April 13, 2023 • 33 mins
The Thinkers discuss how Ron DeSantis needs to get indicted if he wants to raise his poll numbers. Then, George and Dan are joined by documentary filmmaker, podcaster, and UFO journalist, Payne Lindsey, to discuss sex with aliens.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wait. Sorry, I'm sorry, sir, you're We just have to
wait for George to get in here and then then
we could start the show. Sir, what are you talking about?
Your face? I'm George, clearly, I'm George. What are you
talking about? You know, I'm George Jase. You look rail thin. Yeah,
I lost fifteen pounds, but your face, you look you
look like my grandfather. The hell happened to you? Had
you lose this kind of weight? Ozempic? Are you looking
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in the mirror? I don't have any mirrors in my home,
you know that. I think they're portals to another dimension.
I don't trust mirrors. Well, I know, because you're on
mushroom so often that you can't look at them. Well, George,
you look seventy five years old. No, you know. One
of the side effects of a zempic is that your face.
You know, you lose so much weight that your face
kind of becomes hollowed out and you look old. You
look insane. You look like an old crone. No, no, you,
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I mean I did. Someone did tell me that I
look like, you know, like I had some filter on
my face on TikTok or something that makes you look
like an old man, but I thought they were just
crazy and just kind of jealous because I looked so thin. Stop.
I can't even stand looking at you. No, so scary
azempic face, which is just like a face of a
youthful man like you just look so thin and good
that you have a zempic face. That's what it means. No,
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it's not. You really should just quickly look up what
it means, and then you would easily disprove what you
just said. I'm worried about looking in the mirror now
because I don't want to. I don't want to see
what you see if it is in fact true. Because
I love my body. My body minus my head feels fantastic.
I will admit I do feel a little. Your body
looks fantastic. I have to say and thank you for
being man enough to admit that your face looks like
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a joke and it's crazy. But someone might like that,
so maybe I'm like heroin chic. Then that's okay, oh
zepic chic, you know, because now people ever went so proud.
You know, Hey I'm fat, I'm proud of it. For
some reason, you could say, hey, I'm hideous because I
look like an old bag. Then I'm proud of it. Well,
that's what I'm saying is you know you look at
models these days. I mean I was slipping through the
Sports Illustrated the other day and they had these plus
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size models. Plus I want to exactly, thank you, Dan.
Like I want to see skinny people, I want to
see good looking people. And it's siguriously if you want
to diversify it in terms of the body type, well
get an zepic face in there. Someone is lean and
mean and looks seventy eight years old on the face.
That would be diverse to me is if some one
had an ozempic face. Because I that's okay. You're so
obsessed with representation, Well then let's represent someone with those
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epic faces. And George, you know what, if you don't
even like your face, guess what, you get a facelift.
That's what we have in this country. You have options. Okay,
you got the options. You want to facelift or you
don't want to facelift. It's a great option. You're listening
to The Man Thinkers podcast, a show that forges a
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lived life. I'm George Collins, former liberal cut bole and
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I'm Dan Finkelstein, a staunch libertarian in cell we think,
so you don't have to. You know what else is disgusting?
The New York DA Alvin Bragg going after Trump for
some I don't even know hush money money? What's wrong
with hush money money? Can't be a type of hush
I didn't read into it. I don't need to because
I know exactly you don't. Don't read the stuff, don't
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read anything because you know it's a croc stop reading.
Trump has been able to not only raise a ton
of money since this indictment, but in addition, he has
taken the lead in the polls over his rival Ron
De Santis. You know, the more you try to hurt
this guy, the more he's going to thrive. I mean,
and that that's just a fact. And we see that
in the numbers. Okay, So he's indicted now, which means
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what he's no longer you know, dited. Now he's gone
from dibted to indicted and means is yes, so what
is indicted? When you get indicted? Everyone knows this, you know.
And again, I went to law school. I'm an expert.
That was twice. That's like one of the first questions
on the law school test. What is indictment? And it's
been a little while, um since I was there, but
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what I remember for indictment is, you know, you're at
the courthouse, and I think things get sealed unsealed. So
there was like an envelope and they maybe they gave
it to Trump or something, and he so the process,
what's kind of the process of going from diicted in
direct that's where it gets murged. Well, and that's where
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and I think it's meant to be. I think that's
part of the it's always meant to be a little murky.
That's part of the law. That's how the law works.
It's just the gears low gears of justice. There is
something gets unsealed, a document, Trump some sort of has it.
Now he has the document indictment, and so that therefore
is indictment. He's in on the diet. He's been as well.
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He's indicted to it. He's indoctrinated in the indictment. So
he and Alvin Bragg are in agreement in regards to thedictment.
And until he it's really just a conversation. It's just
a conversation. And that's what we're doing here. Our show
is essentially an indictment, an indictment, and guess what, it's
only helped this, It's only helped Trump. He's only gotten
bigger or stronger. He's doing in a superpower. And that
actually is my big question for today. Do all women
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wish they were their own feces cure aunted? Would children
be safer if everyone's stopped having sechio Biden will be
the first ghost press washing your hands actually bad for wire?
Aunt House is so scary. Is Ronda Santis going to
have to be indicted for a crime in order to
get his poll numbers up? Should I? Well, that's an
interesting question, Dan, that's really interesting, and it's really well
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phrased because, as you know, should I rephrase it because
indicted right in order to when the president catch up
to Trump? Yes? Because what we're seeing right now, Dan,
and I know you've seen this and when I was liberal,
is the harder you go at these conservatives, you know,
the more legal troubles they have, the more scandals there are,
the more their numbers go because they're right right, and
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liberals are glue. And also, can we just point out
the fact that this man is literally getting called out
for doing what having sex. That's cool, the beautiful pornography actress.
I mean, that is the cool dream, and that worries me.
The guy's aw about De Santis is I don't think
he's had sex with a porn star. I worry would
hurt De Santis if a sex tape of his god out,
Whereas with Trump it's because it would be so boring,
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so boring, Whereas Trump's would be passed him and his wife,
his powerful cock going inside Stormy Daniels, powerful powerful cock.
Trump being cock. I mean, you know, his cock looks
just like him, sort of a beast and orange. It's
just an interesting tan. It's just interesting. And that's the
problem with De Santas. He doesn't have that same level
of interest. I mean, what crimes is Desanta's even going
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to commit get a couple of traffic tickets. That wouldn't hurt,
but that's not going to have It wouldn't hurt, but
it's not going to do the deed. I mean, when
you're competing with somebody as corrupt as Donald Trump, you
got to bring the heat when it comes to yours.
I mean, I just don't know what Ron can do
at this point to show he's as big of a
badass as Trump. Maybe. And this is interesting, Dan, I'll
get your thoughts on this, because Trump had sex. When
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When did Trump have sex with Stormy Daniels? When did
his powerful cock make in a previous to twenty sixteen,
previous to the election. It was years, it may have
been a decade before. And he paid off that playboy
model and McDougall. See Trump is hanging out and paying
for sex with these beauts, just smart rather than people.
I don't have to be nice to this woman. I
don't have to talk to her, try to woo her.
All I gotta do is offer some cash and she'll
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do it. And also, he knows that there's no part
of my personality, there's no part of my body, my
physical look. There's no way that I'm going to convince
this woman to have sex with me unless I pay
her a lot of money. And that's when you know
you've got a t in the house. A man who
has to pay for sex in order to get how
much it's worth, but has enough money to do it
and pay These top notch people are starting to see
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the writing on the wall. DeSantis doesn't have the cash
to get his wiener inside the porn actress, playboy model.
What have you an interesting, Dan that you chose to
use the word wiener with Ronda Santis versus cock with
Donald Trump, because that's how we think of these two men.
Donald Trump has a cock, Ronda Santis has a little
slimsy that looks like a guy. I mean, all penises
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kind of look like Florida. But still all right, Obviously
DeSantis and his wiener that he's not going to come
up with a controversy that's going to rival Donald Trump.
But what are some other type of controversies that Ronda
santist can maybe get involved. What really frustrates me right
now is that I have traveled with my own funds
to the Florida Statehouse to talk to de Santis and
his team. They have not allowed me inside. They have
not heard me out, even though every day I suggest
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Ronda Santis choke a celebrity, any kind of celebrity to
death on camera to yeah, well, that's I mean to
you want you you would be advocating for murder? Then
that feels wouldn't that because it isn't murder murder is
the original sin. Everything kind of comes back to murder.
