Part of this week's episode of MC comes from End of the Road festival, where Stu met up with Irish drone folk band Lankum and put your questions to Long Island sibling duo The Lemon Twigs. Even the one about the Muppets.
Back home Greg and Stu unpacked the fiasco surrounding Oasis' ticket sale nightmare, particularly the scam that is "dynamic" ticket pricing. And what's all this about the Smiths reunion not being as improbable as we'd all started to think. God help us all!
Other music news too, and 3 bands we think should have never reformed.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good evening, I'm Greg Cochran.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Good evening, I'm Stuart Stubbs. We are a couple of
journalists who've been working in independent music since the days
of MySpace.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
One night a week, we become your guides through the
week in music, because, let's face it, the algorithms have
stopped working for most of us.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So we're here to share the best new underground music
and the news that you might have missed, as well
as discussing the week's biggest headlines and bringing you interviews
with some of our favorite alternative artists.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The show is called Midnight Chats.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Well, that was a bit of a different start, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Greg.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
We finally decided to make some proper titles for this
podcast over one hundred and forty odd episodes. In the
reason for that new title sequence, which you're going to
be hearing a lot of if you're a regular since
his podcast, is because we got to a point really
where we realized that we hadn't fully explained what Midnight
Chats is, or if we did, it was a very
(00:56):
long time ago now, and also we really were running
out of ways to introduce ourselves. It was starting to
feel like the one show over here. So if we
just do it in one go like that, we're set now.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, absolutely, Evening stew I'm loving our new snazzy title sequence.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
It sounding good.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I am aware of the fact that we've now spent
fifty eight seconds talking about the sequence, which has this
has all gone a bit partridge now, isn't it negates
saving time. Let's talk a little bit about what's coming
up on tonight's episode of the podcast, because there's a
lot going on. I've been at End of the Road.
I'm fresh back from a festival. I went to End
(01:38):
of the Road festival, which is one of my favorites.
I'm going to talk a little bit about what I
saw there. There's always some great new music there. You
discover a lot of things there. I also caught up
with Lancam and the Lemon Twigs there. I posed to
Lemon Twigs. You're the readers, sorry, the listeners questions.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
And honestly, can I just say that, dear listeners, Midnight Chats,
you delivered, Thanks for bringing thanks for giving us so
many good questions.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
For the Lemon Twigs, there were so many as well,
like the ones I read out because it was a
pretty we're talking about. To say it was a pretty
quick meeting with the Lemon Twigs, would would just have
you know very much the tip of the iceberg. There
were so many we could have been there for hours.
So thank you to everyone that's sending a question for
Lemon Twigs. If that's you, stay tuned because it may
well be answered by the band. We're going to talk
(02:25):
a bit about the headlines though I've been in a field.
It's been lovely. Sanctuary of a beautiful, very idyllic festival.
Came back late last night. We were trying not to
talk about Oasis this week because we spoke about them
last week, but it's impossible not to because of this
ticket debarkle.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Oh that is a debarkle. It's a good word for it.
I mean, first off, dear, oh dear, oh dear. This
time last week had a whole episode of Midnight Chats
dedicated to talking about all of our stories about Oasis.
I was quite excited. You were like medium excited. So
the shows went on sale this past weekend. What was
it fourteen stadium gigs happening in the summer of twenty
(03:04):
twenty five, and it all went quite wrong, quite quickly,
didn't it Because basically I think there was one point
five million tickets available for these shows, right, but demand
was obviously enormous. Like whilst you were in the sort
of warm cocoon of a music festival watching Julia Jacklin
be brilliant or whatever, the internet was on fire stew.
(03:27):
Everybody I know that was trying to get tickets was
raging because tickets went on sale, people there were enormous cues,
so people were online for hours and hours and hours.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Then when a lot.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Of people did finally sort of get a sniff of
maybe getting through to get a ticket, they were booted
off because they got a message saying that they were
a suspected bot trying to sort of, you know, get
onto the site and sort of farm tickets.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
So people were.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Getting frustrated at that, and then it kind of emerges
that basically for these shows, they're doing this thing called
dynamic pricing, right, which has been around for quite a while,
but I think this is probably the first time that
some people are hearing about this, you know, about dynamic pricing.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
This to me is the whole story. I didn't know
about the bot thing. I I knew that people were
taking a long time to get on. But the thing
that I think is the most disgusting thing in the
world is dynamic ticket pricing. Quickly, just describe what that is.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So here's here's a message that my friend sent me
on Saturday after being in the queue for all nine hours.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Basically, did they not.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Listen to the podcast last week? It is not worthy
of nine hours of your time this reunion, but continue.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
So basically, I mean they don't call it dynamic pricing
on the ticket master website. They called it in demand tickets, right,
So basically, when you logged on you want to try
and buy a stand in ticket to go and see
Oasis at Wembley Stadium next year. The price was one
hundred and fifty pounds, right, so pretty thick edge. That's
a fair amount of money, right, But as the tickets
(05:03):
were getting sold incredibly quickly, they put this thing called
dynamic pricing, which is basically as the as a demand
goes up, also goes the price of that ticket, right,
And so when my friend eventually gets through, it says
you can buy that same ticket, but by the way,
it's now three hundred and fifty eight pounds, which is
(05:23):
just awful.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Isn't it like, is an absolute racket. Everybody listening to this,
I'm sure completely agrees. There's been huge outrage about this
from people who tried to buy the tickets and did
or didn't because they at that point then couldn't afford
a ticket. But also I think just outrage from any
what everyone who's hearing that this is mean, you're right,
this has been going on for years. This happened on
(05:46):
the Beyonce tour. This Taylor Swift's been using dynamic pricing
since twenty eighteen. What I think is so unfair about
this whole thing is it's used by the biggest artists
doing the biggest tours where the demand. They know what
the demand is. This isn't a surprise. It's not like, oh,
I mean, it wouldn't be fair either way. It's a
(06:07):
completely unfair system. Like it's it's it's not okay. But
they knew they were going to sell out all these tickets.
