My Guys

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I mustee.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I think that going into year two of a show,
that you would you'd begin to see yourself as a veteran.
You would believe that you learned a few tricks of
the trade and that you wouldn't make some obvious rookie mistakes. Dylan,
you've been on this journey since the start, Thomas, you know,
we're so stoked to have you here coming into season two, Guys,

(00:30):
in this journey of attempting to grow our community, really
become an online presence. I was wondering, you know, this
is my first public apology. I was wondering, do I
go with the ukulele and do the weird song or
do I just kind of set up a camera and
then start crying. Because I owe every Vikings fan a
massive apology because one week ago today I came on,

(00:53):
I knocked on Wood and I said, we've had no
major devastating injuries to any any player in the preseason
so far, and we knew I knew they were coming.
I knew they were coming. But in that same episode,
you both said, I think Sam Darnold is starting the year.
I said, guys, week six, no problem, JJ McCarthy. I
did what every fantasy football obsessed player should never do,

(01:17):
which is make a promise you can't deliver on JJ
McCarthy out for the year doing I just want to
know from you how much of it is my fault
and how much of it is like this was always
meant to happen, because Vikings have just been a factory
of sadness their entire existence.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Bro, I'm honestly surprised that this is your first public apology.
I feel like you should have come on here and
started off last or this offseason with an apology for
Justin Field. You are over here touting his praises, saying
draft him top seven. If I'm in the top seven
of any dynasty start, I'm taking justin Field. So I
think you should do a little bit more of this
apology tour and maybe take some notes getting back to

(01:53):
actual fantasy analysis, though, I think, listen the Vikings. The
Vikings have just been through the ringer when it comes
to just unfortunate circumstances in the offseason going into this season.
And I mean JJ McCarthy is just kind of the
nail in the coffin for like just momentum that they
had as a fan base, and I feel for them.

(02:13):
I feel for them. Now, we're Cowboys fans, so we
understand what it's like to be tormented. We don't even
have the best player on our team signed to our
roster yet to where he wants to play for us.
We can't even give him an extension. I mean, you
name it, you name it, CD dak Micah, I mean,
we're we're doing. We're in Doomsville along with the Vikings fans.
But I mean no, in all seriousness, like it's a

(02:36):
bummer for JJ McCarthy and even we were talking about
it and joking before the show. I'm not going to
take credit for an injury. I do think that he
would have sat the whole season anyway, so this is
kind of a blessing in disguise.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
I'd like to think.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
It gives them time to with the excuse of an
injury and not anyone questioning his competency to sit out
an entire season and actually just learn the game. So
it's a meniscus tear. It's not like you can rupting
the knee, so it's nothing devastating. So I think he'll
be he'll be fine coming back. But I think this
is the best case scenario for him unfortunate. Definitely don't
wish injury upon anyone, but I do think it'll be

(03:09):
good in the long run.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
I just think it's funny because we ended the show,
and I think I don't know if we ended the show,
if it was right before we went to commercial where
Dylan you were like, it's going to be like twelve
hours from now, we're going to get news. And literally
I woke up next morning and like I was eating
breakfast and I was like, uh oh, this did not
this is the fantasy Reaper. Maybe maybe Thomas, you know,
expectations Dylan kind of spoke to this takes the expectations

(03:34):
off of J. J. McCarthy in year one. Obviously he's
not even to be on the field, so maybe that's
a blessing in disguise. What expectations do you have for
the rest of the Vikings offense as a whole? Obviously
there's a lot of Justin Jefferson owners out there that
want to know is hes still going to be good
for a title title push with Sam Darnold.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, I think I think Justin Jefferson is quarterback proof.
I think he's just too talented to be held down
by anybody's poor play or whatever. I mean, like I
think it's I think I think it's gonna be kind
of a little bit. I would say, an above average
game from Nick Mullins, you'll get from Sam Darnald weekend
and week out. Uh, So basically what you saw at

(04:12):
the end of the season, you're gonna see a lot
of that from Sam Donald. I think stat wise and
UH and fantasy wise, I don't think it brings down
Aaron Jones's uh fantasy value because I think they're gonna
use him consistently because they're gonna need him, because they
any reinforcements at this point. I mean TJ. Hockins is

(04:34):
not gonna be playing.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
But I think the best news this is the best
case scenario, I mean injury with standing, like for JJ McCarthy,
because we know that when you draft a rookie quarterback,
at some point, if the starter throws interception, everybody, everybody
in the city and state is asking for the backup

(04:58):
to be put in. Put in the rookie, I did
him play, Let's see what he got. Blah blah blah blah.
You don't have to deal with that this year. Nobody
can say go to the backup, because Nick Mullins is
the backup and you don't want that headache. So I mean,
I think it's best best thing for Jajon McCarthy because
it's gonna it's gonna build his confidence. He's just gonna
be able to sit watch learn and Kevin O'Connell have

(05:18):
him ready to go next year and he'll be starting
Game one.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah, I think he touched on something, sorry real quick,
on Justin Jefferson.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
That's important.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
There's a lot of people down on Justin Jefferson and
he's slipping in drafts. I mean, he's the he's a talent,
like you don't pass up on the talent. And I
don't think he's gonna be hindered too much by Sam
Donald or Nick Mollins. He's already done it with Nick Mullens.
So if Sam Donald comes out and craps the bed,
you know that Nick Mollens is there and we've seen
him do it with Nick Mullens. So I'm not really

(05:46):
worried personally about Justin Jefferson. And so I'm still taking
him as really behind probably Tyree in redraft, behind Tyreek,
Bijon CMC and breeze and that's probably it.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
So you CD, if CD, let's ce CD is back.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
I mean right now CD, I just CD and Chase
worry me because they're not involved in the offseason workout,
Like I just imagine them getting off to a slow start,
and so it's just not something I want to bet
on with the top five re draft pick.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
That's fair.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, it's those are We're in that time of year. Boys,
We're in that time of year and just before we
move off the Vikings. As a dynasty player, it's interesting
to try to put yourself in the mindset of the
g Are you Are you happy as the GM of
the Vikings, because now you have a year to be like, hey,
can we just tank this season? Like can we just
get the roster ready for JJ to be healthy in

(06:40):
year two? Like you, I don't think you can do
that completely in the NFL, I really don't. I think
you have to kind of productive struggle at the very least,
like you have to see what the team has. But
come the trade deadline, man, I'm selling every veteran or
you know.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
They're gonna be They're gonna be good. I'm not worried
about the Vikings I think Kevin o'connells a good enough coach,
and they have a good enough defense too. They're gonna
be fine.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yep. Well, and justin Jefferson, a lot are going to
be locked up. They will be back next to no
matter what. They can go on six seventeen. Yeah fine,
And you guys, you.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Guys both know where I stand on quarterbacks. Waiting a
season and then getting a chance to start. We've seen
it time and time again be a recipe for success.
And so if your dynasty owner hang on to JJ
McCarthy at no point, do not do not make the
crucial mistake of waiting the full season getting bored of
just holding this asset. Don't don't hold him for half
the time and then sell him before it's time to

(07:29):
take him out to see.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
I mean, if you drafted JJ McCarthy, you shouldn't necessarily
need him.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
I'm telling you, six months from now, he's old news
and it gets boring. Patience truly is a virtue. And
there's a lot of people. I mean, people waited for
Jordan Love for three years and I was able to
get him off of rosters, you know, right.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Before people waits.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, you know, Darkness Street things like that, Like Wells,
when I traded for Jordan.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Love, Josh, would you say this is a bilot window
right now?

Speaker 2 (07:59):
No, not yet. I'm like week four, week five of
the regular season. If there's teams that have JJ McCarthy
that are trying to compete, that's the bylow and that's
where a team like I'm tanking in League of Record,
right I am a vulture right now. If there's a
team that has a JJ McCarthy, that's a player I
will spend up for during the regular season and give
them something. Oh, you know, you need a receiver, you

(08:21):
need something to go compete. I'm out, Like, that's the
advantage of tanking in your first year is you get
to kind of pick and choose the team knowing you're
just a year away. And so that's that's the part
where I'm like envious and the vikings GM I'm like,
hey man, you bought yourself another year as well. As
long as you manage this well, it looks good. Moving
on to other news, Listen, we gotta we gotta have
some juice coming into our second segment, because this is

(08:43):
the My Guys episode We're gonna be going into the
players we believe we're planting our flag on to have
career years, excellent years to help you win in redraft,
win in your dynasty league. It could be based on price,
it could be based on utility. Heck, it could be
a player forming at their floor. But it's just that
floor is going to be so high, it's going to
be so good, So I gotta save plenty of time

(09:04):
for that. But we want to hit kind of the
major preseason news because other than JJ McCarthy, nothing too
crazy injury wise. I want to say nothing immediately actionable,
so I'll just kind of roll through. Jaden Daniels named
the starter in Washington. Great news, but not unexpected. I
think we all kind of perceived this right.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, but by Terry, I mean go by Terry McLaurin.
I think he's still being undervalued. So if you can
and dynasty, go by him. And if in redraft, he's
probably going I don't know his exact ADPI match and
probably like seventh, sixth or seventh round for.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Thirty thirty one on most formats, including best ball, I
think sleeper he's wide receiver thirty two, so you know
he's going to outperform that like, yeah, it's gonna be wild.
He was almost a my guy for you, right, he
was one of the candidates.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
You were considering he was he was Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
So definitely a by Terry McLaurin, Jade McDaniel's we expect
big things from his rookie year. Gardner Minshew, I think
we should stay here a little bit. Gardner Minshew named
the starter over Aid O'Connell. The Raiders as a whole,
there's some interesting names for fantasy. Davante Adams is still
a dude, is still one of the best receivers in
the league, one of the best separators. But what do

(10:12):
we really expect from a Gardner Minshew let offense defense
first Raiders this season? Thomas, Is there any hope that Davonte,
Zamir White, any of those guys are gonna be fantasy
relevant or are the Raiders gonna be kind of a
you know, avoid at all costs for you going into
twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
I think the Raiders are a great offense to target
late in your drafts because you're gonna get some You're
gonna get probably a I want to say high end
wide receiver. Two ceiling for Davante Adams, Gardner, Minshew Man.
He knows who, he knows who to go to. He
knows who he's gonna throw it to the guy, and

(10:52):
that's Davante Adams and Antonio Pearce wants to run the ball,
so he's gonna give it to Zamir White. These guys
are not going high in drafts. So if you're in
redraft and you're thinking, oh, man, I need some you know,
a number one running back or I go zero RB,
you go zero RB and you need a number one back,

(11:12):
you can wait and not to spoil the my guys list,
but za Mere White is on it for me because
his ADP right now is sixty seven, which is like
mid fifth rounder. So if you getting a guy who's
getting all of that volume and probably getting touchdown equity
on top of it in the fifth round and that
let that be your RB one, then that's to me,

