March 2, 2023 • 31 mins
George describes his recent past life regression before the Thinkers dive into a conversation about the merits of sleep and whether or not it's a real thing. Then, Goosebumps author, R.L. Stine, joins the show to discuss how he is the original Netflix and why drinking water doesn't make any sense.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dan, you want to tell our listeners a little bit
about today's show. Well, guys, we got a great show
coming up today. We're going to talk to a really
skinny guy and a really fat guy. Awesome. See if
they agree on stuff, or they disagree, maybe they'll get
into a fight. It could be really interesting. We might
throw him in the studio together and just lock the
door slock the doors, see what happens. We'll kind of
narrate the whole thing. It's like rooster fights. He talk. Oh, actually, Dan,
I'm just seeing the skinny guy. He canceled last minute,
(00:22):
so I know the fact guy. Now, what do we
need with just a fat guy? I don't know. Should
we just tell him to go home? I don't want
to just talk to a fat guy. Yeah, I don't
want to just talk to the fat guy. Him against
skinny guys kind of no point? Yeah, um, all right,
Well guys, we don't actually know who's gonna be on
the show today. Our fat guy. He's coming. He's probably late. Yeah,
of course makes sense. Skinny guys are unreliable. They are
unreliable because guys are always late, but they show up.
(00:43):
They show up. You know, we're not going to talk
to him. Though, Guys, when we come back, we'll tell
you who's on the show, because we're not sure because
we're gonna get canceled in the fact. Guy, no way,
we're talking to him alone. You're listening to the Man
Thinkers podcast, a show that forge is a new roadmap
for the modern and had a best lived life. I'm
George Collins, a former liberal cuple and I'm Dan Finkelstein,
(01:05):
a staunch libertarian in cell. This is a safe space
from safe spaces, you know, Dan, I am over the weekend.
I had a past life regression. Really yeah, what is that? Oh,
so you don't know. I was hypnotized by a professional
hypnotist and it took me back because I wanted to
see my past life. So he so this person, So
(01:25):
this woman, this woman, Yes, she's Charlatan. No, she's not Charlottan.
She ask her. She's a hypnosis she's a hypocrite. No, no no, no,
she's a hiotic therapist. I don't know what the technical
term is. But she put me into hypnosis and then
she took me back to my previous life. And what
was it. I was a really strong warrior. I was
the chief of my tribe in a South American before
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you went in and just said, no, that's what happened. No,
I dropped into my body and boom. I was hunting
right away. I was holding a spear. I was looking
for like a boar type animal. I was very strong.
I was there. I had a past life regression. M Yeah,
I was king and I saw you there. You were
there do you were? And you were in my and
you were begging what I was king of the land
and you were begging for help, And I said, sacrifice
(02:05):
this guy and a bunch of my employees they killed
you for fun, employees and called employees. Yeah, that's well,
I believe you. You have to believe me. I'll believe you.
But you you so you got regressed by a professional
or how did you get regressed? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it
was a professional. Where'd you go? I did online? Okay,
you don't know what you're talking about. You're just full
of shit. Okay, So what did you was when I
was back leading my tribe, which, by the way, I
was a noble leader. Everybody? Oh really, you were a
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noble leader a coward? No, I did you didn't just
say that you were noble? But no, one believed you
you were a medicine woman, and you tried to give
me some sort of weird concoction ever told me was
going to help me hunt, but actually it made my
nervous system twitch and I knew. Okay, so you had
bad intentions. And you know what, Dan, I could have
banished you, and I chose not to. I could have
even killed you because the thing I did you allow you. Instead,
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I said, have mercy on this woman. She is nothing
but a fuck up. And the tribe said, shame on you,
but we won't kill you. And so you lived out
the rest of your life. You were gorgeous. Really, you're
a beautiful, beautiful woman, all right, I like this beautiful
well you, but you were you were deceptive. That's okay, Well,
survival of the fittest. It doesn't matter what you look like.
At the end of the day, your heart was cold
and dark. That's it doesn't bother me at all saying
that recognized you, because as soon as I saw the
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medicine woman, I said, oh, that's damp, because I said
she's not trustworthy. That's damp. That's fine. And also, Dan,
you know, take no medicine woman. You were a woman
in a past life, and maybe this should be that's
why women don't like me now, or maybe it could
be very catty women. That's not what my point was.
My point was maybe you should have more empathy for
the opposite gender because you've been a woman before, and
you haven't been a good one. I'll tell you that. Okay,
I'm trying to be you were a bad person. Okay,
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I'm trying. I'm trying to be more empathy. I had
a lot of debts to pay. Yeah, no, it's not working.
You know. I love this woman though, I'd love to
meet her. If you could draw a picture of her,
I mean I can't. She was just really just beautiful, long,
dark olive green eyes, but not trustworthy, very deceptive, just
like you. But yeah, you should check it out. You
should come to a real regression. No, okay, one of
(03:52):
your fantastic Bob Stein is here r L R L stump,
mister goosebumps. He is the goosiest house. I was just
afraid talking to him. He scared the crap out of him. Yeah,
I didn't like he was acting like a nice guy. Yeah,
which was difficult. Yeah, because he's a sick of well,
I don't know about that. I mean, he was written
hundreds of scary books. So why that doesn't make you sick?
(04:13):
Yes it does. Why who else has done that in
the history of the world. Stephen Kings written a bunch
of scary book he's a sick? Oh he's not, as
he is? Why get him on the show. I'd love
to talk to mister King. Well, we can't. We can't
find out whether he is a sick or or not
if he's not on the show. So we then have
to lean towards he is a sicker. You know we
should do We should get Arnold Stein and Stephen King
in the same room, lock him in and just see
what happened, See who comes out, who comes out alive?
(04:34):
That would be great. Yeah, well thinkers, stay tuned for that.
But first, you know, we have something we need to
talk about here. Well, it happened again. It happened again.
Oh yeah, I didn't sleep at all last night because
you had another night terror. Yeah, every night I get
night terrorsts. I have daytime terrorists to it, and on
daytime tears. What is that? Basically like you're having a
nightmare but during the day, so sort of when you
blank you could see kind of a vision and you're,
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you know, jostled awake, sort of a way, generally terrified
all day with a daytime terror, It's more just that
I'm generally terrified throughout the day, God, which is very normal.
It's it's actually a very normal condition for a man
to have. Sure, it's not nothing to be ashamed of
it now, a coward or you know, no, no, no, no,
I think just a normal man, a coward would see
the things that he's terrified and run. But I think
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as as you're just terrified of life in general, I
think that's where a lot of it comes from. And
these are things, these are traumas that I've experienced from
my past. So I can't I have no control over that. Okay,
no matter what you do, and you're sleeping life, you're
waking life, you can't escape here, cannot escaped. I mean
that's rough, Dan, you know, I'm sorry to hear that.
I mean, why do you think terror follows you wherever
you go? Why would terror follow me personally? Well, you know,
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it probably has something to do with a traumatic episode
I experienced as a child or something. You know, you're
perpetually afraid of your grandmother or something like that. I did.
But yeah, to be honest, I've blocked so much of
that stuff out smart you know, which I think is smart? Right?
And that and that I think we could tell men
that any thinkers listening right now, you have difficult feelings,
you have difficult thoughts if you don't know what to
do with it, kind of stuff it down and push
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it to the sun, make it into something else. But yes,
ultimately like it makes you feel negative, scared, not confident,
block it out, act like it didn't happen. Have you
ever seen one of those car crushing They turn it
into a cube and then they throw it away and
you never see it again. That's what you do to
your trauma. Turn it into a cutrush your trauma, crush
your trauma, cubit, cubit, toss it. And those cubes look
really cool. They're really cool. You can take something ugly
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and make it beautiful, like an old car. Yes, smush
it into a cube. Now it's yours. And the same
thing with memories or something that someone did to really
hurt you. The bigger the trauma, the bigger the kid
of the cube, right, I mean, that'd be beautiful on
a man't Oh my god, I say that's something that
happened to me. It's a cute. It doesn't bother me
any personal right. It's like, instead of hanging art on
my walls, I hang my trauma. My kide cares about art.
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I had to say. Art is so stupid. It's like
some guy painted some naked lady and the ladies aren't
even hot. They're not single naked ladies back in the Renaissance.
It's like, why something. I think they're sick or their
skin is so white. Yeah, it's get some sun. It's palless.
I mean you're pretty white, so am I Yeah, but
I wouldn't get naked painting of me and put it
up in a museum, right, you wouldn't put an artist
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through that. That's now your careating liberals have to see
you and paint your naked is going to traumatize them.
Well if that's if he needed a cube after seeing
me naked, I would do it that you do it
because I would do it to hurt the lip got it.