And let's face it, your friend's in a queue for
nine hours. He joined that queue. He wanted that ticket
as much one hour in as nine hours in. He
that's it's not his fault. It's taken them nine hours
to process his you know Q time. Yeah, like exactly
(06:31):
he's been He's being punished for giving away nine hours
of his life to try and buy a ticket for
an artist he clearly adores.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
The ticket should be.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Less like if you, if you, if you're waiting nine hours,
you should be compensated at that point. You should be
given the ticket for nothing if you've qu nine hours
for it. But you certainly shouldn't go up. It's disgusting.
Make like there's just no other term for it. It
makes me so furious.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
A good tell.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
It's a shame, right because like it's kind of has
soured the situation a bit because I imagine that Oasis
did not want the headlines as we record this, right,
the news headlines are on the BBC News website. It
says Oasis dynamic pricing row prompts a government probe. Like
that's not the headline that Oasis wanted. Two days after
(07:22):
those shows going on sale, right, Ticketmaster, who were the
you know that was the website selling that the tickets,
they said it's not you know when when this came
up and it sort of stated on their website says,
we don't we don't decide whether to do the dynamic
pricing thing. That's a decision made by the promoter and
made by the artist, right, So they're saying, not our fault,
it was, you know, Live Nation and Oasis made that decision. Well,
(07:46):
Live Nation and Ticketmaster you are the same company you
merged in twenty ten, so that's like that doesn't well
miss it exactly. And also, yeah, I don't know, I
don't know whether the band will address this. Maybe by
the time Blaite people are here this maybe they've said
something about it.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
But yeah, not cool.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Kind of sad that, you know, this was people's experience
of trying to get that. People knew the demand was
going to be huge. The only reason that things like
the glass you know, I know glaston resells it every year.
But the reason that people are like, okay, fair enough
is because the system seems fair.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Maybe you didn't get a ticket, but you sort of
had a sort of fair shout. The fact that this happened.
I think that sort of deep unfairness to it is
why people have been so aggravated by it.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
What dynamic ticket basically does is it turns that company,
It turns Ticketmaster into a ticket tout like that meant
to be anti touts. It's meant to be about like
giving it to the fans. All they've done is but
is sell a ticket for an inflated price because more
people want it and they knew it was going to
sell out. I feel really sorry for anyone who got
(08:52):
to the end of their queue felt I've been in
this queue for five hours, it's now this I'm going
to have to pay it, because that's the And inevitably
when Oasis put on another five nights at Wembley, what
happens then? Do they like, there will be people who
will go to that, who will go there and they
will get it for the fair price. Yes, here's the
(09:14):
thing about it. When people have spoken about dynamic pricing
in the past a lot of time they say, oh, well,
you know, it's not the artist's fault, because the artists
don't get much of a saying it. Ticketmaster have said today,
it's the promoter and it's the artist. Robert Smith from
The Cure is a bastion of common sense on this
because last year when The Cure played in America, tickets
(09:36):
result free ticket Master. They managed to get refunds for
their fans due to a certain amount of there was.
This was not about dynamic ticket pricing. They stated that
they had opted out of it as an artist. They said,
we're not doing dynamic pricing. There were lots of booking
fees put on top, which they managed to get. They
managed to recoup some of those, but they managed to
(09:58):
tour with the cheapest ticket cross America at thirty dollars.
And that was because Robert Smith wanted people to be
able to afford to go to the show. Yeah, and
he just led from the front on that. Here's what
Robert Smith tweeted about it last year. He made a
separate comment about the fact that artists can't control the
fees that the ticket sites pot on top. That is
(10:20):
something that they can't control. But what he said about
platinum service, which is not dynamic, it's like an extra
bonus ticket that gets you hat something a little bit extra.
He said, I had a separate conversation about platinum to
see if I had misunderstood something, but I hadn't. It
is a greedy scam. All artists have a choice not
to participate. If no artists participated, it would cease to exist.
(10:45):
That was in a conversation about tearing your tickets to
be different, you know, sort of experiences. This is just
like a nuclear version of that of this dynamic thing.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
My final point on this, the bodies that represent the
ticketing agencies have got to stop saying people are used
to this because dynamic pricing is used in the travel
industry on aeroplanes and on trains and things like that. Okay, yeah,
it's fair enough, it's being used in other parts of society.
But when was the last time you tried to book
onto an aeroplane with five million other people? Sorry, but
(11:19):
they're just not comparable for me. I just don't know,
don't see that one. But anyway, Stu, do you want
to take a deep breath. I'm going to take a
deep breath.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yep, there we go.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
In light of Oasis reforming, somebody tweeted you saw this?
