Dr Dylan & the Fantasy Implications of the Bursa Sac

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
It was at this point last year where the hope
and the hype for Bryce Young was through the roof.
It was at this point last year that CJ. Stroud
was a certified bust because this man couldn't read an
NFL defense. It was at this point last year that
I believed Kenny Pickett was gonna be the key to

(00:30):
not only George Pickens, but the Steelers offense as a whole. Gentleman,
Welcome to the season of lies, Welcome to the season
of deception. It was at this point two years ago
that Josh Jacobs, well, it was even a little further back,
Josh Jacobs was not going to be on the Raiders
and was a fantasy bus boys. We just saw NFL
preseason Week one, and I'm ready to be fooled. I'm

(00:52):
ready to be hoodwinked again because you can't convince me.
You can't convince me. Jj McCarthy isn't going to be
a fantasy stud. Dylan Thomas, you can't convince me. Actually
you did convince me. Jermaine Burton, Hall of Famer, No question,
We're going to get to all of that. We're gonna
get to all of that. We've got preseason Week one

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biggest takeaways. But I open that way just to remind us, Dylan, this,
this time last year, we were getting ready to debut
the show, and dude, we were hitting the books hard
because we did not want to have egg on our face.
We wanted to be professional, don't want to let Mike down.
We got our egg on our face anyway, It's just
what we learned. You do play, But can you just

(01:34):
remember last year? Like, how how much? At least for me,
I really did think that the preseason research was gonna
tell us a lot more about the actual NFL season.
So are you more hesitanting or laid back going into
this year getting ready to call your shots so much?

Speaker 2 (01:50):
More? Like you think knowledge is power when it comes
to fantasy football, and then the actual NFL season happens
and you're like, absolutely not. I should have just stuck
with my intuition. And I'm already an intuitive person. So
it's like, however I feel is how I'm going, and
I'm going with that one hundred percent, and I'll die
on that hill.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
I think you tend to die on that hill anyway.
But yeah, man, if I'm basing it off of Week one,
bro Joe Milton's gonna beat out your guy, Drake May.
It's guarantee. It's an absolute guarantee.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
I love what the preseason does to people.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
I know, right' it's your first time, you know, on
the saddle. Put it your you know, getting out there
as a fantasy analyst, slash entertainer whatever we want to
call ourselves. But what are your what are your reactions
as you evaluate and attempts to provide value to others
in the fantasy space, you know, looking at your first
NFL preseason.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
I just like to take everything with a grain of salt.
This is preseason. They plant backups are playing backups, and
some first stringers are playing third stringers and people who
would be selling cars next year.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
So look, yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Know what I'm saying, like, we gotta we gotta make
sure that we keep everything in perspective because you know
all that, you know, glitters ain't goal. So it can
seem like somebody is going to be the next big
thing because they had a really good weekend.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
First week in preseason. But we've seen preseason heroes before.
I don't know if you remember a mir Abdulah and
preseason and never materialized. Never monitor anything. So you know,
just you know, take everything, take it slow. You know,
we'll break down a little bit. You know, you gotta.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Still take in a consideration the eye test and things
that you've seen. But don't get too excited, stay calm,
and we'll make it through.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
We're going to get to the specific reactions. I'm really
excited to talk about which games you guys actually watch,
because NFL games, I try to watch every single one
I can. I'm I'm a part of that lawsuit against
the NFL for Sunday ticket because I have un for
six years. I watch every day I can't. I'm excited.
But preseason I bounce around. I'm like, give me the
highlights with which guy, which snaps were taken. So I'm

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excited to see what you guys saw and hear from
you guys. Maybe there's some stuff I miss but before
we do, and we talked about this at length in
previous weeks, the most important part of the preseason for fantasy.
For fantasy are the injuries and are you going to survive?
Is your roster gonna survive? Uh? The injuries that pop
up many a championship roster has sunk before the season

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ever began because just preseason injuries Joe Burrow last year,
you know Cooper Cup which led the way to Pook
and a Coula, And I'll start there. Pook and a
Kula is going to miss the rest of the preseason.
It's a knee injury of some type. Is it a
knee brew? I don't I'm not a medical expert. Dylan.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Did you hear sac or his bursa sack, which I
don't know if you guys know what that is.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
It's like you have.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
You've got bursas and your you've got bursa sacks and
your elbows, your knees. I guess it was a ruptured
bursa sack if I'm understanding it correctly. And so I
don't know that it's it's just something that they're monitoring
week to week. I'm no doctor. That's just what I heard.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
You know what bursus sacks are.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
You could absolutely I've had an infection in my bursus
sack in my elbow one time. Bro painful, extremely glad that.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
You said in my elbow, my bursu sack in my elbow.
You didn't say, Hey, I had an infection in my
sack at one point it was much better.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
I made sure to properly explain myself that was very
any visual, inarticulate.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Good job, good job, Dylan, medical professional. But Puka is injured.
Thomas redraft Dynasty turns into redrafting in Dynasty. You're not
You're not changing your opinion on Pooka because of him
missing preseason by any stretch. But if you are making
a push for a championship or maybe you know in
your redraft leagues, how does this affect your opinion or
your value of him.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
I don't think it affixed it at all, to be
perfectly honest with you. You know, you gotta what injuries
like this, They're gonna be injuries in the preseason.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
But Pooka is a veteran.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
If he was a rookie, you really have to like
think about some an alternative plan to your season or
to start the season at least, because he's gonna come
on slow. But we know Puka can do it. We've
seen it done last year. I mean, if they if.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
They're saying only we can only go by what they say.
Because I didn't know what a versus sack was until
just now. I was today years old what it was.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
So if the doctors, if Sean McVeigh is saying that
it's going to be a couple of weeks but he'll
be fine, I would say just accept that as gospel
and just roll with that because you're not gonna find
anybody better than Pooka. But you know, if he's not
ready by week one, you know, you should probably have
an alternative anyway, just in case.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Maybe I should articulate it this way, Dylan, you're on
the clock in a redraft league standard half PPR or
something like that. If his ADP is the back of
the first, you know, in the twelve team league, so
he's going to like the one eleven, one to twelve.
Where are you comfortable taking him? Is it still there? Maybe?
Is it mid second?

Speaker 2 (06:56):
You know, I'm not sure guy asked that question because
even before the Injuria wasn't taken there, so all I
would feel comfortable taking Puka back into the second For me,
that's where I would feel comfortable taking him once all
of the other top tier wide receivers are gone and
now you're kind of playing who should I get? You
don't really want to take an RB there, it's too

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early for quarterback and single quarterback leagues. I would take
him at the back of the second, but that's and
that was before the injury. With the injury, probably early third,
and I'm just lower on him.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
That's what I actually was going to ask you, was
it because of the injury that he's going back half
of the second or that's just where you are at
with Pooka right now.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
That's just where I'm at with Pooka right now. I
think with Cooper Cup returning, Cooper Cup was not healthy
and I know people want to say he's getting old
all whatever it is, but the reality is is Cooper
Cup and Stafford have had rapport for years.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Now.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
We know this Cooper Cup will be healthy to start
the season. Now, whether he remains healthy or not, I'm
not going to project that, but I do think it
eats into what Puoka did last year, So he's due
for and I just don't think that he's going to
repeat and get you back your value in the early
or sorry late first, early second.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah. I mean, my entire reason for being bought in
on Puka last year, and the reason I was out
on Cup last year was a hamstring injury. And I
want to keep I want to make sure I provide
context to this. If a player's missing preseason and they're
south of age twenty five, I'm a lot more confident
it's not a major issue. And Cooper is getting to
that age where it's like, hey, it's harder to you know,
listen as a I'm flirting with thirty this year, and

(08:29):
I actually pulled my hamstring this year, and I will
tell you it is not an easy recovery. The road
to recovery is. I understand Cooper Cup. I don't fault
you for what happened last year. It is good to
you took your time. But with Puoka, I think he
can get back pretty quick. But I like what you
said as well, Thomas, that he doesn't need like he
doesn't have to earn snaps, you know what I mean.
It's not like he's not going to be in the
game plan when he comes back healthy. He's already established

(08:50):
himself as a fantasy force. But I at the same
time as that being said, my entire reason for disliking
Cooper Cup last year was if you're not starting out
the season hot, ready to go, that's super detrimental to
your fantasy team. So I was out on Cooper Cup.
I think, like I have him in a keeper league
and I'm in Dynasty. I think I may change my

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keeper simply because it's like those first couple weeks of
fantasy really matter, especially in Dynasty, with whether or not
you're gonna double down on the team. You have to
go make a run, right, So sorry say that about
Pooka because Cooper Cup is there, so why rushing back
if they get off to it. He's a big part
of the offense, So comep me wrong. And there's a
lot longer history of Sean McVay having multiple really really