(11:34):
that's a win because you can load up on receivers,
maybe quarterbacks, whatever, tight end, whatever you want up to
that point. I think Devantae Adams for Dynasty is getting dicey,
is getting to the point where you maybe want to
get off of him a year early instead of waiting
a year late when his skills are going to decline,
which they will soon. I mean he's early thirties at

(11:54):
this point. But I think Garner minshew is. I mean,
he's the bottom of the barrel for quarterbacks. I think
he had had a decent season. Last year.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
He supported a wide receiver one. Last year he.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Did he supported wide receiver one, but that was a
different offense too. I think with Peers they are going
to and I got a quote from Antonio Pierci he
wants two focuses, running the ball and stopping to run.
You're gonna see some ugly, ugly games Sole Gardner minsheould
be the last possible choice for your quarterback. But you

(12:29):
can buy some of those Raiders players at cost or
a little bit later because they'll probably dropping the draft.
And you got maybe a wide receiver two and running
back two. Man, I.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
You know, we we can kind of stay there for
just a second. Since you did. You did spoil my guy.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
It's fine.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
I love it. I'm excited for it. But the Raiders
very rarely in fantasy do I pay attention to defensive signings.
But getting Christian Wilkins to go with Max Crosby and
how defense played under ap towards the end of the season.
It's hard to remember. The Raiders I think won a
game like what three to nothing or something like that. Yep,
Like they're gonna be freaking gritty, dude, they're gonna be good.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Underrated, you absolutely right, most underrated defense in the National Football.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
League, And so it feels like the run game. I'll
buy into that because it says clock management, it says
a lot of volume. I think for Davante he's still
priced as a high end wide receiver too. He's wide
receiver fifteen in some formats and Yahoo I think he's
wide receiver fourteen. It's like he's not on any of
my redraft teams unless everyone's wise and lets him fall
to like fourth fifth round. Because give me Cooper Cup,

(13:38):
give me DK Metcalf, give me tanked Out, give me
so many. Give me George Pickens over Davonte Adams this
season easily, easily.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
That's spicy.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
I'm still taking Tay in the proset over I get.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Let me be clear, in real life, Davanta Adams is
still a much better receiver. He's still a top ten receiver.
The problem is you have Gardner Minshew and you have
an you have probably one of the best defenses in
the league, and.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
The Steelers aren't too far off from an offense and
are from a defensive standpoint, like when.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
The Steelers are a good defense but they're not, They're
not what the Raiders are going to be. I'm sorry,
They're just not gonna be. And also Luke Getsy's that
the reason ultimately, Dylan and you mentioned at the top
of the show, I hope people an apology for Justin Fields.
I didn't count on Luke Getzy being a terrible and
ruined Justin Fields's fantasy value and he's the offensive coordinator
with the Raiders, so I'm not I'm not excited for

(14:28):
that one. But Samir why is someone I'm paying more
attention to Thomas, So I'm excited to maybe hear more
on the other end of the break, Dylan, any final
thoughts on preseason takeaways from week two? You know what,
I also remember before we move on, I totally forget
that there's only three preseason games now like every year,
I'm like, oh, there's supposed to be four, but this
was end of Week two. There's a lot of you know,

(14:50):
we could nitpick several storylines, but the reality is we
want to get to my guys because these are the
things we can plant our flag on. Whereas at least
for me and correct me if I'm wrong, Dylan. Week
two was a lot more of preseason. Hey, I'm gonna
keep paying attention. I have a lot of questions that
still need answering at this particular point.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah, definitely. I mean it's tricky because you know, there's
so much inconsistency across the league of who starts their
starters for how long and you know, all of that jazz.
So you've got to pay attention to those things and
take them for what they are. But I mean you've
got to take what you're getting out of camp based
off of what you see in the preseason and see
how much they align, because you know, there's a lot

(15:28):
of just stuff that doesn't line up when you come
to when it comes to the coaches and what they're
saying coach speak. But one thing I'll say about the
Raiders offense, I do think they'll run the ball more.
I think Zamir White will be featured back. I mean,
he's big enough to handle the load. And then Davante

(15:48):
Adams I don't know about Davante Adams. I know that
if you said it perfect Thomas in Dynasty, I'm trying
to move off of them because I don't want to
be holding it. I'd rather be a year early than
a year late, because if he doesn't show up this
season going into age thirty two season next year, I
don't know about that. I don't know that I want

(16:09):
to be holding that. And then in redraft, he's I've
seen him as high as like top ten asset, like
you're having to take him in the first round. There's
no shot. I'm taking DeVante Adams with Gardner Minshew in
the first round. Who, I'll tell you is a value
on that team and I'm getting because I think he's
a sneaky one thousand yard wide receiver this year is
Jacoby Myers. I mean, he'd never gone over one thousand

(16:29):
in his career. I understand that, but he has progressively
gotten better and I think he's an actually much better
wide receiver than people give him credit for. And they're
gonna the offense or defenses are gonna target Dvanta Adams
and they're gonna blank at him. Jacoby Myers is a
good enough wide receiver to get it done. So I
would rather have Jacoby Myers at a price, are at
value than I would take Devanta Adams in the first round.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
No chance, well set, yeah, first or second turn. I
completely agree with you. Before we move on, I want
to ask you guys this question. If Davante Adams goes
to the Jets mid season, what does that do with
your fantasy outlook for Garrett Wilson, Breese Hall, the Jets offense?
Is DeVante serviceable there?

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Davante's not. I think it's better for Garrett Wilson than
it is Davante personally. Really, you think it helps Garret
Wilson Mm hmm, Yeah, I mean because right now Garrett
Wilson is the offense other than Breese, but like the
passing offense runs through Garrett Wilson.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
You're not wrong, You're not wrong. Thomas any thoughts.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
On Yeah, I agree with Dylan on that because, like
that's another situation where that's a defense that they want
to run the ball and play defense. They don't want
to put a lot on Aaron Rodgers play and Aaron
Rodgers doesn't throw at a high level like he never did,
like he was always like spend a lot of time
at the line, like they run a lot of they

(17:47):
don't run a lot of efficiency wise. No, I mean, like,
so you want so if you have the two alpha receivers, right,
and you got a running back like Breese Hall, you
want to have a lot of plays. That way you
can distribute them to all three. Aaron Rodgers doesn't run
a lot of plays. He's gonna wait till like one

(18:08):
second to snap the ball, So they're not gonna have
a lot of completions to go around to all of
these people to to you know, represent the value that
you're paying for them. But if it's if I'm picking
out of those three, I want Garrett Wilson because bress
Hall most of his stats came late in the season. Yeah,

(18:30):
that one huge game, And I don't know if that
offense is not going to be different every single week,
Like you might see a lot of Brailen Allen. I
think you might see a lot of like Tyler Conklin
then you actually thought you might. I think if DeVante
Adams goes there, then he drops to wide receiver three

(18:54):
and Garrett Wilson takes a hit two, I think he
might end up just being like a wide receiver two.
When it's all said in done, if that was the case.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah, I think it helps the Jets in terms of
options and the ability to win games different ways. I
think it makes the every fantasy situation nightmarish, especially for
Garrett Wilson owners and DeVante Adams owners. It's the it's
the beginning of the end. So just something to pay
attention to. I think that'll be a narrative that's pushed
if the Raiders start slow and the Jets start hot.
Just something to pay attention to. Speaking of starting hot,

(19:22):
we have this is I mean, guys, this next segment,
buckle up because all season if we're wrong about our
my guys, I'm letting y' all know it. So we'll
be right back with hopefully six, well nine players total
that are going to be surefire hits this season eight
and a half. I'm ocome back in Thomas. You know

(19:45):
you got really excited we were talking about the Raiders
and you couldn't help it. Okay, I think we've all
been there when we get a little excited. Yeah, just
I don't I don't happens, you know what happen anyway?
Moving on, moving on, you want to establish the ground

(20:06):
game here Zamir White. It has already been my guy,
We already kind of published it. What made you go
from hey, I like him for this season too, specifically
for Dynasty. Maybe you can speak to the Dynasty outlook
of a player like Zamir White. Why is he a
my guy for you this year?

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Why are you.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Willing to plant your flag on this Raiders running back?

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Three words, volume, volume, volume. They want to run the
ball man, Antonio Piers Yeah, was adding, they want to
run the ball, and Antonio Pierce is like the old
like the epitome of an old school coach man. He
just wants to play defense, running the ball, win game

(20:50):
seventeen to thirteen. That's it, that's it. Bottom line. He
doesn't want and he also will not want the ball
in Gardner Minshew's hand when it comes time for the game,
when the game is on the line. He wants to
be able to pound the rock, run the rock right.
I right. Got a couple of quotes from Antonio Peers
about Zamir White. He looked right, He's built right. Zeus

(21:15):
is a very powerful human being. Get him in there,
get him going. Two focuses running the ball, and stopping
the run. This guy wants to run a back. He
showed it last year. Like we have a small sample size, right,
But I don't understand why people are like so quick
to say, oh, we you know, we don't haven't seen
Zeus do it well. He averaged four point three yards

(21:37):
per carry last year, had two one hundred yard games,
one was against the Chiefs. He touched the ball on
fifty two point seven percent of the snaps. Fifty two
point seven percent of the snaps. Is Alexander Madison or
six round rookie Dylan Louby gonna be taking that many
snaps away from Zeus? I don't well, oh, you can

(21:58):
bet on Alexander Madison football, baby.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
I like doing. I want to pause real quick. Antonio
Pierce calls that was a quote from Antonio Pierce to start,
and then you kind of got into your take. Zamir
White is named Zeus on the team that.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
You've never heard that goes back to college.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
I had. I am so much more interested in him
as a player now because that just says, did that
dude in college?

Speaker 1 (22:24):
I'm in the bandwagon? Is open? Dog?

Speaker 3 (22:26):
I got Zamir.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
I don't know now, Zeus I.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Mean, I mean, you take a man from Zamir to Zeus.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
I'm by man's arms. Have you seen him?

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Have you seen it? Is?

Speaker 1 (22:38):
He can live? I promise you. He runs a four
to four flat man like the biggest thing. Like people
don't realize this, but I mean, going back to college
Samir White, he tore both his A c ls and
back to back years on separate knees. That was tough.
That was tough. But Zamir was a huge prospect. He

(22:59):
ended up sharing in the load and ended up dropping
to the fourth round. I think a lot of it
had to do with his injury history. He's going in
the fifth round. If you can't get a great back
in the first I believe, I personally believe if you
draft him running backs and you can't get one of
the top four or five, then you need to wait.

(23:21):
And if you're waiting on running backs, why not get
somebody you know is gonna get two hundred to three
hundred carries. Who is going to get goal line work,
Who is going to be on the offense that focuses
on running the ball? Who had last year had one
hundred and fourteen yards per game. I don't see any
reason why not to bet on somebody like that. He had.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
He had one hundred and fourteen yards per game in
the in the weeks he was a start total yards.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Okay, okay, all four games yep.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, send out trades for sir White.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
No, I was gonna to say. I mean, it's no
secret that Zamir White is a good running back. I
mean he was whenever there was some speculation. Remember when
Josh Jacobs played in the the the what's the game
in the first the first game of the preseason? Why
am I drawing a blank?

