November 20, 2023 • 29 mins
Celebrating 50 years of HipHop, rapping with Chuck D was soooo good we had to bring him back for more. And his World view is Dope. Let’s talk about it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
You all ready, let's go. Well, so missus, Michael called
this world started doing Venice Peach. Now he reached in
the world. He'll make you left ticket, stomach cars, superfly,
nice guy, prad If you need to trust, he's ready
for the star sirts winner and oh g three times.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
This ain't gonna be get up. Whether you went down house,
you want your brother.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Out's a dinner on your job and your brother, I
mean he's a Michael Taus said, everybody like to call
Michael Taus and everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Like to call. Yes, Michael Sauce say, everybody, you know
what Shin called.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Michael Fox said, Everybody called Michael Taus and everybody minday
to say my body.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Everybody, everybody call Hey, everybody, welcome to Michael talks to everybody.
This is special. This is the part too. You know
we we had Chuck did on here the legend uh episode.
We just can scratch the surface in thirty minutes. Man,
he got so much wonderful stuff going on. You can't
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get all that done in the one episode. So we're black,
I mean, we're back here. He is my friend, Chuck
d Welcome back, brother.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Thank you, Mike.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Back to the book. The book is studio. Is that
actual music too, or just an actual book?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
No, it's now I call it Nafi gravel because right now,
graphic novels are the thing. A lot of people don't
want to read all those words or the pictures. You know,
they go back to first grade and second grade. Really,
But my thing is this was like not just a journal,
but every day I would say a little bit that
was on my mind, but I would just put an
illustration next to it. It's called the sum of ham
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and that talked about the summer of twenty two where
it seems like it was so many mass shootings and
the United States making some rules in law whenever they
want to stop something, they can stop something with rules
and laws and lobby in Congress. And we've been talking
about this black community man ever since. You know, R
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and B and R and B is like regging and
bush drugs and the guns all of a sudden seemed
like they came out of nowhere and happened to be
in the black communities first.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
So we had the answer to that.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
But twenty twenty two is crazy and twenty twenty three
is just as crazy. But they don't put it up
in the media a lot, so they're trying to like
subdue the news. But man, today, man, you hear about
somebody shooting somebody. That's a United States of America disease
every day.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
And I'm from Chicago, brother, and we shooting each other
twenty thirty people at a time on the weekends. Man,
we gotta fand some type of way to turn that around.
I have a bright ideal. I'll talk to you about
it if you're interested. I got a bright ideal, man,
and with a music giant like you working with me,
because I put together a musical piece that would just
sort of remind us of how we're wiping each other
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out as well as remind us of our greatness, you know.
And it's called the soundtrack of My life, because in Chicago,
the soundtrack of our lives is gunshots, helicopters and sirens,
you know what I'm saying. And it's just this really
beautiful piece. But I don't even know what it is
or what to call it. I bet you can help
me define it. I'll bring that to you. And we're
not here talking to the peoples, but in talking to
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the peoples, tell us how important is it you're the
founder of the hip Hop Alliance. How important is that
the hip hop has an alliance that they have some
type of reunion because with us striking on the actor,
we're striking.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I'm also a writer.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
We was striking. How important is the hip hop Alliance
to the.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Artist anything that says it's fifty years old.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
You can't start tagging yourself on the back and beating
yourself in the chest for being Oh yeah, we accountable now,
I mean we should have been done this, but it's
come together with myself. Really, this is Courtigs Blow, Curtis
Blow our first star idea. And Curtis Blow had a
serious ailmen, he had a heart transplant. It wouldn't have
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been possible if he wasn't a part of the Screen
Actors Guild SAD, which helped insurance help pay for the operation.
And Kirk from that vision was able to say, listen,
I know a lot of people who aren't as fortunate
as me that not only just meet and things such
as insurance and healthcare and concerns or whatever, even down
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to your dental but like we are your royalties, what
are the right people to align yourself up with to
let your family know that you've been in a business
that also has something waiting for you. You have a
legacy and an heirloom. So the Hip Hop Alliance is
pretty much the first union of rappers, DJs, dances, all
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the elements of rap music and hip hop. And the
thing about it, it's just like it's aligned be official
with the Screen Actors Guild and have them.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
That makes it really official.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
And we wanted them to recognize us as being real music,
real musicians. And yeah, it aligns all the other organizations
like the Universal Hip Hop Museum and places like that
makes places like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
and the NAACP to understand that we are in the house.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
So yeah, it effectively gives hip hop a union. Yes, yes,
some guardianship. Somebody look out for you. Flavor Flave, you
started with just you and Flavor Flave right now.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
We started organic organization.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
We did radio shows, We were mobile DJs in the
Long Island.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Hanks Shockley led Spectrum City.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Bill Stephanie my college mate, you know, he was the
first black executive at Deaf Jam. That's who like swept
me through. But we were a big organization. When Republicanny
made the Rock and roll Hall of Fame. One hundred
people flew out from New York to wow La. We
had one hundred people up there. A lot of people
didn't talk about it in the news because we've always
been an organization that did it our way. Not to
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say it always worked out well, but there's always been autonomous.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
So we all come from that.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
And Flavor was one of, you know, one of the guys,
and when we put together Public Enemy, I asked him
to come along because actually, you know, we began a
friendship within the unit just moving furniture for my pops
had a furniture moving well, he had a moving company,
so we moved everything from furniture to tapestry and everything.
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So there's a story before Public Enemy, which is a
movie in itself, and that's me and Flavor driving around.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
New York City moving driving truck.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I had eighteen jobs before I signed my defty and
contract in nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I was twenty six, so it wasn't like I was
forty fifteen.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
My first job was nineteen seventy seven in Manhattan is
shipping under my dad. So I mean I had an
experienced grown life way before, and then I learned to
appreciate a van ryde. You know, today you see new
artists and you know their first record they up in
the private jet.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I didn't.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I ain't fly proper like I was fifty six years old.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Bro, Wow, you appreciated a band ride. But wait, how'd
you meet Flave? You met him after y'all came together
as a musical group, or was he somebody you grew
up with?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Now, we all grew up in the same area, but
we ain't None of us was friends like that. We
all knew each time found each other sort of, but
we came together for the sake of what we did
at college radio Spectrum City as DJ's. You know, I
grew up down the street from Eddie and Charlie Murphy,
you know, so we all from that neck of the woods.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Did y'all know each other? When he was coming up.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
So much that like when he's trying to see if
my sister's home, I got a lot to him at
the door and she at the time, always cool Murphey
used to come to the come to the parking shoes
man always always trying to talk to girls.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Being dress shoes like Sunday School show.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
And this dude's always dressed with me. I talked to girls.
