Opening A 2020 Time Capsule

With OTA kicking off and rumors swirling, Josh and Dylan dive headfirst into the buzz surrounding Justin Jefferson. Could the NFL’s top wide receiver have really been a draft day trade target? Josh thinks most OTA news is just noise that should be ignored to avoid overreacting.

Dylan, however, has a different take (as usual), arguing that while we should pay attention to OTA updates, they should be taken with a pinch of salt. In a thrilling segment, Josh takes us on a journey back to 2020, analyzing the ADP for dynasty rookies and revealing key lessons from the past. Remember, those who forget history are doomed to repeat it!

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
It is often said that those who fail to study
history are doomed to repeat it. Some would say in
fantasy football it's not that deep. But for Dylan and
I tonight, it is just that deep. We have a
loaded show in the middle of the doldrums of fantasy news. Listen,
we're picking through Ota News right now. Dylan, by the way,
great to have you on the show. Just the Ogs

(00:31):
here tonight. A couple of fun things popped up on
my feed. Number one, OTA News, which to me is
always it's false flag. It's fake news. As they say,
it's nothing you should make massive trades or acquisitions based
on should you take some waiver shots on some players
that you mentioned. Maybe that to me is just about it.

(00:53):
We've got to unpack the Justin Jefferson rumor. We got
a fully loaded show. But before we get to it, Dylan,
I just like complete left turn nostalgic kid. Did you
see as a fellow nineties kid, that's six seventeen East
Lincoln Ave in with Teca Chicago was for sale. It's

(01:13):
got it, you know, I'm gonna mispronounce the name. That
is the original home alone house is currently up for sale,
and I just feel like my my childhood is being
ripped out from me, and it's like, just look, do
you remember you? Like I felt like that house was
I don't know, that was always.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Goals, absolutely, And I mean I know you may be surprised,
but I have seen that movie. I have actually seen
Home Alone. I'm very propiately one of my favorite movies.
So yes, I've seen it. But yeah, I mean that
house is a staple. Yeah, you look at it and
you're like, that's goals, right, that's what you wanted, that
mansion with twelve kids and eighteen families and and all

(01:49):
so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Well and on top of that, I mean, how how
long before you realize that, like that was not a
practical way to defend your home, because I know for me,
I took that as like these are solid tactical decisions.
And so whenever my parents, like you know, when you're
like eleven twelve, like hey we're gonna run out, You're
gonna stay at home. Lock the doors, like I would
put light bulbs near the windows, like my sister and

(02:10):
I would have fun with it. Were like to do
we trapped the house? We did. We always had a
oh my god, it wasn't. The only thing I remember
was like light bulbs next to the windows, which was
kind of dumb because it was like broken glass and
then broken glass.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
But to us it was I mean, obviously like our
differences show and how we evaluate fantasy football.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
The discussion I do it correctly, you do it wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Sure. I like to think I think outside the box,
because I didn't think like all of his tactics. I
was like, of course, no one's gonna do that. I'm
not going to pour hot water, set it up on
a rope and have it. I'm not gonna do any
of that. What was fascinating to me in that whole
movie was the entire scene with him doing the after shape.
I was like, does the after shape actually work?

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Like really it doesn't really burn?

Speaker 1 (02:52):
And Josh, I know you got a little bit of
a baby face, but yeahro never I think, have you
ever trimmed some of that peach buzz and put some
after shape on it? Or what know? Brother?

Speaker 2 (03:00):
On the on the quarterly occasion that I do shave
the face, you do not shave on quarters. No, I
save every day. But it's just patchy for me. So
it's just one of those things. But I don't. I
don't use after shave, So I'm still.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
What do we have to do here for our listener?
What do we have to do for you to grow
out your beard for an entire quarter? See, I'm down, like,
no mustache, no nothing, you have to grow it all?

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Okay? So what's is this a gamble? Or is this
like you're just creating some sort of like this is
a trade off, like you're gonna you're gonna do something
for me, I'm gonna do something for you. Or is
this are we betting this on a player? Yeah? Well
is this a bet? Like? Is this some sort of Okay,
it's got to be a bet. Okay, what's a trucking
camp bet that we could do? Who do you let
me ask you this? We'll talk about this a little

(03:46):
bit more later. But who do you think starts for
the Raiders this year at QB? It's a great question.
I think it's Gardner Minshew, known question. I don't think
it's you think to start. I genuinely think it's gonna
be a O'Connell dude guard. They paid Gardner to come
in and be the starter, doesn't I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
There's one thing that I've learned in the NFL, especially
at the quarterback position, money means nothing, absolutely nothing.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
I think that I think Russell reacting.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
No, I don't think.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Russell Wellsburg did break the money Russell Russell Wilson.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
But Deshaun Watson. You think if he doesn't perform this year,
they're gonna be like, oh, we paid him so much,
we're gonna do they have.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
They have to one more, at least one more.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
They do they do, so I don't.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I mean, you can bench him, you can do all this,
but you can't eat that much dead cap that quickly,
especially if they're remotely serviceable. And I think what the
Raiders did, it's not the same thing. It's not like
they're worried about eating twenty to twenty five million for
the quarterback position. That's literally half price of what guys
are signing for. I don't think.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
I don't think Gardner Minshew was half of Jared Golf.
What did they pay Gardner Minshew? They paid him like
ten million.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
I think it's twenty five.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
They paid him twenty five, oh twenty five.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, So that's where I think that's a good bet.
I don't know that that pays out. Let's think of
a better one. Let's think of a better one. Let's
take a rookie, Lad mcconchney versus Xavier Worth, You and
your freaking mcconchney, Lad Mcconchneyla mcconchney.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, there's an extra end in there that you're pronouncing.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Mconky, Lad mcconkyn. Did it, I did it.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
There we go round of applasa.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Moving on, we got to get to the news.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
It's two year, twenty five million for minshew, So yeah, yeah,
it's it's a ten year ten or ten million per
year ish over a little.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Over, okay, Yeah, so yeah, yeah, you were right about
the average. I think it's gonna be Gardner. That's my
thought process. There. We'll find one by the end of
the show. But yeah, I wanted to lead off with
this news A story kind of picked up some steam
I looked into. It doesn't seem like it's really got
as much legs to it as I originally thought. But
there was a rumor that the Vikings were actually looking

(05:49):
to trade away Justin Jefferson during the draft and trade
up to take Malik Neighbors. Two thoughts and two questions
for you. One, I don't even think this is a
legitimate story. It sounds like it was the news was
broke by a Minneapolis beat reporter, not someone like. This
wasn't Scheffer, this wasn't Rapidport. So like, I'm not going
to take it to the bank that has as much legitimacy.

(06:11):
I don't know that it doesn't have any. I'm just
saying there's no way to verify, so I'm not going
to speculate too much. But Dylan, for you as a
Dynasty owner, because I heard this this week, Dynasty players
or fantasy football players are just sports nerds playing D
and D And I was like, that is, first of all,
how dare you? And I've never heard something. I have

(06:32):
never heard something more accurate in my life. But I'm
hurt and offended. But for you, like just taking it
to Dynasty and personalizing it, when do you like to
move off of a superstar like that? When do you
have the confidence to do that? Because you've done that
several times in several leagues that I played with you.