If run to Santas is indicted, and we all know
what that means, right, I gotta say he's going to
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be able to raise a lot of money. Um, you
know I can't condone murder. I think in any that's
the difference form I Right, I don't call it for violence.
You do, and I think that's murder. It's just one
murder is one murder. Violent murder is for these guys,
most violent acts. We're not voting for these guys to
be our religious leaders, right. I want the country to
be run right, like it's like a murderer. You want
the country to be run like a murderer. What does
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that mean? You mean like the brain of a murdering man.
So like a serial killer, psychopath. Like you know, people
say I want the country to be run like it.
I'm saying, you're saying you want the country to be
run a murderer, And I'm saying, start small, steal a car.
See how the public response. Then if it's positive, then
you can work your way up to cocaine. If that's going, well,
murder a guy, you know what I mean? Like you
can you can kind of take it instead. And I yeah,
I mean that's a good strategy. It's and it's going
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to help you against Trump. And I'm not picking and choosing,
you know, I like both guys. I think they have
both really great policies. I love Trump's policies. That's one
thing I've always loved about his policies. I mean, I
couldn't agree with you more. And and and I think
the Liberals will regret this. They're gonna regret every realize
months from now, a year from now. But yeah, of
course they're gonna say, oh god, we put all this
time and resources into trying to get this guy fromditted
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to indicted, and we did it on charges that were
flimsy anyway, and just highlighting the fact that he had
sex with these beautiful women. And it's like, okay, cool man,
lose the election. You just trying to enforce a law.
Why why just let him do it? That's what I say, Dan,
Let's be honest. We've committed crimes. We've committed crimes in
this show. We're trying to sell an unregistered security in
man coin. No one's coming after act or so that
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we know all they shouldn't because it's okay to do
a few crimes right. Everyone gets like three or four
before it's like a you get a mull again, You
get a mull again to right a right, I didn't wrong,
and do it again. But then you do it again,
you know tax In fact, I would say if I
if I meet a man or a woman out here
in the real world and they've never committed it, you
know they're lying. I don't trust them for a second.
You know that if someone says they never committed a crime,
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you know it's a lie. And Ron de Santis needs
to commit a curry fast and out and something gets
something on the books. It's hard to believe some of
the things that Trump has done, and he only helped
him in the polls. Can't wait for him to get
indicted in Georgia. Speaking in Georgia and speaking of things
that are hard to believe. Dan, we have just an
excellent guest on Today's Pretty excellent. Not because it's related
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to eggs in any way. It's actually related to aliens,
Payne Lindsay Fantastic Podcast. Lindsay. I some people would say
we could learn from him. I would say he could
learn from us in terms of podcasting, and I think
he thinks from us. I think we're going to talk
to him. He learned a few tactics. Got a new show,
High Strange. It's all about alien encounters, the truth behind it,
and it's it's really it's really well done. This guy
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knows how to make people listen just like we do.
So again, I think he could learn from us more
than we could live from him. But it's a really
good interview coming up. Before we get there, Dan, of course,
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Lindsay on the show Our Guest Today is a director,
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documentary filmmaker, and podcast host of the hit shows Up
and Vanished and Atlanta Monster. His new show, High Strange
is a limited UFO audio series that features firsthand accounts
of abductions and sightings, archival tape, and sheds light on
government secrecy. Payne Lindsay, thank you so much for being
on Man Thinkers, Thanks for having me. How are you doing?
(11:41):
We're doing well, Payne and we're excited to have you
on the show because we've been trying to get an
Aliens guy for a long time, and I think we
got the perfect Aliens guy. Now. I know you've said
before you don't want to be known as the UFO guy,
so I change it to Aliens guy. But can you
explain what exactly do you mean by that? What do
you mean by being labeled? Do you FO guy? And
why is that bad in your mind? I mean, you
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see the names, right, it's a it's kind of a
funny thing. It's it's a wild concept. So you have
this sort of left field, kind of space cadet vibe
with the UFO Alien guy. And uh, you know, some
people might not take you as seriously because that's what
you're labeled, or that's how you present yourself. You know,
there are some good, hard working American UFO guys, So
(12:24):
I take a little bit of an offense to that
of saying that, you know, some of these guys, some
of these alien guys, you know, they're hard working. They're
pulling themselves up by their bootstraps, so you know, just
remember that they're doing they're doing the real work. I mean, hey,
I'll give it to them. They at least laid the
foundation for me. So exactly, we owe a lot to
these guys. And you know, in discussing aliens on your show,
I just want to get this cleared off the bat
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for our listeners. Um, are you a crazy person? Yes? Yeah? Okay?
Because a crazy yeah, absolutely, okay, because that might mess
with your credibility, yeah, no it might. Yeah, And honestly,
a little advice even if you are crazy, it might
help you to say that you're not. You would think, right, right,
I mean, hey, I think we're all a little crazy,
so that's fair. And again that's fair. Yeah, if you're
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still alive today, you're crazy. You're a little bit nuts.
That's true. There was a lot of reasons to go
insane over the past a few years, like Joe Biden
sleepy Joe. Have the Aliens mentioned him at all? No,
they don't really care about him. Speaking of politics, is
there a party that is more shall we say, pro
alien or pro UFO Republicans Democrats or is this one
of those few issues that really kind of, you know,
reaches across the aisle. I mean, I think it does
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actually reach across the aisle, but it seems like just
from looking at the media and the news that it's
definitely a more popular Republican thing. I think that's probably
because of the notion that some people have on the
far right of anything that the government's hiding something from you.
And there's probably some truth to that in a lot
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of what they're saying, but I think that's the sexy
part of it. For someone on the far side of anything,
it is sexy. Thank you for calling it that. And
you know what, I bet there's a lot of people
on the far right that would say that the alien
and they're sexy. They're nude, they've got big heads and
big beautiful eyes, which is really nice because that's what
a lot of Hollywood actors have. So what's not to like.
I mean, I'm with you there, serious question about that,
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because I wanted, you know, I was going to work
my way into questions about alien sex. But in all honesty,
pain given all your research and your investigation, and I
listened to the first two episodes of High Strange excellent
podcasts everyone should listen to pay for, really really riveting.
Well I did you know you could have figured I
could listen to the first two well I'm just saying
the first two are phrase, So has anyone in your estimation?
Has a human being in an alien had sex? Oh?
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I mean I'd want to say yes, you know, I
like you gotta say it all the story specifically, but
that's not I have not had sex with an alien.
But okay, some people claim they have, so right do
we tell you them? I guess is the question? I
have not had sex with an alien, and nor have
I been abducted? Pain? And I was going to ask you,
I'm a little jealous because I am like, what is
it about these people who are getting abducted? What do
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they have that I don't have? So pain? Are you
seeing anything in your research? So it's like, oh, it's
this type of person or it's this type of situation.
How can I better the chances of being abducted myself?
I honestly don't know. I think that it's just a
wrong place, wrong time, or in this case, the right
place at the right time. George spends his summers wandering
around the south southwest, yeah, southwest, just in hopes of
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somebody picking him up. And he has been picked up,
but not by aliens, but by often murderous gangs, well
yourself in situations. Sure, but I'm still here to talk
about it. And that's that's what's important. I mean personally,
I believe that whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger,
and so being have you talked to anyone who has
had an abduction that's life has improved because of it
in their minds, because usually the stigma is, you know,
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you see aliens, they abduct you, and your life is ruined.
But what about has somebody walked away from that being like, hey,
I'm happier, man, I know about the aliens now I
talk to him. It doesn't seem like that. No, it
seems like like a definitive life ruiner, mostly because fucking
no one's gonna believe you. That's the thing, right, It's like, okay,
that's how I feel, and that would just make you
insane over the course of your life. A policy on
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our show believe everyone, and now that of course has
a little bit more to do with sexual harassment allegations,
is that you always believe when women say that they've
been harassed, but you also believe the men when they
say I didn't do it. So in this case, you know,
you believe the men and women who said that they've
been abducted by aliens, and then you believe the aliens
who said, hey, I've never been there. We'll see now.
But wait a minute, because everyone implies human being. So
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now we're extending this believe everyone policy. I think it
should be universally true. What's the point of having laws
if you're not going to have them on different planets.
