Keep Trade What?

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
They say more hands make less work. That's why I'm
excited to introduce both Dylan and Thomas Smith. Gonna be
joining us quite frequently from here on out. Thomas Dylan,
Welcome to the show. We've got a lot to dive into.
Justin Jefferson with a massive contract extension. Dylan's already confused
because I haven't jumped into some random analogy to intro

(00:29):
the show. But I'm just trying to throw him off Thomas,
because it's a new day, it's a new dollar, and
to be frank, I'm starting to feel my age. I
have to get to things quickly. I pulled my hamstring
this week while out running around. I was chasing a frisbee,
believe it or not, And so I'm just from now
here on out, I'm straight to business now. I'll probably
still do the crazy intros when it applies, but I'm

(00:51):
so excited to have two guys here. We've got a
full we got a full cast. We've got a Dynasty
exchange with three hosts. That feels fantastic, incredible. Yeah, ain't
a crowd, not a crowd.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
But we're not gonna We're not gonna start this show
without at least disgusting.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
I need to know.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
I need to know from the people.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Is Star Wars pop culture?

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Am I? Because I've never like I got we were
literally talking about this and they thought we were just
gonna leave it off air. No, no, no, I need to
figure this out. I need you guys to tell me
in the audience.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Is Star Wars pop culture?

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Am I?

Speaker 4 (01:25):
Miss?

Speaker 2 (01:26):
I'm missing it out?

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Okay, Tommy, this is why we.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
Just lost half follow audience. By the way, that's just
it just gone fine, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
This is this is a dynasty fantasy football show.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Dylan.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Dylan is finally feeling self conscious because it's not just
the two of us, and he can't he can't just
disagree with me, like, no, Josh, you're wrong, You're a nerd.
I was before the show. I was like, Dylan, you understand,
Star Wars is actually pop culture. Like it's not this niche,
nerdy thing. A bunch of people like everyone and their
mother has seen Star Wars and that's why we have

(02:04):
a Star Wars bet. In regards to George Pickens and
t Higgins this year, I think it's a perfect a
perfect Lord. This is this is the kind of fantasy
content you can expect in June from people. We're talking
about contract extensions. We've got a lot of keep trade

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cut coming up. But let's just stay here for Thomas, Well,
I have you, thanks for being around again. Is would
you say, would you say Lord of the Rings is
a nerdy niche thing or is that general pop culture
as well?

Speaker 4 (02:39):
It's pop culture and moving one like a Billions is
like one of the greatest films of all time. You know,
like I can't, I don't you know what, I just
don't want to even do this argument, Like Dylan, you
gotta you got it's gotta take the l bro, take
thew watching Star Wars, watching Lord of the Rings that
just like you'll understand, You'll just say it.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
It's it's gonna be okay, Dylan, It's it's gonna be okay.
We're not in fourth grade. You don't have to do.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
This identity that you.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Don't even watch that stuff. That's I would never I
don't even play with action figures. It's all sports for me.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
I just don't know when I'm gonna have three hours
to watch one single movie, one single movie. I still
how many of the Rings are there? They're like four
of them five. No, No, do you watch Dune? No,
it's like what I watched?

Speaker 4 (03:34):
What I watch?

Speaker 2 (03:35):
They're long, right, right, Thomas, They're long.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
As long as hell. Dude. That's gonna take a day.
It's gonna take a day to get through. Like I
won't remember. But when the when The Return of the
King came out, I had not seen the first two
and it took me a whole day to get through
them all because just the first t it was like
seven hours.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
So it's coming to you guys with this. These are
the movies that I watch. These are my movies. Okay, right,
you got Served blind Side Side. I don't care if
it's fake. It's one of the greatest movies of all town.

(04:13):
How it hasn't won Oscars on Oscars?

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Wait, wait, you got served?

Speaker 3 (04:18):
You got bro?

Speaker 2 (04:19):
You got served as my jam I saw it in
the Yeah, that's my jam, bro. You got served as
a thrower. And step up? Step up two? Is that's
a banger too?

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Yeah? I like to step off you gouts. Served has
an age? Well that my you want to talk about
niche drum line or something like that, you know, but
I don't.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Even know you got served? I know drum line. But
I don't know you got you got served for you
we lost everyone.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
You got served was hot for a second, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, listen, if people, if people are still with us
at this point, it's five minutes into the show. We
haven't talked any fantasy football. They're committed, and you know,
you know who else is committed. You know who else
has committed. The the Vikings are committed to Justin Jefferson
and why not the highest paid non quarterback of all time?
Well deserving, guys. Did you know that he has more

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receiving yards than any other player through his first four
years and in less games sixty games, five hundred and
nine to nine receiving yards and he was like injured
half of last year, if not more like quarterback.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Man, it's crazy, guys, just initial reactions to the extension. Obviously,
Justin Jefferson was already untouchable for Dynasty, but Thomas will
start with you. Does this give you ironclad confidence in him?
You'll you'll if you have him, You're never trading him
away unless it's for kings ransom, Right.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
Boys, right of die?

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Man.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
He is, he is the apex of what you want
in a receiver. I mean, like he's there was a
double alpha, it would be Justin Jefferson, like everybody else
is gone. And then you got to think about it,
like he got a first round pick planet on the
other side of him, who's really good. He's got top

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ten overall tight end who plays on side of him,
who's really really good. They've always had like decent, two
really good running backs, but he still commands this huge
target share because nobody can cover this man triple yeah,
double coverage, like contested catches, you know, the route run
and everything, like there's nothing, there's no flaw in his game.

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There's nothing that you want more from a wide receiver.
And if you have a bad quarterback. You saw it
last year. Dylan just said it. Nick Mullins was the
quarterback man and he still is producing. It doesn't matter.
He's full proof. You're paying the bag. He is the
number one receiver in fantasy.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
I couldn't agree more. And you guys, you were on
the show Thomas when with Mike when we talked about
JJ McCarthy. I'm not a JJ McCarthy guy. We've talked
about it exhaustion, Josh, but I don't worry about Justin Jefferson.
You just said it, Nick Mullins. Th I literally just
watched the clip right before we hopped on on Twitter
where Nick Mollins it's like third and twenty seven and

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Nick Mullens just throws it up to Jettis and he
catches it between two guys, gets rocked and they get
the first. It's like and then he had that incredible
one handed you know, It's just like.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Against Buffalo two years ago. I will never forget.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
The is just he is. He's an anomaly of a
wide receiver, and I don't care who's throwing the ball
to him. As long as you can get it in
his vicinity, it's fine. So I mean, Sith Lord, do
you agree with us or I mean.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
First of all, in Dynasty football, I'd be happy to
be a sith Lord. In fact, I'm probably gonna change
my team name to a sith Lord right now, because
you know what the sith always do. They don't get
lost in the moment. They don't let people get in
their feelings and be like, oh, you're a Jedi, like
these are your values you should always like No, They're
like they have a long term plan to absolutely dominate
and wipe out the competition when no one else saw

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coming because they're patient, so absolutely fit. Thank you, Dylan.
I take it as a compliment in Dynasty, Are you
kidding me? Every other team, every other team's gonna get
wiped out with the amount of picks I have. Yeah,
if you've seen the movie, you you just you walked
into that. Do your research head completely.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
That was funny.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
About a nerd analogy about another nerd sport. You know, Thomas.
I don't know if you heard the last episode, but
I had seen something. I think I told Dylan. I
had never been more offended. H Fantasy football is just
sports fanatics playing D and D, and I was like,
I've never played D and D, but I feel I
felt attacked.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Ye, I've seen I've seen D and dB played like.
I've seen it in action and how it works and
all that. I've never played it myself, but yes, I.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Would do it one time just to say like I
did it and experience it. But I couldn't devote time
to that long term. I don't think I could do it.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Imagining work like question for you guys.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
As you guys are talking about D and D, I'm
still analyzing this Justin Jefferson situation. Is he the with
the extension, the unquestioned wide receiver one? Like, is there
any objection?