(06:54):
What is kind of the is a different reason each time?
Is it resetting the table? Because I know what my
indicators would be, but I don't I don't understand completely
why the Vikings would do it unless they're completely embracing
a rebuild. That would be what I would do it. Yeah,
so a couple first things.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
I'll answer the first part of that, not that it
was posed as a question, but the is it legitimate?
Is that? I think there's definitely some legitimacy to it.
I mean, you look at what the Titans did with
AJ Brown when it came time to pay him. I
don't know if the Vikings want to pay Jefferson because
we all know Justin Jefferson's gonna set the market. He's
going to break the record. He's gonna be the highest

(07:30):
paid wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
We know that.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
We know all that, right, Do the Vikings really want
to fork that up when they have TJ. Hawkinson on
that roster. They just drafted JJ McCarthy, They've got Jordan
Addison on that roster as well, Like, do they really
want to do that? I'm sure they're not. Like, no
one's gonna be mad at them for what essentially whatever
number they pay Justin Jefferson, it's owed right.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
I think we agree. I agreed you could pay in
quarterback money.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
I'd be like, well, everyone's just what he's done in
the first few years. So I think there's some legitimate
legitimcy to it.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Legitimacy misnouns pronounced, which which is worse.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
We go legitimity legitacy to it because I think they
don't want to pay him. It's kind of the same.
We're gonna We're just gonna buys that word because of
because of the contract. Yeah, your second question, when do
you move off of it? For the NFL, It's a
different story in fantasy. There's so many factors that come
into place, are coming to play. Like recently, I traded

(08:27):
Patrick Mahomes. Obviously he's the quarterback two for most people,
some quarterback one. He's my quarterback one, Josh Allen, Patrick.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Mahons as you can make.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
And Patrick Mahomes Right, I moved off of him. And
it wasn't because I mean, you know, it's not because
I'm not a Patrick Mahomes fan. I freaking love Patrick
Mahomes Texas Tech all the way through.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
You guys are there. It's the same time, right.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Literally went to Tech with Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Patty are basically best friends, right, like bro, Yeah, I
mean ordering drinks to the bar together.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, we're right there. Yeah, the whole thing. So it's
not that I don't like Patrick Mahomes, it's it's your
team build. And in that league, I was not very deep.
I had Patrick Mahomes and I had a Rich actually
as my quarterbacks, but surrounding pieces were like Antonio Gibson
at running back. I had you didn't have at the
time anymore. No, you had traded average No no, no, no, no.

(09:19):
This is I'm talking about, like just kind of how
I because I had both of them at the time,
got you got. I had both them, and I sold
both of them because I wanted to add depth. So
the point I'm making is like, it's all it's all
relative to your team. You can't. The reality is, even
if you have a Patrick Mahomes and Ariage and the
supporting cast isn't great, you're probably not gonna win a
championship if we're being honest. If we're being honest, you

(09:39):
can have the two best, you can have two great quarterbacks,
but if you're rolling out Courtland Sutton Antonio Gibson on
a week to week basis, it's probably not great. So
I think it depends on your roster makeup and if
you can afford to just hold them, even if you're
on a spot where they like may not produce, like
Justin Jefferson's injury, his the ambiguity with his contract. Like
if you can kind of wait that out and you're fine,

(10:01):
hold on to him. But if you can capitalize on
Justin Jefferson value, Patrick Mahomes value, flip them and build
your team on it. Just don't do don't flip them
for nothing.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, I mean, here's what I like about the trade
you made. You traded Patrick Mahomes and you've got a
superstar in Jefferson. Justin Jefferson back. You didn't trade it
for a bunch of dart throws. I don't think we
talk about enough how it's it seems cool to get depth,
but what if the depth is crap? And part of
what we're gonna do on the show is we're gonna
look back at our first year playing Dynasty football. Dylan
the ADP of the rookie drafts in honor of Justin Jefferson.

(10:32):
He was a part of that draft, which is, by
the way, crazy because we did one startup draft after
the NFL Draft, and we just lumped all the players
in we didn't do a separate rookie draft, which I
deeply deeply regret. But bro, you look back at that
data and it's like, holy cow, Like we'll get into
it tonight. You know, we're gonna look back to our
past to inform our future, which frankly we should have

(10:54):
done for the rookie drafts. For listeners like why did
we not? Why did we not pull this data earlier?
But I think it's important through OTAs to remember, like
draft capital means not nothing anymore, but it doesn't mean.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
It's Kua and tange Dell would argue and beg to differ.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
What do you mean that they draft capital means nothing
for them, but their examples the air examples of draft
capital meaning not much.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
I mean, you know that's what I'm saying, Like they
That's what I'm saying, Like they would beg to differ
at that draft.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Oh you were agree, you were hyping out, so you
see you arguing with me all the time. So I
assumed I was like, no, that we're actually that favors
my point. Yeah, No, same same exact page. And I
think with Justin Jefferson, he wasn't the touted fantasy superstar
coming out in that draft. I mean famously, Jalen Rager
was taking above him in both the NFL Draft and
spoiler alert in ADP they are tied in twenty twenty.

(11:45):
Can you imagine, Man, I gotta trust the Eagles situation.
Let me take this guy at the one away and
I don't know who this guy in Minnesota is. You know,
kudos to you when we talk about situation versus talent.
If you believed in the talent of Jefferson over the
situation of the Eagles would have worked out. But no,
I think that when it comes back going back to
the Vikings, I don't think they would move on from

(12:08):
him during the draft because I know you mentioned the
Eagles doing it that or the Titans doing it for
the Eagles with aj Brown that was literally one of
the worst things ever. That's the Traylon Burks pick. It
did not work out whatsoever. I think the Vikings are
a smart organization. That being said, resetting the money and
taking a Molik neighbors who you believe a lot in
which all this is to me, this news is hype

(12:30):
for Molie neighbors. If you have Molik neighbors, if there's
any amount of truth to this. You should be stoked
because a franchise was willing to go younger and see
the same potential or at least close to it. You've
got to get the mind too.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
You got to keep in mind they do have Jordan Addison,
who they took in the first round last year. Yeah,
like that can be a piece that's missed. They obviously
have confidence in him as well.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
I would simply think that they wouldn't trade someone like
Justin Jefferson on draft night. I don't know. I don't
know if.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
That's like, well, obviously didn't because I would like to
be that if the Giants had the opportunity to take
Justin Jefferson in the extan.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
They would have traded for it.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Plus they would have traded for it so well, And that's.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
That's my point, is like, I feel like you do
that deal in advance of the draft if you really
want to move Jefferson, because that's just so much to
consider and so much money because he is going to
need to be paid. But yeah, I don't think that
there's much validity to it. That being said, when he
resets the market, it's going to be interesting. I think
he's staying in Minnesota, And if you're a Jefferson owner,
all you're really asking is can he build rapport with

