May 14, 2024 • 47 mins
This week on the podcast, with Dylan sidelined by the flu, Josh taps into his network to bring back his favorite new trade partner, Thomas Smith for a deep dive into the rookie draft and the finer points of dynasty league strategy.
The duo kicks off with a critical analysis of Jared Goff's colossal contract extension with the Detroit Lions. Could this record-setting deal diminish the fantasy prospects of future Lions players? And what's the future hold for OC Ben Johnson with talents like Sam LaPorta and Amon-Ra under his wing?
Plus, Josh bids a poignant farewell to the Hendon Hooker hype. Meanwhile, Thomas shares valuable insights from his inaugural rookie drafts, spotlighting his top picks: Jermaine Burton and Troy Franklin. Don't miss Josh's expert tips on amassing draft picks—a game-changer for your fantasy lineup!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dynasty.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
One of the most important aspects of every Dynasty player's
game is how well they can pivot. If we were
to turn the clock back to September of last year
and you were the Nick Chubb owner and you didn't
have pivot in your golf bag, if you were the
Aaron Rodgers owner and you did not know how to
pivot like Nicoleyoacic, I always mispronounced his name. Here's the point.
(00:34):
When life gives you lemons, you got to be able
to make lemonade. I am always joined by my friend
of fifteen years in esteam colleague, mister Dylan Egloff. But
homeboy decided to have a week immune system today and
get a fever. He is sick in bed. I was like,
dang it, all right, Dylan, It's all good. I phoned
up my newest, most bestest favorite trade partner in both leagues,
(00:57):
specifically the League of Record the Dynasty Exchange, and I
called Thomas Smith because you know what in my Smith
Power rankings, this might be Michael Smith presents the Dynasty Exchange,
but Thomas Smith is becoming a favorite and the favorite
of the Dynasty Exchange host. Thomas, thank you for joining
me and being the first attempt at lemonade for today's show.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Wow, we thank you very much. I appreciate that man.
Thank you for having me on the show. Dylan, get
well soon, brother, And yeah, just you know, start accepting
my trade office. That's all I gotta say about him.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Right, he's playing high and mighty right now.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Huh. He is playing high and he got some receivers
and he don't want to part with him.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
But it's cool. I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get
him one day. I'm gonna get I'm gonna get somebody
from him.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, I hear We'll see I hear it.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, we got a lot to talk about, Gonna cover
the Jared Goff news, all the fantasy fallout. What does
this mean for Hendon Hooker owners? Spoiler alert, He's gonna
stay on your bench for the rest of forever. Talk
about everything that that touches. And then we're also gonna
be diving into our rookie draft reactions. Thomas was just
a part of both the Cartel, which has served as
our suit a league of record, but then our actual
(02:01):
league of record at the Dynasty Exchange, that sixteen team
Superflex League the whopper of an experience that it is
excited to get your thoughts as a newer Dynasty player, Thomas.
But also the second part of the lemonade is we
were supposed to have Michael Holly on the show tonight,
but due to actual technical difficulties, we're gonna have two
shows this week. He's gonna come back and rejoin us
Wednesday because he was we were unable to make the connection. So, Thomas,
(02:24):
you not only stepped in to help be a co
host when Dylan was out, you're the star of the
show man like you're unexpectedly called upon. And I think
that's actually very similar to how Jared Goff is feeling,
because the reality is when he went to Detroit, it
was like he's part of the Stafford trade, Like this
is kind of a nice bonus piece. Well, we'll ride
(02:45):
out this contract and move on. But you know what,
he found a place, he stayed. He the city embraced him,
and now he is the second highest paid quarterback on
an annual salary, second only to Joe Burrow himself. Thomas
right away, does he deserve that money? Does a quarterback
like golf who's very good? We're both golf fans, let's
(03:05):
be clear, but certainly not top five in production and
certainly not top five in talent. Why does he deserve
fifty two million dollars a year.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
He don't deserve fifty two million.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I mean, let's just be real. Let's just keep it
one hundred. He is not one of our top quarterbacks.
I love Jared Golf. He is a you know, polarizing
figure amongst like I guess, dynasty owners and fantasy football
people and all of this stuff. But he is stable.
(03:37):
He is stability personified. You know what I'm saying, Like,
if you want somebody who's gonna lead your team and
who's not gonna cause chaos and who is you know,
serviceable and who can get the job done. Is Jared Golf.
And he gonna do what his offensive coordinator tells him
to do. We know that from the Sean McVay experience.
(03:58):
So he is a guy that you can rely on.
And I think, I think under Dan Campbell that is
more important than being having a you know, Patrick Mahomes
or Lamar Jackson's skill set. I think he is a
guy that you can lean on and he could get you.
(04:19):
I mean, listen, he got to the Super Bowl, he
got to the NFC Championship game, almost pulled that out.
You got to give him credit, like he deserves to
be treated with high regard, But is he the is
he should be, he'd be paid second most. No, I
just think it's the market and it's just timing.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
It's it's just one of those things where it feels
like if you're an agent, you know, like we talk
about some of the best jobs to have in life,
it's like a backup QB, Like you make millions of dollars,
you ride the bench like, Hey, great game, guys. You know,
I warmed up coffee for the morning, you know, for
the meeting, So.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
It's going to back do this. You should you should
check this out.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, did you notice that that guy was open while
you were getting hit by a undercound guy that runs
for Yeah, he was open, just to let you know,
I got your rad Yeah, but second best job maybe
actually better, dude, if you're if you're an agent for
one of these qbs, that's an above average starter in
the NFL. You all you have to do is just
(05:16):
copy and paste the terms of the last guy who
signed a deal. Going back about thirty years now and
it's just instant revenue, instant payday, two hundred and twelve million,
one hundred and seventy guaranteed. From a fantasy perspective, Jared
Goff is hotly debated. I know you mentioned that because
he's one of those guys that's always a fringe QB one.
There are seasons when he finishes in the top twelve
(05:38):
and seasons when he's just outside, especially with his time
with Detroit. I think it's awesome news for Alman roll
Saint Brown, who's got a four year deal. I think
it's awesome for Sam Laporta, who you know, was there
as a rookie, and Ben Johnson not leaving. It's it
really feels like Detroit has this vibe like, hey, we're
gonna keep the core guys, We're gonna keep the band
(05:58):
together no matter what. And obviously Jared Goff's a huge
part of that. So whether or not I agree with
the money, you know that it doesn't matter. The quarterbacks
are going to get paid absurd amounts just as the
cap continues to go up because they're rare to find.
I don't think it's good news for Dak Prescott. Well,
it's great news for Dak Prescott is a person. As
a Cowboys fan, I'm upset because now Dak is going
(06:19):
to get a huge deal because he's putting up way
better numbers than Goff. But maybe Jerry will quote, Hey,
this guy's been to an NFC Championship game. Talk to
me when you've been to one of those. That would
be my hope. All that being said, I think Goff
you can pencil him in as a high end quarterback
two in superflex for years to come. The concern I have,
if there is one to have with this news, because
(06:41):
this is mostly good news, it is hard to have
the type of supporting cast he has when you have
a quarterback on one of those mega deals. And it's
not to say Goff's contract previously was nothing, but it
certainly wasn't a top five at the position, top top
two on a per year basis. So I'm concerned about
when Jamiers is going to need to get paid. I
(07:01):
don't know that Jamison Williams is going to be there
for a second contract, and he hasn't shown much, but
for the next two years, fire up all your lines.
I think it's gonna be a great experience.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I agree with you to, but one caveat to that.
I don't think this is good for Jamison Williams. Look,
Jamison Williams will because Jamison Williams is a deep threat,
you know what I mean. I don't see him as
being an intermediate guy or underneath guy or whatever. Jared
Golf does not throw deep, you know. Alman ra say
(07:32):
Brown is perfect for Jared Golf. Jamiir Gibs, This perfect
for Jared Golf. Laporta perfect for Jared Golf. I think
this limits the ceiling of a Jamison Williams and as
high like as hype as he was coming out of
Alabama coming into the draft, I don't think we're gonna
(07:52):
see that version of him until he goes somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
And it actually might be a blessing in disguise.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
That Jared got the money because I don't know if
they want to pay, because you can't pay two receivers
in this league. You just can't got to put your quarterback.
So when his payday is due, I think he might
be going to a green of pastures where somebody could
actually throwing the ball.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, that's an interesting point. The other thing is if
you I mentioned it at the top of the show,
a lot of people were excited for Jamison Williams to
be connected to Hendon Hooker, who the lines took a
year ago, you know, in the second round, and so
Hendon Hooker was a prospect that he threw the deep
ball really really well at Tennessee, and so people were
excited maybe that connection was going to happen. Hendon Hooker,
(08:34):
for all intents and purposes, is not the heir apparent.
Jared Goff is the present and he is the future.
You know, Hendon Hooker would have to get a chance
somewhere else. He's worth next to nothing. He's a high
quality handcuff. If you're the Jared Goff owner, now you
can go by Hendon Hooker at a very reasonable rate.
Jami or Gibbs is a running back, and so getting
a second contract is going to be hard. In general,
(08:55):
that's favorable, but I think he will and running backs
get paid nothing, so I'm not really concerned about them.
So all in all, wheels up for the Lions offense.
Ben Johnson's staying they're super excited, But just from a
fantasy perspective, is there any is there any concern you
have Thomas about like Ben Johnson really being what is
(09:17):
making all these guys look good and if he leaves,
it's all going to fall apart.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, I think you have to have that concern.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, I'm sure you do too, Right'.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
That's my thing is like everything seems everything's been going
too well. There's too many good vibes in Detroit right now,
and I'm not that's not a bad thing. I'm happy
for the city Detroit like Buffalo and Detroit like I
will always root for them in a vacuum when I
turn on the TV in playoffs, when I turn on
the team unless they're playing against Cowboys, I'm like, these
are both franchises and fans that I want to see
(09:48):
happy in the world. And Detroit, things have been wheels
up Detroit for the last year, especially with the season
they just had. But for Fantasy like, Detroit's all been
like Samuel Porta was a Darling Gibbs back half the season.
I have shares of him in Cartel where we play together.
I'm obsessed. I love Jamiir Gibbs. Jared Goff is like,
you know, it's the Ryan Goslin comparison. Comparisons, It's the ken.
(10:12):
You know, now he gets the bag. It's redemption. It's like, Okay,
all that's great, but we're I think we're all forgetting
that the most talented, sought after offensive coordinator turned down
a head coaching job this last season. So either he's
gonna move on and they're gonna you know, they're gonna
succeed and they's gonna move on after a year, or
he's not nearly as you know, it's it's gonna fizzle out.