He talking boxing and he's and he's snapping, telling jokes
and cool. Now, Charlie is a different dude. Charlie make
you laugh, matter of fact, even laugh more. But he
arrobbed you at the same time. Ernie rapper.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Ernion actually was in a group of the K nine Posse.
They're all cool people. Man.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Yeah, I've known that, and we've all known each other.
You know, Hank and Keith Murphy used to come in
and do comedy on top of DJing.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Let me ask you this, how did you know it
would work, the combination of you and flave? How did
you know that would work? Because that's the hell of
a thing. I got a chicken and people be asking
me what are you doing with that chicken? I said, well,
this is like flavor flavors. Clock man, this is my thing.
When you see it, you know it's coming. But is
he a rapper? Is he a hype man? What the
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hell is he? And how does it work?
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Bill? But well, you James Brown, then come to Chicago,
right right, right right?
Speaker 4 (09:02):
What did Bobby Bird do? Bobby Bird was like, you
know everybody over there? You don't know everybody? Yeah, I
decided to make records. I said, all I want you
to do is be Bobby Bird and sometimes will flip
flop it like that. So that's where the combination came from. Also,
school he d and Code Money had that thing going
back and forth. But the thing is really James Brown
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and Bobby Bird. Bobby Bird was so bad himself, Bobby
Bird spending off of James Brown. That was an unbelievable combination.
But Bobby Bird was the original hype man.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
So Buster rhymes stage name. They said, you had something
to do with that, did you?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Yeah? Yeah, I used to.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I was like Smokey Robinson and Hank Shockley's Arry Gordy.
So I was used to write and the arrange the
songs and get all the young artists and and kind
of train them. You don't teach them, but you train
them how not to do the wrong thing and spend
their time wasting their time on the wrong way to
do it. I'll say, yet, stage presentation, you don't turn
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your back to an audience. You stay up in the
front of the middle. You stop looking for crutches once
you front and center. I mean, you're really not really
teaching any other techniques and then stage techniques are the
same whether you're doing comedy, whether you're doing singing, whether
you're doing folk.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
It's the audience and you were at the stage.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
So things like I used to teach staff, those are
just played playing theatrics. But when you talking to a
young kid who want to rap at seventeen and fifteen,
you're kind of teaching them in the basics on the
thing that they like to do. So leads of New
School with some kids that was downstairs and one of
our cohorts, the head of our musicians. They were always
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hanging because they had a mutual They were the younger
brother of a friend of the main musician, Eric Vietnam Sadler,
so he buster Charlie Brown Dinko d. They was always downstairs,
hanging out underneath our DJ headquarters. But when they wanted
to be a group, just like you know, they want
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to be a rapper, but they didn't have the names,
and they had their own names, And I said, listen,
in order for y'all to get a good start, you
gotta be named right, and you gotta have something that's jumping,
because there's there's nine million people out there with the
same name.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Well, here's a group named Leaders of New School.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
And I went to Buster and said, listen, his name
was tyeem And I said, listen, I don't know man,
if thats gonna make it because it was a football
player that played college football named Buster Rhymes. If I
could shoose, if I could, I'm already a little bit established.
If I could take the name, I would take the name.
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But you know I can't take the name. You take
the name. And of course he gave me the side
that I looked and I was like, trust be, it'll
work for you. And then Buster Tyheen became Buster Rhymes. Yeah,
he's like you, it's the best thing ever happened to me.
You say, you're damn right.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
So so did the CIA track your movements when you
guys with the peak as public enemy.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Not even the peak before the peak, Because if the
CIA is seveiling rap music and we going around the world,
you you better.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Believe there's a beat on it. Just believe the height.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Believe that that you do that talks about coin tell
throw and going up against it and liberating the minds
and the souls of our people. Not only you scoring
upon but you're under surveillance so I made sure like
why I ain't keeping no secret and I don't do crime.
So I ain't doing nothing criminal, nothing for me to hide.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
And I don't do crime.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I like that part.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
And I'm gonna say what I think is right. The
minute you are dipping into dirty, then they got you
because they say you're doing a criminal act.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
But what we always did as public enemy is we use.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
The freedom of speech, freedom all you know what I'm saying,
all this stuff in the company.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Well, I got two. I got two major questions. I
hate to cut you out. I got two major questions.
I gotta I'm back in the eggs, want to come back.
One is I really want to know, especially since you
with the Hip Hop Alliance, it's gonna help a lot
to explain what fire, what file sharing is, what's that about?
And then secondly, I want to know how much has
the game changed this whole music extinction? Those are two.
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When we come back, we'll be right. Black ladies, gentlemen,
you know we have to sell something. This this this
is a real business over here, you know we would
this ain't like no non for profit organization. No, we're
making dollars over here. Gotta go sell something be right
back after this commercial, Michael talks to everybody and today
the great Chuck d see in a minute and we're black. Yes, sir,
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I'm saying there would Chuck be with a legend? Wait,
this is legend or legend?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
You know what I'm saying me.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
People call me legend too, but it's not because I
accomplish anything in particular. It's just like I outlived all
these other motherfuckers. But anyway, we are both sitting here
as legends. And brother, these are two questions. I gotta
get these before this shows over. But this is a
part to y'all. We did two parts and we still
have a scratch of service. I ain't layd. You still
got so much more stuff. But first, which one you
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gonna do? First? Explain file sharing or tell me how
much the game is changed? File sharing first.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Sharing and simple.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
It's like, you know, you have a gadget of phone
and at the same time and somebody uploads a file
without no intermediary and you able to pull it down.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
There in the file.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Well, you know, if file is anything that you have
is data on your phone, you created something you could
share with somebody without nobody, you know, having a business
plan on what you create. Like if I create all right,
and I put on my phone, I send it to
you right away.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
We sharing a file.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
It's that simple, boy. It's like, you know, I go
record a song. Now I got to go to you know,
Sony and CBS. They got to press it up, they
got to put it in the store. Then you get it.
