November 10, 2023 • 33 mins
Michael really wanted to interview an authentic crackhead so his Producer suggested he interview himself. Is addiction all it’s cracked up to be? Is there Life after Crack? Let’s talk about it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M hm, y'all ready, let's go. Welcome missus. Michael called
this world, started doing venice peach. Now he reached in
the world.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
He'll make you laught. Take the stomach car superfly, nice guys, Rade,
you need to work. Trust He's ready for the star
sirts winter and oh g three times this thing on beginning.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Whether you want y'all house, you want your brother's.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
A dinner on your job and your brother that I mean,
it's a reb call.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Michael tauks that everybody like to call yes, Michael taus,
that everybody like a call. Yes, Michael Tauks, that everybody
he's no called Michael Tuck to everybody called. Michael talks
to everybody. Michael talks, say my.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Body, everybody, everybody call yes sir, Yes sir, Yes, sir.
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Hello, everybody is Michael talks to everybody and I'm not
every body listen, get to us now, air body and today,
oh man, I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Try something different. You know, I was very fortunate.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
A few days ago I had an opportunity to interview
a homeless guy, you know, a real homeless dude. You know,
we walked past them all the time, don't want to
look at them, don't know what they're going through. So
we got a chance to talk to one yesterday that
was fascinating. I mean not yesterday, but a few days ago.
And I was thinking, what we really should do is interview.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Created, let's inview and crack head.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
And I was thinking, well, damn, want to just interview me,
because actually my producer said, why don't you interview yourself?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Thank you Malika Blessing.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
But she was right on the money when she said that.
So with me today is the crew, the wonderful, gorgeous,
beautiful Austraya Black Woo Woo from Saint Louis, don't take
no stuff Woody Woo, nice lady, and Anthony Oaks from
DC area. That dude is a great comedian as well.
Say yay, And today we top we jump on a
(02:01):
super heavy topic, cracky crack, crack, crack crack, get back
for it, breaks you back. Folks who know me already,
don't crackhead, I mean they know that part. We don't
want to just be regurgitating the same material over and
over them A crackhead did crack twenty three years, Been
sober twelve years, thirteen years come March first from crack,
cocaine or any other cocaine or any other substance like that.
(02:24):
But those twenty three years I was in, I did
the Royal Dance, and now I would like folks to
sort of know what that experience is. What was so
fascinating with the guy, yes, a couple of days ago,
the homeless guy is. I had never spoken to a
homeless guy in the interview style. So you know, you
say hi, you give a person a sandwich, some money, something,
but you don't know what's going on inside. Same thing
(02:46):
with crackheads. Some of y'all think you know. Crackheads, y'all
don't know shit. But now let's find out what's going
on inside. Any questions to start with Anthony Oaks and
go ahead, Anthony.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yes I do.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
So you know as well that I'm a recovering powder
cocaine addict.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
You never did.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
I never did crack. I feel like I was too vain.
I feel like I was too vain to do crack.
Like I had to set my limits. You know what
I'm saying. I feel like if I got if I
did crack, I would die.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Your bougie. You just bougie addict.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
I was such an addict that one if I tried
it one time, that was the death of me.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Did your nose get all messed up and burnt all
our stuff?
Speaker 6 (03:30):
To this day, my nose whistles by itself. Can you
imagine when I when I got when me and my
partner in my fiance got together, and I had to
explain to him why my nose was whistling, like, oh
my God.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
And he's sober. Yes, And he was sober when you
met him.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Yes, he never indulged in and he.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Was open to to you know, to accept you.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
When I met him started the process of me becoming
getting into recovery. So I met him and I started
doing comedy right at the same time, and both of
those things together is what propelled me to my road
to recovery. Wow, I was just like, I can never
do it again. I can never do it again because
I need I was looking for love for so long,
(04:18):
you know what I'm saying. And then I found love.
And then I found my purpose in comedy. As I
told my first joke ever on stage and I got
that first wave of laughter coming in in my head,
a conversation was going on. You have to stop doing drugs,
you have to remove yourself from those who are doing it. Yes,
(04:39):
oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I went through the whole
like I had to. I didn't renew my lease. I
moved into a boarding house in DC like rats roaches what? Yes?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
So that I wait, why did you do that? Why
did you move?
Speaker 6 (04:54):
Because I didn't I want to be where you were.
I didn't want to be where I was because I
knew that it I would continue doing what I was doing.
I had to sequester myself to be alone in my
own thoughts so that I could, you know, process what
was going on and kind of you know, just just
dog it out.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
And that's that's beautiful and deep that you understood. Oh,
I had to get out of that place because we
all as addicts know you got to stay away from
the people placing things to do that thing or you'll
get tricked and be in that thing again for you
know it. And you actually moved, So you say you
moved from a comfort place like shit, I did the tricking.
So it's so many, so many times you went through that,
(05:36):
so you knew you had to move get a wasting
the entire environment. You went into a worse environment, just
so you wouldn't be My.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Apartment was cute. I had a cute little two bedroom
and on MLK and.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Apparently and you had bets too, from when I hear
you said it was rats and roaches.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
Well, in the in the one that I moved to,
the one that I moved to, it was definitely rats.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
And road right. But that's not the place you're talking about.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
This's cute, right, No, no, no, no, aute place.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
That's what I did. Yeah, that's what I was saying.
You gave that up.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
You gave up a cute place and went to the
rats and the roaches because what the rat and the
roaches were was safer for you as far as an
addict recovery.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
The rats and roaches were not doing cocaine, and I
needed to be around people who were not doing cocaine.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
They were looking for it, though't trust me, they were.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I just want to tell both of you, congratulations, seriously, congratulations.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Oh, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I mean I wouldn't be able to know you guys,
and this, you know, in this.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Light, not if I was still crawling around on the
floor but naked, nigging for that rock.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I'd be busy right now, I don't bother me. I'm busy,
but I.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Do want to say in the culture, when you have
surpassed something like that for a person like me, I
don't define you, even though I know that you did that,
and I don't define you like that. When people get upset,
they may still say it, you know, to make you upset.
But one thing about you, Michael, and you know, Anthony
(07:10):
men and you are gaining a relationship. One thing about you,
You're not afraid to admit. You know what you did,
the actions that you you know you took and taken.
You know what I'm saying. My English not always there
like uh, but but I take all that to say,
when you are so open to, you know, to talk
(07:32):
about all the wrong that you did, nobody can judge you.
Nobody can call you crackhead. I know that you say it,
and it's jokingly, but you are such in a whole
new light. You know that happened. It's funny you could
joke about it.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
But but I'm no longer crackhead. I'm just using that
term for the day. I'm no longer cracked, but I'm
still an addict. Because once you're an addict, you're always
an addict.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
People are addicts, though Michael was just a lot different.
Everybody has a vice. People my mam would go to
the dollar store every damn day.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
She have a problems it me too, I go to
the long day.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yes, I feel that some people have. Some people like
eating and that's they're addicted to it.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
So it's good sit down. I'm I mean, I've.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Dated me and who you know who was on drugs
and recover. I think those are some of the dopest people.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
The honesty, the the.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
You know, the I know that's not a word, but
I'm making up. I'll giving them the pure and pure.