Somebody tweeted Johnny Marr and said like, well, why aren't
the Smiths getting back together? And do you see his
response with the he post?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
His response was amazing. It was a picture of Nigel
Farage holding a pint, I think, which is clearly a
comment about Morris's current political views.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yes, Marcy then goes public with a statement and said, well,
actually the Smiths had a genuine reunion offer. Lucrative was
the way he described it on the table to play
shows in twenty twenty five. This is from age who
are the other, the other of the big kind of
promoters out there, And this offer made its way to
(12:12):
Johnny Martt and he ignored it. So basically there could
there is a word like, I guess I thought the
smith thing was just never really going to happen. That
the fact is that like it made it to the
point where Morrissey said yes, and then it got sent
to Johnny Martt and Morrissey says that Johnny Marr ignored it. Good,
I mean good, yeah, good, Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I can't be doing that. I can't be. I can't
have it. I can't have a Smith's reunion happening. It
can't happen in my life because I'm a very big
Smith fan and I still do listen to them.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
I do.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I do struggle to listen to artists when once they're
say some very so things. I very much disagree, with
Morrissey being a prime example of that. Somehow I have
I have still managed to enjoy the Smith's music.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
But I can't. I can't I can't do that.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
And also I think it's interesting, isn't it that Morrissey
said yes without talking to Mark? What like he gets what?
He gets a call saying do you want to do it?
Here's how much money? He goes, Yeah, Yeah, I'll do it. Yeah,
ask Johnny if he's up for it. And you're not
gonna You're not even going to get in a room
and discuss the pros and cons of doing it with
(13:21):
the other the other main person doing it?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
What? What is How is that going to end?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
How is that show or shows or tour going to
be any good? If you can't even pick up the
phone to one another beforehand, so bizarre. It would just
be toxic. Thank you Johnny Mark for posting that picture.
And please don't go back on it. I'm a huge
Smith's fan, but I don't want to ever see it ever.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Listen, Before we move on, we want to get into
talking about your experience at the End of the Road
festival this year and play out some of those interviews
that you managed to do whilst you're down there.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Just a heads up though.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Later this week a couple of episodes if people want
to rewind, we talked about this year's Mercury Prize and
who we thought was going to win and talked about
like the Runners and Riders the Mercury happening later this week. Ste,
So by this time next week when we sat down
catching up, we will know who the winner of this
year's Mercury Prize is. If you want to know who
we think the winner is going to be, then rewind
(14:18):
to those episodes because we talked about it at length
when we did that.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Yeah, we really did.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Okay, let's take some let's play you some really lovely
adverts and then we'll get back with a bit of lancam.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
So, Stu, you are fresh back from end of the
Road festivals. Did you have a good time. Tell us
what it's all about.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I had a lovely time. Always we've been a lot.
I think I might have been for the last eight years.
I was trying to work out how I'm on a
big run with it, so I obviously like it. It's
this is a music festival. That's I don't know if
it's endorse It or Wheelshare I say a different one
each time. I'm gonna go Whilchair.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
This time.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I think it's on the border. It's near Salisbury. It's
in an old Victorian pleasure garden called Lama Tree Garden,
Worth having a having a Google going on going on
the festival's website end of the Road dot com. End
of the Road has become this fixture in independent music,
especially that it's the festival to go to here in
the UK. Obviously you've got Glastonbury, but it's a huge beast.
(15:25):
It's a different thing. This is an intimate around fifteen
thousand people there. I think, lovely small site, very pretty,
half of it set in some woods. The lineup is
always incredible. It started off very much as like folk
and indie rock and Americana. In more recent years I
(15:45):
think it's I think it's got more diverse each year,
which I think is a good thing. They have some
really interesting hip hop on there and more experimental things.
Lancam who we're about to hear I spoke to whilst
I was there, briefly played There was Richard Dawson.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Idols were one of the headliners.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
What was that come on then to get gimme it
was your best?
Speaker 4 (16:05):
It was the best.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
What was the best thing?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I loved? mL book mL book who I recommend. I
think it's a pronounced book that I'm gonna okay, it's
spelled m L space yeah, b U c h okay.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Let's stick a link in the show.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I Will do Ye, a brilliant Danish dream pop artist,
incredible guitarist, had an amazing second album last year called
sun Tub, which I recommend checking out. She was playing
as was a guy called Nourished by Time, a Baltimore
artist who has just signed to EXL released a great
record on a tiny label last year that was in
(16:44):
our Albums of the Year list, So there was a
lot of great stuff going on there. Richard Dawson didn't
quite open the festival on Thursday, but he was one
of the main artists on the big stage. Was incredible
and amazing artists from Newcastle who's inspired by metal, grew
(17:04):
up listening to a lot of metal, but very funny songs,
like a lot of humor in his songs, and Lankham
were incredible. Lancam played on what is everyone's favorite stage
at the festival, the Garden Stage. It's very picturesque. Lan
Can come out never fail to blow you away. Traditional
(17:24):
Irish folk music that's got these added drones. Four piece band.
I'm sure most of our listeners will know them. False
Lancam was an album of the Year last year. We
did a big cover feature of them. Are linked all
that stuff, and I caught up with Dara and Cormack
from the band, and mainly what I talked to them
(17:45):
in this short clip you're about to hear is I'm
trying to tell them about all the other things that
were going on End of the Road, because then the
Road's got all these incredible music I've just mentioned. But
it also has great classes and activities and game and
it's so well curated. There's a good cinema, there's a
great comedy line up with Stuart Lee was on and
(18:08):
I was sounding them out about what they would like
to do between then and going on stage, and could
I convince them to make a hat in the hat
making workshop for example. So this is me talking to
Dara and Cormack, both from Lankham, for about nine minutes
or so. Well, the last eighteen months since False Lancam
(18:32):
came out has been.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Has it been an eighteen month?
