September 25, 2024 • 47 mins
Josh kicks off today's episode solo, as Dylan and Thomas are too ashamed to admit how right he was at the start of the season. Josh highlights the significant gap in points scored between the top RBs and the top WRs this season. He then introduces a new league-mate, Tanner, whom Josh refers to as the Exchange’s "annoying older brother." Listen in as Josh and Tanner discuss how they’ve used dynasty fantasy football to navigate real-life principles and explore other unexpected, quirky applications of this great hobby.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nasty. Oh yeah, welcome back in to the Dynasty Exchange.
This is usually the part of the show where I
have a super clever analogy that's in left field, that
makes no sense and has no relation to fantasy football,
(00:22):
that I will tie into a Monday Night football reaction,
leaving my co hosts Dylan or Thomas completely flabbergasted as
to how I made the connection. Well, sadly, tonight, there's
gonna be no metaphor because I have no co hosts.
Dylan is on paternity leave, and obviously we wish him
the best because real life and family is only slightly
more important than fantasy football, but really glad he's away
(00:43):
for all the right reasons. Thomas, however, got beat so
bad by Jamar Chase and he and I's rivalry matchup
that I just I feel like he decided not to show. No,
the real case is technical difficulties. He will be back
next week, but I'm rock and solo, so you guys
are trapped with me with my unfiltered thoughts until my
good friend and I shouldn't say good friend, he's under
a lot of scrutiny in the Main League. My buddy
(01:05):
Tanner Reclis will be joining me after the break. Just
gonna do a quick monologue here, give you guys my
unfiltered thoughts, and thankfully Dylan is not here to check
any of them whatsoever with bad data, because he would
have you believing Anthony Richardson is a great quarterback and
better than Justin Fields. Well through first three weeks. I'm
taking the victory lappole. He's not here. Anthony Richardson looks
(01:25):
like he doesn't know how to hit the broadside of
a barn and the rushing upside hasn't been there, whereas
Justin Fields is a three and oher with the Pittsburgh
Steelers and somehow found a way back to not just
fantasy relevance, but it looks like NFL relevance for years
to come. But it's been a while three weeks. In general,
I'm just going to react immediately to Monday Night football.
Jamar Chase arrived. It is fully back. That's great to see.
(01:48):
T Higgins made an appearance, but it was really just
an appearance because he didn't do too much for fantasy.
Joe Burrow is dealing. The Bengals always take a little
bit to get going during the regular season, and so
too with their fantasy assets. It looks like they're firing
on all cylinders, at least on offense. But they were
overshadowed by Jaden Daniels. Jaden Daniels in super flexory leagues,
(02:09):
in dynasty leagues is the story to me from Monday
Night football. I mean, we can talk about Josh Allen
just being Oprah and giving touchdowns to everyone that you
could possibly imagine. The Jags look completely broken, but if
you want to focus on the hopeful narratives, not only
is Jaden Daniels a superstar with a great offensive coordinator. Yes,
I said it, I know I live in Arizona. Cliff
(02:30):
Kingsbury is a cussword, but you gotta admit when it
comes to being a coordinator, he seems how to know
to set up young quarterbacks for success. It's certainly better
than whatever treatment Caleb Williams is getting in Chicago. Jaden
Daniels looked good. But the best part about that too,
is that means Austin Eckler had a fantasy relevant night.
Oh Terry McLaurin, who we've all hoped and prayed would
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eventually get a quarterback worthy of his talents. Looks like
he's going to have a quarterback. Terry McLaurin is only
going to go up in value as the season goes on.
So many storylines we could get into there, but really
want to focus on Jayden and Daniels. What does this mean?
Incredible finish, multiple touchdown week Bengals. I don't know what
to make of them as defense other than they're probably
bad and so you can start them against anyone. But
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Jayden Daniels is a quarterback one in redraft. Jaden Daniels
is easily a top five, top ten guy in super
flex leagues. I'm not trading him, you know, away, off
of the hype unless I can get a ridiculous price.
Cliff Kingsbury has elevated his value. It's gonna be really good,
and we gotta remember he's in a good offense. There
are weapons there to make him successful. Brian Robinson is
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a very good running back, Austin Eckler, who I already mentioned,
is a great compliment, and then Terry McLaurin leading the
receiving corps. It also looks like Luke McCaffrey. If you're
a believer in that blood line, I certainly Am looks
like he took a step forward to becoming more solidified
as the wide receiver too, and zach Ertz is still
the primary tight end. Benson it will have his day though.
(03:57):
Moving on quickly to the Buffalo and Jags game. Want
any Jaguars players, I feel very, very strongly that Doug
Peterson will be fired or moved on from by the
end of the year. The Jags look bad in every facet.
Trevor Lawrence looks exactly like we talked about in the offseason.
He looks like long haired Derek Carr, who, by the way,
Derek Carr turned back into Derek Carr in the Saints
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versus Eagles. We'll get into that, but yeah, unfiltered thoughts.
On the overall weekend, I was writing down some notes.
There were some really weird, really really weird upsets going
on in the NFL as a whole. If you follow gambling,
you're betting at all five underdogs in the spread by
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five or more points are thirteen and two covering and spread,
and a lot of times they're just upsetting the teams
that they're playing. It happened to my Dallas Cowboys. It's
happened to a lot of teams where you thought, oh,
this team is certainly gonna win. You know, the Buccaneers
are the most recent victims of it, with the Denver
Broncos and BOONICKX who had a great showing out of nowhere,
just trouncing the Buccaneers. By the way, if you ever
(04:59):
shod Whites, say shares, please sell. But the overall theme
I want to focus on for just five more minutes
before we take a quick break and then chat with
my buddy Tanner. This is the running back renaissance that
we're in for Fantasy once again, no Thomas, no Dylan,
so I get to be a little unfiltered with numbers.
Did you know that the running back eighteen, Devin Singletary,
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has scored more half PPR points than the following names
through three weeks, Ceedee lamb Am and raw tyreek Kill.
Did you know that even in six point touchdowns scoring formats,
Saquon Barkley, who's the running back one on the year,
has only been outscored by Josh Allen, who's leading Who's
by the way, Josh Allen's gonna win the MVP. Saquon Barkley,
(05:43):
my guy, By the way, for the twenty twenty four
NFL season is absolutely tearing it up with Philadelphia. It
looks like he is going to be a star that's
going to continue to shine throughout the season, a real
league winner. Yeah, running backs are just dominating. There's several
you know, Alvin Kamara. Kamara and Sekwon Barkley both have
seventy plus half PPR points. There's not a single wide
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receiver who's close to that. The actual wide receiver one
right now and half PPR scoring is Malik Neighbors at
fifty seven. You have to go all the way down
to running back ten to then match that points level.
That's just where we're at. Running backs. Running back ones
are outscoring wide receiver ones. Running back twos are outscoring
wide receiver twos. Do I think this will continue, not
to the same level it has if you're a dynasty player.
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Most of the time, if you're doing it the right way,
You're building your team around the wide receiver position. It's
the most stable it takes, you get the longest amount
of use out of it, and usually historically, wide receiver
twos will outscore running back twos each and every season.
It's only usually the top five running backs that are
worth a lot of points. But you're gonna be hearing
a lot about it in the media. It seems like
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NFL defenses are It's not just Cover two, it's just
the idea that they're not gonna get beat deep. They're
going to put a cap on the defense and make
you run the ball well. The running lanes have been there,
and running backs have been responding. We're seeing awesome renaissance
seasons out of Alvin Kamara, out of Derrick Henry, David
Montgomery looks unbelievable. Oh, Jamiir Gibbs looks great. I mean,
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the names go on and on, even more surprising guys.
I'm trying to think of who else I was bringing
up when looking at it, but I mean, Devon A.
Channing looks fantastic. Bryce Hall, you're happy with him. James Cook,
top five back, Jonathan Taylor, who we all forget about.
Zach Sharpening in place of Kenneth Walker is a top
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ten running back. Jordan Mason as we all know, Waiver
Wire hero, JK. Dobbins, Brian Robinson again another great back.
James Connor looks good. Yeah, I could go on and on,
but it's a really difficult season. If you, like myself,
have built your dynasty team around the wide receiver position,
that's what we advise here on the Dynasty Exchange. I
think every single host that we've had on would say
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that wide receivers last longer, are more valuable, especially in
Super Flex. They're the only position other than quarterback that's
gonna be taken in the first round. So you might
be frustrated. What do you do? Well, here's what I
would say. Running Backs are definitely still gonna be a
more relevant this season because the defenses, like I said,
are gonna have a cap on it. But be patient.
Remember that ced Lamb was like a low end wide
receiver too until Week five of last year. I'm not
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selling am and Raw, I'm not selling Cede Lamb. I'm
not even selling Tyreek Hill. Well, depending on the roster construction,
you might need to, but I'm not gonna even pan
excel Tyreek Hill, especially in like a redraft situation. This season,
I think Water is gonna find its level, even though
the Dolphins are going to probably be quarterback hunting as
the week goes on. So just my unfiltered thoughts, we
are in a running back of renaissance. You need to
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appreciate it exciting times. It's only been three weeks of
NFL football. I'm definitely trying to soak it all in.
But there's a lot of storylines left to unfold. I mean,
tight ends have been crap. It was great to see
Dalton and k catch a touchdown tonight, but brock Bauers
finally turned into a pumpkin. He was the only tight
end that seemed like he was gonna be steady Eddie
and continue to give you points. So still a lot
(08:57):
of questions left to be answered and excited for week
for to roll around. But we're gonna segue really quickly.
I have a great interview get to know Tanner. He's
currently the Dynasty Exchange Power ranked number one player, his
team is the best through three weeks, and he's been
accused of building his team by some unjust memes. Mike
(09:18):
is a bit of a hater, so Mike was more
than okay with me having him on the show to
kind of defend himself and get to the bottom of
how did he build such a strong team, specifically around
that wide receiver position that I just talked about in
such a short time. But once again, guys, any just
a reminder, like, it's fun to play fantasy, it's best
to play it with your friends. Find a league, and
build a league with people you know and you want
(09:39):
to live life with. That's the best way to make
it happen. So we just want to introduce another person
that we're doing that as we go on this journey
of trying to build the best league in America, introducing
another character in that league. Right after this, you know,
the YouTube, the Spotify, the Apple music algorithms are not
able to tell me which listeners of this show are
(10:02):
only childs or which listeners of this show don't have
an older brother. But every fantasy league always feels, at
least everyone that I've played in, there's always that one
player who's like very very good, very very competent, but
is the most annoying owner. Not because they talk trash,
but specifically because they don't. They keep to themselves, they
(10:23):
stay obnoxiously humble. They're like, yeah, having a lot of
good fortune, and you know it's like sort of an act,
but deep down you also know it isn't an act.
