Tinker Responsibly

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I mus see if you were a nineties kid or
even perhaps the two thousands kid is included in this
group as well.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
No doubt, if you grew up in suburbia, there was
always that one parent that was like, listen, in high school,
I know the kids are gonna drink. I would rather
have them drink at my house where I can watch them,
rather than them doing it elsewhere. Maybe that didn't happen
for you personally, you didn't see that firsthand at some
high school party. I know, at least for Dylan, he

(00:35):
definitely did. Maybe you saw in a movie because that
was very famous during the two thousands. I think of
mean girls, the mom that was like, hey, you guys
need anything, some snacks, some condoms. There are enabling parents
in the world, and as young parents, that's not something
we strive to be. But the reality is we're gonna
have to be for this show because Dylan, it is

(00:56):
tinkering season, and one of the worst things you can
do is Dynasty owner is start making a bunch of
stupid trades in the middle of the off season when
we really don't know much of anything. We only have
whispers on Twitter, we have ot it, but like no
real football is being played. No roster cuts are being made,
and you can rework your roster completely in the off

(01:18):
season and over tinker it into oblivion just based on whispers.
So you shouldn't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
No, you shouldn't, but we.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Know you're going to, so we would rather you do
it responsibly. So this show is some approved tinkering by
and Sell. Dylan is back in studio. It's good to
have you here, man, But listen, we got to give
the people what they want, maybe not what they need.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
The reality is, you know, we can't brush pa. You
were just flying a seven thirty seven and the doors
are flying off and the panels are flying off, and
I don't know how you landed that plane because I
had no freaking clue where you were going with that. Really,
you were literally like crash landing. I had no idea
what was going on. But it's good to be back.

(02:04):
It's been a minute. It's been a whole week two.
I miss one regular episode and then a bonus episode,
so I got sick. I'm feeling better, glad to be back.
My MAVs are in the Western Conference finals. It is
a great day. It is a great day.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Josh I love it. It's it's good to have you back,
and I'm I can't do those intros where I literally
just take the plane off and like cause someone else,
you know, to Thomas, who's been awesome. I hope to
have Thomas on frequently. Michael Hawley like fantastic, hope that
he stays a friend of the show. Shout out both
of them, thanks for coming on. If I start to
show like that with them, they're gonna be like, hey,

(02:40):
did you did you know we're recording? I don't. We're
just like you gotta trust the process. You gotta know
what's going on. But no, man, I mean that one
was easy for me because I was I was talking.
I don't know if I was talking with you or
Mike over the phone. You and I did a trade,
is what it was. I was talking to Mike about
you and ice trade. So in not the league of record,

(03:01):
but darn close to it. You and I both have
teams ready to compete in playoffs. Both of us have
great wide receiver rooms. You just traded Mahomes for Tua
and Justin Jefferson. I was mad at you because your
team's really good. My team's really good. And I ended
up selling you Mark Andrews, and I was having a
we'll get into the trade. But I was having a
conversation with Mike and I was like, you know, man,

(03:21):
I'm always scared to do deals this time of year
because early in my Dynasty career, I would have like
thirty or forty transactions between May and July, and I
look back on those like, what what was I doing?
Like what I was just I was craving action. And really,
all Dynasty players, if you're listening to this show, if
you're listening to a fantay football show in late May
early June, you're a degenerate like so, and we know

(03:44):
you're gonna tinker Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
You know me, We've been in leagues together. This is
I'm freaking tinker Bell. Like when it comes to this
time of the year, I'm like, and I mean tinker
Bell actually as Mike, Mike is Tinkerbell, that dude. Name changes,
waiver wire, pickups, all of it, all of it. Yeah,
I thought I was bad, but I don't go as
far as the name changes. But I mean picking up people,
putting in trades, and then by the end of the
off season, you're like, dang, I had so and so,

(04:07):
and if I would have just held them from Andre
Stevenson from three years ago, just a bummer. This is
this is the over tinkering season, So don't be tinker Bell.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Do you want to get really quickly just into the
trade that you and I executed before? I mean, yeah,
it's like I think it's I think it's pretty important
to talk about because I think people care. So you,
I had Mark Andrews, Isaiah Likely, and Jake ferguson non
tight end Premium League, and speaking of like, here's the reality.

(04:37):
The whole point of the show is to tell you
you probably shouldn't tinker unless, of course, you know you
have players you need to move on from. Like I'm
not saying if you're in a rebuild, don't be active,
don't go try to sell things for picks if the
opportunity arises. But you and I had, like I said,
similar teams, seatpot receiver rooms. I had kind of the
elite tight end advantage, but you were more depthy What

(04:59):
for you compelled you to still? You and I both
believe in Mark Andrews, especially next season, but you gave
up David and Joku, Christian Watson and a twenty twenty
seven second, I'm far out there for Andrews Unlikely. What
why'd you pull the trigger? Because I know why I did.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, you said it. I mean I was I had
a lot of depth at the wide receiver position. I
mean that team in particular, I'm pretty loaded with my
first three wide receivers. I have Tyreek Hill, Drake London,
and Justin Jefferson, so I had the depth to kind
of spare, and I had in Joku and I just
and I have Watson also, Deshaun Watson, So I was

(05:39):
kind of banking on that, but I mean I looked
at the games and I just wasn't super confident with
in Djoku. You have the other option of having Ferguson,
which is great.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
For me, I had in Djoku and then my backup
was Hunter Henry, So you know, it didn't feel good,
and so I wanted to make my lineup as strong
as possible. So I gave up a little bit of
depth to do that. And I feel way better going
into the season with Mark Andrews instead of David and
Joku in that position, and then having Likely, because like
we talked about during negotiations, if you're trading for Mark

(06:08):
Andrews right now, you better be trading for Likely because yeah,
he is the next man up, and we saw that
last year.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, I mean Likely was a tight end one. I
think he was a top five guy in the weeks
that Andrews was gone towards the end of the season,
I know he was for me. So definitely a must
have in all trades. I think it's really interesting in
the League fourmats. I feel like in smaller leagues, like
ten team leagues, you got to chase the superstars. Who
cares about your bench, you know what I mean? And

(06:34):
the league that you and I are talking about is
a twelve team league, and it feels right on the
bubble of like it really comes down to your stars,
but it feels like no one has enough stars in
general to overpower one of the others. So for me,
I was looking at it. I was a really top
heavy like team last year. I had a really strong
starting lineup and my bench was a little weak. I
was looking at it this year and I felt the

(06:54):
same way. The other thing is that I actually really
believe in Jake Ferguson. I think he's going to be
a very, very, very good tight end this year. I think,
you know, especially in favorable matchups, and I feel the
same way about Djoku and with tight end unless it's
a tight end premium league, I prefer to stream the
position anyway and chase matchups. And so that just felt better.
The bonus of Christian Watson, I think he can still
be great, great boom bust, flex play similar things.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
So let me have Jordan Love.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, so the stack was also attractive, but we will
see if I'm regretting that, you know, come, but keep.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
In mind, this is also a league that was It's
we're a year removed from the startup, so yeah, there's
not a lot of shake up. There's no like super
teams quote unquote right right, Like we're not that far along.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
So our teams are, they're starting to become a class above.
I think your team, my team, and like two other
teams are clearly like, hey, our window, the championship window
barring injury, feels very open right now.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
But that's so well to go to what you were saying,
just to go back to the tinkering part, like I
think you don't want to overtinker, but you also don't
want to be super passive and not do anything in
the season, and don't be scared to make moves. So
I want to caveat what we were talking about with overtinkering,
because this is also the time where you call your
shot if you want. I say this every year, if

(08:10):
you want to go get your guy, go get your
guy super early on before OTAs, before training camp, before
all of that, because call your shot. And if you
have a conviction about a guy, go get him now,
because the price for that guy probably is only going
to go up as they get into the jerseys and helmets.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
You know, Uh, you're not wrong about that. I think
rookies are at a premium right now. I think that, Yeah,
the rookies.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
You can probably wait. You can wait until.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
There's a season for all players. Yeah, if you want
to just sell a rookie right now, you'll get a
crazy good return simply because the draft just happened, we
just had their photoshoot come out. They're all over social media.
If you want to ride the media hype train and
sell well, but no, I'm just laughing because the reality
is trading a big piece like in Andrews. Like if
you're trading someone in your starting line. If I would

(08:56):
say just take a day or two to think about
it before you send the offer. That's all. I sound
like the parent. Listen, just don't take your keys. I don't,
just don't. It'll be fine, so much better.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
As uber now, So kids better. No, I don't even
know if you can get an over under eighteen. Just kidding.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Why are we Why don't we need to go to death?