That's what we had to make the We had to
make the software hard order for you to go purchase it.
But if we got a file on our phone or
in the MP three on our computers, I got a file.
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It could be a picture, it could be a song,
it could be an essay, it could be the dirty
or whatever. I could get it straight to you with
not nobody you know in the middle of that. Of course,
there's always something, there's the powers that be at know
everything that's going on.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
But we had a file. And this is why the
music business started.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
It was offensive because here I'm signing you to a
contract and you getting your music without my permission over
to somebody else. Blame Blame the gadget. You know what
I'm saying. And listen, Mike, we come from a time man.
I know you know people too that when you told
me about computers, they'd be like, nah, I ain't trying
to do that. I ain't trying to have big brother
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watch me. I ain't trying to find out these same
person on Facebook looking up their old girlfriends.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah she divorced.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Now I'm gonna look her up and like just right, okay,
Now you're on Instagram at fifty seven what.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Same technology, same tek. You just have a different look
at it. You know, it's never what we what we're
looking at, it's always what we see.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Peoper, Michael Kay, I'll tell you that that that wasn't
on the last episode. It's like, yeah, Quincy Jones says, yeah,
you know, music and artist is great, but when you
know money talks, God walks out the room. And then
you said, some people ask him to leave. I got
your I'm gonna use it. I got your wealty check
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coming to you in the mail boom.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
I'm looking forward to that. See. That's why we have
the Hip Hop Alliance so people could be protected around here.
You know, he didn't want me ask you what do
you love most.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Books and all this stuff? Like I do.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
It took a while to get my style back, you know,
I graduated university and art degree. I was renowned at
nineteen eighty four, and then I got into music for
twenty five years in a row. But I designed things.
I gave art departments, you know, leads on things. We
really just developed the first art departments in hip hop
for the companies.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
But I didn't do hand in hand art a lot.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I did a lot of music and directing, but after
fifty five I got back into doing art full time. Yeah,
it was like one of those things. Man, It's like
I went right back into it. And it's funny back
back to the computer thing. It's like everybody got a
gadget and I tried to get the most out of it.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
You you seem like even trying to be techie for
a long time when most of us old folks because
I'm three years older than you, but that's all. But
most of us senior sittings like, man, I ain't fooling
with that technology, you know. But that's that's the age,
that's where everybody is. That's what the information is a technology.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
I mean, listen, what you gotta do. You gotta keep
your integrity and keep your style. I think able to
do in the arts and I've always been done in
the music. Is that it's very hard to get a style.
But you know, as a as a brother is done
writing acting and comedy, Michael Kaya has a style.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
They can't never get your stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Style is your signature, even your mistakes. Your mistakes are
your signature and your style. We got to learn to
live up with it.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Most people know me as a crackhead mistakes as well.
Will did you be listen? You have a cold line
in one of your songs, Satan never knew what NICI is?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
How would you interpret that? Satan never knew what niciest.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I don't know what I'm from. I think, I think,
I think, I think maybe he got Game.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
It is from he Got Game, and I really liked
he Got Game.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
You write half your life, and life writes the other half.
God writes the other half, and ooh, I like that.
We can't make one hundred percent claim on none of this.
If it comes to us, it comes to us, and
then oh yeah I did that. Oh oh, I'm always
going forward. So sometimes when somebody says something like I
don't have a good memory for lyrics either, I never
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had block.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I could write right right right.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
And also I think the key is, also Mike, is
that you got to know what your shortcomings are. I
never ever was good at memorizing. Oh okay, it takes
me up. Maybe was take the average person maybe twenty times.
I take me a hundred times. I never had creative
block in my life. Never I could create any When
it comes down to retaining and memorizing difficult for a minute,
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like yo jumping, do a play like even when I
do like a lot of reads and stuff like that.
You know, I would have a person give me like
a small paragraph that I gotta remember, and they looking
at me, are you stupid? And I'm like, damn, I
just I just it's me. I'm off to the next
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thing so quick. I done left the thing that I created.
I don't know. I've been coached some of the best
rappers in the world and gave me advice. Care us
one to be real, and they give me tips, and
I try to go to like what they call a
hypnotherapist and try to learn how to memorize.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Wow, I'm with you on that. I can't. It take
me a long time to memorize. I just got a
new series yesterday, and I got the script. I was
up till like three in the morning going on lines
because it was too many of them for me. I
was like, wait a minute, they're not paying me for
this many lines. You know, I'm trying to justify it.
But the same time, I'm going over and over. I
call Samuel Jackson. When I had this movie like two
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years ago, this is this Christmas movie. The first time
I had to lead, and I was terrified because I thought,
you have to memorize an entire movie, you know, like
like if it was a play, you have to memorize
every line and in the order's end. But with a movie,
you shooting different. So I didn't know no of that song.
I'm calling sameel and I said, brother, I just need
to know what is your secret? Dude, what's the secret
for memorizing? He said, dude, the secret is you keep
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reading over and over and over and over until you memorizing.
That's the only secret. It ain't no magic pill. You
ain't gonna rub your stomach and patch your head. You
just got to read it over and over and over
and over until it locks in. You know.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Well, see you know what That's gonna take me a
thousand times and I'd be like, you know what, if
I'm learning the same thing that I did a thousand
times over, that means I ain't making nothing new.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I think I can squeeze two more things in here.