Speaker 1 (09:11):
I was gonna bring this up. So we're gonna be
playing a lot of keep trade cut tonight. We've got
a lot of contract extensions to talk about. J Jennies
obviously leads us off. Just happened, massive contract blah blah blah,
but ceedee lamb Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, that's the easy
one to kind of go, Hey, it's the Big three.
Big three is really popular in pop culture right now

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as well? Of those Big three? Is there any that
you would take over Justin Jefferson right now with the extension?
And I can lead us off with this, I'm still
a Jamar Chase guy. I think being connected to a
what I believe is a Hall of Fame caliber guy
and Joe Burrow not saying he's a hall of Fame
yet or he's earned that, but I think when all
a saiden, Joe Burrow will be in Canton, and I

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think Jamar Chase is gonna be there with him. Because
of that, there's just more upside each and every season
in my my opinion that he could have a twenty touchdown,
you know, like, I don't think Jefferson's ever gonna brank
writ Randy Moss's record. I just don't think he'll have
the quarterback, especially with that kind of contract, to ever
do it. Whereas Jamar with Joe could have one of
those crazy, crazy years because Joe could elevate him. He

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could elevate Joe.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
So hold on, didn't you aren't you? You're a JJ
McCarthy guy.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
He's your QB two.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
What a quarterback to a JJ McCarthy guy is, is Thomas?
I am? I am willing to say in this that
JJ McCarthy's the quarterback too, and it's very close with
Jayden Daniels right behind and then Drake May Thomas. I
think that makes it to be actual like JJ McCarthy. No,
I'm a Viking situation guy, Dylan, I've always said that

(10:44):
it's a Viking situation. I'll defend it. Thomas, you're a
huge JJ McCarthy guy. Are you going Jefferson because of that?

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Just not huge?

Speaker 4 (10:54):
I believe in the kid, but I'm not huge. I
don't want I don't want to like. I don't want
to like playing my flag on JJ McCarthy like being
Joe Mocha but.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Like but but.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Like we didn't date.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
We didn't date like we were we were talking like
like I may have made I was it's not like
what this is.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
It was just you know, yeah it was understood. No listen, listen.
I I really really really think that JJ McCarthy's best
days haven't been like so the main issue with JJ
McCarthy is when you look at the tape, I do
see a little bit of a slow processor, right. I

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don't think that's that's a detriment to him in the NFL.
I think with Kevin O'Connell O'Connell and Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, TJ. Hockinson,
you know, a good running game Aaron Jones is gonna help.
I think his first of all, his situation is going

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to make him a lot better in the NFL. But
I also think that he didn't have to show a
lot in Michiean. He didn't have to do a lot.
He didn't have to like perform like last minute comebacks
or three or for forty touchdowns. They just dominated. They
ran the ball down people's throat. They played defense and
they dominated. Now you're not gonna get that in the NFL.

(12:20):
You're gonna have to show improve right. I do think
JJ McCarthy. I do see a lot of attributes. I
see a live arm, I see a lot of mobility,
and if he can tighten up that process in just
a little bit, I do think he has a higher
ceiling than a lot of people are expecting from him.
So I do believe, yeah, like a Dylan, Yeah, I

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believe he could be one of those quarterbacks that ends
up like fifteen, fourteen, thirteen, maybe even if he on
his best year, could be a lowing quarterback one and
dine oh love gotcha?

Speaker 2 (12:52):
So does that mean you have Jefferson one.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Of those three?

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Of those three?

Speaker 4 (12:58):
Got ready for my first I.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Oh, they're right here, let's hear it.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Yeah, you're ready? You want any boy the three? And
it's not just because I'm a Homer and I went
to Lsugo Tigers, but Jamar Chase, justin Jefferson interchangeable as
a number one. You're talking about one A and one B.
I think ceedee Lamb, Ceede Lamb is a three and
it's not even close like.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Caliber.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
I think he's the third best receiver in Dynasty. But
I don't think it's even close. And I'll tell you why.
Ceedee Lamb had a very very rough start to last year.
I don't know if you remember, he finished the season
on hair. Dak Prescott finished the season on a tair.
They went up against some of the worst defense. You
can go look up the stats from last year. The
last six or so games. They went up against the

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worst defenses pass wise you will find in the NFL.
And my point is Ceedee Lamb being a great player
at all. I'm not taking anything away from him. He's
still worthy of the third spot in fantasy but in Dynasty,
but I think that those two, if you pick CD
Lamb over those two, you're doing yourself with this.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
But you so you don't believe he even belongs in
the tier he is. He is, you should see himself
out of the conflicts it.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yeah, I think it's those two big dogs. Is him,
and you know you got the Tyreek and all of
that and that range. But I think it's those two
big dogs and then everybody else comes out.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
So, just just for argument's sake, and to complete the exercise,
keep trade cut those three officially pick between Jamar and Justin.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Pick between Jamorar and Justin. I'm gonna keep I'm gonna
I'm gonna go with you. I'm gonna go with you, Dylan,
I mean Josh, I'm gonna I'm gonna keep Jamar because
i want the Jill Burrow aspect of that. I'm going
to trade Justin and I'm gonna cut CD.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
And if I didn't say that specifically, that's exactly mine
as well. So yeah, agreed, love it, Dylan. Any any
differing opinions.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
There, I still think I have Jefferson one overall. I
think I would take Jefferson. I don't entirely disagree with
the CD Lamb. I think he's very contingent on Dallas
and Dak Prescott, and right now neither of them are
signed or attached to Dallas long term, so that gives
me a little pause. We know Jamar Chase is going

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to get a contract bigger than what Jefferson just got
next year, right, He's gonna set the market again next year, so.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
In ceedee Lamb this year is probably going to get
something just behind what Jefferson just got.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but is that going to be his quarterback?
If they do that. I don't. I don't know, So
I agree with the separation, but I have Jefferson because
of we've seen Jefferson do it without a quarterback, with
a quarterback upside down hurt, only playing ten games, like
we've seen Justin Jefferson do it so consistently, and not
that we haven't seen Chase. Chase has been consistent for
his first three seasons. Why does he were five, twelve,

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and thirteen. But there's going to be more mouths to feed,
and uh, Cincinnati, and I think they're going to and
I know T Higgins is probably on his way out,
but I mean you your boy, Jermaine Burton Thomas like
I like him a lot, and they're going to bring
in someone else, and so I don't know. And if
Joe Burrow, hopefully Joe Burrow can stay healthy, we don't
know that's actually fair. But I just I've seen I've

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seen Justin Jefferson do it without Kirk Cousins, and so
I'm not worried about him, even if it is JJ McCarthy.
So it's for me, he's my one overall.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
I was I was very very tempted to get to
this right away, but We're going to take a quick
commercial break. When we come back, we're going to stay
on Justin Jefferson, because guys, the reality is no one
who has Jamar Chase cd M and Justin Jefferson is
calling the owner of the other two. And but let's
do a trade. And most of them are So I've
got some exotic, more real life ones that I've actually

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run through keep trade cut and these would get counted
as blue, they would get counted as fair. So we'll
dive into those more unique roster construction right after this
welcome back in we are talking Justin Jefferson's contract, and
Dylan has as a side quest, been getting an education
in Star Wars. But getting getting back to Justin Jefferson. Listen,
if you're trading for or just you know, Justin Jefferson,

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or if you're trading him away, they're you're not doing
it with one of the big receivers. You're not getting
a Jamar Chase, you're not getting a CD LAMB. Any
league that's doing that is trading just to trade. These
guys are very similar in value. It really makes no sense.
So I wanted to do something a little bit more realistic.
I would say, when you're going to acquire a star
like that, it it usually is in some form of

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blockbuster trade with a team that's either admitting, hey, I'm
all in this year or I'm rebuilding, et cetera.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
So I put.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Together a little bit, you know, and guys, just imagine
for every one of these your team is like a
middle like in a vacuum, like it's a parody of
a league. Don't pretend you're like tanking. Don't pretend you're
like a win now team. Just fifty, like overall fifty
on everything, like you're just very middle of the road,
just in a vacuum. Would you do this? So the