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
My god, I think it probably has. Isn't it March
because it was March, wasn't it last year? It feels
like it's been a complete well wind for you. Are
your head still spinning from it? Or have you acclimatized that.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
This is now?
Speaker 6 (18:47):
It finally feels like it's kind of settling a little
bit older, like older Who and everything, and yeah, yeah,
kind of time to start thinking about a new album.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
M M so yeah, so that Who can start again.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, well this is the thing now, because you're going
to have I always like this with bands that when
they you know, they have this moment where they have
this moment of success, whether that's like they're a buzz
band and it's on their w album or whether you
know it's like into that credits, like you, all of
those things will be in place. You know, these festival
sets will be offered to you, you know what I mean,
(19:19):
Like you've done the last the album is so horrendous,
people just want to forget about Well, I think I've
got a theory that you get a free hit on it.
I think because folds Landam has been so successful, the
next one can like can be shipped, well it can
be shipped and you still get, you still get, you
(19:39):
still get the laters and all of that sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
They will, they will remember the last one was shipped.
Maybe they should be lower on the film because the
last one wasn't great.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
So so my advice there, make sure the next one
is not shipped. But if that's the plan, if it is,
yeah exactly, But if it is, you're still gonna You'll
still be okay. It will be the end of your careers.
But after that, after that cycle. I've never been a
music manager, but I feel I missed my calling. There's
(20:19):
been so many high points. What's been the weirdest situation
it's put you in that feels the most abnormal to
You's been.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
So many like watching my Cards over the Bellow.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
Palmer currently presented Springsteen with some award.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Yeah, very surreal.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
It's been twenty paces away from that as well. Records.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Yeah, yeah, we're sitting watching, like watching Parmer currently take
the absolute piss.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Of And in those moments you sat there just taking
it all in, thinking this is this is mental that
we're here?
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Yes, oh yeah, I don't know what else a bit cynegare.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Quite often we'll just be the fucker sitting in the
corner and just been like, what is this ship?
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Well, you know, another couple of albums in and you'll
be thinking, what, you know, why aren't we closer to
the front, Why is that.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Table this far back? Where's that? Where's our butler? It
will change it.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Butler's plural. So you guys, haven't have you been to
this festival before?
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Road? Yeah? We play? When did we play? It's kind
of hard to figure.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
I keep getting mixed up because Lametry have a festival
that yea, So I can't figure it on my head
which one is which now?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
But we definitely have played here before.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Well here, there's lots to do other than the music.
Let me see if I can tempt you have any
of these extracurricular activities. Over the next day or two,
they do this thing here where there's a film crew
that's floating around and if you see them, they will
ask you to film a scene from a famous film
and then they stitch them all together and they showed
the film at the end of the day.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Every day.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
This year they're doing Point Break. Last year, I starred
in Jaws.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Yeah, I would be really on for that if it
was one of like probably three films.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Okay, what three?
Speaker 6 (22:14):
The Last Boys? Yeah, the Wickerman are aliens. Because I'm
kind of now I nearly know all those three films
off my heart. I think I think maybe one year
you've got a chance of aliens. I think it would
be hard for them to film The Wicked Man without
the police being well, well yes.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Predatorreditor would be good, d would be good.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Yeah, it's a lot of there's a lot of one liners.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Point Break is the film this year.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
I mean, I don't know what going into an and
like you know, passionate, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, exactly, that's the bit hard one to what's point breaks?
Speaker 4 (22:52):
And Swayze.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, surfing bank robbers, Yeah yeah, appalling.
It's really bad, but it's also quite hilarious. This one,
I think is a bustman's holiday for you. Early morning
singer classes. Yeah yeah, it's like a singing class for
(23:22):
although all abilities.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
In fairness, we could probably deal with a bit of that. Yeah.
My my wife.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Hasn't come this year, but she always does that. That's
one of her favorite things. She goes and sings with
the In.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
Fairness, there is something amazing about singing with a group
of people that Karmak and Radi in particular are into
sacred harp singer, which is that where there's no words,
it's just you're singing notes, libbing notes.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
No, it's alwa's like they're kind of they're kind of hymns,
kind of plain plain chant. Not sure, but there's like
usually four separate four separate groups of people singing four
separate lines and four hamonies and a shape notes, so
it's more wa easier to read. It's it's unbelievable, Like
I remember I did Cork used to have the kind
(24:10):
of convention. I'm not sure if it's European World Conventions.
So it's I think three hundred people are standing like
and like facing each other, and then you can go
in the center and just get the full blast of
four hammonies and.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
It is like biblical.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah that sounds good, all right, it sounds like you
don't need these singing classes in the morning.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Then hat making, hat making, yeah, like what like I'm
not I'm not sure. I'm not a hat man, not
a hack guy.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
I'm not a hack eye.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
But for making one, make one, yeah, I wouldn't MA
sure if I wear it, but I like there's also ceramics,
painting and jewelry making.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
There's lots of CSS.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Tell you Rady would be mad into jewelry member. She
actually did that for a little well really, yeah, she's
very into it. There's a lot of stuff like that here.