One is what the heck is a rock supergroup. Profece
of Rage.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Prophets of Rage came about in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
The great Time Morello from Rage Against the Machine said
while his group was in pieces, said, I want to
be able to answer to this lunarcy that's about to
take place in twenty sixteen. Maybe we do music, art
and things to prevent this momentum of this uncoming fascism.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
And that was the whole thing with Trump.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
After we had eight years of President Obama, we were
going into four years of Trump and whatever.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Games we had in eight years.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
And of course, you know, see I can talk about
this in the hour because I would be shutting a
critic down. Like what President Obama and First Lady Michelle
Obama bought for me in the United States of America,
I needed be Jesus, but what it brought me brought
me time. Mm I also I needed time to go
around the world and not be scrutinized as this mf
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that came out of the United States of America, spoiled privilege.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
And now you over here, you know, I when Trump
wuked up in.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
There, I go Tom countries and they be looking at
me like, y'all allowed to y'all allowed that to happen
on yall watch. He'd be like, well, you know, I said,
I'm a musician. I look at the world as a
planet Earth.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Chuck.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I feel the same way though, that we let this
happen on our watch. That what Trump was was I believe,
and I will always say this, that he was the
worst thing that ever happened to this country in the
history of this country when it comes to the Constitution
and how he wiped his behind with it, Like Van Camps, He's.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Just white, white wipe.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Every day he would throw away a rule, throw away
something that people died for to get these certain rights
put in place, and he just smeared them and stepped
all over. But it's we the people who's done nothing
about it, because the Constitution said we are supposed to
We're supposed to confront any of our anyone who's against
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the country, rather they're foreign or domestic, any of of
this government's enemy is supposed to be our enemies, and
sometime the enemy lies within. We allow him to be
that and do that, and they look like they're trying
to do it again. The boy going to jail, and
still half the voters want them back.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Here with our history, a sense of history of where
you at in this world, the geography. You are here
by a slave, meaning that we need understanding, knowledge, wisdom,
understanding for other places to understand and know where we're at.
So when anybody comes up about the Trump thing, I'm like, listen,
I'm from New York, right, I've been seeing this dude
for like all my life, for sixty three years, right, really,
right right saying that, Yo, I'm not saying you the
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devil per se whatever. You can do, whatever you want,
that's whatever, But you don't need to be the president
of this spot where I got all my family here.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
And even if you a contrary the things I believe,
I don't need you to be a fuck up at
the wheel. Because the first people to go, Michael, whether
we get into this that whatever, is that we're the
first people to go because we're not collected as black
folks in the United States of America and we be
first to go, that's right, And that's why we can't
afford like to be like, oh, them Negroes and Caribbean
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and they ain't got nothing to do with us. And
those black folks in Africa, we ain't from Africa. So
now you're going to reduce that to where we are
right here and we ain't together right here.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
The fuck here's my language.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
And that's another whole thing. You got to come another day,
because that's another whole thing I want to talk about.
We send so much money to other countries to heal
their problems while we have a tremendous amount of problems
right here. Why we send the money to the Ukraine?
Why we send the money to all these different places?
When South Central get people laying on the ground, downtown
La half a million people laying on the ground, living
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under boxes.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Black lives don't matter. So I don't care how many
statements or rallies we have in the United States America.
If black lives don't matter, that means we have to
do our best to figure figure out how much support
do we get for the black lives that are And
that's that's just real nineteen twenty four, Adolf Hitler gets
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out of German prison, he writes the book mindkom Right,
and at the same time he runs for the head
of Germany. At the time, I just rushing it down
in a quick notes. Right, he don't win, right for
what happens. A lot of things happen where people were
like on their heels kind of figuring it out after
(25:37):
World War One and not paying attention full time to
this momentum that would scapegoat everybody else. And if he
wasn't Airan in blue Eyes, when Hitler wasn't blue eyes
or blonde either, he took this momentum and by nineteen
thirty three you have the rise of Nazism. When Peter
(25:57):
they people didn't see it coming, some people for coming,
a lot of people to see it come in It
was like, what, oh WTF?
Speaker 1 (26:04):
So all this talk.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
About I'm not you know, history is cyclical because you
fool new generations by not having that history embedded into
your present. There we go again in nineteen and twenty
four to twenty twenty four. A person be a damn
liar if they try to tell me exactly that they
know what's gonna happen in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
We don't have no clue.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
We better just hold on and speaking a hold on,
we got to go.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
We out.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Then you got a lot of great stuff to talk about.
But you're right. If I tell you the question, you
gonna go on and on. So it's there's gonna be
one question, but you answered plenty of them. Everything I
need to get answered. You got it out there already.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Keep it to the five areas I made, and when
I'm requested, I'll give out. But thank you, Mike, and
maybe I can come on you other medically. If we
get into a tough spot, like everybody looking for answers,
maybe the two of us could figure it out.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I love that. Let's do that. Let's do that sometimes
just on a humbug, just get in there and mix
it up and see what we can figure I love you, sir,
I appreciate you. I respect you more. And I could say,
it's so good talking to a legend and to hear
your story so vibrant because you in the middle of
all of it, and you are a part of this
fifty year celebration of hip hop. So I'm honorative have
you here today. Tell people how they can find you
(27:21):
so they can get them books and everything else.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Well, the biggest thing I've done this year is starting
the world's first cultural app. It's not social media, it's
cultural media. So they could go to Bring the Nooise
dot com. It's nothing like it. And we have the
eleven channel wrap station radio inter network where we've broken
twenty five thousand songs over fourteen years and ten thousand
artists with their service vehicle.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
You can't be over there.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
I'll do a weekly show call and you don't stop
for fourteen years in a row. Bring the noiseapp dot
com and you see that there's a whole universe up
in there to check me out on.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Well, I love you, brothers. We're absolutely out of time.
I'm so grateful to you came and you. We have
to do a two part of because you got so
much goodness to share, My King, and please come back again.
Let's come on, just me and you. Let's just chop
it up. I love you. Matter of fact, I'm gonna
do some of the talking next time I'm playing with you.
I'm playing with you. I love you, brother, Thank you,
King much respect, peace and blessings. Hey, y'all, you've been
(28:19):
listening to Michael Talks to Everybody, but you really been
listening to Chuck D. Who knows that he got it down.
He knows what was going on in music, he knows
what's going on in life. And I'm glad that he
took time to share with us enough to do a
two parter. So tell all your friends Chuck D is on,
y'all and sit down in front of the machine and
listen to Michael Talks to everybody. Gotta go, get place
(28:40):
to go when people do. I hope you have a
super calif Friday. You listen to ext to me all
the doors just candaday. Let no one steal your rainbow.
And remember life is a garden if you dig it.
Three days a week. Were doing new shows. I'll see
you on the next one. By Woo, I had a
good time today. I hope y'all did too. Man, Thank
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(29:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
You all ready, let's go. Well, so missus, Michael called
this world started doing Venice Peach. Now he reached in
the world. He'll make you left ticket, stomach cars, superfly,
nice guy, prad If you need to trust, he's ready
for the star sirts winner and oh g three times.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
This ain't gonna be get up. Whether you went down house,
you want your brother.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Out's a dinner on your job and your brother, I
mean he's a Michael Taus said, everybody like to call
Michael Taus and everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Like to call. Yes, Michael Sauce say, everybody, you know
what Shin called.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Michael Fox said, Everybody called Michael Taus and everybody minday
to say my body.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Everybody, everybody call Hey, everybody, welcome to Michael talks to everybody.