(10:33):
And so I just this might be the peak for
all the players I just mentioned. So if you're in
a rebuild, sell high on this news. All the pieces
I just mentioned have long term value. Goff Laporta amen Ra,
which I don't think any of us were, Tom is
Amana quarterback proof. You don't tie his success to golf,
do you?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
No? I don't. I think I really do. Think he's
a talented player that yeah plays that position like you can.
I feel like any quarterback would be lucky to have
him on the team, And if anything, I think it's
the opposite. I think he's made Jared Golf look better,
you know what I mean? Yeah, I think he has
he has such a knack for getting open and beating
(11:18):
his own coverage. And he is just he is, and
he's a feisty player too, like he wants it. He like,
that's why you pay him all that money, because he
is a guy that you know you can depend on.
And they building a great culture in Detroit. Don't get
me wrong. I love the culture that they're building, and
the players that they picking are really players that I
feel like are buying in to the culture fit. But
(11:42):
like he was saying with Ben Johnson, man money talks,
and eventually somebody's gonna offer him a bag and they're
gonna give him. They might give him all kinds of
control and say, hey, you know you could pick your players,
you can beat a head coach and do whatever you
want to, pick your staff, pick everything. They might give him,
like some kind of like Bill Belichick type control or something,
and you can Sean Payton and you can't turn that down.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
He keeps succeeding. He's gonna get promoted, and the only
other place he can get promoted is getting a head
coach jing job. Dan Campbell's clearly not gonna go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
No, I agree.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
We don't talk about Amanad enough. It's funny like he
is in the top four. You know what I mean
Dynasty wide receivers. We have the big three in Jamar
CD and Jay Jettas, but Amina is as good a
receiver as there is. I feel he's quarterback proof. He's
an incredible slot. He feels like a younger, tougher Gritty
or Keenan Allen, you know, just a great fantasy asset.
(12:34):
So great news for all of them. And well, we
won't damper too much on Detroit's parade. This is a
happy day for them and a happy day for Jared Goff.
We're gonna take a quick break and when we come back, Thomas,
I want to hear a lot more from you, specifically
on this is you know, you had a startup draft,
You've got an orphan league, and you just experienced your
first rookie drafts. What were the takeaways and what were
kind of the things you didn't expect that happened, and
(12:56):
just that you experienced it, Like every single Dynasty player
is either already experience or experiencing right now. So we'll
have that right after this. I've said it on this
show exhaustively and I will continue to say it. One
of the main goals and tenants of this show is
to be a case study for you as a player.
The listener needs to realize, I can send you how
(13:16):
I rank players, I can send you what looks like
a draft kit, but it's going to pale in comparison
to the experience about playing against savvy owners. You know,
every player is good in a vacuum. It's knowing how
to build a team when everyone else is trying to
do the same, to go chase a championship. And so
we're so excited, you know, to grow the Dynasty Exchanged community,
(13:37):
specifically with our owners and Thomas, you're a huge part
of that. What was it like, Thomas, you've adopted be
the case study because you're you're kind of the focal
point tonight. You adopted an orphan team in Cartel, a
very good team, but you worked right away to make
it your own. And then part and part of that
was trading away some big pieces, specifically Pukinakua to go
(13:58):
get the one aw eight in Cartel and then in
the Dinosty Exchange had you got a chance to build
that team from scratch and then you you were heavily
invested in that draft as well. So before we hop
into any more specific questions about either roster, I want
to know which draft was more fun for you. Was
it the team you adopted trying to make your own,
or the team you were building from the ground up.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I think it was a team I was building from
the ground up because I got to pick every player
and position them like the chess board in exactly how
I wanted to build my team up from the roots,
you know, love it, love it. With Cartel, it was,
and that's the smaller league, the one I inherited. It
(14:39):
was man like, I had to make some tough decisions,
you know, like, but I wanted to put my stamp
on it. So trading Pook and Nicol was not something
I wanted to do. Like I saw the team and
I'm like, well, I had an older roster. I had
a very older roster. I had like Ezekiel, Elliott, Miles Sanders,
and I had people who are expiring, you know, and
(15:00):
I felt like I needed to make a big, major
move to get some to inject some youth first of all,
and also to just like put my stamp on it
because I love Pooka Nicole, I really do. But yeah,
you know, sometimes you got to make, especially with in Dynasty.
Like I've learned, and I'm still fairly new, you have
to make really tough decisions if you want to have
(15:24):
your team the way you want it. Like you could
go buy every ADP and every ranking and all of that,
but if you don't have the guys that you believe in,
that you want or that you want to watch, it
becomes a little bit of a grind. It doesn't feel
as good.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I couldn't agree more man. And another thing is this
is bad in the Dynasty community. You know, I adopted
an orphan team too often. I think people expect to
just outright win trades in an egregious manner, and that's
what they call good trades. I don't call those good trades.
I call those bad players. If you can take advantage
of someone to a level that's obvious to everyone in
(16:02):
the room, well congrats, that's just not a that's not
a competitive enough league, that's like, and those happen even
in competitive leagues. You shouldn't not celebrate when you take
advantage of your buddy because he's maybe had too many
at the draft party, Like that's all part of fantasy.
But to kind of defend. Some listeners may hear, oh,
you traded pukinakup away for just the one to eight
just to set the table really quickly. There was only
(16:22):
two owners that had any serious draft capital in Dynasty cartel,
and you were your team was so deep at receiver,
and so for you to put your mark on it,
you had to sell. You weren't essentially a price setter.
You were a price taker, and so you had to
deal where you were the deepest at the position you
could afford. Dare I say to lose a pooka akua
(16:44):
and take a risk at the one away to address
quarterback or other needs. Those are the trades that to
me are the most satisfying because they pay off in
year two or year three of making them. Those are
the risk. There's got to be risk involved in the
Dynasty community. We've got to realize. It's like the best
trades look risky when they're made full stop. If they don't, congrats,
(17:06):
you're just being a trade calculator and we can all
celebrate you. In the interim. You're either playing bad players
or you don't see the forest for the trees, so
to speak. So I get that you were kind of
you were cornered in cartel and you had to make
some good moves. I like what you did there going
to exchange, which was kind of more fun. How why
don't you give listeners, like what was the core of
(17:27):
your team at the startup Draft? Because just to remind people,
we do a startup draft. The league is brand new,
sixteen teams, super flex, tied in the premium, all the
bells and whistles, as they say, you set the table
at the startup Draft, and then you've got the rookie
Draft coming up. We were able to trade picks in
both leagues. A lot of that happened. What did you
leave the start I was really impressed with your team
(17:48):
leaving the Startup Draft. What were kind of some of
the key pieces on that team and why did you
build it that way?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I wanted to build a team that wasn't so top heavy.
There's a in my philosophy of dynasty, and I could
be wrong because like, I'm still a rookie, but I
think that I think that I know what I'm doing.
My philosophy to me, yeah right, My philosophy is get
(18:16):
as much depth as you can. I'm talking about starting lineups.
I'm talking about your bench. It is a war of attrition.
We're talking seventeen game seasons. We're talking players that don't
perform well or get hurt. If you had T Higgins
before last season, you were excited. Yeah. T Higgins did
not show up last season, not because he didn't play well.
(18:38):
When he was on the field, you played pretty well,
but it wasn't as good as the seasons before, and
he got hurt. So you basically you have a player
on your team who's gone from possible wide receiver two status,
maybe even possibly low win wide receiver one. If everything
breaks right coming into the last year, you're thinking, oh,
(18:59):
maybe the third year break out. It didn't happen, So
now what do you pivot to. You pivot to your bench,
and you got you know, I'm trying to think of
somebody who's just you got maybe Jamison Williams on your bench,
and he didn't produce much. So you have to So
when I look at Dynasty, I'm looking at it in
longevity terms. The season is going to be seventeen games,
(19:22):
are going to be people who get hurt. The Joe
Burrows of the world miss games, and Jake Browning takes over.
You got all of these different running backs that come
out of nowhere every single year. So when I looked
at when I came out of my startup draft, I
had a very top heavy team, and I really loved it.
I really really loved it. Yeah, and I know you
were a fan of it. But I and I know
(19:43):
that I ended up trading the way Brandon Ayuk, and
I know that was probably not viewed as something that
was so smart. But I think you mentioned this before.
I look at things like the fact that he was
his efficient see was out of this world last year.
(20:04):
Can he replicate that? It's like having touchdown regression? Can
you replicate the same thing over and over again? We
don't have evidence of somebody who can have that efficiency
back to back.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Especially if they go to a different team, which he
is potentially rumored to do. So in the list of outcomes,
I think he's a peak value. I don't think it
was an unwise trade if you sense that, hey, this
is his best years are mostly behind him at this point.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Possibly and Brandon and Ayyuk had a lot of people
doubt him coming into the draft, but he was ended
up with Kyle Shanahan. We don't know what it looks
like without Kyle Shanahan, just like you were talking about
Ben Johnson, we don't know what those players would look
like without Ben Johnson around him.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
So it is a risk involved in everything.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
But I feel like the more players you have that
you feel in good situations who have upside, and that's
what I look for. I look for upside and I
look for players and good situations on good offense.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
It's a potentially good offense. And if that's the case.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Then I feel like my depth can be my depth
will take me however far that my team can go,
I think, and I don't have to be so top heavy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I think that's especially true in sixteen team as well.
Like it's it's more so true. Like I feel like,
if you play in a ten team league, let's be honest,
it's who has McCaffrey, Like there's there's certain players every
year at the position that are just a complete tier above.
I was looking at some averages, you know, talking about
the War of Attrition. To your point, you mentioned Jake Browning.
(21:37):
Do you want to know who the number two in
points per game QB was last year? Just guess, just
take a wild guess. This is like my favorite.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Number points per game.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, Josh All, yeah, I was figuring that not Lamar,
was it Lamar?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
It was Joe Flacco, Dude. Joe Flacco in replacement with
Shaun Watson went on as tore Oh yeah yeah, Joe
Flacco won people championships. It's the war of attrition. But
if you play in a ten team league, McCaffrey averaging
twenty three points per game at the running back position,
next closest was Kyrone at twenty one and he was
only there for twelve games. Then you jump down to
seventeen points. So like there is definitely in those bigger
(22:18):
leagues of sixteen teen leagues, you're winning championships because of
Joe Flacco far more than you are because of Christian McAffrey.