Speaker 3 (09:14):
I don't know. I got way to the weads of
thinking about that.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Well, I mean, I mean, we can go down this
rabbit trail a little bit. But like growing up in
Texas and it being so stereotypical to like what was
on TV that high schoolers did. And I don't know
if that was because in Texas you have so little
to do because you're just competing all the time in sports.
But like the high school parties were pretty like on

(09:40):
par with what you would expect. Like if you told
chat Gpt to write a scene at a high school
party from a movie, I promise you that you and
I would have been like, oh, I remember that that happened.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
But the funny thing is is, you know I live
out in San Diego now, I grew up in Texas,
and everyone out here always asks me what was Texas
really like Friday Night Lights? Talking about the TV show,
They're like, is it really like Friday Night Lights? Like
where you grew up? And I was like, Okay, I'm
gonna be completely honest with you, and when I tell
you this, I'm not lying. If anyone from Texas listens
to the podcast, I would love to hear if you agree.

(10:13):
I say most of what happens in the Friday Night
Friday Night Lights TV show is real. I say about
eighty seventy to eighty percent of it is actually true.
And then there's like twenty to thirty percent of it
that's dramatized because it's a TV show, right.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, people have the same characters to go through the
same things.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yeah, Like, no way, I'm like, I'm not making this up.
Does the town go crazy when we play our rival school? Absolutely,
the town basically shuts down and they bring in and
will in.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Are there more bleachers?

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Franks goes so far that people are like, we're gonna
have to shut this down. Like I remember, you know,
Hell Week, the whole deal. It's like, yeah, that seems.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
It's it's real. It's real. So those of you listening, yes,
it's real. It's it's real. It's not all of the drama,
but it's most of it.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, well, listen, we're gonna get into some drama because
we got some buy sale. We're gonna give you Dynasty
exchange approved by and Sell. Now we're saying the show
is going to proof of these. I don't approve of yours, Dylan.
We have a lot of arguing enough to do, because
I've seen you literally put down your cells like, well
that was my buye. So when going to get into it,
take a quick breather because we need to stop and

(11:13):
get some air for all of the hot air you're
going to be spewing on this next segment, Dylan, Welcome
back in listen. The whole theme of the show is
tinker responsibly and I have just begun the process of
rewatching games from last year. Before we jump into quarterback
by Dylan, I want to give you an honorable mention you.

(11:36):
I think you dislike George Pickens because of how much
I love him. I think there's a level, and I
will admit this, there's a level of Anthony Richardson hate
that I have simply because of how much you love him,
coupled with the fact that you constantly would compare him
to Justin Fields. My honorary mention in the quarterback by
section is Anthony Richardson. The reason he's an honorary mention
is only because I think his price is already right

(11:58):
about right around where it should be based on the
risks you still have with injury. But the reality is, Dylan,
when I turn on the tape, the only thing that
is going to stop Anthony Richardson from breaking fantasy football,
and he genuinely could is injury. This dude was getting
the ball out so fast, is freakishly fast on his feet,

(12:19):
and has an incredible offense and an incredible offensive coach
around him. I was a little bit frustrated with how
much I like Anthony Richardson on film, so I submit
that to you as a peace offering before we get
into the wine.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Don't lie. He looks good, does lie.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
And I'm still concerned about his experience and like being
able to play the position. But if he stays healthy
for seventeen games and he sucks, it's going to be
because someone replaced him with the guy I watched from
twenty twenty three. Because that guy is going to be
like dude, effortless, arm talent, and made great reads on
the first and second read too, like Andy never got

(12:57):
to play with Jonathan Taylor, which opens up the offense
even more. No disrespect to Zach Moss. Anthony Richardson's a stud, dude.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
I'm honored. I'm honored that you admit it. I'm not
going to rub it in your face. I think we've
gone down that road plenty of times. The Justin Fields
stink is you still got skid marks on your forehead
from that one. So we're good. We're good on that.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, well you know what I've already I've already given
you some flowers for Richardson. Why don't you just keep
with it? Who is your buye at the quarterback position?

Speaker 3 (13:23):
My bye is another guy from that very same draft class.
And no I'm not talking about c J. Stroud, I'm
talking about Bryce Young. I think I'm very stoked to
see what Bryce does this year, because, let's be honest,
last year in Carolina, bro it was just like, I mean,
everyone was high. Frank Reich, Josh McCown and company. They're like, oh,

(13:44):
it's a great coaching staff. It wasn't obviously we saw
what happened in Carolina last year and Bryce was running
for his life. They didn't have any offensive they didn't
have blocking. It was he was already small going in.
Everyone was worried about his frame going in. He didn't
get injured. That's good because the dude was hit so
many times. So I'm not worried about the injury with him.

(14:05):
And now that we can see what he is able
to do stay healthy. We know the prospect that he
was in college. He can still throw the ball. He
just didn't have time to do that. Dave can Allen's
coming into town. We saw what Dave can Allis did
with Gino Smith. Gino Smith's best year ever was under
Dave Canallis years ago.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Absolutely, by the.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Way, Baker Mayfield just got a three year contract, one
hundred million dollars contract because of Dave Canalis and what
he did last career redeemed the entire career. So I
know that I believe in the talent of Bryce Young.
I did not believe in the situation last year. I
do think he can. He proved that he can stay healthy,
like I said, And so for me, at the price
right now, I mean, you're getting Bryce Young on keep

(14:43):
trade cut. Bryce Young is all the way I have
to keep scrolling, bro, this guy.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
I'm surprised you even have that like on your phone.
I thought you would have put it on a filter
to block it because you hate keep.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Tra you know, I thought I did. I can't even
find this dude. Oh he's at QB. He's at QB twenty. Yeah,
I would buy him at KB twenty. I mean he
has top fifteen. I don't know about top ten, but
he's got top fifteen upside. And he's a safe QB too.
I mean he's yelling and not to mention, they added
offensive line. And he's got Xavier la Guett. Now he's
got Deontay Johnson.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
We know what.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
We don't know what Xavier la Guet is yet, but
he looks like a study. He's got to cool at there's.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
An attempt, there's an attempt to support him at the
very least.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, and DJ, I mean DJ, Deontay Johnson is going
to be phenomenal. We saw what he did. That's just skit.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, that's the biggest get. Deontay Johnson's been a very
good receiver for a very very long time and he's
still in his Prime. You know he's he's gonna be
able to get open and I'm feeling still there. And
also Jonathan Brooks for a lot of people, the number
one back from this class. I love that. I agree completely.
One of my biggest regrets from the startup draft in
Dynasty Exchange is right around the fourth round, I kept

(15:46):
trading back. I took JSN I think right before Bryce,
thinking Bryce would maybe slip a little bit further. I
really regret not grabbing him and locking up the quarterback
in the future, because you know who he reminds me of.
Remember Trevor Lawrence's rookie season. We all gave him a
pass because there was others. He was general, he was
generational on top of that. But like also, urban Meyer

(16:08):
was such a dislikable head coach, and probably I mean
to me, he still is. I just don't like urban Meyer.
But he was such a dumpster fire. It was easy
to point to Urban Myers like, oh, that's the problem.
Frank Reich, from what I understand, an incredible human by
reputation all those things, and had been such a successful
coach in the NFL previous Maybe we aren't admitting hey

(16:31):
from from just a coaching getting the job done perspective.
The coaching situation in Carolina was just as bad for
a fantasy situation.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Culturally distractive because cract but it was just it just
didn't work. It just didn't work. It didn't work.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Isn't that such a part of fantasy football? It's the
emotional perception of a situation because we are guessing, and
when Urban Meyer is is clearly like a villain's like, oh,
I'm pointing my distrust of the Jacksonville Jaguars offense at
Urban Meyer. In Carolina, it's a little bit more sticky
because it's like is it Bryce, is it Frank Reich,

(17:08):
is it David Tepper?

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Question? Let me ask you a question, and this is
this is pertaining to the Carolina offense. Do you think
Deontay Johnson still has top fifteen finish upside?

