Rich Paul Convo, Becoming a Pro, Fit over Pick, Big wins and Popcorn!

In this very special episode Tyrese digs into the Sixers recent game against the Mavs, the Sixers' new locker room, and his love of popcorn. Then Tyrese's agent and friend Rich Paul joins to talk about their special relationship, the importance of being a true professional, and representing Tyrese and other NBA players as the Founder of Klutch Sports Group, 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Diaries. Three Yo, what's up, y'all? Is Tyrese back with

(00:23):
episode five of MAXI on the mic. I think this
one is gonna be very special or very unique. Um.
I'm bringing in my agent, founder of Clutch Sports Group,
one of the most not just powerful agents, but I
think powerful people and um, just the world right now.

(00:43):
I mean, Rich Paul has been a great influence on
my last three years of me being in the NBA
and I just playing wise but just as a business
aspect and growing into the young man of my own.
And I think it would be cool for y'all to
hear his story. He has a very unique story, a
very unique situation and how he came into his own

(01:06):
I want him to talk about that. I want him
to talk about the struggles of becoming and an agent,
and the way he did it was different. So, you know,
I've been talking about the entire every episode. I've always
either I've been saying it or I've had people on
talking about just the mental health of it and just
the mental stability and how hard things really are. You know,

(01:29):
a lot of people only see the outcomes, the positive outcomes.
They don't see the work that everybody puts in, so
I want him to come on here and talk about that.
We're gonna have a little bit of fun too. I'm
gonna mess with him about his Cleveland Browns, how terrible
they are. But but yeah, you know, we'll have a
little fun and it's gonna be a great one. But
first I'm gonna talk to y'all about the team. We're
on a little three game using Street but we snapped

(01:51):
that last night. It's the Dallas Marricks. We'll talk about
that and it'll be a great one. We didn't lose
three in a row, but that's right after winning eight
in a row, so it's like winning we won eight
in a row. James gets hurt, Daniel House was hurt
for a little bit. Jenny McDonalds and hurt for a
little bit. So it's hard. You know, it's hard to
nbable to win games, and it's hard to win games,

(02:13):
especially when you're not fully healthy, because you know, teams
are really good, especially when you're playing defending champs, play
feeding Suns who won the West year before that. And
you know, we finished that trip off with number one
team in the West. So what that mean that it's
not an easy trip, especially it's not an easy trip
if you don't have James for the entire trip and
then you don't have the Big Fella at the end

(02:33):
of the trip. So our confidence never really wavered. We
know that we're stepped in the right direction. As soon
as we get everybody back healthy, just like we did
last night, we can compete and beat any team in
the league. And we showed that again last night against
a talented Dodge Mavericks team who's playing desperate to get
into the playoffs right now. Being down in the first half.

(02:55):
They never had me and Jervis at all. It's all
about basketball. It's out rhythm and it's extremely hard hard
to catch that rhythm. But once you catching, you rolling,
but sometimes you fall out of rhythm. Because, like I said,
James was out the four games straight, the Big Fellow
was out against Denver, so they both have to individually
catch their rhythm back, which is hard. Then they had
to catch their rhythm back as a duo as a tandem,

(03:17):
which is difficult as well. Now you gotta put all
five other players on the course together that had to
catch their rhythm back. So that's three different scenarios. A
rhythm that has been broken up and that has to
be um brought back in and brought back together, so
you know that, you know, we knew it was gonna
take some time. We knew that game was gonna be
a little a little difficult, and also we've been on

(03:37):
the road on the West Coast for you know, however
long we was out there, and time zones are changing,
and it's just difficult, man, It's difficult. So it happens.
It was a starting third, very first possession. We set
the tone defensively. James got a still, ran out hardy steps,

(03:59):
MAXI running the floor. We had like two transition points
in the first half. You know, James got to still.
I see still, I'm running. I running up on the
left side of the floor. He throws me a football
pass like catching like a touchdown, laying in on my
left hand. I think that just ignited and started the
fight and the comeback in the rhythm for the rest

(04:20):
of the game. And that's something that we really needed.
We really needed that and it helped us. It helped
the boost our um, tough steam, helped with our team
around and we realized that once we got consecutive stops
in the road that we was able to stop them.
We found something that we liked. We kind of liked
Joe well on on their guards that they don't shoot
the ball as well, so he can kind of roam

(04:40):
around and protect the paint. And then on the back
side we had to scramble for him because we knew
he was going to be the low man. So now
you've got two guys on the backside, or who's playing two,
who's playing two and two or two on three sometimes
and trying to prevent them to easy catch shoot opportunities.
And we did that, and once we did that, it's
hard to stop us, period. But once we get in
our rhythm and everybody's touching the ball and everybody's shooting

(05:03):
and scoring. Jordan Yangen and Danthymulson was huge for us
off the bench last night. I think both of them
hitting four and five three, So you know, we need
those type of things from them. Yeah, we wanted on
a new locker room, and it's it's kind of crazy
how you just ramm got to the new locker room
at the end of the year. But it's really nice. Honestly,

(05:24):
it's really nice. Uh. All I've ever known was un
locker rooms to stop. Been here so this is you know,
my second locker room and Wells Fargo, but this one's
really nice. The lockers are bigger, the space is a
lot bigger, the TV's a lot bigger. You got hiding
cold to back there. The training room is huge, and
uh it's cool man. You know. Coach Doc said that

(05:45):
we had to win that game to start winning habits
in the new locker room, and I think that was
very important. And we know that this this playoffs and
this seat is gonna be huge for us. And this
is I think this is a great start tour, getting
a new locker room, getting guys together, and it'd be
good for us. Oh, I gotta grap Yeah, Popercorn is

(06:14):
not bad. Poper points are good snack. I think popcorn
kind of started with me when I was a little kid.
I know, I'm a big Marvel fan on big movie fan,
so I was always at the movies and I was
always getting a big old bag of popcorn and uh,
my mom my mom should tell me that popcorn was
good for you, like he had good vibrated and so
it kind of stuck with me. It may not be
the most healthy snack in the world, but like you know,

(06:36):
it's not terrible share. He's not gonna get Maddy for
eating U and a pop in the bag of pop.
He does get mad if I pop in in the microwave.
He showed me how to pop in the stove now
because he feels like that's healthy. He doesn't like the microwave,
but hey, he'll be okay. All right, let's take quick
breaks when we come back. The highly anticipated interview segments

(06:58):
sit down segment with see EO of Clutch Sports Group,
founder of Clutch Sports Group, my agent, Rich Paul. It
should be a different one. You know. It's not a
he's not a professional athlete. He is someone who managed
his professional assets and helps them and hosts them with
their brand. And he's someone who has built his legacy

(07:19):
up on his own and kind of want him to
talk about that and talk about the charge and tribulationship.
So we get back. We'll have a good one, yo.
What's up, y'all? We're back, Max, Jona, Mike, welcome back

(07:41):
after break and as I promise, we have a special
guest this time. No, not a professional athlete. No, it's
not an NBA but even here looking at me crazy,
even though he's not he's extremely important, even more important
CEO and founder Clutch Sports Group, my agent, but also

(08:02):
someone who I could call at any time of day,
any time of night, knowing if he doesn't pick up
right away, he's gonna call me back within five to
ten minutes or at least shoot me a text. Someone
who I really appreciate, who has taught me so much
in the last three years of not just me from
a basketball standpoint, but um, you know, I tell my
parents he's taught me a lot of becoming a great

(08:24):
young man. And that's something that I always looked for
in the agent. And uh so yeah, now that's me
introducing Rich Paul you know around the Paull But there
you go, So R and p what's something, man, how
are you doing? What's good? Oh? Man? This you know
this before we even start. I'm gonna telling this story.
I'm tell the story of how I was introduced to you.