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first keep trade cut I've got surrounding Justin Jefferson would
be Justin Herbert and Jordan Addison, also in Minnesota, had
a great rookie year. Seems to me a little undervalued.
Would you trade? And this is a super flex format,
by the way, Okay, Justin Jefferson for Justin Herbert, who's
also depreciated. I can't help but notice that I'm getting.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Just just about to say, like, how in the world
is Herbert? And plus we're Justin Simpson.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, so Addison and Herbert for Jefferson straight up. That
goes through that is blue and keep trade cut right now,
So maybe that's a criticism of keep trade cut all
at the listeners decide and then the third option is
a twenty twenty five early first and Marvin Harrison Junior.
So would you reroll on the jettas get maybe a

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great player next year? Do you take the QB and
the sure production or do you just stick with the
highest paid non QB of all time? A little bit different?
Not so easy?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Huh man? That that Marv trade is is that one's tempting?
I think it's easy justin Herbert side for me and
that and that one. Really Yeah, if you're getting the cute,
I mean he's a still a top ten dynasty QB
to me at least, like I'm not going to pass
up on that and then also get a plus on

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top of it. No, Jordan Adison's no sham a wide
receiver either.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
So Ranke, those keep trade, keep trade cut? Those are
you putting Jefferson second? Are you putting him third? In
that situation?

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Uh? Huh?

Speaker 2 (19:30):
But what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (19:32):
So to keep trade cut?

Speaker 2 (19:33):
You got Jefferson's three situations? Yeah? Boy, So.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Early first, by the way, like and can't know for sure,
but assume top five pick Justin Jefferson as he is,
or Herbert and Addison.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
I'm I'm a big gambler, Okay, I like, No, I
don't actually gamble. I like to take risks as a.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Gamble.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
I'm a huge gambler. Okay, huge gambler. I've got a
friend named Epe.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
No.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
I would take the risk in Marvin Harrison in the
first because I know what I can do with that first,
and not to say that Marvin Harrison will be Justin Jefferson,
but I like the prospect. I like the landing spot,
so I'd probably keep that, and then I like the
Justin Herbert situation, and then Justin Jefferson last, So.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
You keep your Yeah, Thomas, any different opinion there?

Speaker 4 (20:36):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm gonna hm hm. So I think what
I'm gonna do. I'm gonna keep I'm gonna I'm gonna
agree with Dylan and keep the Marvin Harrison and the first. Wow,
that's it. I like, I am a gambler. I've lost

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a lot in Vegas. I've lost. So you may not
want to listen to this take.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Explain some of your trades in exchange. I'm starting to
see a gambling technique.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
I'm a gambling man. I'm a person though, and this
is this goes to show, like you know, some of
my you know, trays that I make, I'm willing to
bet on something I haven't seen, and I know a
lot of people want to see something first before they
bet on. I am such a believer in Marvin Harrison's talent.

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I just think that he is as sure a thing
as we've had since God knows when. I can't even
think of somebody that came in the league that we
were just like completely sure about. Now. He may not
do it in the first season, but I'm willing to
take whatever like small fantasy hit that I might take
for having him, uh, you know, get used to the

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game and be a rookie and all of those things.
But I also get that first round pick, and if
things don't work out, you know, I still got a
first round pick. I could still you know, use that
to either go get someone or you know, use it
in the draft. That would be my keep. I'm going
to trade the the Justin Herbert side of out. The

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reason I say that is because I don't think the
Jordan Addison is a great plus in my opinion. I'm
a little worried about Jordan Addison with these new quarterbacks
coming in. It's not like having Kirk Cousins, who can
facilitate the ball to so many different players and can
throw for forty five hundred yards and all of that stuff.

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I think Justin Herbert is going to exceed the expectations
people have for him under Greg Roman, because I just
don't see Gus Edwards rushing for fifteen hundred yards or whatever.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
You know.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
Greg Roman's offenses have done in the past, and a
lot of that was on Lamar Jackson running for youndred
a thousand yards, which that has to be allocated to someone.
And I think and Herbert would have a lot more
passing than Greg Roman has had in the past. But
I just don't believe Jordan Addison's first season is indicative
of what we're going to see in the next two

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or three seasons. So I'm gonna I'm gonna cut that
one and I'm going to trade uh uh, the Justin
Jefferson side of it.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah yeah, so yeah, so keep trade Justin Jefferson and
then cut Herbert. Okay, yeah, yeah, no, well, I put
two Justin's in there that's on me, and then also.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Put two vis in there. Way to help us.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Out, because because you could, all right if I changed
the Addison name, because it's really like a wide receiver,
you know, I think twenty three to twenty seven, and
you could do like you know, a Zay Flowers guy, George.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
Pickens, me, ya, yay, this match for me? Two?

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Okay, similar value on Keith grade cut. I just took
Addison for the Vikings. It changes the answer for you guys.
You guys would would take that.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
No, I'd still have Marvin Harrison first for me. Yeah,
but I would keep my same order. I would still take.
I mean, Justin Herbert and Zay would just be a
smash over Justin Jefferson pretty easily.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
I would. I would change my order to Dylan's. To
Dylan's order. If it's Flowers, you would just think on it.
I think Jordan. I think Jordan Addison is overvalued. I
really believe he's overvalued.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
And yeah, I didn't disagree with that.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
That might not be wrong. I am an Addison fan.
I think he had a fine rookie year. I think
he can improve upon it. But with a rookies be
I understand the concerns, and Justin Jefferson, especially with that contract,
is gonna get his We've talked a lot about movies already,
why not want more? It's really hard to not talk

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about Justin Jefferson as the name brand. And when I
think of name brands, I think of Denzel's character in
American Gangster Frank Lucas.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
That one I've seen that A that's a great movie.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
When he when he talks about Blue Magic, He's like,
it's like Coca Cola's name. And so the reality is
Justin Jefferson is the best single asset in this entire discussion.
Not being said, I'm a huge Mark guy. I love
Mark like Marv is like one on one should be
all that plus you get in early first love that.

(25:23):
That's great. No bad options here. But I think in
a super flex league, the most depreciated asset, the biggest
value is that Justin Herbert. For some reason, you're getting
a potential high end you know, wide receiver two, potential
low end wide receiver one, whether it's Addison, Z Flowers, Pickens,

(25:44):
you know, DK metcalf is in that range. Give me
that thing. Yeah, That's what I'm saying, plus the QB.
The QB is going to last just as long as
Justin Jefferson's career. We forget how good Justin Herbert can
be in a good offense, whether it's this Hue or
other years, in an offense with Harbaugh as his coach.
I think I'm gonna take the guaranteed thing. And as

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much as we talk about name brands, Justin Jefferson's great
quarterbacks in super Flex are the blue magic. That's what
matters more. You cannot win in super Flex about quarterbacks.
So if I'm getting that plus fifty percent of Justin
Jefferson's production, I will take that. I'll build off of
that over the superstar name simply because that's a that's
a good enough caliber quarterback who I believe in long term.

(26:28):
I mean, people are out on Herbert right now. I
think it's the best if you believe in Justin Herbert
at all. This is the best buying season for Justin Herbert.
You're gonna you're gonna probably ever have for the next
three five, three to five years, Like this is buying
the house during COVID. This is fine. Two thousand and.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Eight QB nine on Keepdrik, which is like kind, but.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Also look at it's it's QB nine, but it's also
at like seven thousand something, which is very very low.
That's what I'm saying. That's yeah, we'll get to him.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
Yeah it's tough. Yeah that's tough.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
We'll get to him later. So that's that's how I
would order it. I would go, well, I would order
it Herbert and Addison. Then I would go Jettas because
that single player can fetch so much on the market
as as this exercise is proving. And then sadly, and
this isn't to say I would dislike this, I would
love any part of these three options. Marvin the early first,

(27:25):
you're you're waiting to see it happen, even though it's
both of those things. I'm heavily invested in and believe
it immensely. But let's move on to a different contract extension.
Jalen Wattle, I mean, he was he's completely Yesterday's News
in comparison to Jay Jettas, but he also got a
contract extension, three year, eighty four point seven million dollar extension.
It ties him to the Dolphins through twenty twenty eight.