This is special. This is the part too. You know
we we had Chuck did on here the legend uh episode.
We just can scratch the surface in thirty minutes. Man,
he got so much wonderful stuff going on. You can't
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get all that done in the one episode. So we're black,
I mean, we're back here. He is my friend, Chuck
d Welcome back, brother.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Thank you, Mike.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Back to the book. The book is studio. Is that
actual music too, or just an actual book?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
No, it's now I call it Nafi gravel because right now,
graphic novels are the thing. A lot of people don't
want to read all those words or the pictures. You know,
they go back to first grade and second grade. Really,
But my thing is this was like not just a journal,
but every day I would say a little bit that
was on my mind, but I would just put an
illustration next to it. It's called the sum of ham
(01:42):
and that talked about the summer of twenty two where
it seems like it was so many mass shootings and
the United States making some rules in law whenever they
want to stop something, they can stop something with rules
and laws and lobby in Congress. And we've been talking
about this black community man ever since. You know, R
(02:03):
and B and R and B is like regging and
bush drugs and the guns all of a sudden seemed
like they came out of nowhere and happened to be
in the black communities first.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
So we had the answer to that.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
But twenty twenty two is crazy and twenty twenty three
is just as crazy. But they don't put it up
in the media a lot, so they're trying to like
subdue the news. But man, today, man, you hear about
somebody shooting somebody. That's a United States of America disease
every day.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
And I'm from Chicago, brother, and we shooting each other
twenty thirty people at a time on the weekends. Man,
we gotta fand some type of way to turn that around.
I have a bright ideal. I'll talk to you about
it if you're interested. I got a bright ideal, man,
and with a music giant like you working with me,
because I put together a musical piece that would just
sort of remind us of how we're wiping each other
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out as well as remind us of our greatness, you know.
And it's called the soundtrack of My life, because in Chicago,
the soundtrack of our lives is gunshots, helicopters and sirens,
you know what I'm saying. And it's just this really
beautiful piece. But I don't even know what it is
or what to call it. I bet you can help
me define it. I'll bring that to you. And we're
not here talking to the peoples, but in talking to
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the peoples, tell us how important is it you're the
founder of the hip Hop Alliance. How important is that
the hip hop has an alliance that they have some
type of reunion because with us striking on the actor,
we're striking.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I'm also a writer.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
We was striking. How important is the hip hop Alliance
to the.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Artist anything that says it's fifty years old.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
You can't start tagging yourself on the back and beating
yourself in the chest for being Oh yeah, we accountable now,
I mean we should have been done this, but it's
come together with myself. Really, this is Courtigs Blow, Curtis
Blow our first star idea. And Curtis Blow had a
serious ailmen, he had a heart transplant. It wouldn't have
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been possible if he wasn't a part of the Screen
Actors Guild SAD, which helped insurance help pay for the operation.
And Kirk from that vision was able to say, listen,
I know a lot of people who aren't as fortunate
as me that not only just meet and things such
as insurance and healthcare and concerns or whatever, even down
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to your dental but like we are your royalties, what
are the right people to align yourself up with to
let your family know that you've been in a business
that also has something waiting for you. You have a
legacy and an heirloom. So the Hip Hop Alliance is
pretty much the first union of rappers, DJs, dances, all
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the elements of rap music and hip hop. And the
thing about it, it's just like it's aligned be official
with the Screen Actors Guild and have them.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
That makes it really official.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
And we wanted them to recognize us as being real music,
real musicians. And yeah, it aligns all the other organizations
like the Universal Hip Hop Museum and places like that
makes places like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
and the NAACP to understand that we are in the house.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
So yeah, it effectively gives hip hop a union. Yes, yes,
some guardianship. Somebody look out for you. Flavor Flave, you
started with just you and Flavor Flave right now.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
We started organic organization.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
We did radio shows, We were mobile DJs in the
Long Island.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Hanks Shockley led Spectrum City.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Bill Stephanie my college mate, you know, he was the
first black executive at Deaf Jam. That's who like swept
me through. But we were a big organization. When Republicanny
made the Rock and roll Hall of Fame. One hundred
people flew out from New York to wow La. We
had one hundred people up there. A lot of people
didn't talk about it in the news because we've always
been an organization that did it our way. Not to
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say it always worked out well, but there's always been autonomous.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
So we all come from that.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
And Flavor was one of, you know, one of the guys,
and when we put together Public Enemy, I asked him
to come along because actually, you know, we began a
friendship within the unit just moving furniture for my pops
had a furniture moving well, he had a moving company,
so we moved everything from furniture to tapestry and everything.
(06:23):
So there's a story before Public Enemy, which is a
movie in itself, and that's me and Flavor driving around.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
New York City moving driving truck.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I had eighteen jobs before I signed my defty and
contract in nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I was twenty six, so it wasn't like I was
forty fifteen.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
My first job was nineteen seventy seven in Manhattan is
shipping under my dad. So I mean I had an
experienced grown life way before, and then I learned to
appreciate a van ryde. You know, today you see new
artists and you know their first record they up in
the private jet.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I didn't.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I ain't fly proper like I was fifty six years old.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Bro, Wow, you appreciated a band ride. But wait, how'd
you meet Flave? You met him after y'all came together
as a musical group, or was he somebody you grew
up with?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Now, we all grew up in the same area, but
we ain't None of us was friends like that. We
all knew each time found each other sort of, but
we came together for the sake of what we did
at college radio Spectrum City as DJ's. You know, I
grew up down the street from Eddie and Charlie Murphy,
you know, so we all from that neck of the woods.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Did y'all know each other? When he was coming up.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
So much that like when he's trying to see if
my sister's home, I got a lot to him at
the door and she at the time, always cool Murphey
used to come to the come to the parking shoes
man always always trying to talk to girls.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Being dress shoes like Sunday School show.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
And this dude's always dressed with me. I talked to girls.
He talking boxing and he's and he's snapping, telling jokes
and cool. Now, Charlie is a different dude. Charlie make
you laugh, matter of fact, even laugh more. But he
arrobbed you at the same time. Ernie rapper.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Ernion actually was in a group of the K nine Posse.