Speaker 2 (17:20):
I think in Carolina I would think he's a he's
a back end wide receiver too. He's he's going to
have a really high floor if he stays healthy. I mean,
you look at what Adam Thielen was doing last year.
Now keep in mind he was in kind of a vortex,
but Adam Thielen was like for the first eight weeks
he was a top twelve wide receiver. So I think
Deontay Johnson is the perfect wide receiver to bring in

(17:41):
for Bryce Young because he's so good in the intermediate,
so good at the short route, running great after the
catch and then target.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Well yeah, he's he's very, very good. So I love
your boy. Let's get to your cell because this is
the beginning of many disagreements we're going to have on
today's show.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
You know what, No, let me go. Let's do your BUYE.
Let's do your buy I want to talk about your BUYE.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Well, let's just disclose right now. You wrote down your
cell and I it was my bye, So we're complete
opposite ends of the spectrum.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
I just want you to go first.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, dude, in what world, what did Justin Herbert do
to offend everyone? Justin Herbert on sleeper right now? In
best ball is the quarterback seventeen. Give that to me.
All day people are assuming that Greg Roman and John

(18:33):
Harball only know how to run the ball, and that
is just so inaccurate. These are coaches that build offenses
around the capabilities of their best players. Justin Herbert is
an unbelievable Passer is an unbelievable athlete. By the way,
if he runs more, that's good for fantasy. Justin Herbert
is being disrespected in Dynasty, in Redraft, in Best Ball.

(18:56):
He is a screaming value. There are so few qbs
in like Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts. I'm not gonna say
Jared Coff because he just got a super Max deal,
but like young qbs QB south of twenty six who've
gotten a long term deal, who we've seen be successful
for fantasy before. On top of that, you hate QJ Dylan,
He's terrible.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Mike despise both of them.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
You hate both those guys. They were on the team
last year. Lad mcconchney is a huge get for Uh.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Oh, he's gonna replace Keenan Allen production.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Uh he could. I'm not saying it is a rookie year,
but Dylan, I think efficiency. Maybe the yardage goes down,
maybe the attempts goes down, the touchdowns are going up,
the chargers are up into the right. I am a
huge Herbert fan. This is one of the few times
you can buy a top five guy, top orderline.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Top No, he's not top five anymore. He is not there.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Six at a discount all in on Justin Herbert. I
trust the history of it.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
That right far is why I'm selling. That's that's why
I'm selling. That is why I'm selling Justin Herbert on KTC.
He's QB nine, He's all at QB nine. He's overrated,
and it's not what anything he did. Necessarily he got
hurt last year. I'm not going to hold last season
against him. It was just a disaster. They the Chargers,
have proven that they do not want to equip him.

(20:13):
I don't know what it is. You look at Caleb
Williams situation. They did everything they can to get him weapons.
You look at all these other situations where they're putting
c J. Stroud, they're putting weapons around them, and what
they what did they do to Justin Herbert?

Speaker 2 (20:26):
They they got him the highest rated tackle in the
draft and then got him a wide receiver with their
very doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
If he has no one to catch the ball. Lad
McConkie is not going to replace Keenan out. They're trying
to replace Keenan now. Mike Williams when he was on
the field was actually productive. He just never could stay healthy.
They don't have anyone to replace those qjs not stepping
up and taking Mike Williams role. Lad McConkie is not
taking Keenan Allen's roll. Justin Herbert's upside. They proved, you
proved through the draft and through the off season. Is

(20:53):
the only people they added? They added well the tackle,
sure who was that? It was all right? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yes, yes, they add at all?

Speaker 3 (21:03):
And then they added Gus Edwards. No, I'm rookie draft. Sure,
they add receivers JK. Dobbins. Who do they add it?
Tight end? They added Hayden Hers, but they also added uh,
what's his name? It was the guy from Seattle. He
was in Seattle. But it was a blocking time will
Disley well blocking tight end. They are going to run

(21:27):
the ball, and I'm not saying that Justin Herbert is shot.
I'll still take him QB ten to twelve somewhere around there.
But QB nine, no, thank you. And I think they're
going to run the ball more than anyone expects. And
I do not think he's going to be as valuable
for fantasy as people think he's going to be because
they want to run the ball and play defense. It's
it's what Harbor's proven.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
But I think he can still throw a ton of
touchdowns in the situation.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Okay, said, this is this is why you're a fan
of JJ McCarthy, because he's going to be the NFL's
version of JJ McCarthy. He's not going to throw the ball.
He's not going to throw the ball, not in talenty.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Be the NFL's version of j J McCarty.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
No, JJ McCarthy in college. Go ahead me, please go
with your point.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
No. I mean, I just want to know, if you
hate QJ soon much, why didn't you accept my trade
for him in that organ both in together because you
put him on the block. I sent you something really fair,
like how low will you go on QJ?

Speaker 3 (22:16):
I mean, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sell him
for nothing, because I know there's people that I like
him out there for what's in the second that he
gets up says, the second that he can every fourth
it's one twenty seven fourth exactly. But the second that
QJ gets out there and catches the ball from Justin Herbert,
and it's just he looks so good. This year is
going to be a breakout year. So him he is,
He's gone if you can get a second for him,
you better ship him off and pay for the freight.

(22:38):
But I don't care what.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Take a third?

Speaker 3 (22:40):
A third? I think you could squeeze a second, or
I'll just package him up at that I would give.
I'm not gonna a third straight up.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
I'll give you a third and a twenty twenty seven fourth.
Because I already have Josh Parmer, I have Lad mcconchney.
I will find that cute Joe. I will find the
one wide receiver that Herbert targets because he's an incredible quarter.
Let me get to myself.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
That's here.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
I want to be clear. I love this player. Actually
I'm rooting for this player. I want to be wrong.
Sometimes you have to trust your instincts. You have to
trust the situation. Things can look great on paper, and
then in six months time we look back at a
series of decisions ago. How did we not see this coming?
Will Levis, By the way, I like the Calvin Ridley signing, like,

(23:26):
I think that's actually half decent. The issue I have
and just bear with me here. The general manager for
the Titans basically was given powers and authority over the
whole organization that no general manager has ever had before
they shipped out. Mike rabel I could be totally wrong

(23:47):
about this and just too much of an old school
Mike vrabelstand. I tend to think that the Titans as
an organization right now are in absolute chambels. I think
Will Levis is a very good QB. I actually think
Will is Sam Howell of last year, but perhaps more talented.
Sam Howell I think is a very good QB. The
problem was the loyalty wasn't there, and it's an organization

(24:10):
in flux and in transition, and you're going to be
a fall guy. Look at who is in the division
with the Titans. You have the Houston Texans, you have
the colt stillan who you love, admittedly, and then Jacksonville
is still a good team and won the division two
years ago, still has a lot of great weapons. I
think the Titans are going to lose a lot of games.
I think Levis could be Fantasy relevant. I don't see

(24:31):
Will Levis being committed to long term by the Titans
and on the bubble because they're going to lose a
lot of games. And I think that that the whole
ship is going to fall apart. And if you're not
winning games, it doesn't matter if you're putting up the
occasional fantasy point. On top of that, most of the
weapons that they have brought in for the Titans are
the stars of yesteryear. It never freaking works. This feels

(24:52):
like Sam Bradford with the Cardinals. Do you remember on
that Seve khime sam Bradvan the Cardinals. He's bringing it,
everyone's running back and every like. I just think we're
going to look back on and I think Calvin Ridley
will Levis will have games that win you weeks. I'm
going on record to say that. But I think at
the end of the season, when it's a dishoveled mess
that looks like it's going to have to completely rebuild,
and will Levis is a high end backup that goes elsewhere,

(25:13):
we're gonna go. How do we not see this coming?

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Yeah, I'm indifferent about it. I don't want to sell him. Yeah,
well no, I actually I like will Lovis, I really do.
I wouldn't be necessarily selling him. I actually see I'm buying.
I'm buying. I disagree with you entirely. He's QB twenty
two on KTC. I'm buying in hardby QB twenty two. Bro,

(25:36):
if you're selling him, what are you getting for him? Like,
you might as well go with rolling us that you
they we just talked about Justin Herbert. What did they
do for Will loves that they never did for Justin
Herbert in LA. They got him weapons, They got him
DeAndre Hopkins, they got him Calvin Ridley. They they're they're loaded,
they're fine. They got him two pass catching running backs
like they're fine.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Chargers gave contract extensions to Mike Williams and Keenan Allen
when they released to surround those weapons, and they drafted
a first round rod receiver last year, the wrong one.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
No, no, no, you know who gave those two wide receivers
contract extensions to LESCo who's no longer in town. So
a new era came in. It's a different dem and
that's what I think people have to get. It's not
the Justin Herbert of bowl. Anyways, back to Will Levis,
I disagree. I would be buying him at QB twenty
two prices if you can go and get him a
second and Russell Wilson, I will I would do that.

