time, Yeah, you
could say you could define yourself as a compassionate nihilist.
I'm a compassion Yeah, you're starting the philosophy. Ye, go,
I need some passionate nihisk that could be like on
(28:20):
your website, CJ Franco compassionate nihilist. We've talked about, you know,
some modeling. What do you say to critics who say,
you know, oh, CJ, she's the same kind of model
as every other model out there. We don't want to
see an attractive woman, We want to see an interesting
face like Dan Finkelstein. What do you want you say
to that? No one says that. There's no critic who
says that. Honestly, it's in my questions. There's a movement
(28:41):
towards a less traditional look from modeling, and I think
it's very inclusive. You and your caucasianness is probably not
the extent of the inclusivity they describe. I think it's
more body positivity. I respect the instinct, but at the
end of the day, if I'm buying a magazine, I
want to see good looking people. Is there something wrong
with that? And I just I think there's something wrong
with you walking around buying magazines. What do you mean?
(29:03):
Seems are cool? No GQ, no Sports illustrated, Sports sports illustrated,
haven't you? Yeah? See CJ does it? It's cool? I
did it. I've evolved, Okay, New York right, New York
have changed. We're above Sports illustrated. So what are you
walking down to the news stand? I go to I
buy the news. He's every day. I'm a big Many
places are there to even get a man. There's a few, Yeah,
there's a few. I mean it's nice to take pictures
(29:24):
there like you're in buy something and then not right,
and then not date right, like a bookstore. Yes, I
don't do things just to do them to say that
I did them right, because it's this memetic thing where
we want what other people want. We're copying what other
people have done, and then we're programmed to think that
that's what we want, and then we end up being
depressed and miserable and lost and without passion. Right. Did
you learn that from the White Lotus? I did, because
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that's what I learned. Everything I've I'm telling you that
I've learned from White Lotus. Lotus is a fantastic it's
so good, fantastic. Yes, And I've written things like that, No,
you have. Yes, I was in aspiring Hollywood writer but
he was rejected because he was terrible. But yes, I've
written something very s alert to the White Lotus, did you? Yeah?
And it was well, it was about me and I
was staying in a hotel and I was going to
(30:07):
go on a date with someone and there well, I'll
just say that there was going to be consequences. Okay, great, Well,
that's that's the best. What was the tone? It was
White Lotus in what way? Like as far as it
being a drama, as far as it being scripted. If
it's about your life, then is it like an adaptation
of a of a book or of an adaptation of
White Lotus starring Dan? That's all you did? You saw
(30:29):
the show and you said this, I'm going to make
a show that's this but my life. Which character are
you going to be? Really? The guy you can't get?
The young guy? The young guy? Did you watch the show?
He didn't watch this? She probably would you watched like
probably exactly, Well, you don't on Instagram. He's a meme guy,
your meme head, Dan. Yeah, you consume media. You guys.
I really didn't think I didn't like you guys at all,
(30:50):
but you do. Immediately immediately, there we go. Yeah, you
guys are really unconventional, creative, smart, thoughtful. Yes, not what
I said, okay, and no, And but what I saw
was you guys have a different idea and you guys
aren't going by what other people are doing. I like
new things, I like trying new things, and like, what's
the worst that can happen? You guys make me look
(31:11):
like good publicity. That's the show. The heart of this
show is just making Dan look bad. And it's not hard.
It's not because hard sink yourself down. The heart of
the show thinking, ship's sinking thought, the heart of the shows.
You are the whole thought provoking men, providing a new
roadmap for the modern man. Had the best lived life. Yes, CJ,
(31:33):
I have one last question for you. I'm a virgin,
I'm angry. Will you go out with me? Okay? Thank you,
right to the Thank you so much for being on man.
Thinkers appreciate that. Is there anything that you would like
to promote for the thinkers out there to see more
of your content? My instagram is at c J Franco. Okay, okay,
very complicated, follow you dj J Franco or how to
(31:55):
smell c s cee. What are you talking about? And
okay it's the two letters? Yeah, absolutely, Frank, clearly I'm
on the same the same world, you know what I mean?
Did you ask the question about me being virgin and
angry and you go out last? That was how you
ended the end? We did? Okay, I think we covered
that well. That was fantastic. CJ. Really confirmed a lot
(32:17):
of my beliefs. Clout, strength, and that you lack those things.
I'm neutral on that. No empathy, that because how empathy
is important to her? Compassion, sure you which you don't have,
and that's okay. I don't think she said you have
to have all of these things, but I'm just saying
that she confirmed my beliefs and what a man needs
to be sure, have a lot of clout, have a
lot of money. Well she didn't say you have to
have money, but yet yeah, but that's part of it. Strength. Well,
(32:38):
I think her point was you have to have something
to offer. You don't have anything to offer the world,
especially women. You show up with just hatred in your heart,
and so that why would anyone Well I'm not at
least showing up saying hey, I'm a cook, but I'm
being honest. There's transparency when I show up, when I
show up to say that was important. Well, she said
she is a compassionate nihilist, and I think that's taken
her really far in the world. And I think thinker's new.
(32:59):
You believe, Yeah, if you believe in something, stop it right,
just be a nice person, But don't believe in anything
and that's just one way to live your life, and
it's working for her. There are many paths, but I
think she is doing that and sticking to it. Yes,
she has no beliefs in anything, but she's a compassionate
person and works person. Absolutely Well. It was a great show.
Cannot wait to rip on the stupid stupid Oscars, which
(33:19):
I will be watching from beginning to end. I'm having
an Oscars party, you know, really? Yeah, yeah, great, are
you coming over? Great? Man? That's all that sounds great?
Are you coming over? I said that sounds great, So
that's yes. Oh, I'm talking about your party. I said
your party sounds great, and I'm saying will you be there?
And I'm saying the idea sounds great. Okay, so it's
a great idea. Don't show up now because you're uninvited.
(33:39):
I wasn't gonna come anyway. Well, I know, great episode.
Five stars. Follow us on the Socials at Man, thinkers underscore.
You have to put the underscore. You don't put the underscore?
Send you to a really weird place. Yeah all right,
keep thinking, Keep thinking, guys,
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