I want to see those liberal tears. And also, guys,
you your terrat cubes hurt the regressive leaf exactly because
the regressive life wants you to face your trauma. They love, Oh,
(07:24):
let's talk about it. So yeah, yeah, you're exactly right.
You know, why do I cube? Why do I block
out my experiences? You know it's probably some old trauma
or something that I I mean, yeah, you do it.
That's a safety mechanism, right, exactly. You know, I can't
blame my nervous system for never allowing me to rest,
because it's just trying to keep me safe, right, you know,
it's it's a friend, right at that point, just stay up,
Stay up, because you've been in unsafe situations before. If anything,
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I think my nervousness right, and I think that's a
huge thing right now. Is that a lot of liberals
they fight their nervous systems, right, they so no, go
into it, And I say, thank your nervous system. It
makes you scared. It's trying to help you. It's being
a good friend. You live your life very fearfully, but
that's work for you because you let fear you exactly.
I mean, a man thinkers, yes, it did, and I'm
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safe here. I'm arguably I'm the safest person I know
because I'm still alive. And I can't say that for
everyone else, right, I mean, think about all the people
who have died. Most human beings that have existed are dead.
And I'm not right. Thus I am safer than a
lot of people. I'm actually think about Abraham Lincoln. I
wasn't keeping himself safe and he died going out, and
Danny died. He got because of it. I got murdered.
And the most dangerous death, even people who die in
their old age of you know, like, oh they're ninety five,
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it's dangerous. Why are you so unsafe? Why did you
get to ninety five? Don't Why did you expose yourself
exactly to old age? What's wrong with you? I mean
we learned from doctor Sinclair you don't have to get old.
You don't have to get old. Just you know, drink
a bunch of tea is kind of what I took
a Coke zero, I think, and then a lot of
coke zero zero, And just like Cooke zero, Okay, Coca
cola has a following, but coke zero not big enough.
At coke underscores zero. Also at man thinkers. We could
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use a follow two zero go for us too. Well.
You know what's interesting is that you say it in sleep,
but I want to know what you did do because
you look great well, and I feel really good because,
you know, instead of going into the dark depths of
my mind with some kind of nightmare, which would typically
happen it happens to most people out there, I instead
use that time that I normally would be sleeping to
be productive. Interesting. I went online, Okay, I got into
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a nice little Twitter feud that was really fun. And
you're great at those. I'm fantastic at those, and it's
really good to do late at night. Yeah, you know,
because you're not thinking as hard and you're just going
for it, right, exactly. And I realized I was being
so much more productive because I wasn't sleeping. That's interesting.
So it was the lack of sleep that led to
your productivity, is what you're saying, right, Because I had
so much more time on my hand, That's exactly. I mean. Imagine, thinkers,
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if you had a full twenty four hours to do
the things you wanted to do, you could get so
much more done. And that brings us to today's big question.
Do all women wish they were their own fecescure aunts?
Would children be safer if everyone's stopped having Zegio Biden
be the first ghost press. Washing your hands actually bad
for fire? Aunted house is so scary? Is sleep fake? Gosh?
(09:58):
You know that's really interesting. Take Danny's sleep fake, I mean,
because it really got me thinking, do I even need
to sleep at all? You mean, like ever? Think about it.
I did so much work all at night, and then
I was up the next day hound and coffee, right,
and I'm good to go, just like I would be
had I slept. Interesting, let me ask you a question,
how do you feel when you wake up in the morning?
Like absolute shit? Exactly? Because when you wake up you're tired,
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and then at the end of the day say, oh god,
I gotta get back I gotta get back to sleep.
That's just because you were sleeping in the first place.
It's a cyclical addiction. You get to sleep, you wake up,
the body just wants more sleep. Right, But what if
you didn't sleep at all? You might not ever get tired. Actually,
because I don't think you're willing your body. Hey, we
need sleep, You're actually we don't need that. We don't
need it. I'm not a victim. And think about how
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vulnerable you are when you actually sleep. God, that's you're
the most vulnerable you've ever been. People could kill you exactly,
you know, or someone could poke you. Yeah, make funny
you draw, you know, like a little penis or something
on your face. I mean that seemed like that's probably
happened to you. I'm just saying that can have sure, Yeah, okay,
that can't. People could kill you, and people can draw
very real stickpenis, right yea with its sharply on your
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face and you don't know it right when you wake up.
That's specific I think is pulling from your real life.
That's a cube, just saying, well, that's a cube. That's
a trauma cube for Trump. Smash it right. I don't
think it happened to me because I don't remember it.
If it did happen, it's it's been long been cube.
You know. Jeez, this is really good stuff. Dan, You're
really opening my eyes to a lot here, and I'm
sure for our thinkers as well, which is what we
want to do on our show. That's what we're trying
to do because we're starting to wake up to the
(11:23):
fact that sleep is not a real thing. Right. It's
being imposed on us by big medical, big farm of
big parents and all of that is under the umbrella
of big sleep. Big sleep. Now that's an interesting concept.
You know, we've never considered the motivations of big sleep before.
I mean, think about how much money you spend a
year on sleeping. It's it's one of the most expensive shamas.
Pajamas are you got my mattresses, mats beds, and you
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buy a new mattress every year. I wear yeah, sleeping
sleep aggressively. I wear that thing out like a husk
because you're sleeping a third of the day. Of trying
to wear it out. Anything that you would be doing
eight hours a day is going to get worn out
by the end of the year. Of course, they got
to dump that thing. Now you're picking up people to
haul it off, right. Those things are pricey. And then
pajamas you know you need the shirt, you need the pants,
you need the cap. Well you wear all you got
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a cap, that's a shirt, you got the pants, you
got the slippers, you got a candle so you could
see where are we like to fucking I'm just saying
these are things that they recommend that you buy. That's
like what old men wear in like medieval England. That's
what they want you to wear I walk it. I
will say that. I know pajamas are a major expense
for a lot of thinkers out there, but I'm just
saying you shouldn't. I mean, it would be good, probably
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not even to buy regular clothes. For the most part.
You know we've talked about this. You're talking about walking
around naked all the time. Well, I'm saying yeah, for
the most part, I'm saying, look, you want to save
some money. Why do you need shirt and pants? How
about you get a big shirt? Yeah, let it hang
sort of a Winnie the Pooh. Look, yes, see that
would help you in your sexual harassment cases, Dan, because
then you could say I was just I was just
doing the Winning the Pooh. I don't know why you think, Yeah,
why didn't he get ready full exposure? Why does Winny
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the pood get away? And then they said, well, because
he says such an innocent minus. I said, wow, Actually,
it's because he's a freaking liberal bear. That's freaking liberal
cuck bear. He's a cuck christ for Robbins a cook
kidding me. I think they say it in the movie.
Oh yeah, he says. I think that's time there was
a cuting Christopher Robins. Yeah, anyway, what could we be
doing with all those extra hours at night instead of sleep? Oh,
I don't know, educating ourselves consuming man thinker's content. Absolutely,
(13:13):
you should be listening to our episodes over and over
because I have heard from me that when you listen
to it multiple times, you're getting things that you didn't
get the first It's like anytime you consume a great
piece of content, there's so much there, And with our podcast, totally, guys,
there is so much there, right, you know, it's not
just what we're saying, right, it's not just what you're hearing.
There's more, and you should just listen to it more
(13:33):
and more and you'll pick up on for example, in
justin today's episode, yes, we've established sleep is fake, and
all the thinkers like, oh, that's what this segments about.
But also, did you catch the fact that Dan just
admitted that he did expose himself to all of those
women in the office, right and evidence? But but yes,
But what I'm saying is I didn't know, right, because
when the Pooh does it all the time, mister judge,
Winnie the Pooh, he's great, he's a great character. I
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love Winnie. I hate Christopher Robbins. But I love Winnie.
He's well rotting it off, she's letting it all hang
out a chill. Can we just say, Christopher Robbins is
a piece of which she's been doing there? He doesn't
live in the wood. Shut up, go back home. Yeah,
freaking bear the little pig and freaking Or is a
donkeys is yours? A donkey Piglet is the little pig
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and the two candor animals are cool. The human in
that story there's no personality, Christopher Robbins. Yeah, but I don't.
I don't care animals. Animals are stupid too. Animals are dumb.
But the ones that wear just T shirts, that's cool.
They're cool, man. You know, I would say that's consistent.
Animals that wear a little bit of clothes Mickey Mouse, yep,
Donald Duck, oh yeah, a little bit close to touch cloth,
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just a touch to be like I'm with you, just
a garment touch. And I think all those characters are conservative.
They have to be. They have to be because for
the confidence to not be fully clothed, you have to
be concerned and to say I want to be a
part of this society. Yes, I want to put on
nice red pair of shorts yep, and some big shoes yep.