It's good over in the woods. That's where you need
to go for that. And then the other two things
that that are big here and good. But I always struggle.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
To do either of these things because I feel I
should be watching all the bands all the time. But
there's a good cinema here, and there's good comedy here.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
We got in last night, and we're like, we're in
this like little artist campsite with bell tents and there's
like the name of each act just hanging above the
door of each tent and right next to us Stewart Lee.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Really, we got in last night. Now, look is next hour?
Was he is he here?
Speaker 7 (25:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
He's probably he's I think he's on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
Yeah, we might miss no, but I heard he was
at our gig and Latitude A three weeks ago.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
I can't imagine my best gig wasn't your best is? Yeah,
that's the worst.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
One one moment, one moment, one shot, Well, not so good.
I imagine this is one of those things that did
you did you think it was not good?
Speaker 4 (26:04):
As well, but it just happened.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
Sometimes sometimes you just you finished a gig and you're like,
I think I think we could have done better.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yeah, it happens.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Does it typically go when one of you thinks it's ship,
you all do or is the.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
Directors sometimes where we'll all be like that wasn't great.
But then there's quite often times and I think this
happened to be Electric Picnic reason where I afterwards was
like I think that was ship, and the rest of
the lads were like, I think that was one of
the best.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Gigs we ever played. What the fuck? Yeah, yeah, it happens.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
What happens now between now and you're on at nine tonight?
What will happen in the the immediate lead up to that?
How do you guys get ready for this sort of thing?
Speaker 6 (26:48):
It's kind of nice today because there's a lot of
bands that I think the lads are really into going
to see.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Yeah, yeah, l there's what else?
Speaker 9 (26:59):
Is there?
Speaker 5 (27:00):
So much?
Speaker 4 (27:02):
This morning I saw a bank called the Ships.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Oh yeah, I really want to see the wrong rocket,
an't they Yeah?
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I think they might.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
It sounded very rockets like pis Yeah, this thing is
spent the whole spent a lion's share of the show,
calling everyone wankers in the audience, but not in a
not in a vague way either. He was like the
band like chugging on, like doing this doom rock, picking
out specific people, picking out, picking out, like pointing at
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someone and be like not you, you you, and then
they do.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
It something over there. You spent a lot of time
mocking everybody.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Oh my god, it fell out the window. You have
to see this man's T shirt. It's fantastic, the guy
in the white T shirt talking that woman.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
It's a picture. It's a picture of dark.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Hutton and its.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Lovely to hear from Lankham there recording with you stew
at End of the Road Festival. I saw Lancam just
over a week ago as well. It's on to support
Massive Attack in Bristol. They were a doomy delight. Really
enjoyed it. What an amazing band and in that you
were talking about some of the other sort of non
music stuff that happens at the End of the Road festival.
I know that this happens at other festivals as well,
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but one of my favorite things that they do there
is it's like low budget make your own film thing
right where if you've got you and a bunch of mates,
you can go and basically dress up and recreate a
famous film and then you screen it later in the festival.
Me and you made ET a couple of years ago,
didn't we did?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, we were in a city last year. I did Jaws.
I've been in two now. I might find them. They're
on YouTube. I might link them in the show notes.
Will there be a scene with each of us in it?
Because it's called videopia and it's such a great idea.
They just float around the festival and when they see
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some people, I said, you want to be in a
quick scene from ET? And then they give you a
wig and a pair of glasses and they dress you
up as the character. They I tell you what lines
to read, and then they cut it together. At the
end of the day, there's a screening of that day's
abridged version of ET.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
You were wearing you You played Elliott lead, big big role,
very big role.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
That is one of the things that people just love
about this festival is there's all this The music is
in really speaks for itself. Like when you look at
the lineup and then there's just all of these little
homemade things going on, and these projects that you can
get involved with and everyone's up for it and you
can just chuck yourself into it.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
You also spoke to the Lemons Twigs while ast you
there and had the opportunity to put questions to them
from our listeners, and like I said earlier, you guys
really delivered for us. Where did you catch up with
the Lemon Twigs and what was that?
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Like?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I'm out with them in their dressing room, which was
behind the main they were playing the main stage, and
so there's a bit of background noise. There's a lot
of people milling around that band were coming in and
out and charging their phones and whatnot. Because we were
in that dressing room, I put to them the questions
that we got from everybody that they sent us, mainly
on Instagram. If you ever want to get in touch
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with us. By the way, on Instagram, we are Midnight
Chat's pod. We are the same on TikTok. Yeah, we
got so many questions and I put them to Brian
and Mike, all the two brothers who make up the
Lemon Twigs, who, if you don't know, are very much
a quite a retro sounding band to say the least.
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They love the Beach Boys, they love the Beatles, they
love like seventies and sixties soft rock and pop. And
they're having a moment really because they came out a
good easily like ten years ago. They're still young guys,
but they came out when they're very very young. Huge
buzz on them playing more of a glam thing, and
then they had a couple of albums that didn't really
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do well. Their second album was concept album about monkey
that went to school and burned the school down. Yeah,
they're in their own they're doing their own thing, which
I respect, but people didn't really go for it. In
the last year, they've released two albums that have had
rave reviews and they're back on top, signed a new
deal with Capture Tracks and people love them. So they're
getting these huge festival spots deservedly. So people are loving
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the music, very expertly written. I got the feeling that
they hated me.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Well, let's find out. When we come back from this.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
We're going to play one of our new game stew
that we've devised, So let's find out if the Lemon
Twigs hated Stuart and hear from you speaking to them now,
end of the road festival.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Okay, nice, but it feels like things are going well
in the Lemon Twigs camp right now, like very prolific.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Year year and a half.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Say, yeah, you know, two albums in a year, it's
good stuff. Does it feel that way like you just
like failure in a run of writing and making stuff.