I noticed this, like, you know, the people who you
know in in the culture, crackheads, the people who use
you know, drugs, they tell the truth. What comes out
(08:53):
their mouth is so real. So like, were you like,
damn did he just say that? It's like y'all like
hood trophies.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
I don't know whoa well, you know, we have to
say it, you know, if we want to get to
the other side of it, we have to claim it.
We got to understand it. Because there's the thing if
you if you don't admit you have a problem, there's
no reason for you to correct it.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You know, some of the people who out on drugs
right now, if I go outside and down the street
three four blocks the crack.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Crack, which we could interview one of them, two oh,
that would have been so cool.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
The crack has some of them they don't even they
don't define his crackhead.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
No, of course not, but we call them that. I
gotta question, Michael.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Yes, your first time, the first time you picked up
a rock and was like, you know what, I'm about
to smoke this like that?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I think I said, I think I said it just
like that. I'm mistaken. Uh, you know what.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Actually, for me, it wasn't the rock that I smoke first,
because you know, one hundred and seventy two years old.
So I was doing freebase. So freebase came before crack.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Now, So to those who don't know where freebase is,
what is it?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Well, the base of the cocaine is the strongest part
of it. When you take cocaine and blend it with stuff,
it's one thing, but you can strip it down to
his raw source and all you have is base cocaine,
pure cocaine that you burn and it gives you an
ethereal feel. It's almost like if you had opium or
some type of drug that just takes you in the
surreal high. So we're doing freebase free. The freebase was
(10:38):
very expensive though, but I wasn't doing it at first.
I was selling it at first, you know, because the
worst thing you want to do is do your own product.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Once I start doing it, that's what put me out
to business.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
But I started out yes, dud.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
It took me two days to finish that off.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
No anyway, So no, it was really so crazy because
I only had five customers because it's so expensive that
people would come and give me the whole check and
sit in my basement until the check worth of cocaine
was smoking and then they leave, you know. So I
didn't have a four to five customers, but I was
making really good money and they were having so much fun.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I was like, well, what it? What happened?
Speaker 5 (11:26):
I wonder what happened if I get in this dance too,
you know, and and I sort of like that, but
I wasn't hooked. I was just sort of doing it.
Then I came to California and I was out there. Man.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Then it was the good stuff.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Well, it wasn't the good stuff, but it was everywhere
you couldn't turn. You know, this is mid eighties when
crack was at its height. So you can get cracked
from the nuns. I mean you could get it from anybody.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
You know, everybody.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
And the same lady that sold the icy cup sold
nickel bags and cracked, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
So so it was so easy and it was everyone.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
And I think one of my problems always been I'm
not self disciplined as I would like to be, and
I am working on that every day. But self discipline
is so important. That's one of the things that keeps
you out of so much trouble we're in. If you
think about trouble we've been in, if you stop and
thinking about what happened, if you had been had self
disciplined about that situation, you wouldn't have stepped in, you
(12:22):
would say, if you'd have thought responsibly and went, no,
I ain't gonna do that because.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
This is gonna happen. Which is with me with my addiction.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
The thing that keeps me from ever going back is
I always remember how it ends.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
See a lot of people don't remember how it ends.
They just remember how good they feel.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
So they get around rocks back, I get something, but
they don't remember that once it's all gone, that come
down owyike.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
It's terrible. It's terrible, and.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
The worst part of it is the intellectual downing. You know,
you just feel terrible about yourself. You you feel yeah, embarrassed,
you feel self conscious, you feel like everybody know you know,
and so you spend your next two three days just
feeling bad about yourself. And then you bump into somebody
with another rocking. Here we go get you know, So
(13:13):
here's a vicious circle. But yeah, that's how the first
time I release started was like the freebase and then
I would do rocking. It was so easy. It was
just so easy to get. And plus I had too
much money, you know what I'm saying. I was I'd
already at that time. I'd been doing that for a
little bit before I get the Venice. So like the Venice,
I was doing it, and I was making sacks of money. Man,
(13:33):
I'm talking like I would leave there with a fucking
briefcuse suitcase of money every day, and I had no bills.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I was living in a one room room and rooming.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
With a roomor in fact, the apartment I was in
really had just one room, so the bed was to couch,
The sink.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
And all that was made in the wall, and the
only separate room was a little closet there was.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
The bathroom was the actual bathroom, but you damned they
had to stand up the shit.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
It was tiny, but it was all I needed because
all I.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Was doing was going to Venice Beast, telling jokes and
hanging out with women, eating piece and shit. I didn't
need nothing, right, so all I had was that, which
it was just a say I didn't have any real
responsibilities and.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
A whole lot of money. And man, when you got
money and no responsibilities and I have it, you better
get out the way, cause I ma'n, I was smoking
like a choo choo train. Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
You know so no, so no one introduced it to you.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
You.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I mean, I understand, like you know, you were selling it,
but you know, usually someone introduces it to you. No.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I sought the rock out. I sought that out myself.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
You know, nobody introduced me because I had already knew
free I'd always was selling freebase.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I used to sell weed that I graduated, the freebase
that I bought a new house.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
I mean, I was doing just all kind of wonderful
things with the money from it, because there was a
lot of money from Freebase and I wasn't doing it myself.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Then when I started doing it, well, that.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Was my road downhill. I started sliding down here from there.
But I thought I was good. You know, I stopped
that for I thought it was good. But then I
saw people. I was with some folks who were smoking cracker.
I don't remember who it was who offered it, but
you know how offers are.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
He made her an offer. She honored his offer, and
all night long he was honor and offer. So anyway,
I went for it. I was stuck.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
And right now we got to jump off and come
back because we got to go and do a little
quick commercial. I'm not stuck right now. We'll be right
black because we're gonna talk more about this damn crackhead.
Michael talks to everybody and we're back.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, so I got another good question.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Come on, let's see. I'll tell you how good it
they are gone.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Have you ever seen anyone dye in front of you?
I'm not not.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
No, I'm never SEINGOD.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
But like OD or anything like that I've.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Never seen body od from crack cocaine. But I wasn't
around that kind of you know. I was real quiet
about it, you know, real quiet, real private. I was
what they call a functional addict. I was an addict
who I went to work. I mean, I did all
kind of stuff. I mean I was I was doing
I did Hollywood shuffle, I was doing movies, TV shows, getting.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Fucked up, but never doing the work. I was never.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Irresponsible, I mean, and the only irresponsibility was when I
didn't have work, and then I'd be so fucked up.
I'd be trying to get high till seven in the morning,
knowing I got an eleven in the morning interview. So
now I'm in there. I called myself and washed my face.
I remember once I went to shave my head with
the just regular track too. I so had I dug
(16:41):
a hole in my head with a safety raceer.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
I just shift. Wait. It was so bad.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
One day I almost chose a preparation HS for toothpaste.