(08:46):
So it's funny. I'm the tournament ends COVID blah blah blah.
Aw that happens. We talked about that both the times
in the show. And I'm driving home right, I'm driving
home from well at lex Ni, Kentucky. Back to the Nashville, Tennessee,
to meet with my family. I'm going to call my uncle,
my mom, and my dad, and they're sitting there to

(09:07):
ask me, so, what are you gonna do? How you
feel about school, how you feel about going back. I'm like,
I'm not going back to school, and it was all
right with it this time, and start, you know, thinking
about what's going on to the next level. So then
you know, we get there and Brandon trying to explain
to me, like you know, because I know I had
no contact with the ajay thing. They're they're the you know, yeah,
I'm just hooping. So it's like, you know, they're trying

(09:29):
to Brendon trying to explain like hey, man, like you
know who Rich Paul is? Like yeah, I know who
Rich Paul is. And my mom was like, well, I
don't know who that is. I don't I don't care
if I know Rich Paul. And I'm like yeah, from
Brendon trying to explain to her like hey, I think
it's a good idea. You know, I think it's a
good idea. And it came to me with it. I'm like,

(09:50):
all right, let's let's you know, let's sit down with him.
Let's talk to him and h It's funny because like
actually talking to you for the first time, it was
real cool because like I didn't that's not what I expected,
you know what I'm saying, like, yeah, you know, you
always talked about how you always have to earn your
stripes or you know, re earn them, and I kind
of just want you to talk to them, like just
to introduce yourself about how you have to earn your

(10:12):
way and you you kind of paved your own way,
and how everybody thinks of you as this person that
is not unapproachable or who's somebody who's not there for
their people, and that's just not who you are. You're
so much different than that, and I just want you
to talk about that. Yeah, I think, um, and obviously
you know your mom told me that as well during
the process to my initial call. But I think, ultimately,

(10:35):
I think people just look for a reason not to
want to do something right. So if you're looking for something,
obviously you can find it. But I think, like you did,
and like we did, over the course of time, once
you come into a situation open minded and really have
the dialogue, you come to realize like, oh wait, wait,
a minute, like, are we basing this off of what

(10:58):
someone's saying or what they actually know, because the person
I talked to and the feeling I got on the
other end of the phone don't really align with what
was being sent to me if that's how it actually went.
Because you and I had it, I mean, we had
a short conversation, but it was genuine. I personally recruited you.
It's the only one I recruited that year, and just

(11:20):
through my evaluation, because I think one thing that people
don't understand, as it pertains to me and us, is
we're evaluating you just as much as you're evaluating us.
And I think that ultimately, I don't know if most
agents really care about that. You know, they're looking at
it from a place of dollars when that's not the

(11:42):
league for me. And I think you know that, you know, right,
And so in my conversation, the character was just coming back.
It's so high strong, and I'm like, I've been watching
you since you was in high school. So it was
an easy thing for me. And then ultimately too, I
really didn't care about where you would land or anything
like that. I knew once we were able to connect,

(12:05):
I felt good about how it could possibly go. But
I think that, you know, the perception is it's for
a lot of different reasons. And I think sometimes people
put me in a crossfire based upon my origin or
where they feel like, hey, you know you you started
with Lebron and that means it was just a red

(12:25):
carpet for you. It's actually even more difficult, you know,
from that regard. Yeah, and then the earning aspect of
it is, you know, they built every wall possible to
try to stop me from being successful, you know, um,
and it's still happening today. The only difference is I
actually had a receipts, but you would be surprised, Like

(12:47):
as much as you think the receipts matter, again, they
don't really matter as it pertains to who's looking forward
to discredited receipts. How you discredit receipts, I don't know.
I think anything you need to receive in front of you,
but I don't you know, I don't fight it. I'm
appreciative of the guys that you know, allowing me and

(13:08):
us as a company to represent them. And like I said,
you know, we're not for everybody, and I don't want
to be true because as you know me and you
have plenty of conversations when you're right or when you know,
not necessarily when you're wrong, because you don't really do
things from a from a place of wrong, but when
there needs to be a different point of view made

(13:31):
to allow you to understand it. Whether I'm talking to
be or whether I'm talking to your mom and dad,
or whether I'm just talking to you, the conversations coming
from a place of truth, It's never gonna be sugar
coated or positioned from me walking on eggshell. I don't
I don't do that. Yeah, And I think one thing
I'll say is like when I was going through the

(13:51):
process or whatever, and I was telling my parents, I
was telling, um, I'm like one thing I want. But
my agent is like I understand, like all the basketball
stuff and all the contracts stuff. I know that stuff
is important, But like my biggest thing, what you was.
You never talked about nobody else, no other agencies. You
never bought any of them up. You know what I'm saying, Like,

(14:12):
that's not how you you know, that's not how you
approach the situation. And I appreciate that because you know
a lot of different ones. They do you know they
compare the numbers and all that, Like, I don't really
care about all that, you know what I'm saying. I
want to know, you know how we gonna figure this
out between you and I. You feel me and looks
like why I never really understood that aspect of it
because I think you know I said this before and

(14:35):
I said again, people try to discourage people. Yeah, and
when you lead with discouragement, you really tell a lot
about yourself. And there was no need for me, and
there's still no need for me to talk about what
somebody else isn't doing or how I perceived them. I
can only focus on me, And I felt like for us, hey,

(14:57):
I'm gonna talk about what we do. I can't, oh,
because on what somebody else do. Just like when you
go on the court, you know what somebody else has
done or what they're doing today or did in the
last night game. So for you, when you approach a game,
hey man, I'm coming to win the game no matter
who's across from me. And that's the same way I feel.
And I even told your parents just I wish there

(15:20):
was a situation in which they could put us all
in one room together. Then that way, you wouldn't do
the back by all that stuff stops because you know
they're not going to say certain things while you're present.
And that's just everybody to be a hunt. Yeah, and
if you I mean, it's cowardly. It's what the business
brings forth when you when you talk about trying to discredit.