(13:29):
JJ McCarthy, Because well, that's the point I'm going to
bring up the other news out of OTAs. I've heard
some rumors that McCarthy is running with the threes right now, Dylan,
does that give you? For you? That's just music to
your ears because you're so anti JJ McCarthy. But do
you believe that all last long term? I mean, this
guy was a top fifteen pick.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
I mean, I mean, no matter how much I hate
on JJ McCarthy, do I think he's a talented QB.
I think he can make certain throws. I don't believe
in his consistency, and I don't believe in him taking
that next step at this level. He didn't really throw
the ball much in college. We don't have a whole
big sample size. I understand people say what he can
do in the five throws that he has made that

(14:09):
we see all over Twitter, he's great.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
I don't think that signing he also signed the camera
that was a really cool Heisman is concerning that one
of his best college highlights is him not playing football.
Isn't that shouldn't that take you something? Hey, he keeps
good company, you know what I mean. Like, it's all
about your sur it's about your network, you know what
I mean. When you're strounded with that team in the
National championship, it worked out.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Tell you he was a top fifteen pick. He was
a top fifteen pick. He's going to play. So do
I think he starts the season? Actually, don't think he
starts a season. I think most people, even stands of
JJ McCarthy, would say that he doesn't start the season.
Sam Donald gets Sam Donald starts it. What I think happens,
if I'm being completely honest, I think what happens a
lot to us. Okay, JJ McCarthy's awesome, there's my life guy.

(14:58):
You go. No, I think Sam Donald starts. I think J. J.
McCarthy comes in. I think JJ McCarthy blows it. I
think Sam Donald starts, And I think it's one of
those situations where, you know, we get those occasions where
it's like back you think it's kind of like Taylor
Heineck or the is that Taylor hen Taylor Heineke and
uh Desmond Ritter kind of backing. I feel like it's
one of that happens where it's.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Like Tua and Ryan Fitzpatrick had that for a number
of years.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Actually, it just ruins confidence for a quarterback. I'm worried
about JJ McCarthy not getting the confidence because he's got
a huge step to take, like from being a quarterback
that barely through in college to coming to the NFL
and making NFL throws. That's a huge jump. So if
you toss him back and forth, I just don't have
confidence in that.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
The only and I'll admit this got me into trouble
with Trey lance Love and it got a lot of
people into trouble with Trey lance Love. I trust Kyle
Shanahan a lot. I trust Kevin O'Connell quite a bit.
And so for me, if he decides to sit McCarthy
to start the season, I think that's actually a great
sign and I don't think that there will be a
flip flop.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Let me, I think that when he what if Sam
Donald starts? What if JJ McCarthy gets a shot looks
absolutely terrible, and then say looks absolutely terrible, then Sam
Donald gets put back in? Where do you stand on panther?

Speaker 2 (16:09):
No? No, at that point you need to sell right
away and in the hope, and that's enough of a
red flag for me where I'm like, I'm going to
capitalize on whatever rookie hype is left and someone else
can take this journey. I want to reroll. I want
to go take it on a different player, because there
was questions and red flags coming in. The entire selling
point of JJ McCarthy with the Vikings is the stability

(16:29):
of the situation that he is in. If the situation
seems unstable, fully out, panicking, done gone, and as many
people should have been with Trey Lanson and they just
trusted it for too long. Let's take a quick break, Dylan.
We're gonna remember that for commercial and when we come back,
let's look back to twenty twenty. Let's look at Justin
Jefferson's origins, and let's let's take away some lessons as

(16:50):
we inform ourselves as the season begins to creep ever closer,
even though it still feels so very far welcome back
in just coming off the heels of the Justin Jefferson news.
You know, we just do the rookie drafts, and we
spent so much time, so many episodes diving into our
favorite players situations, they're gonna come in and it's so
easy for rookie fever and hoping him to take you

(17:10):
to a place that every player you believe in is
gonna work out. After five years of doing this, coming
up on you know about five years now if you
include off seasons, uh, you know, to doing a show
or coming up on a second year doing the show,
I have realized that not every player I love, Isaiah Spiller,
Matt Corral is gonna work out. It's just gonna happen,

(17:30):
and it's gonna be bro time out. Do you want
to talk about a bad beat? Matt Corrall actually had
the door open, but he was injured and couldn't step
through it. Like Baker goes to the Panthers leaves the
team Sam like he would have been the PJ Walker,
that was the PJ Walker most relevant years, but Mat
Correll had a broken foot all season so he couldn't

(17:52):
be the guy.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
That's my Kellen Mandolo remember that draft we were like
fighting for Killen Mond and Matt Crow.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Oh yeah, that was twenty twenty. But I wanted to
kind of look back because it's like man Justin Jefferson,
Like where was he taken. And also for us, like
I said earlier, this that was our first ever rookie era,
that was our first ever rookie draft, didn't know how
to value them. Well, it turns out even though twenty
twenty is a historic class, I mean truly historic for

(18:18):
the amount of superflex fantasy hits that it provided. We're
talking Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts, who wasn't even drafted, by
the way in most leagues, He's not even on my
ADP list. Like these guys have worked out long term.
We're talking Joe Burrow to Joe Burrow to and Justin Herbert,
and obviously Justin Jefferson probably leads the back of all

(18:39):
those guys. But there are plenty of misses as well,
And so it's kind of a cautionary tale of like
what did we get wrong and why and what can
we be looking for in the OTA season that while
I don't think you should make grand decisions about, they
are threads that you should pay attention to and you know,
keep tabs on. I will remind you though Dylan during

(18:59):
OTA's Justin Jefferson was on with threes. In fact, it
didn't look like he was going to be a starter
going into the Viking season.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
The season he was like the third stream, Like he
didn't start until like he was on four games in
in re.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Draft leagues, he was completely on waivers. Like it was nuts,
you know, so absolutely crazy. But Dylan just to remind
people and you make we're gonna go through as much
of this list as we can and just kind of
talk about it. The one oh one in twenty twenty
most people should know. And if he've been playing Dnacy
a while running back Clyde Edwards a layer talk about

(19:31):
situation over talent. No one you know Clyde was was
paid attention to. He was like, this is a good
running back, Like we were excited for him in the
fantasy community, but him landing with Kansas City at pick
thirty two felt like cheating. They were in need of
a running back. It didn't seem like they had anyone
with juice. It was like, you know, I had visions

(19:52):
of who was it. Kareem Hunt had been there for years.
Remember when Kareem Hunt broke out his season, I was like,
this is Kareem Hunt two point oh, it's gonna be awesome.
I would have taken him at the one on one.
Had I had to pick there, obviously didn't age well, Dylan,
what went wrong? In your opinion?

Speaker 1 (20:08):
For the record, I would not have taken Clyde Edwards Hilaire.
You know I've always been a talent guy. I wouldn't
have We're not going to rehash that. But what do
I think about him being the one O one? What
did we go wrong? We went wrong because we did
situation over town. Clyde Edwards Hilaire did nothing except for
be good on a championship team that was surrounded with

(20:29):
Joe Burrow and Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase like of course,
like all you've got to do is run the ball
up the middle when they're spreading the defense out trying
to figure out how to cover these two superstar wide
receivers with Joe Burrow throwing, wheeling and dealing the ball
back there. They also had Taris Marshall, who was good.
So I think this is sound.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Like he didn't It's not like he didn't produce. Is
he had crazy goods?