Because it's just hard to time when certain players are
going to have a career year. Now, McCaffrey, he's an outliar.
He's worth a lot. We're not saying that he's not.
But so your team just to go over, you draft
to Patrick Mahomes to build around him at the one
of two, traded up to get that. Will Levis is
(22:40):
your quarterback too, and you had Aukid pre solid receiver.
Corpt Ayuk was definitely the strong one. You have James Cook,
who I know you love, and then who do you
have at tight end?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I just traded for David and Joku. I came into it.
I came into the week with just Noah fan Ok
as my main tight end. I had a couple on
my bench at John new Smith. I have John new
Smith on my bench. I have a couple of upside
play tight ends. But get for you then that's what
I Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I ended up
(23:10):
trading Javonte Williams. There was some other parts to the trade,
but it was mainly Javonte Williams for David and Jokes.
And in a tight end premium league, you gotta have
a good tight end and I just felt like I
was lacking and I don't want to That's the one
thing I don't want to do. If it's a tight
end premium or something like that, like super Flex, you
want two good quarterbacks. If it's super Flex, you know
(23:32):
you need you need quarterbacks with upside it tight end premium,
you need a tight end with upside. Yeah, that's what
I got. Yeah and the rest Yeah, exactly, And so
the rest of the roster. You fill out how you
fill it out. You take chances on people, take chances
on players heaving like Za mere White. I will not.
I do not want to trade the mere White because
he is going to get carries. He's going to tote
(23:52):
the rock and he's going and I think I think
last time I looked at his ADP was going like
somewhere in the eighth or ninth round when he can
easily be on that sport.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, no, he could be. He certainly could be. Well,
that's actually interesting that you brought up. I want to
assume going to the rookie draft, what did you secure?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
You didn't you have sa mere White?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Right?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
M You love him, you believe in him. Don't you
want insurance on that thing that you love and believe in.
Because my only pick in the rookie draft was superstar
rookie out of New Hampshire Dylan Laubo. Okay, six round pick.
He's gonna be. I mean he's five ten two o eight.
If you want to come get him from me, Thomas,
I mean, the phone's open.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Like making deals, you try to get the deal.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Listen, I just think you know you know where my
team is at I came into the season I'm punting
for for the next two years. So I got there.
So I don't need running backs like you love Samir White,
you love James Cook. You want to ride those guys
to glory. Come get this great rookie. And speaking of rookies,
we can come back to that trade later. What was
your strategy in the rookie draft? What was that like
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being in the rookie draft. First of all, for me,
just as a spectator, I traded mostly out of this
rookie draft. We had some wild, hilarious beefs get started,
some crazy trades happened, people got sniped in some epic
epic ways. As part of why life gave you know,
life giving us Lemons again. I was so excited to
talk to Michael Hawley with you tonight because your brother
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Michael Smith at like Michael Hawley, they have a show
together called Brother from Another other than you, Thomas. I'm
pretty sure Michael Hawley is as close to a brother
as Michael Smith has.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
YEA.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
From what I understood, it is alleged that there was
fighting words being spoken because of certain moves that were made.
But for you, what was your favorite part of that
rookie draft, Like, what were some highlights for you, either
picks you made or just things you saw happening.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Let me just say this first and foremost. Apparently they
had no friends in Dynasty, right you could. Yeah, there's
no you know, courtesy calls or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
You just if you see an opportunity, you pounce on.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
But I'll let Michael Holly tell that story because I
think it was a little bit more to him.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
He says. He says, there's corruption that goes to the
very top. It's a conspiracy he's excited to unfold. Like
it was. It was so good.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
It was.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I was baffled watching it watching it. But yeah, continue,
Oh the.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Sea word corruption. Oh that's juicy. Uh no, man, listen.
I that draft was so I think the rookie draft
is my favorite thing of Dynasty. It was crazy, first
of all, like Mike jump into Mike jumping to the
one or two to get Marvin Harrison and only drafting
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receivers he had already I give him props for this.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
He had already gotten two of the best quarterbacks in
Dynasty in his draft and just like sat out a
startup draft and to get up and go get Marvin
Harrison and end up getting and end up the board
falling to him with elite neighbors and Roman doons. I
believe he got those.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Three, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's I mean, that's.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
A win in my opinion. I mean, I don't think
any of those guys are gonna bust. I mean, you
might have to wait on some like league winning seasons,
but I don't think anybody's gonna bust in that group.
But for me, I really enjoyed this draft, especially trading
down I think is the way to go. If you're
not going if you're not in that top eight, if
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you don't have those top eight guys, the best strategy
is trading down and getting some of these players in
the second, third round, maybe even fourth round, depending on
how big the league is, because there are a lot
of opportunities for these rookies these I look at it
like this with this draft especially, there are so many
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good receivers that they're getting pushed down. The receivers that
would normally be in the second third, some maybe even
late first rounds are in the later rounds of this draft.
And those people are going to play because they're talented
enough to do it. And when I look at rookie drafts,
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I want to see where the talent is. If there's
a lot like next year is supposed to be a
deep running back class, well you want to have running
backs in that draft. You don't want to. You want
to whatever running backs you have on your roster, probably
purge them and get.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Them seven back by what's advertised with the draft class.
Don't try to zig where yees sacks because that's a
huge part of normal fantasy. Like if I'm in a
redraft league and everyone goes running back in the first round,
I'm just going to take the best receiver. But in
this rookie draft, it's like, hey, it's a deep receiver class.
I don't care if it's the tenth best receiver off
the board, he's better than the second best running back.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I like that. Absolutely no running back in this class
can you definitively say, oh my god, he's coming in
and starting. There's not one running back so because you're basically.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah, Jonathan Brooks is injured, so yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Draft them backups and you could go all the way
down and get a Javon Baker sometimes in the fourth round,
of your rookie draft, and he has a path to
start right away and become the alpha. So when you
want to take a chance on that.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Yeah, And I.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Drafted him like Jermaine Burton. Yeah, because you were a
big Jermaine Burton when we had you on the last show.
Did you actually get a chance to take him?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I ended up trading for him. So I made the
mistake of trying to wait the draft. You guys, Draft
you guys. I made the mistake of trying to wait
to draft him thinking he would fall to me. I
was in the second round, and I picked Ricky Piersoll
because he was the best value. Again, draft you, guys.
Don't worry about ADP because as soon as I did it,
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I felt this like eight yeah. And then the next
pick yeah, and then the next pick Jermaine Burton. So
I ended up having the trade Jayden Reed uh for TAIJ.
Spears and Jermaine Burton, and I got a couple of picks.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Back and it's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, it was good. It was a deal.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I know you like Jayden Reed as well. I have
to disagree, though, at least my strategy with with rookie drafts. No,
here's my thing in a startup draft. I agree with you.
I trade back in startup drafts because after the first
eight guys, like you talked about, the tiers are so
close together, and guys will get taken in the third
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round that you know, Jordan Love in a startup last
year was a seventh round pick. Okay, I'm going to
trade back and build my team off dart throws with
established NFL careers. I don't feel that I'm smarter than
NFL analysts, so I want lots and lots of early
first round picks to build my team with with rookie
because there's just such a smaller bust rate. Well, I
do agree this class is deep. I don't pride myself
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on being able to pick sleepers to the same rate
others do. In fact, I think a lot of us
fool ourselves were we remember the one guy we got
right and we forget all the the I mean, last year,
Quentin Johnson was a no miss, perfect landing spot, awesome receiver,
and then there were sleepers. I'm trying to think of
a sleeper from last year. Taikewon Thornton's two. Three years ago.
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You know I was a two two outlol. Guy, he
sort of worked out, but like, these guys are sexy
in April, like the Javon Bakers, the Jermaine Burton's, like,
oh dude, they're gonna be so great. I mean, Marvin Mims,
you could say, is kind of a miss. I think
there's a pathway for him. But last year it was
like a hype's name. I would say Chase Brown is
a miss, but he started a flash at the end
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of the year. But these guys were like mid to
late second it was like, Oh my gosh, they're gonna
be so good. And then you know, the NFL season
rolls around, it's like, oh, they get thirty percent snap
percentage or they're struggling to get first team reps. Like
it's hard to make it in the NFL. So I
want high end rookie picks. I'll let someone else figure
out the darth throws and the second and the third round.
But if you do that, you miss out on Puka
and sat An al Monro.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
So I get it, thank hell Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, yeah, well I actually like take te I will
admit it. So okay, okay, I'm speaking on both sides
of my mouth. You're right, So who was your face.
Was there one pick between the two rookie drafts you
were part of, which one was your favorite pick and
the one you believe in the most.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Jamaine Burd hands down. Yeah. I've mentioned him a couple
of times. Man. I so, first of all, playing at
Georgia and Alabama and starting for both teams, it's pretty impressive. Yeah. Secondly,
he you you just put on his tea, just put
on his tea. He looks the part. He has aggression
(32:39):
and I know that that he has off the field
aggression too. Listen, I'm not I don't even want to
dive into that, Like I don't conduct.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
You're breaking news to me. I'm like, oh, tell me more.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
No, he's got he's got some stuff he's got to
work out or that he needs to get past. But
you know, hopefully he does. And I really, I really
root for him. But as far as just being a
football player, you see it on the field. He wants it.
He goes up and gets the ball, he contested, catches,
he goes he's a deep threat, he has great hands.
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There is a consensus of analysts who have said that
he is a first round talent. Chris sim said it,
I think I heard Phil Yate say it, and some
other people have talked about how good he would if
he didn't have the off the field issues.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
He's going late first round, early second round.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
To me, that value of him dropping to the third
round and him going in late seconds sometimes early thirds
of your dynasty draft.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
You want him at that price.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
You want somebody like that at that price, because a
lot of times these guys have bad comed by Troy
Franklin as another one. A lot of times that was.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
The name I was going to bring up. I'm glad
you mentioned him, because that's another one where it's like
it seems like he fell for reasons we can't understand,
because everything on the field and everything combine wise would
certainly say end of the first start of the second round.
I love where that he landed up in Denver with
his guy Bo Nicks, because there's there's immense upside there,
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like you're saying, but maybe there's not the loyalty. He
doesn't have as large and as long of a window
to prove it in the NFL like some of these
early first round picks too.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, No, you're right about that, dude. I heard something
the other day somebody said that the best. They said,
people don't have patience anymore in the NFL. Yeah, if
you're not breaking through in the first year, maybe second year,
then your bust and they will get rid of you.