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good fantasy wide receivers than just one guy. And I
don't think when Puka comes back it's just going to
be one guy anyways, provided Cooper Cup stays healthy through
all of that. So it is something to think about.
But Thomas, you have a one additional thought on that
before we move on.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Well, yeah, no, that makes sense what you're saying, Josh,
and also them adding them, adding Jordan Whittington and talking
him up, and we start a first preseason game and
how do they plan on using him? And Sean McVay
seems to love him, and Sean McVay when he loves somebody,
he really loves somebody, like he talked up Karen Williams.
Karen Williams play, he talked up Pooka. Hooka played and

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they were dominant. So I mean, I'm not saying Jordan
Winson will be dominant, but I'm saying now that they
have somebody that they actually trust or that they believe in,
they might actually let Hooker recover and it might take
a little bit longer as far as opposed to them
rushing him back before he's fully held.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
No, that's what I said, and we're going to move
on to the to the next you know, bit of
news in regards to injuries. But I just want to
knock on wood right now. Like it's been a week
one of preseason. We haven't had the devastating news like
so far on a scale of one to panic, like
ten being panic, I think we're not like a three
or four like we took some hits. We're very much

(10:51):
in it. I will take the week of injuries that
we've had.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
Knocked on tomorrow and tomorrow I might as.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Well rip off the band aid, right, I might as well.
I might as well be the one. Gosh, I don't
even want to. I'm gonna skip which player I talk
about the next. Okay, Marquise Hollywood Brown can't seem to
get out of his own waist. Very serious shoulder injury.
I don't know the return timeline. It's at least four
or five weeks from what I understand. Dylan, perhaps you

(11:19):
can educate us further since you've made you're by the
way now with the official medical.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Extion versus sack and his shoulder and I'm kidding there's
he did have a dislocated shoulder though. That's that's the
reports that you're seeing or I'm seeing on Twitter.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Here's why I care about it because Marquis, you know,
he was interesting as a flex in your DNAST team,
but I think we all kind of know he's a
d You know, he's better than MVS at this point
in career, but not much more than that. Is that
kind of how we all saw him going into this year.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
I see him as a better receiver than MBS. He
can run a full rout tree. I mean, he's been
the number one guy on the team. I would say
I would say I would say if I had to
put him as a low wing wide receiver to that's
what I would become the bawl Hollywood Brown.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
That's that's really hot going before this, No, no, for sure,
I still think, Man, that's yeah, I could, I could.
I could maybe see case for that. Dylan, you got
some thoughts.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, I don't know that I'm that high on him,
but I do think he's he's definitely a better option
than in NVS. I mean NBS. We see him dropping
balls already in Buffalo in the preseason, so he's definitely
an upgrade from that. But I mean, this is the
problem though, Like this has been Hollywood Brown's problem, whether
it's a foot injury, now it's the shoulder. It's just

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you just don't know if you can trust the guy.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
So I think going in his rookie season, he came
in injured what was it, I'm trying to remember.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
I think it was his foot, and then re injured
his foot.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And he's had this same injury before.
The timeline he came back was I believe it was
like four or five weeks, So they're saying is anywhere
from two to five weeks. And just for a reference point,
Tyreek Hill had this injury a couple of years ago
and he missed I think four games.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Okay, that's what were Well.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Thankfully it's in the pre so it may give him
some time if you are relying on him. Here's here's
actually why I want to bring it up, or at
least the fallout that I think could be positive. I've
already talked about how I'm rising on Xavier Worthy. I
think this is an awesome opportunity for Xavier Worthy if
you have him in Dynasty. I'm taking the risk, and
I'm starting in week one. I think even if he
only gets a couple of targets, it's the type of

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target that could be a thirteen point. You know, it's
a touchdown for fifty sixty yards, no problem. Xavier Worthy
gets a lot of buzz. And also, Rashi Rice has
been out of the news and we've heard nothing about
a suspension coming. So in Redraft, I'm all in on
Rashi Rice because he is massively discounted right now, and
if you can trade for Rashi Rice if someone's for
whatever reason still out on him. I think that with

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Hollywood out to start the year, you may get a
really good burn to put you in position early. You know,
be a three to one four in OH team for
your dynasty league puts you in a power position for
other trades. Dylan, you have some thoughts on Yeah, Rashi Rice.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
I think Rashi Rice is the biggest winner here. He
is already He's the one in that offense aside from
Travis Kelce that has the most rapport with Patrick mahomes.
So it's gonna take Xavier Worthy time. And I get it.
Sure he can run fast and Patrick mahonmes can throw far,
but when you're going against actual defenses that are probably
going to be trying to prevent that, it's gonna be
a little bit more difficult. And I think that's where

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Travis Kelce Rashi Rice like, I think those guys are
the ones that benefit from Hollywood being gone. I'd like
Exavier Worthy, I really do, but I just think it's
going to take time for him, and so for me,
until I hear something about Rashi Rice, I'm I'm I'm
riding the way. I don't think he faces faced his
punishment this year. I'm going and getting Rashi Rice, and
I feel comfortable taking him fifth, sixth round in a

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in a in a redraft league, I would take four
Michael Smith.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Sorry, Michael Smith and I are in a dynasty draft
right now.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
It's a sixteen team.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Super fow how many lies is Mike in at this point?

Speaker 4 (14:54):
Eleven?

Speaker 1 (14:55):
He texts. He texts me once every two weeks. He
and then you got you got space for another league.
I'm like, no, Mike, I don't. It was the same
answer I gave you two weeks ago when you asked
about the other one. Buddy, side note addict, what have
we done?

Speaker 4 (15:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (15:10):
I know right, we are addicted and it's taken up
all my life.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
But in the league today.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
So I totally agree with both, with both of you saying,
I would say, even if either by low arm Rahi
Rice or sell high on him because of the news
about Hollywood Brown, because someone just traded Rashi Rice during
the draft for twenty twenty five first, second, third, and for.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
That's it, that's the hall.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, that's a hall. I mean, even even if for
she Rice faces no punishment whatsoever and is the wide
receiver one in Kansas City. That's a that's a great
price for him, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
That's if the perception, Yeah, the perception is he's gonna
be that guy that dude, I mean, you.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Know, yeah, I said, and I said I would take
him in redrafts league because this year I'm comfortable for
she Rice. I still think is an Xavier Worthy is
a better wideriver thinner she Rice. It's just going to
take time to learn the Andy Reid offense and get
rapport with Patrick Mahones. But I like the Xaberworthy long term.
But for she Right, that's a that's a great return
for she Rice.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
No, that's fantastic. Got to mention it. Sad to mention it.
I've owned this player in Dynasty for many years and
I don't have any shares him anymore. It makes me
stab at Christian McCaffrey missing the rest of preseason. Every
single Fantasy football show and opinion has had thoughts on this.
We might as well add in our two cents. Here's

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my perspective. I'm not deeply concerned from a analytical perspective.
The logical side of my brain is like, this isn't
a problem, Like this is a guy that you say
for a change, there's you don't need Christian McCaffrey to
get any reps. So if he plays a full healthy season,
none of us are gonna even remember that he was
injured in the preseason. The superstitious Vibes's side of me

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because I had him for so many years, and and
I had him in those years in Carolina really was
three where he would just get injured and it would
be unrelated and he'd miss time, and he'd get injured
and it was unrelated and he'd missed time. This is
an under He's never had a calf injury to my knowledge,
of any serious type before. It's not like it's the
same reinjury of that old thing or whatever. But it's

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coming off the back of the season that he had.
It's easy to feel like, hey, we can't have this
good of a thing for too long. But at the
same time, does that present a by low window to
go chase the championship? Dylan, if you could afford him,
would you take the risk? Especially in our league of
record where you are I think I have you ranked
fourth in the power rankings. Yeah, yeah, could. If you

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could trade for McCaffrey right now, would you go do it?

Speaker 2 (17:37):
No? I wouldn't pay what it would what it would take. Unfortunately,
I just he's twenty eight. I believe it's the injury
the calf. I get it. It's just a calf. It's
not that big of a deal, quote unquote, but the
re injury for a calz is a very high like,
it's very likely, especially for a running back, someone who's

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planting and driving constantly. It scares me. It scares me
after after, it worries me a lot. I'm just saying
I won't pay that price. I'd rather just ride out with.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Your medical descriptions genuinely have been so good, tonight. I
tru right, I'm.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Basically I.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
Got a twitter PhD.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
You gotta think about it. He's going to be planting
and John like, that's exactly right, Dylan. You know these things.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
I gotta keep the people people on it. I just
impress the sack. I wouldn't I wouldn't pay for him.
So to answer your question, No, I wouldn't pay for
him in redraft. I have a question, Thomas, I'll pass
it to you. In redraft. Are you taking c mc
over let's say a Tyreek Hill, a Jamar Chase, or

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any of the other running backs that are up there
with him?