So I think about that. You know what we could
be doing. We could be listening to man thickers, getting
our content, doing research on our own. You know, we
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wouldn't be doing You wouldn't be seeing the world through dreams,
you know, as you wish it was. You would be
seeing the world as it actually, as it actually thinkers
want it to be, through the YouTube videos and through
our content. And why because you wouldn't be dreaming, you'd
be thinking. You're not dreaming about the right, you would
be seeing real women with real, normal breasts. Right, That's
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how you know you're in reality? Are you constantly kind
of daydreaming about women with the big breast? I'm saying
when your dreams, your dreams say controlled because you go
to sleep, you're under whatever kind of liberal intoxication, sleep
is sure, and you're imagining, Oh, the world could be
so peaceful, Oh, look at those big boobies. I feel
like you have a lot of dreams about sort of
motherly women with massive breasts. They're sort of nourishing you
with their breast milk. Because that am I hitting the
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nail on the head there I'm not going to say
you're not not hitting it, but I think that's a
very normal dream because again it's under that liberal guys.
It's like being in the matrix. And also it's probably
something you didn't receive as a child and you need it,
and so that's why that's maybe where your hatred of
women come from. Is your mother neglected you. And that's right.
You're Cuban at Cuban, at your cuban right as you
say it. It's just gone right now, give me a cuban,
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Give me a Cuban, Mark Cuban, Mark Cuban. I mean,
I feel like we all just had a huge breakthrough
right here because of you. Did. Dan laid it out
for us. Sleep is fake, fake, guys, Good stuff. Robert
Lawrence Stein a k A. R. L Stein is an
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author and producer, best known for his extremely popular children's
horror book series Goosebumps. R. L. Stein. Welcome to Man Thinkers.
Thank you very much. I guess it's nice to be here. Well,
it is. That's just to put it in your head
right away. It definitely is. It's an honor. It's an
honor for you to be here with us. And I
gotta say, you know, can I call you Bob? I
think you might? Everyone else does. Fantastic Now, Bob, I
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recently learned that Goosebumps as a series was the best
selling book or book series, second only to Harry Potter
of all time. Is that correct? Yes? Wow, I'm number two.
One was Harry Potter two spoose Bumps. Oh yeah, I'm second.
How about that? That's pretty impressive, Bob. I gotta say so,
you know, not to pride, it's not our business, but
(17:11):
you gotta be loaded. Yeah, I mean, you must have
made so much money, like it was at some point,
at some point. What happened? I don't know. Oh shoot, okay.
I don't think it was cocaine. I'm not sure. Okay,
but if it was, you would get the best quality stuff. Yeah.
I don't know from that really, Okay? Got it? I
built a big swimming pool that took a lot of
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money just out in the middle of nowhere or for you?
Oh okay, that makes more sense. I was thinking you
just built a You know, I hate talking about money. Money, right,
we don't care about the money, We're not. I know. Well, Well,
let me ask you one money question, and it's not
necessarily about you having it or not having it. But
were you focused on trying to make money or were
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you just focused on writing the best spooky books you
could write? Well? You know, I when I was a kid,
my family was incredibly poor, seriously lived three doors from
the railroad tracks. I had to wear my cousin's hand
me down clothes to school. You know, I never really
knew much about money, right, And so when Goosebumps took
off in fear Street started really selling, you know, it
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was a thrill, but it's never something that was first
in my mind, right, And I think that's the keys
he did because here Dan is so focused on making money,
but he doesn't have any because he keeps failing, and
I keep telling him, stop focusing on making the money,
just focus on doing something really well making money. What
if I made money really well? But you're not right.
I wrote for twenty years and no one noticed. Just
(18:38):
early made a living for twenty years. But you know
I loved writing. That's all I've done since I was
nine years old, So I kept going for twenty years
and without much money. Who were some of your favorite writers, Bob?
Who were writers that you looked up to when you
were coming up and doing your thing. Well. The science
fiction writer Ray Bradberry was a real hero of mine.
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He actually turned me into a reader. When I was
a kid, I didn't read books. I only read comic books. Right.
There were these great horror comics, tales from the Crypt,
the Vold Horror. When I was a kid and I
didn't read books. And one day I grew up in Columbus, Ohio.
One day my mother dropped me off at the library
and the librarian was waiting for me, and she said, Bobby,
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I know you like comic books. I'm going to show
you something else I think you will like. And she
took me to a shelf of Ray Bradberry stories. And
those stories just changed my life. I really liked the
I like the book Burning in Fahrenheit four or fifty one.
I thought that was a good idea. You like that,
I thought, you know, get rid of some of those books.
You're heading back to those days, which is great. You know,
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we're going right to where he Ray Bradberry predicted. So
it's like, hey, he was right, Yeah, that's nice. But
the stories were so creative and so imaginative, and all
I had great twist ending. Well, you're kind of one
of the I would say you were known for your
twists and turns. I remember as a kid reading goose Bumps,
and first of all, two things. Number one, you always
left a bit of a cliffhanger at the end of chapters.
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And number two, for the much chapters were short, which
I think was a great marketing campaign, because well, the
Bible does that too, Bible, are you talking about the
Bibles along? The chapters are very short though, Yeah, but
that's like a sentence. I'm talking about, like something would
happen in goose Bumps and you read four or five pages,
six pages, and as a kid, you'd be like, hey,
I'm accomplished. I read a chapter today, right, and get
you to keep reading with that intentional Bob, That's exactly
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the point, very smart, exactly what it is. Real short chapters,
no vocabulary words, no hard words, right to read, and
a cliffhanger at the end of every chapter. It's always
what happens next. It's sort of you're like the original Netflix.
I mean, that's like what's streaming, That's what I've been
television shows. Yeah, I always say the original Netflix. The
original Netflix is going to be on the show today, Right,
(20:48):
that's funny. No one ever said that before. That's a
good reason for people to be listening to this interview
is that the Man Thinkers called R. L Stein the
original Netflix first. That's something you only get here. You know,
James Patterson sells more books and any adult author. It's
exactly what he does, short chapters, cliffhanger ending. Before you
wrote horror, you wrote comedy books. Is that correct? Yeah?
I did joke about one hundred joke books for kids,
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and I did a comedy magazine for kids for ten years.
I never planned to be scary. I always wanted to
be funny. But my comedy career kind of ended with COVID. Well,
I think comedy ended with COVID, don't you Absolutely you
can't say anything anymore. Everything closed. Now they're throwing guys
like me on a podcast, and let's be honest, Bob,
I deserve it. They're at the main stage. You know,
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everybody knows it. But you're an elder now, you're an
elder statesman, you know, so that gives you the right
to say what's wrong with kids today? So you know,
what would you say? What's going on with the kids today,
what's wrong with them? That's not anything I ever talk about,
really talk about what's wrong with kids? Nothing? So you
think the kids are white? Good? Yeah, I like kids.
I wouldn't be doing this. I'm still here. Oh yeah,
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I'm seventy nine years old. Wow, I'm still writing for
ten year olds. I wouldn't do it if I didn't
like kids. Do you think the ten year olds have
changed over time, Bob? Like? Do you think these young
these current not at all in terms of what they
find scary, what you're allowed to write about. They're smarter,
they're they're more in tune with things, they know a
lot more. Wow, this goes against everything that I've heard.
(22:13):
Your fears never changed. The fears are always the same, Right,
Goosebumps could have been written when I was a kid
in the fifties, because the fears all the same. Afraid
of the dark, afraid of getting lost, right, Afraid there's
a ghost, there's someone under the bed, or in Dan's case,
you know, afraid that you'll never be loved, Afraid that
no one will ever partner up with you because you're
such a horrendous person. Those sorts of fears are universal,
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subjecting that for in Cells around the World. Well, you
know I read that you would think of the titles
before you think of the story. Is that true? Always? So?
Can I give you some titles and maybe you'll tell
me what you think the story is about. I can
use all the help I can get. Okay, here's the title,
Sicko Freak. What do you think of that? What do
you think that should be about? Your life? Keep going?
So next, I got a next. Well those aren't good, kid,
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how about one based off your life Dan, the boy
who was never loved? How about that? That sounds too sad,
And that's not true. It's true, and it is said,
I do spend my life thinking of titles. Let's say
I have an idea for a book and I can't
think of the title. I throw out the idea. Oh wow,
here's a title that I really loved and no one
would let me use. Speaking of your title, Sure, the
title is Morons for Mars, and morons is just too
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I handed it in. That's a great Goosebumps title. It's fantastic.
And the editor said, I'm sorry, you can't do that.