They will they will put you or they will put
you on the bench where you're the fourth or fifth
guy because you just can't produce.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Like look at Malik Willis.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Malik Willis had like three opportunities to start for a
team that was really bad at the time, and I
think he had a lot of injuries and now he
might be the third quarterback, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Malik Willis to me, yeah, I mean I don't not
that I taking the people away from it. Just from
the gamesman ship standpoint, I don't feel bad for players
in that situation simply because the NFL is so competitive.
That's what makes it an incredible product. Exactly, like exactly,
that's why we all love it and respect it so much.
Because to be a consistent starter in the NFL, you
have to be unbelievable. You have to be otherworldly at
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football just to be a consistent starter, much less a star,
even more so a fantasy superstar where you're padding the
stats and putting up gaudy numbers, so it's it's fun
to see happen. But Jermaine Burton's your guy. I totally
totally respect that. Yours.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
I have Ricky piersoll on Cartel. Yeah, am I high
on Wrecky Pierson.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I'm high on this situation. Whatever I'm betting, I'm betting
that somebody gets moved and he gets an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
You don't have a pears in exchange.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
No, I treated him for Jermaine Burten.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
He was he was part of the who'd you trade
him to? Just curious because he may you.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Know, you try to make all kinds of moves this podcast.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I'm just listen. When new information becomes available, you just
got to kind of jump at it. You know, there's
no friends in Dynasty. It's just say, is there an opportunity?
Is there a deal to get done here?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
You know that's true? Man, I respect it. Yeah, never
stopped working. I think Tana Tanda is the guy.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Okay, yeah, yeah, he has not been on the show before.
All right, I'll be to'll be tough to get he's.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, he's a tough cub. You gotta be fair with him, man,
he likes fair deal.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Oh yeah, No, and that's every league has that, Like
there's not you get to know the landscape of a
league over time. But something I love that we did
with Exchange, and I highly recommend any any league that's
looking to get started make sure everyone knows at least
two other people in the league. It just helps open
trade negotiations so much quicker. You know, I'm in an
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orphan league where a lot of the guys who are
in it clearly playing like six to ten leagues, and
so it's just kind of a stock portfolio day trading vibe,
and and the trades just feel like trade calculators like
I have to lose the trade for them to even
look at it. And it's like, okay, guys like cool,
I'm adopting a losing frame. This is just gonna take
me longer to turn around, but I'm gonna do it.
(37:09):
So I like the relational like you're getting to know
how this owner thinks and how this other owner thinks.
Because at the end of the day, what's fair. Who
knows both the players you traded him could be complete
busts and you could have gotten the best players or
vice versa. But all of us have an opinion, and
no Oh yeah, it's not a fair deal, like right away,
it's just always a free dynamic to me.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
And we know what opinions are, We know what opinions are.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
I think I named my team correct opinions. Oh yeah, yeah,
everyone's wrong, but me, like, I'm alone doing it right.
And that's the only thing I'm I'm gonna tell myself.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Well, speaking of that, I got to ask you, man,
So what's it like to be the guy who is
the bank? Like do you feel like you're missing out
on something when you're not involved in these rookie drafts
or when you and your startup picks and taking off
first round picks like you gotta man, you got like
a whole bank full of first round picks and second
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round picks. But the future so everybody's got to come
to you, right, But but do you feel left out
when you do these startups and these rookie drafts? Like
what do you how do you? How do you deal
with all the day?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, just to give further context, like in our in
our startup draft, people were trading draft picks for future
capital so flippantly, I think a seventh round pick was
going for a twenty six first a seventh round startup pick,
and I looked at who that was based on avp'd
it was like David and Joku. To I was trying
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to think what another name that was kind of in
that tier. David and Joku was the one. I was like, okay,
even in a time in premium, would I ever trade
a first straight up for a David and Joku or
a I think it was like Mike Evans, That's what
it was. It was Mike Evans, and I was like,
oh my gosh, I would do that in a heartbeat,
and so over time. I wasn't intending to do this
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at thet, but I ended up trading away most, if
not all, of my startup picks, as well as my
rookie picks for all future firsts and seconds. I don't
recommend that strategy for a first time player with their
first time startup because the fomo you just mentioned is
so real. I was trying to trade back into the
rookie draft several times at and I was willing to overpay,
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but I had so much capital. It's like, okay, now
I can you know I made a profit. Now I
can take some shots on some guys, like you know,
I'm a big key on Coleman fan. Roocky Piersoll makes
a lot of sense for a team that's window isn't
open yet, in my opinion, someone I really really like
in two to three years time, similar to JSN. So
it sucks, man like because I've done it before and
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I've had to rebuild a team, I've had to tear
something down. I'm I'm willing to do it simply because
I've also had the pain of feeling like, holy cow,
I'm full of injuries. I'm trying to compete, but my
team's getting older. When you're going and you're chasing a
championship and you have like a Travis Kelcey on your roster,
or Derrick Henry or I'm trying you know, Josh Jacobs.
Those are all players that they're fun to have when
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the NFL season kicks off, but by week four you're
scrambling because you only have so many roster spots, you
only have so much, you know, assets to try to
build this championship team. And if you see start seeing
playoffs slip away, it sucks man. You're like, holy cow,
I just wasted all that time and effort. So for me,
the way I combat the fomo is knowing all this season,
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I'm injuries don't matter to me like I'm they do.
I have players on my team still, I don't want
them to get injured, but I'm just looking to I'm
looking to acquire more capital because I know that my
day will come. It's just going to be a year
from now or two years from now. Biding into that
discipline and just telling yourself everyone's going to like want
to be me eventually. I think it's the same thing
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for people who are able to wake up at five
am and go to the gym. I just wish that
dynasty has bled over into that part of my life,
like that would be great, but it has. It's this
discipline of like, hey, I'm sacrificing enjoying today to really
enjoy tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
And I get it.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
People are like, it's not that deep. It is that deep,
and it matters to me in a dynasty, But yeah,
having done it before is the only reason I'm.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Able to do it right right, And I honestly I
don't think.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
I don't think I can do it unless I was
forced to, Like if I just had a team that
was aging out and I'm just like, Okay, I gotta
get rid of these plays.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
This isn't working, or I'm like losing all my game.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Way injuries will do it. It'll be the first time I
promise you that you'll you'll look at your roster at
some point in your ninety career a roster and there
will just be that injury. For a lot of people,
it was Aaron Rodgers last year. If you had like
a Garren Wilson, or you're you know, you mentioned like
t Higgins, maybe you're a team that's counting on that breakout.
Like I'm really high on George Pickens this third year breakout.
He's been you know, I bring him up almost every
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show because I've like tracked this whole career. But if
you're counting on a certain player taking the lead or
taking a step like Elijah Moore last season, and those
things plus injuries happen, you may look at it and go, man,
I don't know how to reconfigure this for next year.
I'm just gonna throw the whole thing out, you know, right, and.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
This you know, I look at it too with a
little bit of envy, a little bit of jealousy, because
I can't do that, like I'm not not right now.
I'm just not like wired to do that. I would
like I said that, my hand would have to be forced.
But when you think about it in a vacuum, like
you're going to be setting yourself up for years to
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come with just one draft class, but not not only that,
you have two draft class worth of first rounders and
second rounders. So on top of that, you're probably like
looking in the future. It's like, I don't know, you know,
you have a great job, you make six figures or whatever,
and you decide, Okay, you know what, I'm gonna go
out and party and like buy some bottles and pop
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some bottles and like, you know, enjoy life while I'm
living it. And some people will do that, and other
people will say, no, I'm gonna put this away and
save it for a rainy day and buy a house
next in the next five years or something that plan, yeah,
and be boring. It's not exciting yet. It's not exciting
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in the moment, and we all want to live in
the moment. But I look at that and I'm just like, man,
that is a that's the hell of a strategy, because
in three years, nobody's gonna to deal with you. Nobody none.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
I mean, that's the hope, right, I mean, And it's
funny you just experienced that. We had an owner do
the same thing in Cartel which you adopted the team.
The one awaight for Pooka and Akua which we talked about,
was you trading to the guy that had monopolized that
draft so he got to set the price on Hey,
I want that one player. And that's what I tell myself, Like,
if there's someone I like, I don't have to get
them right now, I can buy them. I should have
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enough in the piggy bank to go buy what I
want when the time comes. It's just being diligent enough
for that time to come. But I've also seen a
lot of guys who are The joke we always used
to have is hey, you're two years away from being
two years away, so it's you know, I'm gonna be
losing to you the next the next season in the exchange,
(44:01):
but before we kind of take off. It's been awesome
having you. Thanks for stepping in life. Gave us lemons,
and we didn't just make lemonade, we made margaritis. Who's
who's the player? You're just not just rookies, not just
open player pool. Who are you most excited about next
season that you either have shares of or that you're
trying to acquire shares of In any league you play.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
This question, I will say this, no, I think I
think I know where you're going. But I have a
player on my team that I'm really excited about. I
almost traded him away and then I retracted it. And
there was actually the Dylan the day I'll say, I'll
go on record so it's not Jalen Waddle, but I
was looking at Jail and Waddle because after trading Ayuk
and Jayden Reed, I'm a little light at receiver. I
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have depth. I have depth, and I have high upside players,
but I don't have like besides the lobby, I don't
have that second guy that I just like love, you
know what I mean. And I thought I'm trading him
Will Levis.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
But I look at Will Levis.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
As a guy who has so much Like if you
were to say, if you were to say investment wise,
who was the most the player who had the most
invested in him this year? To me? Hands down as
Will Levis. Yeah, you got you got your Calvin Ridley.
You got your Tony Pollard, you got your offensive lineman,
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you got all of this stuff right now, and you
got your new coordinator who's amazing. So all of this
stuff is supposed to help you become the player, the
best player that you could possibly be. I want somebody
in that situation because if I'm getting Will Levis, which
I got him in the fifth round, if I'm getting
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the Will Levice in the fifth round with that kind
of upside, is that worse than getting a judge? I mean,
I could justify that that's just as good as getting
you know, I'm I'm not not not shitting on Justin Herbert,
but we know that they're going to run the ball,
and we know his numbers are going to come down,
so the gap number exactly numbers might be equal. Yeah,
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so I want him at value.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
No, Will Levis's that's a fun name. And yeah, he's
had a great offseason. There's been a ton of weapons
kind of surrounding him. I was I may have been
with that question, poaching for trade opportunities, because that's the
thing about the bank man. The phonemo is real, like
you have to be the grind never stops. Well, Thomas,
thank you, so much for stopping by. We'll have you
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on again very soon. I'm sure later this week, Michael
Howley will be joining us. We're gonna have a double
episode week. Thomas. You may just have to join us
for that as well, because you know how the story played,
and you know Mike. But yeah, the trade up for
Marvin Harrison that you mentioned had ripple effects in our league.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
There was.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
It was quite the drama. We're excited to get into it,
so tune in again Thursday. We will hop back in.