I thought it was the toothpaste, and I was like,
this color, this color ain't right, you know. But my
tieth didn't itch after that for a long time. No,
so so so.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I anyway, go ahead, I'm.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
Sorry, Oh no, I get with you like Austraya. I
was introduced to it. I was introduced to cocaine. I
went to me and some of my friends at this
meeting in Atlanta, this house meet because I'm a part
of a house. And we went over one of my
friends a boyfriend's house. So we're all in there. It's
like three of us and my friends. My two friends
(17:24):
kept going to the bathroom and I was like, why
do they keep why do they keep going to that
bladder or something? They ain't got to pee this much?
And the boyfriend was making googly eyes at me, you
know what I'm saying. And I was young, and I
was like, look, that's my friend's boyfriend. You know, I'm
not trying to So the next time they went to
the bathroom, I went back there and I was like,
what are y'all back here doing? I like ran up
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in the bathroom and they don't tell nobody, but we're
doing cocaine. I was like, first of all, why are
y'all whispering? Like, ain't nobody hear y'all back here? And
I was like, stop lying, And they pulled out like
a dollar bill, and they had like a mound of
white around it. The first thing I thought of was
this old episode of Miami Advice when Crockett and Tubs
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had busted this cocaine dealer, and it was like people
like cocaine everywhere. People were like doing it and like
they busted in there. And even when I saw that
clip at twelve years old, it was intriguing to me.
So when I saw it in real life in front
of me, I was like, maybe I'm about to crush
this dollar bill.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
So I was doing it. I was doing it. I
was doing I was like, am I doing it right?
Am I doing it right?
Speaker 6 (18:35):
They was like, you gotta like snip it up in there,
and I was like, well, it ain't doing nothing.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
So mind you.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Were gone to the meeting. It's at somebody's house, right,
So I'm in there and I'm like, I don't feel
not mind you. My throat is on lock. It's a
lot because there's numb from the coat. I sit in
the person's living room. I tell my friend to give
me a cigarette. I light the cigarette up in the
person's house. They were like, excuse me, I don't smoke
(19:00):
in my house. I was like okay, and everybody knows
that that's against my personality, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
So they were like, what is wrong with you? Are
you okay? And I was like, yeah, what y'all mind you?
Speaker 6 (19:16):
I'm like, yeah, what the fuck I'm talking about?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Of course I'm okay.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Of course I'm not talking fast you all over the place,
all over the place.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
It looks so freaking embarrassing. And I didn't do it
for like maybe a couple of months after that, but
then it presented itself again. And after that, baby, it
was all about that white girl.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I just want to say this. This is one thing
that I always I mean, I've been offered, but I've
always been afraid. But in the back of my mind,
I always say, now, you gotta be kind of a smart,
rich person to offer somebody some cocaine, because that's some
expensive shit. Yes, I was thinking, like, yeah, I like Bardian,
but I don't want to poorty like that. But thanks
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for offering. I mean, that's a I mean, you gotta
curve about me a lot to want to experience some
expensive ship with me that's gonna that cost this much.
But me, I just I'm a person. I'm very impulsive.
So I've always been afraid to try anything. Like when
ecstasy came out and they used to say were about
to take off.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I say, I hear her. When y'all get back.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Outside of weed, I'm just me because I'm just hyper.
I mean, anything outside of weed and liquor, I've always
been to afraid. And I always used to say I
did not want I mean, I did not want my
mom being so she already is very hard like growing up,
I did not want her to be like embarries and I.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Used to chew epils. I used to chew them.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
That's why I ain't got no side teeth now.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Ecstasy never done anything you haven't done.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I've never done anything outside of weed and liquor. I'm
always my environment of growing up. I watched my grandmother
kick my cousin in his stomach because one day I
found out what crack was at the age of like twelve,
and my cousin was down on the ground licking his
finger looking for it, and my grandmother knew exactly what
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he was looking for and ran up on him and
kicked them in his stay. Yeah, he was off fours
was a room like it was a bunch of us.
My grandmother got twelve kids. So my grandmother had a
house candy store, so everybody always stayed at our house.
Seeing something like that being very young, That's what I'm saying.
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My environment just certain things that to tay it made
me like there's no way, and so that's what I'm saying.
I found out what we was at a very younger age.
That funny smell like incense, you know, but like crack,
I just knew my cousin he got ran over by
a bike Like I never had g rent of a
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bio by a by a twelve speed. So it was
so many things that I was like, if crack got
you acting like that.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
You don't want no part of it now.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
And I come up in the era which was a
heavy crack era, and this a heavy AIDS era, so
everybody was, I mean, like eighty six is really when
they declared AIDS is a thing. Before that, they didn't
know what it was. It's called a gay White man's disease.
And they weren't trying to help, the government wasn't spending
no money at all to help because they felt like, hey,
this ain't my stuff. There's some addicts and we don't care.
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It was weird though, because this time the addicts weren't black.
Most of the addicts was white, you know, but they
wasn't giving them no help. So in the end, so
people was dying left and right from the either from
addictions or from aids.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
And so that's when I first started doing comedy.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Really heavy was eighty six, and so that's why I
was trying to do pieces about safe sex. I was
trying to do pieces about everything that people were scared of,
so racism, safe sex, these things. But because I was
getting high, I was also really informed.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
About what I was talking about because I was.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
The nigga doing it.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
It was crazy.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
I mean, I did so many projects and things, and
I remember during that period I was fucked up. I
must have smoked the house at least two houses, you
know I and you don't even think about it. It's
so funny too, because I was living at twenty twenty
dollars at a time, you know, I was like, how
have we lived so long with our ATM machines?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I need to get one of my house.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
I'm gonna put it in the refrigerator to set it
right up against refrigerator because I would go back and
get twenty, and then back and get I'm just gonna
get one more rock. That's it, go back and get
twe I swear this is it. Okay, I'm gonna get
one more.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I ain't laying y'all. I not bullshit before.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
I'm just gonna get one more right, And next thing
I know, and mofucker bankcounts say thirteen dollars.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Can't get no twenty out when you ain't got but thirteen, you.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Know so, So yeah, I didn't plan in it, but
it took a long time to get out.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Took a long.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Time because of my personality. Drug dealers often befriended me,
and also because all of my friends were drug addicts,
you know what I'm saying, So they knew that I
would bring you know what I'm saying, But I would
get a lot of my stuff on gradis.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
I remember one time the dealer she was having some
issues and she moved in with me, like temporarily, she
stashed at my house. So she got on something because
she used to hang out with you know, a lot
of white people. She got strung out on something and
she didn't come back to the house for weeks. Baby.
When I tell you what knows what follow the nose?
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Nose?
Speaker 6 (24:46):
Oh my god, I got evicted. They put the eviction
sign on my door. I knew when they were coming
to evict me, but it had started like snowing that day,
and I was like, they're not coming. I had about
three eight balls individually, like separated. Wow, and I had
a little date over when I tell you, we was
going in on them bags.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
And then over up police.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
What I had to grind a black cat named Berken.