Speaker 9 (32:03):
Well, we never felt like we weren't writing a lot.
It was always we always writing. It's just we we're
kind of not great finishers of projects. We kind of
have a lot of projects going at once all the
time and they never finished.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
Yeah, so there's always songs that have been around for
like at least five years, even recordings. This is gonna
be after I released like my solo record, like in
the next few months or something like that. That then
will really have a fresh slate, like we won't have
anything left over that we really need to finish.
Speaker 9 (32:35):
Which always has two left over, but it's just not
maybe not very good or yeah, but we've really been
in this run of like completing completing stuff and that's
why we've been able to do the albums.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
And quickly storing up like a Prince esque vault of material.
So when you unexpectedly die in a horrific incident. Your
state can release it over the next hundred years.
Speaker 9 (33:00):
I wonder, But I bet you a lot of people
have a lot of material, Like lots and lots of
people have a lot of material. They just don't talk
about it. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
We asked our listeners for some questions for you guys.
We've got a lot.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Wow, that's great.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, there was a lot of questions. I've picked out some.
We were never going to get through them all because
we would miss your stage time. But I've picked out
some choice ones sure, which I'm now going to fire
at you. A few people ask this, but let me
I'm going to credit the people that ask them. Okay,
but a few people ask the same question that Jemma
viioh And I apologize, Jemma, I've probably butchered your name there.
(33:38):
But what was meeting Brian Wilson like at his birthday?
Speaker 6 (33:42):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, oh we have really cool I mean, what can
you just explain what this was?
Speaker 7 (33:48):
Well, our really good friend Darien and his wife Debbie,
who have both played with Brian Wilson. Darien has played
with Brian Wilson for years and years and helped him
complete Smile in two thousand and four, and we love
his music too, in the Wonderments, and he, uh, we
just always hang out with him. And he's been wanting
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to get us to meet Brian for a long time
because he's he likes what we do and he knows
how much we love him and stuff. And they were
just getting a birthday celebration together with music and he
asked if we were gonna be in l A and
we weren't, but we were like, is it crazy if
we go and go especially for that, and he said
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we could, and so yeah, we went and it was
just a nice backyard barbecue with them. People were playing
some and.
Speaker 9 (34:39):
Stuff and we did and uh, it was really cool.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Is this Brian Wilson's house? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (34:48):
Yeah, it was just a you know, beautiful thing people.
Speaker 9 (34:51):
Yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
It was cool.
Speaker 9 (34:53):
We we we just you know, we were introduced and hello,
got it and he was really nice.
Speaker 7 (35:02):
We got the same for him, and that was really
really like special.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
This is from Deborah. Don't have a surname Deborah, but
this is from Deborah. Out of all your albums, which
one do you think is aged the best?
Speaker 7 (35:14):
I mean, that would aged, Well, I've always liked our
third album, and that one I feel like the most
far away from you know, because it was like, I guess,
four years ago now or whatever. But the other ones
I don't really revisit that much, so it's kind of
hard to say how they've aged, But that one I
always kind of liked.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
So here's here's another one that a lot of people ask,
favorite Beatles album that's from Carol Lagress.
Speaker 9 (35:42):
I think maybe Rubber Soul or Revolver or Beatles for
Sale or with the Beatles.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
I think Revolver for me because I feel like for
no one has been like consistently my favorite Beatles song.
And Yeah and I'm Only I'm only Sleeping, I think
those might be some of my favorites. Yeah, and and
your Bird can sing those three are Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
I mean it's hard to argue with it as well.
I've really I've more recently got back into the early ones.
With the Beatles, I think is a really underrated one. Oh,
you know, because everyone you know, Revolve gets a lot
of loves is in the Abbey Road obviously. Yeah, and
I do like I'm a big White Album fan myself,
but I've recently gone back to the start, and I
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think those get overlooked now because you know, people often
give the Beatles props for the experimental side and when
they were reinventing the wheel, but some of those early
ones have just got like absolute bulletproof melodies on.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Well, that's how I feel about it too.
Speaker 9 (36:41):
I feel like my my least favor were not not
at least favorite, but the one that I listened to
the least is probably Abbey Road because it's like, uh
kind of have to listen to whole record, and I
don't know, you know, it's like not as many like
this song and this song and this song. It's a
lot of kind of and there are like there's a
lot of studio stuff going on. I don't know as
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much if if, if the songs would be as amazing
as some of the early ones when you just play
them with an acoustic guitar. But I mean there's still
all great song.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Okay, here's a good one.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
What books do the Lemon Twigs like to read.
Speaker 9 (37:21):
I'm reading that Chris Bell book right now, and it's
like a it's just like a rock book. I've read
a lot of rock books, you know.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Okay, so you're non fiction.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
No no.
Speaker 9 (37:33):
I mean, I'll read whatever somebody tells me is really good.
If I can get past the first part of it,
then it'll be cool. But I really, I don't really,
I'm not a connoisseur of the written word, and I
mostly pick up rock books.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
When I see him, Sure about you, Brian, what's your well?
Speaker 1 (37:54):
I always get too AMBI.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
I like poetry books like you know, like Dylan Thomas
and you know, Leonard Cohen. I always go back to
that and things that you know. I can pick them
up and put them down. But I mean, I if
I end up reading a novel, I usually get get
a little too ambitious for my intelligence.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Like I got The Idiot.