But that's it for us, Thomas, thanks again for joining.
This has been a crazy Oh yeah, Brgus Teeter came up. Okay,
Dynasty.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
One of the most important aspects of every Dynasty player's
game is how well they can pivot. If we were
to turn the clock back to September of last year
and you were the Nick Chubb owner and you didn't
have pivot in your golf bag, if you were the
Aaron Rodgers owner and you did not know how to
pivot like Nicoleyoacic, I always mispronounced his name. Here's the point.
(00:34):
When life gives you lemons, you got to be able
to make lemonade. I am always joined by my friend
of fifteen years in esteam colleague, mister Dylan Egloff. But
homeboy decided to have a week immune system today and
get a fever. He is sick in bed. I was like,
dang it, all right, Dylan, It's all good. I phoned
up my newest, most bestest favorite trade partner in both leagues,
(00:57):
specifically the League of Record the Dynasty Exchange, and I
called Thomas Smith because you know what in my Smith
Power rankings, this might be Michael Smith presents the Dynasty Exchange,
but Thomas Smith is becoming a favorite and the favorite
of the Dynasty Exchange host. Thomas, thank you for joining
me and being the first attempt at lemonade for today's show.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Wow, we thank you very much. I appreciate that man.
Thank you for having me on the show. Dylan, get
well soon, brother, And yeah, just you know, start accepting
my trade office. That's all I gotta say about him.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Right, he's playing high and mighty right now.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Huh. He is playing high and he got some receivers
and he don't want to part with him.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
But it's cool. I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get
him one day. I'm gonna get I'm gonna get somebody
from him.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, I hear We'll see I hear it.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, we got a lot to talk about, Gonna cover
the Jared Goff news, all the fantasy fallout. What does
this mean for Hendon Hooker owners? Spoiler alert, He's gonna
stay on your bench for the rest of forever. Talk
about everything that that touches. And then we're also gonna
be diving into our rookie draft reactions. Thomas was just
a part of both the Cartel, which has served as
our suit a league of record, but then our actual
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league of record at the Dynasty Exchange, that sixteen team
Superflex League the whopper of an experience that it is
excited to get your thoughts as a newer Dynasty player, Thomas.
But also the second part of the lemonade is we
were supposed to have Michael Holly on the show tonight,
but due to actual technical difficulties, we're gonna have two
shows this week. He's gonna come back and rejoin us
Wednesday because he was we were unable to make the connection. So, Thomas,
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you not only stepped in to help be a co
host when Dylan was out, you're the star of the
show man like you're unexpectedly called upon. And I think
that's actually very similar to how Jared Goff is feeling,
because the reality is when he went to Detroit, it
was like he's part of the Stafford trade, Like this
is kind of a nice bonus piece. Well, we'll ride
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out this contract and move on. But you know what,
he found a place, he stayed. He the city embraced him,
and now he is the second highest paid quarterback on
an annual salary, second only to Joe Burrow himself. Thomas
right away, does he deserve that money? Does a quarterback
like golf who's very good? We're both golf fans, let's
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be clear, but certainly not top five in production and
certainly not top five in talent. Why does he deserve
fifty two million dollars a year.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
He don't deserve fifty two million.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I mean, let's just be real. Let's just keep it
one hundred. He is not one of our top quarterbacks.
I love Jared Golf. He is a you know, polarizing
figure amongst like I guess, dynasty owners and fantasy football
people and all of this stuff. But he is stable.
(03:37):
He is stability personified. You know what I'm saying, Like,
if you want somebody who's gonna lead your team and
who's not gonna cause chaos and who is you know,
serviceable and who can get the job done. Is Jared Golf.
And he gonna do what his offensive coordinator tells him
to do. We know that from the Sean McVay experience.
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So he is a guy that you can rely on.
And I think, I think under Dan Campbell that is
more important than being having a you know, Patrick Mahomes
or Lamar Jackson's skill set. I think he is a
guy that you can lean on and he could get you.
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I mean, listen, he got to the Super Bowl, he
got to the NFC Championship game, almost pulled that out.
You got to give him credit, like he deserves to
be treated with high regard, But is he the is
he should be, he'd be paid second most. No, I
just think it's the market and it's just timing.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
It's it's just one of those things where it feels
like if you're an agent, you know, like we talk
about some of the best jobs to have in life,
it's like a backup QB, Like you make millions of dollars,
you ride the bench like, Hey, great game, guys. You know,
I warmed up coffee for the morning, you know, for
the meeting, So.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
It's going to back do this. You should you should
check this out.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, did you notice that that guy was open while
you were getting hit by a undercound guy that runs
for Yeah, he was open, just to let you know,
I got your rad Yeah, but second best job maybe
actually better, dude, if you're if you're an agent for
one of these qbs, that's an above average starter in
the NFL. You all you have to do is just
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copy and paste the terms of the last guy who
signed a deal. Going back about thirty years now and
it's just instant revenue, instant payday, two hundred and twelve million,
one hundred and seventy guaranteed. From a fantasy perspective, Jared
Goff is hotly debated. I know you mentioned that because
he's one of those guys that's always a fringe QB one.
There are seasons when he finishes in the top twelve
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and seasons when he's just outside, especially with his time
with Detroit. I think it's awesome news for Alman roll
Saint Brown, who's got a four year deal. I think
it's awesome for Sam Laporta, who you know, was there
as a rookie, and Ben Johnson not leaving. It's it
really feels like Detroit has this vibe like, hey, we're
gonna keep the core guys, We're gonna keep the band
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together no matter what. And obviously Jared Goff's a huge
part of that. So whether or not I agree with
the money, you know that it doesn't matter. The quarterbacks
are going to get paid absurd amounts just as the
cap continues to go up because they're rare to find.
I don't think it's good news for Dak Prescott. Well,
it's great news for Dak Prescott is a person. As
a Cowboys fan, I'm upset because now Dak is going
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to get a huge deal because he's putting up way
better numbers than Goff. But maybe Jerry will quote, Hey,
this guy's been to an NFC Championship game. Talk to
me when you've been to one of those. That would
be my hope. All that being said, I think Goff
you can pencil him in as a high end quarterback
two in superflex for years to come. The concern I have,
if there is one to have with this news, because
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this is mostly good news, it is hard to have
the type of supporting cast he has when you have
a quarterback on one of those mega deals. And it's
not to say Goff's contract previously was nothing, but it
certainly wasn't a top five at the position, top top
two on a per year basis. So I'm concerned about
when Jamiers is going to need to get paid. I
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don't know that Jamison Williams is going to be there
for a second contract, and he hasn't shown much, but
for the next two years, fire up all your lines.
I think it's gonna be a great experience.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I agree with you to, but one caveat to that.
I don't think this is good for Jamison Williams. Look,
Jamison Williams will because Jamison Williams is a deep threat,
you know what I mean. I don't see him as
being an intermediate guy or underneath guy or whatever. Jared
Golf does not throw deep, you know. Alman ra say
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Brown is perfect for Jared Golf. Jamiir Gibs, This perfect
for Jared Golf. Laporta perfect for Jared Golf. I think
this limits the ceiling of a Jamison Williams and as
high like as hype as he was coming out of
Alabama coming into the draft, I don't think we're gonna
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see that version of him until he goes somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
And it actually might be a blessing in disguise.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
That Jared got the money because I don't know if
they want to pay, because you can't pay two receivers
in this league. You just can't got to put your quarterback.
So when his payday is due, I think he might
be going to a green of pastures where somebody could
actually throwing the ball.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, that's an interesting point. The other thing is if
you I mentioned it at the top of the show,
a lot of people were excited for Jamison Williams to
be connected to Hendon Hooker, who the lines took a
year ago, you know, in the second round, and so
Hendon Hooker was a prospect that he threw the deep
ball really really well at Tennessee, and so people were
excited maybe that connection was going to happen. Hendon Hooker,
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for all intents and purposes, is not the heir apparent.
Jared Goff is the present and he is the future.
You know, Hendon Hooker would have to get a chance
somewhere else. He's worth next to nothing. He's a high
quality handcuff. If you're the Jared Goff owner, now you
can go by Hendon Hooker at a very reasonable rate.
Jami or Gibbs is a running back, and so getting
a second contract is going to be hard. In general,
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that's favorable, but I think he will and running backs
get paid nothing, so I'm not really concerned about them.
So all in all, wheels up for the Lions offense.
Ben Johnson's staying they're super excited, But just from a
fantasy perspective, is there any is there any concern you
have Thomas about like Ben Johnson really being what is
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making all these guys look good and if he leaves,
it's all going to fall apart.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, I think you have to have that concern.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, I'm sure you do too, Right'.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
That's my thing is like everything seems everything's been going
too well. There's too many good vibes in Detroit right now,
and I'm not that's not a bad thing. I'm happy
for the city Detroit like Buffalo and Detroit like I
will always root for them in a vacuum when I
turn on the TV in playoffs, when I turn on
the team unless they're playing against Cowboys, I'm like, these
are both franchises and fans that I want to see
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happy in the world. And Detroit, things have been wheels
up Detroit for the last year, especially with the season
they just had. But for Fantasy like, Detroit's all been
like Samuel Porta was a Darling Gibbs back half the season.
I have shares of him in Cartel where we play together.
I'm obsessed. I love Jamiir Gibbs. Jared Goff is like,
you know, it's the Ryan Goslin comparison. Comparisons, It's the ken.
(10:12):
You know, now he gets the bag. It's redemption. It's like, Okay,
all that's great, but we're I think we're all forgetting
that the most talented, sought after offensive coordinator turned down
a head coaching job this last season. So either he's
gonna move on and they're gonna you know, they're gonna
succeed and they's gonna move on after a year, or
he's not nearly as you know, it's it's gonna fizzle out.
(10:33):
And so I just this might be the peak for
all the players I just mentioned. So if you're in
a rebuild, sell high on this news. All the pieces
I just mentioned have long term value. Goff Laporta amen Ra,
which I don't think any of us were, Tom is
Amana quarterback proof. You don't tie his success to golf,
do you?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
No? I don't. I think I really do. Think he's
a talented player that yeah plays that position like you can.