I had an old doctor Quinn medicine bag. I put
my cat in that bag, put them three eight balls
wrapped up in there, put some little clothes in there,
and me and my date went across the street after
I got locked out of my apartments by the police,
went across the street to my friend's house, and I
was like, hey, I got the ship. I got the ship.
What y'all trying to do? They broke out the bottles
(25:31):
and we just started having a party right in the morning.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
What we missed in that conversation, we missed some soiget
the knock was on the door, okay, yes, And it
was a knock on the door, and then you put
the cat and the drugs in a bag.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Did you ever go to the door.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
Yes, after I got all that stuff together, after I
got my bag together, I went to the door and
they were like, mister Oaks, you know you're being evicted.
Do you want to grab some stuff?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
No, And I don't want to grab nothing.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
I got everything I needed this bag.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Michael, What was your ah moment? I was following album,
meaning like, what was the moment you know, you say
it a bunch of times, like hey I feel bad
three days later after getting high and things like that,
But what was the moment that you was like, I
no longer will do this. I will no longer and
(26:21):
you just because you've been clean over.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
It's been yeah, it's been twelve years. It's been twelve years.
And when I did it, I don't remember. I just
know that I messed up a lot of things, you know,
I mean a lot of relationships and friendships. I hadn't
even realized that I ruined a lot of money. I
mean I made a lot of money. I ain't got
no money now, so I spent and wasted a lot
(26:46):
of money, time and energy.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
And I think the thing that did it.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Was I was I was tired of seeing my wife
crying every night, and the nights I came in, I
come in three third in the morning, she crying, you know,
tears rolling out off face.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I'm hind of mofuck, my eyes rolled around my head.
I'm sweating like.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
R Kelly in a playground. You know, I'm funked up,
you know what I'm saying. And then and it was
so bad that, you know, I would come in and
she cool cry, and then she get in bed and
pretend to be sleep, so she woulded to deal with
my shit, And so I would pretend that she would
sleep too, and I'd get my mad something. Go to
the bathroom with that extra stem and extra rocket. I'll
be in there trying to get that after blast. But
(27:24):
I just got sick and tired of that. I get tired,
and I get sick and tired of being sick and
tired and things not working. Things don't work unless you
do what's supposed to be right.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
That's true.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
I mean, in real life, you do right things. Right
things up bring about right actions. So if you want
to have stuff, you got outline yourself. That's what I
was talking about self discipline. It's because if you're not
going to do the right thing, and the right stuff
is never gonna happen for you. But if you keep
going towards doing the right thing, the universe supposed together.
That's that new book I have, Little Bobby White. It's
(27:54):
all about this little kid who always wins because he
chooses to do the right thing.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
You do the right thing, You're gonna be aye.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
You know what I think people need to know. I
think that people think that you're in recovery and it's like, oh,
we're done. I'm done with it and I'm done. Let
me tell you. I did cocaine for so long that
I experienced so many things doing it, So just an
everyday experience can trigger make me. It can trigger and
(28:23):
be like, oh, I remember I was how when I
did this? And it is a constant thing that I fight.
It's not like I'm like, oh I want to get high,
but there are definitely times where I feel like I
can smell it. I feel like I can smell it,
like I'll get I feel like me too. Did I
just get a drain and like, wait a minute, what
this residual cocaine from seven years ago? Like I'm really
(28:46):
like so it's a constant. Just because I'm I've been
clean for over seven years, it doesn't mean that I've
escaped my addiction. It's something I deal with on a
day to day basis.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
I used to go to the I mean to cut
you off, but I used to go to my AA
meeting with I go to in Pacific Palisades on Sundays
at ten o'clock. When I would go to those meetings,
there was a couple of little white couple it was
bad to be in the seventies, maybe even eighties, sweet
as can be, and the wife had been sober for
(29:15):
nineteen years and fell off after nineteen years. You know
the problem with falling off, he is you got to
start over, you know.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
So there'm nineteen year agone.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
That takes her back to day one and then she
was back in the meeting at day twelve or something
like that. She had to start all over. Her husband
still had his nineteen years, but she had to start
all over. That's why people placed the things. They say
that you got to stay away from them because you'll
smell it even if it ain't there, you'll feel it.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Even though I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
That you both have forgiven yourselves and that we are
in new chapters in our lives, like you said, by
doing the right thing. So look at this like this
is beautiful. Because I almost wanted to cry. I'm like, yeah,
know how hard I am? Yes, I was so like
I had swallowed like three times, and I was like, oh,
(30:04):
don't do it.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Don't do it when there wasn't no cocona me too,
especially if I dropped the pipe and broke it.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Sometimes I get so high, be so mad. I take
that back pipe and I just break out.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
The throat and you know what that means. Ain't gonna
buy another damn pipe, That's what it mean. Gotta get
another damn pipe. Smoke it out of sock. I'm sorry, Okay,
we gotta wrap it up. But I thought you was
gonna say, uh straight, I thought you was gonna say,
I'm really glad that both of y'all had that experience so.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
I don't have to smoke that shit, you know. But
uh that but weird.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Goods Because I was really being since there. It made
me a little vulnerable, like, oh, I almost wanted to cry.
But the gangster in me was like, that's fed up.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
They was on this sheet, my goodness. Well we're out
of time. That went really fast, guys, that went zoom zoom.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
We're out of town.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
We don't do what thirty minutes on the show. We
try dragging out. You know, I get place to go
on people to do, and probably so do you.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Straight I tell people how they can find you, and
thank you for today.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I'm no problem. Well, first of all, November nineteenth is
my birthday and would it be in the month of November.
I have to know that, so I will be celebrating.
And if you want to cash apt me you can.
It's st r a Ya black on all destraia Black, Vemo, Kpal,
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(31:27):
it off and you can find me Monday through Friday
on d Michael call you.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Morning show, best co hostess ever. Thank you very much. Hey,
how can they find you? Anthony?
Speaker 6 (31:37):
You can find me on all social media platforms at
Anthony Oaks Comedian. You can go to my website at
Anthony Oakscomedian dot com.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Hey, y'all, thank you both for helping me with the
topic today. I'm your boys. Michael call you're here. You
know you can listen to us three days a week
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Speaker 3 (32:12):
I take your bus transfer if it's got some.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Time left on it. Ladies and them, I have a
wonderful day today. God bless you real good. I'm gonna
see you on the next one. I'm your boy, Michael Kaya.
And remember life is a garden if you dig it.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Woo. I had a good time today. I hope y'all
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Speaker 3 (33:02):
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This has been a ray Lock Group production. I see
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M hm, y'all ready, let's go. Welcome missus. Michael called
this world, started doing venice peach. Now he reached in
the world.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
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you need to work. Trust He's ready for the star
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
A dinner on your job and your brother that I mean,
it's a reb call.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Michael tauks that everybody like to call yes, Michael taus,
that everybody like a call. Yes, Michael Tauks, that everybody
he's no called Michael Tuck to everybody called. Michael talks
to everybody. Michael talks, say my.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Body, everybody, everybody call yes sir, Yes sir, Yes, sir.