Speaker 1 (24:15):
First? What is it called?

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Thank you goodness gracious? The Hall of Fame game? Everyone's like, oh,
is it getting bitched or whatever? There was some Zamir
White hype around then. I believe Zamir White is a
good running back. It's just a matter of I mean,
with those a cl injuries. I know it didn't affect
Nick Chubb, but like, do you start to see, like
with someone getting that much work And they went and
signed Alexander Madison. Now, I'm not worried about Alexander Madison,

(24:40):
but I'm just worried about the durability of Zamir White.
And being able to withstand that much work as much
as they want to run the ball. Like we're talking about,
like do you do you have any concerns about injury
for Zamir White or not?

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Really? Yeah, but I think the risk is worth the reward.
I mean it's a fifth round pick. You spend the
fifth round pick.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
On this guy, right, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Yeah, And and like I mean his competen tition is
I mean it's subpart to be honest, Like I mean,
if yeah, that's that's you know, that's that's say is
getting a lot of hype. But Dylan Lobby profiles is
a receiving back, and we know Simre White isn't the
best receiving back. So if you could get a guy
that you could plug into your running back one spot

(25:19):
that you can you know, count on for a two
hundred and fifty to three hundred carries and maybe eight
nine touchdowns, that is a win. And that's how you
win leagues because you get people like that in the
fifth round. And I mean if he drops to the
sixth or seventh round, I mean, you got good Lord,
that's just that's just the perfect scenario for you in

(25:40):
your draft. If you go zero RB.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I think I'm still
not fully in on Zimir White. There's in a few reasons,
just the offensive line hasn't it hasn't historically been great,
and you have a offense that may not be able
to pass the ball, which is why they're going to
run the ball. So what says defenses can't just load
the box and force them to pass the ball. You know.
So those are the things that I'm worried about of Like, Okay,

(26:04):
let's see the efficiency from Zeus and then I'll buy in,
which may be too late, sure, but I mean you're right.
If he's like six seventh round, of course I'm gonna
grab him. He's the starting running back for an offense.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
I want.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
If I can get a starting running back for any
offense in the sixth or seventh round, give.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
It to me.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
But like fourth, fifth, I'm still playing with other other
running backs at that point, right, DeAndre Swift over him.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
And I'm not saying he's a world beater. I'm not
saying that. I like, I know that there's a ceiling
for zoos, but I'm saying that for the price, I
want all the shares of zeus I can have at
that price, he's.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
You know what it is, He's Costco pizza. It's like,
is it great pizza? It's like, yeah, I'll eat it.
But it's like, wait, ten bucks for a whole pizza?
Are you kidding me? Temp for this?

Speaker 1 (26:46):
It's like it's cheaper, right, dude.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
I just got done shopping. I built my entire fantasy roster.
I spent all this time on my Dynasty roster, and
I'm worried about Jamiir Gibbs right like I got the
hamstring poll. You know I'm gonna go do I just
put this in Keep Trade Cut. Let's say this is
your year for your Dynasty roster. Go grab Jerry Judy
in a twenty five mid third and go plug that
into Keep Trade Cut. You'll get the blue signal. Looks
like it's favoring you a little bit. Go get some

(27:11):
mere White. You're overpaying for z Mere White a little bit.
That is RB one upside, because are we gonna be
surprised if you finishes? Is RB thirteen RB fourteen just
based on what you're saying, Like I believe it on
the volume one hundred percent. And what do we always
say with fantasy. It's talent multiplied by volume or opportunity.
Talent multiplied by opportunity. The opportunity is going to be there.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah, and his name is Zeus.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
What are we doing this? This is a lock? I'm sold.
I have no just based on price. I don't have
a whole lot of warnings. I think I think any
warning I would give is already baked into the price.
We haven't seen it, do it. He's a little bit
older of a running back, but they moved on from
Josh Jacobs willingly to give this guy a shot. I
don't think anyone is saying top five running back up,

(27:54):
you know, upside it's really just injury or if he
loses opportunity. I do like Dylan Labbe, but I like
him because there's no one there. Alexander Madison is garbage,
not a human, just as a player, you know, Speaker's identity.
So I like del lobby unlimited touches. He's kind of
an interesting rookie. But yeah, it's Zeus's world and we're
just living in Dylan. I want to move to you.

(28:16):
Who is your first?

Speaker 1 (28:17):
My guy?

Speaker 2 (28:18):
I look forward to arguing you with you about this.
This is gonna be fun.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Of course, you love to argue with me about everything.
It gives me more confidence in my take. Actually, that
being said, I'm going to the quarterback room for my
first official my guy, and I'm willingly planting my flag
on this guy. I want you guys to know that,
those of you listening, I'm willingly planting my flag on
this guy. Concussion and all, it does not matter. Give

(28:41):
me some Tua tongue of b looa at any cost necessary.
I mean, this guy is so undervalued and we're still
baking in the concussion discount. I just I don't understand.
Why are we still doing the whole concussion discount and
we can't give Tua the respect that he deserves. Tua
deserves some respect, put some respect on his name.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Is that what he was? My guy?

Speaker 3 (29:06):
I wanted to plug in there absolutely, of course, what
do you mean, who do you think this is over here?
Of course I wanted to plug the hawk to it. No,
I mean in seriousness, I mean, let's let's look at
some of the quarterbacks that are going around to it.
You've got Brock Pardy. These are guys ahead of him,
Brock Perry, Trevor Lawrence, I mean, Kyler Murray probably deserves
to be there. Justin Herbert's all the way up at

(29:28):
QB eleven. Are you taking Justin Herbert? Are you taking
to it? Talking about low in dynasty, let's call it redraft.
Let's call it redraft.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Right now, redraft. I'd probably go to A.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
Yeah, in dynasty, you're taking you're taking Herbert one thousand.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
I mean if you gave if you gave Tyreek kill
to Justin Herbert, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
I mean sure, if you give Tyrek kill to anyone,
correct Thomas, you're taking in redraft? Are you taking TOA
or Herbert? Okay, I mean I'm taking to over brock Party,
Trevor Lawrence, and Justin Herbert. For me, that moves him
all the way up to a QB one, QB twelve, which,
by the way, last season, in his first healthy season,
he finished as QB nine. Despite all of the concerns about, oh,

(30:11):
he's gonna get hit, Oh he's gonna get sacked, and
he's gonna get injured. Everyone's worried about his injured. You
know what he did in the off season last season
jiu jitsu, and you know what that did that led
to him being in the top five of protecting himself
in the league. He was in their offense was in
the top five of not getting him sacked last season.
They answered the call, I'm not even concerned about it.
Even if he does get sacked. He learned how to

(30:32):
judo roll out of there and I'm not worried about it.
So give me all the hawk tua that I can get.
And I just think that people are sleeping on him
because of the injury concerns, because of where he or
who he was with Brian Flores. I think that's still
there's still some lingering around of that. Ryan Fitzpatrick and
two people got to understand that wasn't a too a problem.
That was a Brian Floraes problem. Now that Mike Andy

(30:54):
Daniel's there, you've seen the offense of what it's capable of.
Why would you not take the quarterback one in that
offense who just signed a four year extension or as
early as early as you would take a Rock Party
rock Perty doesn't even have that guarantee. And based off
of how he looked this past weekend, are you really
going to buy into Rock Party over to a tongue bow.
I'm not saying it's the end of rock party. I'm
just saying we've seen to a do it. He was

(31:15):
QUB fifteen in the year that he had the concussions,
and that was in thirteen games. So I just don't
understand what the negativity around to a tongue of be
low is. And I know, Josh, you.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Just hate some toua.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
So I'd love to hear why it is that you
hate to a tongue of I low.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
So I'll start with the logical reason.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
One.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Through the first eight weeks of last season, Two was
the quarterback five. I believe he was the quarterback twenty
plus with the back eight of the last couple games
of the year. Number two. I think the Dolphins have
an unbelievable running game and I think they only added
to it with Jalen Wright. I think to him may
lose his opportunity. It's not a yardage issue. Two is
not a scrambling quarterback, So you're gonna have to count

(31:51):
on a pocket passer to score a lot of touchdowns
when you overheem most are scoring twenty touchdowns on the
ground last year. Even if he doesn't score twenty, maybe
he scores ten this year. Will give fifteen to Devon
a Chan and give five to Jalen Wright. I think
that this is such a dual threat team. I just
don't see the upside with the legs. That being said,
based on price, it's in any format. I mean, he's

(32:12):
the QB fifteen in Keith J. Cutt right now, he's
got a long term deal, he's got one of the
best wide receiving course, if not the best wide receiving
course in the game. He's surrounded by weapons. I love
the price, Dylan, I really do. I love the price
now him as a player, emotionally what he did to
my boy, Jalen Hurts, I just don't you know what
it is.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
It's like it's like he's like carrying a fence for
someone else.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
You know, you know, you know who Tua is. Dylan
Tua is the main is the like the love interest
in a Hallmark movie who's actually the villain, you know
what I mean. He's like, I'm hometown, I'm a super
nice guy, but I'm gonna take something someone else worked
really hard for and is logical and reasonable, like Jalen
Hurts is. I've always Jalen Hurts fan, and so I

(32:55):
watched him at Alabama his freshman season, and I was like,
this dude is unbelievable. Jalen hurts like I'm root for
this guy. And then two it comes in, throws one
pass to beat Georgia because they blewe coverage. When a
national championship, he gets the starting job the next year.
I just I've always felt like he's had he's had
such an easy path to success, and Jalen has had

(33:16):
the opposite, And so I'm just whoa, whoa.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
You're telling me that his beginning in the NFL was
a very easy path.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yes, yes, he was given such a long leash. Bro
They brought in Fitzpatrick to mentor him. He didn't have
to start right away. They started him, took it off,
started and took it off.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
You just talked about No, you just talked about JJ McCarthy,
how you value quarterbacks getting time to sit. Now, imagine
JJ McCarthy starting and then getting Donald Donald in and
then we're going to get somehow and then getting JJ
back in and then Donald getting back.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
It's just this is you know what went through.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
This is going to turn into Justin Field sing because
this is my issue. They stuck with him got him
an incredible head coach, got him an incredible wide receiver,
even though he hadn't proved anything even that he could
stay healthy. There hadn't even been flashes. And then he
turns into a very good NFL QB. I'm like, it's
silver spoon man.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Why do we continue?