I feel like this space is lawless. It has to
be right the Constitution. In my mind, it goes well
beyond the Solar system, manifest destiny for the entire Milky
Way galaxy, the right to bear arms. Do you think
the founding fathers were thinking about those aliens when they
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were signing that thing? That is a great question. Well,
that's why they have the little eye on the pyramid
on the money. Well, that brings us. That brings us
to an interesting question, pain because how far back you
know you start your podcast where like the first significant
incident is the Roswell incidents, I believe in nineteen forty seven.
But how far back could you have gone? Like, if
you wanted to start ancient Greece, could you have Absolutely? Yeah,
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it goes back as far as you could possibly go.
I mean, wow, these sightings if you actually look at
them and read them, you know, they're interpreted at the
time as you know, as a religious thing. It was
an angel, or it was you know, God or whatever
it was. But the way they they're describing them, it
sounds like it was a spaceship similar to what someone
would be claiming to have seen today on Twitter. It
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seems like the way we talk about UFOs and UFO
sightings has changed a lot in the last five years. Right,
it seemed like it was always fringe, and now you're
seeing kind of a change in narrative a little bit
in the mass media. You've got the New York Times
writing stories on it, You've got sixteen Minutes doing exposs,
You've got congressional hearings. So what is it that happened
in the last five years that kind of shifted the conversation.
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Is there a specific event or something or why has
there been a change or do you even agree that
there is a change. There's definitely a change. I think
it's a combination of a couple of things. I mean,
I think the younger generation just doesn't have as much
resistance to believing some thing, you know, not entirely proven
but possible scientifically. That coupled with credible people military pilots,
navy pilots coming forward with crazy and incredible stories of
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things that they claim defy the laws of physics, and
they're saying that they're not ours and they're not any
other governments in the world. You kind of tend to
want to believe those people. And so if you're open
to the idea that there's something else going on that
we don't maybe necessarily know entirely about yet, then you
would be more receptive at this point, and I think
a lot of people. I think a lot of people
are in my opinion, the most compelling evidence for UFOs
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is the fact that governments around the world have just
acknowledged that they're real, right, Like, governments have come out
and say like, yeah, there are these things. They don't
say they're aliens, but they say there's UFOs flying around.
We don't know what they are. And I think a
lot of people don't know that that that has literally
been admitted by various governments. Can you expand on that
a little bit, What is like the official stance of
the US government or governments around the world, and how
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do those stances change. Is there a difference between the
way we approach UFOs versus Europe and whatnot. The common
mis conception is that UFOs and aliens in America is
some like American folklore thing, right, you know, Area fifty
one and all this stuff and Roswell and it's just
kind of like our own thing. And if that was
the case, if there was no other country or no
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other military in the world talking about this seriously, then
that would just essentially prove that it's just some myth
urban legend here in America, American exceptionalism. But it's just
not true. It's it's every country in the world that
has a legit military intelligence wing has stories like this
and has accounts and has their own records. And I
think the other common misconception is that people think the
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government has all this information and they're hiding it from us.
And sure, they're definitely hiding some stuff, but I think
the bigger reality are more likely scenarios that they don't
know enough to tell you anything, and they don't want
to come out and say we don't know what this is.
No government for any country wants to come out and
say they don't know what something is because people some
people look at the government like they want to trust
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them with everything and they should know these things, and
I would just spook people. Let me, I see this paint.
You've interviewed so many people, and obviously you did some vetting, right,
you want to make sure these people are credible. Also
that just intuitively they feel credible to you. But you
must have interviewed some people that were just a little
batshit crazy, right. Can you tell us about somebody who
was just like, yeah, this guy or this gal, From
the moment I started talking to him, I knew they
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were just full shit. Yeah, there's definitely several people that
didn't make it into the show because you know, three
minutes into our conversation they're just saying stuff that and
also like shit, it could be true. They could be
totally telling the truth, but it's just it sounds so
unbelievable and it just sounds so kooky. Can you give
us any details on some of the bat shits, like,
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I mean what they stuff? Like people who claim that
they are in constant communication with extraterrestrials and they have names.
This lady presented to me like twenty different names of
people and people aliens and their physical descriptions and how
often they talk, and that she has some daughter and
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and some other you know planets. So she had sex.
Sounds very credible to me. And I'm like, you know what,
what's funny is that she could be actually telling the truth,
but it's just so out there that I know. Well,
were some of the names. I'm interested to know what
aliens are named? Sam Like, literally some of them were
like sounded like alien names. One of them was like
Steve or something like that. I was like, real, she
ran out of ideas. One of them was just a
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straight up like square. Maybe once they came down, you know,
they came down and they met some people, and they
met a Steve and said, hey, you know I could
be a Steve. I mean, in some ways, if you're
an alien name Steve, that's a flex because all your
cohorts are named like Slosh and Blourish, and then you're
Steve and you just stand out. It's like peacock in
the in a bar, you know, you know, yeah, it's
it could be badass on a different planet. Absolutely, And
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that's and that's a goal, you know, for our thinkers
out there who are saying, Hey, things are not going
great for me on this planet. You could be a
stud on another planet that let the aliens give you hope,
the coolest kid in the room somewhere else. Let me
ask you to pain Why the fuck are the aliens here? Like?
Why are they here? Let's just assume they're here, all right.
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I'm a believer like you. They're here. They're in our
skies there, nose diving into our oceans. Who knows what
they're up to? But what do you think? I mean,
you've talked to more people than anybody else. Why are
they here? And why don't they just say hi? Just
because they can be? There could be some deeper reason,
you know, but I think that there could also not
have to be of some amazing reason. Why do we
go to the Moon? The hell are we doing there?
Why are we trying to go to Mars hoping for
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gold and water? Because because we can? I buy that.
But I'm also like, if that's the reason, why don't
they just kind of like say hello? You know what
I mean? If there's so many, why don't we can't
they just kind of like the alien doesn't want to
get to know you, George? If they're this advanced, We're
just a little ant hill. They don't need anything from us,
They're just looking at us. Is it even anthropomorphic in
a way for us to believe that they have any
interest in us anyway? I mean, maybe they're interested in
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other things on Earth. It's a little stubborn and ignorant
to think that we're so cool. Well, I worry about
even thinking that aliens are so much more advanced than us.
I mean, we have look at the technology we have.
We've got Tesla's Teslas, Teslas the cybertruck coming out this year. Pain,
is it actually going to come out? Why you have
to push back on this? I mean, I hope it does.
I put in a pre order. I mean, here's the thing. Okay, fine, aliens,
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maybe you got a better car than we do, but
you don't have the thinkers that we do. You don't
have an Elon Musk. Who's the Elon Musk of the aliens.
I've never heard of them, so they can't be that special. Meanwhile,
we've got Elon he owns Twitter. Now that's awesome. That's
a flex in itself exactly what I'm very seeing. He says.
These aliens, they're not so great a business, and so
how could their society be that much more advanced than ours?
They've evolved so far that business doesn't really Now you
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don't have to actually answer that. Let me ask you
this pain. Why do they call him UAPs now? And
what does UAP stand for? Why not just the good
old fashioned UFO? Is it PC? Some PC nonsense? Yeah?
Is this woke? Is this the woke mob coming at us?
I hate the term. It's annoying. I think it's just
a way to distinguish because when you hear uf if
you just type in the words UFO, you're going to
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get a ton of conspiracy documentaries about aliens and you know,
just random insane stuff, and so has that kind of
connotation to it. UAP is like their military term, their
official sexier, buttoned up term for the same exact thing,
and it stands for unidentified aerial phenomena YEP. I mean,
I don't know, that's nonsense because also phenomena pH makes
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an f sound. But then you got the PEP. This
is just and that's what the problem is now with
you got these liberal people in charge of alien investigations.
All they're focused on is not offending people I don't
care about offending aliens. You shouldn't, thank you. If they're
abducting us, they clearly don't care about offending us either.
Thank you. Finally, someone I'm going to push back on that,
based on some of these encounters that Paying covers in
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his podcasts and some others that I've read about. I mean,
I don't want to piss off any alien. I'll tell
you that right now. If the aliens are listening to
our podcast, because you know they are, absolutely they want
to know how men think exactly. I am your friend.
I don't want to upset you. If you're listening, please
come take me. I'm good. Are you down? I'm down?