(27:47):
I had to keep trade cut guys, the classic easy
one Wattle versus DeVante Smith and I. But we're having
so much fun for the sake of time. Does anyone
really want to compare him the original way just in
a vacuum where we're flitting hairs over high end wide
receiver tubes, or can we just jump right to the
exotic trade trade cut stuff that I already set up?

Speaker 4 (28:07):
All right?

Speaker 2 (28:08):
That's sweet?

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Sweet. First of all, actually, before we do any thoughts
on just the extension as a whole, like this doesn't
really change our opinion about him. We all kind of
saw this.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Coming, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, once they picked up this,
once they picked up his fifth I knew that the
contract was soon. I actually thought Tuo would get signed first,
but I mean I knew it was coming for Wattle.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
I actually I hope that there's a chance maybe Tua
doesn't get resigned by the Dolphins and that Wattle could
get a quarterback upgrade.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
But that's just me.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
I don't think there's a chance there's not an upgrade.
There's not an upgrade out there.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
Oh no, who's I mean, he could go dack, But
that's that.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yeah, that's like a lot of dominoes have to fall
for it to be yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
Then betting off whoever the rookie is, and they and
Tyreek don't have but like a year left of two
years left Max because he wants to retire before his
knees get bad, and you know, he wants to leave
the game at a high point. I get that. I
think the Dolphins got a steal, yeah in Jaiane Wild
and coming off of a down year too, man, Like

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it's only going to go up for him. I think
he's an ascending player. I think he's a great player.
And you look at like his numbers from last year.
He disappointed a lot of people in Dynasty or Fantasy,
but I think that was an aberration and I think
that was just a one one off, and I think
he'll go back to being one of the most injured.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
He was injured, he was playing through injury, was healthy.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yeah, and he only scored like four touchdowns, you know
what I mean, Like he just wasn't like.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
He hurt you so much more in a redraft situation
than he did in Dynasty. I think most Dynasty owners
know you've seen enough. He's finished his wide receiver seven
two years ago with Tyreek there in his prime doing
unbelievable things. We all love Jyle and Wadall as an asset,
the question is how high is the ceiling, But also
he as a player is such an interesting asset in
dynasty that high end wide receiver too. Not quite the

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foundational piece you'll never part with, but also not an
easy piece at all to trade away because this one,
it's like he could evolve at any point into the
foundational piece if Tyre retires. You know, he had ninety
four receptions his rookie season, so he can be a
volume play. He's got the speed to be a big
play guy. But also he's just not quite there where
you're like, I trust him as my wide receiver one,

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you know, stand alone. So I wanted to look at
some different keep trade cuts, and once again this may
point out where the markets have gotten a little wonky,
or maybe the tool we use isn't the best. But
just a reminder to any listeners out there, the psychological
impact of sending someone a trade and it's blue to
start is phenomenal. It makes you come off more reasonable

(30:45):
than the trade might actually be. I'm not here to
tell you that these trades are fair or that I
feel in my head I would do these trades. Some
of these are lopsided. I'm just telling you. If keep
trade cut says it's blue and I feel like I'm
winning it, I'm sending it to all of my league
mates depending on roster construction. I'm like, hey, let's make
this happen. You can always you're not going to get
ahead doing what the calculator says. You're gonna get ahead

(31:08):
when you know more than the calculator and it says
something it shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Because people overvalue people so quickly. Pokinakua look him up on.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
That's the great time. I agreed everything you said, and
then you brought up a name that is awesome.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
What are you like?

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Agreed? No oh no, sorry wait, anti cook we got
to talk about who.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Don't put that on me. Don't put that on I said,
he's over valued.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Man, I'm not anti Pooka.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
I literally came on. I said on the show, Pooka
Okua will be wide receiver fifteen to twenty on average.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
That's great, that's great.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
I'm not count on Pookah. I just don't think he's
the top ten option.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
People are here for the Dolphins not y'all slander. Listen,
here's the keep trade cut. I made it also, I
made it a little weird because I didn't just do
Jalen Watle straight up. I said, Okay, what if you
had Jalen Wattle and an early twenty five first, right,
would you do keep trade cut? Jayen Wattle early first,

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Trey McBride, Jonathan Taylor, and Josh Palmer or Lamar Jackson?

Speaker 4 (32:22):
Straight up?

Speaker 1 (32:26):
You got Wattle early first, l Jackson, Lamar for sure?

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Lamar yeah, keep for sure?

Speaker 4 (32:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (32:34):
And then Jonathan taor what wasn't the Jonathan Taylor package?
John Taylor, pretty McBride, Josh Palmer, dang, pretty good.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
That's pretty good though. That's a pretty good package. I
would take that's.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
The bones of a really competitive team. Now, if you
make that a tight end premium league as well, that
goes up. Which, by the way that that trade works,
tight end premium or not tight end premium, it still
goes through. So Trey McBride really sexy name in dynasty
right now if you believe in him. I think Jonathan
Taylor is undervalued that you guys are really just passing
up on that for Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
No, questions asked, Yeah, Lamar, I could get him. Yeah,
I want Lamar if I could get him. Man, I
mean just there's nobody like Lamar. There's just nobody like him.
You get a chance to get him, you try to.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
You's still young, got a contract fresh off MVP year Like, yeah,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Guys, he's not He's not at ot as.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
Question was.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
With Wattle, right, yeah, early? Is that an early early first?
I think I would take that over McBride, Taylor Palmer.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
So go ahead, Dylan Brank your full key trade cut there?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
So Keith Lamar, uh I guess trade the Wattle and
then sell McBride package.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
Interesting Thomas cut cut, I would Yeah, I'm with him,
I'm with dealing one hundred percent on that. Uh yeah,
I look that package is great. That's a great package, right.
This holes though, there's some holes. And when I say holes,
I mean like you could pick a part. If Anthony

(34:19):
Richards is gonna take a lot of the Russian upside
of Jonathan Taylor this year, you could say Trey McBride's
got Marvin Harrison, who could be just a target if
he is justin Jefferson, like we were talking about before,
something close to him, he's gonna hog all the targets
and leave Trey McBride and Michael Wilson and all those
people with you know, Okay, numbers, but nothing, nothing for

(34:42):
the value of what we expect out of trade McBride
right this day. Now, if it's this tighten premium, then
I understand more so, but I'm willing to take a chance.
I want Lamar if I could get him. I would
like that waddle and waddle in the first and first. Yeah,
I want waddle in the early first. That gives me
some flexibility in the future. My future looks bright, and

(35:03):
I have a wire receiver that I really love. I trust,
got it brand spanking new contract. The last one is
a good deal, but it's just it's just something about
it that feels like if one thing goes wrong with
one of those players, that deal does not look great.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
It does not.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
What if I changed the name from Trey McBride to
Dalton kink, Do you guys change your feelings on it?

Speaker 4 (35:26):
I do?