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Why do we continue to hold to a tongue about
those injuries over him? But we just let Joe Burrow
walk scotfree because.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Joe Burrow has been to a super Bowl, because he's
so the injuries. No, I'm just saying that, first of all,
they're unrelated injuries, and he wasn't super injured in college.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
And Joe Power too was related to has started off
with he had a broken leg in college, came into
the NFL, and then he had the concussion stuff.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Sure, repeated concussions. I would say, once again, we could bicker,
and I love bickering just for the sake of bickering.
I do think you're here to I do love the
price on toa. I just don't. I think he's a fraud.
I think he's a silver spoon. I just don't like him.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
You know, I'm not going to leave that taste in
people's mouth. So final thing on Tua. He is my
guy this year because I do believe he outperforms at
QB fifteen dynasty value. And if you're looking to and
redraft in a single quarterback lead league, build your wide receiver, room,
running back, room, tight end early. You can get to
a way because he's going to be going after fifteen

(35:02):
other guys apparently, and I will take two and get
the upside there in week to week and in best ball,
it's a no brainer that you're taking to tongue about
low as your quarterback.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, would we really be surprised? I'm sorry, Thomas, Just
just to add to Dylan's point. Are we surprised if
Tua has a better year statistically than C J. Stroud? No,
And he's going he's going five or six rounds later
in redraft.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, guarantee, he's a value. He's a value. The only
I have I just have one caveat to all of that.
The only thing that bothers me about Tua, that worries
me about Tua is when it gets to December, he's
just not good in the cold. And I know he plays,
you know, he plays Buffalo and like the Patriots, and
all of that stuff, Like if he leaves Miami in December,

(35:47):
it could be a problem. And that's the only thing
I worry about with Tua honestly, Like I think that
Tua is a value, and I think Tua gets a
bad rap and I don't know why he's so accurate.
He is crazy accurate. Already got this l a. They
got a low.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Garbage takes.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
No But I think is like you know, I think
is a is a value in Redraft. I think in Dynasty,
like you said, Dylan, he's got a contract what four years,
Like he is going to be the quarterback of a
really good offense with Jileen Waddle, with Tyreek Hill for
the foreseeable future, like buying.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Yeah, yeah, that's my case.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Hello, I'm a fish.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
If you're you're my guy.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
I'm so excited for this. Let's hear you.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
I I'm so excited to talk about this player. I
feel like I've always like you.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Are ready, you're excited to talk about this player?

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Or just hear yourself talk both, I mean, gotcha, the
some incredible talents, you know, both the sound of my voice,
the analysis coming from my brain.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Hearing me talk Dylan is like watching Saquon Barkley run.
It's just smooth. It always were out and regardless of
the horrible talent he's surrounded by. My man has flashes
of greatness and this year, unlike myself, Sakuon Barkley is
surrounded by excellent talent. Here's why Sakuon Barkley is a
my guy for twenty twenty four for me. Number one,

(37:15):
he's twenty seven and a half years old. In Dynasty,
he's kind of at that weird age where you want
to move on from a running back. So he is
an RB one and has the potential finishes the RB
one overall, but his price is gettable. He's one of
the few guys you can go purchase from a team
that's maybe in between a rebuild and go make a
title push with him. Here's why I like Saquon Barkley

(37:36):
so much. Do you guys remember twenty twenty two Miles Sanders.
Miles Sanders went to the Panthers and stole tens of
millions of dollars. I don't have the contract. I think
it was something in the forty millions or something like that.
Because he came off of a season with the Eagles
where he was a bit in a committee where he
ran for four point nine to carry, had eleven total

(37:56):
touchdowns over thirteen hundred scrimmag yards. Were any of us
excited in twenty twenty three for DeAndre Swift or did
we think he was dead in the water and just
a part of a committee. Oh? DeAndre Swift ends up
rushing for twelve hundred plus scrimmage yards, has five touchdowns,
led the league. This is the most important stat DeAndre
Swift led the league in yards before contact. I means

(38:19):
he was just running open, you know, fields of plenty, chariots,
a fire just it was a track race for the
first five yards for everything for DeAndre Swift. And yes,
he didn't punch it into the end zone enough. He
actually got tackled inside the one multiple times, which led
to Jalen Hurts punching it in. I am so in
on Saquon Barkley because I mean, the reasons are many,

(38:41):
but if you can take those two guys and you
can get those guys paid, make them look like all pros,
make them look like Pro bowlers, and get them paid
to go elsewhere. Saquon Barkley in the division that disrespected
him with the Giants. I mean, if you want Saquon anywhere,
use it daily fantasy. Every game he plays the Giants,
I am going to have him in a daily fantasy

(39:02):
lineup because he's gonna go off for fifty fantasy points.
He hates the Giants at this particular point in his career.
Saquon is a player who wants to go to the
Hall of Fame, and he's finally on a team that
can appreciate his talents. And I don't care if the
pass catching opportunities are less. You cannot stack the box
with AJ Brown and Devonte Smith and Jalen Hurts being
an unbelievable quarterback. Saquon Barkley, I think can rush for

(39:24):
almost two thousand yards in this offense, and that doesn't
hurt the.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Rest of the passing weapons to I think the overunder
over under.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
If I would have set the line, I would say
fifteen hundred rushing yards. I think that's a really good
line for Saquon Barkley. I think we're looking at a
minimum of eight touchdowns. Saquon Barkley's floor is super attractive.
But guys, I really think the motivation most running backs
are motivated in a contract year. I think Saquon is
motivated because of his contract to disrespect the entire NFC East.

(39:53):
To listen, he carried a franchise that had no hope
for years. He willed the Giants to a win over
the Vikings in playoffs two years ago on a nine
to seven team that should never have been nine and
seven because he was just like you turn on the film.
Saquon is getting like three and a half four yards
of carry in some of these games with the Giants
because he's literally making guys miss in the backfield like

(40:16):
two yards before he even gets to the line of scrimmage.
And he did that for years. He's angry, He's got
a point to prove. He's concerned about his legacy and
his greatness, and it's going to be provided he's healthy,
it's going to be electric this season. I want to
remind you, guys, Todd Gurley when he was on the
Rams with I think it was Jeff Fisher before Sean
McVay came. It's very similar. He was ourb eighteen. It

(40:38):
was a terrible year, couldn't get anything going. He went
to a good offense or well, Sean McVay turned it
into a good offense, and he ended up becoming the
fantasy superstar that he was for the next four or
five years. I think Saquon for the next two to
three years is going to be a menace. But specifically
in year one with the Eagles, give me Saquon Barkley
in every format and give him on every team in

(41:00):
Dynasty that I can get him to make a championship.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Push oof, Thomas, I'll let you respond.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
First, hot bro, Damn that Mike is hot.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
To.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
In the words of Leo from Django, you curiosity, but
now you got my attention. Baby. Listen, Suan, I like,
I agree with a lot of those takes, man like.
I love Saquan like he's gonna like and with those holes,
those massive holes that the Philadelphia US are gonna open up,

(41:30):
even without Jason Kelce, it is still gonna be like
catnip for him. I wonder, though, Josh, how do you
see him getting fifteen hundred yards with Jalen Hurts in
a Kellen Moore offense? And we know Kellen Moore wants
to pass the ball. Do you see when you say
fifteen you saying fifteen hundred rushing?

Speaker 2 (41:51):
I say fifteen hundred rushing, Yeah, scrimmage yards, I think
he can flirt with two. I think I think he
could easily be at two thousand.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Question. I think that does that affect Jalen Hurts, It's
like jail positively.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Positively, I think we forget the Eagles underachieved as an
offense last season. The Eagles are in a diviendi. I mean, listen,
they they open the year against the Packers, They're gonna
have to put up some points. This is not your
grandpa's NFL. The Eagles. I think defensively, I don't think
their secondary got all that much better. They got a
lot of rookies. Their front seven has been a little

(42:23):
bit disappointing compared to what we thought they were gonna be.
If the Eagles are gonna make a deep playoff run,
and I think they will, they're gonna do it on
on offense. I think the Eagles are a top three
offense this season. I think, I mean, look at look
at how the lines were last year. Did we really
think a rookie tight end was gonna finish number one
of his position With am and Raw and Jamier Gibbs
finishing as a top running back. I mean, if there's

(42:45):
any offense. This I'm not saying this about the Buccaneers,
you know what I mean. I'm like, I'm not. This
is one of the premier offenses in the NFL. There
is room for Saquon to have two thousand scrimmage yards
and for a j Brown to have fifteen receiving touch
and Devonte Smith to still have a thousand yards. This
reminds me a lot of actually the Steelers of old

(43:05):
with the Killer Bees. You had Le'Veon Bell doing his thing,
opened it up for Antonio Brown, Martavis Bryant would have
his blow up games, and Jalen Man. Honestly, this is
a you know, also a Jalen Hurts take in a
lot of ways, Like Jalen Hurts, He's already priced where
he should be. People are already stillked on Jalen Hurts.
This helps Jalen Hurts, It might hurt his rushing upside,
because I don't think Saquon goes down inside the one

(43:25):
that much, certainly not against the Giants. But yeah, man,
I'm all in, I think. And also we gotta remember
with Kellen Moore, you already brought him up. He had,
you know, Zeke Elliott in his prime for kind of
the end of his prime. He knows how to use
a bell cow back. I think the Eagles are going
to be on offense a lot more. I think they're
gonna be scoring a lot more drives. Unfortunately, as a
Cowboys fan, I hate to admit it, I'm just very

(43:46):
in on the Eagles offense this year.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Yeah, I mean that's a bold take. Fifteen hundred rushing yards,
I mean, going over two thousand yards from scrimmage is
a bold take because I think and this is where
this is where I'll correct that that statement, that projection,
because I see why Saquon's being taken as a top
five guy. He's always been that when healthy. He's been

(44:11):
a great running back whenever he's been given the opportunity.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
And that's just it.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Everything that he did in New York was based off
of volume. He was a volume guy, like he was
the offense. They didn't do anything in New York but
build that offense around Saquon Barkley. The reason why he
had the seasons that he had is because when they
were passing the ball, they were looking for Saquon Barkley.
When they were running the ball, they were handing it
to Saquon Barkley. Anything they could do in the offense,
they were getting the ball to Barkley. That's not gonna

(44:36):
happen in Philadelphia. We know Kellen Moore likes to rotate backs.
We know that Kellen Moore likes to pass the ball.
Last time we saw Kellen Moore, Josh was in a Cowboys. Oh,
we saw him in LA But that's whatever. We paid
attention to him when he was in Dallas. That's when
Zeke and Pollard both had great, like decent seasons. They
were both viable starters. So I just don't think that

(44:57):
Saquon's gonna get the volume and we're gonna have to
bet on him being a efficient I'm not betting on
him being a top five efficiency guy.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
I'm just not.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Do I think he'll be in RB one this season. Yeah,
I don't think he's going to be a fifteen hundred
yard rusher or two thousand yards from scrimmage, but I
do think he'll be an RB one. So I'm not
taking him in redraft ahead of guys CMC. I'm not
taking him over CMC, not taking him over Bijean, not
taking him over Breese Gibbs, with the hamstring injury is

(45:24):
a little tricky. But then again, I'm not taking him
over Jamar Chase or Justin Jefferson or like I'm not
so with all of that, he gets pretty close to
the back end of the first second round for me
in redraft. So I just I don't see the top
five upside without the volume. And there's no way with
them paying Davontae Smith, them paying aj Brown, then paying