I mean, what are you terrified? Yes? What I maybe
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regret that immediately probably ought to be an opportunist. I'm like,
fuck it, take me. You know, recently the US government,
we are air Force or Navy pilots. I'm not sure
we shot down some you know, quote unquote balloons, right,
and some of which they still to this day haven't
come out and confirmed. Oh is this man made thing
kind of leaving it hanging in the air. But that
kind of disgruntled me and Dan because we're thinking these
are alien spacecraft, but they get shot down by F
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eighteen hornets. Like I thought these things were supposed to
be so high tech. How is it possible that some
of these spacecraft have you know, crashed or been shot
down or I mean that doesn't that just imply that
these aliens are stupid? I mean, I see the arguments.
I think that the only one that I really think
is suspicious is the one over Alaska that you know,
they don't have any pictures of. They have like four
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K photos from the cockpit of the other ones. They
don't have anything on this one. They claimed that they
couldn't recover it, which also is kind of not true,
you know, because there's a video of them at the site.
They got something right. I think that some of these
UFOs UAPs could just be some self like regenerating drone
that's like from so far away, from so long ago,
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that's just doing a thing. It doesn't even it's just
kind of serving no purpose anymore. It wasn't really like
trying to necessarily defend itself. We're using our most advanced machines.
Maybe this thing wasn't really designed to do anything like that.
What are your thoughts on this? Whole idea that you know,
the US government is trying to reverse engineer alien tech,
Like do you think governments have alien tech? Are we
working on it? Every important reliable person that I've talked to,
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as you know, spoke about the rumblings of their being
craft that's trying to be reverse engineered and has been
for a long time, even down to like where they
have it, Like there's like a hangar like in Nevada,
like in Vegas that like they're saying, most of these
things are we're talking on the strip, we're in Vega,
And I bet you they're just sitting there and they
have not been able to turn them on since like
nineteen sixty and they're still just tinkering with it, or
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they broke the damn thing by now, but it's sitting
there and they know definitively. The fact that they still
don't know what it is all these years later means
that it definitely wasn't a Russia or China. They don't
I don't think they know what to do with it yet.
So when people that tell you about about this, I mean,
who are these people, Like are these government officials former
government officials? Like how high up have you gotten to
mostly other like super credible reporters who speak to some
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of these people in the know, and it's just kind
of one of those things where you've heard it from
so many different people in places, and there's even sort of,
you know, evidence of that if you were to believe
ros will happen, then that was one of the first
cases of that in our history. It kind of jives
with the way that they treat it, that there's all
these things that we know, and the reality is that
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we don't know everything. And that's what we're afraid to
tell you, is that there's a lot of shit going
on in the universe and there's definitely some other entity
or intelligence out there, and we know jack shit about it.
That's what they're afraid to tell you. And do you
really think that would cause mass panic? Honestly, I don't
think so. I mean some people would get spooked. It
would definitely have some sort of effect on, you know,
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the stock market for a little bit. Like everyone's so
reactionary to everything anyways, so there would be at some
level of that. Also, what are we going to do
about it? Nothing? Right, It's not like we're in danger.
It's just like a new reality. It's just a new
fact that we learned. We've discovered a new animal in
the ocean. It's the same kind of idea. And are
you ever worried about aliens coming up from underneath the water?
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I mean some of their machines can go in and
out of the water pretty easily, which I guess would
make sense if you were trying to hide. It's like cool, like,
come catch me. Well, fa teen can't go down into
the water, so just hang out right there because we
don't know a lot about the oceans either, great place
to hide. And we always say to our thinkers, if
you're ever on the run, just go to the ocean,
just get down to the deck down you know, if
you're down there, down there, they're not going to load
your breath as long as you can take that big
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old breath and just wait, wait it out, waited out,
just wait it out before we let you go pain.
Are there some crazy conspiracy theories that you've gotten to
hear from people that you would love to share? We
love conspiracy theories, so you knowles, some people might think
on this surface, because I've made a podcast about UFOs,
you believe them. I'm really kind of the anti conspiracy
guy ninety nine percent of the time their bullshit. There's
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some things that are like, okay, actually, maybe I always
thought that Roswell was probably bullshit, But the more I
dug into it's real. I mean there's some stuff where
definitively something happened here. And even like recently Australia's government
declassified this report, you almost forget that other countries, you know,
intelligence agencies look at what we were doing like we
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do with them. So back in like the late sixties seventies,
they did their own investigation and their determination was that yeah,
a spacecraft probably landed here, they recovered it, well, they
tried to cover it up, and they probably have recovered
bodies and a craft. That was their military's determination. So
where do you think this is all going? I mean,
where you know what I mean, like five years from now,
is there going to be some big discoveries there gonna
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be some big reveal or do you think it's just
are we just destined for a lifetime of kind of
like half facts and oh that's interesting, but who knows.
It's definitely gonna be the slow drip. I would be
very surprised, but pleasantly surprised if there was a day
in history that was major revelation that like, you know,
shifted everything. I think it's gonna be a slow drip
over time, decades of stuff kind of becoming less taboo,
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and you start being able to piece together this fact
in that fact, and then it's like, okay, you kind
of paint the picture yourself. The next big thing is
any sort of official military response or statement really kind
of from any government that's official that there is literal
spacecraft or like physical evidence of something not from Earth
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that they can present and show. Because seeing is believing,
and you think that'll happen in our lifetimes. I think
in our lifetime, yes, George might die soon, though I
think that in my lifetime it will be common knowledge
that there are other species out in the universe that
are intelligent, and it might just be that is all
we know in our lifetime, but we know that definitively.
We just might need to get that info out soon
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because I am worried about George dying. George goes as
falls off the wagon with the drug addictions, and it's
not an addiction. I like to experiment with medicines, plant medicines.
And my question to you is, did you talk to
anybody who encountered aliens? Beings, maybe purple Man and te
people that can show you really crazy geometry. When you're
high on DMT, everyone keeps going, oh, you know, look up,
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look up, look up into the sky. I say, look
down into your DMTA pipe. All right, look down, take
a hit, and you'll meet aliens. Then not everyone is
holding a DMTA pipe though, George. That's true. George walks
around saying that to people as he's smoking DMT, and
it's like, you're the only one doing this. Guys, retain
your semen, and then smoking DMT is just a natural
second step. You sound like a loose cannon. I am
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a loose cannon, pain, But you know what, the DMT
colms me down. And you know the phrase, A loose
cannon always hits its target. So that's right. I agree,
And listeners, thinkers check out high Strange. It's out now.
It's fantastic. Even if you're a skeptic, you are gonna
be entertained and you're and you're not just gonna roll
your eyes, you know what I mean. I'm right there
with yeah, I'll hold your hand through it. It's just
it's it's fun. It's a fun topic to explore in
a new way and listening. Guys, we learned so much today,
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including the benefits of seamen retention. Yet again, I don't
know if we ever mentioned we never learned it. We
just hear about that. Yes, we just kind of bring
a bird circle. Yeah, we heard you say it. We've
all kind of agreed over and over. The aliens do that,
as does George think we did. Pain Lindsay, thank you
so much for being on Man thinkers. We really appreciate
your time today. Thank you, guys. This is a blast wow.
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I mean, honestly, an eerie conversation. I really liked Pain.
But but this whole alien thing is it's a lot well,
it's hard to even tell if we're talking to the
real pain or if we're talking to an alien in
a pain costume. And that's interesting because you would think
that any human that becomes as big of an expert
in the field as mister Pain Lindsay has is going
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to be targeted by So take that interview with a
grain of salt. We don't know what was true and
who was being said. I mean a lot of that
stuff also could have been fed by the aliens into
an earpiece for pain. Lindsay to say, so anytime you
thought he sounded smarter than us, think that that all right,
that's probably an alien anytime right, exactly we didn't sound good.
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It's probably the alien. Coherent or interesting? Probably an alien.
So but you know what I did like pain. Assuming
he was a human, let's just give him the benefit
of the doubt. Great guy, great human. And if it
was an alien, great alien. It was a great episode
all around. We learned a lot. You know. Trump went
from dedicted to indicted. Who cares his numbers? And we
went from non believer to believer with aliens, who cares?
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You know, our numbers are up. Gratis on socials, we
hope you're having as much fun as we are. And
as always, thinkers don't forget to keep thinking, don't stop talking,
but keeps thinking.
Wait. Sorry, I'm sorry, sir, you're We just have to
wait for George to get in here and then then
we could start the show. Sir, what are you talking about?