What makes you feel bad about yourself? And so I
would like to welcome the most hated older brother owner
we currently have in the league of record the Dynasty Exchange,
Tanner Roclydis. I was gonna say an old friend, but
(10:44):
we're like at medium friend status, Like we've become really
good friends in the last two years, but it's not
been deeper than that, because I think you're obnoxious with
how good you are at Fantasy and how humble you
are about it.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Well, if that's the title that I've earned in the
first few months of the Dynasty Exchange, I guess I'll
take it. Josh, thanks for having me on Dynasty Exchange.
Thanks for thanks for welcoming.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
You didn't defend it, you just like, oh, I'm so
happy to be here. Thanks. This is exactly what I'm
talking about. It's it's emotion, it's gaslight, Like you're hated.
How dare you? It's the only one that sees you
that way.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I was told before the show that I was hated,
and this was this was news to me. Now I
can't exactly say I'm surprised because we did kind of
come out from nowhere. The team was looking like it
was gonna be a rebuild. It's no longer a rebuild,
so I guess I can't say I'm surprised, but but what,
what's what's the story here?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Well, I think it'll be good to tell it for
the listeners too, just to give some context. Tanner, you
we've talked fantasy now like heavy for almost two years.
You were in a Dynasty league. We met at church
and we're very similar style players, like we're both very
much delayed gratification build and so I invited you to
(12:03):
be part of the Dynasty Exchange because I knew you
had the note no at all. I believe you have
a friends and family league like back home. You do
a podcast just for those guys as well. So yeah,
very similar grind. You're a commissioner. You're actually the treasurer
for the Dynasty Exchange. A very organized guy. Really appreciate
that about you. Here's why you're hated. Number one, The
(12:25):
Dynasty Exchange is sixteen people. That's a lot, and not
everyone really knows each other personally. You were quite literally,
like you said, a rebuild. You took JJ McCarthy in,
you know, like the rookie draft. You. I forget who
your other QB was. I think it was Bryce Young
who you magically traded away before he turned to nothing.
Right before the season too.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I did get to first for Bryce Young that morning.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
That it's disgusting. It's crazy how things change, but you
ended up stacking up a lot of first round picks
in our startup draft, and then you then turned those
first round picks into the best wide receiver corps I
think I've ever seen in Dynasty. And it's in a
sixteen team league, Like there are twelve team leagues that
would kill you have Justin Jefferson. You have Cede Lamb,
(13:13):
you have Alman ros Saint Brown. Oh, surprise, surprise, Chris
Godwin was one of your flyers, hoping the veteran would
would do well, and he's off to an unbelievable hot start.
I think through week two weeks he's the wide receiver one.
He probably will still be that after week three. I
haven't checked the numbers yet, but dude, you've put together
an absolute monstrosity of a roster. You're the front runner
(13:35):
in league of record and some of your trades we'll
get into him. That's why you have haters. It was
out of nowhere. You didn't talk trash. You weren't this
flamboyant personality. It made everyone that was hustling from day one,
like myself, feel a little bit stupid and a little
bit frustrated.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
You know, well, I mean I want to just I
was thinking about this because I had a feeling when
we were going down this route, being the first other
than Michael h and Dylan Dylan and Thomas, of course,
but I'm kind of like the first one of the
first like real new guys on this show. I'm a
little nervous. There's like a Madden Curse situation going on here.
(14:12):
I'm three and zero. I mean, I'm coming on here.
I'm taking a risk. I don't know if you I
don't know if you appreciate that, but I'm thinking about
risks coming on the show. We're about to enter bye
week season. I you know, I almost turned down the
invitation to come on this show. Just, you know, you
just don't do with that stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
For a couple of weeks. Is this because you were concerned?
You've been like Dylan's team has gotten obliterated by injuries,
Michael Hawley makes some unfortunate times trades, He's gotten obliterated
by injuries. Thomas's well, you and Thomas might be in
the championship against each other, so.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
We shall see. I mean, Thomas apparently wants to sell
Josh Allen after Josh Allen put up fifty points tonight,
Like we can talk about that later, you know, the
good old My player just had like the top performance
in f NC week. I'm gonna go try and sell them.
There's not a price, like, there's just whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
After a crazy game you feel like that's poor taste.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Well, there's just it's like, what do you want? What
would you what do you possibly want for Josh Allen
after he just put up I don't even know how
many points he scored, but it's like, I will give
you my entire roster for Josh Allen, Like that's the price.
It's just there's not a trade that's gonna get done
now if you're doing it for flexing purposes, Thomas, I
hear you. If we're looking to make a deal, it's
(15:32):
just it's just not gonna work. I get it right,
we're in this for bragging rights. We play for money,
but really we play for bragging rights.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I feel like I just understood another level of you.
I feel like you are the type of person that
feels feels like the waste management. Open is bad for golf.
You're like, people should be quiet and clap and appreciate
the players in front of it. Like there's just no spies.
There's no spie. Something is silly.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Side of Dynasty. Yeah, So outside of the Dynasty Exchange,
we have another redraft league, which is let's be honest,
it is it is the priority over the Dynasty Exchange.
As much as we love as much as we love
this because of the relationships. I'm just saying what I'm
just saying, what are you talking? Well, back in the
day around the World Series, we have a particular friend
(16:22):
who was just going on and on and on about
how certain things were just bad for baseball, and I
just realized, I'm a little bit like that friend.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Oh, I wanted the monologue mutual friends shout out Isaac
Gross when when it was the Rangers versus the Diamondbacks
last year. Yeah, he was like, this is bad for baseball.
Keep in mind, I am from Dallas, Texas and I
currently live in areas. I'm like, shut up, dude, no
one cares, like think about it. These two teams have
no marketability. And that's that's what you're saying. You are
(16:53):
you're an old man who's grumpy, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I'm some people say you're in advance for your years,
and then you just turn into a curmudgeon. And it's
just kind of the just kind of the the arc
of like the that mature teenager. You just become a
curmudgeon at like age twenty nine to thirty, and that's
just that's just the way it is. But well, you're
trying to overcome trying to overcome.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
That, ya, No, I think that's that's ever since having
our sons hopefully will be friends. Hopefully they're going to
be on the same baseball team where I will teach
them to have personalities and you will teach them to honor,
you know, like the rules of the game. But I
think I think when you have your first kid, you
you instantly it's like the events just wins, championships, grilling
(17:37):
out is the best, Like there are certain things that
are allowed to happen, getting.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Back to throw strikes. Yeah, all that.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I don't know the baseball. I don't know the baseball.
Like old platitudes. For what it's worth, listen, dynasty change
the most important. If you're referring to the redraft, we're
playing in terms of like kicksing giggles in our immediate
friend group, yes, but it is nothing like the competitive level,
which is why the real reason you have haters is
the way you got Justin Jefferson. In particular, it irks Mike.
(18:07):
I'll name drop here. You were able to trade three
first round picks and was there any seconds in there?
I'm just trying to remember for I want to give you.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Let's look, because you got you.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
You got Ramandre Stevenson and Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
So I traded three firsts, a second, and a fourth
for Justin Jefferson and Ramondre Stephenson right before the season started,
and h June twenty seven, that feels right before the
season started.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
It's right around the corner. I didn't hate personally the
direction for the other team. They had holes, they had
Justin Jefferson, Jordan love some older pieces and they wanted
to kind of build slowly over the future. So I
didn't hate the direction. I hated the price because I
personally owned so many I would have paid four firsts
(18:59):
to get Justin Jeffer and on my team right like
that day, you get Ramandre Stevenson, who through the first
two weeks looked great, turned into a pumpkin this last week.
But that's neither here nor there. Would love a temperature
check on him later. It's because you have relationship with
that owner, You play with that other owner in another
in other leagues, that someone you know. Everyone in the
league who doesn't know the two of you. I had
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calls specifically for Mike and maybe one other is like, oh,
is this is this collusion? Are we just running a
hustle over here? So what would you say? How did
that trade happen? And can you defend an egregious price?
Because keep in mind DeVante Smith had been sold for
two firsts, Kyle Pitts, Bryce Young had been sold for
two There are leagues out there that are looking to
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us as the standard of what should things be priced at?
What are competitive leagues trading for players at? And in
a sixteen team league? First are deluded, they are, it's
a top sixteen player in a draft, not a top twelve,
not a top ten. So how do you defend this
egregious price for Justin Jefferson Ormandre Stevenson that made you
a content overnight?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Well, here's the thing. Some people want to play the
game Some people want to play the opponent. Some people
want to play the market. I have never played a
competitive down of football in my life. We talk about
being a ball knower. That is not me. I have
no idea, but I do know that Justin Jefferson is
a really, really, really good player, and I knew that
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to get Justin Jefferson, I was going to have to
align with that other owner's timeline and wishes. I wish
I had some crazy story of wheeling and dealing on
phone calls and all that I sent the offer. I
was sitting in my barber chair getting a haircut my
Apple watch buzz. I looked at it and it's a
(20:44):
Dynasty exchange. A trade has been completed. I pulled up
my phone and I was ecstatic. I think it was
people are not giving me enough credit for actually sending
three firsts. Plus I know it's a second and a fourth,
but I there are multiple people who could have sent
(21:05):
three firsts now. I will also point out it was
three twenty twenty five firsts where DeVante Smith was sold
for a twenty five and a twenty six first, So
there is some nuance. There is some difference. Oh to
be able to send three twenty five first. You actually
have to own three twenty five first. And you and I.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Started the draft repeatedly. And if you're listening and you
play dynasy for the first time, if you have the patience,
people will trade in a startup draft, everyone's gonna win. Now,
everyone's gonna build a championship roster. You and I both
have built very different looking teams in this league, but
in other other leagues as well. If you're just patient
for a single year, Oh my gosh, the way you
(21:46):
can get out ahead of people is insane. And you
certainly did that because then you had the piggy bank
to go get Justin Jefferson while still having Cee Lamb,
while still having Aman Raw makes people frustrated. I think
it's hearing that story. It makes other people frustrated from
the pros of like why is that owner trading with you?
Why is that owner even in the league. This is
supposed to be real competitive. Why didn't they counter you?
And is your response to those people essentially like, hey,
(22:08):
don't hate the player, hate the game. I follow the rules.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
That's all I can say. Everything was above board. I
can't say anything else. I sent the offer. It was accepted.
I think it was. I think it was a reasonable price. Wow,
should I have been charged more? Perhaps I wasn't. I'll
take it.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Are you gonna be Can you really be faulted for
another owner being inept? And isn't that the point? Isn't
the point of Fantasy getting a better price than someone
else would have gotten? I mean, you know, I'm sorry,
I'm winning. Is that kind of your your overall opinion
on it?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
You know, after watching Week seventeen, after enduring the pain
of you winning a Fantasy championship off of my team
winning last year, I am. I am out for blood.