Speaker 4 (18:49):
No, I'm not so.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
You talked to you, you said, talked about the cav
You gotta trade lightly with this right now. He is
twenty eight years old, He's got a lot of wear
and tear, he has injury history. Like we love Christian McCaffrey,
we think that he's a one to one, right, but
he's missed several seasons because of injury, like almost full seasons.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
So I worry about that, and I also worry about what.
I don't mean to steal your thunder Dylan, but I'm
about to give you.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
A love doctor love. Calf's turn into Achilles. Calf injuries
turn into Achilles injuries. Kevin Durant. If you remember when
he was playing with Golden State, he had a bad
calf injury and it affected his achilles. And when you plant,
it could happen in the NFL too. It happens in
any sport. If you have a calf injury and it's

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not fully healed, that could end up being an Achilles
taper really, really easily if you.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Don't take care of it.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
And when the twenty eight year old running back who
has that kind of wear and tear on him, you
just have to trade lightly.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
And I would rather have somebody younger or somebody I know.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
That is fully healthy, that can get me to the
same amount of statistics or touchdowns or whatever that Christian
McCaffrey is putting up.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
That's but that's the problem right there, that last line.
There is no one in fantasy at all that you
can count on putting up the regular numbers that McCaffrey
does when he's healthy. And so for me, I'm taking
the risk like in redraft guarant like yeah, unequivocally, because
here's the thing, like one no risk at no biscuit.

(20:26):
Any of the players we just mentioned can also get
injured tomorrow. We don't know. I understand that it's on
the radar. Here's the good news that they're keeping them
out of the entire preseason, so the re like they're
taking care of it, and I don't think the Niners
will rush him back. The other thing about it is
it's such a good running game and running system. I
will go get Jordan Mason, who has looked great in
the preseason because I think he'll be the backup, and

(20:48):
I will handcuff my investment. If you are a McCaffrey
owner right now, please go get Jordan Mason. Overpay for
Jordan Mason, because you have a Ferrari and you can
get insurance to at least have I don't know, alexis
if the if the Ferrari goes in the shop, you
know what I mean. So I I think that, Yeah,
Like I'm cautious too. I'm nervous too, But I think

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it's an opportunity to cash in on the best fantasy
at Like he is the best fantasy player in fantasy.
He's the biggest difference maker any almost any league format
you play in if you're trying to win a championship
this season. And so I'm gonna take.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
That risk, and if I swing it, I disagree. I
had him in my on my team in a redraft
league that we're in together Josh last year, and I lost.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Talk about can we talk about this? Man fumbled My
man fumbled the bag harder than I've ever seen. It's
it's a two keeper league. No, no, dude. This was
Dylan's team in the championship. He had his wide receivers.
He's had Justin Jefferson. By the way I came, I
founded this league and came back to it over a
couple years because I moved away from San Diego. Dylan

(21:53):
had Justin Jefferson as a keeper. Uh, I forget who else.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
I traded for A J. Brown. I had Josh Allen,
I had Mark Andrews, I had Christian McCaffrey.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Like twelve team league, it was the most.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
Were you playing Amari Cooper? Bro he.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Cooper? He played like he played Joe Flacco. Amari Cooper
like he played.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
It was.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
It was like his team wet the bed like I've
never It was probably the best redraft team I've ever
seen lose lose a championship.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
It was.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
It was.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
It was unow.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
Yeah, that's why you can't trust Christian McCaffrey, guys, because.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Dylan lost with him in championship. Anyway, I think I
do want to mention before we move on. Well, actually
there's two This just happened today. Jamiir Gibbs hamstring level
of worry, guys, with this one scale of one to ten,
Dylan medical expert all pass to you.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
So with him planting and driving, I wasn't dissing.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
I wasn't just feel very informed.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Honestly. One, I'm probably like a six. I'm a little
I'm a little worried because of hamstrings and not to
be the medical guy again, But when you're a sprinter
and you run as fast as Junior Gibs do, is
you need the hamstring. And so he cuts, he burns,
and that's not good. It's not good.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
That's he is a burner and that is his game,
is the top end speed. And so if that is
even at ninety five percent on the season, that you know,
it's just not like he's useless.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
But yeah, and sprinters, I mean I sprinted in high school.
This was back in the day. But like it's just
hamstring tweaks are so likely when you're a sprinter, and
it's just I don't I don't know. I just don't.
I don't have and they linger. That's the thing. And
like this close to this season, I don't even know
if he'll be at one hundred. We don't know a
lot about it yet, but I don't know if he'll
be one hundred percent by week one for sure.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, And that's the thing with preseason news we have
to keep in mind too. We don't know if it's like,
hey man, I think I took my hamstring a little bit.
Hey bro, why don't you take off the rest of practice? Okay, great,
you know, or it's Oh my god, dude, my hamstring
just came off the bone. Okay, crap, keep this quietly.
All we get is the sleeper hamstr injury. Gibbs is
no longer practicing, Is he dead?

Speaker 4 (24:02):
Is he? Is he? Like?

Speaker 1 (24:03):
We just don't know. Thomas scale of one to ten.
How are you feeling about it?

Speaker 4 (24:08):
About a five five?

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Because because they do linger, they do linger, and they
can affect you all season. And when you have somebody
who runs with speed and not power, you are you're threatened.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
You're threatening that to happen over and over and over again.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Look at Christian Watson, look at Will Fuller, look at
a bunch of different speech than people who are just
super fast wh've had lingering hamstring issues.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
That's the word to meet.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
That's the worst thing of any injury that I wanted
that I hear in pre season because then I like,
usually there's a timeline, but with hamstrings, it heals when
it heals. There is no timeline for a hamstring. Severe
hamstring injuries could take eight to ten weeks. Who knows, uh,
sometimes it takes one of two weeks. I've had enough

(24:57):
hamstring injuries to know that you just have to sit
and wait and the hamstring will tell you when it's
ready for you to get back on it. So to me,
that worries me a lot. With Jamir Gibbs, he is
so talented, he's on a great offense. I think he's
gonna put up like McCaffrey light numbers this year. So
I would love to have him on my team. But

(25:19):
that's gonna give me a little bit of a you
know pause when he's when I'm on the clock and
I have to draft him, and I'm sorry when I
have to draft and he's looking me in the face,
and I don't know what I would do.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
I think this is this is coming, you know, playing
multiple leagues. One of my main dynasty legues really have
two main dinosaurics Cartel. We've talked about it. He's my
RB one and I think this is just the ah,
he'll be fine vibe. But I'm at like a three
or four until I get more evidence. Like I said,
it really could just be yah. He tweetd it he's

(25:53):
gonna rest him. The other thing I like is that
mcdc in terms of coach speak, he's pretty actually honest
and straightforward. If there's a problem and they need to
start David Montgomery. They're gonna do that, just hold him
out for a couple of games, and in Dynasty, I
don't think massively affects his value. But yeah, we're getting
into that redraft season where those first two to three
weeks are just around the corner, and so getting you know,

(26:14):
a good start out the gates is big. Lastly, before
we move on, I do want to mention Elik Neighbors
tweaked his ankle at practice he's been having. He's probably
one of the biggest storylines of the preseason. And from
what I understand, Dylan, I'll go to you, doesn't seem
it doesn't seem like the injury is all that significant.
Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (26:30):
No, it doesn't. Honestly, I think it's like, yeah, it
just it looks like it seems like he just rolled
his ankle, and so they're probably it's one of those
like you mentioned earlier, it's probably one of those just like, oh,
he rolled his ankle. He's the only receiving option we have.
Let's just yeah, let's shut him down.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah No, I mean, if he can throw punches and
smack helmets around and be fine ready to go for
the next day, I'm pretty sure this ankle is not
gonna keep them out of any time. Well, we are
going to take a break so that we don't overwork.
Uh well, I was gonna make some joke about hamsterings
there we're talking versus. Yeah, we definitely want to overwork
our ursus sacks. So give us a break, enjoy these messages,

(27:06):
and we'll be right back after this. Moving away from
the doom and gloom of some of the injuries we
chatted about. The preseason did take place, and we're here
to overreact to it. We're here to read into it
more than anything mentioned it at the top of the show.
You know, it can deceive you. You know, last year
I genuinely thought, oh man, the Steelers offense is going

(27:27):
to be a little bit high flying. Turned out be like,
if not the worst, the second worst in all of football,
so specifically the passing game. It's like we said, grain assault.
All that's there, grain assault. On top of that, grain assault.
It is good to look for physical attributes, players that
you've never seen play in the NFL, how they stack

(27:47):
up athletically. I remember one of the biggest preseason takeaways
that ever had was Zeke his rookie year. I was like, wow,
the Cowboys took him so early. How did he look?
And he had that first play where he trucked Cam
Chancellor and it gave me the confidence to take him
in a fantasy league that season. It was like the
first Cowboys preseason game, I think, I don't know if
it was the same game that Tony Romo got injured