Speaker 1 (20:51):
He produced, He did produce. He did produce, but he
was a pass catching back. Everyone's like, oh, he's going
to do great. Listen, this is the lesson on do
not take situation or time, or if you're going to
at least evaluate situation, evaluate the talent just as much
and make sure that you pay attention to go back
and watch your film. What what made him good? Because
if the situation that he's being plugged into isn't the same,

(21:13):
he's gonna fail. And I think that's what happened in
Kansas City.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
He went to one of the best officities in football.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
It's one of the best offices in football. Patrick Mahomes
throws the ball to everyone and they they deploy multiple
backs and that's been the same like they used Kareem
Hunt and Jamal Charles and all those guys pretty consistently.
But since then, how many passes is uh Isaiah Pacheco catching?

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Not many? McKinnon know, they use a commition.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
McKinnon was there with Clyde Edwards Laire it was the
same thing.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, but McKinnon has had more Fantasy relevant seasons in
the last two to three years.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Then that's what That's what I mean, that's the whole
talent is Like, there certain situations.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
I think what happened with Clyde is one. From an
NFL standpoint, he was never good at running between the tackles.
I remember his rookie season he had so many end
zone carries or you know, goal line carries that he
couldn't convert. But Checko does that incredibly well. But Jecko's
great between the tackles, and then he wasn't as good
of a pass catcher as someone they could sign off
the street. And you know, the Chiefs like to you,

(22:11):
We're not telling you any new information here. I'm simply
saying the reason we all missed on Clyde is because
we thought, Okay, this guy is going to be the
number one in an incredible offense, which, by the way,
he was. We did get an NFL season of seeing
that he was the RB seventeen his rookie year. There
were still opportunities to move off of him for cheap
or you know, get some value back, I should say,

(22:32):
and I think a lot of people did that. But Dylan,
who do you feel is the Clyde Edwards a layer
of the twenty twenty four Brookie class. Now that that's
in the rear view, who's someone that we've gotten too
excited about situation for that? You know, the talent really
isn't there. We need to ignore it.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
We just talked about him. You already know where I'm going.
It's J J. McCarthy. It's j J McCarthy. Everyone loves
the landing spot he has justin Jefferson, TJ. Hawkinson, Jordan Addison,
He's got the Kevin o'connelly. It's a great situation. He
just doesn't have the talent. You cannot look at the
situation and just get hyped on the situation without evaluating

(23:09):
the talent. I will say I wasn't high on bo
Nicks coming in, but I've watched a little bit more
on bon Nicks. I think bo Nicks has a better
chance of succeeding than J. J. McCarthy. Does I really do?

Speaker 2 (23:21):
And you're turning us into another anti JJ McCarthy show.
I asked the question it's my own fault, but like.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
But I mean it's true, Like am I wrong?

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Like?

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Are we maybe hyping up this situation a little too much?
If bo Nicks would have landed in Minnesota, we would
have done the same thing.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
I'd have been all in on bon next time, exactly
what I would say, quarter But quarterback is such a
different position than did the same time Bryce Young last year. Uh,
Bryce Young. I don't think failed from a talent perspective,
and I was never excited about the Panthers situation. So
I do not say that you.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
I'm saying generally, fantasy people had Bryce Young as the
QB one overall and last.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Year because just because he was taken one on one.
I think quarterbacks a much different position to evaluate, and
I don't want to get into all the the uh
nuances of that. I'm simply saying, yeah, I think Clyde
wasn't the best running back in the class, and that
was clear. I think there was a clear like imagine
someone had been taken above Marv and above Malik. I

(24:20):
don't think you and I at this point in our
Dynasty careers because the other thing is we go through
this list. I think the Dynasty community has gotten a
lot smarter in the last three or four years because
this is a super flex list. Keep in mind, and
two running backs in a class with Joe Burrow justin
Herbert are still taken ahead of them. So I think
that's part of the community change.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
The thing I'm making is like, I still don't think
we got it right, and I think that there's a
lot of people. You're talking about us as the dynasty exchange.
Obviously we yes, you know, we have a different thought
process than most I know a lot of other analysts
out there. J. J. McCarthy is our QB two QB two.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Dylan for me, for me right now. He is for me,
for me right now. He is because why though, because
I think the situation Because I believe quation is a situation.
But I believe as a position, quarterback is a situation
situational position. They did a study on all pros. I'll
include the data elsewhere, but like fifty percent of all

(25:14):
pros at the running back position were five star recruits
in high school. It's the highest hit rate of five stars.
Does that make sense? And the reason is the metrics
to make that position are so physical and so measurable.
There is not a whole lot in comparison to quarterback
having to go on between the years. It's an instinct.
That's not to say running backs are foolish or anything
like that. It is a you know, cerebral position just

(25:35):
like anything else.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
This running back sales not this there's nothing that pool
from this running back class.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
No, I agree, So I don't think that there's a
Clydewards alayer. From a that standpoint, I would say that
Xavier Worthy and it's similar thing. It's like trying to
get a piece of the cheese. Could be, could be?

Speaker 1 (25:52):
You know, actually so I actually I'll come back to
me on that one. When you were talking about Clyde
Edwards layer, I was going to say, like, don't let
cloud Edwards a layer.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
In fact, you're Xavier Worthy worthy because I like he
goes back and watch the film.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
The dude's talented, Like he's a wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
You could have said that about Clyde. I think.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
I think the main takeaway has been hyped for years.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
No, yes, he's a good he's a good player. I'm
gonna rescind that one. I don't fully fully believe that.
I often get back to you in my answer. I
think the takeaway here is the one. O two was
Jonathan Taylor, and going into the NFL Draft, it was
clear in everyone's minds, this is the best running back
of this class. This is an unbelievable college running back.
He should be the number one running back taken. But

(26:34):
we let the situation outweigh what we believe about a player.
I believe that Caleb Williams is actually the Clyde Edgson layer.
I'm gonna change my answer because we're so excited about Chicago.
Marvin Harrison should be the one on one. He's the
most talented player in this class. He's in the best.
Don't mess it up, don't overthink it, Harrison. Yeah, there
we go. I found it. I felt it just came

(26:54):
to me. Spirit was moving, Spirit of fancy football moving on,
because there's not much to say. Jonathan Taylor still a
top ten back, still a great fantasy asset, and still
a superstar. Unbelievable combine really should have been taken ahead
of Cliente. Anyway, guess who the one O four was?

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Dylan one O four of that year was Joe Burrow yep,
Oh my gosh, Javonte Williams.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Guess again. One of the best college receivers of his time.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
He was.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
I loved watching him in college.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Oh oh, best college wide receivers of his time.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Wow, I'll tell you. I'll just I'll say this much.
At this point in his career, he is just a guy.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Is it one of Jalen Rager or is it Jalen Rager? No,
He's just a guy. Steve Smith got into it when
he was in Denver. Oh, Jerry Judy, Jerry.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Judy, the four bro. He was the first time he
was even in that there's so many. He was drafted.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Ahead of d Lamb. He was drafted ahead of Justin Jefferson.
He was the He was the top of the pack
of that class. Although I do think Henry Ruggs, who
will get to later, these.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Are super flex. Are you sure this is super flex? Brother?