I feel like any quarterback would be lucky to have
him on the team, And if anything, I think it's
the opposite. I think he's made Jared Golf look better,
you know what I mean? Yeah, I think he has
he has such a knack for getting open and beating
(11:18):
his own coverage. And he is just he is, and
he's a feisty player too, like he wants it. He like,
that's why you pay him all that money, because he
is a guy that you know you can depend on.
And they building a great culture in Detroit. Don't get
me wrong. I love the culture that they're building, and
the players that they picking are really players that I
feel like are buying in to the culture fit. But
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like he was saying with Ben Johnson, man money talks,
and eventually somebody's gonna offer him a bag and they're
gonna give him. They might give him all kinds of
control and say, hey, you know you could pick your players,
you can beat a head coach and do whatever you
want to, pick your staff, pick everything. They might give him,
like some kind of like Bill Belichick type control or something,
and you can Sean Payton and you can't turn that down.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
He keeps succeeding. He's gonna get promoted, and the only
other place he can get promoted is getting a head
coach jing job. Dan Campbell's clearly not gonna go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
No, I agree.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
We don't talk about Amanad enough. It's funny like he
is in the top four. You know what I mean
Dynasty wide receivers. We have the big three in Jamar
CD and Jay Jettas, but Amina is as good a
receiver as there is. I feel he's quarterback proof. He's
an incredible slot. He feels like a younger, tougher Gritty
or Keenan Allen, you know, just a great fantasy asset.
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So great news for all of them. And well, we
won't damper too much on Detroit's parade. This is a
happy day for them and a happy day for Jared Goff.
We're gonna take a quick break and when we come back, Thomas,
I want to hear a lot more from you, specifically
on this is you know, you had a startup draft,
You've got an orphan league, and you just experienced your
first rookie drafts. What were the takeaways and what were
kind of the things you didn't expect that happened, and
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just that you experienced it, Like every single Dynasty player
is either already experience or experiencing right now. So we'll
have that right after this. I've said it on this
show exhaustively and I will continue to say it. One
of the main goals and tenants of this show is
to be a case study for you as a player.
The listener needs to realize, I can send you how
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I rank players, I can send you what looks like
a draft kit, but it's going to pale in comparison
to the experience about playing against savvy owners. You know,
every player is good in a vacuum. It's knowing how
to build a team when everyone else is trying to
do the same, to go chase a championship. And so
we're so excited, you know, to grow the Dynasty Exchanged community,
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specifically with our owners and Thomas, you're a huge part
of that. What was it like, Thomas, you've adopted be
the case study because you're you're kind of the focal
point tonight. You adopted an orphan team in Cartel, a
very good team, but you worked right away to make
it your own. And then part and part of that
was trading away some big pieces, specifically Pukinakua to go
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get the one aw eight in Cartel and then in
the Dinosty Exchange had you got a chance to build
that team from scratch and then you you were heavily
invested in that draft as well. So before we hop
into any more specific questions about either roster, I want
to know which draft was more fun for you. Was
it the team you adopted trying to make your own,
or the team you were building from the ground up.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I think it was a team I was building from
the ground up because I got to pick every player
and position them like the chess board in exactly how
I wanted to build my team up from the roots,
you know, love it, love it. With Cartel, it was,
and that's the smaller league, the one I inherited. It
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was man like, I had to make some tough decisions,
you know, like, but I wanted to put my stamp
on it. So trading Pook and Nicol was not something
I wanted to do. Like I saw the team and
I'm like, well, I had an older roster. I had
a very older roster. I had like Ezekiel, Elliott, Miles Sanders,
and I had people who are expiring, you know, and
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I felt like I needed to make a big, major
move to get some to inject some youth first of all,
and also to just like put my stamp on it
because I love Pooka Nicole, I really do. But yeah,
you know, sometimes you got to make, especially with in Dynasty.
Like I've learned, and I'm still fairly new, you have
to make really tough decisions if you want to have
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your team the way you want it. Like you could
go buy every ADP and every ranking and all of that,
but if you don't have the guys that you believe in,
that you want or that you want to watch, it
becomes a little bit of a grind. It doesn't feel
as good.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I couldn't agree more man. And another thing is this
is bad in the Dynasty community. You know, I adopted
an orphan team too often. I think people expect to
just outright win trades in an egregious manner, and that's
what they call good trades. I don't call those good trades.
I call those bad players. If you can take advantage
of someone to a level that's obvious to everyone in
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the room, well congrats, that's just not a that's not
a competitive enough league, that's like, and those happen even
in competitive leagues. You shouldn't not celebrate when you take
advantage of your buddy because he's maybe had too many
at the draft party, Like that's all part of fantasy.
But to kind of defend. Some listeners may hear, oh,
you traded pukinakup away for just the one to eight
just to set the table really quickly. There was only
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two owners that had any serious draft capital in Dynasty cartel,
and you were your team was so deep at receiver,
and so for you to put your mark on it,
you had to sell. You weren't essentially a price setter.
You were a price taker, and so you had to
deal where you were the deepest at the position you
could afford. Dare I say to lose a pooka akua
(16:44):
and take a risk at the one away to address
quarterback or other needs. Those are the trades that to
me are the most satisfying because they pay off in
year two or year three of making them. Those are
the risk. There's got to be risk involved in the
Dynasty community. We've got to realize. It's like the best
trades look risky when they're made full stop. If they don't, congrats,
(17:06):
you're just being a trade calculator and we can all
celebrate you. In the interim. You're either playing bad players
or you don't see the forest for the trees, so
to speak. So I get that you were kind of
you were cornered in cartel and you had to make
some good moves. I like what you did there going
to exchange, which was kind of more fun. How why
don't you give listeners, like what was the core of
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your team at the startup Draft? Because just to remind people,
we do a startup draft. The league is brand new,
sixteen teams, super flex, tied in the premium, all the
bells and whistles, as they say, you set the table
at the startup Draft, and then you've got the rookie
Draft coming up. We were able to trade picks in
both leagues. A lot of that happened. What did you
leave the start I was really impressed with your team
(17:48):
leaving the Startup Draft. What were kind of some of
the key pieces on that team and why did you
build it that way?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I wanted to build a team that wasn't so top heavy.
There's a in my philosophy of dynasty, and I could
be wrong because like, I'm still a rookie, but I
think that I think that I know what I'm doing.
My philosophy to me, yeah right, My philosophy is get
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as much depth as you can. I'm talking about starting lineups.
I'm talking about your bench. It is a war of attrition.
We're talking seventeen game seasons. We're talking players that don't
perform well or get hurt. If you had T Higgins
before last season, you were excited. Yeah. T Higgins did
not show up last season, not because he didn't play well.
(18:38):
When he was on the field, you played pretty well,
but it wasn't as good as the seasons before, and
he got hurt. So you basically you have a player
on your team who's gone from possible wide receiver two status,
maybe even possibly low win wide receiver one. If everything
breaks right coming into the last year, you're thinking, oh,
(18:59):
maybe the third year break out. It didn't happen, So
now what do you pivot to. You pivot to your bench,
and you got you know, I'm trying to think of
somebody who's just you got maybe Jamison Williams on your bench,
and he didn't produce much. So you have to So
when I look at Dynasty, I'm looking at it in
longevity terms. The season is going to be seventeen games,
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are going to be people who get hurt. The Joe
Burrows of the world miss games, and Jake Browning takes over.
You got all of these different running backs that come
out of nowhere every single year. So when I looked
at when I came out of my startup draft, I
had a very top heavy team, and I really loved it.
I really really loved it. Yeah, and I know you
were a fan of it. But I and I know
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that I ended up trading the way Brandon Ayuk, and
I know that was probably not viewed as something that
was so smart. But I think you mentioned this before.
I look at things like the fact that he was
his efficient see was out of this world last year.
(20:04):
Can he replicate that? It's like having touchdown regression? Can
you replicate the same thing over and over again? We
don't have evidence of somebody who can have that efficiency
back to back.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Especially if they go to a different team, which he
is potentially rumored to do. So in the list of outcomes,
I think he's a peak value. I don't think it
was an unwise trade if you sense that, hey, this
is his best years are mostly behind him at this point.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Possibly and Brandon and Ayyuk had a lot of people
doubt him coming into the draft, but he was ended
up with Kyle Shanahan. We don't know what it looks
like without Kyle Shanahan, just like you were talking about
Ben Johnson, we don't know what those players would look
like without Ben Johnson around him.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
So it is a risk involved in everything.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
But I feel like the more players you have that
you feel in good situations who have upside, and that's
what I look for. I look for upside and I
look for players and good situations on good offense.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
It's a potentially good offense. And if that's the case.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Then I feel like my depth can be my depth
will take me however far that my team can go,
I think, and I don't have to be so top heavy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I think that's especially true in sixteen team as well.
Like it's it's more so true. Like I feel like,
if you play in a ten team league, let's be honest,
it's who has McCaffrey, Like there's there's certain players every
year at the position that are just a complete tier above.
I was looking at some averages, you know, talking about
the War of Attrition. To your point, you mentioned Jake Browning.
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Do you want to know who the number two in
points per game QB was last year? Just guess, just
take a wild guess. This is like my favorite.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Number points per game.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, Josh All, yeah, I was figuring that not Lamar,
was it Lamar?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
It was Joe Flacco, Dude. Joe Flacco in replacement with
Shaun Watson went on as tore Oh yeah yeah, Joe
Flacco won people championships. It's the war of attrition. But
if you play in a ten team league, McCaffrey averaging
twenty three points per game at the running back position,
next closest was Kyrone at twenty one and he was
only there for twelve games. Then you jump down to
seventeen points. So like there is definitely in those bigger
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leagues of sixteen teen leagues, you're winning championships because of
Joe Flacco far more than you are because of Christian McAffrey.
Because it's just hard to time when certain players are
going to have a career year. Now, McCaffrey, he's an outliar.
He's worth a lot. We're not saying that he's not.
But so your team just to go over, you draft
to Patrick Mahomes to build around him at the one
of two, traded up to get that. Will Levis is
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your quarterback too, and you had Aukid pre solid receiver.
Corpt Ayuk was definitely the strong one. You have James Cook,
who I know you love, and then who do you
have at tight end?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I just traded for David and Joku. I came into it.
I came into the week with just Noah fan Ok
as my main tight end. I had a couple on
my bench at John new Smith. I have John new
Smith on my bench. I have a couple of upside
play tight ends. But get for you then that's what
I Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I ended up
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trading Javonte Williams. There was some other parts to the trade,
but it was mainly Javonte Williams for David and Jokes.