You'll offend the morons. That's a shame of morons. Well,
the morons are a strong community. They have a voice too. Yeah,
you're in the morons. No, I would just say that
I speak on behalf of everyone. And you know that's
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a could be considered an insulting word. Now, these morons
for Mars, Bob, in your mind, did they come to
Earth and then they just act moronic and they just
sort of disrupt things because they're so stupid. They accidentally
come to Earth right, and they don't wannything about earths
morons because they can't do anything right and they don't
know how they get home. It sounds exactly like you, Dan,
it doesn't. But um, Bob, let me ask you this.
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If you were alone in a room finally with your
arch nemesis, Stephen King, what would you say to him?
What would you do and be honest and be honest?
What would you say? He's your enemy? Is he not?
I mean, he's right, it makes sense, he's oh, he's not.
Authors aren't competitive, they're not. Authors don't know authors. Very
few authors will feud with another author. Authors are very
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supportive of each other, of each other. I met Stephen
King once, and I met him at an Edgar Awards dinner.
You know, the Mystery writers banquet. Right, of course, we
had a nice talk. I have great admiration for him,
and you knows right, let's just be honest. In the day,
you've sold more books, so you're like, who's this chump?
You can say whatever he wants. Here, budge, here's a
here's one hundred bucks. Have a good day. I've sold more.
(24:50):
But I was very alarmed. He's younger than me. I'm
sorry to hear that. Yeah, that's I hate that. Of
course I hate anyone younger than me. That's why I
was surprised. You said you like kids here, I hate.
I hate these authors who come into school and they
have an assembly and they say to the kids, right
what you know, right from your heart, always right from
your heart. Those kids will never write another word because
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kids are heartless. I have written three hundred and fifty books. Wow,
not a single word from my heart? Why not? Because
you're all written to entertain people. They're not from my heart.
So what do you do for your heart? Nothing? What
do you mean? What what should I do? I don't know.
I'm asking. I'm asking you. You're you're my elder. I
thought you're gonna give me some advice. Some medical advice.
(25:34):
I don't know, it just as something that you do
to make yourself happy. Well, I just I didn't know
why why do I enjoy it so much? Well? That's
I think that's interesting, though, Bob, because I do think
you know, first of all, you say, right, what you know?
You're talking to kids? Don't know anything? You know? I
should just be a critical rays exactly, you know, right,
what's in your imagination? Is that fair to say? Bob? Yeah? Right?
Don't write from your heart? Yeah? What does that even mean?
(25:55):
You know, I don't want to make less political, but
let's just you know, the woke left in the whole
hearts bleeding hearts thing. I mean, come on, guys, yeah
you want to do that, Write a little poem and
keep it to yourself? Shut up. But something I always
appreciate it about the characters in Goosebumps. The names of
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the monsters. I mean, how do you come up with
such creepy and horrifying character names like Curly the Skeleton
and Slappy the Dummy. My favorite is King Jelly Jam.
That's fantastic, really, that is that is my favorite? Moms disturbing.
Do you prefer Fear Street over Goosebumps or Goosebumps over
Fear Street. No, I like killing off teenagers. Sure, who does?
I mean the stop? Hollywoods made a lot of money
(26:38):
off that. Goosebumps is my favorite. Seven to ten year old.
Seven to eleven year old is the best audience in
the world. Why would anyone write for adults? They're awful people.
They're terrible. Seven to eleven year old, I get them
the last time in their lives. They'll ever be enthusiastic.
They turn twelve, they discover sex. They have to be cool.
They're lost, They're gone. That's it. Seven to eleven they
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love authors. They want to read you, they want to
meet you, they want to they want to buy everything. Bob,
please don't take offense in this. I have to ask
anyone who works with children this, Are you a sicko?
Are you messed up in the head? Yeah? Not so far? Okay, okay,
Well we'll keep an eye so we need to know.
That's great, But I just want to make sure you're
on the level. You've thought deeply about death and darkness
your whole life. So I'm curious. You know, what is
(27:21):
the best way for a man to die? Right? Question?
I don't know. I had the worst way. I was
in the hospital last week when you made it through.
The worst way is to die. Okay, So don't go
to the hospital. Yeah right, okay, right, avoid it at
all too. You're gonna die. Don't go to the hospital.
Yeah good, I don't know. I don't think that question
has many possibilities, George. Oh, okay, well you know something,
(27:43):
I think, what do you think I would personally? If
I think the end is near, I would like to
drink a whole bunch of ayahuasca and just let the
last couple of days just be a beautiful trip where
I am just surfing human consciousness into my end. That
would be That would be jumping off the burs Khalifa. No,
I don't want I don't want to do it my stuff.
I don't think you should take it off. Well, I
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don't want to be murdered. No. No, you want to
sit back and die and you don't want to do
a physical activity. That's what I always say, Bob, sit
back and die. Now that's a title. There's a title
for you. That's actually a great isn't it a great
time to sit back and die? I think you should
write that Dan, Yeah, sick, sit back and Die. I
actually had a title very similar, sit back and Go
to Dead was what my original was. But sick back
(28:26):
and die by Back and go to Dead, that doesn't
even make a working title. Bob, what's next for you?
I know there's the Fear Street movies now on Netflix.
I'm hoping for some Warfare Street movies on Netflix. You
and me, Boff. You know I'm doing horror comics for adults,
are you really? The comics are called Stuff of Nightmares
and they're like old fashioned horror comics. I did four
of them and they're best sellers. They're doing really well.
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I'm gonna do a couple Stuff of Nightmares graphic novels
this year. Oh that's awesome. Yeah, that's really like comic
books and it all comes full circle. Yeah, you know, Bob,
you're so pro lift pick all these different projects. I
gotta ask, do you have any health tips, because I mean,
you must have a lot of energy health STIPs. I
just got out of the hospital, I just got out
of sitting here. Got tips health tips from me? Okay,
(29:12):
but the longevity I might be the last person to ask. Okay, okay,
well I just figured you Look, we couldn't get anyone
else on the show, So don't say that. Okay, cut
that part out, all right, we'll cut that out. Don't
answer that. Sorry, Yeah, it wasn't even question. It's just
more like an insulting statement. You know, I can remember
I one of my health tips is I never drink water. Wow,
that seems a water fast one thing that's helped me. Okay,
(29:36):
so I'm gonna he's wrong. Here's wrong. And take away.
Don't go if you feel like you're sick, don't go
to the hospital. Stop carrying water. Where you stop drinking water.
And if you got money, build a pool there you
go and that's where the water, that's where the water goes,
goes in the pool and douse it with chlorine and
that's all you need. That's the tips from R. L. Stein.
And don't write what you know or what you like. Yeah,
right right, what's gonna sell right for the cash? Is
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that a good legacy? I'm starting to I feel like
my words have been twisted. Well, that's probably fault, I
don't think so. I'm starting sudden. We have this feeling
of regret. I have that often. Yeah, no worries, but
you know, what's good is once you do it a
bunch of times, it starts to go away after a while.
If you just fill your life with regret and you
(30:17):
start to not notice, it can only everything. Yeah, you
know so much. This is a good place to start.
That's a good point. There you go. Well, Bob, this
has been fantastic. Thank you so much for being on
Man Thinkers. Yeah, anytime, anytime he did regret it, He
did regret it. Yeah, he did regret it. That was
sort of his parting words. Yeah. So um. But you
(30:39):
know what, some you can't win them all. And sometimes
guests are gonna wish they didn't spend time with us,
And that's okay, it's natural. That is only natural, especially
when you're talking to us because we are asking the
tough questions. I mean, I have to say I have
similar eating habits as he does. It's right, lots of soda,
not a lot of water, because you're not supposed to
according to arl Stein. And you know, I wonder if
arl Stein sleeps at all. You know, we talked about
(31:01):
sleep is fake earlier in this episode. Is the guy
exactly to write that many Arnold Stein hasn't slept in
years let's just be honest about that. You stop from
all that diet coast jacked up from Monster energy drinks.
And then he doesn't enjoy anything, he said, he doesn't
enjoy anything. He just writes. And he doesn't write because
he likes it. He writes for other people. If you
want to be the best, yeah, don't do what you like,
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do it from your heart. Just do a thing, and
do it a bunch of time, just keep doing it,
and eventually people be like, all right, here's money, shut up,
shut up, I guess this is still leave us alone.