Your face? I'm George, clearly, I'm George. What are you
talking about? You know, I'm George Jase. You look rail thin. Yeah,
I lost fifteen pounds, but your face, you look you
look like my grandfather. The hell happened to you? Had
you lose this kind of weight? Ozempic? Are you looking
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in the mirror? I don't have any mirrors in my home,
you know that. I think they're portals to another dimension.
I don't trust mirrors. Well, I know, because you're on
mushroom so often that you can't look at them. Well, George,
you look seventy five years old. No, you know. One
of the side effects of a zempic is that your face.
You know, you lose so much weight that your face
kind of becomes hollowed out and you look old. You
look insane. You look like an old crone. No, no, you,
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I mean I did. Someone did tell me that I
look like, you know, like I had some filter on
my face on TikTok or something that makes you look
like an old man, but I thought they were just
crazy and just kind of jealous because I looked so thin. Stop.
I can't even stand looking at you. No, so scary
azempic face, which is just like a face of a
youthful man like you just look so thin and good
that you have a zempic face. That's what it means. No,
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it's not. You really should just quickly look up what
it means, and then you would easily disprove what you
just said. I'm worried about looking in the mirror now
because I don't want to. I don't want to see
what you see if it is in fact true. Because
I love my body. My body minus my head feels fantastic.
I will admit I do feel a little. Your body
looks fantastic. I have to say and thank you for
being man enough to admit that your face looks like
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a joke and it's crazy. But someone might like that,
so maybe I'm like heroin chic. Then that's okay, oh
zepic chic, you know, because now people ever went so proud.
You know, Hey I'm fat, I'm proud of it. For
some reason, you could say, hey, I'm hideous because I
look like an old bag. Then I'm proud of it. Well,
that's what I'm saying is you know you look at
models these days. I mean I was slipping through the
Sports Illustrated the other day and they had these plus
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size models. Plus I want to exactly, thank you, Dan.
Like I want to see skinny people, I want to
see good looking people. And it's siguriously if you want
to diversify it in terms of the body type, well
get an zepic face in there. Someone is lean and
mean and looks seventy eight years old on the face.
That would be diverse to me is if some one
had an ozempic face. Because I that's okay. You're so
obsessed with representation, Well then let's represent someone with those
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epic faces. And George, you know what, if you don't
even like your face, guess what, you get a facelift.
That's what we have in this country. You have options. Okay,
you got the options. You want to facelift or you
don't want to facelift. It's a great option. You're listening
to The Man Thinkers podcast, a show that forges a
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I'm Dan Finkelstein, a staunch libertarian in cell we think,
so you don't have to. You know what else is disgusting?
The New York DA Alvin Bragg going after Trump for
some I don't even know hush money money? What's wrong
with hush money money? Can't be a type of hush
I didn't read into it. I don't need to because
I know exactly you don't. Don't read the stuff, don't
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read anything because you know it's a croc stop reading.
Trump has been able to not only raise a ton
of money since this indictment, but in addition, he has
taken the lead in the polls over his rival Ron
De Santis. You know, the more you try to hurt
this guy, the more he's going to thrive. I mean,
and that that's just a fact. And we see that
in the numbers. Okay, So he's indicted now, which means
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what he's no longer you know, dited. Now he's gone
from dibted to indicted and means is yes, so what
is indicted? When you get indicted? Everyone knows this, you know.
And again, I went to law school. I'm an expert.
That was twice. That's like one of the first questions
on the law school test. What is indictment? And it's
been a little while, um since I was there, but
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what I remember for indictment is, you know, you're at
the courthouse, and I think things get sealed unsealed. So
there was like an envelope and they maybe they gave
it to Trump or something, and he so the process,
what's kind of the process of going from diicted in
direct that's where it gets murged. Well, and that's where
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and I think it's meant to be. I think that's
part of the it's always meant to be a little murky.
That's part of the law. That's how the law works.
It's just the gears low gears of justice. There is
something gets unsealed, a document, Trump some sort of has it.
Now he has the document indictment, and so that therefore
is indictment. He's in on the diet. He's been as well.
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He's indicted to it. He's indoctrinated in the indictment. So
he and Alvin Bragg are in agreement in regards to thedictment.
And until he it's really just a conversation. It's just
a conversation. And that's what we're doing here. Our show
is essentially an indictment, an indictment, and guess what, it's
only helped this, It's only helped Trump. He's only gotten
bigger or stronger. He's doing in a superpower. And that
actually is my big question for today. Do all women
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wish they were their own feces cure aunted? Would children
be safer if everyone's stopped having sechio Biden will be
the first ghost press washing your hands actually bad for wire?
Aunt House is so scary. Is Ronda Santis going to
have to be indicted for a crime in order to
get his poll numbers up? Should I? Well, that's an
interesting question, Dan, that's really interesting, and it's really well
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phrased because, as you know, should I rephrase it because
indicted right in order to when the president catch up
to Trump? Yes? Because what we're seeing right now, Dan,
and I know you've seen this and when I was liberal,
is the harder you go at these conservatives, you know,
the more legal troubles they have, the more scandals there are,
the more their numbers go because they're right right, and
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liberals are glue. And also, can we just point out
the fact that this man is literally getting called out
for doing what having sex. That's cool, the beautiful pornography actress.
I mean, that is the cool dream, and that worries me.
The guy's aw about De Santis is I don't think
he's had sex with a porn star. I worry would
hurt De Santis if a sex tape of his god out,
Whereas with Trump it's because it would be so boring,
(05:43):
so boring, Whereas Trump's would be passed him and his wife,
his powerful cock going inside Stormy Daniels, powerful powerful cock.
Trump being cock. I mean, you know, his cock looks
just like him, sort of a beast and orange. It's
just an interesting tan. It's just interesting. And that's the
problem with De Santas. He doesn't have that same level
of interest. I mean, what crimes is Desanta's even going
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to commit get a couple of traffic tickets. That wouldn't hurt,
but that's not going to have It wouldn't hurt, but
it's not going to do the deed. I mean, when
you're competing with somebody as corrupt as Donald Trump, you
got to bring the heat when it comes to yours.
I mean, I just don't know what Ron can do
at this point to show he's as big of a
badass as Trump. Maybe. And this is interesting, Dan, I'll
get your thoughts on this, because Trump had sex. When
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When did Trump have sex with Stormy Daniels? When did
his powerful cock make in a previous to twenty sixteen,
previous to the election. It was years, it may have
been a decade before. And he paid off that playboy
model and McDougall. See Trump is hanging out and paying
for sex with these beauts, just smart rather than people.
I don't have to be nice to this woman. I
don't have to talk to her, try to woo her.
All I gotta do is offer some cash and she'll
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do it. And also, he knows that there's no part
of my personality, there's no part of my body, my
physical look. There's no way that I'm going to convince
this woman to have sex with me unless I pay
her a lot of money. And that's when you know
you've got a t in the house. A man who
has to pay for sex in order to get how
much it's worth, but has enough money to do it
and pay These top notch people are starting to see
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the writing on the wall. DeSantis doesn't have the cash
to get his wiener inside the porn actress, playboy model.
What have you an interesting, Dan that you chose to
use the word wiener with Ronda Santis versus cock with
Donald Trump, because that's how we think of these two men.
Donald Trump has a cock, Ronda Santis has a little
slimsy that looks like a guy. I mean, all penises
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kind of look like Florida. But still all right, Obviously
DeSantis and his wiener that he's not going to come
up with a controversy that's going to rival Donald Trump.
But what are some other type of controversies that Ronda
santist can maybe get involved. What really frustrates me right
now is that I have traveled with my own funds
to the Florida Statehouse to talk to de Santis and
his team. They have not allowed me inside. They have
not heard me out, even though every day I suggest
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Ronda Santis choke a celebrity, any kind of celebrity to
death on camera to yeah, well, that's I mean to
you want you you would be advocating for murder? Then
that feels wouldn't that because it isn't murder murder is
the original sin. Everything kind of comes back to murder.
If run to Santas is indicted, and we all know
what that means, right, I gotta say he's going to
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be able to raise a lot of money. Um, you
know I can't condone murder. I think in any that's
the difference form I Right, I don't call it for violence.
You do, and I think that's murder. It's just one
murder is one murder. Violent murder is for these guys,
most violent acts. We're not voting for these guys to
be our religious leaders, right. I want the country to
be run right, like it's like a murderer. You want
the country to be run like a murderer. What does
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that mean? You mean like the brain of a murdering man.