(45:45):
Jalen Hurts in the past, but paying Jalen Hurts not
throwing the ball. So I just don't think he's gonna
be as efficient and I don't think he's gonna get
the volume to merit a top five running back.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Well, you're wrong, but I won't go too much to
do it. I would put it this way, Dylan. If
let's say you were you had a lot of draft picks,
you were, you had a good rebuild year, you're ready
to make a push this season. Let's say you drafted
Brock Bowers, if you were looking to make a push
win a championship. When you trade Brock Bowers for Saquon Barkley,
straight up, and.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
This is a KTC trade, that's not going to league
that I'm in anyone that is what they're doing is.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
This close to the start of the season. Maybe not,
But there are leagues where all you have to do
is have your opponent Sea blue and they'll click except.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
On it, get out and it better be a ten
dollar buy in league.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Well, I mean, you don't pay enough attention to it
sometimes because it swings the other way. But listen, I've
taken enough time talking about Saquon Barkley. But before I
move on completely, Dylan, I'll put a t this way,
and this will convince you. I know, well, what's more
likely the Cowboys being relevant making a deep playoff push
or the Eagles absolutely see steam rolling US and and

(46:53):
US having a season of midnistry. I'm just trying to
get out ahead of how depressing this season is going
to be. You will succeed. It's like, well, hey, Josh
was right about Saquon Barkley, because I think he's gonna
be a key to their success. So Thomas, I want
to pass it back to you. But before before we
get there, I will take a quick break. Well, we

(47:14):
just digest all the Saquon Barkley love that I just professed.
We'll be back right after this welcome back in uh Doyling.
I got an email from all my Cowboys friends in
between the break there, just saying that I'm out of
the family, and I just told him, guys, like, someone's
got to be realistic. Someone has to keep us grounded

(47:34):
as to what's going to go down.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Yeah, these days, people don't like a realist. We like
to live in our own that's a problem.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
People don't have have unrealistic expectations of the Cowboys or
hanging on with the past.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Every year it's the Super Bowl. I choose to live
in that world for the Cowboys. So yeah, anyway, we'll
pass into our Saints fan to get us kicked off.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Enough complaining over here wall in the misery that none
of our players have been.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
I mean, he's over here throwing shade at the Cowboys.
I mean, what the heck is Derek Carr gonna do
for you? That's what I'm trying to figure out.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yeah, Thomas, the next player you have, you have, I'm
not gonna spoil too much is a Saint. So I'm
excited to hear you. I'm excited to project some of
my pad You ever see the Key and Peel skit
where it's like the bully that's super self aware. He's like, oh,
to internalize that and projected on you all the disappointment
I have for the Cowboys. Be prepared for your next take,
because I'm about to just pour it on you, my friend.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
So yeah, yeah, I felt that coming. I earned it. Yeah, man,
this is gonna be First of all, this is gonna
be a tough season to be a Saints fan. It's
gonna just be tough. But there is a light at
the end of the tunnel. For people in redraft or dynasty. Uh,

(48:48):
if you're looking for somebody that can win you a
league at the price that they are being valued at,
it's Taysom Hill. Okay, all right, listen, we all, we all,
we all got some Taysom Hill. Taysom Hill trauma. I
get it, I get it. But first of all, we
got a new coordinator. Clint Kubiak came from the forty

(49:11):
nine ers. We know what he did with Deebo, all
of that stuff, passing game coordinator, all that, all right.
First of all, once Clint Kubiak got the job, this
is what happened. He went to Taysom Hill's home. That's
the first thing he went to Taysom Hills home to
meet with him because he said, I need you. I
need you this year. Jeremy Fowler. He his quote is

(49:37):
the Saints are leaning into Taysom Hill experience. During training camp,
Taysom Hill has been used and preseason, Taysom Hill has
been used as a running back, a fullback, a tight end,
a slot receiver, and a wide receiver. In the preseason
he had two two snaps at wide receiver out wide. Okay, Now,

(50:01):
Taysom Hill games one through five did not play all
that much. Okay. Game six through eighteen of last year,
my man averaged ten point one points per game and
half PPR. You know who avera's at Evan Ingram. Ten
games he had twenty five snaps. He averaged eleven points
a game. You know who averaged that, George Kittle. He

(50:24):
is going right now in the thirteenth round, one fifty
six a DP in a twelve team league. Taysom Hill
is the best value at tight end you're gonna find
if you punt tight end. If you again, this is
all about value. I'm not saying go and reach for
Taysom Hill. Do not reach for Tasom Hill. Okay, make

(50:47):
that clear. But if you want value and if you
want to win your league, and you say, because you
can't have everything, so you say, I'm gonna punt tight
end and you go get Taysom Hill, you are gonna
probably get a guy who is averaging. I don't think
he's gonna average less than he averaged last year when
he didn't even play, but some games twenty five snaps.

(51:10):
He's gonna be on the field a lot. Clint Kubiak
is gonna use him in a variety of different ways,
and he is going to be the goal line and
we saw it in preseason week two. He is going
to be the goal line guy. Alvin Kamara is not
a touchdown score. Derek Carr sucks in the red zone.
This team is not gonna be good. But Taysom Hill

(51:31):
can win your league. Hmmm.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
So my initial question, how do you know when the
heck you're supposed to start Taysom Hill? Yeah, you can
start him every week, Clint Kubiak, every week where QB
or tight end tight end.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Tight end I'm not saying. I'm not saying nothing a
quarterback that them days are over. Okay, he might play
a low quarterback, but I don't know if that works,
But what I'm saying is like, if you punt tight
end and you really want somebody that you think that
can be, he can be a top ten tight end
at the position, just based on like touchdown equity, and

(52:08):
you know how many times did you like? He's gonna
get rushing ups He's not rushing up side, he's gonna
have receptions just based on the entire package that Clint
Kubiak is gonna have to use him as because the
Saints have nobody. If it ain't Christian Olave or Almon Kamara,
we got nothing, we got nothing. And Juwan Johnson ain't
coming back no time soon. Have you heard his name? No,

(52:29):
So Taysom Mill, who's been used in so many different ways.
Clint Kubiak has already gone on record as saying, I'm
gonna use this guy and I'm gonna exhaust him, and
we're not gonna let him miss games like he did
last year under a different offensive coordinator. He's gonna be
involved in every single game because it behooves the Saints

(52:52):
to play Taysom Hill.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Hmm, Now, Josh, what are you making faces for over there?

Speaker 2 (52:58):
No?

Speaker 1 (52:58):
What are you looking on like that.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
For ball he is a must have, I will admit,
and best ball, he is a cheat code must have
because you don't think of him as a tight end.
People forget and you get those week winning weeks whenever
you don't have to worry about when to start him.
I'm just laughing because it's like it's Taysom Hill, bro.
And I looked up his key value AJ Dillon for
Taysom Hill, Like it's like it's like, I mean, it's

(53:22):
I want to hate the take, but it's just such
a cheap dart throw that could get well for you.
It's like I have no response. I just.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Different. Oh see this, this offense is gonna look completely different.
It's not gonna be great. It's gonna is They're gonna
have a lot more motion. But he's like you saw
him in preseason. They used him on the goal line already,
like we have evidence that this is what they want
to do, and they use them at fullback like he's
gonna be moved around so much and they're gonna try

(53:54):
to keep people off balanced by keeping him in the game.
Because that's honestly, that's really the only one of the
few advantages the Saints have on offense. So I just
think that if you're gonna throw a dart at tight end,
why not throw it at somebody that could possibly end
up a top just just by Hooker Crook a top
five Titans.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Yeah, I mean in round thirteen, you've got to take
the stab at it. I think for me, the Saints
is just such a difficult offense. I get Kubiaks in
there now, but I don't even it wasn't even a
Carmichael problem. I think Carmichael's taking the fall for Derek Carr. Like,
I just think the offense is just bad behind Derek Carr.
And it's just like Derek Carr is very average. He
hasn't actually been terrible for fantasy. He's been a middling quarterback,

(54:37):
which is ideal for a quarterback too. The offense is
just sputters, and they had to use Taysom Hill to
get some sort of spark in that offense with Derek
Carr with an aging Alvin Kamara. I just I struggle
to see the scoring opportunities for Taysom.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Hill if and when they do get to the goal line,
you'll see Taysom Hill.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Yeah, I know, just that.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Yeah, and that's and that's all I'm saying. I'm saying
like there is an opportunity, and I'm not saying the
Saints might end up being the worst offense in the league.
Like I can't even you know, I can't clap back
on that, like they we're gonna we're gonna be bad
unless like it's and we could surprise. I don't know,
but I'm saying it looks like we're going to be bad.
But Taysom Hill has an opportunity to be a joker

(55:23):
in this offense for Clint Kobek and run like kind
of a de bow role because he has nobody else
to do it.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
If he knows if he has sixty to ninety carries
on the season and four or five touchdowns and four
like if he has eight touchdown it's like, yeah, there'll
be a tight end one yeah. So it's just so cheap.
It's like, I'm amused. I think it really depends on
the league four that, and it depends on team build
because the hard part is trusting it week to week
because he can give you a gooseg no question. So

(55:51):
I don't want to attack it too much. It's it's
a man that is a bold take. It is a
bold player to plant your flag on. But hey, first
year the playing with house money, I love it. Dylan,
Who is your my guy number two?

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (56:06):
I mean, I'm just going on a tour of avenging
people who are just severely disrespected for no apparent reason
for for other people's mistakes. These people are just being
just drug through the mud, and I just don't understand it.
My first guy too, talkab loa blame Brian Flores whatever
the concussion, Sure, whatever, you want to blame this guy.
You blame Doug Peterson and whoever ran the offense. I

(56:28):
don't even remember. I don't even know who the offensive
coordinator in Jacksonville is, but you blame them for ruining
Calvin Ridley. Calvin Ridley was gone for a season, and
we know all the off the field stuff whatever. It
wasn't any major character concerns. He was just gambling like
a dummy. He shouldn't have been gambled.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
We all do that, Okay, everyone who listens to the
show does that side.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
We're a pro Calvin.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
We are on Calvin's side. No, yeah, Josh, you might
want to get away from that one.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Very responsible with it. The NFL.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Depending on how you categorize it, that's different. Yeah. Anyways,
going back to fantasy, Calvin Ridley to me, I mean
talk about severely undervalued. If you want to go to
Josh's favorite tool to use ever KTC, this guy is
valued at wide receiver forty five, wide receiver for five.

(57:24):
This dude is the wide.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Receiver one on a break. This is this Also.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
I know I've talked about this with Drake May and
the new England offense. It's the same thing for Tennessee.
This is a new look team. This is no longer
a Rabel offense. This is no longer a Rabel team.
This is no longer a team that's just going to
be our defense, run the ball behind Derrick Henry. They
don't have that offense option. They brought in Brian Kallen

(57:49):
or I don't remember which, Callahan Callahan and and I
don't remember which it is. Brian Callahan, right, Okay, thank
you Brian Callahan, who was the offensive coordinator with the
Bengal We saw what the Bengals offense was. This is
going to be a completely different offense. Will Levis's second year,
He's got one year in the pros, under his belt.
We know that Will Levis has the tools to be

(58:09):
a good quarterback. Calvin Ridley is a one. He is
an elite wide receiver. He was older coming into the league,
so the age doesn't necessarily worry me. He had the
time off whatever. Based off that one catch that we
saw last week in the preseason where he just caught
it underneath, I mean, the dude's still explosive. He's exactly
who we think he is. Going back to his Jacksonville days.