Speaker 2 (28:11):
This is super flex? ADP. I pulled the I'm telling
you we've gotten better as a commute, Yeah, we were.
I don't think quarterback. You know, we've had a lot
of young quarterback ascending. We've had quarterbacks be better than
ever before, younger, So I think that's part of it.
But Jerry Judy, how did we miss on this one?
What happened with Jerry Judy His You want to talk
about college production, it was there. You want talk about

(28:31):
loko on tape, it was there. You've loved him on
film in off seasons of last year, o tas you
were like, oh, he's a top fifteen receiver. At one
point last season after he wear routes on in.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
You gonna You're gonna hate my response to this question.
I'm still not out on Judy out talent bro. I
completely think he just was brought Bro. The Bronk is
a bad situation. Bad situation, dumpster fire. Yeah, and listen, situation.
I'm not saying when you hear me say don't, I'm

(29:02):
just saying, don't overvalue.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
No, this is a point for my argument about situations.
Jerry Judy is a victim of situation. I would agree.
It's interesting to think where where he would have been
and how good he could have been had he been
taken by a Cowboys, had he been taken by the Vikings,
because there are moments when it shows up on film.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
He's in he's in Cleveland. Now, I'm just saying he
can if he can just learn from his you know,
he did it before him at Alabama. Now he gets
to do it before him in the NFL. Now he
gets the mentor and Amari Cooper taking this young buck
underneath his wings, showing him the ropes. This is good,
good as that wide receiver. So I'm not out on

(29:41):
Jerry Judy.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Now.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Am I saying he's going to be the next coming
of Justin Jefferson, should he have been have taken should
he have been taken one oh four in that draft?

Speaker 2 (29:47):
No, but time out. We need we need to be clear.
We need to be clear about this, and we're gonna
take a quick commercial break after this. I'm remembering to
do that more often. I'm very proud of myself. But
we need to remember that none of us would have
had and Jefferson at the one four, none of us
were that in long now, none of us knew, like
the you have to trust the process you have for
evaluating players. Don't ever listen to this show and think

(30:10):
that what we're saying is we would have known. No,
we played at that time and we did not know.
The Only thing we can do is look back on
the pass and say where did we miss and why
did we miss? And some of these are completely out
of our control and completely out of your control, and
you have to trust the process you have. You cannot
just go wild and crazy and say, well cause I

(30:31):
like it. There's got to be a reason. You have
to have something tangible to make a decision on a player.
And what I'm saying in otaight during OTA season is
not much of OTA's is tangible. It's much better to
wait for something more actionable, like how they play on
the field. But Dylan, we're gonna take a quick break.
I apologize for the monologue. Actually I don't. It's fantastic monologue.
You're welcome, and when we come back, we're gonna get

(30:52):
through the one of five and hopefully into the second round.
So stay tuned, welcome back. We are going through and
really going down a trip through memory lane. We've been
talking about twenty twenty's ADP and the rookie draft that
took place. Just reminding ourselves that while we're all hyped
on the rookies, that we took every single one of
the rookies we took this year, Dylan in the first round,
gonna hit all, gonna work out the fantasy superstars, right,

(31:15):
no question, no boss. We just talked about Jerry Judy
at the one of four. The one o five is
actually tied. There's three players don't want to see if
you can guess the first running back, highly highly touted
in that class. It was a three running back class.
It was Clyde, Jonathan Taylor, and this running back.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Oh man, why am I drawing the plane? Jonathan Taylor
don't tell.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
You who drafted him. Yes, he was drafted by the Lions.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Oh, DeAndre Swift.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Duh, DeAndre Swift.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
That's because DeAndre Swift wanted or everyone wanted Yonder Swift
to be Clyde Clyde Edwards layer because if he would
have gone to the cheezs oh.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Oh, who knows what could have happened? No, I mean,
and he couldn't really stay healthy. Yeah, and I think
he was drafted injured too, if I'm remembering correctly, like
he went injuries at Georgia. Yeah. In general, Yeah, so
he was one of the running backs at one of five.
Obviously not a complete fantasy Bus had his best season
last year with the Eagles, is now on the Bears.
But the sense I'm getting is that during in twenty twenty,

(32:19):
we were all still way overvaluing the running back position
in super flex because or maybe it was just a
class we were excited about. Because immediately following him tied
at the one oh five, slightly ahead of a different
one oh five was JK. Dobbins, who, you know, you
want to talk about being a career being ruined by
an injury? How many times has he flashed on the
Ravens and this is the year of JK. Dobbins. I

(32:41):
was back in last year. I was so excited last year.
I was about to say this injury with everyone. Yeah,
it's just terrible. It's just terrible. You can't predict injury
by any stretch. But is there a running back, another
running back for you that you feel like never got
going because of injury that you're kind of like you
miss or want to you get a second chance.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Oh, I mean there's there's plenty of them, right, You've
got even like the No Sean Marinos, like those guys
that like are so the Monty Balls that like.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Coming like way back. You got some Denver running backs
in the back in the back pocket there.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
It's a Denver curse. And I was gonna say Javonte Williams,
like Johnson Williams, I think people it's a great out
on him right now.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, he tore his.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
A cl you know, he didn't do great last year.
If he stayed healthy, I mean, bro, the dude was
just dominating. So I mean mine would be Javonte Williams.
I hope that he can get back to what his
value was and not have another stack.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
He was after year he was a top ten rookie
running back on keep trade cutting in everyone's minds. He
showed him a ton in his rookie season, very similar to.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
JK, can you imagine I just I said it, But
can you imagine Deontay Foreman if he doesn't tear an achilles?

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Oh? Bro?

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Like that?

Speaker 2 (33:52):
I mean what I is Todd Gurley never gets arthritis
of vine. Like that's the big one for me. Like
that's a whole generation, Like we had a Yeah, like
Gurley and McCaffrey were both doing their thing in twenty nineteen,
twenty eighteen. I was like, Okay, this is gonna be
sick and.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
We're talking about is exactly why the value on the
running back position has declined so much because of that volatility.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Well, this is why you shouldn't build around running backs.
This is why when I'm trading back for picks, it's like, hey,
there's not a single one of these guys. It doesn't
matter how much I believe in the prospect. The chances
of them getting injured is just it feels so much higher,
and you can you can have a prospect who's in
a great situation like the Ravens and JK. Dobbins, who
is a great player when he gets the ball, because
that happened and injury just takes it away. I mean

(34:32):
cam Akers also on this list, he's the one oh seven,
but in between the imagine this by the way, Actually
i'll bring this analogy up later. Loading I'm talking about
stockpiling picks, and I'm just doing a scenario in my
mind where it's like, dude, Okay, I have seven picks
in twenty twenty, I took at the one oh five JK. Dobbins,
I had the one oh four as well. No worries,
I got Jerry Judy. Oh, I'm gonna take a QB.

(34:55):
It's too like you know what I mean, Like two
is fine, by the way, but you missed out of
Burrow and yeah yeah uh see Lamb.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
I question for you, question for you before we moved
to see Lamb going back to you said it and
we're we're pretty big on this podcast about not building
around the running back position. Yeah, if you are rebuilding,
do you hold on to Jamior Gibbs and Jon Robinson?