I'm out for blood.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
So this is a revengeaire. So once again, another re
draft league we play. We've sourced several owners from that
league into the Dynasty Exchange, not all of them, because
there are definitely just some characters there that are there
to be characters. It's a friends of family league. But
I come over as first time. I was hanging out
and I had Jayden Reid. You're a diehard pack Packer fan,
and Jayden Reid first play the game. Basically that we're
(23:17):
really paying attention to scores, me the points I need
to win, and you did not even give me a
high five. You were very very rude.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
You need to win that game to go to the playoffs.
Like it was a great day. It was a horrible
It was the best of times. It was the worst
of times. Yeah, right to quote to quote. Ungratulates me
in that league.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
It makes me really mad. No one likes it when
I do well at all. No one says anything like
the chat dies.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Hopefully you get your Dynasty exchange.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah, well here's the problem. I suck in Dynasty Exchange.
I have traded everything away for future capital to play
the slow game. You did it before me, and now
you have a roster. I know what dealing with you.
I'm not going to be able to buy at a discount.
But listen, we I just brought up Jayden Reid. I
want to ask you, as a Packer fan, what are
your thoughts on Jordan Love as a Dynasty player as well?
(24:04):
With Malik Willis succeeding like he just did in the
system for Matt Lafleur, are you starting to kind of believe, Hey,
it's the system a little bit more than the player,
and which which Packers are you kind of most excited about?
Are you all around bullish on the Packers as a whole. Well,
a lot of questions in there, I know.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Sorry, So going into this season, I didn't own a
single Packers player in Fantasy, in redrafted, Dynasty, in anything
in another league. I acquired Josh Jacobs this week. Now,
the reason that I don't didn't own any Packers is
not because I'm low on the Packers. It's because they're
so like their offense, there's so many options that I'm
(24:43):
not like, I'll just allocate my resources elsewhere. I'm not.
I'm not gonna play the Christian Watson went off for
two touchdown game or Jayden Reid, you know, like just
miss me with that. I would love to have Jordan Love.
I've tried to acqui him from the Dynasty exchange owner.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I think, the same owner you got Jefferson from. I
think there might be a league wide band where you're
not allowed to trade with them after that.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
But it's not well yeah, I mean I frankly, I
don't really care if it's the system or if it's
the quarterback. I Week one was watching it was the
Packers Eagles game, and it was my it was my son.
He'll be turning eight months in a week. Uh. It
(25:30):
was my son's first Packer game, and I sat him
down in the front of the TV and it occurred
to me that he was born into the third generation
of potential. I mean, I'm not gonna say Hall of
Fame for Jordan Love, but we've got back to back
Hall of Fame quarterbacks and we now have another very
good quarterback. And it was just like it was this
(25:51):
this full circle moment of like I was born at
the beginning of the far Of era. I saw Farv's end.
Then I saw Rogers with a little bit a Seneca
Wallace sprinkled in there, and then and then now my
son is born right into Jordan Love futures bright. I mean,
go go pack Go.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, it's there are certain franchises like I wish I
could switch Fandoms to Packers would be in there.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
So you're welcome any time.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
No, I just bro listen. It's it's like family. I
can't leave the Cowboys at this point. I'm too pot
committed emotionally. I would love for my son to be
able to choose something different, but he's probably gonna love
what I love. And I'm he's you know, generational curses.
People talk about those being a thing. It's get ready
for well marketed mediocrity. I love what the Packers are doing.
I will say I actually think Jade Reid is truly
(26:41):
the one in that offense. And when Jordan Love gets healthy,
I'm excited to see what he can do. We play
fantasy in a number of leagues together. Obviously the dynasty
change is the most important. I love Jayden Reiding best
ball We were talking about it because you put together
the worst run best ball league I've ever met. It's
a best ball league, but it's not a best ball league.
I'm so upset, but I'm gonna show this on air now.
I don't think anyone else has noticed that you turned
on punt return yards and kick return yards, yes, as
(27:04):
eligible points. No one else has done that, and I've
seen that, and that's why I have Marvin ms Kiante Turpin.
I have like half my team is kick returners because
it's like sixteen teams. Oh, it's terrible. Pay attention to
your league settings, by the way, because sneaky commissioners will
add that in without saying a word, and it greatly
affects the scoring.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I said to everyone, make sure you check the scoring
before the draft.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
That is I can't help it that.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I can't help if they did or didn't.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
See I love. I love that you.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Suck in that league, so it doesn't even matter.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Well, that's you know, it is what it is. It
you know, you're learning, you're growing, it's it's all part
of you should have taken Jaden Reied best. Ball's a
different beast, but we won't get into that. I'm really
excited about Jayden Reed and I'm glad he's not on
your roster because he was a player that you used
to trade away to go get Am and Ross Saint Brown.
I want to pivot to the Lions. Is it hard
for you, as a die hard Packer fan that you
(27:56):
just talked about to root for the Lions because you
have you know, you're heavily invested in him. With Am
and Raw, they were one of the main pieces of
your of your roster. Or is it you can separate
week from chaff and it's like, hey, I'll root for
all of my players.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
You know. The harder the There was a there was
about a five year period where I just didn't play
fantasy and I kind of did it under the guise
of like, no, I don't want to have to root
against the Packers, right. Well, then I like got dragged
into a league basically, somebody got kicked out of the league.
I had to step in and it just so happened. Yeah,
(28:30):
And it just so happened that that it was a
redraft league. You know, it's kind of a messy situation.
But I stepped into a team.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
With I would love to hear in a redraft league.
Someone got kicked out and you had to seem a
redraft league.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
It was a work league where the guy got got terminated.
That yeah, it was, it was. It was a situation,
but I stepped into that team.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Also, we're gonna need you to sign out of the
ESPN app. You're not you don't finish the league.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, that was. That was an interesting conversation. But we
I took over that team and I had it was
that was twenty twenty and I had Rogers and DeVante Adams,
So I got the best of both worlds. And that
was the year where Rogers drafted George Adams receiver one
(29:22):
like just went nuclear. So I was like, oh, well
I could just I could just have Packers on my
roster every year and I'll just be happy about it. Well,
as time has gone on, I've you know, I've stepped
away from that philosophy. But now the hardest part is
not for for me, isn't you know having a Bears
player or having a Lions player or a Vikings player
(29:44):
or anything like that. It's actually having players in one
league that are like on my arch rival in another.
So in my other dynasty league, my brother's team has
I'm on Ross Saint Brown and Justin Jefferson, So I'm
so every week it's like, I'm, hey, great, Justin Jefferson
(30:05):
just got a ninety seven yard touchdown. But that also
means that that's a fifteen you know, that's a that's
a almost seventeen point touchdown for my brother. Yeah. And
it's it's this balance of like, man, I hope my
guys go off, but also, I you know, not too
much so that they so.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
That you know, it's more important to you that you
win that league or that your brother.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Loses who.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
That's a good question, I I you know, there's an
old there's an old fable about this. The god desire
yes runs into envy and greed on the road This
is a true You're we're very similar, by the way,
Like I'm unnecessarily deep on this show, like Dylan gives
me crap all the time, but you're very You're one
of my philosophical friends as well. The god desire runs
into envy and greed, and it says, I will grant
(30:52):
you anything you want. However, whatever you get, the other
gets double, and so both are like, oh, what do
I do? Yeah, And finally envy answers and says, I
would like you to take one of my eyes. I'd
like to be blind in one eye. And it's it's
(31:13):
crazy to think about, like, are you the type of
person like, oh, if he's winning, awesome, he went to
chip at least I got a championship, Or are you
like I want him to suffer so much?
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Well, so we put out a poll in that league
of who are you rooting against harder? And it was
me or my brother And my brother was the best
team in the league last year he fell in the championship.
I have been the worst team in that league for
two years. The votes were split fifty to fifty. Now,
I clearly am not rooting against myself, I'm rooting against him.
(31:43):
But I do think I want to win, but it's
it's a slim margin. You just there's just certain certain people,
certain teams you just want to see crash and burn.
That's one of them.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Are you okay with being that league or that team
in the in the dynasty change?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Because well, I think that's my fate. I think that's
I think that's I'm already there. I don't have a choice.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's what it sounds like.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I think it's.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Doubly it's gonna happen because Mike had that really great
trade for Am and Raw that he then undid partially
out of like, hey, it's early in the league that
you know Holly, Michael Holly is learning very quickly and
as if sharp players know, is more football than both
(32:27):
of us put together at this particular point in his career.
But fantasy is a different animal.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
But he he was just newmal Oh.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, people have no idea the value. I think it
takes two years for a league to become a league.
I've learned that now. It needs It takes a couple
of drafts for people to really go Okay, now I
know what we're talking about, and we have some really
seasoned onors in the dnasty change, and then we have
some owners who know football incredibly well and are eager
to learn, and they really shift the economy because there
are so many teams in the Diyastay change that are win. Now,
(32:56):
what was frustrating about you is that it seemed like
after a couple trades you have, you don't have any
firsts over the next two years.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Right, I have my twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
You are missing one first in twenty twenty five. That's it,
and you have the best roster right now. You have
gotten to have your cake and eat it too, and
so you should take it as a compliment. But screw you,
fro Bro, Like this is stupid? How dare you? I
at least I'm gonna suffer and I'm gonna have to
go through this season with zero wins and slowly climb
(33:27):
myself up with just JSN and George Pickens. Like that's
that those two guys and some first round picks. I
thought I'd be able to sell Russell Wilson that you
talk about a double edged short. My guy, just Field's
taken over the job. That's great, But I was also like,
I got shares with Russell Wilson, like I was gonna
sell him to a contender, not gonna happen to my superflex.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
But yeah, I mean, my my master plan here was
gonna I'm gonna rock with Rock Perdy as QB one
Rogers's QB two. I got McCarthy on my bench as
QB three. McCarthy's gonna get this job like week seven,
I'll flip Rogers for a first, right like that that
was my that was my master plan, and now all
(34:05):
of a sudden, that's that's no longer a thing. So
you know, you like it's funny how this thing changes.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
You're not a fun guest to speculate with, because you're
very like, I'll speak the truth, like I can analyze
as best I can, but you're like, let's let the
evidence play out, like very like put things about, like
be hyperbolic with me, be willing to dream. At least,
are you concerned, as the JJ McCarthy owner, with Sam
Donald's performance or are you taking it as a positive
that Kevin O'Connell is creating superstars?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Oh well, I mean it's hard to not see what
Sam Donald's doing and at least entertain the thought of, hmmm,
something like this happened with a guy named Trey Lance
a couple of years ago. It's it's impossible to not
entertain that thought. Yeah, at the same time, Trey Lance
got a chance, you know, like he he got the opportunity.