And that's what Arl perfected that. And you know, we
could take a lot of life lessons from Robert Lawrence,
really really beautiful, thoughtful, and it is a beautiful man
from us. And the only reason he regretted it is
because it was It was tough, full questions, and we
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got the truth. We got the truth out of him,
and we got the truth out of you thinkers, which
is sleep is fake. Don't sleep, don't do anything that
your heart tells you to do. Don't don't drink water,
do not and until next time, keep thinking, keep thinking,
Dan, you want to tell our listeners a little bit
about today's show. Well, guys, we got a great show
coming up today. We're going to talk to a really
skinny guy and a really fat guy. Awesome. See if
they agree on stuff, or they disagree, maybe they'll get
into a fight. It could be really interesting. We might
throw him in the studio together and just lock the
door slock the doors, see what happens. We'll kind of
narrate the whole thing. It's like rooster fights. He talk. Oh, actually, Dan,
I'm just seeing the skinny guy. He canceled last minute,
(00:22):
so I know the fact guy. Now, what do we
need with just a fat guy? I don't know. Should
we just tell him to go home? I don't want
to just talk to a fat guy. Yeah, I don't
want to just talk to the fat guy. Him against
skinny guys kind of no point? Yeah, um, all right,
Well guys, we don't actually know who's gonna be on
the show today. Our fat guy. He's coming. He's probably late. Yeah,
of course makes sense. Skinny guys are unreliable. They are
unreliable because guys are always late, but they show up.
(00:43):
They show up. You know, we're not going to talk
to him. Though, Guys, when we come back, we'll tell
you who's on the show, because we're not sure because
we're gonna get canceled in the fact. Guy, no way,
we're talking to him alone. You're listening to the Man
Thinkers podcast, a show that forge is a new roadmap
for the modern and had a best lived life. I'm
George Collins, a former liberal cuple and I'm Dan Finkelstein,
(01:05):
a staunch libertarian in cell. This is a safe space
from safe spaces, you know, Dan, I am over the weekend.
I had a past life regression. Really yeah, what is that? Oh,
so you don't know. I was hypnotized by a professional
hypnotist and it took me back because I wanted to
see my past life. So he so this person, So
(01:25):
this woman, this woman, Yes, she's Charlatan. No, she's not Charlottan.
She ask her. She's a hypnosis she's a hypocrite. No, no no, no,
she's a hiotic therapist. I don't know what the technical
term is. But she put me into hypnosis and then
she took me back to my previous life. And what
was it. I was a really strong warrior. I was
the chief of my tribe in a South American before
(01:45):
you went in and just said, no, that's what happened. No,
I dropped into my body and boom. I was hunting
right away. I was holding a spear. I was looking
for like a boar type animal. I was very strong.
I was there. I had a past life regression. M Yeah,
I was king and I saw you there. You were
there do you were? And you were in my and
you were begging what I was king of the land
and you were begging for help, And I said, sacrifice
(02:05):
this guy and a bunch of my employees they killed
you for fun, employees and called employees. Yeah, that's well,
I believe you. You have to believe me. I'll believe you.
But you you so you got regressed by a professional
or how did you get regressed? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it
was a professional. Where'd you go? I did online? Okay,
you don't know what you're talking about. You're just full
of shit. Okay, So what did you was when I
was back leading my tribe, which, by the way, I
was a noble leader. Everybody? Oh really, you were a
(02:27):
noble leader a coward? No, I did you didn't just
say that you were noble? But no, one believed you
you were a medicine woman, and you tried to give
me some sort of weird concoction ever told me was
going to help me hunt, but actually it made my
nervous system twitch and I knew. Okay, so you had
bad intentions. And you know what, Dan, I could have
banished you, and I chose not to. I could have
even killed you because the thing I did you allow you. Instead,
(02:49):
I said, have mercy on this woman. She is nothing
but a fuck up. And the tribe said, shame on you,
but we won't kill you. And so you lived out
the rest of your life. You were gorgeous. Really, you're
a beautiful, beautiful woman, all right, I like this beautiful
well you, but you were you were deceptive. That's okay, Well,
survival of the fittest. It doesn't matter what you look like.
At the end of the day, your heart was cold
and dark. That's it doesn't bother me at all saying
that recognized you, because as soon as I saw the
(03:10):
medicine woman, I said, oh, that's damp, because I said
she's not trustworthy. That's damp. That's fine. And also, Dan,
you know, take no medicine woman. You were a woman
in a past life, and maybe this should be that's
why women don't like me now, or maybe it could
be very catty women. That's not what my point was.
My point was maybe you should have more empathy for
the opposite gender because you've been a woman before, and
you haven't been a good one. I'll tell you that. Okay,
I'm trying to be you were a bad person. Okay,
(03:31):
I'm trying. I'm trying to be more empathy. I had
a lot of debts to pay. Yeah, no, it's not working.
You know. I love this woman though, I'd love to
meet her. If you could draw a picture of her,
I mean I can't. She was just really just beautiful, long,
dark olive green eyes, but not trustworthy, very deceptive, just
like you. But yeah, you should check it out. You
should come to a real regression. No, okay, one of
(03:52):
your fantastic Bob Stein is here r L R L stump,
mister goosebumps. He is the goosiest house. I was just
afraid talking to him. He scared the crap out of him. Yeah,
I didn't like he was acting like a nice guy. Yeah,
which was difficult. Yeah, because he's a sick of well,
I don't know about that. I mean, he was written
hundreds of scary books. So why that doesn't make you sick?
(04:13):
Yes it does. Why who else has done that in
the history of the world. Stephen Kings written a bunch
of scary book he's a sick? Oh he's not, as
he is? Why get him on the show. I'd love
to talk to mister King. Well, we can't. We can't
find out whether he is a sick or or not
if he's not on the show. So we then have
to lean towards he is a sicker. You know we
should do We should get Arnold Stein and Stephen King
in the same room, lock him in and just see
what happened, See who comes out, who comes out alive?
(04:34):
That would be great. Yeah, well thinkers, stay tuned for that.
But first, you know, we have something we need to
talk about here. Well, it happened again. It happened again.
Oh yeah, I didn't sleep at all last night because
you had another night terror. Yeah, every night I get
night terrorsts. I have daytime terrorists to it, and on
daytime tears. What is that? Basically like you're having a
nightmare but during the day, so sort of when you
blank you could see kind of a vision and you're,
(04:56):
you know, jostled awake, sort of a way, generally terrified
all day with a daytime terror, It's more just that
I'm generally terrified throughout the day, God, which is very normal.
It's it's actually a very normal condition for a man
to have. Sure, it's not nothing to be ashamed of
it now, a coward or you know, no, no, no, no,
I think just a normal man, a coward would see
the things that he's terrified and run. But I think
(05:17):
as as you're just terrified of life in general, I
think that's where a lot of it comes from. And
these are things, these are traumas that I've experienced from
my past. So I can't I have no control over that. Okay,
no matter what you do, and you're sleeping life, you're
waking life, you can't escape here, cannot escaped. I mean
that's rough, Dan, you know, I'm sorry to hear that.
I mean, why do you think terror follows you wherever
you go? Why would terror follow me personally? Well, you know,
(05:38):
it probably has something to do with a traumatic episode
I experienced as a child or something. You know, you're
perpetually afraid of your grandmother or something like that. I did.
But yeah, to be honest, I've blocked so much of
that stuff out smart you know, which I think is smart? Right?
And that and that I think we could tell men
that any thinkers listening right now, you have difficult feelings,
you have difficult thoughts if you don't know what to
do with it, kind of stuff it down and push
(06:00):
it to the sun, make it into something else. But yes,
ultimately like it makes you feel negative, scared, not confident,
block it out, act like it didn't happen. Have you
ever seen one of those car crushing They turn it
into a cube and then they throw it away and
you never see it again. That's what you do to
your trauma. Turn it into a cutrush your trauma, crush
your trauma, cubit, cubit, toss it. And those cubes look
really cool. They're really cool. You can take something ugly
(06:21):
and make it beautiful, like an old car. Yes, smush
it into a cube. Now it's yours. And the same
thing with memories or something that someone did to really
hurt you. The bigger the trauma, the bigger the kid
of the cube, right, I mean, that'd be beautiful on
a man't Oh my god, I say that's something that
happened to me. It's a cute. It doesn't bother me
any personal right. It's like, instead of hanging art on
my walls, I hang my trauma. My kide cares about art.
(06:42):
I had to say. Art is so stupid. It's like
some guy painted some naked lady and the ladies aren't
even hot. They're not single naked ladies back in the Renaissance.
It's like, why something. I think they're sick or their
skin is so white. Yeah, it's get some sun. It's palless.
I mean you're pretty white, so am I Yeah, but
I wouldn't get naked painting of me and put it
up in a museum, right, you wouldn't put an artist
(07:03):
through that. That's now your careating liberals have to see
you and paint your naked is going to traumatize them.
Well if that's if he needed a cube after seeing
me naked, I would do it that you do it
because I would do it to hurt the lip got it.
I want to see those liberal tears. And also, guys,
you your terrat cubes hurt the regressive leaf exactly because
the regressive life wants you to face your trauma. They love, Oh,
(07:24):
let's talk about it. So yeah, yeah, you're exactly right.
You know, why do I cube? Why do I block
out my experiences? You know it's probably some old trauma
or something that I I mean, yeah, you do it.