(15:43):
But again today like men lie, women lie, but the
numbers don't. The numbers don't lie. And to that aspect,
you know, I remember you telling me. You was like, man,
look whatever the teams get me or the organizations getting me,
it's gonna come right to you. I'm not gonna feed

(16:04):
you know bs, I'm not about to sit here a
lie to you. And I'm like, all right, cool, and
I just dream and you're telling me. He was like,
all right, you sat me down like I thought I
did all the little interviews or before I did, because
you know, it's different. It was COVID year. We didn't
have the weren't flying around. Yeah, So he was like,
I'm gonna have your interview your range like eight through

(16:24):
like twenty five, and I'm like eight through twenty five.
Then I'm gonna go eight through twenty five. And I
was like He's like, that's why, that's what I'm hearing.
So it's like, I'm just gonna you know, I'm gonna
be real with you. So it's eight through twenty five,
I think you're probably gonna go. You know, you gave
me like fourteen to twenty twenty two, twenty three somewhere
around there, and I'm like, right there, thenn't there. I'm

(16:45):
upset with the chip. You know, I always played, I've
always had the chip on my shoulder. But I knew
I could trust you because you wasn't feeding me no
bs at the time. And I was telling my mom
was telling me that, like I was upset that I
may go that low because I felt like I was better.
But like I was like, all right, he's telling me
the real stuff because I know for a fact that

(17:05):
he wouldn't. He wouldn't here and tell me that if
you think I'm gonna go, you know, anywhere above that.
And that's one thing another thing that I really appreciate
it because I knew them. I was like, all right, man,
we locked in because he's not feeding me no ps man,
Like he ain't telling me that a lot of people
would tell me, oh, you're gonna low you for sure,
and then you're telling me that. I'm like, okay, then
that means you told me I need to work on

(17:26):
some stuff. I'm like, man, I appreciate that because he not.
He's not sitting here just kissing my tail. He being real. No,
because I think when you think about it, if you
start a relationship off like that, it's never gonna end. Well,
they're on. You have to build a report, you have
to build a respect with one another and accountability with
one another. The other thing, too, is I really didn't

(17:47):
give a damn where you went because I'm spending all
this time with you. I watched you go to two
a days doing the probably the hardest time anybody's lives.
All of us were affected by this COVID situation. Moved
your whole family out to to LA. Was never late,

(18:08):
never missed. I think you might have. I think you
might have worked out with COVID. You just say tell
him for sure, because I'm like, this man ain't that.
I mean, this man ain't got sick nothing. But at
the same time, what I'm seeing I'm telling team on
the other end, so you're not hearing my conversation. I'm
telling to the end. I'm saying, here's what I know

(18:30):
for sure. You draft this kid, he's gonna come in.
He's gonna be the first one in the gym. You
like to kick him out to gym, because we got
to kick him out the gym, I said. And he's
going to compete every night. The money's not going to
manage to him. And I think that's the hardest part,
as you see. And I mean you should talk about
I should say to you, Reeves, when you get to

(18:52):
the league, you're gonna find out really fast. Everybody don't
love the game the way you do. I just tell me.
Did I not tell you that all the time? And
so what I'm looking at is if you look at
the draft and the pre if you look at just
your draft, just just take your draft, bro, If you
do a re draft right now, you go what three? Yeah,

(19:15):
somewhere around then it's Aunt man, it's Anthony Edwards, LaMelo
probably still it's LaMelo, and then it's you. Right for
the most part, I think you could throw Haliburton in.
There was he in your drafts. Burden Dean, yeah, by
the way, but although both of those guys would be
higher than what they went as quick quickly be as

(19:37):
hired as what he would. So that tells you what. Like,
I just always tell you these people they're not robots
making these picks. They miss, but they didn't miss. They
actually got it right for you. See, that's what people
understand over picked Man. I was just about to say
that you sat like, you sat me down and you
sell it, you think about it. I'm what nineteen year old? Yeah,

(19:59):
and you tell let me that, and I'm like, fit
on pick Man. Listen here, I ain't trying to hear that.
I'm trying to go as far as I can. I'm
trying to you know what I'm saying. I want to
hear my name called top fourteen lottery. That's all you
know as a kid like because you come up in
a system that's based upon rankings, and so they setting
you up for this failure. If you go back to
some of the drafts. I looked at the draft I

(20:21):
think this was twenty eleven, twenty eleven, twenty twelve. Anyway,
Jay Crowder was thirty three, Draymond was thirty five, Chris
Middleton was thirty nine, and joke it was forty one.
So thet who in the first round. Oh, that's what

(20:44):
I'm saying. If you go back to these drafts, there's
only sixty picks. Out of the sixty picks, probably only
maybe eleven to twelve percent of those guys actually get
to second deals of any significance. What does that tell you?
That tells you that whether I go one or sixty one, man,
I got to get here and do the job. When

(21:04):
you got drafted, I said to you, Reese, it starts over.
How your fun tonight? Because tomorrow you become one of
what four fifty and you have to continue to prove
yourself over and over again. And the one thing that
goes that's very underrated about the NBA, about any sports organization, NBA, MLB, NFL,

(21:25):
et ceter, hockey, there's a draft every year. Every you
don't skip years, you get what I'm saying. And when
you break down, when you break you're playing with two guys,
James and Joel. He's never not started since Houston. So
James been the league what thirteen years? Fourteen years and

(21:45):
fourteen Okay, that's at least ten years of a starting
role that he's played. So if you're a point guard
coming out, that job is taken now just break it down,
Chris Paul F. Curry. You know, the list goes on
in land, so when you break it down, it's not

(22:06):
that much opportunity. And when you talk about professionalism, which
is what I was really impressed with as it pertained
to you going into training camp. Before going to training camp,
we talked and I remember talking. I remember calling sath
Canseil and I said to him, he was like, yeah,
you know, young fellow coming, ain't gonna be all you know, Sam, No,

(22:27):
Hein's not gonna be all right. He's gonna be here
an important part. You don't understand what's going on here.
And he called me the second day of training camp
and he was like, he called me, no double R,
double R. You're right, bro, he said, Man, I told
doc Gee, we gotta play, Max, I got to play.

(22:49):
He said. I said, no, no, no, no no. I said,
I'm trying to tell you I've been with this man
for five six months straight. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny because
I was I get in the training for you. I
had COVID so I couldn't go to training camp one time.
So now I'm I'm freaking out, man, Like I remember that. Yeah,
I'm like you know, I talked to you, I'm talking
to be I'm talking to my mom and dad. I'm
now I'm freaking out because you know, I've always been

(23:11):
that guy on time, Like I'm early earlies on time.
One time is late. So I'm thinking I'm gonna get
in training camp, get there early, work hard, I'm gonna
show everybody while belong here and nope, we're gonna scratch that.
You got COVID. You're gonna show up training camp, Blake,
and you're a rookie. And I'm on a team with
with Ben, with Joe, with Tobias, with Seth Curry, Danny Green,

(23:32):
the White House. I'm like, now I'm freaking out, seriously,
Like I'm now I'm really freaking out because I'm gonna
be late to training camp and not they don't even
know who I am really, so like I already gotta
earn my stripe. So I remember coming in I'm on
like the fourth stream, but the first day of training
camp and think about I'm already sheld shot because I'm
this is my first time here and the NBA. I'm

(23:53):
really in the NBA. But Sam Casell, like you said,
you pulled me to the side, and he said, look,
you know R Pevens saying that you can hoop. KP said,
you can hoo, Cal said you can. Who don't, don't
be nervous, don't be scared. We're gonna put you on
the on the third fourth team right here because it's
like twenty two people. Yes, he said, you're gonna put
you on the fourteen. I had a red penny on.