(28:08):
and then the whole Dak Prescott's situation started. But there
are certain things you can look for, and for me,
it's specifically, Okay, do they look fast against competition? Yeah,
I mean the offense that you know, usage all, that's
going to be vanilla. You can't really read it too
much into it. But physically how do they stack up?
And there were definitely some takeaways that I had that
I was excited about. And I want to start out

(28:28):
with JJ McCarthy. Dylan, you are a hater, You've been
a hater. But I want to tell you this, it's
really awkward for you to hate Will Levis on the
Vikings because I believe that JJ McCarthy is basically I mean, dude,
First of all, if you put Will Levis on the Vikings,
I would feel the same I'd feel the same way.
I think JJ McCarthy he almost lost preseason, but I

(28:50):
think he wanted. I think it's proof Kevin O'Connell can
work with anyone. I think JJ McCarthy is going to
be just fine for a dynasty QB, probably a high
end dynasty QB too, if not a CUE, you know,
a mid level QB one for years to come. With
Kevin O'Connell, I love what I saw. He's got plenty
of tools. He's physical, he's mobile. He didn't look like
a complete baked potato. And that's the only thing that
could have told me. I think Kevin O'Connell can work

(29:12):
with anyone. So you know, there were some tools I
saw from JJ McCarthy. He can certainly sling the ball,
he can certainly plenty mobile. I'm in I think you
have to be the same.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Are you done? Are you off of JJ's versus sack
or can I go?

Speaker 1 (29:28):
First of all, that could be a made up term. Iah.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
You taught me that.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
I don't even know what that is.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
That was rude.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
I mean, come on, what are we talking about here?
JJ McCarthy looked good against the third string defense.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
Do we not?

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Are we just going to blow past what he did
against the second string defense early on the game, where
he went one for three through an interception. Like, I'm
not saying that he won't have potential right now. I
just don't see it like he's you see all over
Twitter he's throwing fifty touchdowns and one interception at practice.
And when I look at those those clips, it's all

(30:03):
backup wide receivers in the game. So what does that mean.
It's the backup, backups defense. So it's like, I don't
understand why we're blowing this out of proportion. People are
going to be highly disappointed if they're even expecting to
see JJ McCarthy this year. I do not think he
steps on the field this year. I think it's a
Sam Donald show. I think they have a playoffs.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
That's okay, that's come out in super Flex. You're saying
Sam Donald starts the whole year. That's a prediction you're making, And.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
I'm talking about in the NFL. Sam Donald's going to
be the start.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yes, yes, in context of us being a super Flex show,
Oh yeah, you should go by Sam Donald. Yes, you
should should.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Be getting Sam Donald. You should be getting Jacoby Brissett.
For cheap while you can like these guys are probably
going to play. Brissett will probably only played part of
the season. But I don't think JJ McCarthy plays this year,
and I think it's best. I think Kevin O'Connell's smart
enough not to play him and know that what he
saw in the first half of that game is what
you're gonna get if you put JJ McCarthy out there
too early. And Sam Donald was fine, he looked fine.

(30:58):
Everything I've seen in practice, he's looked fine. I'm not
like they're going to be starting after by and they
were starting, you know when their bias week six. That's
way too early. You think they're not going to give
up on Sam Donald bet early? I mean, Thomas, what
do you think? I just I don't think JJ McCarthy
even starts or plays this year at all. I shouldn't
say play starts this year at all.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
I would say that depends on where the Vikings are
in playoff contention toward the end of the season.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
I think it's the same.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
I think if we get to a point where the
Vikings are out of playoff contention around reach fourteen fifteen.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
You will see JJ McCarty they will start the transition
earlier then next year.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
But I do see Sam Donald playing the majority of
the season because I do see the Vikings being able
to compete for the majority of the season. I do
think I think Jacoby Brissett will probably play the first
twelve thirteen games of the season and then you'll see
another late season transition to Drake May because I think

(32:00):
both of those quarterbacks have one thing in common, and
that's the fact that they are still they need seasoning.
They both need season and they're not ready to go
in there right now. If you threw them in the
in the mix, they wouldn't they wouldn't swim, they would sink.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
So think, sorry, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
I think they're going to be I think both coaches
are going to be very cautious with those two quarterbacks
and not putting them in harm's way where they can
lose confidence at the beginning of the season.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
The middle of the season, I think it's going to be.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
I think I think Jacoby Brissett will play until like
week twelve thirteen, and then there'll be a move to
Drake May. And I think if the Vikings are out
of playoff contention for the end of the season. JJ
McCarthy will play. If they are in playoff contention, you
will not see J McCarthy the entire season.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Here's what's hard for me. JJ McCarthy clearly has an
advantage over Sam Donald in terms of the mobility. We
all agree on that, sure. I mean, I think this
is a big I think that was a big part
of why the pastronaut hype happened last year is that
O'Connell was able to utilize a mobile QB for the
first time in his office because Kirk is certainly not mobile.

(33:12):
At what point if you're if you're halfway through the
season or even I believe, because the start of their
schedule is pretty rough if I remember correctly, and so
I think Sam Donald is there to absorb those body
blows and then it'll be like, okay, we're two and four,
Let's see what McCarthy can do and see if he
gives our offense the next you know, a little bit
of jump. I think that that mobility is going to

(33:34):
give the Vikings the best chance to win in a
division where they're the underdogs because you've got the Lions there.
The Packers are certainly no joke and now the Bears.
The Bears were a good team going into last year,
regardless of who's going to play QB. And before we
move on to Caleb Williams, who I think we should
talk about next. But Thomas, you have a counterpart. I'm
simply saying it's a tough division. They're gonna have to

(33:54):
punch up, and I think mobility helps you do that.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
No, no, no, and I and listen, I do think
Jim McCarthy is the better quarterback. I will say this
as a caveat to what I just said. If Sam
Donald does not win ball games and we get to
Week six and the Vikings are one and four or
something like that, jaj McCarthy's playing. So it depends on

(34:18):
it all depends, I think, on if the Vikings are
able to stay afloat. I think that Kevin O'Connell would
rather take JJ McCarthy through a season for the at
least the majority of the season and let him learn
on the sidelines, because I think that's why you get
Sam Donald. He played for Kyle Shanahan last year. That's
not a coincidence that Kevin O'Connell got him. So I

(34:39):
think he's committed to Sam Donald. As long as Sam
Donald's winning, I.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Think that's that's most any QB. But I get what
you're saying in specifically in regards to the Vikings, because
they're in that They're in that weird they're much like
a dynasty team that is that productive struggle model. Like
the future is kind of bright, Like they've got some
stars that you know, if these draft picks work out,
they're gonna be really they're gonna be good in the future.
But they're pluck enough right now to go go make
a playoff push. So why not put a little bit

(35:04):
of your of your capital and trying to make it happen?
The oning final thoughts to McCarthy before we move on,
because there are plenty players I want to talk about
in the preseason, not just the guy you hate unfairly.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
No, I mean, you guys covered pretty much everything. I
just I still stand pat that I think Sam Donald
is the start of the whole season because I think
Kevin o'conn is a good coach, and I think the
Vikings are gonna be better than we think they're gonna be.
They have a healthy Jefferson, They've got Aaron Jones now
who can actually move the ball with them. They got
Addison Hawkinson will be back at some point, like, and

(35:34):
their defense is good. So I just think we're they're
gonna be better than we think they are. And I
think that Sam Donald's gonna get the he's gonna do.
He's gonna do well enough two feet like for them
to not have a justified reason to throw JJ McCarthy
out there.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
I want to make one last point, Dylan.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
I just want to piggyback what you just said and say, Josh,
the other thing to remember is he played with Nick
Mullins and Josh Dobbs last year and they will win
in games and what end playoff contention all the way
up until the end of the season. Sam Darnold is
an upgrade. So I think Kevin O'Connell can work with pretty.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
Much anybody at this point. I think we can agree
to that.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah, well and listen, I'm not it doesn't hurt JAJ
McCarthy's nasty value if he sits out the whole year.
I mean, I am a fan of resting quarterback like
letting quarterbacks being understudy for a year. I think it's
it's got a better track record than just throwing them
in there say go win. Here's a bunch of expectations
in you know week one, the quarterback who is dealing
with that that I did have the chance to actually
watch them film live of Caleb Williams. I gotta say,

(36:33):
the guy throws the ball well, but that was never
a question all over Twitter every Bears fan and and
I'm watching the Bear right now for the first time
with the wife the show Chicago or just I get you.
Guys are sad people, man. I had no idea. I
had no idea. Everyone was Italian and had really sad live.
I feel for y'all. I'm emotionally connected. I will support
your restaurants, no question. I will cousin Oh good, I

(37:00):
love cooking, I love time. If it was great, but
you know it's not great. The expectations Bears f have
with Caleb Williams. This guy has to be really good
right away. And I think that, you know, it's funny
the highlight reel play where he rolled out and then
you know, threw the ball to Cole Comet. That wasn't
a good I know it's preseason. Objectively speaking, I'm like,