That's a safety mechanism, right, exactly. You know, I can't
blame my nervous system for never allowing me to rest,
because it's just trying to keep me safe, right, you know,
it's it's a friend, right at that point, just stay up,
Stay up, because you've been in unsafe situations before. If anything,
(07:46):
I think my nervousness right, and I think that's a
huge thing right now. Is that a lot of liberals
they fight their nervous systems, right, they so no, go
into it, And I say, thank your nervous system. It
makes you scared. It's trying to help you. It's being
a good friend. You live your life very fearfully, but
that's work for you because you let fear you exactly.
I mean, a man thinkers, yes, it did, and I'm
(08:07):
safe here. I'm arguably I'm the safest person I know
because I'm still alive. And I can't say that for
everyone else, right, I mean, think about all the people
who have died. Most human beings that have existed are dead.
And I'm not right. Thus I am safer than a
lot of people. I'm actually think about Abraham Lincoln. I
wasn't keeping himself safe and he died going out, and
Danny died. He got because of it. I got murdered.
And the most dangerous death, even people who die in
their old age of you know, like, oh they're ninety five,
(08:29):
it's dangerous. Why are you so unsafe? Why did you
get to ninety five? Don't Why did you expose yourself
exactly to old age? What's wrong with you? I mean
we learned from doctor Sinclair you don't have to get old.
You don't have to get old. Just you know, drink
a bunch of tea is kind of what I took
a Coke zero, I think, and then a lot of
coke zero zero, And just like Cooke zero, Okay, Coca
cola has a following, but coke zero not big enough.
At coke underscores zero. Also at man thinkers. We could
(08:53):
use a follow two zero go for us too. Well.
You know what's interesting is that you say it in sleep,
but I want to know what you did do because
you look great well, and I feel really good because,
you know, instead of going into the dark depths of
my mind with some kind of nightmare, which would typically
happen it happens to most people out there, I instead
use that time that I normally would be sleeping to
be productive. Interesting. I went online, Okay, I got into
(09:15):
a nice little Twitter feud that was really fun. And
you're great at those. I'm fantastic at those, and it's
really good to do late at night. Yeah, you know,
because you're not thinking as hard and you're just going
for it, right, exactly. And I realized I was being
so much more productive because I wasn't sleeping. That's interesting.
So it was the lack of sleep that led to
your productivity, is what you're saying, right, Because I had
so much more time on my hand, That's exactly. I mean. Imagine, thinkers,
(09:37):
if you had a full twenty four hours to do
the things you wanted to do, you could get so
much more done. And that brings us to today's big question.
Do all women wish they were their own fecescure aunts?
Would children be safer if everyone's stopped having Zegio Biden
be the first ghost press. Washing your hands actually bad
for fire? Aunted house is so scary? Is sleep fake? Gosh?
(09:58):
You know that's really interesting. Take Danny's sleep fake, I mean,
because it really got me thinking, do I even need
to sleep at all? You mean, like ever? Think about it.
I did so much work all at night, and then
I was up the next day hound and coffee, right,
and I'm good to go, just like I would be
had I slept. Interesting, let me ask you a question,
how do you feel when you wake up in the morning?
Like absolute shit? Exactly? Because when you wake up you're tired,
(10:20):
and then at the end of the day say, oh god,
I gotta get back I gotta get back to sleep.
That's just because you were sleeping in the first place.
It's a cyclical addiction. You get to sleep, you wake up,
the body just wants more sleep. Right, But what if
you didn't sleep at all? You might not ever get tired. Actually,
because I don't think you're willing your body. Hey, we
need sleep, You're actually we don't need that. We don't
need it. I'm not a victim. And think about how
(10:40):
vulnerable you are when you actually sleep. God, that's you're
the most vulnerable you've ever been. People could kill you exactly,
you know, or someone could poke you. Yeah, make funny
you draw, you know, like a little penis or something
on your face. I mean that seemed like that's probably
happened to you. I'm just saying that can have sure, Yeah, okay,
that can't. People could kill you, and people can draw
very real stickpenis, right yea with its sharply on your
(11:02):
face and you don't know it right when you wake up.
That's specific I think is pulling from your real life.
That's a cube, just saying, well, that's a cube. That's
a trauma cube for Trump. Smash it right. I don't
think it happened to me because I don't remember it.
If it did happen, it's it's been long been cube.
You know. Jeez, this is really good stuff. Dan, You're
really opening my eyes to a lot here, and I'm
sure for our thinkers as well, which is what we
want to do on our show. That's what we're trying
to do because we're starting to wake up to the
(11:23):
fact that sleep is not a real thing. Right. It's
being imposed on us by big medical, big farm of
big parents and all of that is under the umbrella
of big sleep. Big sleep. Now that's an interesting concept.
You know, we've never considered the motivations of big sleep before.
I mean, think about how much money you spend a
year on sleeping. It's it's one of the most expensive shamas.
Pajamas are you got my mattresses, mats beds, and you
(11:47):
buy a new mattress every year. I wear yeah, sleeping
sleep aggressively. I wear that thing out like a husk
because you're sleeping a third of the day. Of trying
to wear it out. Anything that you would be doing
eight hours a day is going to get worn out
by the end of the year. Of course, they got
to dump that thing. Now you're picking up people to
haul it off, right. Those things are pricey. And then
pajamas you know you need the shirt, you need the pants,
you need the cap. Well you wear all you got
(12:09):
a cap, that's a shirt, you got the pants, you
got the slippers, you got a candle so you could
see where are we like to fucking I'm just saying
these are things that they recommend that you buy. That's
like what old men wear in like medieval England. That's
what they want you to wear I walk it. I
will say that. I know pajamas are a major expense
for a lot of thinkers out there, but I'm just
saying you shouldn't. I mean, it would be good, probably
(12:30):
not even to buy regular clothes. For the most part.
You know we've talked about this. You're talking about walking
around naked all the time. Well, I'm saying yeah, for
the most part, I'm saying, look, you want to save
some money. Why do you need shirt and pants? How
about you get a big shirt? Yeah, let it hang
sort of a Winnie the Pooh. Look, yes, see that
would help you in your sexual harassment cases, Dan, because
then you could say I was just I was just
doing the Winning the Pooh. I don't know why you think, Yeah,
why didn't he get ready full exposure? Why does Winny
(12:52):
the pood get away? And then they said, well, because
he says such an innocent minus. I said, wow, Actually,
it's because he's a freaking liberal bear. That's freaking liberal
cuck bear. He's a cuck christ for Robbins a cook
kidding me. I think they say it in the movie.
Oh yeah, he says. I think that's time there was
a cuting Christopher Robins. Yeah, anyway, what could we be
doing with all those extra hours at night instead of sleep? Oh,
I don't know, educating ourselves consuming man thinker's content. Absolutely,
(13:13):
you should be listening to our episodes over and over
because I have heard from me that when you listen
to it multiple times, you're getting things that you didn't
get the first It's like anytime you consume a great
piece of content, there's so much there, And with our podcast, totally, guys,
there is so much there, right, you know, it's not
just what we're saying, right, it's not just what you're hearing.
There's more, and you should just listen to it more
(13:33):
and more and you'll pick up on for example, in
justin today's episode, yes, we've established sleep is fake, and
all the thinkers like, oh, that's what this segments about.
But also, did you catch the fact that Dan just
admitted that he did expose himself to all of those
women in the office, right and evidence? But but yes,
But what I'm saying is I didn't know, right, because
when the Pooh does it all the time, mister judge,
Winnie the Pooh, he's great, he's a great character. I
(13:54):
love Winnie. I hate Christopher Robbins. But I love Winnie.
He's well rotting it off, she's letting it all hang
out a chill. Can we just say, Christopher Robbins is
a piece of which she's been doing there? He doesn't
live in the wood. Shut up, go back home. Yeah,
freaking bear the little pig and freaking Or is a
donkeys is yours? A donkey Piglet is the little pig
(14:17):
and the two candor animals are cool. The human in
that story there's no personality, Christopher Robbins. Yeah, but I don't.
I don't care animals. Animals are stupid too. Animals are dumb.
But the ones that wear just T shirts, that's cool.
They're cool, man. You know, I would say that's consistent.
Animals that wear a little bit of clothes Mickey Mouse, yep,
Donald Duck, oh yeah, a little bit close to touch cloth,
(14:37):
just a touch to be like I'm with you, just
a garment touch. And I think all those characters are conservative.
They have to be. They have to be because for
the confidence to not be fully clothed, you have to
be concerned and to say I want to be a
part of this society. Yes, I want to put on
nice red pair of shorts yep, and some big shoes yep.