Speaker 7 (38:16):
I got five hundred pages through The Idiot, and then
I realize, oh my god, I'm halfway through, and I'm
getting everybody's name. I'm looking it up on spark notes,
you know, to try to remember all these Russian names.
I'm horrible with languages.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
You KNOWK is an interesting one from Fidelma two.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Thousand and one. Not that real name. I imagine. Are
you guys religious?
Speaker 2 (38:37):
You have so many references to God and the Lord
in your lyrics, so I wonder.
Speaker 9 (38:41):
It's got to be got to be. That's gotta be
Brian with the religious stuff, because I really don't even
think about it.
Speaker 7 (38:52):
I know, I couldn't say that I'm religious, but I'm
not spiritually not anti religious, and I think it's a
wonderful thing.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
I don't know. Here's a question for Michael, what's your
favorite Muppet?
Speaker 9 (39:06):
I don't know. I like, uh, the n like Gonzo Animal.
I'm like really not like that's something. It's really cool
that that's Those puppets are great.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Where where's that question?
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Guy're a great guy.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
That's from That's from Zach cas where's that question come from?
Speaker 7 (39:31):
Is that something to cover a song from the Muppets?
Speaker 9 (39:34):
I maybe covered covered with the Rainbow connection went just
because I probably knew it and we used to always
have issues live, so I might have done that once.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
But I did anything. We do anything?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, because because a few people did ask about the Muppets,
and I was thinking if I missed something here.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
No, I mean that I really don't know.
Speaker 9 (39:54):
I maybe I I really don't know. I like, I
don't no, maybe i'd.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
It was your worst muppet.
Speaker 9 (40:02):
H I don't know, They're all cool.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
I don't like Kermit really yeah, yeah, I know he's
the leader.
Speaker 7 (40:08):
You do not like the Beatles either, See now it's
starting to now you say negative things about Kermit his
true interview Uppet else.
Speaker 9 (40:15):
No, the truth is I don't.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
I just don't.
Speaker 9 (40:17):
I'm not quite sure where like a lot of questions
about the Muppets would come from, but it would probably
just be like the Beatles or something where I've probably
mentioned I liked them at some maybe a few times. Maybe.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Jack Francis says, Go to Score is my favorite album
of yours. Will you ever make another musical slash rock opera?
Speaker 7 (40:41):
Probably not, just because we really love the short format
song and it's really fun for us so and it
was sort of a big effort to try to get
that together and it was it didn't end up being like,
I don't know, we don't like thinking about a story,
like we'd rather just think about just the songs.
Speaker 9 (41:02):
Personally, I have too many songs that are just straight
songs that it would.
Speaker 7 (41:08):
Be interesting to work with someone else who had like
an idea for a musical or something like that that
was a little bit more like something that was good.
Speaker 9 (41:16):
And I felt a lot of ambition to do it
because I don't think that my melodies really that I
organically come out with necessarily fit with that kind of thing.
And to be perfectly honest, I don't really go in
for rock musicals at this juncture that much. Even at
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the time it was only a handful that I liked.
He can write a melody that's very musically and musical theater, yeah,
Roger and Amerstein kind of thing like, and that would
sound good if somebody else could write the words for
it or something.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
And one final one is what's the last album each
of you listen to?
Speaker 9 (41:58):
Actual album? I was just listening to the basement tapes
the Venus.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
It's like a.
Speaker 9 (42:09):
I guess they didn't they didn't put out the record.
Speaker 7 (42:13):
Leslie Gore Girl Talk. I was really listening to that
album a whole lot, loving a song. Maybe I know
is like I addicted to that song.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
I love that song.
Speaker 9 (42:23):
It's awesome.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Honestly, I think the listeners should do all the questions
from now on so good. I love the one about
the muppets.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's your Yeah, what's your favorite Muppet?
They looked confused by that. I thought that must be
a thing that that they have pronounced that love for
the Muppets before they looked they were confused.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
By that curveballed by that one.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Yeah, but but some great questions.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Yeah, before we go, stew we are going to debut
a brand new game on this this week's midnight Chat's right.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Excited?
Speaker 4 (42:58):
Yeah, I'm very excited.
Speaker 7 (43:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Yeah, And so basically in light of the fact, you know,
we started this podcast talking about Oasis and the Smiths
and everything else, right, so it's related to that. Earlier today,
I set you a task, right, name three bands who
should never have reformed?
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Okay, the Stone Roses, the Libertines, and the Streets. Oh okay,
Dome Roses is obvious, right, very cynical. They said there
was going to be new music. I think they released
two new songs that were really appalling, and then they
eventually split up. Just leave the legacy, guys. The Libertines
should never have reformed because a band like the Libertines
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should die young, not literally, but as a band. Because
there's nothing romantic about great men playing at picnic festivals,
is there. That's not the Albion dream that they promised us.
And the Streets. I love the Streets, but I felt
it was so neat because it was ten years, five albums,
(43:57):
ten years spanning Mike Skinner's twenties. He got to like
early thirty, it got to thirty and said, I don't
want to be an old guy singing fit, but you
know it, and now he is that. I don't think
any band should reform personally, I think everyone should. I
think my answer also could have just been everyone nobody
should ever reform.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
I think you did a good job there.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Maybe next week you want to hit me with a
top three, or in a future podcast you come at
me with the top three and see what I can
do as well.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
All Right, I think that's probably enough for this week.