They're all cool people. Man.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Yeah, I've known that, and we've all known each other.
You know, Hank and Keith Murphy used to come in
and do comedy on top of DJing.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Let me ask you this, how did you know it
would work, the combination of you and flave? How did
you know that would work? Because that's the hell of
a thing. I got a chicken and people be asking
me what are you doing with that chicken? I said, well,
this is like flavor flavors. Clock man, this is my thing.
When you see it, you know it's coming. But is
he a rapper? Is he a hype man? What the
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hell is he? And how does it work?
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Bill? But well, you James Brown, then come to Chicago,
right right, right right?
Speaker 4 (09:02):
What did Bobby Bird do? Bobby Bird was like, you
know everybody over there? You don't know everybody? Yeah, I
decided to make records. I said, all I want you
to do is be Bobby Bird and sometimes will flip
flop it like that. So that's where the combination came from. Also,
school he d and Code Money had that thing going
back and forth. But the thing is really James Brown
(09:24):
and Bobby Bird. Bobby Bird was so bad himself, Bobby
Bird spending off of James Brown. That was an unbelievable combination.
But Bobby Bird was the original hype man.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
So Buster rhymes stage name. They said, you had something
to do with that, did you?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Yeah? Yeah, I used to.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I was like Smokey Robinson and Hank Shockley's Arry Gordy.
So I was used to write and the arrange the
songs and get all the young artists and and kind
of train them. You don't teach them, but you train
them how not to do the wrong thing and spend
their time wasting their time on the wrong way to
do it. I'll say, yet, stage presentation, you don't turn
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your back to an audience. You stay up in the
front of the middle. You stop looking for crutches once
you front and center. I mean, you're really not really
teaching any other techniques and then stage techniques are the
same whether you're doing comedy, whether you're doing singing, whether
you're doing folk.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
It's the audience and you were at the stage.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
So things like I used to teach staff, those are
just played playing theatrics. But when you talking to a
young kid who want to rap at seventeen and fifteen,
you're kind of teaching them in the basics on the
thing that they like to do. So leads of New
School with some kids that was downstairs and one of
our cohorts, the head of our musicians. They were always
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hanging because they had a mutual They were the younger
brother of a friend of the main musician, Eric Vietnam Sadler,
so he buster Charlie Brown Dinko d. They was always downstairs,
hanging out underneath our DJ headquarters. But when they wanted
to be a group, just like you know, they want
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to be a rapper, but they didn't have the names,
and they had their own names, And I said, listen,
in order for y'all to get a good start, you
gotta be named right, and you gotta have something that's jumping,
because there's there's nine million people out there with the
same name.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Well, here's a group named Leaders of New School.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
And I went to Buster and said, listen, his name
was tyeem And I said, listen, I don't know man,
if thats gonna make it because it was a football
player that played college football named Buster Rhymes. If I
could shoose, if I could, I'm already a little bit established.
If I could take the name, I would take the name.
(11:39):
But you know I can't take the name. You take
the name. And of course he gave me the side
that I looked and I was like, trust be, it'll
work for you. And then Buster Tyheen became Buster Rhymes. Yeah,
he's like you, it's the best thing ever happened to me.
You say, you're damn right.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
So so did the CIA track your movements when you
guys with the peak as public enemy.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Not even the peak before the peak, Because if the
CIA is seveiling rap music and we going around the world,
you you better.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Believe there's a beat on it. Just believe the height.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Believe that that you do that talks about coin tell
throw and going up against it and liberating the minds
and the souls of our people. Not only you scoring
upon but you're under surveillance so I made sure like
why I ain't keeping no secret and I don't do crime.
So I ain't doing nothing criminal, nothing for me to hide.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
And I don't do crime.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I like that part.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
And I'm gonna say what I think is right. The
minute you are dipping into dirty, then they got you
because they say you're doing a criminal act.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
But what we always did as public enemy is we use.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
The freedom of speech, freedom all you know what I'm saying,
all this stuff in the company.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Well, I got two. I got two major questions. I
hate to cut you out. I got two major questions.
I gotta I'm back in the eggs, want to come back.
One is I really want to know, especially since you
with the Hip Hop Alliance, it's gonna help a lot
to explain what fire, what file sharing is, what's that about?
And then secondly, I want to know how much has
the game changed this whole music extinction? Those are two.
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When we come back, we'll be right. Black ladies, gentlemen,
you know we have to sell something. This this this
is a real business over here, you know we would
this ain't like no non for profit organization. No, we're
making dollars over here. Gotta go sell something be right
back after this commercial, Michael talks to everybody and today
the great Chuck d see in a minute and we're black. Yes, sir,
(13:48):
I'm saying there would Chuck be with a legend? Wait,
this is legend or legend?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
You know what I'm saying me.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
People call me legend too, but it's not because I
accomplish anything in particular. It's just like I outlived all
these other motherfuckers. But anyway, we are both sitting here
as legends. And brother, these are two questions. I gotta
get these before this shows over. But this is a
part to y'all. We did two parts and we still
have a scratch of service. I ain't layd. You still
got so much more stuff. But first, which one you
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gonna do? First? Explain file sharing or tell me how
much the game is changed? File sharing first.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Sharing and simple.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
It's like, you know, you have a gadget of phone
and at the same time and somebody uploads a file
without no intermediary and you able to pull it down.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
There in the file.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Well, you know, if file is anything that you have
is data on your phone, you created something you could
share with somebody without nobody, you know, having a business
plan on what you create. Like if I create all right,
and I put on my phone, I send it to
you right away.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
We sharing a file.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
It's that simple, boy. It's like, you know, I go
record a song. Now I got to go to you know,
Sony and CBS. They got to press it up, they
got to put it in the store. Then you get it.
That's what we had to make the We had to
make the software hard order for you to go purchase it.
But if we got a file on our phone or
in the MP three on our computers, I got a file.
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It could be a picture, it could be a song,
it could be an essay, it could be the dirty
or whatever. I could get it straight to you with
not nobody you know in the middle of that. Of course,
there's always something, there's the powers that be at know
everything that's going on.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
But we had a file. And this is why the
music business started.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
It was offensive because here I'm signing you to a
contract and you getting your music without my permission over
to somebody else. Blame Blame the gadget. You know what
I'm saying. And listen, Mike, we come from a time man.