So like a serial killer, psychopath. Like you know, people
say I want the country to be run like it.
I'm saying, you're saying you want the country to be
run a murderer, And I'm saying, start small, steal a car.
See how the public response. Then if it's positive, then
you can work your way up to cocaine. If that's going, well,
murder a guy, you know what I mean? Like you
can you can kind of take it instead. And I yeah,
I mean that's a good strategy. It's and it's going
(08:58):
to help you against Trump. And I'm not picking and choosing,
you know, I like both guys. I think they have
both really great policies. I love Trump's policies. That's one
thing I've always loved about his policies. I mean, I
couldn't agree with you more. And and and I think
the Liberals will regret this. They're gonna regret every realize
months from now, a year from now. But yeah, of
course they're gonna say, oh god, we put all this
time and resources into trying to get this guy fromditted
(09:19):
to indicted, and we did it on charges that were
flimsy anyway, and just highlighting the fact that he had
sex with these beautiful women. And it's like, okay, cool man,
lose the election. You just trying to enforce a law.
Why why just let him do it? That's what I say, Dan,
Let's be honest. We've committed crimes. We've committed crimes in
this show. We're trying to sell an unregistered security in
man coin. No one's coming after act or so that
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we know all they shouldn't because it's okay to do
a few crimes right. Everyone gets like three or four
before it's like a you get a mull again, You
get a mull again to right a right, I didn't wrong,
and do it again. But then you do it again,
you know tax In fact, I would say if I
if I meet a man or a woman out here
in the real world and they've never committed it, you
know they're lying. I don't trust them for a second.
You know that if someone says they never committed a crime,
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you know it's a lie. And Ron de Santis needs
to commit a curry fast and out and something gets
something on the books. It's hard to believe some of
the things that Trump has done, and he only helped
him in the polls. Can't wait for him to get
indicted in Georgia. Speaking in Georgia and speaking of things
that are hard to believe. Dan, we have just an
excellent guest on Today's Pretty excellent. Not because it's related
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to eggs in any way. It's actually related to aliens,
Payne Lindsay Fantastic Podcast. Lindsay. I some people would say
we could learn from him. I would say he could
learn from us in terms of podcasting, and I think
he thinks from us. I think we're going to talk
to him. He learned a few tactics. Got a new show,
High Strange. It's all about alien encounters, the truth behind it,
and it's it's really it's really well done. This guy
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knows how to make people listen just like we do.
So again, I think he could learn from us more
than we could live from him. But it's a really
good interview coming up. Before we get there, Dan, of course,
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Lindsay on the show Our Guest Today is a director,
(11:20):
documentary filmmaker, and podcast host of the hit shows Up
and Vanished and Atlanta Monster. His new show, High Strange
is a limited UFO audio series that features firsthand accounts
of abductions and sightings, archival tape, and sheds light on
government secrecy. Payne Lindsay, thank you so much for being
on Man Thinkers, Thanks for having me. How are you doing?
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We're doing well, Payne and we're excited to have you
on the show because we've been trying to get an
Aliens guy for a long time, and I think we
got the perfect Aliens guy. Now. I know you've said
before you don't want to be known as the UFO guy,
so I change it to Aliens guy. But can you
explain what exactly do you mean by that? What do
you mean by being labeled? Do you FO guy? And
why is that bad in your mind? I mean, you
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see the names, right, it's a it's kind of a
funny thing. It's it's a wild concept. So you have
this sort of left field, kind of space cadet vibe
with the UFO Alien guy. And uh, you know, some
people might not take you as seriously because that's what
you're labeled, or that's how you present yourself. You know,
there are some good, hard working American UFO guys, So
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I take a little bit of an offense to that
of saying that, you know, some of these guys, some
of these alien guys, you know, they're hard working. They're
pulling themselves up by their bootstraps, so you know, just
remember that they're doing they're doing the real work. I mean, hey,
I'll give it to them. They at least laid the
foundation for me. So exactly, we owe a lot to
these guys. And you know, in discussing aliens on your show,
I just want to get this cleared off the bat
(12:46):
for our listeners. Um, are you a crazy person? Yes? Yeah? Okay?
Because a crazy yeah, absolutely, okay, because that might mess
with your credibility, yeah, no it might. Yeah, And honestly,
a little advice even if you are crazy, it might
help you to say that you're not. You would think, right, right,
I mean, hey, I think we're all a little crazy,
so that's fair. And again that's fair. Yeah, if you're
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still alive today, you're crazy. You're a little bit nuts.
That's true. There was a lot of reasons to go
insane over the past a few years, like Joe Biden
sleepy Joe. Have the Aliens mentioned him at all? No,
they don't really care about him. Speaking of politics, is
there a party that is more shall we say, pro
alien or pro UFO Republicans Democrats or is this one
of those few issues that really kind of, you know,
reaches across the aisle. I mean, I think it does
(13:29):
actually reach across the aisle, but it seems like just
from looking at the media and the news that it's
definitely a more popular Republican thing. I think that's probably
because of the notion that some people have on the
far right of anything that the government's hiding something from you.
And there's probably some truth to that in a lot
(13:50):
of what they're saying, but I think that's the sexy
part of it. For someone on the far side of anything,
it is sexy. Thank you for calling it that. And
you know what, I bet there's a lot of people
on the far right that would say that the alien
and they're sexy. They're nude, they've got big heads and
big beautiful eyes, which is really nice because that's what
a lot of Hollywood actors have. So what's not to like.
I mean, I'm with you there, serious question about that,
(14:11):
because I wanted, you know, I was going to work
my way into questions about alien sex. But in all honesty,
pain given all your research and your investigation, and I
listened to the first two episodes of High Strange excellent
podcasts everyone should listen to pay for, really really riveting.
Well I did you know you could have figured I
could listen to the first two well I'm just saying
the first two are phrase, So has anyone in your estimation?
Has a human being in an alien had sex? Oh?
(14:33):
I mean I'd want to say yes, you know, I
like you gotta say it all the story specifically, but
that's not I have not had sex with an alien.
But okay, some people claim they have, so right do
we tell you them? I guess is the question? I
have not had sex with an alien, and nor have
I been abducted? Pain? And I was going to ask you,
I'm a little jealous because I am like, what is
it about these people who are getting abducted? What do
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they have that I don't have? So pain? Are you
seeing anything in your research? So it's like, oh, it's
this type of person or it's this type of situation.
How can I better the chances of being abducted myself?
I honestly don't know. I think that it's just a
wrong place, wrong time, or in this case, the right
place at the right time. George spends his summers wandering
around the south southwest, yeah, southwest, just in hopes of
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somebody picking him up. And he has been picked up,
but not by aliens, but by often murderous gangs, well
yourself in situations. Sure, but I'm still here to talk
about it. And that's that's what's important. I mean personally,
I believe that whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger,
and so being have you talked to anyone who has
had an abduction that's life has improved because of it
in their minds, because usually the stigma is, you know,
(15:39):
you see aliens, they abduct you, and your life is ruined.
But what about has somebody walked away from that being like, hey,
I'm happier, man, I know about the aliens now I
talk to him. It doesn't seem like that. No, it
seems like like a definitive life ruiner, mostly because fucking
no one's gonna believe you. That's the thing, right, It's like, okay,
that's how I feel, and that would just make you
insane over the course of your life. A policy on
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our show believe everyone, and now that of course has
a little bit more to do with sexual harassment allegations,
is that you always believe when women say that they've
been harassed, but you also believe the men when they
say I didn't do it. So in this case, you know,
you believe the men and women who said that they've
been abducted by aliens, and then you believe the aliens
who said, hey, I've never been there. We'll see now.
But wait a minute, because everyone implies human being. So
(16:23):
now we're extending this believe everyone policy. I think it
should be universally true. What's the point of having laws
if you're not going to have them on different planets.
I feel like this space is lawless. It has to
be right the Constitution. In my mind, it goes well
beyond the Solar system, manifest destiny for the entire Milky
Way galaxy, the right to bear arms. Do you think
the founding fathers were thinking about those aliens when they
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were signing that thing? That is a great question. Well,
that's why they have the little eye on the pyramid
on the money. Well, that brings us. That brings us
to an interesting question, pain because how far back you
know you start your podcast where like the first significant
incident is the Roswell incidents, I believe in nineteen forty seven.