(37:22):
that's not a good decision to make, Like we all
mad at Justin Fields for holding the ball too long.
He's the best scrambler, arguably the one of the one
of the best NFL has ever seen in history. Gala Williams,
I get it. He's mobile. He's mobile in the preseason
with a real pass rush going against him.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
I'm not saying it was a bad preseason out outing.
It certainly was not that. But I'm I'm not convinced,
and I just think the entire message for every owner
right now is to temper expectations are so high. He's
QB nine in keep trade cut. There's if I can
get Trevor Lawrence in a first or Dak Prescott Kyler,

(38:00):
any of those guys. Man, I'm doing it. I'm moving
off of Caleb still. That's just how I feel, Dylan,
your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
One hundred percent. I mean, so watching Caleb Williams to
me what it looked like. And I watched the game
live as well. I specifically wanted to see how he
did and it just reminded me. He I think that
when it comes to actual game time in the NFL,
he's playing a real NFL defense. Caleb's going to learn very,
very quickly. He's not going against Pac ten defenses anymore,

(38:29):
Like he's not like you can't do the rollout. I
thought they were the PAC ten last year. I think
they'd lost Pack twelve, whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
I didn't know if you knew something.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
I think it's Pack twelve. It's a PAC twelve.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
That's what you meant, right because I called out with
them getting dissolved or.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
I don't think they're a thing anymore. I don't think
they're thinking anymore the Pack, the old Pack, their defenses
were atrocious, right, Like it's just not the same defenses.
And so this whole scrambling around, rolling around three across
your body. It looks cool in the preseason. He'll get
away with it. When it comes game time and he's

(39:05):
playing actual NFL defenses, he's gonna get smacked around and
defenses are not going to let him get out of
the pocket. So what does he do then? And I
think that's when we'll see who Caleb Williams actually is.
I don't think he's going to be bad. He had
a great showing, but he's not going to be I
think the expectations is what's going to crush Kleb Williams
is his value.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
I think that's where we're at, right. It's not we're
not anti Caleb Williams. We're anti Caleb Williams hype because
you know what, if he's gonna need it, if he's
gonna have a chance at all. It's Nick Saban on
Hard Knocks. You need to let the guy develop. Peyton
Manning led the league in interceptions his his rookie season,
and it wasn't a problem. If Kayleb Williams does that,
Chicago's gonna burn down. It's gonna be terrible. Thomas.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
I also just don't think real quick. I also just
don't think that Caleb Williams is a winner. So that's
that's a huge problem.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
That is not That is not my take at all.
I was saying like, hey, we're we're you know, we're
just capable.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
I was adding to yours that you're not adding to it.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
You're basical saying Caleb Williams sucks. That's what.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
That's what. That is the opposite if you got a winner.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
I was qualifying, teetering the fence. I don't believe in
Gil Williams because I don't think he's a winner. I
think he can have good, nice throws, and I just
don't think he's a winner, and so I don't think
that he's going to be good. Why you've known this, Josh.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
What just happened? I was like, all right, I'm running
for president, you're my VP. I'm like our foreign policy
and I give this great answer on how we're like,
we're going to be firm, but we're going to be
open to trade, and Dylan said, yeah, we're open to trade,
and if you don't, we will nw Q. That is
exactly our position. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
But he's just not a winner, and he's he's not
a winner.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
What to Caleb Williams winning college.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Dude, when I get it, but that's a bust what
you're saying.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
You're saying he's a bust.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Right, Oh, yes, I've been on the Absolutely, he's just
a good.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
I am more on your side, Dylan. Then I'm completely
off of it. But I am open to the eye test.
And the guy can sling the football and he's got
great weapons around him. The situation is pretty positive. Eberflus. Admittedly,
I'm out on him as a head coach because of
what he did fields. I would actually from a revenge story.
I would love nothing more than to see Caleb Williams

(41:22):
not succeed. I'm sorry, Bears fans, but also the great
news silver lining to that take. If you are still
sad and depressed and the Bears still suck the show,
the Bear will still be unbelievable and gripping and emotional,
and you'll have plenty of source material for multiple seasons.
Because I'm in season two right now, and I am moved.
I am moved by the grief that all of you
share from your football team being bad year after year. Anyway,

(41:44):
I digress, Thomas taken over your thoughts on Kaleb Williams
the football player.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
I don't know where we are right now, but let
me just say this. Let me say this.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
You're both absolutely wrong, as wrong as wrong could be.
And Dilly, you should better because you're a doctor, you
should have better sense. Okay, uh, Caleb Williams is going
to be a great quarterback. Write this down time, stamp it,
whatever you want to do. He's gonna be a great quarterback.
He's gonna have the first season he is going to have.

(42:17):
Like you said, Josh, I was thinking about this, he's
gonna have a paid man in like stat line, He's
gonna have a Brett fav like first Green Bay Packer
season stat line.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
That's who he is. He's a gun slinger.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
He is one of those people who thinks he can
make every single throw, can do everything in the pocket.
Outside of the pocket, he might even get sacked a
whole lot of times. But haven't said that. He is
exudes confidence like no other like he is.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
No I'm talking about on the field.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
On the field, he is exuding hard knocks too good answer.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
Yeah, watch yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
And he and he's a and it I mean the
Chicago Bears thinking he's a leader. The locker room thinks
he's a leader. So my point is what I saw
only intensified my love for Caleb Williams.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
I am not moving off him as quarterback nine.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
I would not treat him for Trevor Lawrence in the
first I'm holding on to him. He has done nothing
to make me think that he's not going to be that.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
Now.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
If you have a problem with him at USC or
the profile or something like that, then you probably shouldn't
have drafted him anyway. But if you have him and
you drafted him and week one is any indication of
what you're going to see in the future.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
Why aren't you holding that?

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yeah, I mean, I'm glad you provided.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
I mean, I know marijuana is legal in LA. But
how much are you smoking? How much?

Speaker 1 (43:42):
What are the French? Are the fringe?

Speaker 4 (43:45):
We are?

Speaker 1 (43:46):
You got? Most people believe in Caleb Williams. You know
he's he's certainly a polarizing player, and I think he's
going to continue to be on this show. Here's the truth.
Preseason Week one didn't give us any real answers. We
don't know for certain at all. It's it's just to
wait and see, and I'm excited to see. I do
want to pivot now to a player we have talked
not at all about in the preseason, and it really

(44:08):
post draft we talked a little bit abound the Rookie Show.
I was very impressed with the with the limited play
I saw from Brian Thomas junior on the Jaguars already
mentioned Trevor Lawrence. Jacksonville definitely crowded in the pass catching
room with Evan Ingram Christian kirk Att wide receiver. Obviously,
they signed Gabe Davis, but Brian Thomas had an unbelievable

(44:30):
deep ball catch kind of caught it one handed. It
was a bit of a circus catch. I don't think
it'll be really good in year one. But if you
spent an early to probably a mid to late first
on him in this year's draft, he is a solid
hold for me. I want to see a rookie flash.
I want to see a rookie look like a superior
athlete compared to other NFL players at some point during

(44:52):
the season. Because wide receivers tend historically tend to break
out in about year three, we've just gotten used to
having at, you know, year one. I don't think it's
a year one thing for Brian Thomas Jr. But I
saw enough, like, Okay, this guy's it wasn't Quentin Johnson.
I think is really the point here, there's no concern
I'm buying Brian Thomas everywhere I can, just based on
the limited work I saw. Thomas. I'll go to you
with that one because you you're probably gonna agree with

(45:14):
me the most on this.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
Well, yeah, you know, that's my Tiger. That's my Tiger family.
Don't laugh, don't laugh. We stick together. Look, I really
think that Brian Thomas Junior is a prospect that I
have a lot of faith, then uh, he's yeah, he yeah,
he's wrong. It's gonna take time.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Like Ken, you exhibit patience with him, you're gonna see
a lot of flashes. You're gonnaee a lot of great
players from him, a lot of deep passes. He's got
that deep he's got. Look, he's gonna be able to
just physically impose his will on defenses. I'll run people
down the sideline, bully people for you know, some deep
passes here and there or whatever. But he still needs

(45:55):
has a lot of work that needs to be done.
I don't think and I think Trevor Lawrence. Lawrence has
too many established veteran receivers around him to use him
on a consistent basis. But if you're willing to hold
him and just like just wait, I think he could
turn into a very very very valuable deep threat that

(46:16):
could be like a you know, I think his ceiling
could be like a wide receiver two in the league,
maybe like mid to low win wide receiver two, which
isn't bad.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Just as a reminder, guys, Marvin Jones and you're like
five of his NFL on his second team as a
deep threat, finished as a wide receiver nine for Matthew Stafford.
Rian Thomas Junior, to me is one of those guys
that you get him with the right QB in the
right season. If you can out muscle guys in a
fifty to fifty ball, that's something I look for. So
the reason I really bring him up to is because
he feels like a byload still because for whatever reason,