Speaker 2 (35:20):
No, you really should, I mean define rebuilding like, are
you maybe one year away? You puctive struggle, productive struggle,
hang on doing type. Okay, definitely hang on to him.
Here's the other thing. There becomes a let's take Alvin Kamara,
Christian McCaffrey, like they're coming up on their age twenty
eight age twenty nine seasons and they've still been producing.
And so sometimes we tell ourselves, I mean, Josh Jacobs,

(35:42):
who I'm a hater of, if you look back at
his career, he's been so much more productive for four
or five years than so many of these wide receivers
that were like, well, he's a young wide receiver, like
I will.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Only twenty six.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Well I would have told people last year, like go
trade for you Han Dotson still like not like from
the rooftops, but that was a young receiver. I still was.
I believe in that guy. I'd have happily traded it
away David Montgomery and then some for John Dodson. The
odds are David Montgomery is gonna probably outscore Johan Dodson
for the rest of his fantasy career. Like, you know,
I'm not out on Dotson completely. I still hold the torch.

(36:14):
It's just it's harder, right, Like, so I think there
becomes a level of like, Okay, it depends on what
you're getting back. But if you can go to a
contender and get some really really stout future capital, like
really early projected picks or a quarterback or you know
something like that that you really need to rebuild, I
would still do it. Because running backs get old really quickly.

(36:35):
Like once a running back is twenty five, Dude, I
turned into Leonardo DiCaprio. I ain't dating him no more
like he's off my team.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
If I can tell this, if you're if you're in
a rebuild, you need a second QB you have on
your roster. Yeah, the first QB is whoever right, You've
got that situation figured out.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Let's say you've got a top ten guy, you trust it.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah, decent wide receivers. Do you trade Bijon? Are you
willing to get rid of Bijon for Will No, Will
Levis and Zay Flowers?

Speaker 2 (37:03):
No? No, no, no, no no no no, Because here's
what I'll say. I think Bjon is going to recoup.
This is the realtor in me. It's like, listen, we
missed the market to sell him when he was the
one on one. He had a disappointing rookie year. Atlanta
is an ascending offense. We're trusting that Kirk Cousins is
going to fix a lot of issues, and if he's
not there, at least Michael Penis is probably better than
desen Rinter and Taylor Heineke. Let him go out and ball.

(37:25):
If you're going to sell a running back, wait till
NFL games are played, because the running the injuries hit everyone.
And if if Bjon's healthy, you're treating a superstar running
back in season to a contender, they're gonna pay even more. So,
Like when I say sell you right now.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
On JJ McCarthy, would you do JJ McCarthy and Addison stack.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
For Bjon McCarthy and Addison for Bjon? Straight up? I'd
consider it heavily. Yeah, Yeah, the price is right. I
would have to really think about that. I I I'm like,
I'm not anti Addison, but he's not now similar value
on keep trade cut George Pickens, it's a done deal.

(38:05):
It's a done deal.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
You can get with Minshew and you take it.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
If you can get my guy on top of the
of the of the young QB you believe and then yes,
then yes I would. I would be more than willing
to do it. Ceedee Lamb at the one of five
you want to, I got something for you. Guess the
stat line. It's two different players. I'm I'm totally breaking
my own rule. I make all these rules like pre production,

(38:31):
like oh, we need to be more focused on this
as the show, and I don't sat more scattered the better. Uh,
Ceedee Lamb. What do you think his rookie or his
sophomore season look like from it? Because it's really a
slow burn for Ceedy Lamb. It was kind of a
consistent had a decent rookie year, but it was overshadowed
by Justin Jefferson obviously only had nine hundred years. Yeah,

(38:54):
his sophomore year, what do you think he had?

Speaker 1 (38:56):
I remember it not being good because we were on
this podcast. I remember saying not good. I think we
expected more. Okay, but I remember coming on the podcast
and saying like, can CD be a one? Is he
gonna step up? When is he gonna step up? As
a Cowboys fan? I love CD? And then short enough
he comes out and does what he did this year.
I'm gonna say in his sophomore year.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
He probably his third year, he had thirteen hundred yards.
He broke out what do you think he had his
sophomore year?

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yeah, so I said his sophomore year. His sophomore year
he probably had. I'm gonna say, nine to fifty yards
on nine hundred and fifty yards more than that more?
Oh he hit eleven hundred he did? Oh?

Speaker 2 (39:36):
What did?

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (39:38):
All right, I'm gonna read you a stout line. You're
you're gonna guess if it's Cedde Lamb or other? Is
this CD lamb stout line? One hundred and six targets,
sixty three receptions, eleven hundred and forty yards, five touchdowns.
Is that Ceedee Lamb?

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Or no?

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Sixty three receptions?

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Yeah? Other it is other? Less receptions, ceed Lamb? What
is seventy million for eleven oh two and six?

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Who's the sixty three reception? That's crazy?

Speaker 2 (40:08):
For eleven hundred and forty yards five touchdowns?

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (40:11):
George George Pickens? Very similar? Very listen to me right now.
Pickens season is listen. It's very similar sophomore seasons. And
I would argue, not even argue, it's a fact on
a way worse offense. Only I can take to show
about twenty twenty to Cede Lamb Okay, I'm saying the
journey is similar. You believe in the talent and it

(40:34):
slowly develops. If you had sold Ceed Lamb after his
sophomore season, you would miss out on one of the
top three. Unbelievable guys. There's not a lot of takeaway
and most people who had Ceed Lamb I feel like,
would have held waiting.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
On they knew, they knew.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yeah, there are those tinkerers out there. Yeah no, but
there are tinkerers out there. Listen. In our first two years,
we're still big time traders, won't make a trade any time,
but we've both gotten better at like, hey, how does
this make sense for my team? There are people out there.
If you're new to Dynasty, you just want to make
a trade with any warm body you have. You need
to plant your flag on some guys and say, hey,
I'm willing to take this all the way. I'm willing

(41:12):
to see this develop. And then there are guys you
got to move off of as soon as trouble comes.
And that's to me who the one of seven was
in cam Akers. You want to talk about injury again,
cam Akers Man, I thought last season like was gonna
be his year. I thought the offense. He's gonna be
the lead running back for LA. Kyron Williams comes out
of nowhere and freaking steals his entire everything, but Cam

(41:36):
who knows if he did it to himself. It seemed
like there was bad blood there.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
I mean injuries, injuries, yes, Achilles, ca Makers injury and
the Minnesota and boom pops and Achilles again, it's.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Crazy, is that's the one of seven? But like keep
in mind, we've mentioned like this is tied for ADP
one two, three, four, five, six, seven. We're coming up
on play eight, So you got multiple players at the
one oh nine. Henry Ruggs the third off field issues