(58:31):
He still finished as the wide receiver seventeen in that offense,
and I mean that just goes overlooked. Like wide receiver
seventeen coming back off of a year after not playing
football and an offense where they tried to use you
as a field stretcher. I mean, that's just not Calvin
Ridley's game. Calvin Ridley gets open, he's a route runner.
You don't just use him as That's why the Jags
went and got Brian Thomas Junior. That's what they want

(58:53):
him to do. That's not Calvin Ridley's game. So all
that to say, I think Calvin Ridley is a my
guy this year because I expect him to be a
top fifteen option. I think he can be a top
fifteen option in the wide receiver category in that offense
with the inexperienced Wile Levis and a Brian Callahan offense
where he's also got d Hop on the same offense. Like,
I just he doesn't have to be the one. I

(59:15):
know d Hop's injured initially, but when he gets back.
Having those two on the field, they compliment each other
so well. So I just think Calvin really is severely disrespected.
And I mean a wide receiver forty five. I mean,
come on, You've got guys like Romeo Dobbs, Ady Mitchell,
Chris Godwin, Christian Watson. All these guys are going Jayden Reed,

(59:36):
Jordan Addison, Lad McConkie. All these guys are going over
Calvin Ridley like that is just disrespectful. I rest my
case and Thomas, I want to hear from you. What
do you think I mean? Am I crazy?

Speaker 1 (59:47):
This is my guy for sure?

Speaker 3 (59:49):
And I plant my flag with this guy.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Can I'm just gonna clap it out, bro, I'm gonna
clap it out.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
No.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
I don't understand the Calvin really hate. I don't get this.
Dude was off the field for two years he didn't
play football for two years and he comes out and
he was, Okay, there's a stat where he had like
eight pis or something like that, yet the most pis

(01:00:16):
in the NFL or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Yes, And there were like a couple like in zone
shots where he dropped the ball. They were like overthrows
where he was open and the end zone, like like
there was so many plays left on the field last year.
And I drafted Calvin really in a couple of leagues. Man,
I'm drafting wherever I could find it. I saw I
watched Calvin Rialley's film from last year. That dude's release

(01:00:41):
is ridiculous. He releases off the line like nobody's business
man like. He still has the speed, he still has
the route running capability. I think last year, because of
like being in that situation where he's coming back, they
put a lot on his plate initially, and I think he,
you know, he could have played a little bit better

(01:01:01):
at times, maybe cause some passes that he didn't, But
I think that's that's just rust. I think that's rust,
and I think he's done. I think they gave him
ninety something million dollars because they know that he is
a talent. I think he is the most underrated receiver
in the league right now because people have forgotten how

(01:01:22):
good he is. And Dylan, Man, I gotta give you props, bro,
being on that offense with Callahan all the other weapons,
it won't just be on him, but he'll be able
to get open. Will Levis is a deep ball thrower,
and Ridley is so good at getting open deep and
this is gonna just I think the sky's the limit

(01:01:43):
for him this year. Man, So I gotta give you props, Bro.
That was a great pise.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
No notes, come on, disagree, No, I mean listen, if
you want to know why people were out on Calvin Ridley,
it's exactly what Thomas brought up. It's because he missed
two years in dynasty. That cuts deep right in fantasy,
that cuts team because remember, it wasn't just like I
remember drafting him the season, like at the one two turn,
when all of a sudden, it was like he's having

(01:02:09):
problems off the field, he's taken time away from football,
and then he was just gone, and like that sticks
in people's minds. And I mean, fantasy is such an
interesting game because really there's a lot of players who
are really close in terms of a tier to each
other that will will have massive separational Like DK Metcalf
and Calvin Ridley are a lot closer to each other

(01:02:29):
than DK Metcalf and Jamar Chase. But the reality is
one is wide receiver fifteen and the others forty five
with Calvin Ridley, But wide receiver fifteen and wide receiver
five or four are just seem there's so much actually
farther apart in stats and in points and all those things.
But because of sentiment, because of hype, because of the

(01:02:51):
media news cycle, we find these guys like I don't
like Calvin Ridley. I'm not like a big Calvin Ridley truther.
But when Dylan says he's wide receiver forty five, there's
thirty two teams in the NFL. Are you telling me
that there's a bunch of wide receivers?

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
I mean, Jyleb Walla, I told you who is behind.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Maybe it's like it's insane, it's insane. I'm all for it.
It really just depends on who you know. It's all
compared to what right, So, like, do I like Calvin
Ridley more than other? Maybe other guys that are undervalued No,
but at that price, especially on a dynasty roster, like
we've named some guys tonight, you go get Taysom Hill
at tight end, Saquon Barkley running back, Calvin Ridley. You

(01:03:27):
are bawling on a budget. You can go win a
championship and you do not have to get rid of
your first to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
So I love to see.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
I got a question. I got a question for you
guys before we move on on your dynasty teams. Would
you rather have DeVante Adams or Calvin Ridley?

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Calvin Ridley easily easily easy easily bro who easily when
he's younger.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Yeah, I mean we're talking, we're talking to ten different values.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
I have him as my wide receiver three in a
twelve team super Flex, that's my third wide receiver. That's ridiculus. Yeah.
I like that. Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Yeah, and that's yeah. I think you nail that just
before we move on. Like it's because the price and
like where you can have him as your wide receiver three,
you're wide receiver four, and it's like he's gonna end
up a mid wide receiver two probably, Like that's that's
not a high high ceiling. He could be a wide
receiver one in the year like back end, But I
genuinely could see it happening.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
That's why I say top fifteen wide receiver like that.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's the album. Like, if
he's top fifteen, like that's that's kind of what I exercised.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
What wide receiver seventeen last year? At the end of
the year, he had.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Two in that offense, Lawrence some weeks two? Yeah did
it well? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
No, I like that a lot, even though I usually
hate your takes, because it's time. There hasn't been a
show in season two where his name has not been mentioned.
It's not a surprise. This is the George Pickens drink.
Yeah no, I mean listen, if you've listened to the
show for more than ten minutes on any other episode,

(01:04:59):
you know that I've had a love affair with George Pickens.
But gentlemen, this is the year. If it's gonna happen
at all, this is the year. So I could lay
out a statistical argument as to his efficiency, I could
lay out all the numbers as to why it was
it's gonna happen, and like I could give you Saquon
Barkley level, like, oh, buy in. I'd rather do something different.

(01:05:22):
I'd rather just kind of go back to a narrative
that I've been told all the non believers who have
hated on my champion since he was drafted, Dylan would
rather have had Traylon Burkes ten times out of ten,
Traylon Burks is dead and gone. This is this is
a year two of Traylon Burks. Okay, it was like

(01:05:44):
there was many times Johan Dotson was a much better pick,
Christian Watson, sky Moore, they were sure things. Is there
anyone like Garrett Wilson not was standing who By the way,
George Pickens did better then last year. Drake London he
did better than last year in a worse offense than not.
I mean, Gary Wilson was in like the worst offense

(01:06:06):
I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
I'll I would leave Gary Wilson.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Yeah, no, for sure. The twenty I believe was what
that's the twenty twenty one wide receiver class because they're
coming into year three. You got a lave, you got
Drake London, You've got Garrett Wilson obviously, and then you
had all the guys I mentioned Skymore Christian Watson. I
still have hope for Christian Watson. I can like Christian Watson.
George Pickens has done more with less than all of
those guys. I have taken crap from my love of

(01:06:32):
him day in and day out, and I understand Pittsburgh
is not going to be an incredibly sexy offense this season.
But if the preseason Week two proves anything, it's that
Kenny Pickett is a Morgan Wallin cover band artist and
never deserved to be a starting quarterback in the NFL.
The fact, you guys, you know George Pickens only had
five touchdowns last year, right, probably caught a couple fades,

(01:06:53):
right that, What you guys think is that what comes
to your mind? Wrong? He had zero red zone touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
All of his.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Touchdown came outside the twenty yard line. My man took
it to the house going into last year. Dylan, what
did you say you didn't like about him? He can't separate,
and he's bad after the catch. Guess what, He's fantastic
after the catch.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
He just drew one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Play, several plays. He joked over a guy in Jacksonville.
He took it to the house against Cleveland against the
Raiders against Cincinnati. My man has wheels, he's smooth, he
plays with unmatched arrogance. He just knows he's better than you,
and he's in a better offense than he's ever been.
Wide receiver year three, breakouts are a thing, and so
I would just like to reflect you doubted me, then

(01:07:34):
it was easy to doubt me two years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
You're saying a.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Receiver wide receiver one guaranteed. I've got him stat at
as wide receiver ten right now on my stats, probably
wide receiver eleven. I think we're looking at twelve thirteen
hundred yards and eight touchdowns. Listen, the receptions aren't going
to be there. We're looking at seventy eight to eighty
five receptions on a good day. He doesn't need it.
His yards per catch gonna be at eighteen, probably seventeen

(01:08:00):
and a half this year. Take a step down. He's
unbelievable over the middle of the field, by the way,
but he's a great outside deep all thrower. Dylan Cortland
Sutton last year looks great with Russell Wilson catching touchdowns
all over the red zone. So whether it's Russell Wilson
or Justin Fields, who made DJ more wide receiver six.
By the end of the year, he's the only game
in town. And the non believers have hated on me
for three years. This is the culmination of three years

(01:08:22):
of work. I'm not gonna have to talk about George
Pickens next year. I'm not gonna have to bring him
up as a my guy because you're just gonna take credit.
You're gonna steal my work. Like we as a show
have loved George Perkins, George Pickins, we were right about him.
It's listen. If it doesn't happen, the podcast is probably canceled.
I'll be honest, really.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Tough until he is a top ten wide receiver. He
is George Perkins because I don't believe there's any perks
in owning him. I don't think there's any perks of
having him on your team. There is no like he's
gonna go from wide receiver well twenty. Let me get
this correct six six.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
And that's only yeah, no, yes, correct, That's an easy
jump to make. That's two or three touchdowns, that's all.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
A guy that can't separate run rounds and every single
highlight that you see coming out of camps him, it's
it's nice catches. Don't get me wrong, You're not doing
that everywhere on the field. It's just not happening.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
I love your scouting because it's the same scouting that
loved you Han Dots and Trey long Burgs and everyone
has sky more better than him.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Say what, I trust me more, trust you?

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Trust you?