(46:48):
it's just been so quiet out of camp, there's just
been no news. I was watching it. I was just
truly impressed with the catch I saw. I say, Okay,
this guy's got something. I think most of us are
going to agree. It's a longer play, but you know,
anytime you can buy when the hype train's not there,
it's it's gonna provide value for you later. Dylan, your
thoughts on the Jack's wide receiver if you have any
before we move on.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Yeah, I mean I'm still not in. I'm not bought
into the one trick pony until I see him develop
as a wide receiver and like actually run routes. I mean,
he's If I'm not in on George Pickens, why would
I be in on Brian Thomas.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
You you brought it up.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
I know, I know, I just I didn't know where
you guys stood with him and I and then you
guys obviously are different from me because you guys would
be buying him right now because he's a value. But
I mean, he just he just he can't he can't separate,
he can't run routes. He can do contested catches and
run very fast, and that's pretty.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Much you know doing You're right. No NFL wide receiver
who has come in to the league as a raw
prospect has ever developed or learned new feelings.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
I just said. I just said that. I said, until
I see him develop and be able to run routes,
I'm I don't really.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
When he's really good for fantasy, I will then admit
he's really good for fans.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
That's not correlate. Jerry Judy is a great route runner
and he was drafted very highly. Are you going and
buying Jerry Judy?

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Jerry ju is a great round runner. On air with Pads,
I'm talking Bryan Thomas actually made against players today.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
And I'm talking about someone that was way more productive
than him in college.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
I'm not talking about I'm talking about specifically talking about
Brian Thomas because I saw him make a great catch
in the preseason.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Said, Hey, anyways, we're gonna get off to Brian Thomas Junior.
We got to talk about Jayden and Daniels. I can't
believe we didn't even talk about Jaden and Daniels at all.
His name has not even come up at all.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Well, let's let's go there talking about.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
I'm going to Jade Daniels. So Jade Daniels first drive, methodical,
You want to talk about Caleb Williams. Throw that out
the window. Look at what Jayden Daniels did through the air.
He audibled to play on his own to be able
to throw that ball up to Diamie Diami Brown, Diami. Sorry,
I'm I'm just destroying your name Brown, Dimmy Diami. There

(48:56):
we go, Diommy Brown. He literally audibled into that play
Chunk's a nice forty beautiful forty yard pass, and then
caps it off by saying, hey, I can't just I
don't really just throw the ball. Let me just pull
this zone read and run the ball. Jaden Reid is
going he is. I've said this time and time again
on the air, Off the air, He's going to be
Lamar Jackson two point zero, but is a better passer.

(49:19):
So I'm all in. That is my QB one of
this class. I am all in on Jayden Daniels two things.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
I see what you're doing. You're trying to woo Thomas
to your side of the argument because we're getting in
a TIF there, We're getting in an argument, and then
you're like, let me just sneak in some LSU love
so Thomas will vote for me on the tie breaker.
Number two. I just want to point out I didn't
know the term for it, but I think I know
what hurt all of our expects. Why Jaden Daniels wasn't
hype going into this season. It was his Bosa sack,

(49:51):
his Versa sack. That picture, I'm all right, this is
a real take. That picture of his elbow. You guys
know what I'm talking about on Twitter made me go,
this guy's skinning like he's gonna die.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
In the NFL.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
I'm still worried.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
It does not look good.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
I'm genuinely serious. His burst of sack may have may
have genuinely genuine.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
When you talk about you talk about Brian Thomas Junior BTJ,
who's the reason why Briyance, Brian Thomas Junior even got
drafted in the first round.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
By the way, I disagree with none of what you
brought up about Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Daniels is static.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
I'm a static about what he can do.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Are you still taking because right now KTC, Actually sorry,
not you, Josh, this one for Thomas. Are you taking
Jayden Daniels over Caleb Williams.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Oh yeah, I've been well, I've been Jayden Daniels truth.
So he's not just a l s U not just
because he's an l s U guy, but I've been
like I think that the and I think we talked
about this maybe last week or the week before, it
is the I the eye test of his physical prowess.
Like you look at him and you see the skinny,

(50:55):
scrawny guy, lanky guy on a field with grown men
that are twice his size, and you just say that
that dude's not gonna last. That is your first instinct
when you look at him. But like when I watch
all of the LSU games, like I just I saw
somebody that is just so good that I think he
can transcend, just like maybe at Tank Dell did with

(51:17):
like the smaller receiven movement or whatever.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
He can be one of those guys that's just an.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Anomaly, you know what I mean. So I would take him.
I definitely would take him over kileab Willims. Even though
I think Tim Killi Williams is going to be a
great quarterback, he does not have d rushing upside of
a Jayden Daniels.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
And I think Jayden Daniels will just get better and
better and starting from this year, will be one of
the top.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Dynasty and fantasy quarterbacks you'll find, like if you draft
him for if you're drafting a redraft and you want
to value quarterback.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
I think they said he's going in the tenth round.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Yes, it's insane.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
It's insane.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Even in best ball. I play a ton of basketball.
You would think that a quarterback that represents his rushing
upside would be one the higher draft of qbs. And
he's going behind Dak, Joe Burrow, Jordan Love. I think
he's QB twelve, like Anthony Richardson is QB six, and
we've arguably seen about the same level of NFL. Like

(52:13):
you know, Jayden Daniels. If you're in on Anthony Richardson,
you you should be in on Jayden Daniels too, Dylan,
You're in on both either way, so you're you're covered there.
Moving on really quickly. Bonnicks, he is probably the sneakiest
QB for fantasy, for specifically for Dynasty. I don't think

(52:35):
he's I'm not taking him in redraft in any format.
You know, there's just no reason too. You don't need to.
It was good what we saw, but my perspective is
simply that's what he's supposed to do. It's a notch
in his favor, but you shouldn't get too excited quite yet.
Sean Payton's a good coach, and I believe him. I
think Bonix is gonna work out for fantasy goodness. I
don't know if he ever will, because I think Sean

(52:56):
Payton likes to win by running the ball and ball control.
I think Bonnick's gonna be a fine NFL QB with
Sean Payton. I don't know if he's ever gonna be
a fancy QB that I want to draft, So I
just I temper my expectations, even though it was a
very good showing.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
I like Bonicks a lot I do. I like Boenix
a lot. I think you talk about the throw that
Cale had made throwing across his body, right, Bonis did
the exact same throw, rolling out to his left and
threw a dart to Courtland Sutton. And the guy is talented,
and I think he's just overlooked in a class that
is so top heavy with I mean, we saw how

(53:30):
many quarterbacks went off, right. We haven't talked about Michael
Pennix Junior, But that's another guy. Like there's so many
talented quarterbacks and he was the last one taken up
that bunch. And I just to me, I think that
bo Nicks can have I kind of see his trajectory
being a little bit like Philip Rivers. Now I know
that kind that's kind of a high praise because Philip

(53:50):
Rivers has some fantasy gold years, But I do think
that he can be that sustainable, high volume passer with
Sean Payton's development, and they're gonna build that offense up right,
like it's not going to stay the same as it
is today. So to me, I see bo Knicks as
his ceiling could be like a Philip Rivers type, and
he's more mobile than Philip Rivers was.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
But just in that Denk and dunk passing, you know,
like Drew Brees. Obviously, with Sean Payton, it was always
the quick passing, it was the you know, a ton
of screens. Heck, it's why we have the Alvin Kamara
of today. I could see Bo Knicks being always really
high in attempts as well, Thomas your thoughts bout Knicks,
but also I objective opinion. I've kind of been a

(54:29):
Marvin Mims, not a closet fan, but I've been a
big Marvin Mims guy going into year two. Should I
be excited? I mean, he scored a touchdown in preseason.
I means he's going to be a superstar, right.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
To unleash Marvin Molas please please Sean Payton, Yes, unleas
mart Like, how much.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
Do we need to see?

Speaker 3 (54:45):
And I don't know what is going on behind the
scenes that Marvin is like maybe not a good blocker,
or he's just not doing the things that Sean Payton wants.
But man, I just hope that they finally figure out
just how to let him play seventy percent of the
snaps and if he does, he could be a fantasy
super So he could be a gold.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
Mine in the fantasy I love in the fantasy world.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
But as far as both Knicks goes, I think I
think I'm on closer to the Dylan side than I
think the consensus.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
I think people are so low on both Knicks.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
And I scratched my head to wonder why when I
know that at Oregon he threw a lot of short passes,
but that's what they called. He wasn't just dumping down
like Derek Carr was last year. Every time that he
dropped back to throw like those were play calls. And
his arm strength is it's not Caleb Williams, and that's okay.

(55:43):
He still has a good arm that I think he
has a lot of zip on the ball. And I
think that the problem is the situation he's with Denver
right now. Sean Payton is a great coach. We know
he's a great offensive mind, but they don't have a
lot of players around him. And then like you talk
about Marvin Mims, are they gonna let Marvin Mims play?