(24:14):
I got to wear a pinion in the NBA. Like
what I'm thinking, I'm gonna have a normal jersey. So
I had a penny on. I'm like, oh my god.
I came later and putting me on the penny squad.
But Um and I went out there and I remember
we played like this little pick and roll, a multi
pick and roll game, and we won. We won a
little drill men and um we had like Isaiah Joe

(24:35):
the Koda matthis uh Paul read and we won. We
won a little drill. And the next day they put
me on the second unit team and I played good
on the second team. And the next day I remember
coach doctor Ry go Greg. I said, go Greg. So
now I'm great. I'm with then, I'm with Tobias, I'm
with Danny Green and his meat. So I'm like, now,

(24:57):
I'm like, because now you know one thing that I
I appreciate it you telling me and Chris told me this,
um Cal even told me is coming in. You're not
gonna be a star, you know what I'm saying, especially
going twenty one, You're not You're not a you know what,
a main guy. So it's like you don't have to
learn how to playoff like off other people got the
hardest party. Man, I'm telling you that was that was

(25:19):
crazy for me because I didn't know how to Joe
well play. I mean, I was kind of familiar with Ben.
I mean I was kind of man with Tobias game
and kind of sense. But like, I know what to
expect playing with that group. So now I'm nervous. I'm
scared to shoot. I'm scared. And that was the growth
I think I've had over the years. Like you know
that you told me that you like, you know, during
the season when I was going through that a little bit,

(25:40):
you said, man, you belong. You called me and said
you belong, and that was it. You belong. You know,
it don't matter, None of the other stuff matter, because
one thing about the NBA, there's so many variables as
it pertains to playing time and starting, come off the
bench and injuries and you know where to positioned that

(26:01):
and so oftentimes it may be a split. It may
be the coaching staff may want to see something, the
front office may want to see something else, and it
may just happen to fall on you. So now you're like, well, damn,
is it is? It? Is it me? But once you
go into that mindset and you've never experienced this before,

(26:24):
I remember I was telling you and your parents, like,
he's going to go into a situation that he's he's
always been the guy always when you get to the NBA,
I mean, it's not really the guy. Even if you
think you the guy, you're not really you know because
again you and by the way I said this too,
you're not used to losing. So you going to a

(26:46):
team that was gonna lose every night would have been
even more frustrating for you as a player. You have
lost your mind, I would have so by the by
you going to the Sixers, getting that experience playing and
then you know it couldn't it couldn't have happened better
for you to where you come in your second year
and now I'm starting Yea, you know it's funny. It's

(27:08):
funny because throughout the year, you know, it was time
I didn't play of course, like two a week. So roller,
I always say that Reese, it's going to be a
roller coach, because yeah, you told me. You called me.
So when we had code, a lot of guys had COVID.
I go out there, I have like thirty nine something
like that, forty and I'm playing good for a stretch
and you called me during that stretch, you said, look, now,

(27:30):
guys are going to come back, so I need you
to I need you to know you're gonna go back
to the bench. You're gonna be back into that role. Yeah. Yeah,
And me thinking like, I ain't going back to note
I just had forty, yes, and yeah, I'm ain't going
back to the bench. Sure enough, everybody came back. I man,
I went from playing thirty minutes to not playing at all.
We played the Lakers and I didn't get into the

(27:52):
second half, and that was the day. I'm like, oh
my goodness, I just had forty. But like you know,
that's that's what happens. And it's like you never let
them see that and see, that's what people have to understand.
And that's what all these young guys come to the
league have to understand. When you and again in my road,
when you're picking an agent, you have to make sure

(28:13):
that they understand all those dynamics. Can't be no stat
sheet agent, you know, and most of them go to
bed before ten o'clock. So how to hit possible? You
know what's going on. You get what I'm saying. But
yet and still you sold me this in this power
point or you decided, oh, I'm not going to charge you. Well,

(28:35):
wait a minute, there ain't a place in America that
don't charge. How does that make sense? And so what
we're experiencing now, especially in our business, and again I
also appreciate that about you, we had these conversations. What
we're experiencing now is everybody's looking to take shortcuts, but
life don't give you a shot. How I'm going to

(28:55):
take a shortcut in something, but life presents something else
to me? So what instance that make And what it
does is it sets the athlete up for failure. And
we're seeing it right before our eyes time and time
and time again. But that's the thing that's the catch
twenty two. I'm going to do this for free. We
got all this presentation, but then there's no follow through.

(29:17):
You know, I don't know how many processes you've been through,
but I've been through a million of them. I know
kids have been through a million of them, and I
can guarantee you ninety nine point nine percent of them.
That PowerPoint had no power within it. You know, I
don't even remember a PowerPoint. I'm just saying, whatever it was,
whatever the pitch was. Yeah, but I didn't do No,

(29:39):
we didn't have that said, I don't know. We didn't
even have I don't I don't like that. I like
conversation and being able to to you know, to become
cordial with one another. But that's the thing. This is
a roller coaster for some people. There's very few people
that can come right in. I mean, look, Kobe even
had it. Kobe shot three air balls in the place offs,

(30:01):
but he came back and became the Kobe that we
all know. He didn't start there, right, And so now
you got this is your third year. You showed the
rest of the league you can play, and even this
year you come off the bench this year, So you
have to be able to take that on the chin.
It's gonna be and obviously I know you didn't love it,

(30:24):
but at the same time you was a pro about
And while we're on that topic, it's funny because, like
you know me, I always first thing first, I'm gonna
try to figure everything out on my own before I
call my mom. I'm gonna talk to be because he here,
but I don't don't want to call my parents. I
don't want to call on my dad. And as much

(30:45):
as we talked out to every game I made to
be here, you saying I'm good, I'm good, which was yeah,
which I knew you was it. That's okay. I wait
till you get to right, and then it was a
day where you can't. You know, you can't. You said, man,
talk to me because we have that type relationship, and
I just feel like everybody don't have that. And it's
funny because like i'd be telling people like it's so funny,

(31:06):
which I don't care, but they think. But it's like that, man, man,
you you man, you don't talk to your age and man, y'all,
don't talk to y'all, don't talk to rich I'm like, bro,
I talk to rich all the time, bro, Like after
every game I talked to him, he called, Like, that's
beside the point. But you called me and you checked them,
You checked on me, and you was like, hey, man,
like talk to me, what's going on? Like how you
feel about this? Like really how you feel? And I

(31:28):
told you, and you know, the first thing you said,
like one other reason why I appreciate you having you
is all right, well let's let's let's let's handle this.
Then let's figure let's figure this out. Yea, and let's
let's figure the situation out. And you said you did
your job. You was professional about it. You can't you
play off the bench. You do whatever you have to do.
And you know you helped your team as much as
you could. But you know you gotta be happy too.