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Hello, everybody is Michael talks to everybody and I'm not
every body listen, get to us now, air body and today,
oh man, I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Try something different. You know, I was very fortunate.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
A few days ago I had an opportunity to interview
a homeless guy, you know, a real homeless dude. You know,
we walked past them all the time, don't want to
look at them, don't know what they're going through. So
we got a chance to talk to one yesterday that
was fascinating. I mean not yesterday, but a few days ago.
And I was thinking, what we really should do is interview.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Created, let's inview and crack head.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
And I was thinking, well, damn, want to just interview me,
because actually my producer said, why don't you interview yourself?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Thank you Malika Blessing.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
But she was right on the money when she said that.
So with me today is the crew, the wonderful, gorgeous,
beautiful Austraya Black Woo Woo from Saint Louis, don't take
no stuff Woody Woo, nice lady, and Anthony Oaks from
DC area. That dude is a great comedian as well.
Say yay, And today we top we jump on a
(02:01):
super heavy topic, cracky crack, crack, crack crack, get back
for it, breaks you back. Folks who know me already,
don't crackhead, I mean they know that part. We don't
want to just be regurgitating the same material over and
over them A crackhead did crack twenty three years, Been
sober twelve years, thirteen years come March first from crack,
cocaine or any other cocaine or any other substance like that.
(02:24):
But those twenty three years I was in, I did
the Royal Dance, and now I would like folks to
sort of know what that experience is. What was so
fascinating with the guy, yes, a couple of days ago,
the homeless guy is. I had never spoken to a
homeless guy in the interview style. So you know, you
say hi, you give a person a sandwich, some money, something,
but you don't know what's going on inside. Same thing
(02:46):
with crackheads. Some of y'all think you know. Crackheads, y'all
don't know shit. But now let's find out what's going
on inside. Any questions to start with Anthony Oaks and
go ahead, Anthony.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yes I do.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
So you know as well that I'm a recovering powder
cocaine addict.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
You never did.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
I never did crack. I feel like I was too vain.
I feel like I was too vain to do crack.
Like I had to set my limits. You know what
I'm saying. I feel like if I got if I
did crack, I would die.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Your bougie. You just bougie addict.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
I was such an addict that one if I tried
it one time, that was the death of me.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Did your nose get all messed up and burnt all
our stuff?
Speaker 6 (03:30):
To this day, my nose whistles by itself. Can you
imagine when I when I got when me and my
partner in my fiance got together, and I had to
explain to him why my nose was whistling, like, oh
my God.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
And he's sober. Yes, And he was sober when you
met him.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Yes, he never indulged in and he.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Was open to to you know, to accept you.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
When I met him started the process of me becoming
getting into recovery. So I met him and I started
doing comedy right at the same time, and both of
those things together is what propelled me to my road
to recovery. Wow, I was just like, I can never
do it again. I can never do it again because
I need I was looking for love for so long,
(04:18):
you know what I'm saying. And then I found love.
And then I found my purpose in comedy. As I
told my first joke ever on stage and I got
that first wave of laughter coming in in my head,
a conversation was going on. You have to stop doing drugs,
you have to remove yourself from those who are doing it. Yes,
(04:39):
oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I went through the whole
like I had to. I didn't renew my lease. I
moved into a boarding house in DC like rats roaches what? Yes?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
So that I wait, why did you do that? Why
did you move?
Speaker 6 (04:54):
Because I didn't I want to be where you were.
I didn't want to be where I was because I
knew that it I would continue doing what I was doing.
I had to sequester myself to be alone in my
own thoughts so that I could, you know, process what
was going on and kind of you know, just just
dog it out.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
And that's that's beautiful and deep that you understood. Oh,
I had to get out of that place because we
all as addicts know you got to stay away from
the people placing things to do that thing or you'll
get tricked and be in that thing again for you
know it. And you actually moved, So you say you
moved from a comfort place like shit, I did the tricking.
So it's so many, so many times you went through that,
(05:36):
so you knew you had to move get a wasting
the entire environment. You went into a worse environment, just
so you wouldn't be My.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Apartment was cute. I had a cute little two bedroom
and on MLK and.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Apparently and you had bets too, from when I hear
you said it was rats and roaches.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
Well, in the in the one that I moved to,
the one that I moved to, it was definitely rats.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
And road right. But that's not the place you're talking about.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
This's cute, right, No, no, no, no, aute place.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
That's what I did. Yeah, that's what I was saying.
You gave that up.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
You gave up a cute place and went to the
rats and the roaches because what the rat and the
roaches were was safer for you as far as an
addict recovery.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
The rats and roaches were not doing cocaine, and I
needed to be around people who were not doing cocaine.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
They were looking for it, though't trust me, they were.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I just want to tell both of you, congratulations, seriously, congratulations.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Oh, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I mean I wouldn't be able to know you guys,
and this, you know, in this.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Light, not if I was still crawling around on the
floor but naked, nigging for that rock.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I'd be busy right now, I don't bother me. I'm busy,
but I.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Do want to say in the culture, when you have
surpassed something like that for a person like me, I
don't define you, even though I know that you did that,
and I don't define you like that. When people get upset,
they may still say it, you know, to make you upset.
But one thing about you, Michael, and you know, Anthony
(07:10):
men and you are gaining a relationship. One thing about you,
You're not afraid to admit. You know what you did,
the actions that you you know you took and taken.
You know what I'm saying. My English not always there
like uh, but but I take all that to say,
when you are so open to, you know, to talk
(07:32):
about all the wrong that you did, nobody can judge you.
Nobody can call you crackhead. I know that you say it,
and it's jokingly, but you are such in a whole
new light. You know that happened. It's funny you could
joke about it.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
But but I'm no longer crackhead. I'm just using that
term for the day. I'm no longer cracked, but I'm
still an addict. Because once you're an addict, you're always
an addict.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
People are addicts, though Michael was just a lot different.
Everybody has a vice. People my mam would go to
the dollar store every damn day.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
She have a problems it me too, I go to
the long day.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yes, I feel that some people have. Some people like
eating and that's they're addicted to it.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
So it's good sit down. I'm I mean, I've.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Dated me and who you know who was on drugs
and recover. I think those are some of the dopest people.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
The honesty, the the.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
You know, the I know that's not a word, but
I'm making up. I'll giving them the pure and pure.
I noticed this, like, you know, the people who you
know in in the culture, crackheads, the people who use
you know, drugs, they tell the truth. What comes out
(08:53):
their mouth is so real. So like, were you like,
damn did he just say that? It's like y'all like
hood trophies.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
I don't know whoa well, you know, we have to
say it, you know, if we want to get to
the other side of it, we have to claim it.