And in a tight end premium league, you gotta have
a good tight end and I just felt like I
was lacking and I don't want to That's the one
thing I don't want to do. If it's a tight
end premium or something like that, like super Flex, you
want two good quarterbacks. If it's super Flex, you know
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you need you need quarterbacks with upside it tight end premium,
you need a tight end with upside. Yeah, that's what
I got. Yeah and the rest Yeah, exactly, And so
the rest of the roster. You fill out how you
fill it out. You take chances on people, take chances
on players heaving like Za mere White. I will not.
I do not want to trade the mere White because
he is going to get carries. He's going to tote
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the rock and he's going and I think I think
last time I looked at his ADP was going like
somewhere in the eighth or ninth round when he can
easily be on that sport.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, no, he could be. He certainly could be. Well,
that's actually interesting that you brought up. I want to
assume going to the rookie draft, what did you secure?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
You didn't you have sa mere White?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Right?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
M You love him, you believe in him. Don't you
want insurance on that thing that you love and believe in.
Because my only pick in the rookie draft was superstar
rookie out of New Hampshire Dylan Laubo. Okay, six round pick.
He's gonna be. I mean he's five ten two o eight.
If you want to come get him from me, Thomas,
I mean, the phone's open.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Like making deals, you try to get the deal.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Listen, I just think you know you know where my
team is at I came into the season I'm punting
for for the next two years. So I got there.
So I don't need running backs like you love Samir White,
you love James Cook. You want to ride those guys
to glory. Come get this great rookie. And speaking of rookies,
we can come back to that trade later. What was
your strategy in the rookie draft? What was that like
(25:03):
being in the rookie draft. First of all, for me,
just as a spectator, I traded mostly out of this
rookie draft. We had some wild, hilarious beefs get started,
some crazy trades happened, people got sniped in some epic
epic ways. As part of why life gave you know,
life giving us Lemons again. I was so excited to
talk to Michael Hawley with you tonight because your brother
(25:24):
Michael Smith at like Michael Hawley, they have a show
together called Brother from Another other than you, Thomas. I'm
pretty sure Michael Hawley is as close to a brother
as Michael Smith has.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
YEA.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
From what I understood, it is alleged that there was
fighting words being spoken because of certain moves that were made.
But for you, what was your favorite part of that
rookie draft, Like, what were some highlights for you, either
picks you made or just things you saw happening.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Let me just say this first and foremost. Apparently they
had no friends in Dynasty, right you could. Yeah, there's
no you know, courtesy calls or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
You just if you see an opportunity, you pounce on.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
But I'll let Michael Holly tell that story because I
think it was a little bit more to him.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
He says. He says, there's corruption that goes to the
very top. It's a conspiracy he's excited to unfold. Like
it was. It was so good.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
It was.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I was baffled watching it watching it. But yeah, continue,
Oh the.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Sea word corruption. Oh that's juicy. Uh no, man, listen.
I that draft was so I think the rookie draft
is my favorite thing of Dynasty. It was crazy, first
of all, like Mike jump into Mike jumping to the
one or two to get Marvin Harrison and only drafting
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receivers he had already I give him props for this.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
He had already gotten two of the best quarterbacks in
Dynasty in his draft and just like sat out a
startup draft and to get up and go get Marvin
Harrison and end up getting and end up the board
falling to him with elite neighbors and Roman doons. I
believe he got those.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Three, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's I mean, that's.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
A win in my opinion. I mean, I don't think
any of those guys are gonna bust. I mean, you
might have to wait on some like league winning seasons,
but I don't think anybody's gonna bust in that group.
But for me, I really enjoyed this draft, especially trading
down I think is the way to go. If you're
not going if you're not in that top eight, if
(27:32):
you don't have those top eight guys, the best strategy
is trading down and getting some of these players in
the second, third round, maybe even fourth round, depending on
how big the league is, because there are a lot
of opportunities for these rookies these I look at it
like this with this draft especially, there are so many
(27:56):
good receivers that they're getting pushed down. The receivers that
would normally be in the second third, some maybe even
late first rounds are in the later rounds of this draft.
And those people are going to play because they're talented
enough to do it. And when I look at rookie drafts,
(28:16):
I want to see where the talent is. If there's
a lot like next year is supposed to be a
deep running back class, well you want to have running
backs in that draft. You don't want to. You want
to whatever running backs you have on your roster, probably
purge them and get.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Them seven back by what's advertised with the draft class.
Don't try to zig where yees sacks because that's a
huge part of normal fantasy. Like if I'm in a
redraft league and everyone goes running back in the first round,
I'm just going to take the best receiver. But in
this rookie draft, it's like, hey, it's a deep receiver class.
I don't care if it's the tenth best receiver off
the board, he's better than the second best running back.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I like that. Absolutely no running back in this class
can you definitively say, oh my god, he's coming in
and starting. There's not one running back so because you're basically.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah, Jonathan Brooks is injured, so yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Draft them backups and you could go all the way
down and get a Javon Baker sometimes in the fourth round,
of your rookie draft, and he has a path to
start right away and become the alpha. So when you
want to take a chance on that.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Yeah, And I.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Drafted him like Jermaine Burton. Yeah, because you were a
big Jermaine Burton when we had you on the last show.
Did you actually get a chance to take him?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I ended up trading for him. So I made the
mistake of trying to wait the draft. You guys, Draft
you guys. I made the mistake of trying to wait
to draft him thinking he would fall to me. I
was in the second round, and I picked Ricky Piersoll
because he was the best value. Again, draft you, guys.
Don't worry about ADP because as soon as I did it,
(29:47):
I felt this like eight yeah. And then the next
pick yeah, and then the next pick Jermaine Burton. So
I ended up having the trade Jayden Reed uh for TAIJ.
Spears and Jermaine Burton, and I got a couple of picks.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Back and it's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, it was good. It was a deal.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I know you like Jayden Reed as well. I have
to disagree, though, at least my strategy with with rookie drafts. No,
here's my thing in a startup draft. I agree with you.
I trade back in startup drafts because after the first
eight guys, like you talked about, the tiers are so
close together, and guys will get taken in the third
(30:30):
round that you know, Jordan Love in a startup last
year was a seventh round pick. Okay, I'm going to
trade back and build my team off dart throws with
established NFL careers. I don't feel that I'm smarter than
NFL analysts, so I want lots and lots of early
first round picks to build my team with with rookie
because there's just such a smaller bust rate. Well, I
do agree this class is deep. I don't pride myself
(30:54):
on being able to pick sleepers to the same rate
others do. In fact, I think a lot of us
fool ourselves were we remember the one guy we got
right and we forget all the the I mean, last year,
Quentin Johnson was a no miss, perfect landing spot, awesome receiver,
and then there were sleepers. I'm trying to think of
a sleeper from last year. Taikewon Thornton's two. Three years ago.
(31:19):
You know I was a two two outlol. Guy, he
sort of worked out, but like, these guys are sexy
in April, like the Javon Bakers, the Jermaine Burton's, like,
oh dude, they're gonna be so great. I mean, Marvin Mims,
you could say, is kind of a miss. I think
there's a pathway for him. But last year it was
like a hype's name. I would say Chase Brown is
a miss, but he started a flash at the end
(31:40):
of the year. But these guys were like mid to
late second it was like, Oh my gosh, they're gonna
be so good. And then you know, the NFL season
rolls around, it's like, oh, they get thirty percent snap
percentage or they're struggling to get first team reps. Like
it's hard to make it in the NFL. So I
want high end rookie picks. I'll let someone else figure
out the darth throws and the second and the third round.
But if you do that, you miss out on Puka
and sat An al Monro.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
So I get it, thank hell Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, yeah, well I actually like take te I will
admit it. So okay, okay, I'm speaking on both sides
of my mouth. You're right, So who was your face.
Was there one pick between the two rookie drafts you
were part of, which one was your favorite pick and
the one you believe in the most.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Jamaine Burd hands down. Yeah. I've mentioned him a couple
of times. Man. I so, first of all, playing at
Georgia and Alabama and starting for both teams, it's pretty impressive. Yeah. Secondly,
he you you just put on his tea, just put
on his tea. He looks the part. He has aggression
(32:39):
and I know that that he has off the field
aggression too. Listen, I'm not I don't even want to
dive into that, Like I don't conduct.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
You're breaking news to me. I'm like, oh, tell me more.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
No, he's got he's got some stuff he's got to
work out or that he needs to get past. But
you know, hopefully he does. And I really, I really
root for him. But as far as just being a
football player, you see it on the field. He wants it.
He goes up and gets the ball, he contested, catches,
he goes he's a deep threat, he has great hands.
(33:11):
There is a consensus of analysts who have said that
he is a first round talent. Chris sim said it,
I think I heard Phil Yate say it, and some
other people have talked about how good he would if
he didn't have the off the field issues.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
He's going late first round, early second round.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
To me, that value of him dropping to the third
round and him going in late seconds sometimes early thirds
of your dynasty draft.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
You want him at that price.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
You want somebody like that at that price, because a
lot of times these guys have bad comed by Troy
Franklin as another one. A lot of times that was.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
The name I was going to bring up. I'm glad
you mentioned him, because that's another one where it's like
it seems like he fell for reasons we can't understand,
because everything on the field and everything combine wise would
certainly say end of the first start of the second round.
I love where that he landed up in Denver with
his guy Bo Nicks, because there's there's immense upside there,
(34:13):
like you're saying, but maybe there's not the loyalty. He
doesn't have as large and as long of a window
to prove it in the NFL like some of these
early first round picks too.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, No, you're right about that, dude. I heard something
the other day somebody said that the best. They said,
people don't have patience anymore in the NFL. Yeah, if
you're not breaking through in the first year, maybe second year,
then your bust and they will get rid of you.
They will they will put you or they will put
you on the bench where you're the fourth or fifth
guy because you just can't produce.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Like look at Malik Willis.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Malik Willis had like three opportunities to start for a
team that was really bad at the time, and I
think he had a lot of injuries and now he
might be the third quarterback, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Malik Willis to me, yeah, I mean I don't not
that I taking the people away from it. Just from
the gamesman ship standpoint, I don't feel bad for players
in that situation simply because the NFL is so competitive.
That's what makes it an incredible product. Exactly, like exactly,
that's why we all love it and respect it so much.