(31:48):
And that's one thing I feel like a lot of
people don't know about. You go to bath for your people,
you go to back for your players, go to back
for your clients, and uh yeah, First of all, I
don't know why somebody would come to you and ask you. Yeah,
I mean that's just probe and these guys whatever. But yes,
but there's a timing that comes with that. If I

(32:09):
do that right away, it's not impactful. You know, you
got allowed to build some equity in that space to say, Okay, hey,
what we're doing now, because at the same time you
get you guys, do ready go into the playoffs? This
guy's a very valuable piece of your success Mentally, this

(32:29):
game at this level is ninety five percent mental. For sure.
Everybody in the NBA is talented, sure, but separates guys,
it's that mental toughness for sure, and so definitely because
it's it's our especially and then you could add the
mental toughness that playing in the NBA, and then you
can add it on top of playing in Philly, which

(32:50):
I love it here, yes, but it's you know, and
Phillies and Phillies gonna hold you accountable. That's and that's
why they love you. But at the same time I
wanted you because even talking to your mom and dad,
I said, this is good for Tyree's See, you have
to be able to have these experiences, man, because even

(33:14):
just about basketball, everything in life ain't gonna go your way.
You know what I'm saying, Like where they do that,
you know, like what's going on here? But but I
had a conversation things change and you know, and so
now we're back to getting it. But that's the part
of it, and that's also a part of that reciprocity,
right and everything. You don't have to be screaming and

(33:37):
yelling and punching and kicking and fighting. No, it's just
a conversation, and I just want you to know, Yeah,
conversation has been had. Keep doing what you're doing. Let's
see where we go from here and when from your
minutes going back to thirty minutes until you back to
be in the start lineup. Because at the end of
the day, it has to go that way because your

(33:58):
play is going to determine everything. Right. That's another thing
what people understand, Oh, man, I should be starting I
should be doing this, Well not really, Yeah, you run
about that. You know you can't. I mean you you're
shooting thirteen percent from three From that perspective, I don't
know if I can agree with you with that. And

(34:18):
I had to play that role too as an agent.
I had to be able to tell my guy like
I don't really have man. I mean, but then again,
that's why I go. That's that goes back to the
beginning what I was saying, like, you keep it on hunting. Yeah,
I mean you, like you the fact that you told
me after I had that series of games, like all right,

(34:40):
now look here, you know, you're averaging twenty five the
last five games, but the team won two games. Okay,
that won two games and Joel embiating them coming back
and you're going back to going back to that bitch,
to that warm up. Man. No, I ain't, man, I ain't,
no way I'm going back to the bitch. Yeah. It's
like for you to be able to you to have
the relationship with your people and your players and your

(35:01):
whole entire like company, that you can have those types
of conversations with what you have to bro. Like you
just I mean again, you know me, man, whatever are
you gonna do? Do it? You know, because at this
point I didn't come this far. But it comes from
a place of truth. And I've been in situations where
guys have been upset at me for a couple of
days and don't speak to me for a couple of days,

(35:22):
but then they come back and be like, you know what, Bro,
he was right, you know, And it ain't even about
being right, It's just about it's just about in the
moment we got to digest the right food. You know
what I'm saying, And we can't be everything can't be
sugar or it just don't work like that. You gotta
you need some the proper nourishment. And I'm like that

(35:42):
as you know about everything. Everything. Yeah, it don't matter
what it is, even even down to like just how
you treat your people. See, here's the thing for a
lot of athletes, and this is one thing I loved
about you when it came to value people's time. If
I say to you, your Reese, we're going to lunch

(36:02):
at two o'clock, you ain't getting there at two thirty
two five. You're not gonna do that if we have
a meeting. I'm not sure most guys understand the importance
of valuing other people's time, even when you are the talent.
That's very true because it tells a lot about you.

(36:23):
It tells even more about you when you can be
the talent but be someone that's leading from a place
of integrity and professionalism all the time. Even though I
know I'm the guy, it's even more impressive when the
guy is early. Yeah, yeah, that's and before we move on,
that's what I'm gonna saying. This, that's one thing. That

(36:43):
another thing that you're talking earlier, Like we went to
my first little you know, signing, a little marketing whatever
it was, and you're saying, all right, it started two,
I'll meet you there at one forty five. You know
what I'm saying. And it's like that and that's how
you know, like right then, and they're like, ain't no
game is being played, No, this is real. And you said,
the way these people have perceived you, now, it's the

(37:05):
relationship you make with them right now. It's gonna be
ten years down the line. You never know. We never
know where that person, that person can be who they
tear today and then at another company to mark they're
gonna remember, Oh when I worked with Tyrese Maxon, he
was great. Oh I got a budget. The first person
I'm calling is Tyrese Maxi because he's not gonna embarrass me.
I got a new role, a new job. I need

(37:27):
to align with people I know I can count them.
I don't know if a lot of athletes understand that.
I don't know if the people around them understand that
just because you're the breadwinner don't mean you get to
be disrespectful and you get to slight people and know
it should be the other way around. You should be
even more generous, you should even more engaging and understood.

(37:48):
You walk in the room, Hey, man, how you doing.
How y'all doing? You know, hey, I'm Tyreese. How you doing.
It's like, guys, don't understand that. We get it. We
know you're the guy. We understanding that. You told me.
That's from day one, and that's also they come from
my family, of course, but you told me. Look, that's
one thing that that's different about you. Then a lot
of the players in the league is that you know,

(38:10):
the way you carry yourself, the way you treat people,
it's gonna go along, going along. I feel like it's
going along way with the city that I played in there,
with the organization, with from top to bottom everything. You
know what I'm saying. When you used to by the way,
I tell people this all the time, it's like, man,
Tyresa called me, yeah, yo, what you're doing? How you digging?
I'm like, huh, I'm just checking in on you. I'm like,

(38:33):
I'm on the same place. I'm on the couch at
least I'm watching games whatever. But I appreciated that because
when you're in the representation business and when you wear
the aging hat, like you watch these shows on ESPN
and a lot of them are off, you know, but
at the same time they try to describe the agent
as like a negative thing or it's like a black cloud,

(38:56):
or don't put that on everybody because everybody ain't like that.
First of all, I'm not thirsty for the money, first
of all, so don't group me into all of that.
And secondly, no, there's a reason why you don't know,
one company a significance that don't have representation, you know,
not one why they have representation to protect what they