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
Oh give me any.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
We already have a Yeah, I gotta watch Star Wars. Yeah,
so it's actually this is actually funny. Number two in
my my guys for wide receiver was T Higgins, Like,
we have a George Pickens versus T Higgins bet, and
it's gonna be tough this year because I think T
Higgins is primed for a good year. He needs a
big contract in Jamar Chase isn't practice shout out to Higgins,

(01:09:44):
but it's a straight up bet. Injury cancels it. Basically,
they've got to be within two games of each other.
If Dylan loses, which he is going to, I'm I'm
willing this into existence. He has to watch all of
Star Wars, and I mean all of Star Wars because
he's never seen single Star Wars. If I lose, I
have to watch what nine O two one oh.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Hill get it right, was it?

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
One tree Hill?

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Okay, yes, the entire the whole thing, all all six
I think season Big Josh. No one in their right
mind is going to take George Pickens over to Higgins.
No one in their right sober mind is taking that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
And in the words of Achilles in the movie Troy
and that's why George, Remember.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
George, let's let's go. You don't disagree.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
I know you don't disagree at all. So we're gonna
take a quick break. This is a long episode. Boys,
I'm enjoying myself. Take a quick break. We'll come back
in for the last my guy each of us has
for the twenty twenty fourth season. Stay tuned. This episode
is coming to an end, but the fantasy season is
just getting started, and we've got our last my guys. Thomas,

(01:10:53):
you've been lead off hitter this entire episode. You given
you my guys first. Do you want to pass it
to Dylan and and kind of hit out batting order
here or you feel good to just continue to lead
us into victory Because I'm Taysom Hill I had I
was skeptical when you first put him in the show
doc but man, you really landed that planes a mere white.
I'm all about who's your third man?

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
No, man, I don't think y'all gonna argue with this
right here, Will Levis I got. Will Levis is my
third and partially because of what Dylan is saying, Like
having Calvin Ridley is like, it's huge, man, it's huge,
and you touched on it about you know, Brian Callahan
and all this, But I got some things, man, Like,
let's first of all, first of all, let's dig into it.

(01:11:33):
Will Levis head that offense was pedestrian at best last year,
and Will Levis showed moxie. I don't think I've ever
used that word, but he, I guess the Steelers like
he has some really good games for a rookie quarterback
to come in and the first game he played threw

(01:11:54):
four touchdown passes, right, he threw eight touchdowns four interceptions.
So for me, like that is a successful rookie campaign
if you could come in leading offense even on a
really really bad team, and uh and and and you know, like,

(01:12:14):
even though he had bad games, he showed enough promise
where I feel like with the addition of Calvin Ridley,
the offensive weapons around him, Tony Pollard, you got Uh,
you got Tyler Boyd. Now you got a pass happy oc.
He wants to throw the ball because he's been doing it.

(01:12:36):
He did it with you know, uh, Jake Browning. He's
gonna do it with Will Levis. And Will Levis loves
to throw the ball deep. He's got a rope like
a rebuilt offensive line. They decided to draft the offensive
lineman in the first round, like you have a first
round talent at left tackle, Like, uh, there's no Derrick Henry.
The sneaky thing about Will Levis is Will Levis has

(01:12:58):
some Russian upside that we didn't see last year. Now,
who's gonna get the goal line work? Tay j. Spears
one ninety four, Like way, he's a buck ninety four
Tony Pollock. We thought he was gonna do it in
Dallas last year only had like seven touchdowns. Like, let
everybody down, Will Levis is gonna score like five or
six touchdowns. The man is built like a mac truck
at quarterback. So that's another reason to draft him. Another

(01:13:22):
thing we forget so quickly. I know Will Levis dropped
in the draft, but I think maybe like a week
or two before the draft, this man was in consideration
for a top three pick. People drop sometimes in drafts
Drew Brees and end up becoming something really really special.

(01:13:43):
The reason I say Will Levis is going to succeed
is because there are no excuses why he won't offensive line,
running game, great offensive coordinator, some really really talented receivers,
underrated receivers at his disposal. He's playing in doors like.
I just don't see a world where he doesn't succeed

(01:14:05):
this year and has one of those breakout seasons that
a second year quarterback has that we always are hoping
a second year quarterback has.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
I mean, I mean, I'm a huge Will Levis truther.
In our League of Record Dynasty exchange. I have the
Levis really stack, and so I'm bought into it. I
think Will Levis has I mean, coming out of college,
he's had all the tools. We knew he was a
raw prospect coming out where he needed some development. Not
rang in the sense of he couldn't do it. It's
just he needed some fine tuning and coaching. And I

(01:14:39):
think Brian Callahan, we saw what he did with Joe Burrow.
Joe Burrow is Joe Burrow, but we saw what he
did with Jake Browning. You alluded to it, like the
fact that he found success with Jake Browning. Jake Browning
is not any special talent. I mean the dude was
he out of Washington. I don't even know where he
was drafted, but it wasn't relevant, so it was like
he may have been undrafted. So it's like, that's what

(01:15:00):
I'm saying, I trust. This is another one of those
situations where it's I trust the talent and I trusted
coaching around him and the offense around him to put
a successful foundation around him. So I love it. I'm in.
I love the Will Levis picks.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
Of my guy.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
He was one of mine that I contemplated as well,
but then I went Calvin Ridley didn want to have
too many Titans. So I mean, I love that you
You laid it out well.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
I big fan.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Yeah, if it's a if it's a point per Mayonnaise
France Commercial League, move him up to a QB one.
Did you guys see that?

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Did you guys see him.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
Talking about categitalizing on the moment?

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
I think you could see. And this isn't a comp
exactly because the play style is not the same. I
like Will Levis. He reminds me a little bit of
like Blake Bortles from a fantasy upside standpoint, where you know,
the Titans are who knows what they're going to be
next year. They're a completely new franchise without Vrabel there
and without that personality there. But I think the defense
is going to be a lot worse and I like

(01:15:57):
the weapons they brought in. So if Will Levis, he
definitely seems prone to chuck it all over the field.
I'm with you, Thomas. I think it's a great value,
very interesting QB. But I think the long term value
is the only thing I wonder about. I don't know
if you know there's gonna be loyalty to him long
long term because he wasn't a first round pick.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
And I know that that is a something that to
be concerned about. I think that's good to have in
the back of your head. You should probably, like, I
don't know, maybe drafts this backup if that's going to
be your QB one. If you don't redraft, I would
draft somebody that I trust. Maybe I don't want to
say a Derek Carr, but somebody like that I could
just throw in in a pinch. If it doesn't work out,

(01:16:38):
I don't think it. I think it will work out,
though I don't see a reason why it won't. But
if it doesn't, if it doesn't, like they are not
committed to him. And I know he was a second
round pick, but it just feels like all the pieces
fit around him and they have catered to his strengths
more than anything. Getting the two running backs that could

(01:16:59):
catch out of the while they had TYJ. Spears, but
getting Tony Pollard saying that they're gonna use them out
of the backfield. They have help. They drafted Josh Wiley,
who's been under the radar, who is basically his best friend. Yeah,
and they love him. He was a third round tight
end they got, they got Chewy, They got all kinds
of weapons all around him. And they don't play in

(01:17:22):
the hardest division in the league. It's not a it's
not a hard division. So if he has time in
the pocket, which because of the offensive line and because
of the coaching, because of the court, because of the
quarterback whisper that we have in Callahan, I think will
Levis will have the breakout season that everybody wants from him.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
I think he'll be very fantasy relevant this season. I
just I worry that it's a Sam Howell story all
over again, where he has fantasy relevant games, but because
of turnovers and wins and losses, there's a desire to
make him escapegoat if the front office needs to move on.
But that's the only that's my rebuttal to.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
That Sam Howell didn't have an offensive line to speak of.
Fair Will Levis has an offensive line and the weapons
I mean Terry McLaurin. Yeah, but what else did he have?

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
What else?

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
What else did Sam Howell happen?

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
I thought yehand was going to be something, and you know,
I think that back. You know, Brian Robinson's not nobody
at the running back position, and Antonio Gibson's a good
pass catching back, or at least he was. He was
worth a lot of fab for Dylan in the off
season after he accidentally drop it. No, listen, Thomas, I
like to take, I like to take. I'm just I'm
just qualifying it for the sake of playing Devil's advocate.

(01:18:34):
I'm not gonna need to do that here because Dylan's
take is probably going to be bad in and of itself.
I'll just have to share my honest opinion, Dylan, who
do you have for your last My guy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Oh, you're so luckily don't sell draft guides, because I
guarantee you mine would sell a lot more than yours.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
I mean for entertainment purposes, fantasy receipts all over it, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
Fantasy re seats.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
No, this one is this is my.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
This is my fringe, kind of deep ish, my guy.
It's a guy that I've loved since he came into
the league. He's battled injuries, he's battled QB play. It's
a wide receiver, and I mean, I don't like to
make excuses for a lot of players, but I mean
this guy, along with Garrett Wilson, when you put him
in the Hall of Fame of awful quarterbacks and not

(01:19:19):
giving their career chance, he's up there. I mean DJ Moore,
Terry McClatchy, all those guys. Courtland Sutton is right there
with him. And I think Courtland Sutton, it's not just
the quarterbacks. It's been injuries. The ACL set him back.
Last year was his first year back off the ACL.
You know, he's had injuries just kind of linger throughout

(01:19:41):
his career. But to me, Courtland Sutton, he's going off
the board in the ninth round of re draft leagues.
So to me, he's the wide receiver Again. I'm targeting
wide receiver ones in any offense. If you can get
a wide receiver one in the Sean Payton offense. Do
we remember who the last wide receiver one was in

(01:20:02):
a shot in Payton offense. I'm not saying he's going
to be this guy. I'm saying they have similar builds
and do have a similar play style as Mike Thomas.
Michael Thomas. What we remember Michael Thomas. Yes, he fell
off a map because of injury or whatever, but when
he was playing, we saw how he was utilized. And
Courtland Sutton has a very similar game. He's not super fast,
He's a big body, can catch, he can make contested catches,

(01:20:24):
he can catch those short routes, and he does have
some yackability. So to me, I want a wide receiver
one in any offense. When it comes to the Denver offense,
I'm in on bo Nicks. I'm in. I'm in punch
my ticket to the bo Knicks train because I am
I saying he's going to be the next Drew Brees.
I'm not going to go that far as everyone wants
to start comparing because he was in Peyton offense. But

(01:20:46):
Bo Nicks can get the job done. Bo Nicks is
going to be able to get the ball to Courtland Sutton.
And if you can get the wide receiver one on
an offense in the ninth round, give me Courtland Sutton.
I mean, give me all the Courtland Sutton. I can
get it that right, because at that point he's going
to be a wide receiver three, wide receiver four. I mean,
if you can have Courtland Sutton on your bench, it's
I mean wide receiver. I mean going in the ninth round,
that's that's an easy noe brainer. So I mean, I

(01:21:09):
I understand the injuries. I understand the concern and lack
of production. Last year with Russell Wilson, we talked about
how atrocious that year was a ten touchdown season, and
that was with I mean, he was wide receiver, was
like wide receiver thirty four. But that's because the targets,
I mean, we saw the targets that he was getting
last year. Russell Wilson was not who Russell like, he
was not himself. And then towards the end of the