Because to be a consistent starter in the NFL, you
have to be unbelievable. You have to be otherworldly at
(35:16):
football just to be a consistent starter, much less a star,
even more so a fantasy superstar where you're padding the
stats and putting up gaudy numbers, so it's it's fun
to see happen. But Jermaine Burton's your guy. I totally
totally respect that. Yours.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
I have Ricky piersoll on Cartel. Yeah, am I high
on Wrecky Pierson.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I'm high on this situation. Whatever I'm betting, I'm betting
that somebody gets moved and he gets an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
You don't have a pears in exchange.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
No, I treated him for Jermaine Burten.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
He was he was part of the who'd you trade
him to? Just curious because he may you.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Know, you try to make all kinds of moves this podcast.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I'm just listen. When new information becomes available, you just
got to kind of jump at it. You know, there's
no friends in Dynasty. It's just say, is there an opportunity?
Is there a deal to get done here?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
You know that's true? Man, I respect it. Yeah, never
stopped working. I think Tana Tanda is the guy.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Okay, yeah, yeah, he has not been on the show before.
All right, I'll be to'll be tough to get he's.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, he's a tough cub. You gotta be fair with him, man,
he likes fair deal.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Oh yeah, No, and that's every league has that, Like
there's not you get to know the landscape of a
league over time. But something I love that we did
with Exchange, and I highly recommend any any league that's
looking to get started make sure everyone knows at least
two other people in the league. It just helps open
trade negotiations so much quicker. You know, I'm in an
(36:48):
orphan league where a lot of the guys who are
in it clearly playing like six to ten leagues, and
so it's just kind of a stock portfolio day trading vibe,
and and the trades just feel like trade calculators like
I have to lose the trade for them to even
look at it. And it's like, okay, guys like cool,
I'm adopting a losing frame. This is just gonna take
me longer to turn around, but I'm gonna do it.
(37:09):
So I like the relational like you're getting to know
how this owner thinks and how this other owner thinks.
Because at the end of the day, what's fair. Who
knows both the players you traded him could be complete
busts and you could have gotten the best players or
vice versa. But all of us have an opinion, and
no Oh yeah, it's not a fair deal, like right away,
it's just always a free dynamic to me.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
And we know what opinions are, We know what opinions are.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
I think I named my team correct opinions. Oh yeah, yeah,
everyone's wrong, but me, like, I'm alone doing it right.
And that's the only thing I'm I'm gonna tell myself.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Well, speaking of that, I got to ask you, man,
So what's it like to be the guy who is
the bank? Like do you feel like you're missing out
on something when you're not involved in these rookie drafts
or when you and your startup picks and taking off
first round picks like you gotta man, you got like
a whole bank full of first round picks and second
(38:06):
round picks. But the future so everybody's got to come
to you, right, But but do you feel left out
when you do these startups and these rookie drafts? Like
what do you how do you? How do you deal
with all the day?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, just to give further context, like in our in
our startup draft, people were trading draft picks for future
capital so flippantly, I think a seventh round pick was
going for a twenty six first a seventh round startup pick,
and I looked at who that was based on avp'd
it was like David and Joku. To I was trying
(38:38):
to think what another name that was kind of in
that tier. David and Joku was the one. I was like, okay,
even in a time in premium, would I ever trade
a first straight up for a David and Joku or
a I think it was like Mike Evans, That's what
it was. It was Mike Evans, and I was like,
oh my gosh, I would do that in a heartbeat,
and so over time. I wasn't intending to do this
(38:59):
at thet, but I ended up trading away most, if
not all, of my startup picks, as well as my
rookie picks for all future firsts and seconds. I don't
recommend that strategy for a first time player with their
first time startup because the fomo you just mentioned is
so real. I was trying to trade back into the
rookie draft several times at and I was willing to overpay,
(39:21):
but I had so much capital. It's like, okay, now
I can you know I made a profit. Now I
can take some shots on some guys, like you know,
I'm a big key on Coleman fan. Roocky Piersoll makes
a lot of sense for a team that's window isn't
open yet, in my opinion, someone I really really like
in two to three years time, similar to JSN. So
it sucks, man like because I've done it before and
(39:43):
I've had to rebuild a team, I've had to tear
something down. I'm I'm willing to do it simply because
I've also had the pain of feeling like, holy cow,
I'm full of injuries. I'm trying to compete, but my
team's getting older. When you're going and you're chasing a
championship and you have like a Travis Kelcey on your roster,
or Derrick Henry or I'm trying you know, Josh Jacobs.
Those are all players that they're fun to have when
(40:05):
the NFL season kicks off, but by week four you're
scrambling because you only have so many roster spots, you
only have so much, you know, assets to try to
build this championship team. And if you see start seeing
playoffs slip away, it sucks man. You're like, holy cow,
I just wasted all that time and effort. So for me,
the way I combat the fomo is knowing all this season,
(40:26):
I'm injuries don't matter to me like I'm they do.
I have players on my team still, I don't want
them to get injured, but I'm just looking to I'm
looking to acquire more capital because I know that my
day will come. It's just going to be a year
from now or two years from now. Biding into that
discipline and just telling yourself everyone's going to like want
to be me eventually. I think it's the same thing
(40:48):
for people who are able to wake up at five
am and go to the gym. I just wish that
dynasty has bled over into that part of my life,
like that would be great, but it has. It's this
discipline of like, hey, I'm sacrificing enjoying today to really
enjoy tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
And I get it.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
People are like, it's not that deep. It is that deep,
and it matters to me in a dynasty, But yeah,
having done it before is the only reason I'm.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Able to do it right right, And I honestly I
don't think.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
I don't think I can do it unless I was
forced to, Like if I just had a team that
was aging out and I'm just like, Okay, I gotta
get rid of these plays.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
This isn't working, or I'm like losing all my game.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Way injuries will do it. It'll be the first time I
promise you that you'll you'll look at your roster at
some point in your ninety career a roster and there
will just be that injury. For a lot of people,
it was Aaron Rodgers last year. If you had like
a Garren Wilson, or you're you know, you mentioned like
t Higgins, maybe you're a team that's counting on that breakout.
Like I'm really high on George Pickens this third year breakout.
He's been you know, I bring him up almost every
(41:43):
show because I've like tracked this whole career. But if
you're counting on a certain player taking the lead or
taking a step like Elijah Moore last season, and those
things plus injuries happen, you may look at it and go, man,
I don't know how to reconfigure this for next year.
I'm just gonna throw the whole thing out, you know, right, and.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
This you know, I look at it too with a
little bit of envy, a little bit of jealousy, because
I can't do that, like I'm not not right now.
I'm just not like wired to do that. I would
like I said that, my hand would have to be forced.
But when you think about it in a vacuum, like
you're going to be setting yourself up for years to
(42:21):
come with just one draft class, but not not only that,
you have two draft class worth of first rounders and
second rounders. So on top of that, you're probably like
looking in the future. It's like, I don't know, you know,
you have a great job, you make six figures or whatever,
and you decide, Okay, you know what, I'm gonna go
out and party and like buy some bottles and pop
(42:43):
some bottles and like, you know, enjoy life while I'm
living it. And some people will do that, and other
people will say, no, I'm gonna put this away and
save it for a rainy day and buy a house
next in the next five years or something that plan, yeah,
and be boring. It's not exciting yet. It's not exciting
(43:05):
in the moment, and we all want to live in
the moment. But I look at that and I'm just like, man,
that is a that's the hell of a strategy, because
in three years, nobody's gonna to deal with you. Nobody none.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
I mean, that's the hope, right, I mean, And it's
funny you just experienced that. We had an owner do
the same thing in Cartel which you adopted the team.
The one awaight for Pooka and Akua which we talked about,
was you trading to the guy that had monopolized that
draft so he got to set the price on Hey,
I want that one player. And that's what I tell myself, Like,
if there's someone I like, I don't have to get
them right now, I can buy them. I should have
(43:40):
enough in the piggy bank to go buy what I
want when the time comes. It's just being diligent enough
for that time to come. But I've also seen a
lot of guys who are The joke we always used
to have is hey, you're two years away from being
two years away, so it's you know, I'm gonna be
losing to you the next the next season in the exchange,
(44:01):
but before we kind of take off. It's been awesome
having you. Thanks for stepping in life. Gave us lemons,
and we didn't just make lemonade, we made margaritis. Who's
who's the player? You're just not just rookies, not just
open player pool. Who are you most excited about next
season that you either have shares of or that you're
trying to acquire shares of In any league you play.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
This question, I will say this, no, I think I
think I know where you're going. But I have a
player on my team that I'm really excited about. I
almost traded him away and then I retracted it. And
there was actually the Dylan the day I'll say, I'll
go on record so it's not Jalen Waddle, but I
was looking at Jail and Waddle because after trading Ayuk
and Jayden Reed, I'm a little light at receiver. I
(44:47):
have depth. I have depth, and I have high upside players,
but I don't have like besides the lobby, I don't
have that second guy that I just like love, you
know what I mean. And I thought I'm trading him
Will Levis.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
But I look at Will Levis.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
As a guy who has so much Like if you
were to say, if you were to say investment wise,
who was the most the player who had the most
invested in him this year? To me? Hands down as
Will Levis. Yeah, you got you got your Calvin Ridley.
You got your Tony Pollard, you got your offensive lineman,
(45:26):
you got all of this stuff right now, and you
got your new coordinator who's amazing. So all of this
stuff is supposed to help you become the player, the
best player that you could possibly be. I want somebody
in that situation because if I'm getting Will Levis, which
I got him in the fifth round, if I'm getting
(45:47):
the Will Levice in the fifth round with that kind
of upside, is that worse than getting a judge? I mean,
I could justify that that's just as good as getting
you know, I'm I'm not not not shitting on Justin Herbert,
but we know that they're going to run the ball,
and we know his numbers are going to come down,
so the gap number exactly numbers might be equal. Yeah,
(46:12):
so I want him at value.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
No, Will Levis's that's a fun name. And yeah, he's
had a great offseason. There's been a ton of weapons
kind of surrounding him. I was I may have been
with that question, poaching for trade opportunities, because that's the
thing about the bank man. The phonemo is real, like
you have to be the grind never stops. Well, Thomas,
thank you, so much for stopping by. We'll have you
(46:35):
on again very soon. I'm sure later this week, Michael
Howley will be joining us. We're gonna have a double
episode week. Thomas. You may just have to join us
for that as well, because you know how the story played,
and you know Mike. But yeah, the trade up for
Marvin Harrison that you mentioned had ripple effects in our league.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
There was.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
It was quite the drama. We're excited to get into it,
so tune in again Thursday. We will hop back in.
But that's it for us, Thomas, thanks again for joining.
This has been a crazy Oh yeah, Brgus Teeter came up. Okay,
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