(26:26):
I would do that. I would send Russell Wilson in
the second way, to go and get me some will Levis.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
If someone could take that. Yeah, that's that's a similar Joctor. Yeah,
that's I think that the people who love will Levis
are all the way out on will Levis, and so
I don't think you're gonna get that price. I think
it's gonna take a lot more. But let's move on
to our running backs. Very dangerous to buy yourself running
backs in the offseason. It's a good rule. But just
like I was gonna try to name Joston parents right now,

(26:52):
that's a terrible idea. We got people from all just like,
I'm glad it's happening here. Keep an eye out some
running backs. I'm hoping it's it's the names I say,
not the names Dylan says. Dylan wants you lead off.
Who's your bye?

Speaker 3 (27:11):
My bye is? And I think a rule of thumb
as well is you do not buy running backs when
you're not contending. So my bye is. That's my disclaimer
is if you're contending and you're going to buy running backs,
go and get James Connor. James Connor has to be
a bye. I know they just drafted Trey Benson. I

(27:32):
don't think Trey Benson is a threat whatsoever. He is
going to be used just like Mario de Mercado was
last year, just like Michael Carter was towards the end
of the year last year. He's just he's gonna come
in and spell James Connor. They're gonna use They're gonna
run James Connor into the ground. And we've seen that
if he gets the volume, he's productive with it. He's
one of the only guys that has been quietly productive

(27:53):
with the volume that he's given to me. I mean,
James Connor. I just traded for James Connor in the league,
and I think I traded him for here. I'm pulling
up right now, straight up for a second, the twenty
four second it was the two think ended up being
the two eleven, No. Two and nine, two and nine.
I shouldn't straight up trade him.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
So who's the two and nine for a lot of
people to twelve team league, let's ty to put a
name to it.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
If you're competing, he's not gonna help you whoever it is.
You're like Javon Baker, Ben Sinnett, like you're in that territory.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, if you're if you're a championship team, if you're
like one of our teams and you know you need points.
That's a decent price for someone who could give you
high end RB two numbers. I mean, at least for
eight weeks I think played he'll be there for eight weeks.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
He paid, Yeah, I mean he played thirteen games. Last
two seasons. He finished RB nineteen and twenty twenty two,
and he finished RB eighteen and twenty twenty three only
playing like I'm only playing thirteen games. He's he is
as solid as it gets. You just got to hope
that he stays healthy. But that's the case with ever
running back.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
I think he's a great example of cheap points that
you trust. Because of rookie hype is gonna be all
time low, and I think there's plenty of work for
trade beens and I'm actually the trements and takes over
that backfield towards the end of the year. But I
still think it'll be a glorious I think it'll be.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Very similar to what we saw Derrick Henry and Tajay
Spears looked like last year. I mean, I'm not saying
that James Connor is gonna yeah, I'm not gonna say
James Connor is the next He's not gonna be good
for the next three years. No, No, this is like a
year to year play and that's just kind of how
I play the running back position. I'm saying, go buy him.
If you're contending this year.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
I love it you go first this time because your
cell wants to get by vibe and you're gonna put
your argument forward first.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Oh boy, this is like the Dynasty Darling because of
the way that he ended his season and this guy
we talked about it, Josh, but in the Dynasty cartel
league that we reference, the startup was last year. This
guy was taken in the very last round of that
startup draft, round twenty of that startup draft.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
That's such a rough investment.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
They are rough, and you never know when they're going
to pop or when they're going to pop an Achilles.
You never know when is gonna happen. Well said, thanks.
The guy that I'm talking about is Dynasty Darling, the
Lover of the Year, Kyen Willie, Lover of the Year,
What lover of the year, Lover of the people are
lover of the year, Lover of the year. People love

(30:15):
this guy. Love this guy, and I get it. He
had a phenomenal season last year. If I'm being completely honest,
the Rams offense is going to look completely different than
it did last year. I'm I'm I'm convinced. It's not
going to be nearly as ground and pound. It's not
going to be like they're not going to just hand
it to him. They went and got Blake Koram for
a reason. Blake korm is going to be an issue

(30:38):
for Kien Williams. I don't care what you guys say.
The one of the biggest knocks on Karen Williams coming out,
other than the fact that he slows Christmas, is he's
not big enough to sustain a workload of a of
every down back. He's just not going to a sub
hundred back. He's not going to sustain it. So if
you guys are expecting to get that volume from him

(30:58):
again this year, you're going to be mistaken in one
of two ways. Either he's not going to get it,
or two he's going to get it and then he's
going to get hurt and then your season's derailed because
you took him in the second round of Okay, probably
not in Dynasty startups. If you do redraft, he's going
in the second round and Dynasty is probably going fourth round.
I would say probably fourth, fourth, fifth round startup. That

(31:19):
is steep. If you can sell him for that, my
go sell him, Sell him immediately. If you can get
a first for him, if you can go and get
Javonte Williams plus, if you can go and get James
Connor plus, if you can go and and this plus
is not just like a Yeah, people don't pay first

(31:40):
for running backs, bro.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
People you would time out. You would sell Kyrien Williams
if you had him for James Connor and a second.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Okay, that's that's fair. I mean I don't like him,
but it depends if it was an early second this class. Yeah, absolutely,
if it was an early if it was a two
or three and three in James Connor, I'm getting rid of.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Connery daviorly getting James Connor for Kien Williams.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Kien Williams. Yes, I just do not believe in the sustainability.
And I'm going to get destroyed for this, and I
know it, I know it, but I'm going on record,
I just do not believe in Kien Williams. Repeating what
he did last year. It's just not gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
For the people who listen to the show that wonder
why Dylan's here two reasons. One, you always invite the
guy to poker, Knight, who's bad at poker, so you
just get paid because everyone needs to pay the pot. Dylan,
your sense of value is okay.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
James Connor may be a stretch, but I'm doing James Cook,
I'm doing Javonte Williams. I'm James Cook. I'm doing all those.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
I So here's why he's my boy. My money's where
my mouth is. I just did this in a draft.
My entire argument is that people are overreacting to the
Blake Orum signing, which, by the way, I like Blake Koram,
but this is exactly this is the Blake korm is
the zach sharbonnay to Ken Walker of last year. We
are overreacting to a backup running back being drafted. Blake

(33:06):
Krum is absolutely going to be essential to the Rams
because guess what, Kyron Williams had an unbelievable workload. They
were they re signed Royce Freeman, Darnell and Darryl Henderson.
Forgive me Darryl Henderson like, they had terrible backup running backs,
and the run game is completely and totally valuable to

(33:27):
the Rams. When you say this offense is going to
completely different, you couldn't be more wrong. It's a Sean
McVay offense with the same starting quarterback, the same receiving court.
All they did was add depth pieces where they needed to.
And people like you who think that backup running backs
are going to automatically take the rollover, it not. When not,
when you like Kyron Williams doesn't lose his job. The

(33:48):
dude dominated in the passing game, in the running game. Dylan.
Just listen to his finishes for Fantasy on the last
six weeks he was available. Was that six weeks, yes,
six weeks.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
He did not dominate the passing game. How did he
dominate the passing game? He was?

Speaker 2 (33:59):
He had several He had several games. First of all,
you had three receiving touchdowns. I'm saying he was a
really solid receiving back. Six for sixty one, six for
forty eight, two for twenty seven, three for twenty four,
three for twenty four. Yeah, okay, well he wasn't like
a receiver back.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
But you know, you know who he reminds me of.
You know who he reminds me of. And I mean
just one year of this, not the this guy did
it for I think a few years, David Johnson, David Johnson.
I think he is one year David Johnson and he's done, Like.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
David Johnson just retired. Thank you for twenty sixteen. Brought
me my first Fantasy championship that year. Mental lot, that.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Is exactly what Kyroen Llens, Kyron Williams is. He is
David Johnson, so enjoy it. I'm not buying in. I'm
not buying.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
I traded James Cook in a second for Kyen Williams
to that laigue we were referencing Cartel.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Because Bravo, if you're listening to this, Bravo.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
I will take the RB six on the year, who
missed six games, unbelievable touchdown on up side, second only
to Christian McCaffrey in points per game. I think he
does very simple. Listen, even if he's the RB ten,
it's going to be awesome. That's a ceiling. James Cook
is never.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Going to be a ten.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Here's his last thing going to be RB one, RB nine,
RB eighteen RB five RB eleven RB one. The dude
averaged how many yards per carry? Let me see here.
I think it was five something, that.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
It was over it was five yards even, I think
somewhere around there. Yeah, even that, it's not sustainable. He's
not going to average five yards of carry this year.
It's just not going to happen. It's not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
You're not a believer. You're a hater. Karen Williams is awesome.
I think you just hate the La Rams in general.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Rams.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
But let's here's my cell I think you'll agree. It's
pretty simple. Josh Jacobs, it's clear his best years are
behind him. This feels like Ezekiel Elliott, very good back.
He went to a good offense. I think Josh Jacobs
is half decent on the Packers this year. And I
know he signed a multi year deal, but if you
look at the contract, it's actually completely front loaded and
the Packers can cut him next year with basically no penalty.