(34:59):
Brock pretty was just better. So I don't see there,
I don't he was just not good like in the preseason.
In the preseason, like or McCarthy Granady's stone against second stringers,
but like apparently it looked good. Uh, and things seem
(35:20):
to be like good news seems to be coming out
of Minnesota. So I'm not I'm not really concerned. I mean,
now somebody in the league is like, hey, I'd like
to stash McCarthy for next year. Let's let's let's talk.
But I'm not too concerned.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Give you first, make that happen for you.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
All right, we'll work up. We'll work a deal offline.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
See that's that's you. Though, It's like, I gotta I
gotta measure. I look at this objectively. It's like, no, man,
just make a make make.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Me many There there are times I try to be uh.
So I'm reading a book called Unreasonable Hospitality, and this
guy talks, he talks about this ninety five five rules,
and he says, I'm sorry, I can't help it.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Okay, you were the only person on this show that
I can make like I am the butt of this joke.
Every week when Dylan is here, which Dylan is on
maternity leave, he will paternity leave.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
He will leave. Yeah, fraternity didn't their kid was born.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
No, no, no no, but he yeah, okay, so we're just
we're just giving him time, like yo, you're you're free,
you know, at any moment kind of thing. But he
makes fun of you.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
So I'm reading this book. So I'm reading this book,
and he talks about the ninety five to five rule
and he says he this so he so this guy
he owned, uh and he didn't own. He managed the
number one restaurant in the world, as it was voted
by the people who vote for that kind of thing.
Eleventh eleventh Madison Park and it's it's in New York.
(36:50):
And he says that he developed this ninety five five
rule where he would like manage the budget like so
intensely nine percent of the time, like the budget he's
gonna like pinch pennies down to the you know down
to like the fullest extent, but then he would take
five percent and he would like spend that money just
like lavishly, So he would spend it on uh, just
(37:13):
like creating this amazing experience or throwing this like amazing
Christmas party. And that is not too dissimilar from how
I've learned how to play Dynasty. I'm gonna, I'm gonna
I'm gonna be really shrewd percent of the time, and
then five percent of the time, I'm just gonna go
cash in and uh swing for the fences. And Uh,
(37:35):
I'm not saying that that's the right way to play,
it's just the way that kind of aligns with me
and and how I just tend to go about life.
I think that's another thing that you and I have
talked about a lot, is like Dynasty is such a
it reveals your character, and it actually it develops your
character a lot too.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
This is so great. It's like so many people like
Thomas is gonna give you so crap, so much crap
listening to this. But how you do anything is how
you do everything right.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
It's so true.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
And I've learned I've grown in certain things in my
other parts of life because I spent way too many
first round picks the first year I played Dynasty and
thought I can cash in now and just begin to
go and like the value of saving. Not to say
that we weren't doing that financialip, but just even with
certain career things, I'm like, you know what, saying no
to this opportunity is saying yes to another one, Like
(38:26):
Dynasty helps you with that, like psychosis. Not to make
it unnecessarily deep, but it does a great follow on
Twitter shout out Dynasty Onion. He has post like that
all the time. Like, if you want to follow someone
on Twitter that makes Dynasty, you want to become a
better person while playing Dynasty, followed Dynasty Onion because it's
it's very much dynastality.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Dynasty Onion is naval Van for Dynasty players.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
No one knows, No one knows who the first person
you mentioned in that analogy was naval Who the heck
are we even talking about?
Speaker 2 (38:58):
So search him up as name is Navall and A V. A. L.
Raba Kant. He's like Silicon Valley investor, kind of like
very wise, kind of like investor guy.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Uh, he's got it. You'll get it.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
You'll get it. When you look.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I just once again, it's it's very very fun for
me to be on the opposite opposite end of that
exchange in dynamic because I'm always pulling you've heard the show,
you're a fan of it. I'm always pulling out these
random analogies doing like where did you even get that?
And now people need to do us. I hang out
with people who do this better and more than me.
I'm not the only one. Okay, last question before I
(39:36):
kind of let you go, Well, not last question per se,
but I want to kind of get your temperature on. Well,
we talked about it already with with with JJ McCarthy,
Is there a world where you trade him to me?
And what would be the price on him?
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I told you, hey, I don't do I don't do like.
I respect that you can work deals out live here.
You do not the way I play. Now, Yes, if
you send me four first, you can have JJ McCarthy
do today? What years?
Speaker 1 (40:06):
All twenty five?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Okay, would you do for two? No? I think we
found your price. It's two and a half. That's the
price that would make you think you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (40:21):
We'll take this offline.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, we will, but I wouldn't do it because here's
the deal. Those picks are worth more later. Yeah. Man,
it's interesting for Packer fans. You have a lot of
Viking shares, Justin Jefferson, JJ McCarthy, Ty Chandler, Aaron Jones. Dude,
you're a trader to your own.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
You got to become a little player agnostic. Unfortunately, that's
fair to say that.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
It is fair to say.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
So okay, So Josh, what like talk to the people
through I know people know people who listen to the show.
They're like, okay, Josh is the bank. He's tanking, like, yeah,
have you have you executed this before?
Speaker 1 (40:57):
How did it go?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
What are you looking at do?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
What's the what's the game?
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Places a little preview, give us a little preview.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
So part of it is I was doing this in
the original League of Record that Mike Dylan and I
left that will not be named. It's too painful. I
haven't seen the counselor no, just kidding. I had already
built up a wealth of capital and that roster. I
think my wide receiver like I was, I had Justin
(41:26):
Fields and Jordan Love and eight firsts in twenty five
and a number of them in twenty six, like it
was very I was really looking forward to completing that experiment.
So part of my excitement with the Dynasty exchange is
once again, I wasn't planning to do that. It's just
when the when the startup draft happened, I saw other
people making trades. Instead of getting mad that I didn't
get the deal someone else got, I called and said, well,
(41:47):
will you trade that first? That's another thing in dinostylicuse.
People get so mad when you first start playing, like
why did you do that deal with that person? It's like, bro,
call that same person. If there's an owner that you
think is giving away free free food.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Go eat, Like go get the food. Yeah, go make a.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Trade, like what are we talking about? Because that also
kills any any conspiracies about like collusion people you don't know.
It's like, hey, are you consistently? Is that person consistent
with their prices with everyone? Side note, I can't give
too much of my game away, But the reality is
I've already I've already told everyone. It's it's delayed gratification.
(42:23):
I've seen this done, I've done it to an extent
in other leagues, but I've never completed the project. I'm
looking forward to completing the project in Dynasty Exchange. In
the other league of record we talk about Dynasty Cartel,
very competitive league, some very good owners. I'm pretty much
all in in that league. It's the opposite poll. I
have cashed in almost all of my capital. I'm a
win now team receivers Jamar Chase, Garrett Wilson, DeVante Smith,
(42:45):
George Pickens, Kyron Williams at running back with James Cook
or not James Cook, Jamier Gibbs. Like I'm all in
in one league. In this league, I'm fine to build
slowly over time. The way I see it, though I
don't know football better than how the guys I play with. Actually,
like I I know ball pretty well. I study this stuff.
I'm a nerd for it. My goal is to use
(43:06):
those firsts when they're at the peak of their value
to build the team I want. Some of that's gonna
be buying veterans. Some of that's gonna be buying players
that are later, some of it's trading into the into
you know, the future. I just see first round picks
as such a safe asset class for you to invest in,
Like all the twenty five first I currently have cannot
tear an ACL and people are like, well, wait, college
players can't. No. No. What I'm saying is the pick
(43:28):
is always safe, and whoever would be that the one
oh one just changes it slides in if someone else
gets injured, right, Like, who's the quarterback for Florida State
last year? I was really high on him, Jordan Travis. Like,
I thought Jordan Travis would be a back end first
round pick in uh super flex the NFL. Yeah and
(43:48):
NFL as well. Yeah, agreed, especially with the way quarterbacks
were taken in that draft. Had he finished his college career,
he probably would have been I had him at the
one oh nine, Okay, Jordan Travis, Tari's ACL, the whole
college thing, okay, great, The one of nine then became
exavior worthy, right, Like, that's the safety of first round picks,
and you don't have to know if guys are going
to pan out. You can just you can then trade
(44:08):
that first round pick for a superstar you already like,
or into the future or whatever. So I just like
the flexibility. The end game is to reset the league.
It's to win three times in a row so that
we have to reset. That's gonna be hard to do.
I think it's gonna be hard to win just one,
and but you are well in your way to doing that.
You're number one in the power rankings that I will
release later in the week for the dynast Exchange. And uh,
(44:31):
but I'm still crushing you in the re Draft League.
We play together, so that's always satisfying.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
That's really what matters.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
That's what No, No, the Dynastic Change is what matters
to me. It does because that's where we're both competing
at a high level. Like your friends and family leagues,
you know, it's one of those things like there's always
a couple owners like you're like, Okay, I beat this guy.
I'm quicker to the way.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Yeah, But it's great having you on, man, it's great
to talk to someone who's genuinely smarter than me. Any
final thoughts, and when you want to shout out because
this is your episode, you know, you're introduced yourself to
the league for the first time, hopefully the last time,
because you become irrelevant after this episode.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Well again, thanks for having me. Shout out to Michael
Smith for making all of this happen. I was telling
somebody about this league this week or this weekend. They're like,
how in the world are you you know, I was
just like saying, oh, yeah, you know, it's like Josh
is in it, and you know, this guy's in it,
and this guy's in it, and this guy's in it,
and you know, everybody's going to meet hopefully meet those
people over the course of this podcast. And somebody who's like,
(45:29):
how in the world are you connected to all these people?
And I was like, well, it goes back to Josh
going and picking up Michael Smith and every and everything
that's happened there. So Michael, thank you. You know, I'm
sorry that you and I kind of have some beef.
You didn't respond to my my DM last week, so
(45:49):
it looks like that's gone a little too deep. Maybe
maybe we need to reconcile hop on like a zoom call,
maybe hug it out or something. But but you know,
just appreciative of of the league, excited about you know,
year one here, two, year three, and hopefully we don't
have to reset anytime soon because I think we all,
I think we're all it's fun when it's fun when
(46:11):
everyone in the league like is actively kind of going
in a direction I think as we get further along,
as we get further along this season, I think people
like those directions will be chosen for a lot of
people and and I'm not I'm not excluded from that.