We got to understand it. Because there's the thing if
you if you don't admit you have a problem, there's
no reason for you to correct it.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You know, some of the people who out on drugs
right now, if I go outside and down the street
three four blocks the crack.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Crack, which we could interview one of them, two oh,
that would have been so cool.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
The crack has some of them they don't even they
don't define his crackhead.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
No, of course not, but we call them that. I
gotta question, Michael.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Yes, your first time, the first time you picked up
a rock and was like, you know what, I'm about
to smoke this like that?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I think I said, I think I said it just
like that. I'm mistaken. Uh, you know what.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Actually, for me, it wasn't the rock that I smoke first,
because you know, one hundred and seventy two years old.
So I was doing freebase. So freebase came before crack.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Now, So to those who don't know where freebase is,
what is it?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Well, the base of the cocaine is the strongest part
of it. When you take cocaine and blend it with stuff,
it's one thing, but you can strip it down to
his raw source and all you have is base cocaine,
pure cocaine that you burn and it gives you an
ethereal feel. It's almost like if you had opium or
some type of drug that just takes you in the
surreal high. So we're doing freebase free. The freebase was
(10:38):
very expensive though, but I wasn't doing it at first.
I was selling it at first, you know, because the
worst thing you want to do is do your own product.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Once I start doing it, that's what put me out
to business.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
But I started out yes, dud.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
It took me two days to finish that off.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
No anyway, So no, it was really so crazy because
I only had five customers because it's so expensive that
people would come and give me the whole check and
sit in my basement until the check worth of cocaine
was smoking and then they leave, you know. So I
didn't have a four to five customers, but I was
making really good money and they were having so much fun.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I was like, well, what it? What happened?
Speaker 5 (11:26):
I wonder what happened if I get in this dance too,
you know, and and I sort of like that, but
I wasn't hooked. I was just sort of doing it.
Then I came to California and I was out there. Man.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Then it was the good stuff.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Well, it wasn't the good stuff, but it was everywhere
you couldn't turn. You know, this is mid eighties when
crack was at its height. So you can get cracked
from the nuns. I mean you could get it from anybody.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
You know, everybody.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
And the same lady that sold the icy cup sold
nickel bags and cracked, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
So so it was so easy and it was everyone.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
And I think one of my problems always been I'm
not self disciplined as I would like to be, and
I am working on that every day. But self discipline
is so important. That's one of the things that keeps
you out of so much trouble we're in. If you
think about trouble we've been in, if you stop and
thinking about what happened, if you had been had self
disciplined about that situation, you wouldn't have stepped in, you
(12:22):
would say, if you'd have thought responsibly and went, no,
I ain't gonna do that because.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
This is gonna happen. Which is with me with my addiction.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
The thing that keeps me from ever going back is
I always remember how it ends.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
See a lot of people don't remember how it ends.
They just remember how good they feel.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
So they get around rocks back, I get something, but
they don't remember that once it's all gone, that come
down owyike.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
It's terrible. It's terrible, and.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
The worst part of it is the intellectual downing. You know,
you just feel terrible about yourself. You you feel yeah, embarrassed,
you feel self conscious, you feel like everybody know you know,
and so you spend your next two three days just
feeling bad about yourself. And then you bump into somebody
with another rocking. Here we go get you know, So
(13:13):
here's a vicious circle. But yeah, that's how the first
time I release started was like the freebase and then
I would do rocking. It was so easy. It was
just so easy to get. And plus I had too
much money, you know what I'm saying. I was I'd
already at that time. I'd been doing that for a
little bit before I get the Venice. So like the Venice,
I was doing it, and I was making sacks of money. Man,
(13:33):
I'm talking like I would leave there with a fucking
briefcuse suitcase of money every day, and I had no bills.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I was living in a one room room and rooming.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
With a roomor in fact, the apartment I was in
really had just one room, so the bed was to couch,
The sink.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
And all that was made in the wall, and the
only separate room was a little closet there was.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
The bathroom was the actual bathroom, but you damned they
had to stand up the shit.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
It was tiny, but it was all I needed because
all I.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Was doing was going to Venice Beast, telling jokes and
hanging out with women, eating piece and shit. I didn't
need nothing, right, so all I had was that, which
it was just a say I didn't have any real
responsibilities and.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
A whole lot of money. And man, when you got
money and no responsibilities and I have it, you better
get out the way, cause I ma'n, I was smoking
like a choo choo train. Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
You know so no, so no one introduced it to you.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
You.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I mean, I understand, like you know, you were selling it,
but you know, usually someone introduces it to you. No.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I sought the rock out. I sought that out myself.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
You know, nobody introduced me because I had already knew
free I'd always was selling freebase.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I used to sell weed that I graduated, the freebase
that I bought a new house.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
I mean, I was doing just all kind of wonderful
things with the money from it, because there was a
lot of money from Freebase and I wasn't doing it myself.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Then when I started doing it, well, that.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Was my road downhill. I started sliding down here from there.
But I thought I was good. You know, I stopped
that for I thought it was good. But then I
saw people. I was with some folks who were smoking cracker.
I don't remember who it was who offered it, but
you know how offers are.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
He made her an offer. She honored his offer, and
all night long he was honor and offer. So anyway,
I went for it. I was stuck.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
And right now we got to jump off and come
back because we got to go and do a little
quick commercial. I'm not stuck right now. We'll be right
black because we're gonna talk more about this damn crackhead.
Michael talks to everybody and we're back.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, so I got another good question.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Come on, let's see. I'll tell you how good it
they are gone.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Have you ever seen anyone dye in front of you?
I'm not not.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
No, I'm never SEINGOD.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
But like OD or anything like that I've.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Never seen body od from crack cocaine. But I wasn't
around that kind of you know. I was real quiet
about it, you know, real quiet, real private. I was
what they call a functional addict. I was an addict
who I went to work. I mean, I did all
kind of stuff. I mean I was I was doing
I did Hollywood shuffle, I was doing movies, TV shows, getting.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Fucked up, but never doing the work. I was never.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Irresponsible, I mean, and the only irresponsibility was when I
didn't have work, and then I'd be so fucked up.
I'd be trying to get high till seven in the morning,
knowing I got an eleven in the morning interview. So
now I'm in there. I called myself and washed my face.
I remember once I went to shave my head with
the just regular track too. I so had I dug
(16:41):
a hole in my head with a safety raceer.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
I just shift. Wait. It was so bad.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
One day I almost chose a preparation HS for toothpaste.
I thought it was the toothpaste, and I was like,
this color, this color ain't right, you know. But my
tieth didn't itch after that for a long time. No,
so so so.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I anyway, go ahead, I'm.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
Sorry, Oh no, I get with you like Austraya. I
was introduced to it. I was introduced to cocaine. I
went to me and some of my friends at this
meeting in Atlanta, this house meet because I'm a part
of a house. And we went over one of my
friends a boyfriend's house. So we're all in there. It's
like three of us and my friends. My two friends
(17:24):
kept going to the bathroom and I was like, why
do they keep why do they keep going to that
bladder or something? They ain't got to pee this much?