(35:57):
So Josh Jacobs comes in with one year of for
the Packers unless he is absolutely special. I don't think
that they resigned him. I think they cut him to
save money. And I think marshaon Lloyd another sneaky bite
you can have. Josh Jacobs has been a great back
for Fantasy. I've always kind of hated on him and
I don't know why, but the reality is, I'm staying
on brand. The Packers are a very good offense. There's

(36:19):
lots of scoring opportunities. Maybe Jacobs is productive this year,
but the contract gives me pause. The age gives me pause,
and most importantly, the tread on the tire gives me
the most pause. If you could have sold Ezekiel Elliott
two years ago, you'd have gotten a very good return.
He sold him last year. He sold him for beans
and now he's worth nothing. I'd rather be early than
late on a back like that. Get Jacob's off any
team I have.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Yeah, I don't know if we're going to agree once
this show. I'm not selling Jacobs because of what you
said it when you were going on your monologue, your
Josh monologue. It's one year. I don't pay for running
backs because I'm going to use them for two to
three years. Other than a Jimmy Gibbs, a Bijeon, the
Jonathan Taylor's, the CMC, like those guys are a class

(37:04):
of their own. Those are the guys you pay up
for because you know they're longevity. Josh Jacobs, if I
can get him, I mean.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
I got a first for him, I got a late
first for him. You wouldn't take that?

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Uh yeah, I would in this in twenty four?

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean that's.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
That's a pretty good return. That's if you're getting a
first run'll.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Get that right now. You can get it for multiple
seconds second, an early second plus.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
I'm not like, I'm not doing it for twenty five.
If it's twenty four, I'll do it, But I wouldn't
do it for twenty five. If I'm a contender. I
don't know. Actually I don't know. If it's second, I
don't think I would do it.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
If it's twenty five first. If you get a twenty
five first, I think you should still do No.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
I mean, if you're contending, no, that doesn't make any sense.
I just wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
I would tend to pre running backs in general. In
a factum, let's say, if.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
I'm contending, I would still trade Jacobs away even if
I'm contending for a late first.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
What's the lowest tier receipt? Would you would you trade
Josh Jacobs for Deontae Johnson. Straight up, I'm trying to
think of a Dynasty receiver outside of the top immediate
twenty four guys.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Probably I probably just take Josh Jacobs.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Okay, would you trade him for hmmm, name that comes
to mind? Name comes to mine? Would you do Josh
Jacobs in the first for well, you probably can't get
Drake Lorndon, Michael Pittman, Josh Jacobs and a and a
second for Michael Pittman.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
I would do it for Michael Pittman. Yeah, I would
do it for Michael Pittman. I just like Josh Jacobs
because he he's in Green Bay. Last year, what is
the one thing that they did not have the running game?
And they have to have the running game this year
like they have to. It's not gonna be Jordan Love
like he was last year. Unfortunately. I still think Jordan
Love is gonna be fine. But the only way that

(38:50):
he's going to be good is if Josh Jacobs can
get the run. That's why they went and got him,
why they paid him.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
No, I hear you, Here's here's what I'll say. Well,
and they when Aaron Jill did play well for the Packers.
That's when Jordan Love got unlocked. Actually, when Aaron Jones
came back from injury. The Packers are a different team.
I'm also watching film again right now. Jacobs looks like
he lost a step. He looks decent, He's still got
great vision. He's a smooth back when he runs.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
He's only like twenty five, twenty six. He's still pretty young.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
That's bro. Twenty eight is the end of the road
for most running backs, and I think Jacobs falls into
the most running backs not generational talent. But listen, let's
take a quick break. We'll go to commercial. Look at us.
I'm remembering to do more than one commercial outro. We're
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use the bathroom or keep driving if you're listening in

(39:38):
the car, you know, check hands. At ten to two.
We're gonna take a quick break and be right back
after this. Welcome back to the Dynasty exchange. Dylan is
continuing to give you horrible advice, which just further proves
that you shouldn't tinker in general, because a lot of
you think like Dylan and I'm really really sorry. I
apologize in advance.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
But there is coming from the guy, coming from the
guy you know that is going you get it. Listen,
I just here is it that you're either going to
win people championships sure, or you're going to absolutely destroy
their hopes and dreams and their dynasty team is going
to be in the gutters forever. Because if you're buying

(40:17):
Kien Williams, if you're buying Justin Herbert, you're hedging your
bets and you better hope, you better hope that the
things work out because gets hurt, or Justin Herbert is
stuck throwing the ball fifteen to twenty times a game,
you are screwed. You were screwed. You were absolutely screwed.
And that is by the that is by the advice
of joshuash.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
So you're saying that if I'm completely wrong about everything,
people will realize them if.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
You're wrong one of those things, if you're wrong about
one of those things, if you're pointing out for Justin Herbert,
give me nine.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Here's the great news. I'm not going to be wrong
about either one of them. You're going to continue to
be wrong about Start with your cell at.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
What because last year you're on the same show tuting.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Oh my god, just reread Fields, Dylan.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
George Dickens, build your team on Justin Fields and George Pickens.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
George Dickens is on the up, upward trend. George Pickens
was one people Championships in playoffs. George Pickens was the
wide receiver nineteen through week seventeen.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
I don't know what you're doing in the wide receiver nineteen.
We're tying the nineteen.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Wilson in his second year.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
I don't know what you're Darling, Wilson, you're darling.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
What do you mean Wilson?

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Garrett wil Wilson also sticks.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
On keep trade cut. We are not going on this tangent.
I want to hear who your cell is because I
was trying to say you're just a hater. And there's
certain people that get under skin. I am one of them,
and apparently it's also Sean McVay because you've never let
this one go. So please continue with this take from
last year, absolutely and how you were completely wrong on
this guy.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Capital lies and I did this in a league this
past an orphan team that we we are uh in
a league that we're in. Yeah, and I sold this
guy and I liked my return because I've got Marvin Harrison. Yeah,
Marvin Harrison Junior or Pokakua. Give me Marvin Harrison Junior
all day, all day.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Wait, although you throw in JSN into that as well.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Um, yes, but I got a second back or no,
I got Josh Downs back. I got Josh Downs back.
I got Josh Downs.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
So JSN and Pooka for I don't know, man, I
say Josh down. Oh no, Norvin Harrison makes up for
a lot.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
But listeners, I'm here, here, here, here, I need a
mute button for you.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Mute Josh myself, muting myself.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Okay. So I think for Pookin Akua, I'm not going
to people think that I just hate Pooko Akua. I
do not hate Pookinakua. I just do not think he
is a top eight, top ten, top twelve wide receiver.
I really don't, okay. I think he could be somewhere
between between ten to twelve. I'm not buying him at
top eight prices and everyone wants to crown him as

(42:45):
the next Jamar Chase or he's just not that he's
a talented wide receiver. But the thing is is those
top five guys can finish in the top ten consecutive seasons.
That's why they're consider aj Brown, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson,
Ceedee Lamb. Those guys are up there because Garrett Wilson's

(43:05):
up there and he yeah, we just talked about him.
But you better hope that Aaron Rodgers gonna work Wonders Anyways, Pookinakua,
he's not gonna finish top ten. He's not gonna finish
top five. I can guarantee you he's not going to
finish top ten and top five. Cooper Cooper Cup's gonna
be healthy. Williams apparently is gonna be RB five this year.
He's gonna be RB five overall, like Pookin Akup is