(39:20):
built and the assets that comes within. And so I
always say that to people, like you want to treat
people even better than you would want to be treated
as an athlete, because you're not gonna always be in
the spotlight and that matters, that really, really really matters,
and so you do it naturally. It can be learned,

(39:44):
but it just takes an effort. You know, you have
to care about other people, have to be polite. I
watch how people treat waiters and waitresses, man, yo, let
me help, Hey yo screaming and yep, no we're not
doing that. It's excuse me, sir, you get a chance,
can you help me? That's how it should be even
and I'm paying the bill, Yeah, I'm paying the bill,

(40:07):
but come on, man like, we have to just get
better at that. And so if I'm not saying that
I'm perfect or I've done all things right, yeah, but
along the way, I've been able to mold myself into
becoming the person I am today. And so I try
to give as much as I can back. Whenever a

(40:28):
client of mine is missing, I want to give it
to him. And if I don't have it to give,
I know where it lies. I'm going to get it
to give that to them, you know, because y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all,
I'm making a ton of money, but you have to
realize the money don't matter. Nope. And that's another thing
that people don't understand. The money don't matter. I think
I got I got a few more things if I

(40:49):
let you go, I got a few more. One I
want to talk about, how like you know the way
you this is funny, the way you are able to
allow you your clients too. You can bring you bring them,
you bring deals to them, you bring certain marketing deals
to them right, which you allow us to make the decision.
You know what I'm saying. Like you've bought different market

(41:12):
deals to me in the past. You know, not speak
on that, but like you let me decide what I
wanted to do, and I feel like that you doing
that has made me so much smarter in tune to
the business aspect of things that like, it means a lot.
It means a lot to me because it's done wonders
for me. It doesn't work like now, Like you know,

(41:33):
usually you've been women so out of nineteen, so when
I'm nineteen, my mind is so much different there now
at just twenty two and it was at nineteen. And
that's part of the reasons that is because of you.
You let me, You let me go through the trial,
lets you let me make them stay, let me bump
my head and how we're here, because that's the only
way you learn. But I tell you one thing, I've
seen it growth. You've grown tremendously from when you first

(41:57):
came in leagues now and I know you know obviously
you know you got to be here with you every day.
So he's been through something. And that's the thing that
guys understand just because somebody don't have the money or
the cash that you may have, that don't mean they
don't know nothing. They went through twenty times the things
that you began, so you know, like just valuing and

(42:20):
appreciating that to start. But ultimately, I've always said to you,
Reese are one of our first conversations, if not the
first conversation. I said, I want you to understand not
just the game of basketball, but the business that surrounds it.
There's nobody by the way, I'm no offense, but and
I say this from a very humble perspective, there ain't

(42:42):
nobody on top of me that I need to prove
myself to get what I'm saying. I'm not chasing commissions.
I want you, guys, if there was a right deal
for you and we made no money, it's the right
deal for you, that's fine, But I want you to
understand the deal, understand your tell me what's important to you.

(43:03):
And if you made the decision that was less money,
but you felt what's best for you, then that's what
we're going with her. And that's why I think, Yeah,
but sometimes in our business, you know, you see it
all the time, people try to you know, turn the
furniture around a certain way to make the room look
at her. I know I'm not doing that. The room
is the room. You control the room, evaluated properly, and

(43:25):
you make the best decision for you. I'm gonna get
the money where it's supposed to be. You're gonna pu yeah,
but you got to make the best decision for you,
for you. And and that goes back to what I've
been saying the whole time. I'm just you know, reiterated stuff.
You didn't lie about what you know straight up, you
straight up, straight forward you told my parents and I
this is what's on the tape. This is this is

(43:46):
what's not on the tape. Okay, and you know, you know,
you know my mom wall you know how shares. Yeah,
they they've heard her talk. But like she's a bulldog,
she said, well, why do you can't do this? The
wilder Candians where you said Miss Denis, Miss MAXI, this
is what's on the table, and you want me to
go back and asking or fight for it. I'll go
back and fight. You're going back and fighting you whatever
you are doing. You come back from something else and

(44:07):
would say this this was on the table up, and
it was never no beating around the bush. It was
never no you know, gray areas. It was black and white.
And that's what I think a lot of people, you know,
appreciate that they don't get is like the real and
the black and white and authentic aspect of it. Because
a lot of people like to beat around the bush.
A lot of people like the rub edges and that

(44:30):
I feel like that hurts us as players, and that
hurts us as um you saying something, you're saying something, Yeah,
that hurts saying something. The reason because you get you
get ready to go down that road. I'm telling you
a lot of people don't want the truth, right. See,
that's what you never understand and people fail to realize
they act like they do. But you really don't want

(44:51):
somebody that's gonna be a matter of fact with you
all the time because it are because and also the
environment you've been pushed through. If you think about it
a you on, I'm not gonna play with this, say
I'm gonna go over here because they got me a laptop,
or they they're paying for my trip or paying friends.
So now it's starting to develop this mentality within you

(45:12):
that oh, I can't. The only way I'm doing something
and the only way someone showing me how they love
me is by giving me more. So, now, when you
get to the point where you have to choose an
agent and somebody say, well, I'm you know what, man,
you're so cold. Man, Man, I knew he was gonna
be nice. I ain't gonna charge you nothing or for free. Yeah,

(45:33):
but but wait a minute, but what happens on my
so on my second deal, you're not gonna charge you
nothing either, because if that's the case, then you gotta deal.
I don't know if that's the case, you gotta but
but see, that's it. But that's the thing. And so
what happens is that our environment and families have become

(45:55):
accustomed to just that. So when you see a lot
of the situations today, it's because of not expertise that's
not being valued, not receipts that's not being value either.
It's because of you told me that I look great.
I'm always gonna look great and it's never gonna change.

(46:16):
And because of that, I'm with you. Yea, even though
you just started, or even though you screwed something up prior,
even though you don't have no experience, you don't have
no clients. But you also said to me, I'm gonna
be your only guy. And because of that, man, that
sounds good to me, because all attention is gonna be

(46:36):
on me. You see what they? You see what they?
What's happening here? And when you're thirty five and you've
done playing and you've only gotten that over the past
fifteen years, are you transition? You can't. Yeah, I can't.
You cannot transition. But no one wants to hear that.
That's like granny, you should say, you know, that's too

(46:58):
much like right, so you know they don't want to
hear that. Trust. Yeah, but yeah, that's see, that's and
that that leads me to the last like kind of
concept that I asked, you know, I had in my
mind to talk about. Is this the whole time I've
been doing this, like you know Max on the mic
and this podcasting is um one thing I really wanted

(47:19):
people to see is like life ain't easy. Like they
from the outside of looking in, they think, you know,
we just of course you score twenty five, you got
a big house. That's what the life is. You know
what I'm saying, Like we I wanted you know, I've
had everybody I've had on hered the DGS the quick
I wanted them to talk about, like how they dealt

(47:39):
with the mental aspect of like the failures and the like.
Me and DG sat and talk with fifteen minute straight
about how he was raided the you know, the he said,
the worst statistically, the worst players rookie year. Yeah, and
in the entire NBA. Come on, man, yeah, exactly after
going top five whatever you want. You know what I'm saying,

(48:01):
going top five only playing four games? Five games? But
how do you go from that to a max contract? See?
This is the These are the things that it's so
crazy to me when you but think about it, if
you just think about opportunity and coaching, that plays a
major role. Look at the player today versus the player.