So I think about that. You know what we could
be doing. We could be listening to man thickers, getting
our content, doing research on our own. You know, we
(15:00):
wouldn't be doing You wouldn't be seeing the world through dreams,
you know, as you wish it was. You would be
seeing the world as it actually, as it actually thinkers
want it to be, through the YouTube videos and through
our content. And why because you wouldn't be dreaming, you'd
be thinking. You're not dreaming about the right, you would
be seeing real women with real, normal breasts. Right, That's
(15:24):
how you know you're in reality? Are you constantly kind
of daydreaming about women with the big breast? I'm saying
when your dreams, your dreams say controlled because you go
to sleep, you're under whatever kind of liberal intoxication, sleep
is sure, and you're imagining, Oh, the world could be
so peaceful, Oh, look at those big boobies. I feel
like you have a lot of dreams about sort of
motherly women with massive breasts. They're sort of nourishing you
with their breast milk. Because that am I hitting the
(15:45):
nail on the head there I'm not going to say
you're not not hitting it, but I think that's a
very normal dream because again it's under that liberal guys.
It's like being in the matrix. And also it's probably
something you didn't receive as a child and you need it,
and so that's why that's maybe where your hatred of
women come from. Is your mother neglected you. And that's right.
You're Cuban at Cuban, at your cuban right as you
say it. It's just gone right now, give me a cuban,
(16:06):
Give me a Cuban, Mark Cuban, Mark Cuban. I mean,
I feel like we all just had a huge breakthrough
right here because of you. Did. Dan laid it out
for us. Sleep is fake, fake, guys, Good stuff. Robert
Lawrence Stein a k A. R. L Stein is an
(16:28):
author and producer, best known for his extremely popular children's
horror book series Goosebumps. R. L. Stein. Welcome to Man Thinkers.
Thank you very much. I guess it's nice to be here. Well,
it is. That's just to put it in your head
right away. It definitely is. It's an honor. It's an
honor for you to be here with us. And I
gotta say, you know, can I call you Bob? I
think you might? Everyone else does. Fantastic Now, Bob, I
(16:51):
recently learned that Goosebumps as a series was the best
selling book or book series, second only to Harry Potter
of all time. Is that correct? Yes? Wow, I'm number two.
One was Harry Potter two spoose Bumps. Oh yeah, I'm second.
How about that? That's pretty impressive, Bob. I gotta say so,
you know, not to pride, it's not our business, but
(17:11):
you gotta be loaded. Yeah, I mean, you must have
made so much money, like it was at some point,
at some point. What happened? I don't know. Oh shoot, okay.
I don't think it was cocaine. I'm not sure. Okay,
but if it was, you would get the best quality stuff. Yeah.
I don't know from that really, Okay? Got it? I
built a big swimming pool that took a lot of
(17:33):
money just out in the middle of nowhere or for you?
Oh okay, that makes more sense. I was thinking you
just built a You know, I hate talking about money. Money, right,
we don't care about the money, We're not. I know. Well, Well,
let me ask you one money question, and it's not
necessarily about you having it or not having it. But
were you focused on trying to make money or were
(17:54):
you just focused on writing the best spooky books you
could write? Well? You know, I when I was a kid,
my family was incredibly poor, seriously lived three doors from
the railroad tracks. I had to wear my cousin's hand
me down clothes to school. You know, I never really
knew much about money, right, And so when Goosebumps took
off in fear Street started really selling, you know, it
(18:16):
was a thrill, but it's never something that was first
in my mind, right, And I think that's the keys
he did because here Dan is so focused on making money,
but he doesn't have any because he keeps failing, and
I keep telling him, stop focusing on making the money,
just focus on doing something really well making money. What
if I made money really well? But you're not right.
I wrote for twenty years and no one noticed. Just
(18:38):
early made a living for twenty years. But you know
I loved writing. That's all I've done since I was
nine years old, So I kept going for twenty years
and without much money. Who were some of your favorite writers, Bob?
Who were writers that you looked up to when you
were coming up and doing your thing. Well. The science
fiction writer Ray Bradberry was a real hero of mine.
(18:59):
He actually turned me into a reader. When I was
a kid, I didn't read books. I only read comic books. Right.
There were these great horror comics, tales from the Crypt,
the Vold Horror. When I was a kid and I
didn't read books. And one day I grew up in Columbus, Ohio.
One day my mother dropped me off at the library
and the librarian was waiting for me, and she said, Bobby,
(19:20):
I know you like comic books. I'm going to show
you something else I think you will like. And she
took me to a shelf of Ray Bradberry stories. And
those stories just changed my life. I really liked the
I like the book Burning in Fahrenheit four or fifty one.
I thought that was a good idea. You like that,
I thought, you know, get rid of some of those books.
You're heading back to those days, which is great. You know,
(19:43):
we're going right to where he Ray Bradberry predicted. So
it's like, hey, he was right, Yeah, that's nice. But
the stories were so creative and so imaginative, and all
I had great twist ending. Well, you're kind of one
of the I would say you were known for your
twists and turns. I remember as a kid reading goose Bumps,
and first of all, two things. Number one, you always
left a bit of a cliffhanger at the end of chapters.
(20:04):
And number two, for the much chapters were short, which
I think was a great marketing campaign, because well, the
Bible does that too, Bible, are you talking about the
Bibles along? The chapters are very short though, Yeah, but
that's like a sentence. I'm talking about, like something would
happen in goose Bumps and you read four or five pages,
six pages, and as a kid, you'd be like, hey,
I'm accomplished. I read a chapter today, right, and get
you to keep reading with that intentional Bob, That's exactly
(20:26):
the point, very smart, exactly what it is. Real short chapters,
no vocabulary words, no hard words, right to read, and
a cliffhanger at the end of every chapter. It's always
what happens next. It's sort of you're like the original Netflix.
I mean, that's like what's streaming, That's what I've been
television shows. Yeah, I always say the original Netflix. The
original Netflix is going to be on the show today, Right,
(20:48):
that's funny. No one ever said that before. That's a
good reason for people to be listening to this interview
is that the Man Thinkers called R. L Stein the
original Netflix first. That's something you only get here. You know,
James Patterson sells more books and any adult author. It's
exactly what he does, short chapters, cliffhanger ending. Before you
wrote horror, you wrote comedy books. Is that correct? Yeah?
I did joke about one hundred joke books for kids,
(21:10):
and I did a comedy magazine for kids for ten years.
I never planned to be scary. I always wanted to
be funny. But my comedy career kind of ended with COVID. Well,
I think comedy ended with COVID, don't you Absolutely you
can't say anything anymore. Everything closed. Now they're throwing guys
like me on a podcast, and let's be honest, Bob,
I deserve it. They're at the main stage. You know,
(21:30):
everybody knows it. But you're an elder now, you're an
elder statesman, you know, so that gives you the right
to say what's wrong with kids today? So you know,
what would you say? What's going on with the kids today,
what's wrong with them? That's not anything I ever talk about,
really talk about what's wrong with kids? Nothing? So you
think the kids are white? Good? Yeah, I like kids.
I wouldn't be doing this. I'm still here. Oh yeah,
(21:52):
I'm seventy nine years old. Wow, I'm still writing for
ten year olds. I wouldn't do it if I didn't
like kids. Do you think the ten year olds have
changed over time, Bob? Like? Do you think these young
these current not at all in terms of what they
find scary, what you're allowed to write about. They're smarter,
they're they're more in tune with things, they know a
lot more. Wow, this goes against everything that I've heard.
(22:13):
Your fears never changed. The fears are always the same, Right,
Goosebumps could have been written when I was a kid
in the fifties, because the fears all the same. Afraid
of the dark, afraid of getting lost, right, Afraid there's
a ghost, there's someone under the bed, or in Dan's case,
you know, afraid that you'll never be loved, Afraid that
no one will ever partner up with you because you're
such a horrendous person. Those sorts of fears are universal,
(22:35):
subjecting that for in Cells around the World. Well, you
know I read that you would think of the titles
before you think of the story. Is that true? Always? So?
Can I give you some titles and maybe you'll tell
me what you think the story is about. I can
use all the help I can get. Okay, here's the title,
Sicko Freak. What do you think of that? What do
you think that should be about? Your life? Keep going?
So next, I got a next. Well those aren't good, kid,
(23:00):
how about one based off your life Dan, the boy
who was never loved? How about that? That sounds too sad,
And that's not true. It's true, and it is said,
I do spend my life thinking of titles. Let's say
I have an idea for a book and I can't
think of the title. I throw out the idea. Oh wow,
here's a title that I really loved and no one
would let me use. Speaking of your title, Sure, the
title is Morons for Mars, and morons is just too
(23:25):
I handed it in. That's a great Goosebumps title. It's fantastic.
And the editor said, I'm sorry, you can't do that.