(42:06):
and by the way out of nowhere, it felt like
it wasn't like Henry Ruggs like had a problem that
we knew of. Literally, it's just like boom news story.
Really sad, terrible how that turned out. I think you
got to set that pick on fire, right, You got
to just say, hey, it is what it is. There's
no lessons. You can't I mean.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
There's no yeah, there's no forecast that you can't Yeah,
you can't project, yeah, any just can't make it unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Finally we get to the one on nine. Justin Jefferson
was the one oh nine around the one ten in
rookie drafts, depending on your draft. How would you have
seen it coming? You know what I mean? Like, how
would you've had the courage to stay? The start of
the rookie year was terrible? It was just awful.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Yeah, but it goes back to what we were talking about earlier.
If you truly were a film junkie, if you paid attention,
I mean, go back and watch Justin Jefferson film. Now, honestly,
that's what you should do. The players you miss on
go back and watch their film and say, what the
heck did I miss or was it just I didn't
like the situation? Like if that's the case, then maybe
you should not care about the situation so much. But

(43:04):
go back and watch the film, because if you watch
Justin Jefferson film, it's yeah, he was unbelievable, unbelievable, Like
he just I mean broke fans or broke college football.
So and that was with Jamar Chase on the field
with him. So I mean, I think that's it. I
think we've just learned a lot to actually not overvalue
situation and watch a little bit more film to know

(43:26):
what we're looking for and what we want to do.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Who out outside of Marvin Harrison, Molie Neighbors, by the way,
both for both of us pop on film right, there's
just no question whatsoever there's we both love Keon Coleman.
Is it the film for Keon Coleman? Or is there
someone else that pops for film? Who do you have
a strong conviction on that? Maybe we haven't chatted about
this show, maybe not justin Jeff Jefferson levels, but like
as you would say, you've pounded the table for this

(43:50):
player for a long time. Is there anyone that you're like, dude,
any position? By the way, You're like, I really believe
in this.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Player at Michael Pennis Junior for me, like I truly
believe in Michael Penick Junior. Like he to me is
my QB two hands down QB three arguably because I
have or sorry I said QB two. He's my QB
three arguably the QB two for me. Yeah, Drake May
is QB one for me. And then when it comes

(44:16):
to Caleb Williams and Michael Pennocks Junior, I'm telling you, bro,
like on film, Mike watching Michael Pennings junior. That dude
can put the ball wherever he wants, when he wants it.
And you just see him if you watch him back
at his Indiana Who's your days, you see how much
he progressed and grew as a passer of the football
because back at Indiana he was very much a run

(44:37):
heavy quarterback. He was a dual threat quarterback. Yeah, a
light on his legs a lot. So if you show
me that, I am bought into it. So I think,
even with this situation in Atlanta or whatever, I'm taking
the talent and I say they drafted him eighth overall
for a reason. Give me Michael Pinnix' June.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
He's going to get to start. He's absolutely gonna get
to start in the NFL at some point. Yeah, I
think it's it's a great situation. The question is how
patient can you be? Depending on your bill. The great
thing about nasty football is nine times out of ten,
ninety nine times out of one hundred, nine hundred and ninety
nine times out.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Of the quarterback position, you don't.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Have fans do you have to please? So you can
hold this guy for no consequence. You lose out on
Pennix if you sell him before he gets the chance
to play the NFL games, if you believe in his
conviction now and you pay that, don't make the mistake
of holding him and then be like, well I'll take
I'll cash out now, Like unless it's unless someone's paying
you Josh Allen money in terms of dynasty capital, don't

(45:32):
do it.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Just hang on and in most drafts he's going early second.
I mean that's a low risk, high reward.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Well there, we're gonna take a quick break and we're
going to get to the early second. We're going to
talk about Man, you want to talk about a minefield, dude,
it's crazy to think that, Like already imagine I told you, hey,
I've got the one of four, I've got the one
O nine. I'm taking Henry Ruggs, I got Jerry Judy,
Henry Ruggs, I'm taking you know, Jalen Rager. By the way,
Jalen Rager not even worth mentioning at the one O

(45:59):
nine as well. Like you could have missed on all
these picks, but since you're listening to the show, you
never will. That'll never happen to you ever again. So
stick with us right after this as we kind of
begin to wrap. You know, it's the beginning of the
end of this show for certain, as we kind of
come to the end of the first round of the
twenty twenty rookie Draft. You know, Joe Burrow finally gets

(46:21):
to the nod at the one to eleven. I feel like,
I don't know where this ADP was. I do know
where the ap was pulled from. It was pulled from
over fifteen hundred Dynasty Football drafts on Sleeper through Fantasy Calculator.
Thats where're getting the data. Joe Burrow, I think med
went at least in the mid first in the drafts
that we will know. We loved to him with our
startup now so we have no story to tell. But

(46:44):
Joe Burrow, man, you want to talk about like a week,
imagine you panicked on Joe Burrow. He had a great
flash in his rookie season, was on track, and then
he tears his ACL right gets injured. What if you
panic sold? Regretful? Would you be? Is there anyone that
did that?

Speaker 1 (47:01):
I wonder, I don't know. I don't know of a
lot of people that panic sold. I think, yeah, once
you saw you had so much confidence in that like
a torney. Co wasn't going to do tear you for that,
and you're gonna hold him like you weren't getting anything
for Joe Burrow after you.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yeah, no, I agree. I think that was that was
a stronghold. And then obviously they draft Jamr Chase the
next year and they both take flights. So I think
Joe Burrow just an awesome pick. If you have him
in Dynasty, congratulations and good for everyone who's from Cincinnati.
You don't have a lot to be proud of in
life because you're from Cincinnati, but you got Joe Burrow. Gosh,
there's one guy in our league. No, there's one guy
in our league who's like a big Ohio guy and

(47:39):
he the Bengals are his team. So I'm really just
trying to diss him. You know you are, Philis ening
Brooks following Joe Burrow was the stack at receiver. Man.
This was a loaded class at receiver, but it feels
like the first round was all topsy turvy other than
Ceedee Lamb and Jefferson who were not taking at the
top of their tiers. T Higgins at the one twelve
amazing wide receiver two for Fantasy Wide receiver two. That's

(48:01):
a hit to me.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
At the one twelve I was about to say, is
that a hit? I think that's a hit. If you
solid wide receiver two at the back of the first round.
That's like if lad mcconkney, as you'd like to say,
Ladi mcconky or or Ricky lad mc is a wide
receiver two, you're stoked la MC.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
You know, it's fantastic, dude, I was. I was thinking
about this too, Like, imagine, imagine loading up on picks
and trading back. Then okay, man, I'm gonna get to
the top of the first back and second if you
went one twelve to Higgins, two to one Brandon Ayuk,
which we've talked a lot about Brandon eight yuk already,
that's one bro. That would give you such unrealistic expectations

(48:39):
of most rookie classes. Like if you had the one twelve,
two O one and just did that every.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Year, you're an eternal rebuild after that, you're just accruing
for you Like I'm the master of draft.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
I can just I took t Higgins and Brandon a
look at my wide receiver room. You know, that's honestly
a little bit how Mike is because he came. He
started Dynasty last year. It bro I took Tank Dell
in the third, I took a Coola, I took I
traded for c J. Strout And like Mike, I get it.
I'm just letting you know. It's that's not always. It's
not always gonna happen that way.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
It's just not that.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
But yeah, you're on a roll one O twelve one,
twelve to one. But imagine you have a my guy.
Imagine you're at the two, the guy at the two two.
Imagine you took him at the two one instead of Brandon.
I you because you didn't love the situation in San
fran Do you even know who this is or where
he was drafted? And Gandy Golden wide receiver washing he
was drafted by.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Oh I was about to say he was dropped about Washington,
not not yeah, San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, No, that's how you, Oh, Antonio, Gandy Golden. I
don't even know what happened. I don't know why it
worked out. I know the commanders have been a bit
of a bat. I will say this and this is
my this is my takeaway. I talked about it last
show with the Titans. If you feel a franchise is
a bit of a dumpster fire, that there's gonna be
instability at the GM or the head coaching position, which