And the boyfriend was making googly eyes at me, you
know what I'm saying. And I was young, and I
was like, look, that's my friend's boyfriend. You know, I'm
not trying to So the next time they went to
the bathroom, I went back there and I was like,
what are y'all back here doing? I like ran up
(17:45):
in the bathroom and they don't tell nobody, but we're
doing cocaine. I was like, first of all, why are
y'all whispering? Like, ain't nobody hear y'all back here? And
I was like, stop lying, And they pulled out like
a dollar bill, and they had like a mound of
white around it. The first thing I thought of was
this old episode of Miami Advice when Crockett and Tubs
(18:07):
had busted this cocaine dealer, and it was like people
like cocaine everywhere. People were like doing it and like
they busted in there. And even when I saw that
clip at twelve years old, it was intriguing to me.
So when I saw it in real life in front
of me, I was like, maybe I'm about to crush
this dollar bill.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
So I was doing it. I was doing it. I
was doing I was like, am I doing it right?
Am I doing it right?
Speaker 6 (18:35):
They was like, you gotta like snip it up in there,
and I was like, well, it ain't doing nothing.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
So mind you.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Were gone to the meeting. It's at somebody's house, right,
So I'm in there and I'm like, I don't feel
not mind you. My throat is on lock. It's a
lot because there's numb from the coat. I sit in
the person's living room. I tell my friend to give
me a cigarette. I light the cigarette up in the
person's house. They were like, excuse me, I don't smoke
(19:00):
in my house. I was like okay, and everybody knows
that that's against my personality, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
So they were like, what is wrong with you? Are
you okay? And I was like, yeah, what y'all mind you?
Speaker 6 (19:16):
I'm like, yeah, what the fuck I'm talking about?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Of course I'm okay.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Of course I'm not talking fast you all over the place,
all over the place.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
It looks so freaking embarrassing. And I didn't do it
for like maybe a couple of months after that, but
then it presented itself again. And after that, baby, it
was all about that white girl.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I just want to say this. This is one thing
that I always I mean, I've been offered, but I've
always been afraid. But in the back of my mind,
I always say, now, you gotta be kind of a smart,
rich person to offer somebody some cocaine, because that's some
expensive shit. Yes, I was thinking, like, yeah, I like Bardian,
but I don't want to poorty like that. But thanks
(19:59):
for offering. I mean, that's a I mean, you gotta
curve about me a lot to want to experience some
expensive ship with me that's gonna that cost this much.
But me, I just I'm a person. I'm very impulsive.
So I've always been afraid to try anything. Like when
ecstasy came out and they used to say were about
to take off.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I say, I hear her. When y'all get back.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Outside of weed, I'm just me because I'm just hyper.
I mean, anything outside of weed and liquor, I've always
been to afraid. And I always used to say I
did not want I mean, I did not want my
mom being so she already is very hard like growing up,
I did not want her to be like embarries and I.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Used to chew epils. I used to chew them.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
That's why I ain't got no side teeth now.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Ecstasy never done anything you haven't done.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I've never done anything outside of weed and liquor. I'm
always my environment of growing up. I watched my grandmother
kick my cousin in his stomach because one day I
found out what crack was at the age of like twelve,
and my cousin was down on the ground licking his
finger looking for it, and my grandmother knew exactly what
(21:17):
he was looking for and ran up on him and
kicked them in his stay. Yeah, he was off fours
was a room like it was a bunch of us.
My grandmother got twelve kids. So my grandmother had a
house candy store, so everybody always stayed at our house.
Seeing something like that being very young, That's what I'm saying.
(21:39):
My environment just certain things that to tay it made
me like there's no way, and so that's what I'm saying.
I found out what we was at a very younger age.
That funny smell like incense, you know, but like crack,
I just knew my cousin he got ran over by
a bike Like I never had g rent of a
(22:00):
bio by a by a twelve speed. So it was
so many things that I was like, if crack got
you acting like that.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
You don't want no part of it now.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
And I come up in the era which was a
heavy crack era, and this a heavy AIDS era, so
everybody was, I mean, like eighty six is really when
they declared AIDS is a thing. Before that, they didn't
know what it was. It's called a gay White man's disease.
And they weren't trying to help, the government wasn't spending
no money at all to help because they felt like, hey,
this ain't my stuff. There's some addicts and we don't care.
(22:36):
It was weird though, because this time the addicts weren't black.
Most of the addicts was white, you know, but they
wasn't giving them no help. So in the end, so
people was dying left and right from the either from
addictions or from aids.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
And so that's when I first started doing comedy.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Really heavy was eighty six, and so that's why I
was trying to do pieces about safe sex. I was
trying to do pieces about everything that people were scared of,
so racism, safe sex, these things. But because I was
getting high, I was also really informed.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
About what I was talking about because I was.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
The nigga doing it.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
It was crazy.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
I mean, I did so many projects and things, and
I remember during that period I was fucked up. I
must have smoked the house at least two houses, you
know I and you don't even think about it. It's
so funny too, because I was living at twenty twenty
dollars at a time, you know, I was like, how
have we lived so long with our ATM machines?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I need to get one of my house.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
I'm gonna put it in the refrigerator to set it
right up against refrigerator because I would go back and
get twenty, and then back and get I'm just gonna
get one more rock. That's it, go back and get
twe I swear this is it. Okay, I'm gonna get
one more.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I ain't laying y'all. I not bullshit before.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
I'm just gonna get one more right, And next thing
I know, and mofucker bankcounts say thirteen dollars.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Can't get no twenty out when you ain't got but thirteen, you.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Know so, So yeah, I didn't plan in it, but
it took a long time to get out.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Took a long.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Time because of my personality. Drug dealers often befriended me,
and also because all of my friends were drug addicts,
you know what I'm saying, So they knew that I
would bring you know what I'm saying, But I would
get a lot of my stuff on gradis.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
I remember one time the dealer she was having some
issues and she moved in with me, like temporarily, she
stashed at my house. So she got on something because
she used to hang out with you know, a lot
of white people. She got strung out on something and
she didn't come back to the house for weeks. Baby.
When I tell you what knows what follow the nose?
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Nose?
Speaker 6 (24:46):
Oh my god, I got evicted. They put the eviction
sign on my door. I knew when they were coming
to evict me, but it had started like snowing that day,
and I was like, they're not coming. I had about
three eight balls individually, like separated. Wow, and I had
a little date over when I tell you, we was
going in on them bags.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
And then over up police.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
What I had to grind a black cat named Berken.
I had an old doctor Quinn medicine bag. I put
my cat in that bag, put them three eight balls
wrapped up in there, put some little clothes in there,
and me and my date went across the street after
I got locked out of my apartments by the police,
went across the street to my friend's house, and I
was like, hey, I got the ship. I got the ship.
What y'all trying to do? They broke out the bottles
(25:31):
and we just started having a party right in the morning.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
What we missed in that conversation, we missed some soiget
the knock was on the door, okay, yes, And it
was a knock on the door, and then you put
the cat and the drugs in a bag.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Did you ever go to the door.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
Yes, after I got all that stuff together, after I
got my bag together, I went to the door and
they were like, mister Oaks, you know you're being evicted.