(48:23):
Then it ain't the player, that's for sure. And and
some of it was on him probably you know, the
game slows down, et cetera. But the worst person in
the league. But again, it was great for him. And
that's what I want to talk about. How what motivated
you to become this and how to like where did

(48:44):
it come from the lives within the industry to our
young men, the manipulation and the false hopes that was
positioned and fed to you with cash icing. You get
what I'm saying, and so and so. The lack thereof
is something that they focused on from a financial stability perspective,

(49:08):
and they hid it behind the fact that you know,
I care so much while building a business on the
back of it. You get what I'm saying, that we
didn't control. There was nobody like me. No, no, no,
you know, I get veteran players all the time to say, damn,
which I wish when I was playing that we had
someone such as yourself. I realized right away, honestly, these guys,

(49:30):
I mean not really that good. I get it. I
see the game that's being played, right, And so I
decided to jump out there and to start my own business.
And everyone thought it was based upon money. No, because
I was offered plenty of money by other agencies, but
I didn't want to do that. I came to disrupt
the game. That's what I came to do and change

(49:51):
the game. And now today you see more and more
young men and women wanting to be agents, and I
encouraged them all too. By the way, I had a
conversation with a young man who's a registered agent, And
I said to him, if you ever need me to
be on the call with you to help you get
the client, not for me. I don't want no split,
I don't want nothing. I will do that for you

(50:15):
because I know how hard it is and I know
the challenges. You know, they spread around every article that
there was false that I was in, they passed it around. Oh,
he messed it something, he messed it up. But when
the truth come out, you didn't see me say nothing.
But when the truths come out, they don't pass that around.
You get what I'm saying. So, but I'm used to
it because of how I grew up. How I grew

(50:37):
up shape me in a way in which, honestly, what
I go through from an injury Street's perspective is kind
of child's play too, because because I was dealing with
real life situations, right, and I know the guys that
send an anonymous Texas and telling the lies to the
parents and things like that gonna be the same guys

(50:57):
that either see me coming in an arena and go
the other way, or don't come out to men's bathroom
because of whatever, or smile on my face and shake
my hand knowing it just told a lie and it
guess what, I got a great mattress with I don't
even know the thread count of the sheets because I
don't think it's one. But I sleep, but I sleep

(51:19):
very well because because hey man, you know I don't.
I don't have nothing to lie about it. And by
the way, when when guys get guys, I congratulate them.
I'm a gentleman and a scholar at times, but I'm
a gentleman first, and so when you think about it
from that perspective, I'm trying to change that part of
the game too, all this backbiting and kicking out. Hey man, congratulations, brother,

(51:42):
I appreciate. I see that on the road whatever, and
I have some of that report with some of the
agents in the business. But you know, it's a it's
a throw rocks and hide your hand type of industry.
But you can't let that distract you. It's like a
fan when you're at the free throw line and they stream.
That's how I feel. That's how I feel, And what's
for us and for me it's gonna be for me,

(52:04):
and what's for all there's gonna be for others. And
that's how we rock and it's far. I had an
issue with it, and you you build a situation, like
you said, it's not for everybody, and that's why you
have the amount of players you have, amount of people
you have, but you have to do a very difficult
process to find who you want to be a part
of anything that goes beyond the players, beyond the talent,

(52:27):
you know what I'm saying. That's one thing that I
think a lot of people try to push to the
side sometimes the talent, man, this kid, talents it that
don't mean nothing, That don't mean nothing, that didn't mean anything. Yeah,
you look at a family. You look at me. Everything
you looked at you know, yeah, everything, and twins, twin everything.
I looked at everything exactly. But but that's again, when
it's them, it's genius. When it's me, it's bullying, you

(52:50):
know what I'm saying. When they have Lebron or when
they had Michael Jordan, when they had Russell rest or whomever,
it's we got this player, you know, or Kevin Durant,
whoever it may be, those star guys. When it's me,
it's only about this person. I didn't mention the brown

(53:11):
one time in our conversation. Didn't need to you get
what I'm saying. When it's them, oh, you know, they're
in client is great when it's me, Oh he owns
your company? Where we do that at? Where does that
even come from? But this is all the things. And
I like to be on these type of platforms because
let's get it out there, let's really get it. Let's

(53:34):
have a conversation because we know this is not factual,
but yet and still they you know, they don't want
to have it. And I've been through the fire. I've
been through the fire. I stood next to guys when
they get drafted. I stood next to guys who was
pouring down raining and I'm standing right there with him,
getting soaking wet and ain't budget. So you know, yeah,

(53:56):
I'm in it for the long haul and after you've
done playing, I'm in it, you know. But the communication
a lot of athletes, one thing about communicating is not
something that they love to do. Yeah, that's facts, you know,
And so it's not that that it goes both ways.
And so I you know, I like to talk to
the guys. I'm gonna be truthful with them. I'm also

(54:18):
gonna give you things before they happen. And if you
decide to go down the path and go away from
the advice and I giving you, then I can't do
nothing about that, you know, But I can say I try. Yeah,
you can say you're kept with a hunting and like
I said, I've been saying the whole time, I appreciate
you for that. But lastly, this last thing I have
for you. So every every week on the show, every episode,

(54:39):
I've had people, not myself concluded, but like DG i
Q my family. I've had them say what they want
to get one percent better at in the upcoming week
and what they were thankful for from last week that
they had. They don't have to be from last week,
but like one just overall, Yeah, one thing you're thankful
and one thing that you want to get one percent
better at end upcoming weeks. Man, I don't know if

(55:01):
it's one thing I'm thankful for a lot, because I
have a lot to be thankful for. I think you know.
Obviously my family, I'm extremely thankful because I've always been
that kid in the family or in my When I
say family, I'm talking about my community and just everywhere
I go. I've always been that person and I feel

(55:21):
like people really had eye out for and a protection
of and so I'm extremely thankful for that. My kids,
you know, my family, my team. Obviously, I don't do
this stuff by myself. You know, I think people don't
understand the work that goes into every day for us.
Sometimes I don't even know if some of the players

(55:43):
understand how much goes into it. The one thing I
did realize is that guys that come from other agencies,
they realize like holy smokes. And then there's some guys
that started with us that actually goes out and spread
the word like you know, we it's a lot, bro
And then you know, like I'm just in a great
I'm a I'm in a great space in my life.