Uh all three of my top dogs could very well
go down now that now that I have entered you know,
(46:33):
the the Dynasty Exchange curse, it could, it could quite
possibly happen. So again, thanks Josh, appreciate you and excited
for all that to come.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Ladies and gentlemen. That was Crimudgenie old man, older brother
figure of the Natix Change. Thanks coming on, Yeah,
Nasty. Oh yeah, welcome back in to the Dynasty Exchange.
This is usually the part of the show where I
have a super clever analogy that's in left field, that
makes no sense and has no relation to fantasy football,
(00:22):
that I will tie into a Monday Night football reaction,
leaving my co hosts Dylan or Thomas completely flabbergasted as
to how I made the connection. Well, sadly, tonight, there's
gonna be no metaphor because I have no co hosts.
Dylan is on paternity leave, and obviously we wish him
the best because real life and family is only slightly
more important than fantasy football, but really glad he's away
(00:43):
for all the right reasons. Thomas, however, got beat so
bad by Jamar Chase and he and I's rivalry matchup
that I just I feel like he decided not to show. No,
the real case is technical difficulties. He will be back
next week, but I'm rock and solo, so you guys
are trapped with me with my unfiltered thoughts until my
good friend and I shouldn't say good friend, he's under
a lot of scrutiny in the Main League. My buddy
(01:05):
Tanner Reclis will be joining me after the break. Just
gonna do a quick monologue here, give you guys my
unfiltered thoughts, and thankfully Dylan is not here to check
any of them whatsoever with bad data, because he would
have you believing Anthony Richardson is a great quarterback and
better than Justin Fields. Well through first three weeks. I'm
taking the victory lappole. He's not here. Anthony Richardson looks
(01:25):
like he doesn't know how to hit the broadside of
a barn and the rushing upside hasn't been there, whereas
Justin Fields is a three and oher with the Pittsburgh
Steelers and somehow found a way back to not just
fantasy relevance, but it looks like NFL relevance for years
to come. But it's been a while three weeks. In general,
I'm just going to react immediately to Monday Night football.
Jamar Chase arrived. It is fully back. That's great to see.
(01:48):
T Higgins made an appearance, but it was really just
an appearance because he didn't do too much for fantasy.
Joe Burrow is dealing. The Bengals always take a little
bit to get going during the regular season, and so
too with their fantasy assets. It looks like they're firing
on all cylinders, at least on offense. But they were
overshadowed by Jaden Daniels. Jaden Daniels in super flexory leagues,
(02:09):
in dynasty leagues is the story to me from Monday
Night football. I mean, we can talk about Josh Allen
just being Oprah and giving touchdowns to everyone that you
could possibly imagine. The Jags look completely broken, but if
you want to focus on the hopeful narratives, not only
is Jaden Daniels a superstar with a great offensive coordinator. Yes,
I said it, I know I live in Arizona. Cliff
(02:30):
Kingsbury is a cussword, but you gotta admit when it
comes to being a coordinator, he seems how to know
to set up young quarterbacks for success. It's certainly better
than whatever treatment Caleb Williams is getting in Chicago. Jaden
Daniels looked good. But the best part about that too,
is that means Austin Eckler had a fantasy relevant night.
Oh Terry McLaurin, who we've all hoped and prayed would
(02:52):
eventually get a quarterback worthy of his talents. Looks like
he's going to have a quarterback. Terry McLaurin is only
going to go up in value as the season goes on.
So many storylines we could get into there, but really
want to focus on Jayden and Daniels. What does this mean?
Incredible finish, multiple touchdown week Bengals. I don't know what
to make of them as defense other than they're probably
bad and so you can start them against anyone. But
(03:15):
Jayden Daniels is a quarterback one in redraft. Jaden Daniels
is easily a top five, top ten guy in super
flex leagues. I'm not trading him, you know, away, off
of the hype unless I can get a ridiculous price.
Cliff Kingsbury has elevated his value. It's gonna be really good,
and we gotta remember he's in a good offense. There
are weapons there to make him successful. Brian Robinson is
(03:36):
a very good running back, Austin Eckler, who I already mentioned,
is a great compliment, and then Terry McLaurin leading the
receiving corps. It also looks like Luke McCaffrey. If you're
a believer in that blood line, I certainly Am looks
like he took a step forward to becoming more solidified
as the wide receiver too, and zach Ertz is still
the primary tight end. Benson it will have his day though.
(03:57):
Moving on quickly to the Buffalo and Jags game. Want
any Jaguars players, I feel very, very strongly that Doug
Peterson will be fired or moved on from by the
end of the year. The Jags look bad in every facet.
Trevor Lawrence looks exactly like we talked about in the offseason.
He looks like long haired Derek Carr, who, by the way,
Derek Carr turned back into Derek Carr in the Saints
(04:17):
versus Eagles. We'll get into that, but yeah, unfiltered thoughts.
On the overall weekend, I was writing down some notes.
There were some really weird, really really weird upsets going
on in the NFL as a whole. If you follow gambling,
you're betting at all five underdogs in the spread by
(04:38):
five or more points are thirteen and two covering and spread,
and a lot of times they're just upsetting the teams
that they're playing. It happened to my Dallas Cowboys. It's
happened to a lot of teams where you thought, oh,
this team is certainly gonna win. You know, the Buccaneers
are the most recent victims of it, with the Denver
Broncos and BOONICKX who had a great showing out of nowhere,
just trouncing the Buccaneers. By the way, if you ever
(04:59):
shod Whites, say shares, please sell. But the overall theme
I want to focus on for just five more minutes
before we take a quick break and then chat with
my buddy Tanner. This is the running back renaissance that
we're in for Fantasy once again, no Thomas, no Dylan,
so I get to be a little unfiltered with numbers.
Did you know that the running back eighteen, Devin Singletary,
(05:22):
has scored more half PPR points than the following names
through three weeks, Ceedee lamb Am and raw tyreek Kill.
Did you know that even in six point touchdowns scoring formats,
Saquon Barkley, who's the running back one on the year,
has only been outscored by Josh Allen, who's leading Who's
by the way, Josh Allen's gonna win the MVP. Saquon Barkley,
(05:43):
my guy, By the way, for the twenty twenty four
NFL season is absolutely tearing it up with Philadelphia. It
looks like he is going to be a star that's
going to continue to shine throughout the season, a real
league winner. Yeah, running backs are just dominating. There's several
you know, Alvin Kamara. Kamara and Sekwon Barkley both have
seventy plus half PPR points. There's not a single wide
(06:04):
receiver who's close to that. The actual wide receiver one
right now and half PPR scoring is Malik Neighbors at
fifty seven. You have to go all the way down
to running back ten to then match that points level.
That's just where we're at. Running backs. Running back ones
are outscoring wide receiver ones. Running back twos are outscoring
wide receiver twos. Do I think this will continue, not
to the same level it has if you're a dynasty player.
(06:29):
Most of the time, if you're doing it the right way,
You're building your team around the wide receiver position. It's
the most stable it takes, you get the longest amount
of use out of it, and usually historically, wide receiver
twos will outscore running back twos each and every season.
It's only usually the top five running backs that are
worth a lot of points. But you're gonna be hearing
a lot about it in the media. It seems like
(06:49):
NFL defenses are It's not just Cover two, it's just
the idea that they're not gonna get beat deep. They're
going to put a cap on the defense and make
you run the ball well. The running lanes have been there,
and running backs have been responding. We're seeing awesome renaissance
seasons out of Alvin Kamara, out of Derrick Henry, David
Montgomery looks unbelievable. Oh, Jamiir Gibbs looks great. I mean,
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the names go on and on, even more surprising guys.
I'm trying to think of who else I was bringing
up when looking at it, but I mean, Devon A.
Channing looks fantastic. Bryce Hall, you're happy with him. James Cook,
top five back, Jonathan Taylor, who we all forget about.
Zach Sharpening in place of Kenneth Walker is a top
(07:31):
ten running back. Jordan Mason as we all know, Waiver
Wire hero, JK. Dobbins, Brian Robinson again another great back.
James Connor looks good. Yeah, I could go on and on,
but it's a really difficult season. If you, like myself,
have built your dynasty team around the wide receiver position,
that's what we advise here on the Dynasty Exchange. I
think every single host that we've had on would say
(07:51):
that wide receivers last longer, are more valuable, especially in
Super Flex. They're the only position other than quarterback that's
gonna be taken in the first round. So you might
be frustrated. What do you do? Well, here's what I
would say. Running Backs are definitely still gonna be a
more relevant this season because the defenses, like I said,
are gonna have a cap on it. But be patient.
Remember that ced Lamb was like a low end wide
receiver too until Week five of last year. I'm not
(08:14):
selling am and Raw, I'm not selling Cede Lamb. I'm
not even selling Tyreek Hill. Well, depending on the roster construction,
you might need to, but I'm not gonna even pan
excel Tyreek Hill, especially in like a redraft situation. This season,
I think Water is gonna find its level, even though
the Dolphins are going to probably be quarterback hunting as
the week goes on. So just my unfiltered thoughts, we
are in a running back of renaissance. You need to
(08:35):
appreciate it exciting times. It's only been three weeks of
NFL football. I'm definitely trying to soak it all in.
But there's a lot of storylines left to unfold. I mean,
tight ends have been crap. It was great to see
Dalton and k catch a touchdown tonight, but brock Bauers
finally turned into a pumpkin. He was the only tight
end that seemed like he was gonna be steady Eddie
and continue to give you points. So still a lot
(08:57):
of questions left to be answered and excited for week
for to roll around. But we're gonna segue really quickly.
I have a great interview get to know Tanner. He's
currently the Dynasty Exchange Power ranked number one player, his
team is the best through three weeks, and he's been
accused of building his team by some unjust memes. Mike
(09:18):
is a bit of a hater, so Mike was more
than okay with me having him on the show to
kind of defend himself and get to the bottom of
how did he build such a strong team, specifically around
that wide receiver position that I just talked about in
such a short time. But once again, guys, any just
a reminder, like, it's fun to play fantasy, it's best
to play it with your friends. Find a league, and
build a league with people you know and you want
(09:39):
to live life with. That's the best way to make
it happen. So we just want to introduce another person
that we're doing that as we go on this journey
of trying to build the best league in America, introducing
another character in that league. Right after this, you know,
the YouTube, the Spotify, the Apple music algorithms are not
able to tell me which listeners of this show are
(10:02):
only childs or which listeners of this show don't have
an older brother. But every fantasy league always feels, at
least everyone that I've played in, there's always that one
player who's like very very good, very very competent, but
is the most annoying owner. Not because they talk trash,
but specifically because they don't. They keep to themselves, they
(10:23):
stay obnoxiously humble. They're like, yeah, having a lot of
good fortune, and you know it's like sort of an act,
but deep down you also know it isn't an act.