But how far back could you have gone? Like, if
you wanted to start ancient Greece, could you have Absolutely? Yeah,
(17:05):
it goes back as far as you could possibly go.
I mean, wow, these sightings if you actually look at
them and read them, you know, they're interpreted at the
time as you know, as a religious thing. It was
an angel, or it was you know, God or whatever
it was. But the way they they're describing them, it
sounds like it was a spaceship similar to what someone
would be claiming to have seen today on Twitter. It
(17:25):
seems like the way we talk about UFOs and UFO
sightings has changed a lot in the last five years. Right,
it seemed like it was always fringe, and now you're
seeing kind of a change in narrative a little bit
in the mass media. You've got the New York Times
writing stories on it, You've got sixteen Minutes doing exposs,
You've got congressional hearings. So what is it that happened
in the last five years that kind of shifted the conversation.
(17:47):
Is there a specific event or something or why has
there been a change or do you even agree that
there is a change. There's definitely a change. I think
it's a combination of a couple of things. I mean,
I think the younger generation just doesn't have as much
resistance to believing some thing, you know, not entirely proven
but possible scientifically. That coupled with credible people military pilots,
navy pilots coming forward with crazy and incredible stories of
(18:11):
things that they claim defy the laws of physics, and
they're saying that they're not ours and they're not any
other governments in the world. You kind of tend to
want to believe those people. And so if you're open
to the idea that there's something else going on that
we don't maybe necessarily know entirely about yet, then you
would be more receptive at this point, and I think
a lot of people. I think a lot of people
are in my opinion, the most compelling evidence for UFOs
(18:34):
is the fact that governments around the world have just
acknowledged that they're real, right, Like, governments have come out
and say like, yeah, there are these things. They don't
say they're aliens, but they say there's UFOs flying around.
We don't know what they are. And I think a
lot of people don't know that that that has literally
been admitted by various governments. Can you expand on that
a little bit, What is like the official stance of
the US government or governments around the world, and how
(18:54):
do those stances change. Is there a difference between the
way we approach UFOs versus Europe and whatnot. The common
mis conception is that UFOs and aliens in America is
some like American folklore thing, right, you know, Area fifty
one and all this stuff and Roswell and it's just
kind of like our own thing. And if that was
the case, if there was no other country or no
(19:14):
other military in the world talking about this seriously, then
that would just essentially prove that it's just some myth
urban legend here in America, American exceptionalism. But it's just
not true. It's it's every country in the world that
has a legit military intelligence wing has stories like this
and has accounts and has their own records. And I
think the other common misconception is that people think the
(19:37):
government has all this information and they're hiding it from us.
And sure, they're definitely hiding some stuff, but I think
the bigger reality are more likely scenarios that they don't
know enough to tell you anything, and they don't want
to come out and say we don't know what this is.
No government for any country wants to come out and
say they don't know what something is because people some
people look at the government like they want to trust
(19:57):
them with everything and they should know these things, and
I would just spook people. Let me, I see this paint.
You've interviewed so many people, and obviously you did some vetting, right,
you want to make sure these people are credible. Also
that just intuitively they feel credible to you. But you
must have interviewed some people that were just a little
batshit crazy, right. Can you tell us about somebody who
was just like, yeah, this guy or this gal, From
the moment I started talking to him, I knew they
(20:19):
were just full shit. Yeah, there's definitely several people that
didn't make it into the show because you know, three
minutes into our conversation they're just saying stuff that and
also like shit, it could be true. They could be
totally telling the truth, but it's just it sounds so
unbelievable and it just sounds so kooky. Can you give
us any details on some of the bat shits, like,
(20:39):
I mean what they stuff? Like people who claim that
they are in constant communication with extraterrestrials and they have names.
This lady presented to me like twenty different names of
people and people aliens and their physical descriptions and how
often they talk, and that she has some daughter and
(21:00):
and some other you know planets. So she had sex.
Sounds very credible to me. And I'm like, you know what,
what's funny is that she could be actually telling the truth,
but it's just so out there that I know. Well,
were some of the names. I'm interested to know what
aliens are named? Sam Like, literally some of them were
like sounded like alien names. One of them was like
Steve or something like that. I was like, real, she
ran out of ideas. One of them was just a
(21:21):
straight up like square. Maybe once they came down, you know,
they came down and they met some people, and they
met a Steve and said, hey, you know I could
be a Steve. I mean, in some ways, if you're
an alien name Steve, that's a flex because all your
cohorts are named like Slosh and Blourish, and then you're
Steve and you just stand out. It's like peacock in
the in a bar, you know, you know, yeah, it's
it could be badass on a different planet. Absolutely, And
(21:43):
that's and that's a goal, you know, for our thinkers
out there who are saying, Hey, things are not going
great for me on this planet. You could be a
stud on another planet that let the aliens give you hope,
the coolest kid in the room somewhere else. Let me
ask you to pain Why the fuck are the aliens here? Like?
Why are they here? Let's just assume they're here, all right.
(22:04):
I'm a believer like you. They're here. They're in our
skies there, nose diving into our oceans. Who knows what
they're up to? But what do you think? I mean,
you've talked to more people than anybody else. Why are
they here? And why don't they just say hi? Just
because they can be? There could be some deeper reason,
you know, but I think that there could also not
have to be of some amazing reason. Why do we
go to the Moon? The hell are we doing there?
Why are we trying to go to Mars hoping for
(22:24):
gold and water? Because because we can? I buy that.
But I'm also like, if that's the reason, why don't
they just kind of like say hello? You know what
I mean? If there's so many, why don't we can't
they just kind of like the alien doesn't want to
get to know you, George? If they're this advanced, We're
just a little ant hill. They don't need anything from us,
They're just looking at us. Is it even anthropomorphic in
a way for us to believe that they have any
interest in us anyway? I mean, maybe they're interested in
(22:47):
other things on Earth. It's a little stubborn and ignorant
to think that we're so cool. Well, I worry about
even thinking that aliens are so much more advanced than us.
I mean, we have look at the technology we have.
We've got Tesla's Teslas, Teslas the cybertruck coming out this year. Pain,
is it actually going to come out? Why you have
to push back on this? I mean, I hope it does.
I put in a pre order. I mean, here's the thing. Okay, fine, aliens,
(23:08):
maybe you got a better car than we do, but
you don't have the thinkers that we do. You don't
have an Elon Musk. Who's the Elon Musk of the aliens.
I've never heard of them, so they can't be that special. Meanwhile,
we've got Elon he owns Twitter. Now that's awesome. That's
a flex in itself exactly what I'm very seeing. He says.
These aliens, they're not so great a business, and so
how could their society be that much more advanced than ours?
They've evolved so far that business doesn't really Now you
(23:31):
don't have to actually answer that. Let me ask you
this pain. Why do they call him UAPs now? And
what does UAP stand for? Why not just the good
old fashioned UFO? Is it PC? Some PC nonsense? Yeah?
Is this woke? Is this the woke mob coming at us?
I hate the term. It's annoying. I think it's just
a way to distinguish because when you hear uf if
you just type in the words UFO, you're going to
(23:53):
get a ton of conspiracy documentaries about aliens and you know,
just random insane stuff, and so has that kind of
connotation to it. UAP is like their military term, their
official sexier, buttoned up term for the same exact thing,
and it stands for unidentified aerial phenomena YEP. I mean,
I don't know, that's nonsense because also phenomena pH makes
(24:15):
an f sound. But then you got the PEP. This
is just and that's what the problem is now with
you got these liberal people in charge of alien investigations.
All they're focused on is not offending people I don't
care about offending aliens. You shouldn't, thank you. If they're
abducting us, they clearly don't care about offending us either.
Thank you. Finally, someone I'm going to push back on that,
based on some of these encounters that Paying covers in
(24:36):
his podcasts and some others that I've read about. I mean,
I don't want to piss off any alien. I'll tell
you that right now. If the aliens are listening to
our podcast, because you know they are, absolutely they want
to know how men think exactly. I am your friend.
I don't want to upset you. If you're listening, please
come take me. I'm good. Are you down? I'm down?