(43:27):
not gonna repeat. And when I say the offense isn't
gonna look like it did last year, I think Sean
McVay is a master at piecing things together. Cooper Cup
went out and they were just like you know what, Stafford,
go in there and just do whatever we gotta do
to win games. I think it's gonna be a lot
more methodical. Their offensive line stills trash and you gotta
hope that Matthew Stafford stays healthy because if that guy
doesn't stay healthy, this whole offense implodes. Now you can't

(43:50):
project injury, but what I will say, with a healthy
Cooper Cup, I do not think Pooka Akua repeats what
he did last year. It's going to He's gonna finish
between sure whiers receiver fifteen to twenty. That's great if
you want to, I would buy him at that price.
If he's going to be he's going to be a
career wide receiver fifteen to twenty, high end wide receiver two,
and that's great. Why do we gotta talent him as

(44:11):
the next big thing is a top five, top six,
top seven, top eight wide receiver. I just don't. I'm
not buying into that. I just do not get it,
So just please just pretty clear it.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Well, first of all, he dominated with Cup coming back
on the field.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
We did this not healthy Cup was not a healthy
He was not healthy unhealthy, and Puka just put up
the best rookie wide receiver season of all time, better
than Justin Jefferson, better than Jamar Chase, better than that
random guy from the sixties.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
That I had literally never heard of before until until
last season when Puka was smashing every record in the book.
Puka has already been top ten, and he did it
his rookie year when he's new to the game. This
is an unbelievable talent with an unbelievable offensive minded head coach.
Even if he does take a step back, I feel
like top ten is a lock. You want to talk
about spicy takes. You are hating on guys that have

(45:05):
already done it, and they're very young and still in
their prime, connected to a great offensive head coach. I
don't know why you hate the Rams. I don't know
who hurts you. It's okay. This is a safe place
as long as everything I think.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
I think your RAMS offense is a volatile taking time
bomb that is going to implode. I don't think it
is sustainable. They had an incredible They had an incredible
statistical season. No one saw that coming. I guess Sean
mcvay's a genius, but it's not going to repeat itself.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
What they're a great team. They won the Super Bowl
two years three years ago.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Josh, you're telling me, at the beginning of the season
you were drafting Pukinaku in the second round of Rickie drafts.
No no one saw that I did. Tyrone Williams got
drafted in the last round of a startup league in
the twentieth round.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
No one's going to help you. No one articulate. Let
me help you articulate your argument better than you're making it, because.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Now I thank you. Yeah, you know what, Josh, please
please let me teach you how to speak good, thank you,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
What you're saying is that because these guys in a
McVeigh offense came out of nowhere, what is stopping stopping
someone else from coming out of nowhere and supplanting them.
You're saying the situation.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Made that that's actually that's That's not what I'm saying
at all.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Well, you have no argument whatsoever interesting because I could
see you.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Just do not listen, and you you choose to have
dynasty darlings for whatever reason. Concoins his name right, You
can't even say lad McConkie's name, Ryan, you love him,
you love pronounce Sorry.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Anyways, we're going champions, We're going back to.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
You did not You still didn't tell me what like
with Cooper Cup coming back. You said he came back
last year, but he was not healthy. You can ask
it was very It.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Doesn't the wrong side of one. It does matter, Dylan.
On top of that, with Sean McVay, there was multiple
years of Robert Woods and Cooper Cup both being top twelve,
top fifteen wide.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
What happened in between those seasons? What happened in between
what in between those I mean those yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
For a long time until Cooper Cup took over and
literally broke fantasy. Yeah, the same year they won the Super.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Bowl, and he's just gonna fall off, You're right, Okay, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Huka Nakua absolutely had the best rookie season for receiver
of all time last year. You can't ignore that. You
talk about you know, go check the film all the time.
I've checked the tape. The guy's unbelievable, connected to a
great quarterback, who makes fantasy who takes fantasy wide receivers
to the next level.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
You just you just analyzed tape like in Neanderthal. I
watch tape, got great? What is good? I get it.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
He's that I'm appealing to your sense of analysis.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
I get it. But you didn't say anything about the tape.
You just said I watched tape, tape good dude.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
He at a six to twer receiver. He is capable
of doing every position and being lined up at anywhere
on the field. They had him running the ball in sweeps,
They had him going deep and he was mossing people,
getting it up over their head. He did it to
the Bengals specifically, was the game I was watching. If
you want to know, did it to the Colts in
overtime to win. He can go deep. He is an
incredible route runner, and no one schemes things up like

(48:08):
Sean McVay does. Don't at me with this.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
He's not getting a hundred. He's not getting one hundred
and sixty targets next year. He's not getting one hundred
and sixty targets.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Did he have one hundred and sixty last year?

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Yes, M.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
I'm not so sure about that.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
He had one hundred and sixty targets last year. I'm
looking at it, one hundred and sixty targets. He's not
going to have one hundred and sixty targets next year.
There's no shot. That is insane volume and insane efficiency.
He caught one hundred and five of those targets. It's
not happening. It's not happening.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
I think he has a better season he did last year.
I think he scores more touchdowns. Let's move on, let's
trying to find some common grounds. It's getting spicy. Who
is your bye right now? For wide receiver?

Speaker 3 (48:46):
My buye wide receiver is Calvin Ridley. I think you
you seem to hate wide receivers that are thirty and older.
I don't understand why, because Calvin Ridley just got a
four year contract thirty years old. But we all know
he came into the NFL late. He came in at
twenty three, which is older for wide receivers. He came

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in and dominated got suspended for the year, sat it out,
and then ends up in Jacksonville. Jacksonville did not use
Calvin Ridley how Calvin Ridley needs to be used. They
tried to use him as a field stretcher, which is
what they got Gabe Davis for this year, which is
why they got Brian Thomas this year. That's not what
Calvin Ridley does. Calvin Rially works more so as a
route runner in the intermediate intermediate. He can sure he

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can catch the ball deep, but it's after he cooks
his dB and gets wide open I just think he
was used incorrectly in Jacksonville and now everyone's out because
they're like, oh, he can't bounce back. They the Tennessee
Titans just signed him to a four year was that
ninety million dollar contract and they wouldn't even give that
to a J Brown back in his prime. So I

(49:49):
think people are going to miss out on what actually
and Will levis, whether you like him or not, he's
going to pepper this dude with targets. And I think
Calvin Ridley is going to be his best friend because
Kalvin Ridley is going to play similar to how Christian
Kirk did in the Jacksonville offense and that's why they
didn't work too well. So yeah, I think he's going
to be a target monster. I think he's going to
be efficient with his targets. And to me, if he

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can get you can give him as a as your
wide receiver three for a second. Give me all the
Cavin Realley that I can get. I don't care if
it's an early second, I don't care if it's a
laid second, any second round pick. Give me Calvin Ridley
for that price. Josh, what do you say? No?

Speaker 2 (50:22):
I tend to agree with you. Like I said, I'm
not out on will Lewis for this season. I mean,
you look at what Sam Howell was doing. Like I said,
he is that situation and he wasn't targeting receivers, but
he was making Logan Thomas fantasy relevant. I think will
Levis is a good QB. I think he will target
his best player. I do think that is Calvin Ridley.
I'm concerned about the Titans organization as a whole, and
in super flex quarterbacks. You know, listen, they get paid

(50:46):
to win games and not be close to the bottom
of the draft. I think the Titans will be. They'll
lack the wins and they'll be close to the bottom
of the draft. And he doesn't have the long term
investment in him yet.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
So here's what Tennessee people got it. You know, I
need to take a break for a second. I need
to tell people, remind people pay attention to the teams
in the offenses that you're drafting. You cannot get the
stigma of Bill Belichick in New England is stuck in
your head. You cannot get the stigma of Vrabel's offense
and just running it with Derrick Henry in Tennessee. It's

(51:18):
if you do this, you're going to miss out on
players that have a bad stigma because the offense. I
love Drake May. I love Drake May because he's going
into a team that's completely different and it's not Bill Belichick.
I love Calvin Ridley because they're not going to just
sit back and run the ball. They have Tony Pollard
and Tajay Spears, two smaller backs that are not going
to be able to just run up the gut like

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Derrick Henry. Did they have Brian Callahan Callahan right? But no, yeah,
Brian Callahan right, Okay, yeah, they have the the Bengals. Yes,
what did the Bengals do? The Bengals did not run
the ball very often. They ran it efficiently and Joe
Mixon did well, but they passed the ball. That's what
That's why you want a piece of all the sense

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that offense. Same thing goes in Tennessee. I think they're
going to use Calvin Ridley in a very different way
than they've use any other wide receiver. And I think
Calvin Ridley is worth your buy right now. Would you
pay a second for him?