What makes you feel bad about yourself? And so I
would like to welcome the most hated older brother owner
we currently have in the league of record the Dynasty Exchange,
Tanner Roclydis. I was gonna say an old friend, but
(10:44):
we're like at medium friend status, Like we've become really
good friends in the last two years, but it's not
been deeper than that, because I think you're obnoxious with
how good you are at Fantasy and how humble you
are about it.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Well, if that's the title that I've earned in the
first few months of the Dynasty Exchange, I guess I'll
take it. Josh, thanks for having me on Dynasty Exchange.
Thanks for thanks for welcoming.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
You didn't defend it, you just like, oh, I'm so
happy to be here. Thanks. This is exactly what I'm
talking about. It's it's emotion, it's gaslight, Like you're hated.
How dare you? It's the only one that sees you
that way.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I was told before the show that I was hated,
and this was this was news to me. Now I
can't exactly say I'm surprised because we did kind of
come out from nowhere. The team was looking like it
was gonna be a rebuild. It's no longer a rebuild,
so I guess I can't say I'm surprised, but but what,
what's what's the story here?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Well, I think it'll be good to tell it for
the listeners too, just to give some context. Tanner, you
we've talked fantasy now like heavy for almost two years.
You were in a Dynasty league. We met at church
and we're very similar style players, like we're both very
much delayed gratification build and so I invited you to
(12:03):
be part of the Dynasty Exchange because I knew you
had the note no at all. I believe you have
a friends and family league like back home. You do
a podcast just for those guys as well. So yeah,
very similar grind. You're a commissioner. You're actually the treasurer
for the Dynasty Exchange. A very organized guy. Really appreciate
that about you. Here's why you're hated. Number one, The
(12:25):
Dynasty Exchange is sixteen people. That's a lot, and not
everyone really knows each other personally. You were quite literally,
like you said, a rebuild. You took JJ McCarthy in,
you know, like the rookie draft. You. I forget who
your other QB was. I think it was Bryce Young
who you magically traded away before he turned to nothing.
Right before the season too.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I did get to first for Bryce Young that morning.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
That it's disgusting. It's crazy how things change, but you
ended up stacking up a lot of first round picks
in our startup draft, and then you then turned those
first round picks into the best wide receiver corps I
think I've ever seen in Dynasty. And it's in a
sixteen team league, Like there are twelve team leagues that
would kill you have Justin Jefferson. You have Cede Lamb,
(13:13):
you have Alman ros Saint Brown. Oh, surprise, surprise, Chris
Godwin was one of your flyers, hoping the veteran would
would do well, and he's off to an unbelievable hot start.
I think through week two weeks he's the wide receiver one.
He probably will still be that after week three. I
haven't checked the numbers yet, but dude, you've put together
an absolute monstrosity of a roster. You're the front runner
(13:35):
in league of record and some of your trades we'll
get into him. That's why you have haters. It was
out of nowhere. You didn't talk trash. You weren't this
flamboyant personality. It made everyone that was hustling from day one,
like myself, feel a little bit stupid and a little
bit frustrated.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
You know, well, I mean I want to just I
was thinking about this because I had a feeling when
we were going down this route, being the first other
than Michael h and Dylan Dylan and Thomas, of course,
but I'm kind of like the first one of the
first like real new guys on this show. I'm a
little nervous. There's like a Madden Curse situation going on here.
(14:12):
I'm three and zero. I mean, I'm coming on here.
I'm taking a risk. I don't know if you I
don't know if you appreciate that, but I'm thinking about
risks coming on the show. We're about to enter bye
week season. I you know, I almost turned down the
invitation to come on this show. Just, you know, you
just don't do with that stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
For a couple of weeks. Is this because you were concerned?
You've been like Dylan's team has gotten obliterated by injuries,
Michael Hawley makes some unfortunate times trades, He's gotten obliterated
by injuries. Thomas's well, you and Thomas might be in
the championship against each other, so.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
We shall see. I mean, Thomas apparently wants to sell
Josh Allen after Josh Allen put up fifty points tonight,
Like we can talk about that later, you know, the
good old My player just had like the top performance
in f NC week. I'm gonna go try and sell them.
There's not a price, like, there's just whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
After a crazy game you feel like that's poor taste.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Well, there's just it's like, what do you want? What
would you what do you possibly want for Josh Allen
after he just put up I don't even know how
many points he scored, but it's like, I will give
you my entire roster for Josh Allen, Like that's the price.
It's just there's not a trade that's gonna get done
now if you're doing it for flexing purposes, Thomas, I
hear you. If we're looking to make a deal, it's
(15:32):
just it's just not gonna work. I get it right,
we're in this for bragging rights. We play for money,
but really we play for bragging rights.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I feel like I just understood another level of you.
I feel like you are the type of person that
feels feels like the waste management. Open is bad for golf.
You're like, people should be quiet and clap and appreciate
the players in front of it. Like there's just no spies.
There's no spie. Something is silly.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Side of Dynasty. Yeah, So outside of the Dynasty Exchange,
we have another redraft league, which is let's be honest,
it is it is the priority over the Dynasty Exchange.
As much as we love as much as we love
this because of the relationships. I'm just saying what I'm
just saying, what are you talking? Well, back in the
day around the World Series, we have a particular friend
(16:22):
who was just going on and on and on about
how certain things were just bad for baseball, and I
just realized, I'm a little bit like that friend.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Oh, I wanted the monologue mutual friends shout out Isaac
Gross when when it was the Rangers versus the Diamondbacks
last year. Yeah, he was like, this is bad for baseball.
Keep in mind, I am from Dallas, Texas and I
currently live in areas. I'm like, shut up, dude, no
one cares, like think about it. These two teams have
no marketability. And that's that's what you're saying. You are
(16:53):
you're an old man who's grumpy, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I'm some people say you're in advance for your years,
and then you just turn into a curmudgeon. And it's
just kind of the just kind of the the arc
of like the that mature teenager. You just become a
curmudgeon at like age twenty nine to thirty, and that's
just that's just the way it is. But well, you're
trying to overcome trying to overcome.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
That, ya, No, I think that's that's ever since having
our sons hopefully will be friends. Hopefully they're going to
be on the same baseball team where I will teach
them to have personalities and you will teach them to honor,
you know, like the rules of the game. But I
think I think when you have your first kid, you
you instantly it's like the events just wins, championships, grilling
(17:37):
out is the best, Like there are certain things that
are allowed to happen, getting.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Back to throw strikes. Yeah, all that.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I don't know the baseball. I don't know the baseball.
Like old platitudes. For what it's worth, listen, dynasty change
the most important. If you're referring to the redraft, we're
playing in terms of like kicksing giggles in our immediate
friend group, yes, but it is nothing like the competitive level,
which is why the real reason you have haters is
the way you got Justin Jefferson. In particular, it irks Mike.
(18:07):
I'll name drop here. You were able to trade three
first round picks and was there any seconds in there?
I'm just trying to remember for I want to give you.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Let's look, because you got you.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
You got Ramandre Stevenson and Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
So I traded three firsts, a second, and a fourth
for Justin Jefferson and Ramondre Stephenson right before the season started,
and h June twenty seven, that feels right before the
season started.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
It's right around the corner. I didn't hate personally the
direction for the other team. They had holes, they had
Justin Jefferson, Jordan love some older pieces and they wanted
to kind of build slowly over the future. So I
didn't hate the direction. I hated the price because I
personally owned so many I would have paid four firsts
(18:59):
to get Justin Jeffer and on my team right like
that day, you get Ramandre Stevenson, who through the first
two weeks looked great, turned into a pumpkin this last week.
But that's neither here nor there. Would love a temperature
check on him later. It's because you have relationship with
that owner, You play with that other owner in another
in other leagues, that someone you know. Everyone in the
league who doesn't know the two of you. I had
(19:20):
calls specifically for Mike and maybe one other is like, oh,
is this is this collusion? Are we just running a
hustle over here? So what would you say? How did
that trade happen? And can you defend an egregious price?
Because keep in mind DeVante Smith had been sold for
two firsts, Kyle Pitts, Bryce Young had been sold for
two There are leagues out there that are looking to
(19:44):
us as the standard of what should things be priced at?
What are competitive leagues trading for players at? And in
a sixteen team league? First are deluded, they are, it's
a top sixteen player in a draft, not a top twelve,
not a top ten. So how do you defend this
egregious price for Justin Jefferson Ormandre Stevenson that made you
a content overnight?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Well, here's the thing. Some people want to play the
game Some people want to play the opponent. Some people
want to play the market. I have never played a
competitive down of football in my life. We talk about
being a ball knower. That is not me. I have
no idea, but I do know that Justin Jefferson is
a really, really, really good player, and I knew that
(20:23):
to get Justin Jefferson, I was going to have to
align with that other owner's timeline and wishes. I wish
I had some crazy story of wheeling and dealing on
phone calls and all that I sent the offer. I
was sitting in my barber chair getting a haircut my
Apple watch buzz. I looked at it and it's a
(20:44):
Dynasty exchange. A trade has been completed. I pulled up
my phone and I was ecstatic. I think it was
people are not giving me enough credit for actually sending
three firsts. Plus I know it's a second and a fourth,
but I there are multiple people who could have sent
(21:05):
three firsts now. I will also point out it was
three twenty twenty five firsts where DeVante Smith was sold
for a twenty five and a twenty six first, So
there is some nuance. There is some difference. Oh to
be able to send three twenty five first. You actually
have to own three twenty five first. And you and I.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Started the draft repeatedly. And if you're listening and you
play dynasy for the first time, if you have the patience,
people will trade in a startup draft, everyone's gonna win. Now,
everyone's gonna build a championship roster. You and I both
have built very different looking teams in this league, but
in other other leagues as well. If you're just patient
for a single year, Oh my gosh, the way you
(21:46):
can get out ahead of people is insane. And you
certainly did that because then you had the piggy bank
to go get Justin Jefferson while still having Cee Lamb,
while still having Aman Raw makes people frustrated. I think
it's hearing that story. It makes other people frustrated from
the pros of like why is that owner trading with you?
Why is that owner even in the league. This is
supposed to be real competitive. Why didn't they counter you?
And is your response to those people essentially like, hey,
(22:08):
don't hate the player, hate the game. I follow the rules.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
That's all I can say. Everything was above board. I
can't say anything else. I sent the offer. It was accepted.
I think it was. I think it was a reasonable price. Wow,
should I have been charged more? Perhaps I wasn't. I'll
take it.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Are you gonna be Can you really be faulted for
another owner being inept? And isn't that the point? Isn't
the point of Fantasy getting a better price than someone
else would have gotten? I mean, you know, I'm sorry,
I'm winning. Is that kind of your your overall opinion
on it?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
You know, after watching Week seventeen, after enduring the pain
of you winning a Fantasy championship off of my team
winning last year, I am. I am out for blood.