Do you want to grab some stuff?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
No, And I don't want to grab nothing.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
I got everything I needed this bag.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Michael, What was your ah moment? I was following album,
meaning like, what was the moment you know, you say
it a bunch of times, like hey I feel bad
three days later after getting high and things like that,
But what was the moment that you was like, I
no longer will do this. I will no longer and
(26:21):
you just because you've been clean over.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
It's been yeah, it's been twelve years. It's been twelve years.
And when I did it, I don't remember. I just
know that I messed up a lot of things, you know,
I mean a lot of relationships and friendships. I hadn't
even realized that I ruined a lot of money. I
mean I made a lot of money. I ain't got
no money now, so I spent and wasted a lot
(26:46):
of money, time and energy.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
And I think the thing that did it.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Was I was I was tired of seeing my wife
crying every night, and the nights I came in, I
come in three third in the morning, she crying, you know,
tears rolling out off face.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I'm hind of mofuck, my eyes rolled around my head.
I'm sweating like.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
R Kelly in a playground. You know, I'm funked up,
you know what I'm saying. And then and it was
so bad that, you know, I would come in and
she cool cry, and then she get in bed and
pretend to be sleep, so she woulded to deal with
my shit, And so I would pretend that she would
sleep too, and I'd get my mad something. Go to
the bathroom with that extra stem and extra rocket. I'll
be in there trying to get that after blast. But
(27:24):
I just got sick and tired of that. I get tired,
and I get sick and tired of being sick and
tired and things not working. Things don't work unless you
do what's supposed to be right.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
That's true.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
I mean, in real life, you do right things. Right
things up bring about right actions. So if you want
to have stuff, you got outline yourself. That's what I
was talking about self discipline. It's because if you're not
going to do the right thing, and the right stuff
is never gonna happen for you. But if you keep
going towards doing the right thing, the universe supposed together.
That's that new book I have, Little Bobby White. It's
(27:54):
all about this little kid who always wins because he
chooses to do the right thing.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
You do the right thing, You're gonna be aye.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
You know what I think people need to know. I
think that people think that you're in recovery and it's like, oh,
we're done. I'm done with it and I'm done. Let
me tell you. I did cocaine for so long that
I experienced so many things doing it, So just an
everyday experience can trigger make me. It can trigger and
(28:23):
be like, oh, I remember I was how when I
did this? And it is a constant thing that I fight.
It's not like I'm like, oh I want to get high,
but there are definitely times where I feel like I
can smell it. I feel like I can smell it,
like I'll get I feel like me too. Did I
just get a drain and like, wait a minute, what
this residual cocaine from seven years ago? Like I'm really
(28:46):
like so it's a constant. Just because I'm I've been
clean for over seven years, it doesn't mean that I've
escaped my addiction. It's something I deal with on a
day to day basis.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
I used to go to the I mean to cut
you off, but I used to go to my AA
meeting with I go to in Pacific Palisades on Sundays
at ten o'clock. When I would go to those meetings,
there was a couple of little white couple it was
bad to be in the seventies, maybe even eighties, sweet
as can be, and the wife had been sober for
(29:15):
nineteen years and fell off after nineteen years. You know
the problem with falling off, he is you got to
start over, you know.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
So there'm nineteen year agone.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
That takes her back to day one and then she
was back in the meeting at day twelve or something
like that. She had to start all over. Her husband
still had his nineteen years, but she had to start
all over. That's why people placed the things. They say
that you got to stay away from them because you'll
smell it even if it ain't there, you'll feel it.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Even though I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
That you both have forgiven yourselves and that we are
in new chapters in our lives, like you said, by
doing the right thing. So look at this like this
is beautiful. Because I almost wanted to cry. I'm like, yeah,
know how hard I am? Yes, I was so like
I had swallowed like three times, and I was like, oh,
(30:04):
don't do it.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Don't do it when there wasn't no cocona me too,
especially if I dropped the pipe and broke it.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Sometimes I get so high, be so mad. I take
that back pipe and I just break out.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
The throat and you know what that means. Ain't gonna
buy another damn pipe, That's what it mean. Gotta get
another damn pipe. Smoke it out of sock. I'm sorry, Okay,
we gotta wrap it up. But I thought you was
gonna say, uh straight, I thought you was gonna say,
I'm really glad that both of y'all had that experience so.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
I don't have to smoke that shit, you know. But
uh that but weird.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Goods Because I was really being since there. It made
me a little vulnerable, like, oh, I almost wanted to cry.
But the gangster in me was like, that's fed up.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
They was on this sheet, my goodness. Well we're out
of time. That went really fast, guys, that went zoom zoom.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
We're out of town.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
We don't do what thirty minutes on the show. We
try dragging out. You know, I get place to go
on people to do, and probably so do you.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Straight I tell people how they can find you, and
thank you for today.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I'm no problem. Well, first of all, November nineteenth is
my birthday and would it be in the month of November.
I have to know that, so I will be celebrating.
And if you want to cash apt me you can.
It's st r a Ya black on all destraia Black, Vemo, Kpal,
cash app, gas station, I take it out, I chake
(31:27):
it off and you can find me Monday through Friday
on d Michael call you.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Morning show, best co hostess ever. Thank you very much. Hey,
how can they find you? Anthony?
Speaker 6 (31:37):
You can find me on all social media platforms at
Anthony Oaks Comedian. You can go to my website at
Anthony Oakscomedian dot com.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Hey, y'all, thank you both for helping me with the
topic today. I'm your boys. Michael call you're here. You
know you can listen to us three days a week
right here on iHeart or five days a week you
can get the morning show on YouTube to Mike call
you Morning Show. And also I'm hirable. I just started
to put that out there, you know, being a wedding
and stuff. I actually need money these days. So I
(32:05):
do weddings, divorces, pass over, hangover. I do a party
in a phone booth. If you promise to call and
take Greenstand foods, the Canadian money.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I take your bus transfer if it's got some.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Time left on it. Ladies and them, I have a
wonderful day today. God bless you real good. I'm gonna
see you on the next one. I'm your boy, Michael Kaya.
And remember life is a garden if you dig it.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Woo. I had a good time today. I hope y'all
did too. Man.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Thank y'all for checking us out here at Michael talks
to everybody. Hey, you can follow me, man, I'm easy
to follow. I'm on Instagram just under act Michael Kaya.
I'm on TikTok that's Michael Kaye one three five. I
have a very sexy web page called the Realmichael Kaye
dot Com. You know, you go over there, you can
find out bout my merchandise and what I'm doing and
where all my shows, our airthing is right there, or
(32:54):
if you really love me, you can go to my
cash shapp that's dollar sign Michael Kaya's money playing with y'all,
but I accept green sem foods and Canadian money.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I'll take your bus transfer if it's got some time
left on it.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
And my morning show, oh my goodness, Michael kya morning
show that's seven eight in Pacific time, YO, five days
a week.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
This has been a ray Lock Group production. I see
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