(56:03):
Are we gonna see Tim Patrick and Cortland Sutton? Now
that could that'll make Bo Nicks seem like he's not
a good a great quarterback or a good quarterback. When
I think it's just gonna take a little more time.
They're gonna get more pieces around him, like Dylan said,
and he's gonna just grow with that team, and he
could be Yeah, he can be Philip Rivers.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
I'm gonna one hundred percent agree with that. He could
be somebody just like Philip ro This.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Just in bo Nicks to have twelve children by the
end of his NFL. We are gonna take a really
quick break. We got more preseason reactions right after this.
Welcome back in listen. This is a three man show,
and there are very few shows or professional settings that
do the three man situation better. We're probably could teach

(56:51):
a I mean, are we steph you know, Durant and
Lebron at the Olympics. I don't know if we're there yet,
but we're clearly on track to be that. And I
bring up trios because one of the most interesting trios
this year for Fantasy is Stefon Diggs, Tank Dell, and
Nico Collins. Right, I think they should hire us as

(57:12):
consultants to teach them how to share the volume so
that they all stay happy. Because one of the preseason
quote unquote takeaways, and it wasn't just that Tank Dell
is clearly healthy and all the way back. That's that's
the takeaway that should matter for fantasy. But Stefon Diggs
already viral on the sideline, animated like talking like he
could have been saying, Hey man, you're the best QB ever.

(57:32):
I'm so happy to be here. How does it matter
what he was actually saying. All I heard when I
saw it was I'm unhappy. You need to give me
the ball every play. It's like it was just talk.
It just seemed toxic. It seemed toxic to me. Thomas
make can you make heads or tails? Specifically? You traded
for Steffon Diggs right in League of Record in the
Dynasty exchange. You believe he'll be productive this year. How

(57:55):
scary is it for you to see that dynamic? Or
are we reading into it too much?

Speaker 4 (58:00):
Bringing into it too much? Man? I honestly, I to me,
it looked like they were having a conversation.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
And if you and to know Stefan Diggs is to
love Stefan Diggs, and Stefan Diggs talks just like that.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
That is who he is. You could watch a lot
of interviews, but he has passion and it comes across
the wrong way a lot.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
But like if you're just looking at that video, I
saw a veteran talking to a young quarterback, and you
could look it could be toxic.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
It could be, it could not. But I saw a veteran, in.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
My eyes, talking to a young quarterback trying to explain
in his particular way something that was going on on
the field.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
I don't really buy into that that's a problem.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
I think that the narrative proceeding that conversation is always
going to follow Stefan Diggs.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
So anytime he's passionate about something, he's gonna be toxic.
So I am I worried about it? I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
I'm not worried about it yet. I need to see
him actually, like in an argument with CJ. Stroud or
somebody else for me to think that there is something
to be worried about in the Houston, Texas locker.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Diought.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
I mean, he's one hundred percent correct. I'm not worried
about that. If I had to guess the pecking order
in Houston, I would say Diggs Dell Collins. I think
Diggs is going to be the guy that sees the
most targets. He's the most experienced wide receiver there. He's
still one of the best route runners in the league.
He's still Stefan Diggs. Like nothing changed other than I mean,
even listen to what Buffalo is saying. Buffalo was ready

(59:37):
for him to leave. Josh Allen was ready for him
to leave. Everyone was ready for him to leave. It
was just a bad situation. And so I get it.
Whether for better for Wars, whether that's diggs fault or not,
I don't know, but you can tell that they were
ready for him to go. And so just how things
ended there just it made Stefan Diggs still had a
wide receiver ten season last year, all things considered. So
it was still a good year, right, He just didn't

(59:58):
pop wm we wanted him to. So he's still a
good wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
It was an unbelievable first eight weeks, and that's my
concern is that you had eight weeks of falloff, and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
So you look at it, look at the offense. It
was it was the whole situation. It was the whole situation.
I mean, you see Ken.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Dor take down. Ignore these guys by take down.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
I'm not saying del is gonna just suffer because Diggs
has a good season.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Stefawn Diggs is on a podcast with Antonio Brown. By
the end of the year, mark.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
Control it is Joe Brady. Joe Brady came in and
changed that offense.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
And if you look at Josh Allen stats, he went
from throwing the ball maybe thirty forty times a game
to like they were the.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Game against Dallas, I think he threw sixteen times or something.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Like that that he didn't need to because James Cook
decided to turn into prime Barry Sanders.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
So thank you play calling. Yeah, but that's play calling
that did that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Joe Brady made James Cook into a factor for Buffalo
and decided to say I decided I'm not gonna throw
it to Stefan Diggs anymore. We're gonna throw it to
whoever is open. And Stefan Diggs may have had some pushback.
It may have been a personality thing where he was like,
I deserve to get the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
Now, that's a wide receiver thing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
You could name any you can name five wide receivers
off the top of your head that don't get the
ball and are gunna bitch and mown and complain about it.
So like you can't really put that on Stefan. The
onus is not just on Stefan Diggs that he did
not perform down the stretch. I think that had a
lot of factors that played into it, and like Dylan instead,
they didn't want him there after a certain point, they

(01:01:38):
just didn't want him there. So I think there's still
a lot of gas left in the tank for this guy,
and he's gonna be really relevant and have a great
season and probably get another kind.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Okay, what's what's the best case ceiling for Stefan Diggs
right now?

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Like finish, yeah, fish finish on the year. I mean
best case is wide receiver one. He can not overall
a wide receiver one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
So you put a number two, it nine, twelve, five,
that matters, That matters.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
I saw wide receiver one, so anywhere between eight to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Okay, great, So ceiling is wide receiver eight, right, Thomas, I.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Would say high and wide receiver two just because of
a target competition that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
He yet that's it. No, I'm talking ceiling like it
goes as good as it can in Houston and Okay,
so with that, with that, do you guys know the
like trope of like there's a clone or like an
alien that like looks like him, and it's like, Okay,
someone's got a gun and you gotta like shoot the
fake one and save the real one. It's like, how
did you know it was me? Kind of situation, Like

(01:02:38):
this is how I feel. All three Houston wide receivers
are are lined up. One of them is going to
be the best finisher in fantasy. Okay, Stefan Diggs. There's
so much smoke around him, like you said, the narratives
followed him.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
I get all of it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
I'm looking for an excuse to shoot one of them
and just have him off my board. Does that make sense? Like, hey,
you're giving like you might be the re wide receiver one,
but I don't like especially like I don't want to
take that risk because the upside isn't worth it. It's
not the wide receiver one, it's maybe wide receiver eight,
and that's a downgrade of what he's been in years past.
You add that to the fact that Tank Dell is

(01:03:14):
cheaper in redraft not in Dynasty by any stretch. I
think that's actually the industry. I gotta I gotta temper
this because it's such a redraft mode right now. But
like I will say in Dynasty, he might present an
option as a cheap go win a championship because people
like me are out there and just looking to get
rid of him. But it's certainly in Redraft or in
any other format. I'm super out of Steffan Diggs. You

(01:03:34):
give me any excuse, bro, I think I think you're
the impostor. Like that's I have enough evidence. You hurt
me enough last season. I'm out. I would much rather
believe in Nico or Tank Dell. And this proves it
because honestly, the preseason, we just started out the show
like this shouldn't matter so much, and I'm overreading a
conversation on the sideline to get a guy off my board.
But maybe maybe I am the problem. Yeah, yeah, well

(01:03:58):
you know the truth is the truth, no matter how dresses.
But yeah, I I I'm still out on Stefan Diggs.
That's all I needed to say. You know, I want
him on his best behavior. He's not.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
I think he'll be fine. He'll be fine. Listen, you said,
best case scenario is you asked me. I said, best
case scenario is low end wide receiver.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
One.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Worst case scenario is a wide receiver. Three that's worst
case scenario.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
No, Dylan. Worst case scenario is he is they trade
him mid season.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
You know he like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
This year.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
It doesn't it doesn't matter if you are a toxic
locker room and you're an because first of all, they
have the it's only a one year deal. If he is,
he is going to detract from the one year that
he's there. If he is a negative on the locker
room at all and keeping them from reaching their goals,
they will move on from him right away. That will
not do. I think that's ultimately gonna happen. No, but