I'm out for blood.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
So this is a revengeaire. So once again, another re
draft league we play. We've sourced several owners from that
league into the Dynasty Exchange, not all of them, because
there are definitely just some characters there that are there
to be characters. It's a friends of family league. But
I come over as first time. I was hanging out
and I had Jayden Reid. You're a diehard pack Packer fan,
and Jayden Reid first play the game. Basically that we're
(23:17):
really paying attention to scores, me the points I need
to win, and you did not even give me a
high five. You were very very rude.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
You need to win that game to go to the playoffs.
Like it was a great day. It was a horrible
It was the best of times. It was the worst
of times. Yeah, right to quote to quote. Ungratulates me
in that league.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
It makes me really mad. No one likes it when
I do well at all. No one says anything like
the chat dies.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Hopefully you get your Dynasty exchange.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah, well here's the problem. I suck in Dynasty Exchange.
I have traded everything away for future capital to play
the slow game. You did it before me, and now
you have a roster. I know what dealing with you.
I'm not going to be able to buy at a discount.
But listen, we I just brought up Jayden Reid. I
want to ask you, as a Packer fan, what are
your thoughts on Jordan Love as a Dynasty player as well?
(24:04):
With Malik Willis succeeding like he just did in the
system for Matt Lafleur, are you starting to kind of believe, Hey,
it's the system a little bit more than the player,
and which which Packers are you kind of most excited about?
Are you all around bullish on the Packers as a whole. Well,
a lot of questions in there, I know.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Sorry, So going into this season, I didn't own a
single Packers player in Fantasy, in redrafted, Dynasty, in anything
in another league. I acquired Josh Jacobs this week. Now,
the reason that I don't didn't own any Packers is
not because I'm low on the Packers. It's because they're
so like their offense, there's so many options that I'm
(24:43):
not like, I'll just allocate my resources elsewhere. I'm not.
I'm not gonna play the Christian Watson went off for
two touchdown game or Jayden Reid, you know, like just
miss me with that. I would love to have Jordan Love.
I've tried to acqui him from the Dynasty exchange owner.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I think, the same owner you got Jefferson from. I
think there might be a league wide band where you're
not allowed to trade with them after that.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
But it's not well yeah, I mean I frankly, I
don't really care if it's the system or if it's
the quarterback. I Week one was watching it was the
Packers Eagles game, and it was my it was my son.
He'll be turning eight months in a week. Uh. It
(25:30):
was my son's first Packer game, and I sat him
down in the front of the TV and it occurred
to me that he was born into the third generation
of potential. I mean, I'm not gonna say Hall of
Fame for Jordan Love, but we've got back to back
Hall of Fame quarterbacks and we now have another very
good quarterback. And it was just like it was this
(25:51):
this full circle moment of like I was born at
the beginning of the far Of era. I saw Farv's end.
Then I saw Rogers with a little bit a Seneca
Wallace sprinkled in there, and then and then now my
son is born right into Jordan Love futures bright. I mean,
go go pack Go.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, it's there are certain franchises like I wish I
could switch Fandoms to Packers would be in there.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
So you're welcome any time.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
No, I just bro listen. It's it's like family. I
can't leave the Cowboys at this point. I'm too pot
committed emotionally. I would love for my son to be
able to choose something different, but he's probably gonna love
what I love. And I'm he's you know, generational curses.
People talk about those being a thing. It's get ready
for well marketed mediocrity. I love what the Packers are doing.
I will say I actually think Jade Reid is truly
(26:41):
the one in that offense. And when Jordan Love gets healthy,
I'm excited to see what he can do. We play
fantasy in a number of leagues together. Obviously the dynasty
change is the most important. I love Jayden Reiding best
ball We were talking about it because you put together
the worst run best ball league I've ever met. It's
a best ball league, but it's not a best ball league.
I'm so upset, but I'm gonna show this on air now.
I don't think anyone else has noticed that you turned
on punt return yards and kick return yards, yes, as
(27:04):
eligible points. No one else has done that, and I've
seen that, and that's why I have Marvin ms Kiante Turpin.
I have like half my team is kick returners because
it's like sixteen teams. Oh, it's terrible. Pay attention to
your league settings, by the way, because sneaky commissioners will
add that in without saying a word, and it greatly
affects the scoring.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I said to everyone, make sure you check the scoring
before the draft.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
That is I can't help it that.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I can't help if they did or didn't.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
See I love. I love that you.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Suck in that league, so it doesn't even matter.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Well, that's you know, it is what it is. It
you know, you're learning, you're growing, it's it's all part
of you should have taken Jaden Reied best. Ball's a
different beast, but we won't get into that. I'm really
excited about Jayden Reed and I'm glad he's not on
your roster because he was a player that you used
to trade away to go get Am and Ross Saint Brown.
I want to pivot to the Lions. Is it hard
for you, as a die hard Packer fan that you
(27:56):
just talked about to root for the Lions because you
have you know, you're heavily invested in him. With Am
and Raw, they were one of the main pieces of
your of your roster. Or is it you can separate
week from chaff and it's like, hey, I'll root for
all of my players.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
You know. The harder the There was a there was
about a five year period where I just didn't play
fantasy and I kind of did it under the guise
of like, no, I don't want to have to root
against the Packers, right. Well, then I like got dragged
into a league basically, somebody got kicked out of the league.
I had to step in and it just so happened. Yeah,
(28:30):
And it just so happened that that it was a
redraft league. You know, it's kind of a messy situation.
But I stepped into a team.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
With I would love to hear in a redraft league.
Someone got kicked out and you had to seem a
redraft league.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
It was a work league where the guy got got terminated.
That yeah, it was, it was. It was a situation,
but I stepped into that team.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Also, we're gonna need you to sign out of the
ESPN app. You're not you don't finish the league.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, that was. That was an interesting conversation. But we
I took over that team and I had it was
that was twenty twenty and I had Rogers and DeVante Adams,
So I got the best of both worlds. And that
was the year where Rogers drafted George Adams receiver one
(29:22):
like just went nuclear. So I was like, oh, well
I could just I could just have Packers on my
roster every year and I'll just be happy about it. Well,
as time has gone on, I've you know, I've stepped
away from that philosophy. But now the hardest part is
not for for me, isn't you know having a Bears
player or having a Lions player or a Vikings player
(29:44):
or anything like that. It's actually having players in one
league that are like on my arch rival in another.
So in my other dynasty league, my brother's team has
I'm on Ross Saint Brown and Justin Jefferson, So I'm
so every week it's like, I'm, hey, great, Justin Jefferson
(30:05):
just got a ninety seven yard touchdown. But that also
means that that's a fifteen you know, that's a that's
a almost seventeen point touchdown for my brother. Yeah. And
it's it's this balance of like, man, I hope my
guys go off, but also, I you know, not too
much so that they so.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
That you know, it's more important to you that you
win that league or that your brother.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Loses who.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
That's a good question, I I you know, there's an
old there's an old fable about this. The god desire
yes runs into envy and greed on the road This
is a true You're we're very similar, by the way,
Like I'm unnecessarily deep on this show, like Dylan gives
me crap all the time, but you're very You're one
of my philosophical friends as well. The god desire runs
into envy and greed, and it says, I will grant
(30:52):
you anything you want. However, whatever you get, the other
gets double, and so both are like, oh, what do
I do? Yeah, And finally envy answers and says, I
would like you to take one of my eyes. I'd
like to be blind in one eye. And it's it's
(31:13):
crazy to think about, like, are you the type of
person like, oh, if he's winning, awesome, he went to
chip at least I got a championship, Or are you
like I want him to suffer so much?
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Well, so we put out a poll in that league
of who are you rooting against harder? And it was
me or my brother And my brother was the best
team in the league last year he fell in the championship.
I have been the worst team in that league for
two years. The votes were split fifty to fifty. Now,
I clearly am not rooting against myself, I'm rooting against him.
(31:43):
But I do think I want to win, but it's
it's a slim margin. You just there's just certain certain people,
certain teams you just want to see crash and burn.
That's one of them.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Are you okay with being that league or that team
in the in the dynasty change?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Because well, I think that's my fate. I think that's
I think that's I'm already there. I don't have a choice.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's what it sounds like.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I think it's.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Doubly it's gonna happen because Mike had that really great
trade for Am and Raw that he then undid partially
out of like, hey, it's early in the league that
you know Holly, Michael Holly is learning very quickly and
as if sharp players know, is more football than both
(32:27):
of us put together at this particular point in his career.
But fantasy is a different animal.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
But he he was just newmal Oh.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, people have no idea the value. I think it
takes two years for a league to become a league.
I've learned that now. It needs It takes a couple
of drafts for people to really go Okay, now I
know what we're talking about, and we have some really
seasoned onors in the dnasty change, and then we have
some owners who know football incredibly well and are eager
to learn, and they really shift the economy because there
are so many teams in the Diyastay change that are win. Now,
(32:56):
what was frustrating about you is that it seemed like
after a couple trades you have, you don't have any
firsts over the next two years.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Right, I have my twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
You are missing one first in twenty twenty five. That's it,
and you have the best roster right now. You have
gotten to have your cake and eat it too, and
so you should take it as a compliment. But screw you,
fro Bro, Like this is stupid? How dare you? I
at least I'm gonna suffer and I'm gonna have to
go through this season with zero wins and slowly climb
(33:27):
myself up with just JSN and George Pickens. Like that's
that those two guys and some first round picks. I
thought I'd be able to sell Russell Wilson that you
talk about a double edged short. My guy, just Field's
taken over the job. That's great, But I was also like,
I got shares with Russell Wilson, like I was gonna
sell him to a contender, not gonna happen to my superflex.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
But yeah, I mean, my my master plan here was
gonna I'm gonna rock with Rock Perdy as QB one
Rogers's QB two. I got McCarthy on my bench as
QB three. McCarthy's gonna get this job like week seven,
I'll flip Rogers for a first, right like that that
was my that was my master plan, and now all
(34:05):
of a sudden, that's that's no longer a thing. So
you know, you like it's funny how this thing changes.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
You're not a fun guest to speculate with, because you're
very like, I'll speak the truth, like I can analyze
as best I can, but you're like, let's let the
evidence play out, like very like put things about, like
be hyperbolic with me, be willing to dream. At least,
are you concerned, as the JJ McCarthy owner, with Sam
Donald's performance or are you taking it as a positive
that Kevin O'Connell is creating superstars?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Oh well, I mean it's hard to not see what
Sam Donald's doing and at least entertain the thought of, hmmm,
something like this happened with a guy named Trey Lance
a couple of years ago. It's it's impossible to not
entertain that thought. Yeah, at the same time, Trey Lance
got a chance, you know, like he he got the opportunity.