Speaker 2 (35:26):
I do to me is a much safer, much safer
option than than McBride. I think there's some volatility in
mcfride's value, whereas kinkaid I mean, the dude had like
what like eighty No, not even eighty target He had
more than eighty targets, but he didn't have that many targets.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Last year night and targets off the top of that, I.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Know he didn't break one hundred targets, but he didn't.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
He didn't.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
That's only going to go up. He's pretty much guaranteed
a hundred targets this year, and he's efficient with his catches.
I mean, I would take Kinkaid personally. If it was Kinkaid,
I would take that package over the water.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
I think is guaranteed one hundred and twenty targets. It's
just me, Thomas. You you're anti Kinkaid, You're out in kink.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
I'm not anti kink but it's the uncertainty. Man.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
You there's a lot.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Love Dalton Kink. If you don't have his picture on
your nightstand on this show, you're anti Dalton k.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
It's right here. Hold on, No, I don't have I
don't have Dalton. He's got a great name, he's in
a great situation. The only problem the problem I have
with Dalton Kink right now and with any bills receiver,
like I want the if I want a Bills receiver.
I want the cheapest one. The reason I said everything

(36:36):
coming out of camp is that they're gonna spread the
ball around. Is nobody's uh, nobody's a number one guy.
Now that could change. They're gonna be doing a whole
lot of too tight insets and all of that under
Joe Brady. So I'm staying Dalton Kinkaid is gonna probably
be the number one target get. I just don't know
how many targets under Joe Brady that we can expect

(36:57):
because remember that second half of the season, it was
soon super run heavy. They were super run heavy, and
if they continue to be super run heavy, there's a
limit to don't kink ceiling that I can see being
a potential problem. Now. He could obviously see that and
be the number one guy and be Josh's favorite target.
But you got a lot of miles to feed. They

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got like twenty receivers they brought in, so they obviously
not convinced their room is solid. So I'm nervous as
a Bill as It Bills receiver tight end owner that
there is not a number one guy in that office
that I can completely trust.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
At this moment, I think breaking news.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
You know, if there is a number one, I am
I am key on Coleman through and through. That is
my guy.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Same.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
But if there's a say, the safest receiving option in
Buffalo is Dalton k k.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
What's his upside? But what's his upside is upside.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
If we're talking tight end, his upside.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
I'll give you.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
I'll give you this.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
You got to remember, like relative to the tight end position.
Even if he's the if he's the number one option
for Josh Allen, which I think he will be on,
he will, I think they earn the most targets on
that bank.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Baby, it's it is. It is borderline of guarantee. Dude,
I would mortgage my house if my wife would, I
would not do that. That's that's terrible advice. No, But
the reality is, I'll put a prop bet on it today.
I'll do that much. I'll put a on it. Dalton
Kincaid is going to have one hundred and twenty five
plus targets in the Bills offense. Dalton Kincaid has a

(38:31):
chance for double digit touchdowns. Like rarely, if ever, do
we see a quarterback of Josh Allen's caliber, not just caliber,
but also volume the amount he produces. Despite of the
offensive coordinator have two hundred and fifty targets vacated. Gave
Davis is gone, Stefan Diggs is gone. Last year, the
target number two was Dalton Kinkaid. I believe with ninety

(38:54):
one targets, we can fact check that it's somewhere.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
In the ninety amount of anyone.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yeah, that was off the dome.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
By the way.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
That's how obsessed I am with this offense. I'm a
huge key on Coleman g Dalton Kincaid was brought in
to be the big slot. Travis Kelcey is closer to
a Deebo Samuel in the way he's used in the offense.
And guess who Dalton Kincaid is like. He's like a
Travis Kelcey. This is not a tight end. This is
a huge slot receiver who they're going to move all
around as an option and Johns gonna love it.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
You're talking Andy Reid's offense versus Joe Brady's offense.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
No, no, no, I'm talking no. I'm talking about a philosophy
about a big bodied receiver who they're going to create
touches for. That's what Dalton Kincaid was at Dylan. What
was at Utah or Utah State. I'm trying to remember.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
It was YouTube ti Utah.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
It was at Utah. That's exactly how Dalton Kinkaid was used.
He was not brought in to be a blocking tight
end because they already signed and have a great all
around tight end in Dawson Knox. He was brought in
to be a receiver who's technically a tight end so
they can pay him less. I was very anti Dalton
Kincaid in his rookie year based on price and acquisition.
Seeing what the Bills have done now they're confident in
the guys that they've brought in the receiver position, I

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agree is a bit of a crapshoot. Even though we're
both key on Coleman Truthers. We believe in it, but
it may take time for him to like build rapport.
Would you already have ninety targets you're the leading target guy,
and two hundred and fifty targets are available. That's not
even crazy to say he's going to get fifty more targets.
And I don't even haven't statisfy that only I.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Could hurt that the only person that can hurt that
is Chase Claypool. If we're being honest, the only person
that can hurt his target share is Chase Claypol.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Don't ever bring that up again. Stop it at the stop.
We've lost the were dealing with left and right now
we lost the other half of audience.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
I think it feel better. I dropped like one hundred
and twenty five FAD because of the mistake.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
I made on Chase the League. I forgot about that.
Didn't update people.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
We didn't update people. Last show, Dylan dropped Antonio Gibson
in the League where Antonio Gibson is worth a thing
or two, Dylan, I bet ninety some through FAB. You bet,
by the way, we have a one hundred dollars budget.
You bet one hundred and twenty five FAB to go
reacquire Antonio Gibson.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
The thing is is I'm an Antonio Gibson truther, and
I was not going to just let him walk and
then watch him do something on someone else's team.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
So I agree.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
I had to pay it for free exactly because I got, well, when.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
You're trying to you're trying to drop Claypool.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Was that I was trying to drop Michael Carter. Oh, yeah, that.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Makes way more sense. Let's get back to the actual
Keep Trade cut. We've changed the name to Kincaid. I
think that makes this much more interesting. Dalton Kincaid, Jonathan
Taylor and Josh Palmer instead of instead of Jalen Waddle
and in early twenty five first or Lamar Jackson, Dylan
it changed your answer? Did you want to talk about
that real quick or you can. I tell you why

(41:47):
I would have taken I'll take the Cancaid. This changes
it for me because I'm anti trade McBride. I originally
put McBride in here because I've been like, you see
how hyped trade McBride is and all this.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Like he's yeah, a little bit before I got to elaborate.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Nothing to elaborate on other than I would switch Dalton
Kincaid because of what we just talked about. I have
confidence that he'll be the at least I think he'll be.
I think he'll be the target leader. I'll just get
and say it. I think he'll be the target leader.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
I this this Keep Trade Cut comes with a confession. Guys.
I haven't meant to be I don't intend to be,
but I'm a hater. I'm for whatever reason, I'm a
Lamar Jackson hater. Not of a player. I'm a huge
fan of the player, but for fantasy purposes, it doesn't
seem like I can ever trust him. I am keeping
Jalen Waddle in the early first it's actually really close

(42:36):
with the Trey McBride, Jonathan Taylor, Josh Palmer. That's a
great package. You know, if maybe this is one of
those where if you gave me a roster, I would
change my answer based on the roster I had. I'm
sure I would. If I needed a quarterback, I'd go
get Lamar, right, But like in a vacuum, Lamar, I
just don't trust him on a week to week basis.
I know last year he still had a great year
comparedive to everyone else, but it just seems like it's

(42:58):
feast or famine with him. On top of that, there's
always something in the offseason. I don't know if it's
the negative media that always seems to chase him, like
they're always hating on the more. He just won the MVPs.
It's not an OTAs. Why is that a story?

Speaker 4 (43:09):
Like?

Speaker 1 (43:09):
I don't know, should that be a story? I don't know,
but I love Jalen Wattle. I love building around receivers
and getting in early first. I know I can flip
that regardless of who is the early first, someone's gonna
overpay for it, so I can probably get a quarterback there.
I'm gonna play the long game with the Jalen Watta side,
so I'm keeping that. I love the Jonathan Taylor, Dalton Kinkaid,

(43:31):
and Josh Palmer. Those are like three almost my guys,
because those are guys that are gonna produce at an
incredibly high level but aren't being valued that way right now.
They're being valued at that second tier. Not Josh Palmer,
he's a throw in, but Jonathan Taylor and Dalton k
and Kaid. They're both like the back end of RB
ones and tight end ones that you want right now,
and both those guys could finish number one overall at

(43:52):
their position. I believe Dalton Kinkaid will the more I
look into it, so I'm really interested in that if
I need a win now package at.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
The end of the day.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
And then, like I said, apparently I'm a Lamar Jackson atter.
I've just never trusted him for fantasy. I probably never will.
I love Washington play man. His highlights are unbelievable, and
he's he's as as cool as as can be.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
But I but he literally just came off of an
MVP season and yeah, no, no, no, no, let me finish,
and he won People championships that stretch at the end
of the season, won People championships.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Dylan, and that was his first year, honest question? Is
his first year? Honest question? If a player had a
stretch where they won People championships, do you love them?
Does that make them super valuable now?