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Yeah? If I was in a championship window, I would
definitely not if I'm rebuilding.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Yeah, that's that's kind of the.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Theme with a lot of your players. I think you're
talking from a champion, and that's the way you like
to play. You play very much like I'm gonna go
for it this year, and so I think that's reflected
in your buys. I actually do think they're good values.
Though specifically Calvin Ridley selling Kyen Williams and Pooka's neither
here nor there. I like it, Dylan, I've got the
peace offering for us right now. You're gonna freaking love this.

(52:39):
My buye is Nico Collins. Sometimes, listen, you have to
take risks When everyone else is gonna zig, you have
to zag. Stefan Diggs coming to the Texans is not
good for the short term value in production of Nico
Collins and Tank Dell as well. It's great for CJ.
Stroud potentially, but I think, you know, going back to

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the watching tape, I've been watching a couple of Buffalo games.
After Week ten, Steffan Diggs turned into a mashed potato.
I don't think that Stefan Diggs is going to be
a long term effect on the Houston Texans. I understand
that Nico Collins is in a contract year, so is
Stefan Diggs. The Texans literally made this a one year
deal for Steffan Diggs. I think this is Odell Beckham

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going to the Ravens. I don't think Stefan Diggs is
half the player he was two or three years ago,
because he was the dude two to three years ago.
And when I look at Nico Collins, this is an
established deep threat that has CJ. Stroud's trust. I'm not
saying he's going to have the same production he did
last year, and that's why he's such a good bye
right now. I think Nico Collins, he's been loyal to

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the Texans. He was there for the rebuild. I think
he's actually gonna get resigned by the Texans because I
think he's a very good wide receiver and if he's
tied to Stroud long term, I will take that bet.
I think he wins out over Steffan Diggs in the
long term, and if the dip in the production this
year comes, it's not because of anything he's doing on
the field, because he looks great every time he's given
the opportunity. I don't think that changes, and maybe Steffan Diggs,

(54:07):
you know, helps get him open the most. I will
admit my favorite Texans wide receiver is still Tanked Dell,
but people are overreacting to the Nico Collins news and
so he's plummeting in value. He should be considered a
top twenty four wide receiver in Dynasty because of the
connection he's already sown with C. J. Stroud. If he's
priced below that, go get him. If someone in your
league think Steffon Diggs is gonna come in and take

(54:29):
over for the Texans, go and get him. Stefan Diggs,
frankly is a bit of a head case and a diva,
and I don't think worth worth the time. I don't
think he's a better and more motivated wide receiver than
when he was, you know, with Minnesota going to the Bills,
and if Steffon Diggs is gonna suck with with Josh Allen,

(54:50):
you know, the best fantasy QB he's it's not like
he's going to greatly improve with c. J. Shroud, who's
admittedly awesome. So I'm very in on Nico Collins because
I think you can get him at a sneaky price,
and I think he will resurge in value by the
end of this year.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Yeah, I you know, I love Nico Collins, and yes
we can finally have common ground. Don't have to raise
my voice anymore, but I do think you have to
caveat this pie with Do not buy him expecting a
top ten finish like he had last year or a
wide receiver one finish like he had last year. No,
it's not going to happen for numerous reasons. Stefan Diggs,
whether you think he's going to pop up or not,

(55:25):
is still there and still a mouth that needs to
be fed. And he's better than Noah Brown. So even
if he's the wide receiver three, he's better than Noah Brown.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
He's going to command targets. We agree. Yeah, by the way, mysell,
Stefan dis se dis, I think it's I think it's done.
I think we're done.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
And Tank Dell is the one. He's the one. When
he's healthy, he's going to be the one in Houston.
So I think both of those Dell being healthy, the
addition of Diggs is going to eat into that pie.
And also people, they're going to run the ball a
lot more and a lot better this year, So I
think Tampa expectations for even c J. Stroud. I mean,
the dude had to do everything. This is why I'm

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high on Drake May. I've mentioned him already. Drake May
is gonna have a similar not not maybe to the
effect of c J. Stroud from a fantasy production standpoint,
but he's in a similar situation where he's gonna have
to do everything.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Smitten with Drake Man, I do well.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Dude, He's gonna like to do exactly what Shroud had
to do everything last year because Damian Pierce and Devin
Singletary weren't getting it done on the ground, so they
couldn't turn the running game.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Only you could turn a Nico Collins to I'm getting
a gift to talk about your guy, and you're like,
you know who. This reminds me of the quarterback of
the Patriots. It's like brother, observing you up.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Like I like to plug the people. The people listen
to me. The people get Anthony Richardson for Justin Jefferson,
so you are not just Jefferson Justin Fields.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Rather, hang on to your one take going.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
To that's going to the grave with me. You can't
wait for saving grace because Lord of mercy. Anyways, what you.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Want me to take a lap on? I got, I gotta,
I got a list of.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Joos from continue Anyway, Nico Collins, Tampa your expectations, but yes,
buy him, Like if you can buy him and have
him as your wide receiver three. I mean he's got
the he's got the upside. We saw it of a
thirty point game out of nowhere, and then he could
give you the floor of potentially depending on how the
offense works and where he lands in the rotation. I mean,
he can give you a solid you know, eight to

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ten points.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
So I mean I expects if Nico Collins signs a
four year, fifty something million dollar deal with the Texans
at the end of next year, essentially this you know,
off season of next year, where does he go in
dynasty value? Assuming him to take.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
I think is a career wide receiver two with up
with high upside, Yeah, yeah, yea, yeah, with boom.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Well that's what I would say. If he's valued outside
the top twenty four year league, that's why.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Yeah, he's probably on the back half of that twenty
four but yeah, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Well, you think he's you think he's like at wide receiver.
Where's he at right now? And keep trade cut? Let's
this is a double.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Key trade cut. I think I think to me, I
value him around wide receiver twenty to twenty four.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think he's in the thirties.
He certainly is in the thirties. I think he's like
wide receiver like thirty one in basketball right now. Playing
a lot of basketball helps.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
Keep you're in your basketball man, It's how you.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Keep the state, you know, the tinkering.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Nico Collins is wide receiver eighteen on keep trade cut,
So so he's made up there. He's about fairly ish
prize based on what.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
People feel like. The sentiment hasn't caught up on keep
trade cut yet. In your league, I think people are
kind of panic selling Nico Collins.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Well, I mean he's he's ahead of Tank Dell. He's ahead.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Oh boy, what do we change my mind?

Speaker 3 (58:35):
I changed doing?

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Go get Tank Dell? What am I saying? I thought
Tank Dell would be way?

Speaker 3 (58:40):
No?

Speaker 2 (58:40):
I changed my bi completely Tank Dell. Tank Dell is
the guy. Go get take.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Del Dell's wide receiver twenty four?

Speaker 2 (58:47):
What are we doing? Bro?

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Bro Okay, listen to this, Listen this.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
What are we doing?

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Keep Nico Collins is ahead of all these receivers. DJ Moore,
DK Metcalf, Zay Flowers, T Higgins and Tank Dell.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Tank. Actually I could make T Higgins and being head
of te Higgins and Tankdale doesn't make sense to me
at all.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
D Metcalf, I.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Could see a world. I could see a world. It's
been a while since K has been relevant, but he
belongs to me in that. In that DK tier Tank
Dell I changed I completely. Admittedly, I didn't even check
Keep Tree cut on that one because I thought there's
no way people are out on Tank Dell, who I
know is injured but had an awesome rookie season. C J.
Stroud in an interview, him and Micah Parsons were putting together.

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They're like all time best lineup guys in their primes,
like and c J. Stroud's perfect offense, like Michael was
drafting the best defense. Stroud put Tank de It was
his first pick at the receiver position. That's how much
he loves Tank Dell. Like, dude, go buy Tank Dell.
I take it all back. Stefan Diggs, Nico Collins second
to that guy agreed.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Yes, yeah, I mean I don't understand how people have nick.
They're riding the high of the end of last season.
That's exactly what it is. So he's po do go
buy Nico Collins Tampa your expectations and definitely filter whatever advice.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Josh Gibbs, I'm gonna I'm gonna send your buying takedown. Anyway.
Let's move on and we'll wrap up with tight ends. Dylan,
Let's move quickly because unless you play in a tight
end premium league, most of these guys don't matter, do
not matter?