I mean, what are you terrified? Yes? What I maybe
(24:58):
regret that immediately probably ought to be an opportunist. I'm like,
fuck it, take me. You know, recently the US government,
we are air Force or Navy pilots. I'm not sure
we shot down some you know, quote unquote balloons, right,
and some of which they still to this day haven't
come out and confirmed. Oh is this man made thing
kind of leaving it hanging in the air. But that
kind of disgruntled me and Dan because we're thinking these
are alien spacecraft, but they get shot down by F
(25:21):
eighteen hornets. Like I thought these things were supposed to
be so high tech. How is it possible that some
of these spacecraft have you know, crashed or been shot
down or I mean that doesn't that just imply that
these aliens are stupid? I mean, I see the arguments.
I think that the only one that I really think
is suspicious is the one over Alaska that you know,
they don't have any pictures of. They have like four
(25:42):
K photos from the cockpit of the other ones. They
don't have anything on this one. They claimed that they
couldn't recover it, which also is kind of not true,
you know, because there's a video of them at the site.
They got something right. I think that some of these
UFOs UAPs could just be some self like regenerating drone
that's like from so far away, from so long ago,
(26:02):
that's just doing a thing. It doesn't even it's just
kind of serving no purpose anymore. It wasn't really like
trying to necessarily defend itself. We're using our most advanced machines.
Maybe this thing wasn't really designed to do anything like that.
What are your thoughts on this? Whole idea that you know,
the US government is trying to reverse engineer alien tech,
Like do you think governments have alien tech? Are we
working on it? Every important reliable person that I've talked to,
(26:25):
as you know, spoke about the rumblings of their being
craft that's trying to be reverse engineered and has been
for a long time, even down to like where they
have it, Like there's like a hangar like in Nevada,
like in Vegas that like they're saying, most of these
things are we're talking on the strip, we're in Vega,
And I bet you they're just sitting there and they
have not been able to turn them on since like
nineteen sixty and they're still just tinkering with it, or
(26:47):
they broke the damn thing by now, but it's sitting
there and they know definitively. The fact that they still
don't know what it is all these years later means
that it definitely wasn't a Russia or China. They don't
I don't think they know what to do with it yet.
So when people that tell you about about this, I mean,
who are these people, Like are these government officials former
government officials? Like how high up have you gotten to
mostly other like super credible reporters who speak to some
(27:12):
of these people in the know, and it's just kind
of one of those things where you've heard it from
so many different people in places, and there's even sort of,
you know, evidence of that if you were to believe
ros will happen, then that was one of the first
cases of that in our history. It kind of jives
with the way that they treat it, that there's all
these things that we know, and the reality is that
(27:33):
we don't know everything. And that's what we're afraid to
tell you, is that there's a lot of shit going
on in the universe and there's definitely some other entity
or intelligence out there, and we know jack shit about it.
That's what they're afraid to tell you. And do you
really think that would cause mass panic? Honestly, I don't
think so. I mean some people would get spooked. It
would definitely have some sort of effect on, you know,
(27:55):
the stock market for a little bit. Like everyone's so
reactionary to everything anyways, so there would be at some
level of that. Also, what are we going to do
about it? Nothing? Right, It's not like we're in danger.
It's just like a new reality. It's just a new
fact that we learned. We've discovered a new animal in
the ocean. It's the same kind of idea. And are
you ever worried about aliens coming up from underneath the water?
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I mean some of their machines can go in and
out of the water pretty easily, which I guess would
make sense if you were trying to hide. It's like cool, like,
come catch me. Well, fa teen can't go down into
the water, so just hang out right there because we
don't know a lot about the oceans either, great place
to hide. And we always say to our thinkers, if
you're ever on the run, just go to the ocean,
just get down to the deck down you know, if
you're down there, down there, they're not going to load
your breath as long as you can take that big
(28:40):
old breath and just wait, wait it out, waited out,
just wait it out before we let you go pain.
Are there some crazy conspiracy theories that you've gotten to
hear from people that you would love to share? We
love conspiracy theories, so you knowles, some people might think
on this surface, because I've made a podcast about UFOs,
you believe them. I'm really kind of the anti conspiracy
guy ninety nine percent of the time their bullshit. There's
(29:02):
some things that are like, okay, actually, maybe I always
thought that Roswell was probably bullshit, But the more I
dug into it's real. I mean there's some stuff where
definitively something happened here. And even like recently Australia's government
declassified this report, you almost forget that other countries, you know,
intelligence agencies look at what we were doing like we
(29:24):
do with them. So back in like the late sixties seventies,
they did their own investigation and their determination was that yeah,
a spacecraft probably landed here, they recovered it, well, they
tried to cover it up, and they probably have recovered
bodies and a craft. That was their military's determination. So
where do you think this is all going? I mean,
where you know what I mean, like five years from now,
is there going to be some big discoveries there gonna
(29:45):
be some big reveal or do you think it's just
are we just destined for a lifetime of kind of
like half facts and oh that's interesting, but who knows.
It's definitely gonna be the slow drip. I would be
very surprised, but pleasantly surprised if there was a day
in history that was major revelation that like, you know,
shifted everything. I think it's gonna be a slow drip
over time, decades of stuff kind of becoming less taboo,
(30:07):
and you start being able to piece together this fact
in that fact, and then it's like, okay, you kind
of paint the picture yourself. The next big thing is
any sort of official military response or statement really kind
of from any government that's official that there is literal
spacecraft or like physical evidence of something not from Earth
(30:28):
that they can present and show. Because seeing is believing,
and you think that'll happen in our lifetimes. I think
in our lifetime, yes, George might die soon, though I
think that in my lifetime it will be common knowledge
that there are other species out in the universe that
are intelligent, and it might just be that is all
we know in our lifetime, but we know that definitively.
We just might need to get that info out soon
(30:48):
because I am worried about George dying. George goes as
falls off the wagon with the drug addictions, and it's
not an addiction. I like to experiment with medicines, plant medicines.
And my question to you is, did you talk to
anybody who encountered aliens? Beings, maybe purple Man and te
people that can show you really crazy geometry. When you're
high on DMT, everyone keeps going, oh, you know, look up,
(31:09):
look up, look up into the sky. I say, look
down into your DMTA pipe. All right, look down, take
a hit, and you'll meet aliens. Then not everyone is
holding a DMTA pipe though, George. That's true. George walks
around saying that to people as he's smoking DMT, and
it's like, you're the only one doing this. Guys, retain
your semen, and then smoking DMT is just a natural
second step. You sound like a loose cannon. I am
(31:29):
a loose cannon, pain, But you know what, the DMT
colms me down. And you know the phrase, A loose
cannon always hits its target. So that's right. I agree,
And listeners, thinkers check out high Strange. It's out now.
It's fantastic. Even if you're a skeptic, you are gonna
be entertained and you're and you're not just gonna roll
your eyes, you know what I mean. I'm right there
with yeah, I'll hold your hand through it. It's just
it's it's fun. It's a fun topic to explore in
a new way and listening. Guys, we learned so much today,
(31:52):
including the benefits of seamen retention. Yet again, I don't
know if we ever mentioned we never learned it. We
just hear about that. Yes, we just kind of bring
a bird circle. Yeah, we heard you say it. We've
all kind of agreed over and over. The aliens do that,
as does George think we did. Pain Lindsay, thank you
so much for being on Man thinkers. We really appreciate
your time today. Thank you, guys. This is a blast wow.
(32:14):
I mean, honestly, an eerie conversation. I really liked Pain.
But but this whole alien thing is it's a lot well,
it's hard to even tell if we're talking to the
real pain or if we're talking to an alien in
a pain costume. And that's interesting because you would think
that any human that becomes as big of an expert
in the field as mister Pain Lindsay has is going
(32:34):
to be targeted by So take that interview with a
grain of salt. We don't know what was true and
who was being said. I mean a lot of that
stuff also could have been fed by the aliens into
an earpiece for pain. Lindsay to say, so anytime you
thought he sounded smarter than us, think that that all right,
that's probably an alien anytime right, exactly we didn't sound good.
(32:55):
It's probably the alien. Coherent or interesting? Probably an alien.
So but you know what I did like pain. Assuming
he was a human, let's just give him the benefit
of the doubt. Great guy, great human. And if it
was an alien, great alien. It was a great episode
all around. We learned a lot. You know. Trump went
from dedicted to indicted. Who cares his numbers? And we
went from non believer to believer with aliens, who cares?
(33:15):
You know, our numbers are up. Gratis on socials, we
hope you're having as much fun as we are. And
as always, thinkers don't forget to keep thinking, don't stop talking,
but keeps thinking.
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