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Not if they're not in mops.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Okay, there's plenty to love about Lamar Jackson. I just
think he's at the peak of his value. I don't
think he can go any higher. I think he can
only go down from here. He is a mobile quarterback.
I'm not saying he's Cam Newton by any stretch, but
mobile quarterbacks can fall off a lot quicker than pure
pocket passers. Lamar Jackson is certainly not a pure pocket passer.
Doesn't mean he can't pass, and he's not huge part

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he's never thrown thousand yards.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Lamar is really good at protecting himself. Though I wouldn't
I wouldn't consider him like one of those quarterbacks that's
just gonna be dust because he's taken so many hits.
I don't see Lamar take a lot of hits. I
don't see him like I wouldn't put him in the
camp of like I feel like Jalen Hurts gets beat
up all the time. I don't see Lamar beat up,
you know what I mean, Like he'll get down.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
To miss Thomas Thomas. That's that's not I mean, that's
not accurate. The left before last year, the previous two seasons,
I think he I think he only played fourteen games
in both.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
One of the games contract related. One of them was
he did not finish the season because it was conn
the injury at the end of the twenty.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Fare But he also time for injury. I've seen way
too much time.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
That fine, that's fine, But you say that which I'm
not going to see. He and argues Peyton Manning. But
the dude came off a thirty six hundred yard season,
which is the most that he's ever done in the
first year in an offense that he was still learning.
I just think it's you say he's at his highest value.
I don't think so, because I think he's on keep
trade cut. He's QB four. I think four, yeah is
what it is. I mean he could still jump up

(46:06):
into the top one or two. I do he could
jump Patrick Mahomes and in fantasy value, he could jump
Patrick Mahomes. I believe it.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
There's a less than there's a less than five percent
chance in my opinion, but will agree to disagree. We've
got one more receiver to discuss and a lot more
keep trade cuts with that receiver, Nico Collins, and his
situation is coming up next. Please stay tuned, Welcome back
in listen. In fantasy football, especially when you're doing a show,
you never miss an opportunity to take a victory lap.

(46:34):
I'm going to do so now. I think it was
two three weeks ago, Dylan, I said, listen, Dylan. I
will say this on record, Dylan is a bigger Nico
Collins fan than I've ever been. Dylan was early on
Nico Collins. It's one of his three things ever in
the history of fantasy football. He's gotten correct. Congratulations. I
said three weeks ago that Stefan Diggs coming with I

(46:56):
don't know if it was three weeks ago. It was
around that time that Stefan Diggs comeing to Houston was
a false flag. Don't be worried about it. For Nico
Collins value. I believe he's going to get extended. Boys,
it happened. Nico Collins three years, seventy two million dollar extension.
Feels like they save some money by getting it done
before Jalen Waddell, before Justin Jefferson. Nico Collins coming off

(47:18):
an excellent year. Obviously, CJ. Stroud is already being talked
about about as one of the faces of the league.
Nico Collins great player. I still feel really hard to
value because I'm still a Tank Dell guy. I in
a startup would probably Tank. Actually, that's a great question.
Would you guys with this extension take Tank Dell because
the one I feel like you and I talked about

(47:40):
this and you would before the extension, take Tank Dell
before Nico Thomas. You're already shaking your head on camera
what you disagree Already there's.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
A lot of people who believe Tank Dell is more
valuable than Nico. I do not. I don't. I don't.
I'll plant my flag on that. I look, Tank Dell
is a great player. He had a great stretch. He's
a great player. We know this. Him and CJ have
a great relationship. But you saw him like you started

(48:11):
last year. He's gonna get hurt. He's going to get injured.
He is a injury waiting to happen because of how
big he is. Now. I'm not saying that he can't
play most of the season or all of or get
through maybe a whole season, but I think they're gonna
be so many bumps and bruises along the way. You're
gonna miss game. He's gonna miss half games and partial

(48:34):
games and probably two or three games a season, and
you're gonna see that because it's gonna be a lot
of wear and tear on a one hundred and sixty
pounds guy playing football. It's just he's gonna take hits.
So that's that's Number one. The second thing is I
just think Nico Collins has the type of touchdown potential
that you look for in any any fantasy or dynasty option.

(48:58):
Like he's still young, but he has the body to
go up and get those jump balls, those contested catches.
Tank Dell does not, And when you get close to
the goal line, it's gonna be tough. But Tank Dell
to score those touchdowns. So I am a Nico Collins
Truther as far as being the number one in that offense.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, I hear you. I hear you. And typically I
am a Nico Collins Truther. I really I like Nico Collins.
I think he's a good wide receiver. I don't think
it's fair to say that Tank Dell is an injury
waiting to happen. The dude broke his leg because he
shouldn't have been where he was on that play. He
should not be on the blocking for run play. The
dude the buck seventy soken way and you have him

(49:36):
blocking and that should not be the case. So the
coaching staff, that's on them. I wouldn't put that one
on Tank Dell, but irail, and he won't. He won't
be able to sustain a whole lot of hits. But
you could have said the same thing about Devonte Smith,
and Devonte Smith has managed to say relatively healthy. And
so I'm not worried about the health with Tink Dary healthy. Yeah, yeah,

(49:57):
I'm not worried about the the help with Tank Dell.
I'm more we're more concerned with how Nico Collins plays
football because we know that Stefan Diggs is a pretty
savvy route runner, can get open underneath. We know that
we know that Tank Dell can run routes. That dude
is a route runner. To me, Nico Collins is more
of like a Marquis Colston. You guys remember Markus Colston.

(50:19):
I know you're a Saints fan, you're a Saints you
know Markus Coulston. You remind me a lot of Marquis Colston.
Where it's like it's a lot of vertical, it's a
lot of digs. I mean, Nico's a big boy. The dude,
he's a big boy, right, and he's a great red
zone target. But I think we're gonna see a regression
overall from the Houston Texans offense. And I think the

(50:40):
one that's going to take the hit the most is
going to be Nico. Not that he's going to fall
off a map or fall off the map, but I
just think he takes the regression. I think Tank Dell
and then you're gonna see Steffan Diggs play a more
important role than Noah Brown did last year. So that's
my team. You think he answered the question I want
Tank Dell.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
I love that part of it. I agree with that take,
but you said something Houston offense takes a regression even
with all the weapons they added in a Jill Mixon
and a Stavon Diggs.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Because that and that's why, because I think Joe Mixon
the pass, there's gonna be passing, regression should say that
there's gonna be passing. They're not gonna be in situations
where c J. Stroud is gonna have to throw them
to a victory. Ideally, they don't want to do that,
want to play defense a little bit better, and then
they want to run the ball a little bit better,
which is why.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
They're competitive team winning more games there. Okay, well said
that that helps on a per game basis, I think
Stroud will maybe regress, but I think on the year
he's gonna have a better year simply because I don't
think he'll be injured, and so Stroud should I think,
hit thirty touchdowns. But I still I still lean the
Tank Dell side just because of that connection with Stroud.