You'll offend the morons. That's a shame of morons. Well,
the morons are a strong community. They have a voice too. Yeah,
you're in the morons. No, I would just say that
I speak on behalf of everyone. And you know that's
(23:46):
a could be considered an insulting word. Now, these morons
for Mars, Bob, in your mind, did they come to
Earth and then they just act moronic and they just
sort of disrupt things because they're so stupid. They accidentally
come to Earth right, and they don't wannything about earths
morons because they can't do anything right and they don't
know how they get home. It sounds exactly like you, Dan,
it doesn't. But um, Bob, let me ask you this.
(24:08):
If you were alone in a room finally with your
arch nemesis, Stephen King, what would you say to him?
What would you do and be honest and be honest?
What would you say? He's your enemy? Is he not?
I mean, he's right, it makes sense, he's oh, he's not.
Authors aren't competitive, they're not. Authors don't know authors. Very
few authors will feud with another author. Authors are very
(24:29):
supportive of each other, of each other. I met Stephen
King once, and I met him at an Edgar Awards dinner.
You know, the Mystery writers banquet. Right, of course, we
had a nice talk. I have great admiration for him,
and you knows right, let's just be honest. In the day,
you've sold more books, so you're like, who's this chump?
You can say whatever he wants. Here, budge, here's a
here's one hundred bucks. Have a good day. I've sold more.
(24:50):
But I was very alarmed. He's younger than me. I'm
sorry to hear that. Yeah, that's I hate that. Of
course I hate anyone younger than me. That's why I
was surprised. You said you like kids here, I hate.
I hate these authors who come into school and they
have an assembly and they say to the kids, right
what you know, right from your heart, always right from
your heart. Those kids will never write another word because
(25:13):
kids are heartless. I have written three hundred and fifty books. Wow,
not a single word from my heart? Why not? Because
you're all written to entertain people. They're not from my heart.
So what do you do for your heart? Nothing? What
do you mean? What what should I do? I don't know.
I'm asking. I'm asking you. You're you're my elder. I
thought you're gonna give me some advice. Some medical advice.
(25:34):
I don't know, it just as something that you do
to make yourself happy. Well, I just I didn't know
why why do I enjoy it so much? Well? That's
I think that's interesting, though, Bob, because I do think
you know, first of all, you say, right, what you know?
You're talking to kids? Don't know anything? You know? I
should just be a critical rays exactly, you know, right,
what's in your imagination? Is that fair to say? Bob? Yeah? Right?
Don't write from your heart? Yeah? What does that even mean?
(25:55):
You know, I don't want to make less political, but
let's just you know, the woke left in the whole
hearts bleeding hearts thing. I mean, come on, guys, yeah
you want to do that, Write a little poem and
keep it to yourself? Shut up. But something I always
appreciate it about the characters in Goosebumps. The names of
(26:16):
the monsters. I mean, how do you come up with
such creepy and horrifying character names like Curly the Skeleton
and Slappy the Dummy. My favorite is King Jelly Jam.
That's fantastic, really, that is that is my favorite? Moms disturbing.
Do you prefer Fear Street over Goosebumps or Goosebumps over
Fear Street. No, I like killing off teenagers. Sure, who does?
I mean the stop? Hollywoods made a lot of money
(26:38):
off that. Goosebumps is my favorite. Seven to ten year old.
Seven to eleven year old is the best audience in
the world. Why would anyone write for adults? They're awful people.
They're terrible. Seven to eleven year old, I get them
the last time in their lives. They'll ever be enthusiastic.
They turn twelve, they discover sex. They have to be cool.
They're lost, They're gone. That's it. Seven to eleven they
(27:01):
love authors. They want to read you, they want to
meet you, they want to they want to buy everything. Bob,
please don't take offense in this. I have to ask
anyone who works with children this, Are you a sicko?
Are you messed up in the head? Yeah? Not so far? Okay, okay,
Well we'll keep an eye so we need to know.
That's great, But I just want to make sure you're
on the level. You've thought deeply about death and darkness
your whole life. So I'm curious. You know, what is
(27:21):
the best way for a man to die? Right? Question?
I don't know. I had the worst way. I was
in the hospital last week when you made it through.
The worst way is to die. Okay, So don't go
to the hospital. Yeah right, okay, right, avoid it at
all too. You're gonna die. Don't go to the hospital.
Yeah good, I don't know. I don't think that question
has many possibilities, George. Oh, okay, well you know something,
(27:43):
I think, what do you think I would personally? If
I think the end is near, I would like to
drink a whole bunch of ayahuasca and just let the
last couple of days just be a beautiful trip where
I am just surfing human consciousness into my end. That
would be That would be jumping off the burs Khalifa. No,
I don't want I don't want to do it my stuff.
I don't think you should take it off. Well, I
(28:03):
don't want to be murdered. No. No, you want to
sit back and die and you don't want to do
a physical activity. That's what I always say, Bob, sit
back and die. Now that's a title. There's a title
for you. That's actually a great isn't it a great
time to sit back and die? I think you should
write that Dan, Yeah, sick, sit back and Die. I
actually had a title very similar, sit back and Go
to Dead was what my original was. But sick back
(28:26):
and die by Back and go to Dead, that doesn't
even make a working title. Bob, what's next for you?
I know there's the Fear Street movies now on Netflix.
I'm hoping for some Warfare Street movies on Netflix. You
and me, Boff. You know I'm doing horror comics for adults,
are you really? The comics are called Stuff of Nightmares
and they're like old fashioned horror comics. I did four
of them and they're best sellers. They're doing really well.
(28:49):
I'm gonna do a couple Stuff of Nightmares graphic novels
this year. Oh that's awesome. Yeah, that's really like comic
books and it all comes full circle. Yeah, you know, Bob,
you're so pro lift pick all these different projects. I
gotta ask, do you have any health tips, because I mean,
you must have a lot of energy health STIPs. I
just got out of the hospital, I just got out
of sitting here. Got tips health tips from me? Okay,
(29:12):
but the longevity I might be the last person to ask. Okay, okay,
well I just figured you Look, we couldn't get anyone
else on the show, So don't say that. Okay, cut
that part out, all right, we'll cut that out. Don't
answer that. Sorry, Yeah, it wasn't even question. It's just
more like an insulting statement. You know, I can remember
I one of my health tips is I never drink water. Wow,
that seems a water fast one thing that's helped me. Okay,
(29:36):
so I'm gonna he's wrong. Here's wrong. And take away.
Don't go if you feel like you're sick, don't go
to the hospital. Stop carrying water. Where you stop drinking water.
And if you got money, build a pool there you
go and that's where the water, that's where the water goes,
goes in the pool and douse it with chlorine and
that's all you need. That's the tips from R. L. Stein.
And don't write what you know or what you like. Yeah,
right right, what's gonna sell right for the cash? Is
(29:56):
that a good legacy? I'm starting to I feel like
my words have been twisted. Well, that's probably fault, I
don't think so. I'm starting sudden. We have this feeling
of regret. I have that often. Yeah, no worries, but
you know, what's good is once you do it a
bunch of times, it starts to go away after a while.
If you just fill your life with regret and you
(30:17):
start to not notice, it can only everything. Yeah, you
know so much. This is a good place to start.
That's a good point. There you go. Well, Bob, this
has been fantastic. Thank you so much for being on
Man Thinkers. Yeah, anytime, anytime he did regret it, He
did regret it. Yeah, he did regret it. That was
sort of his parting words. Yeah. So um. But you
(30:39):
know what, some you can't win them all. And sometimes
guests are gonna wish they didn't spend time with us,
And that's okay, it's natural. That is only natural, especially
when you're talking to us because we are asking the
tough questions. I mean, I have to say I have
similar eating habits as he does. It's right, lots of soda,
not a lot of water, because you're not supposed to
according to arl Stein. And you know, I wonder if
arl Stein sleeps at all. You know, we talked about
(31:01):
sleep is fake earlier in this episode. Is the guy
exactly to write that many Arnold Stein hasn't slept in
years let's just be honest about that. You stop from
all that diet coast jacked up from Monster energy drinks.
And then he doesn't enjoy anything, he said, he doesn't
enjoy anything. He just writes. And he doesn't write because
he likes it. He writes for other people. If you
want to be the best, yeah, don't do what you like,
(31:21):
do it from your heart. Just do a thing, and
do it a bunch of time, just keep doing it,
and eventually people be like, all right, here's money, shut up,
shut up, I guess this is still leave us alone.
And that's what Arl perfected that. And you know, we
could take a lot of life lessons from Robert Lawrence,
really really beautiful, thoughtful, and it is a beautiful man
from us. And the only reason he regretted it is
because it was It was tough, full questions, and we
(31:43):
got the truth. We got the truth out of him,
and we got the truth out of you thinkers, which
is sleep is fake. Don't sleep, don't do anything that
your heart tells you to do. Don't don't drink water,
do not and until next time, keep thinking, keep thinking,
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