(01:04:49):
that is the worst case.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
It's a different situation because Stefan Diggs was in a
wide receiver room in Buffalo where he was the best
option period, the best option, give me the ball. He's
going to an offense now where he knows that there's
guys that are younger, spry coming out like you don't
think they counted the cost of that, And he's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Not Adam Feeling was in his primeking like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Like Thomas said, name wide receiver A. J. Brown last
year did the same exact thing, Ceedee Lamb. If he
doesn't get the ball, is going to be asking for
the ball like all of these guys.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
It's a a J.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Brown doesn't have have a long listed attitude problem. He's
just an alpha. There's a difference. He's a locker room
guy as well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
How are you gonna cut slack for one guy not
the other that doesn't that's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Because Stefon Diggs has it, because of how he left
in Buffalo. I'm not gonna ignore those things. I'm a
character guy, Dylan, I care. Meanwhile, George.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Dude, he's complaining for the ball and the dude hasn't done.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
Jack Nidley squat I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Was at that statement completely. Moving on, Moving on, I
do want to talk about Jermaine Burton. Thomas just for
you had an unbelievable preseason showing you're for those of you. Well,
we're not even this is audio only. Thomas is fanning
himself right now. You are hot and bothered for Jamaine Burton.
I'm going to give you a chance to give him

(01:06:08):
some flowers right now, you're Stokes. This has been not
a sleeper per se in the Dynasty community, but certainly
my guy in the makings of one.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
He's my number one, my guy man. This season, I've
been whoever will listen to me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
I've been saying from day one, Jermaine Burden is the
sleeper you want on your team because the dude.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
He is speaking of character, you want to talk about character.
She was in wide receivers.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Jermaine Burden is one of the biggest character concerns coming
out of college. But also if you watch this kid play,
I'm talking about his release, his speed, his.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
Route running, his hands. He but he reminds me of
Steve Smith. And you know who else had character concerns.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Steve Smith, Like he has that kind of fire in
his belly, now do I You know, I don't condone
anything that he's done in the past, but he is
in a situation right now where he could beat a
wide receiver three. I'm not sure he will beat a
wide receiver three to start the season, but they're gonna
have trouble keeping him off the field, and we saw
that in the preseason game.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
The dude is gonna get open. And so.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
I just think that with T Higgins, Jamar Chase, and
Jermaine Burden on the field at the same time is
gonna cause so many headaches that the Bengals are gonna
have one of the better probably passing seasons that you've
seen in a long time. If they let this kid play,
and in the future when T Higgins is moving on

(01:07:41):
next year, which is inevitable, Jermaine Burden is gonna fill
that wide receiver two role. And you have the wide
receiver two for the Cincinnati Bengals and at pass first offense,
and you got him in probably the third round of
your rookie draft.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Yeah, the long term narrative certainly is could and that's
really the play that that makes it all worth it, right, Like,
you got a possibly fantasy wide receiver two for years
to come, connected to Joe Burrow, who I believe is
one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL, and you
got him for cheap. Dylan any thoughts in Jermaine Burden, No.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
I mean that was what a call?

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
What a call?

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
I mean, I was I liked him as a prospect
of coming out. I didn't know because he's always also
just been in such crowded wide receiver rooms in college
where he was never given the chance to be the guy.
And so yeah, he's once again in a crowded wide
receiver room though. So I mean, we'll see what comes
of it. We know T Higgins is gone, but there's
still Jamar Chase, there's still Yoshi. You know, there's other

(01:08:36):
receiving options there, and so this year definitely will not
be the year you'll probably see spurts of Wow, that
guy's actually good. But to this year, I don't think
you're gonna get it. I think he's going to be
in and out with Yoshi at the wide receiver three position.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Andre Yoshi Voss just and yeah, not the dinosaur from
MA just confused. Yeah, before we move on, before me on,
we got to wrap the show. It's been great, guys.
It's it's so exciting to have fresh news to talk about,
to have real things to react to after a very
long offseason. You guys just completed a trade in the

(01:09:10):
league of record in regards what were the pieces involved,
Travis etn T Higgins as well. You just talked about
him moving on. He's fun to speculate about, what you know,
what did exactly did you guys do? And why let
the people know what's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Going I got it right here. It wasn't our league record,
it wasn't Cartel, but so I gave up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Our secondary secondary league of record.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Javonte Williams Drake London twenty six fourth, twenty seven third
and twenty seven fourth for T Higgins, Travis et In
and Tyrone Tracy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Thomas. Why are you out on T Higgins? Man? Is
the Jermaine Burton love just so hot? Is Is that
all it is?

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
Or? Well?

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
I got Jamaine Burden on my team as well, So
that's that's That's one reason why he was expendable.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
But you know I needed somebody I want to win, right.
T Higgins to me is not well, let me put this,
He's no. I think Drake London can be a league winner. Yeah,
and I had to pay for him. I had to
pay for him.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
You know, Travis Eten is a top five to seven
running back in the league and dynasty and redrafts and
all of that, so I I knew I was gonna
have to give up something. What made me want to
do to trade was, first of all, I got my
wide receiver a one to go with Crystal Lovey. I
got a one A and a one bat with him

(01:10:37):
and Chris Olive on the team. Getting Javonte Williams was
big because if Javonte Williams, it's a coin flip. But
if Javonte Williams has a really good season. He's going
to get another contract. He's twenty four years old, he's
still young. He's going to be relevant in the future,
and I'm hoping that he recaptures what he had that

(01:10:58):
rookie season before he got hurt in it's sophomore season.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
So I'm I'm it's a calculated risk.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
It's a risk, nonetheless, but I feel like Drake London
makes me more formidable on a weekly basis because I
can put Javonte Williams in and I lose a little
bit from ETN, but I feel like I gained enough
from Drake London. And it sucked giving up Tyrone Tracy
because I really believe in his talent.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
A preseason game man, Yeah well yeah, yeah, it was great.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
It was great. But I mean, I think Tracy is
going to be really good for years to come.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
I think I think Dylan got a good a good deal,
to be honest with you, but I think that it
was for me.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
It was fair enough where I was willing to take
that hit.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Yeah, I think it was go ahead, Josh oh no,
I was gonna go on a monologue, so please, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Yeah, let me save you from that you know when you're.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
I mean I thought the trade was good. Obviously I
did it, but it really stun getting rid of Drake
London because like you said, he, I mean he was
my wide receiver three on that team, and so like
having him, I felt just like, man, I'm locked and loaded.
So I do feel like obviously I downgraded going from
London to t but the upgrade at running back was
worth it for me because of how my team build is.

(01:12:16):
Like I said, he London was my wide receiver three
behind Tyreek Hill and Justin Jefferson. So I feel like
I could downgrade at wide receiver a little bit and
it be worth it, and then upgrade to to Travis
Eten made it worth it for me because I just
needed some more firepower at running back. So overall, I
thought it was a good trade. And then yeah, Tyrone Tracy,
I believe in him. We went back and forth between

(01:12:37):
Tyrone and Tracy and and Jalen Right. I really wanted
Jalen Right, but but I had to settle for Tyrone Tracy.
So no, I thought it was a good overall trade.
I mean, Josh, you were though.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
Oh yeah, I don't worry. I'll get to my monologue.
I've just now had time to add to it, so
thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Into the podcast, you might want to put the podcast
on two.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
We're gonna I would have two. I'mould have two different
outros for the show. You're gonna have the normal outros
and those who are fans of me will stay on.
The reason I wanted to bring up the trade was
Drake London and he's not a name that has I
think gotten forgotten about. He was one of the biggest
winners in the early offseason with Kirk Cousins going to

(01:13:17):
the Falcons. I believe that Drake London is either going
to be a league winner or like one of the
number one rostered players on teams that missed the playoffs
in like redraft, and there's no one between this year,
because it feels like an all in year for him.
Our expectations have always been high. There's ben flashes, but
there's always been a very valid reason as to why
he hasn't taken the next step forward, and he's only

(01:13:39):
been two years in the league. But the wide receiver,
he's going as the wide receiver ten on sleeper ADP.
He's kind of in the mid second I think it's
a really really call your Shot move. And what's this interesting, Dalan,
is that I'm glad you brought up he was your
wide receiver three because you have Justin Jefferson on your
team in that league as well as Tyreek Kill. If
I'm not mistaken, right, Yeah, you're loaded at wide receiver.

(01:14:00):
So it was like, hey, you you're you're still a
believer in Drake London, but you wanted to upgrade with
etn get some running back power. Makes good sense. But
I really like as we go in and in the
show and we go into the season, Drake London represents
a call your Shot player, and next week is going
to be the Call your Shot show. We are talking
the my guys. So Dylan will have, I will have

(01:14:23):
and Thomas will all have at least three guys that
we're claiming as my guys next week. So you don't
want to miss it because we're gonna be trying to
identify the guys we want to plant our flag on unequivocally,
the guys that we believe are either undervalued or you know,
over whatever they are. The my guys, well, hey, they're
all positive. You can't by the way, just to be clear, guys,
we can't come with my guys like my guys. Caleble

(01:14:44):
is and this guy is not a winner and he sucks.
And I'm just gonna remind you guys every week, so
please stay tuned for that. We're very excited for the
season kickoff. My monologue is over, and so is this show.
Thank you for tuning in to the Dynasty Exchange. We
will see you all next week. Yeah, Pren, the Seer

(01:15:05):
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