(51:46):
I mean, the glow find someone in your life that
loves you as much as c J. Stroud loves TNK
del and so that's that's mind leaving on. But getting
to the key track cut, guys, I'll be honest, this
was manipulative. We love Nico Collins, great player, We're all
happy for him. When I tell you the packages that
I found in this, keep trade cut, Dylan, Dylan's gonna

(52:08):
be pissed, like Dylan's gonna puke. And and it's this
is this is not about to become about Nico Collins.
You'll know what I mean as soon as as soon
as I talk about it. A couple of my guys
for you, and there as well, Thomas. I was blown
away that the calculator said that this was blue. So
keep trade cut. You can get Nico Collins, Derrick Henry,
Zay Flowers, and we talked about earlier Za Flowers around

(52:30):
the same value as a couple receivers in there, so
you could put maybe Dk Meck gap. You put a
couple guys right there. Uh So Nico Collins, Dereck Henry,
z Flowers, Trey Benson. So you got four players win
now running back, rookie running back, young receiver, Nico Collins
or Caleb Williams, Roma Dunze. We the four is Nico, Derrick,

(52:56):
Henry Zay Flowers, Trey Benson or Caleb william Roma duns A.
I know. I just had to let that sink in.
I was bapped. I'm like, wait a minute, Caleb Williams
is fetching that with rope, like two guys have never
played together in the same offense in Chicago. Like we're okay.
And then oh, by the way, if you do want
a different quarterback wide receiver, it's not a stack. But

(53:17):
it's the same value. But it's not a stack. It's
only Jalen Hurts and Coleman. Keep trade.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Gosh, so I'm keeping just off of that. I'm keeping
Rome and Caleb. I'm keeping him because if I can
fetch that on the market.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
For them, that the trade them.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Oh, I forgot, there's a trade option trade trade.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Did you give us the three? Did you give us
a three?

Speaker 2 (53:44):
A third?

Speaker 4 (53:45):
One?

Speaker 3 (53:45):
No?

Speaker 1 (53:46):
No, the third is Jalen Hurts Keon Coleman. So, by
the way, and I checked this too, Caleb Williams and
Roma Dune say equals Jalen Hurts and Keon Coleman.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
That's what I was, That's what I got. I'm sorry,
I got so blown away by that that I'm just
was so excited to trade that away, because are you
kidding me? Caleb Williams and Romadunze are worth Keyon Coleman
and Jalen y'all, y'all have lost your minds. You guys
on KTC have lost your minds.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Don't get mad make trades like use that to your advantage,
Like like, what are we what are we doing here?
What are we doing? That's a whole First of all,
this is what I was talking about. This isn't Anico
Collins take anymore? Why is Caleb Williams? Like when you
put names to the players you can acquire for listen,
you can love Caleb Williams. I still have this QB

(54:32):
one based on situation all that. Like in this draft
class as a rookie, I would trade him away so
fast for either of those two packages. I wouldn't hit
except fast enough. I would ask if you wanted me
to throw in an additional first, I'm not joking. Key
On Coleman, Jalen hurts, what are we? What are we?
Five said? What are we talking about? In super flex? Oh?

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Go ahead, Thomas, go ahead, Tomas.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
This is what my brother always says, and I have
to like give him props Michael Smith. He always says,
you can't be beholden to keep trade cut at all times.
And it took it took a while for me to,
like when I first started Dynasty, to realize that. But man,
I tell you, like, if Caleb Williams is going for
what Jalen Hurts is going for, then that is absolutely

(55:24):
criminal that somebody could actually would actually even make that deal.
That is the cut. That is the the that like,
I think all three of us can agree that is
the cut. Right.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Oh yeah, I knew it. I knew it. When I
put it in there, I was like, wait what, I
was curious, it was like And also Roo, I love Rome.
I think he's a great player. But I've talked about this.
He is the third option in year one in a
in a Bears passing offense. That like, listen, the Vegas
line for Caleb Williams touchdowns right now is set at

(55:55):
twenty three and a half, So the like Vegas feels
he's thrown for about twenty four times. If he has
a great year, cut that high up.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
It's just terrible, dude, It's just And on top of that,
we just saw two two straight number one pick quarterbacks
have really rough first second, like Trevor Lawrence. We're still
waiting on the breakout. Yeah yeah, Bryce Young, we don't
know what we got right now. So to say Caleb
Williams is on par with any of those people you

(56:26):
just named is absolute lunis.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
That's It's why I've told people everywhere, hey, if you
have the one on one, go get Mark. Like absolutely,
that should.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Have been at this point no brainer. I really do
think so or I would have gone, I wouldn't have
gone Drake May. I'm just kidding. I would have probably
traded the one on one. I would have traded back
to get Drake May.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Plus yeah, yeah, the whole Listen, if you have a
my guy, if you have a player, you want to
plant your flag. I mean we just found it earlier.
Like we talked about Trey McBride, Dylan and I are
both like, a don't love him. Trey McBride is valued
higher than Dalton kincaid on keep Drake right now, Okay,
if I have trade McBride, I'm going to the Dalton
Kinkate owner and being like, hey, I'm I'm kind of

(57:06):
a Dalton Kinka guy, but I love McBride I'll trade
him to you get me the give me the my
guy plus over someone. The mass is just value. That's
how you use a trade calculator. In my mind, you
don't let it tell you what your team is valued at.
You let it tell you what other people might be
willing to pay for things on your team you don't
want you.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
That's the way.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Did we say that we're cutting? Which one are you
guys cutting?

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Caleb and romadoone say we're not just cutting.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Trading that I'm trading that one because I mean, no,
I'm not. I'm not. I genuinely, Oh, because of the prices,
It's right, I genuinely would much rather trade that away
and get a hall for it than just to cut
that one. The last one I'll I'm keeping. I'm keeping
Jalen Hurts and key on trading way. And then the

(57:53):
last one I'm okay with cutting. If I'm being honest,
I'm okay with cutting that one.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
I think, yeah, sorry, Nico Collins, Derrick, Henry Ze Flowers,
Trey Benson. So the way I see it is like
that's two very good. That's like good receivers. By the way,
that next year, if you start the year with Trey Benson,
Derek Henry. That's a fine running back room in my opinion.
Like Derek Henry, I think it's gonna have a gret

(58:16):
year with touchdowns. Like that's a whole team, Like that's
an all starting lineup. But Jalen hurts keon Coleman in
a vacuum, I'm gonna take it. I can make a
case with Nico and Z.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
And all that you don't have to do. You're gonna
have to do a lot of work for Nico, Z
Derek to get a return that you could get for
Rome and Caleb.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Oh in Dylan, you're probably right. I mean, I think
I think the trade is Caleb and Rome because we're
all trying to be savvy and that's what we're trying
to teach the listeners to do. But yeah's you're absolutely right.
I just to me, in a vacuum, if if I
wasn't trying to play against the other people at the table,
if people just ask me to rank, what's the best

(58:55):
package I'd want on my team, And maybe that's the
way we rephrase this one. I would go Jaalen hurts
keon Coleman. Then I would take those four guys then
I would go Caleb and Roam. To me, Calebin Rome
is the least valuable in my opinion, of all three
of those, not how other people value them. I would
not want my team built around Calebin Room. I'd much
rather have my team built around Nico, Henry, Flowers and Benson.

(59:17):
You know, I'll sell those individual pieces if I want
to change the names or whatever.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
Right, I see. I see the argument for what Dylan
is saying, like as far as use it, using that
value to benefit your team by trading them. But I
think I agree with Josh's point of like with those four,
you're getting not only getting youth, but you're getting like
you're getting maybe like we're talking why receiver ones and

(59:47):
running back ones, and I mean Derek Henrick could be
the running back one fall we know this year. Yeah,
Nico Collins, Nico Collins is just a great piece to have,
and he's gonna he's gonna produce, Well, we just talked
about that. He's gonna produce. CJ. Stroud is gonna get
him the ball. They just paid him the bang. Jay
Flowers is the number one receiver on that team. He

(01:00:10):
might not be the number one target getter, but he's
gonna be the number one receiver and there's nobody else
who has any talent close to him that we know of.
Uh So it's gonna be between Andrews and Za Flowers.
Every single time Lamar drops back is gonna be for
one of those people. And then Trey Benson. Like I'm
a big Trey Benson fan, and that's the everyone in Arizona.