I know you know people too that when you told
me about computers, they'd be like, nah, I ain't trying
to do that. I ain't trying to have big brother
(15:45):
watch me. I ain't trying to find out these same
person on Facebook looking up their old girlfriends.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah she divorced.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Now I'm gonna look her up and like just right, okay,
Now you're on Instagram at fifty seven what.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Same technology, same tek. You just have a different look
at it. You know, it's never what we what we're
looking at, it's always what we see.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Peoper, Michael Kay, I'll tell you that that that wasn't
on the last episode. It's like, yeah, Quincy Jones says, yeah,
you know, music and artist is great, but when you
know money talks, God walks out the room. And then
you said, some people ask him to leave. I got
your I'm gonna use it. I got your wealty check
(16:27):
coming to you in the mail boom.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
I'm looking forward to that. See. That's why we have
the Hip Hop Alliance so people could be protected around here.
You know, he didn't want me ask you what do
you love most.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Books and all this stuff? Like I do.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
It took a while to get my style back, you know,
I graduated university and art degree. I was renowned at
nineteen eighty four, and then I got into music for
twenty five years in a row. But I designed things.
I gave art departments, you know, leads on things. We
really just developed the first art departments in hip hop
for the companies.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
But I didn't do hand in hand art a lot.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I did a lot of music and directing, but after
fifty five I got back into doing art full time. Yeah,
it was like one of those things. Man, It's like
I went right back into it. And it's funny back
back to the computer thing. It's like everybody got a
gadget and I tried to get the most out of it.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
You you seem like even trying to be techie for
a long time when most of us old folks because
I'm three years older than you, but that's all. But
most of us senior sittings like, man, I ain't fooling
with that technology, you know. But that's that's the age,
that's where everybody is. That's what the information is a technology.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
I mean, listen, what you gotta do. You gotta keep
your integrity and keep your style. I think able to
do in the arts and I've always been done in
the music. Is that it's very hard to get a style.
But you know, as a as a brother is done
writing acting and comedy, Michael Kaya has a style.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
They can't never get your stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Style is your signature, even your mistakes. Your mistakes are
your signature and your style. We got to learn to
live up with it.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Most people know me as a crackhead mistakes as well.
Will did you be listen? You have a cold line
in one of your songs, Satan never knew what NICI is?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
How would you interpret that? Satan never knew what niciest.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I don't know what I'm from. I think, I think,
I think, I think maybe he got Game.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
It is from he Got Game, and I really liked
he Got Game.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
You write half your life, and life writes the other half.
God writes the other half, and ooh, I like that.
We can't make one hundred percent claim on none of this.
If it comes to us, it comes to us, and
then oh yeah I did that. Oh oh, I'm always
going forward. So sometimes when somebody says something like I
don't have a good memory for lyrics either, I never
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had block.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I could write right right right.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
And also I think the key is, also Mike, is
that you got to know what your shortcomings are. I
never ever was good at memorizing. Oh okay, it takes
me up. Maybe was take the average person maybe twenty times.
I take me a hundred times. I never had creative
block in my life. Never I could create any When
it comes down to retaining and memorizing difficult for a minute,
(19:22):
like yo jumping, do a play like even when I
do like a lot of reads and stuff like that.
You know, I would have a person give me like
a small paragraph that I gotta remember, and they looking
at me, are you stupid? And I'm like, damn, I
just I just it's me. I'm off to the next
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thing so quick. I done left the thing that I created.
I don't know. I've been coached some of the best
rappers in the world and gave me advice. Care us
one to be real, and they give me tips, and
I try to go to like what they call a
hypnotherapist and try to learn how to memorize.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Wow, I'm with you on that. I can't. It take
me a long time to memorize. I just got a
new series yesterday, and I got the script. I was
up till like three in the morning going on lines
because it was too many of them for me. I
was like, wait a minute, they're not paying me for
this many lines. You know, I'm trying to justify it.
But the same time, I'm going over and over. I
call Samuel Jackson. When I had this movie like two
(20:23):
years ago, this is this Christmas movie. The first time
I had to lead, and I was terrified because I thought,
you have to memorize an entire movie, you know, like
like if it was a play, you have to memorize
every line and in the order's end. But with a movie,
you shooting different. So I didn't know no of that song.
I'm calling sameel and I said, brother, I just need
to know what is your secret? Dude, what's the secret
for memorizing? He said, dude, the secret is you keep
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reading over and over and over and over until you memorizing.
That's the only secret. It ain't no magic pill. You
ain't gonna rub your stomach and patch your head. You
just got to read it over and over and over
and over until it locks in. You know.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Well, see you know what That's gonna take me a
thousand times and I'd be like, you know what, if
I'm learning the same thing that I did a thousand
times over, that means I ain't making nothing new.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I think I can squeeze two more things in here.
One is what the heck is a rock supergroup. Profece
of Rage.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Prophets of Rage came about in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
The great Time Morello from Rage Against the Machine said
while his group was in pieces, said, I want to
be able to answer to this lunarcy that's about to
take place in twenty sixteen. Maybe we do music, art
and things to prevent this momentum of this uncoming fascism.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
And that was the whole thing with Trump.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
After we had eight years of President Obama, we were
going into four years of Trump and whatever.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Games we had in eight years.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
And of course, you know, see I can talk about
this in the hour because I would be shutting a
critic down. Like what President Obama and First Lady Michelle
Obama bought for me in the United States of America,
I needed be Jesus, but what it brought me brought
me time. Mm I also I needed time to go
around the world and not be scrutinized as this mf
(22:14):
that came out of the United States of America, spoiled privilege.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
And now you over here, you know, I when Trump
wuked up in.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
There, I go Tom countries and they be looking at
me like, y'all allowed to y'all allowed that to happen
on yall watch. He'd be like, well, you know, I said,
I'm a musician. I look at the world as a
planet Earth.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Chuck.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I feel the same way though, that we let this
happen on our watch. That what Trump was was I believe,
and I will always say this, that he was the
worst thing that ever happened to this country in the
history of this country when it comes to the Constitution
and how he wiped his behind with it, Like Van Camps, He's.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Just white, white wipe.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Every day he would throw away a rule, throw away
something that people died for to get these certain rights
put in place, and he just smeared them and stepped
all over. But it's we the people who's done nothing
about it, because the Constitution said we are supposed to
We're supposed to confront any of our anyone who's against
(23:10):
the country, rather they're foreign or domestic, any of of
this government's enemy is supposed to be our enemies, and
sometime the enemy lies within. We allow him to be
that and do that, and they look like they're trying
to do it again. The boy going to jail, and
still half the voters want them back.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Here with our history, a sense of history of where
you at in this world, the geography. You are here
by a slave, meaning that we need understanding, knowledge, wisdom,
understanding for other places to understand and know where we're at.