(49:55):
you can't predict completely as a dynasty owner, but you
know who the bad teams are in the league. You
know what I mean? Like you do. It's it's just
a reality you can avoid in the second round. I
tend to avoid players going to bad or unstable situations.
This is a definite. We have no idea if Antonio
Gandy Golden was supposed to work out in the NFL

(50:16):
because he went to a dumpster fire of a situation.
But dude, imagine taking him above Tua tongue of I
looa at the two o three. What a journey was
if you held onto him, because really it was what
two years ago when he finally broke out and then
and then there was tons of injury concerns. This last
year was the first year steady fantasy producer and no

(50:37):
crazy injury in being in the news. Tua owners are
just now enjoying the stability of the quarterbacks position because
it felt like for a while it was the cards
were stacked against him. Yeah, yeah, no, it was Rocky
two o five, two o six. Fun to mention, dude,
Denzel Mims. I was a Denzel Mims believer.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
People held on to Denzel Mims until last season.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Yeah, well you're just hanging on to hope. Hey, Zach
Moss two o six, he's gotten some juice, man. I mean, now,
if you have Zach Moss right now, you're stike. If
you had him last year, your your hype. I feel
like he hit your waivers in most leagues A couple
of times. He shuffled through two o seven, Leviscus Channault,
man oh Man went to the Jags. Here's what's painful

(51:21):
about the two o seven. At the two o eight,
you have Justin Herbert another top eight QB, and it
gets worse from there, bro, Like, can you imagine just
how I keep going back to it? But like imagine
just having a ton of capital in that class looking
to rebuild your team, and you hit Leviscus Channault and
Denzel Mins and you know, uh, just Joe Justin Herbert

(51:45):
was eight. Yeah wait, John John Ross, Why am I
thinking Henry Ruggs speed? I guess Henry Russ was really
fast at the combine too. You dropped Henry Ruggs and
you know Lewiskus Chenault instead of Brandon I U Cante Higgins.
You're kicking yourself through years later. It probably flushed that memory.
Also at the two o eight Tide, Michael Pittman Junior
really solid receiver borderline.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
He was in that class too.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
I mean he's still loaded. Class twenty twenty is as
good of a rookie Dynasty draft class in a recent
memory that I can find data on because also we're
not even gonna get to it, but I think I
mentioned it earlier. Jordan loved Jalen Hurts also in this class.
So even those late late dart throws that at QB
really really panned out. So Michael Pittman, where do you
have Michael Pittman? Do you take him above A T. Higgins?

(52:31):
Do you take like, where do you rank him?

Speaker 1 (52:33):
He's above T Higgins for me. I mean he's got
the contract, he's the wide receiver one on his team,
and he's paired with Anthony Richardson. So you've got to Yeah,
you've got to put him.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
You know, Michael Pittman Junior reminds me of right now,
Michael Thomas, Like in his prime. We forget how good
Michael Thomas was, but yeah, Michael Pittman doesn't do any
one thing where I'm like, oh my god, wow. But
he's just incredibly solid at so many, so many levels,
and occasionally he's just really competitive at the at a
contested catch. So I'm a fan and Michael Pitman gets
a lot of targets man the rest of this list

(53:04):
two ten, two eleven, and three oh two. kJ Handler
do you remember Brian Edwards? You want to talk about
winning ot and Edward Rowyane Edwards junior wide receiver for
the Raiders, had so much hype every off season for
like two to three years, and it was like is
it Henry Ruggs or is it Brian Edwards? You know,
he gets a lot of hype like that, but had
actually produced more Romeo Dobbs. I remember when Romeo Dobbs

(53:25):
came out. I was like, this is the next Brian
Edwards junior. He's shown a little bit more juice than
that three O two key Shan Vaughan three oh three,
your original sleeper pick that made you look like you
knew what you were doing in Dynasty, and you've only
only gone on to prove us wrong with that. But
Antonio Gibson, which, by the way, we got to bring
this up, Dylan. I actually planned this entire show just

(53:47):
to confront and let the listeners know what a terrible
actual manager you are and that they shouldn't be taking
your advice. You. Who did you pick up for five
FAB today?

Speaker 1 (53:56):
I don't want to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
No, No, we have to talk about it in in
League of Record or no in cartel. Either way, you
dropped Antonio Gibson by accident.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
To pick up who Chase Claypool.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
By the way, Chase Claypool three six, same class listen.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
I literally thought I was dropping Michael Carter. So when
Waivers went through and I went and looked, I was
like Antonio Gibson. So now it's going to be a
freaking frenzy tomorrow morning seeing who picks up.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
I mean, he's a serviceable player. I'm interested in how
much FAB are you bidding to undo your mistake? I
tell you I'm bidding eighty two. Better be higher than
eighty two.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
We'll see it's gonna be higher than eighty two.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Better be.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
I'm juicing it.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
He's not worth that. I'm only ever gonna try.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
So I'm so devastated that I even made that mistake.
It's just so stupid. Such rookie amateur's ever done that.
In the five years of playing Fantasy Dynasty.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
I don't know. Man, the story of your co owner
trading away to Higgins for beans vacation no longer.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
He's no longer to be spoken of.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
He was a drake too. He's hiding for multiple reasons. Well, Dylan,
it's been a fun trip down memory lane, and it's
important to remember some of these players. Uh Aj Dillon
three h three. That was another fun running back to
take a lot. I think I took him that year.
But it's important to remember so many of these names
that we know now were not hyped superstars going into
their rookie seasons. They really weren't. And so it's just

(55:33):
important to remember that you can win the draft, and
you can get a draft grade. You know, you can
plug in your players to keep trade cut, which I
still recommend doing it. It's a helpful tool, but it's
a speculation just like anything else. Do not count your
chickens before they hatch. Be patient with your wid receivers,
be patient with your quarterbacks, and don't drop usable running

(55:53):
backs to the waivers for literally nothing. Dylan Dylan, any
final thoughts before we head out today.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Yeah, don't get too wrapped up in OTAs. As much
as I like to say, Josh, you and I talked
about this. OTAs are a leading measure in certain instances,
So take what you can and act accordingly, but do
not overreact. Now the fact that you hear JJ McCarthy's
going with the third string quarterbacks, don't latch onto that, but.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
You should definitely follow it away. Definitely.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
You should definitely file it away and pay attention to
it because if he comes out at training campus a
third string quarterback, that's a problem. So some of these
are lead measures to be paying attention to, but do
not overreact. And that's all I Dylan Dylan Consulting Services.
Come on, look at you leading and lagging measures. I
love that measures.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Let's call a business major over here is fantastic? Does
you do it for the dnastic change? Thank you so
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