(01:00:30):
Oh my god. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree with that,
and I think that he has such an amazing situation
going into Arizona with Kyler Murray, Like they're gonna have
to respect Kyler Murray's legs. He's gonna get a lot
of like open lanes and they're gonna spread them out.
They're gonna have to look, you know, check. They gota
to double couple Marvin Harrison and then worry about treating Bride.

(01:00:51):
He's gonna have a great future. And James Connor cannot
sustain too much longer in this league because he's already
been beat up since he came into the leage. So
I understand why that package makes sense. But I do understand, like,
if you have an opportunity to trade Caleb Williams and
Roma doonzay, and people are willing to pay those prices. Hell, yeah,

(01:01:11):
that's the trick.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Yeah, I get that, But I still think, even when
you're talking more roster construction. As much as I dislike
Caleb Williams and I do, I don't, I'm not betting
on him being the next coming of Patrick Mahomes by
any stretch of the imagination. Roma doonsay, I love, Roma doonsay.
Their value is going to be so insulated they get
a pass this year, they could go out there and

(01:01:33):
what the bed they're gonna be, They're gonna be just
fine value.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
That's a good point, Dylan, So I'm going to hold
onto that again.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Yeah, and the upside just all off season long, you've
talked about how the offense around Caleb Williams, DJ Moore,
Keenan Allen, Roma Doonsay, I mean, don't forget Gerald Everett.
I mean, come on, DeAndre Swift. They loaded that offense.
So the insulated value mixed with the potential upside that

(01:02:01):
I would be foolish to say that there's no absolutely
zero chance that Caleb Williams could be successful, even if
he goes out there and gives you Derek Carr early
on in his career numbers, you're gonna be like, Okay,
I can get down with that. If he's feeding Roma
Dunze is his number one wide receiver. I just think
the insulated value is what I would want to keep.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
You know, I am so stoked. I put this in
here because is hear you defend Caleb for the first
time and literally, ca, you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
Don't like Cale me to I don't think I noticed.
No you don't like Caleb.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
No, no, we've become an anti Caleb show.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
You both don't like Caleb.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
We respect that, we respect him. It's it's the zesty.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Drake May has been my QB one in this class.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
If if ESPN was looking for the person that's like, oh,
some people don't like him because he paints his fingernails,
it's me like, I'm the guy like I will like
like no, like in a locker room, I'm like, yeah,
it bothers me. He's a freaking weird dude. And it
seems like he's acting like he's already done it and
he does like I want a gritty football player. I
want like I want Keon Coleman's attitude. I don't want

(01:03:10):
Caleb Williams's attitude. It just rubbed me the wrong way.
Will I put him as QB one of the class?

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Will I not like it? Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
Like absolutely, So this has what to do with his
personality and he makes but as opposed to the football.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
No, no, No, that's part of it. But what I'm
saying is I've seen it one too many times there.
I don't know Caleb's hard, you know, work ethic, Like,
we don't really see what goes on behind the scenes.
It does seem the way his father was marketing him.
I mean, you guys remember the ball U. You know,

(01:03:48):
everyone was like, these guys are gonna work out. Look
at the you know, everyone just made the case before
it had to happen. Chicago has literally never been able
to make a quarterback. There's a lot of red flags
to the situation. For a number one overall pick is unbelievable.
That's why you have to still rank him as the
quarterback one. And yes, he was an incredible college quarterback.
You have to give him his flowers and respect what
he's already done. That being said, there's enough weird red

(01:04:11):
flags for it not to work out. In Trevor Lawrence's case,
in his first year. It was the urban Meyer was
the weird distraction. Negative blah blah blah. Bryce Young. You
could make an argument it's David Temper for Caleb Williams.
It's it's Caleb Williams like he is the distraction.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Caleb Williams was a good He was a good player
in college, but he was not a winner.

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
We noticed. Do we notice Chicago offensive coordinator and coaching
staff weren't part of the reason. Just the fields didn't
failure that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
I'm pretty sure about that. On top of that, the
guy they brought in to be the offensive coordinator in
Chicago came from the Seahawks and JSN didn't like him.
He did not have a great, high flying looking offense.
Seahawks looked horrible on offense last year.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Yeah, well, Shane, it's Shane Waldron's I think Shane Waldris
wants to run the ball more so, correct.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
Okay, okay, so you get you pay for all these
receivers if you want to run the ball. I don't
know if that's the case. I think Caleb Williams has
I think Caleb Williams has probably the best first of all,
he has the best runway. We can agree on that
it's the best runway of any first overall pick that
we've seen in Faber. You've go down the list of

(01:05:21):
Hall of Famous who are first overall picks who had
way worse situations coming into so coming into into the
rookie season. So I think that Caleb Williams, first of all,
he's very talented, but I think that they're going to
want to you know, Eva Flus wants to keep his

(01:05:42):
job right, so he's going to put as much on
the shoulders of his best players as he possibly can.

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
And his best players are his freaking you know, his
freaking his running back he's just paid for to be
a joker receivers that he just bought out he wants
to play.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
You're newer to the show, and you're new to Dynasty.
What you just did was one of the grand assumptions
and mistakes all the Dynasty players make. We assume that
coaches are logical and that these are logical situations, and
that's that's his target.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
So here's what's here's what I'll say from a prospect
standpoint with Caleb Williams. And this is just me going
we are but I want to say this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Is about Nico Collins.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
Guys, you Williams.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
I did Caleb Williams as a prospect. He was incredible
in college. We we can't disagree with what he did,
but his playing style I do not have confidence in it.
Translating to the NFL. This dropped back and spend two
seconds in the pocket, freak out, rollout and then makes
them crazy. That's not going to happen. Patrick Mahomes does
it all the time. It makes it look easy, but

(01:06:51):
that's Patrick Mahomes. There's a reason why he's won the
Super Bowls, that he's won, the MVPs, that he's won
so early on in his career. I don't know that
Caleb Williams is that he does not. He has not
shown me that he can be a process quarterback who
can look through his reads, make the accurate throws, and
stay in the pocket. He's not the athlete that Justin
Fields was in Chicago, and their offensive line looks the

(01:07:13):
exact same to me. They didn't do anything line, so
he's not He's not half the athlete that Justin sorry,
Justin Fields was. I'm worried about his poisoned pocket and
his ability to sit there and actually be a quarterback.
He's not going to be able to make those wild
throws that he was making at US and its against
pack twelve offenses.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Dylan's point. Homes also sat for years at Texas Tech though,
like it's not like you can make that argument about.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Like don't get on my Red Raiders now, but that, but.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
He said, yeah, Williams has to win. This is like
the I brought I think I brought this up before.
This is like the game stop situation in terms of
sock where it's going, Like if one thing starts to
go the way, people don't expect, it's a domino and
all of it falls the other way because expectation and

(01:08:09):
height on kids Mahomes Pastrick Mahomes had Mahomes did.

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
Patrick Mahomes because that is a high bar that you
give it right now, the play style bar.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
But it's the play style comp and so what we
see Mahomes model in the NFL is not an apples
to apples comparison. For the one on one overall pick
who has to come in compete and win for a
franchise right away, does not have any fall guy, does
not have someone he can learn to read defenses behind
when he can be risky when he can, you know,
like ad Lib, and doesn't have the best offensive minded

(01:08:47):
head coach maybe of the last thirty years in Indy Reid.
It's just not the situation isn't completely the same. That
being said, Caleb Williams is still my quarterback one of
this class. He's still incredibly valuable. I'm simply pointing out
if you can get Jalen Hurs and Keon Coleman in
my opinion. Oh yeah, it's a no.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
I think we all agree on that. I think we
all guys.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
It's been to talk. Yeah, it's been a blast to
talk values with you, Thomas. It's great to have you back,
uh and to be having you moving forward. This will
do it for this episode of Dynasty Change. We'll be
back again next week. Uh freeze it not a crowd
and we're excited that. Uh it's gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
Be a trio from here on it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Oh yeah, okay,

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