So when anybody comes up about the Trump thing, I'm like, listen,
I'm from New York, right, I've been seeing this dude
for like all my life, for sixty three years, right, really,
right right saying that, Yo, I'm not saying you the
(23:48):
devil per se whatever. You can do, whatever you want,
that's whatever, But you don't need to be the president
of this spot where I got all my family here.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
And even if you a contrary the things I believe,
I don't need you to be a fuck up at
the wheel. Because the first people to go, Michael, whether
we get into this that whatever, is that we're the
first people to go because we're not collected as black
folks in the United States of America and we be
first to go, that's right, And that's why we can't
afford like to be like, oh, them Negroes and Caribbean
(24:19):
and they ain't got nothing to do with us. And
those black folks in Africa, we ain't from Africa. So
now you're going to reduce that to where we are
right here and we ain't together right here.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
The fuck here's my language.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
And that's another whole thing. You got to come another day,
because that's another whole thing I want to talk about.
We send so much money to other countries to heal
their problems while we have a tremendous amount of problems
right here. Why we send the money to the Ukraine?
Why we send the money to all these different places?
When South Central get people laying on the ground, downtown
La half a million people laying on the ground, living
(24:53):
under boxes.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Black lives don't matter. So I don't care how many
statements or rallies we have in the United States America.
If black lives don't matter, that means we have to
do our best to figure figure out how much support
do we get for the black lives that are And
that's that's just real nineteen twenty four, Adolf Hitler gets
(25:15):
out of German prison, he writes the book mindkom Right,
and at the same time he runs for the head
of Germany. At the time, I just rushing it down
in a quick notes. Right, he don't win, right for
what happens. A lot of things happen where people were
like on their heels kind of figuring it out after
(25:37):
World War One and not paying attention full time to
this momentum that would scapegoat everybody else. And if he
wasn't Airan in blue Eyes, when Hitler wasn't blue eyes
or blonde either, he took this momentum and by nineteen
thirty three you have the rise of Nazism. When Peter
(25:57):
they people didn't see it coming, some people for coming,
a lot of people to see it come in It
was like, what, oh WTF?
Speaker 1 (26:04):
So all this talk.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
About I'm not you know, history is cyclical because you
fool new generations by not having that history embedded into
your present. There we go again in nineteen and twenty
four to twenty twenty four. A person be a damn
liar if they try to tell me exactly that they
know what's gonna happen in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
We don't have no clue.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
We better just hold on and speaking a hold on,
we got to go.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
We out.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Then you got a lot of great stuff to talk about.
But you're right. If I tell you the question, you
gonna go on and on. So it's there's gonna be
one question, but you answered plenty of them. Everything I
need to get answered. You got it out there already.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Keep it to the five areas I made, and when
I'm requested, I'll give out. But thank you, Mike, and
maybe I can come on you other medically. If we
get into a tough spot, like everybody looking for answers,
maybe the two of us could figure it out.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I love that. Let's do that. Let's do that sometimes
just on a humbug, just get in there and mix
it up and see what we can figure I love you, sir,
I appreciate you. I respect you more. And I could say,
it's so good talking to a legend and to hear
your story so vibrant because you in the middle of
all of it, and you are a part of this
fifty year celebration of hip hop. So I'm honorative have
you here today. Tell people how they can find you
(27:21):
so they can get them books and everything else.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Well, the biggest thing I've done this year is starting
the world's first cultural app. It's not social media, it's
cultural media. So they could go to Bring the Nooise
dot com. It's nothing like it. And we have the
eleven channel wrap station radio inter network where we've broken
twenty five thousand songs over fourteen years and ten thousand
artists with their service vehicle.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
You can't be over there.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
I'll do a weekly show call and you don't stop
for fourteen years in a row. Bring the noiseapp dot
com and you see that there's a whole universe up
in there to check me out on.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Well, I love you, brothers. We're absolutely out of time.
I'm so grateful to you came and you. We have
to do a two part of because you got so
much goodness to share, My King, and please come back again.
Let's come on, just me and you. Let's just chop
it up. I love you. Matter of fact, I'm gonna
do some of the talking next time I'm playing with you.
I'm playing with you. I love you, brother, Thank you,
King much respect, peace and blessings. Hey, y'all, you've been
(28:19):
listening to Michael Talks to Everybody, but you really been
listening to Chuck D. Who knows that he got it down.
He knows what was going on in music, he knows
what's going on in life. And I'm glad that he
took time to share with us enough to do a
two parter. So tell all your friends Chuck D is on,
y'all and sit down in front of the machine and
listen to Michael Talks to everybody. Gotta go, get place
(28:40):
to go when people do. I hope you have a
super calif Friday. You listen to ext to me all
the doors just candaday. Let no one steal your rainbow.
And remember life is a garden if you dig it.
Three days a week. Were doing new shows. I'll see
you on the next one. By Woo, I had a
good time today. I hope y'all did too. Man, Thank
y'all for checking us out here at Michael Talks to Everybody. Hey,
(29:04):
you can follow me, man, I'm easy to follow. I'm
on Instagram just under at Michael Kaya. I'm on TikTok.
That's Michael Kaye one three five. I have a very
sexety webpage called the Realmichael Kaye dot Com. You know,
you go over there, you can find out about my
merchandise and what I'm doing and with all my shows.
Our airthing is right there. Or if you really love me,
you can go to my cashapp. That's dollar Sign Michael
(29:25):
Kaya's money. I'm playing with y'all, but I accept Green
Stand foods and Canadian money. I'll take your bus transfer
if you got some time left on it. And my
morning show, oh my goodness, the Michael Kaye Morning Show.
That's seven eight m Pacific time, YO, five days a week.
This has been a ray Lock Group production. I see
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