(56:05):
Just a lot of things that's going my way, from
relationships to business. It's been great. It's been the journey
and and and the challenges and all those things. I
appreciate them all because, like you know, it mos you
and I've always been that person that no matter what,
it's been a fight for everything I had to do.
Growing up. You know, my mom wasn't really present like that,

(56:27):
and so that that does something to a young kid.
And so to fight through that and make good be
a good person, and all those things. I'm extremely thankful
for just the resilience to be able to continue to
push forward. One thing I would like to get better
and do better. You know, I try to perfect. I
try to get better at my at my job. From

(56:49):
a leadership perspective, you know, when you are the seal
of a company, when you have partners you know my
partnership with UTA and me being on the board and
the head of sports at UTA, you know you have
to pivot somewhat right and so. And then also like
just being a leader, being a quote unquote decision maker,

(57:09):
you have to put yourself in the shoes of others.
You have to be have an ear and listen and
really try to allow people to express themselves and want
to see them grow. And so over the last eighteen months,
I think I've gotten better. Georgia can tell you offline
if I did or not, But I think I've gotten
better from that perspective, and I want to continue to
get better at that. And I also want to continue

(57:31):
to get better just as a dad, you know, like
it's a big responsibility to be a day. I don't
know if the kids understood because you know, I have
a dog. You have a dog, you know, but you
know it's it's it's that's that's the thing where you

(57:52):
just anybody that's been in my shoes or been away
from their kids and could attest to that like it's
a it's an ongoing challenge every day to help him
understand the sacrifice is being made while also feeling the
need to be around him. You know, my oldest son
is about to be he is he's fifteen years old,

(58:13):
rich and my youngest is seven. So you know, it's
like you know that time, that time is a real
and so understanding. Okay, when the sacrifice when to put
the phone down and then try to spend that time
And you got all these different things going on, but
you have to, you know, prioritize from that perspective. And
so just trying to get get better at that. And
so I'm loving it. I enjoyed it. This idea that oh,

(58:36):
when Lebron boys a team, Richard's going with him. False
or you know, Richard's not gonna be an agent anymore. False,
Richards turned his focus off. That's all untrue for the
for the agents out there that's pushing that to families
to gain an edge. You know that doesn't make sense.
Just hey, man, just do your thing and may the

(58:57):
best man wins. How I look at it, you know,
I'm enjoying it. I love you know, our guys, and
I will say this. We become a really big company
and trying to maintain the boutique field has been great.
Sometimes there's so much going on that I had to
get caught up on the day where I'm used to

(59:17):
knowing everything that's going on. So that's been a positive challenge.
You know, that's been a positive challenge for the better.
But it's great. Man. I'm appreciate, and I'm also appreciate
with you, man, like you know, reach you you, I
watched you grow. I don't consider myself you're Asian. I'm
a family member to y'all. Kicking out your family at
this point. Yeah, we're gonna no, I really, I really,

(59:41):
I really believe that. And you know when I talk
to your mom, talk to your dad, you know me
and be talk all the time, and you talk all
the time, it's just like it's not even a job
for me at this point. You know, it don't feel
like that, even though I know I got things to
do it. Don't feel like that. Like we went to
us open this summer, it's like great, we hug out
kicked its like just you know, it's just calling. You know,

(01:00:01):
it's just me thinking that are we on our way?
Let me hit recent BC with Dantown there is man,
come on up, let's let's just hang out. B said
something before we get off, and B says something about
you that it's funny. He says, every time we go
have lunch or we go anywhere with RP, he gives
you a chance to broaden your horizon and like Briden,

(01:00:24):
who you like, you're gonna meet somebody or you're gonna
you know, experience something. So that's what it's supposed to be. Yeah,
it's every single time, and it's like you're taking us
to you. It's hoping that just that made me one.
I'm coming home now. I'm watching watching three am. It's
a tennis that's five sets. I'm sitting here watching that
at three am. Tune like I'm hyped out for some

(01:00:46):
of my workouts to the sometime I'm playing a tennis
like and it's a different type of workout, but you
just you broughten the horizon and you you know, it's
it's that's something that we've both said, we always talked
about that we really appreciate you, you know, because that's
the real that's the real gift back to me. I
think for me, like you know, I want you to
be on point as much as you possibly could be.

(01:01:07):
And and I just really enjoyed the company I can.
I hang with all my guys, whether last night you
know we talk Zach take the phone, Yeah, talking about
hanging Yeah, because that's how I go over DG house.
I'm sleep on the couch. His reminder even seeing him,
he come out, he like, I ain't know you was here.
You know, I got to can go to his house,
got the garage cold, whatever. And it's the same way

(01:01:28):
you in La you want to come to mine. I
don't even I could be in Alaska. You can go
over and do whatever you need to do. So it's
just that's the report we have and I'm appreciative of it.
And so we'll we'll continue that and you know, good
luck on the rest of the season. Playoffs is coming up,
so now the real season get ready to start and
and make this run. So but now I appreciate you

(01:01:49):
guys for having me on MAXI on the mic. I've
been enjoying the posit. You're pretty good at this. I
don't listen. We'll keep the main thing the main thing.
We ain't about to be on the Joe Rogan no no, no, no,
no no no. Gilly and Willow. Yeah, I love Guillian
Willow too, but we stand on that court show show.

(01:02:12):
That's the main thing. Is the main thing. Now, this
was fun though, Thank you, No, I appreciate you having
Uh We're gonna go to break for a second, y'all,
and uh, thank ya opportunity and uh, this is gonna
be a good one episode five RPO fire for sure,
for sure. All Right, we're back from break and uh

(01:02:41):
man that's ah, that was a that was a hell
of episode. Honestly, man, that's all I can really say
because all that was authentic and there was no topics, nothing,
nothing that was all off the brain. That's just a
real conversation and that's just how our relationship have been.
That's how we've kind of went about this entire situation.
And one thing that he didn't mention is like I

(01:03:04):
have you know, he's made this big family, this clutch family,
so it's like everybody is connected. You know, the players
are connected. We're cool with each other, the families are connected.
Like like you said, you know he can go to DG.
How he d say, I'm in Cleveland. I'm about to
go to your crib. When i landed in Cleveland this

(01:03:24):
last time we played them, I text DG because you know,
me and DG even cool for you know, we go
way back. But I text DG like, hey, bro, I'm
just checking in, just touch down the city. He's like,
oh man, I'm in Charlotte. Go by the crib and
you know, make sure my crib straight. I'm like, all right, cool,
send me to colle you know what I'm saying, Like,
that's the type of company, that's the type of agency
he's built, and that's just that's great. Man, that's gonna

(01:03:45):
be a great list. I'm not gonna do It's hard
to back that up by myself, so I'm not gonna
do too much talking about it. So um yeah, man,
I thank y'all for listening to Max Shoon the mic.
Please rate, review and subscribe, and I'll see y'all next time.
About to go up here some good food and watch
this game and Hopefully we get this dub against Toronto
tomorrow