(34:59):
Brock pretty was just better. So I don't see there,
I don't he was just not good like in the preseason.
In the preseason, like or McCarthy Granady's stone against second stringers,
but like apparently it looked good. Uh, and things seem
(35:20):
to be like good news seems to be coming out
of Minnesota. So I'm not I'm not really concerned. I mean,
now somebody in the league is like, hey, I'd like
to stash McCarthy for next year. Let's let's let's talk.
But I'm not too concerned.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Give you first, make that happen for you.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
All right, we'll work up. We'll work a deal offline.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
See that's that's you. Though, It's like, I gotta I
gotta measure. I look at this objectively. It's like, no, man,
just make a make make.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Me many There there are times I try to be uh.
So I'm reading a book called Unreasonable Hospitality, and this
guy talks, he talks about this ninety five five rules,
and he says, I'm sorry, I can't help it.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Okay, you were the only person on this show that
I can make like I am the butt of this joke.
Every week when Dylan is here, which Dylan is on
maternity leave, he will paternity leave.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
He will leave. Yeah, fraternity didn't their kid was born.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
No, no, no no, but he yeah, okay, so we're just
we're just giving him time, like yo, you're you're free,
you know, at any moment kind of thing. But he
makes fun of you.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
So I'm reading this book. So I'm reading this book,
and he talks about the ninety five to five rule
and he says he this so he so this guy
he owned, uh and he didn't own. He managed the
number one restaurant in the world, as it was voted
by the people who vote for that kind of thing.
Eleventh eleventh Madison Park and it's it's in New York.
(36:50):
And he says that he developed this ninety five five
rule where he would like manage the budget like so
intensely nine percent of the time, like the budget he's
gonna like pinch pennies down to the you know down
to like the fullest extent, but then he would take
five percent and he would like spend that money just
like lavishly, So he would spend it on uh, just
(37:13):
like creating this amazing experience or throwing this like amazing
Christmas party. And that is not too dissimilar from how
I've learned how to play Dynasty. I'm gonna, I'm gonna
I'm gonna be really shrewd percent of the time, and
then five percent of the time, I'm just gonna go
cash in and uh swing for the fences. And Uh,
(37:35):
I'm not saying that that's the right way to play,
it's just the way that kind of aligns with me
and and how I just tend to go about life.
I think that's another thing that you and I have
talked about a lot, is like Dynasty is such a
it reveals your character, and it actually it develops your
character a lot too.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
This is so great. It's like so many people like
Thomas is gonna give you so crap, so much crap
listening to this. But how you do anything is how
you do everything right.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
It's so true.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
And I've learned I've grown in certain things in my
other parts of life because I spent way too many
first round picks the first year I played Dynasty and
thought I can cash in now and just begin to
go and like the value of saving. Not to say
that we weren't doing that financialip, but just even with
certain career things, I'm like, you know what, saying no
to this opportunity is saying yes to another one, Like
(38:26):
Dynasty helps you with that, like psychosis. Not to make
it unnecessarily deep, but it does a great follow on
Twitter shout out Dynasty Onion. He has post like that
all the time. Like, if you want to follow someone
on Twitter that makes Dynasty, you want to become a
better person while playing Dynasty, followed Dynasty Onion because it's
it's very much dynastality.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Dynasty Onion is naval Van for Dynasty players.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
No one knows, No one knows who the first person
you mentioned in that analogy was naval Who the heck
are we even talking about?
Speaker 2 (38:58):
So search him up as name is Navall and A V. A. L.
Raba Kant. He's like Silicon Valley investor, kind of like
very wise, kind of like investor guy.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Uh, he's got it. You'll get it.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
You'll get it. When you look.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I just once again, it's it's very very fun for
me to be on the opposite opposite end of that
exchange in dynamic because I'm always pulling you've heard the show,
you're a fan of it. I'm always pulling out these
random analogies doing like where did you even get that?
And now people need to do us. I hang out
with people who do this better and more than me.
I'm not the only one. Okay, last question before I
(39:36):
kind of let you go, Well, not last question per se,
but I want to kind of get your temperature on. Well,
we talked about it already with with with JJ McCarthy,
Is there a world where you trade him to me?
And what would be the price on him?
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I told you, hey, I don't do I don't do like.
I respect that you can work deals out live here.
You do not the way I play. Now, Yes, if
you send me four first, you can have JJ McCarthy
do today? What years?
Speaker 1 (40:06):
All twenty five?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Okay, would you do for two? No? I think we
found your price. It's two and a half. That's the
price that would make you think you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (40:21):
We'll take this offline.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, we will, but I wouldn't do it because here's
the deal. Those picks are worth more later. Yeah. Man,
it's interesting for Packer fans. You have a lot of
Viking shares, Justin Jefferson, JJ McCarthy, Ty Chandler, Aaron Jones. Dude,
you're a trader to your own.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
You got to become a little player agnostic. Unfortunately, that's
fair to say that.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
It is fair to say.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
So okay, So Josh, what like talk to the people
through I know people know people who listen to the show.
They're like, okay, Josh is the bank. He's tanking, like, yeah,
have you have you executed this before?
Speaker 1 (40:57):
How did it go?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
What are you looking at do?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
What's the what's the game?
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Places a little preview, give us a little preview.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
So part of it is I was doing this in
the original League of Record that Mike Dylan and I
left that will not be named. It's too painful. I
haven't seen the counselor no, just kidding. I had already
built up a wealth of capital and that roster. I
think my wide receiver like I was, I had Justin
(41:26):
Fields and Jordan Love and eight firsts in twenty five
and a number of them in twenty six, like it
was very I was really looking forward to completing that experiment.
So part of my excitement with the Dynasty exchange is
once again, I wasn't planning to do that. It's just
when the when the startup draft happened, I saw other
people making trades. Instead of getting mad that I didn't
get the deal someone else got, I called and said, well,
(41:47):
will you trade that first? That's another thing in dinostylicuse.
People get so mad when you first start playing, like
why did you do that deal with that person? It's like, bro,
call that same person. If there's an owner that you
think is giving away free free food.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Go eat, Like go get the food. Yeah, go make a.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Trade, like what are we talking about? Because that also
kills any any conspiracies about like collusion people you don't know.
It's like, hey, are you consistently? Is that person consistent
with their prices with everyone? Side note, I can't give
too much of my game away, But the reality is
I've already I've already told everyone. It's it's delayed gratification.
(42:23):
I've seen this done, I've done it to an extent
in other leagues, but I've never completed the project. I'm
looking forward to completing the project in Dynasty Exchange. In
the other league of record we talk about Dynasty Cartel,
very competitive league, some very good owners. I'm pretty much
all in in that league. It's the opposite poll. I
have cashed in almost all of my capital. I'm a
win now team receivers Jamar Chase, Garrett Wilson, DeVante Smith,
(42:45):
George Pickens, Kyron Williams at running back with James Cook
or not James Cook, Jamier Gibbs. Like I'm all in
in one league. In this league, I'm fine to build
slowly over time. The way I see it, though I
don't know football better than how the guys I play with. Actually,
like I I know ball pretty well. I study this stuff.
I'm a nerd for it. My goal is to use
(43:06):
those firsts when they're at the peak of their value
to build the team I want. Some of that's gonna
be buying veterans. Some of that's gonna be buying players
that are later, some of it's trading into the into
you know, the future. I just see first round picks
as such a safe asset class for you to invest in,
Like all the twenty five first I currently have cannot
tear an ACL and people are like, well, wait, college
players can't. No. No. What I'm saying is the pick
(43:28):
is always safe, and whoever would be that the one
oh one just changes it slides in if someone else
gets injured, right, Like, who's the quarterback for Florida State
last year? I was really high on him, Jordan Travis. Like,
I thought Jordan Travis would be a back end first
round pick in uh super flex the NFL. Yeah and
(43:48):
NFL as well. Yeah, agreed, especially with the way quarterbacks
were taken in that draft. Had he finished his college career,
he probably would have been I had him at the
one oh nine, Okay, Jordan Travis, Tari's ACL, the whole
college thing, okay, great, The one of nine then became
exavior worthy, right, Like, that's the safety of first round picks,
and you don't have to know if guys are going
to pan out. You can just you can then trade
(44:08):
that first round pick for a superstar you already like,
or into the future or whatever. So I just like
the flexibility. The end game is to reset the league.
It's to win three times in a row so that
we have to reset. That's gonna be hard to do.
I think it's gonna be hard to win just one,
and but you are well in your way to doing that.
You're number one in the power rankings that I will
release later in the week for the dynast Exchange. And uh,
(44:31):
but I'm still crushing you in the re Draft League.
We play together, so that's always satisfying.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
That's really what matters.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
That's what No, No, the Dynastic Change is what matters
to me. It does because that's where we're both competing
at a high level. Like your friends and family leagues,
you know, it's one of those things like there's always
a couple owners like you're like, Okay, I beat this guy.
I'm quicker to the way.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Yeah, But it's great having you on, man, it's great
to talk to someone who's genuinely smarter than me. Any
final thoughts, and when you want to shout out because
this is your episode, you know, you're introduced yourself to
the league for the first time, hopefully the last time,
because you become irrelevant after this episode.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Well again, thanks for having me. Shout out to Michael
Smith for making all of this happen. I was telling
somebody about this league this week or this weekend. They're like,
how in the world are you you know, I was
just like saying, oh, yeah, you know, it's like Josh
is in it, and you know, this guy's in it,
and this guy's in it, and this guy's in it,
and you know, everybody's going to meet hopefully meet those
people over the course of this podcast. And somebody who's like,
(45:29):
how in the world are you connected to all these people?
And I was like, well, it goes back to Josh
going and picking up Michael Smith and every and everything
that's happened there. So Michael, thank you. You know, I'm
sorry that you and I kind of have some beef.
You didn't respond to my my DM last week, so
(45:49):
it looks like that's gone a little too deep. Maybe
maybe we need to reconcile hop on like a zoom call,
maybe hug it out or something. But but you know,
just appreciative of of the league, excited about you know,
year one here, two, year three, and hopefully we don't
have to reset anytime soon because I think we all,
I think we're all it's fun when it's fun when
(46:11):
everyone in the league like is actively kind of going
in a direction I think as we get further along,
as we get further along this season, I think people
like those directions will be chosen for a lot of
people and and I'm not I'm not excluded from that.
Uh all three of my top dogs could very well
go down now that now that I have entered you know,
(46:33):
the the Dynasty Exchange curse, it could, it could quite
possibly happen. So again, thanks Josh, appreciate you and excited
for all that to come.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Ladies and gentlemen. That was Crimudgenie old man, older brother
figure of the Natix Change. Thanks coming on, Yeah,
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