(01:21:29):
season he got benched, so I'm not worried about the
pass production. I'm looking forward with a healthy Courtland Sutton
last year coming back from the ACL tear. I mean,
if I can get him, I think he's an easy
finish for a wide receiver two season at worst. He
has the upside to be not wide receiver two overall
like a wide receiver too.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
And that is still pretty pretty really, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
I think he has I think he has top fifteen
wide receiver one upside sneakily, if they can pass the
ball efficiently, they're going to run the ball. So if
they can get those touchdowns match with a few more yards.
I mean, you think he's gonna regress in touchdowns, I don't.
I think he just a chance to, but I don't
think it's likely. I don't think so. I'm taking my
chances on Courtland Sutton, which is why he's my guy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
I love the price. I do love the price, and
reportedly he's having an incredible campus. It's not a well
known storyline. He's running every single you know, doing the
Jerry Rice drill where every pass you catch you take
it all the way to the end zone. You know
he's been a real leader in the locker room. All
that's there. My issue is not I agree with with
both the price and how the players progress, what's happened

(01:22:34):
with his career. I'm also a believer in bon Knicks,
but rookie quarterbacks just don't support wide receiver ones, even
high end wide receiver twos. And so it's the price
still makes him attractive because if he's my my bench
wide receiver. Let's say I took a Calvin Ridley and
he's missing two weeks with a toe injury. I plug
in Courtland Sutton. Am I gonna be surprised if he
gives me a top twelve week? No, not whatsoever. He's

(01:22:55):
easily someone who can go up and get me a
two touchdown week if he has the right I mean,
he's such a smart bench play, and he's such a
smart depth play in any format I'm very much in.
But no, I think a wide receiver two is stretching it.
I think there's a lot of players I would much
rather have as a wide receiver two.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
But so, you don't think he could finish as a
wider top twenty four wide.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
Receiver this year?

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
He could? I think that's more of the ceiling. I
thought you said floor for that. I was like, he
could easily finish the wider.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
I am banking on that's actually his floor. I don't
think i've I think in that offense, with the passing
volume and him being the number one option, I think
wide receiver a wide receiver two is his floor.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
I don't think he falls out of that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
It's you're my guy. You're allowed to You're allowed to
make your bet this episode. Here's the good about this episode.
We're gonna get to come back to these These are
the players we get to come back to. So for me,
you guys, I prop to you guys. You guys both
went spicy, like let me try to find value. I'm like, no, no,
I'm planting my flag on the players I love like
the most of this season. So I really respect it. Thomas,

(01:23:51):
your thoughts on Courtland something before we move on, You know,
I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
I I don't think the pright you know. I want
Courtland Sutton that cost. I don't want to reach for him,
but he's somebody I don't want to rely on because
I just don't want to rely on anybody in that
Denver offense not this year. I do think that if
you can, if you can get a Courtland Sutton on
your bench and have a wide receiver one just on

(01:24:18):
your bench for bie weeks for injuries, I think that
that's an amazing get because even if he do he
regresses a little bit in touchdowns. I do believe that
Bo Nicks is gonna lean on him more than anybody.
Tim Patrick is still coming back from his injury. Josh
Rentals has never really been a wide receiver one or two.

(01:24:39):
To be perfectly honest, you know, like we don't know
what Greg Dultic is and the running back situation is fluid.
So I feel like he's the only stable one that
we've seen something from in the last couple of years
where I can like say, okay, he is the alpha
dog of that offense. So if I'm in a pinch

(01:24:59):
and I get to throwing Courtland Sutton in my lineup,
I'm really happy. So yeah, I think that's a great
I think that's a great thing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
Dylan, thanks for providing value, guys. George Pickens obviously is
the my guy of the my guys, but if you've
paid attention to this season, at all. Dalton Kinkaid has
been a shoe in for my guy, and I'm planting
my flag here. Thomas. We actually texted back and forth
because we both had them. Listened to my Guy. I
was welcome to let you take the take, but you said, hey,

(01:25:27):
I'm going Taysom Hill. I said, well, okay, if you're gonna,
you don't get to take Taysom Hill and talk about
it time and then they don't belong in the same
stratus here. Listen, the price is expensive and keep trade cut.
He is the tight end three in non tight end premium.
He costs a Brandon Ayuk guys, I'd be willing to
pay it. I was not a Dalton Kinkaid truther last year,

(01:25:49):
not because I didn't think he was talented. I didn't
see the path. Stefan Diggs leaving changes everything. I've talked
about it repeatedly on this show, but it's also part
of my love of Keon Coleman over to one hundred
and fifty targets vacated on one of what I believe
is still going to be one of the best offenses
in football. With Josh Allen leading the way, Dalton Kincaid
has an opportunity to not just be a great tight end.

(01:26:11):
I think that's his floor. To be honest, I think
Dalton Kinkaid can be a league winner, you know, positionlessly
so to speak. There's those years of Travis Kelcey where
if you had stacked him up against wide receivers, he'd
have been like the wide receiver six, the wide receiver ten,
like I think Dalton Kinkaid. I'm not saying he's going
to do this, but he has the opportunity to put

(01:26:32):
up thirteen hundred yards and double digit touchdowns. He has
the opportunity to be just an incredible receiving option, and
you gotta put him in your tight end slot. He
is in redraft the tight end five. He's going behind Laporta,
andrews Kelsey, who's.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
The other guy, McBride, mcbrideney.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
I think he finishes ahead of all. I think he's
being drafted at his floor, and I know tight end
five is like, well, he's the top five guy in
tight ends. Only the top five kind of matter. Anyway.
At that point, you punt and you hope for touchdown upside.
You take a swing for the fences with a Taysom Hill,
Dalton Kincaid, I believe, is in the best opportunity of
all those five. We've gotten burned from Kyle Pitts before,
but we've like, we've seen way more from Kincaid already.

(01:27:17):
He's with a Hall of Fame talent quarterback. This is
a no miss situation. I get that it feels expensive,
but don't let the op Just because it's obvious doesn't
mean it's not true. And I think that's the only
concern with Kincaid here is I think people are not
going for it. His ADP should be the tight end two.
In my opinion, there's never been a more obvious opportunity

(01:27:38):
for him to step into into being the target leader because,
by the way, he had the most targets other than
Sefon Diggs last year. There is so many targets to
go around. He's had another year in this offense, and
he's with an offensive coordinator that knows how to utilize
tight ends better than wide receivers anyway. I mean, he's
already with a friendlier coordinator. Go along with it, Dalton Kinkaid.

(01:28:00):
Other than injury, very in on. And it's funny because
I owe a friend of mine an apology. He was
at the one to nine last year in a league
we were and he's like, I don't know, man, And
I had just sold him Dawson Knox for a first
and I traded a second with it. It was like
a twenty twenty five and I was like, Dawson Knox
is still there? Long term thing like trade out of
the pick or take Davon Hm. In fairness, I didn't

(01:28:21):
say take dvon Ahn. He traded out of the pick
a year later. Man, if you've been patient with Dalton Kinkaid,
I think you're primed and loaded ready to go with
a league winner. And by the way, he had a
great rookie season when you consider what rookie titands are
supposed to do. So Dalton Kinkaid tight end one.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
These tight end one book it wow, d tight end
one overall.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
Yes, Equickly, I'm not mad at it. I'm not mad
at it, man. I honestly, I could see a hundred
is very likely you see one hundred catches and ten
touchdowns from him, and they just don't have anybody. I mean, look,
we like Kean Coleman, Khalil Shakiri that you know, there's
a lot of war that they have this James Cook

(01:29:02):
or whatever, but there's nobody that's winning matchups as easily
as Dalton Kinkaid. And yes, he has a year under
his belt where he was the second lead target getter. Like,
they have plans for this dude, and they don't have
a lot of other options to go along, but they
you know, I think a lot of people are worried
that Josh Allen is not gonna pass as much. But

(01:29:23):
that doesn't bother me. Man, that doesn't bother me. They're
gonna be in dogfights a lot, and they when they
get into dogfights, he's gonna look to Dalton kin Kaid
because Khalil Shakir is a slot receiver at best. You know,
Curtis Samuel, I really think he's just gonna be like
a Swiss Army knife. And Key Coleman is still learning
the game. As much as we like him, he's still
learning the game, you know what I mean. Sure, So

(01:29:44):
I think Dalton Kinkaid is easily in the top three
conversation and Josh I wouldn't even put it past me yet.
I think number one is really in the range of
possibilities because they they have to throw the ball and
he's the best. He's the best receiver that they have
on that team.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I agree. I hate to say it,
but I agree with you, Josh. I do like Dalton
and Kate. I don't know about tight end one overall
se but I do believe that he is one of
the top three. I would say top three tight ends,
and I see I think he finishes top three. There's
no other options. I don't think I was a Dalton
Kin Kate fan coming out of college, and I think

(01:30:25):
he the way that he plays the role of a
tight end is very, very similar to Travis Kelsey, where
they're just they're much more fluid like wide receivers, and
they know how to get open and they just move
a lot smoother. kN Kaid is very similar in that regard,
and so I think he is going to be that
what he's going to be exactly what Josh Allen needs
if he can figure out that groove of okay, let

(01:30:46):
me get open and leave it to Josh to find me,
not try to get Josh to find me, if that
makes sense. Yeah, finding space in his own finding space,
letting Josh find him open, because that's exactly what Kelsey does.
He sits there and waits for Pat to find him
instead of going and fin a way for Pat to
see him.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
So yeah, I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
I think I think he's he's where where is he going?

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Did you say his adp Uh, Yeah, it's it depends
on format. It's actually very different and sleeper. He's going
at the end of the third in Yahoo and es yah,
who I believe he's in the fourth and ESPN he's
all the way in the fifth.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Oh that's such a steep price. Yeah, but I mean
if you want to get your tight end, Yeah, that
that I mean makes it. That's usually where I draft
tight ends is fourth or fifth round. So if it's
fourth or fifth, I'll take it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
Third is a little too early for me. Well, but
think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
You took you took Travis Kelcey. People for years took
Travis Kelsey at the end of the first and it
and it paid out because the volume was there. I'm saying,
not only is he going to be a good tight
end in the tight end one, I'm promising he's the
tight end one. I believe if he plays a full season,
he will be the tight end one, no question. But
I believe he'll be drafted start of the second, end

(01:31:53):
of the first by next year. I really believe that's
the kind of leap we're looking at.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
So no, Josh, you're right man. I think it's a
position advantage. If you can get him, you have a
position or advantage.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
It's a league winner, it's a league winning market.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
Well, just leaning on a nice note.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
I know all of us in agreement about Dalton k K.
We love him. Uh, listen, it's it's been a great episode.
We're looking forward to a great year. We've got hot
takes next week, all the crazy season predictions this listen.
That was the episode where Dylan was right about Justin Fields.
The one take he hangs his hat on and his
career on as an analyst was in that episode. So
come back. Maybe he goes two for two on his

(01:32:30):
career and helps you do it. Until next time. This
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