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Yeah, so my buye Kyle Pits. Go and get you
some Kyle Pits. It's listen. I know this is exhausted
at this point, and I quite frankly have not been
on the Kyle Pits train at all at all.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
But that's a lie. In a re draft league two
years ago, I'll never forget. I was like, Dylan, who
do I take here? You're like, I'd go Kyle Pitts.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Kyle Pits the year, just yeah, that's probably I never
mentioned his name again, were times on this podcast for
years afterwards, but this this is the year. He is
the number two option. I don't care who they brought in.
I don't care what you say. Drake Lennon is going
to be the one and Kyle pits is going to
be the two. These both of those guys have top

(01:00:58):
ten draft capital. They're going they're going to get from
the ball. Kirk Cousins, we know is a significant upgrade.
We know Kirk Cousins loves his tight ends. I mean,
look at the history of tight ends.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
TJ.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Howkinson. Obviously, what was the tatted up dude's name in UH?

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Jordan Howard?

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Jordan Howard, No, No, the other guy with long hair Washington, No,
in UH, in Minnesota? Why am I drawing and playing
hold Rudolph? There we go, Yes, Rudolf Rudolph. All these
random tight ends were relevant because of Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
So Jordan was it Jordan Reid? It was Jordan Reed, Not.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Jordan Jordan Reed. Jordan Howard was a running.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Back, running back for the Bears.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Yeah, Jordan Reid. Yeah, but he likes his tight ends.
Needless to say, we know what physical specimen that Kyle
Pitts is. He's going to be relevant and tight end
position is what it is. Shoot for the upside and
there's the athleticism of an opportunity that's there for Kyle Pitts,
and go and buy it if you can. I mean
people I don't even know. I haven't even tried to
buy Kyle Pitch recently. I don't. Are people still wanting

(01:02:01):
the first for Kyle Pits, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
No they are. I mean I actually drafted him in
league record, and I'm with you on this. I believe.
I think it's final. If it's ever gonna happen, it's
gonna happen. Now you know he's he's still younger, he's still.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Younger, keep tighter, so I guess. But if you think
you think a first gets him from.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
You, no, no, I mean not. Keep in mind, in
a sixteen team league, a first is just so deluded.
It's just not the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
It just seems wrong doing like Kyle Pits for a first.
This would have made since probably two years ago, a
first in Evan Ingram, I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Would think after I think, after this year, Kyle Pits
will be worth the return on investment. If it's ever
gonna happen, it's gonna happen this year. And if I'm wrong,
a lot of people are, I'm willing to jump back
into the pool one more time because I do believe
it's been a quarterback issue and I believe he was
really injured last season as well. So who's your cell,
real quick, Dylan.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
My cell is the aforementioned TJ. Howkinson. The dude's coming
off of an acl TA. I don't know when he's
going to be back ready to play, went on record
saying that he's not gonna rush himself back. I just
I don't like it. I don't like it. I think
this is the decline for TJ. Howkinson, unfortunately. I just
with so many mouths to feed there. I mean, JJ

(01:03:14):
is gonna get familiar with the offense and then slide TJ. Howkinson,
and I think he's already gonna have his guys down
so and I'm already not high on JJ McCarthy, So
I just don't I think there's too many mouths to feed.
Justin Jefferson's going to get his because he's going to
get a fat contract this offseason, and then Jordan Addison
in the combination of maybe him and Hawkinson. But I
don't know why it's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Not gonna be as prolific as an offense. And I
agree completely. Hearkening backerly if you're been a fan of
the show for a while. We actually because of Mike's
relationship with him and I jokingly met. I said I
had met him before, which I had held the door
for him. One time. We had an opportunity to meet
Matthew Berry, who is the grandfather of fantasy advice.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
He gave him.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
It wasn't horrible, he was. He asked this for trade
advice on Shooty trade Travis Kelcey in a super Flex
league for Hawkinson and some other pieces, and I said, no,
I don't feel like Hawkinson had broken out enough. I
know he'd finished at tight End two, but it had
been a lesser year. I stand by that advice. I
look great right now. It feels fantastic. I don't at
all regret telling him that to watch Hawkinson then go

(01:04:15):
put up thirty the next week and both of you
and Mike texted me. Good advice, man, good advice. Yeah.
He's never coming back on absolutely not. But if he
played the long game, I think selling Hawkinson was the
right call and hanging on to Kelsey pretty simple here.
I'll wrap us up with this. My bye is Zelton
Kincaid I actually almost considered putting h Samuel Forta down

(01:04:37):
as a cell. Not because Samielport is going to be bad.
I think Samilport is going to be excellent, but just
I think there's going to be a new tight end,
one in keep trade cut and in people's minds after
the season. I think it's going to be Dalton Kincaid.
And I was kind of a hater last year. I
don't tend to believe in rookie tight ends breaking out,
and really Kincaid flashed, but he didn't get a chance
to fully break out. When you have over two hundred

(01:04:58):
and fifty targets vacate your team, then you have an
opportunity to break out. It seems to me that Keon
Coleman is going to be a great recipient of the
you know, Sefon Diggs leaving because they drafted him to
come in, maybe not replaced, but certainly help. But watching
Dalton Kincaid and watching Josh Allen's report with him, even
in the rookie year, I think there are very very

(01:05:19):
few tight ends that can command one hundred and twenty targets.
I think Dalton Kincaid's going to get that on top
of that in the work he showed last year. He
showed he can be great in the red zone, he
can be great after the catch. I think we're looking
at another big time slot, very similar to Travis Kelsey
in the utilization. Not quite yet into the ceiling, but
I think he could be there. I think Dalton Kincaid
and I regret not taking him in the League of record.

(01:05:41):
I think Dalton Kinkaid is unequivocally the tight end one
in Dynasty by the end of next season. I don't
think that's a spicy take. I don't think it's a
spicy take because I think the position, there's a couple
guys who are kind of is it you know right
now it's Laporta, but people are excited about Kinkaid. Does
Kyle Pitts break back out? And then also, well, that's
my cell. Trade McBride is myself. I talk a lot

(01:06:04):
about situations. I think Trade McBride is a very good
tight end, another guy who very similar to Laporta. I'm like,
I think he's really really solid, But I think the
hype has overshot the value. Trey McBride broke out on
a team where there was literally no one to throw
the ball to Marvin Harrison is as good a wide
receiver prospect as we've ever seen, so he is going

(01:06:27):
to instantly become the one in the offense. When Trade
McBride was breaking out and having his production, he was
unequivocally the one in the offense. We'll start there number two.
I think other receivers are also going to step up.
I'm not out on I know this sounds crazy on
a Greg Dortch and on a Michael Wilson. I think
these are decent.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Okay, we've gone too long. We've got you're over here,
you're over here here, no freaking door.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
I mean it's really more of a Michael Wilson take.
All I'm saying is that there was a lot of
young pass catchers there last year. I think they take
a step up and can command a few more targets
as well. I do think Trey McBride will be a
top five tight end, but where he's priced right now
in people's expectations of him, they're in love with with
a fantasy and not a fantasy football player. But the
idea that Trey McBride will be the one in the offense,
that's clearly not gonna happen with Marvin Harrison there, and

(01:07:14):
I think his target share gets eaten in two significantly.
So that's that's my cell. This has been by or Sell.
If anything you should take from this, if if you
couldn't hear a clear winner in the arguments because for
some reason you like the sound of Dylan's voice. One,
I'm so sorry for you. I'll pray for you, and
your team will get worse because of it. But two,
the whole theme is don't tinker, and so this should
serve as an you know, if we're gonna be this

(01:07:37):
opposed to each other's opinions on players, either pick one
or the other. Don't stay in the middle, and don't tinker.
Just stay out of the fight. Hold on to your
teams until.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Josh go buy Lad mcconchney and see how how many shares.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Of Yeah, Lad McCary. I think he's gonna be awesome.
Trade trade m qwenton Johnson, so I can have all
the charges receiver.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
It'll be good time, not happening, not happening.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Well, Dylan, this has been fun. It's really good to
have you back. Very few people I am willing to
disagree with as vehemently and still love immense Tim. So
it's it's good to have you back. Stay healthy. Thank
you for listening to another episode of The Dynasty Change.
We will be back next week with even more offseason
speculation happening. Maybe gonna be taking a look at which
offense is we're most excited to see changeover due to

(01:08:24):
coaching James. It's gonna be good. Peace. Oh yeah, Okay,

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