Thank you for listening to this week's episode of Midnight Chats.
Hey We've not said this for a while, but if
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
Good evening, I'm Stuart Stubbs. We are a couple of
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Speaker 3 (00:10):
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
The show is called Midnight Chats.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Well, that was a bit of a different start, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Greg.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
We finally decided to make some proper titles for this
podcast over one hundred and forty odd episodes. In the
reason for that new title sequence, which you're going to
be hearing a lot of if you're a regular since
his podcast, is because we got to a point really
where we realized that we hadn't fully explained what Midnight
Chats is, or if we did, it was a very
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long time ago now, and also we really were running
out of ways to introduce ourselves. It was starting to
feel like the one show over here. So if we
just do it in one go like that, we're set now.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, absolutely, Evening stew I'm loving our new snazzy title sequence.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
It sounding good.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I am aware of the fact that we've now spent
fifty eight seconds talking about the sequence, which has this
has all gone a bit partridge now, isn't it negates
saving time. Let's talk a little bit about what's coming
up on tonight's episode of the podcast, because there's a
lot going on. I've been at End of the Road.
I'm fresh back from a festival. I went to End
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of the Road festival, which is one of my favorites.
I'm going to talk a little bit about what I
saw there. There's always some great new music there. You
discover a lot of things there. I also caught up
with Lancam and the Lemon Twigs there. I posed to
Lemon Twigs. You're the readers, sorry, the listeners questions.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
And honestly, can I just say that, dear listeners, Midnight Chats,
you delivered, Thanks for bringing thanks for giving us so
many good questions.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
For the Lemon Twigs, there were so many as well,
like the ones I read out because it was a
pretty we're talking about. To say it was a pretty
quick meeting with the Lemon Twigs, would would just have
you know very much the tip of the iceberg. There
were so many we could have been there for hours.
So thank you to everyone that's sending a question for
Lemon Twigs. If that's you, stay tuned because it may
well be answered by the band. We're going to talk
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a bit about the headlines though I've been in a field.
It's been lovely. Sanctuary of a beautiful, very idyllic festival.
Came back late last night. We were trying not to
talk about Oasis this week because we spoke about them
last week, but it's impossible not to because of this
ticket debarkle.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Oh that is a debarkle. It's a good word for it.
I mean, first off, dear, oh dear, oh dear. This
time last week had a whole episode of Midnight Chats
dedicated to talking about all of our stories about Oasis.
I was quite excited. You were like medium excited. So
the shows went on sale this past weekend. What was
it fourteen stadium gigs happening in the summer of twenty
(03:04):
twenty five, and it all went quite wrong, quite quickly,
didn't it Because basically I think there was one point
five million tickets available for these shows, right, but demand
was obviously enormous. Like whilst you were in the sort
of warm cocoon of a music festival watching Julia Jacklin
be brilliant or whatever, the internet was on fire stew.
(03:27):
Everybody I know that was trying to get tickets was
raging because tickets went on sale, people there were enormous cues,
so people were online for hours and hours and hours.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Then when a lot.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Of people did finally sort of get a sniff of
maybe getting through to get a ticket, they were booted
off because they got a message saying that they were
a suspected bot trying to sort of, you know, get
onto the site and sort of farm tickets.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
So people were.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Getting frustrated at that, and then it kind of emerges
that basically for these shows, they're doing this thing called
dynamic pricing, right, which has been around for quite a while,
but I think this is probably the first time that
some people are hearing about this, you know, about dynamic pricing.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
This to me is the whole story. I didn't know
about the bot thing. I I knew that people were
taking a long time to get on. But the thing
that I think is the most disgusting thing in the
world is dynamic ticket pricing. Quickly, just describe what that is.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So here's here's a message that my friend sent me
on Saturday after being in the queue for all nine hours.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Basically, did they not.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Listen to the podcast last week? It is not worthy
of nine hours of your time this reunion, but continue.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
So basically, I mean they don't call it dynamic pricing
on the ticket master website. They called it in demand tickets, right,
So basically, when you logged on you want to try
and buy a stand in ticket to go and see
Oasis at Wembley Stadium next year. The price was one
hundred and fifty pounds, right, so pretty thick edge. That's
a fair amount of money, right, But as the tickets
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were getting sold incredibly quickly, they put this thing called
dynamic pricing, which is basically as the as a demand
goes up, also goes the price of that ticket, right,
And so when my friend eventually gets through, it says
you can buy that same ticket, but by the way,
it's now three hundred and fifty eight pounds, which is
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just awful.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Isn't it like, is an absolute racket. Everybody listening to this,
I'm sure completely agrees. There's been huge outrage about this
from people who tried to buy the tickets and did
or didn't because they at that point then couldn't afford
a ticket. But also I think just outrage from any
what everyone who's hearing that this is mean, you're right,
this has been going on for years. This happened on
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the Beyonce tour. This Taylor Swift's been using dynamic pricing
since twenty eighteen. What I think is so unfair about
this whole thing is it's used by the biggest artists
doing the biggest tours where the demand. They know what
the demand is. This isn't a surprise. It's not like, oh,
I mean, it wouldn't be fair either way. It's a
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completely unfair system. Like it's it's it's not okay. But
they knew they were going to sell out all these tickets.
And let's face it, your friend's in a queue for
nine hours. He joined that queue. He wanted that ticket
as much one hour in as nine hours in. He
that's it's not his fault. It's taken them nine hours
to process his you know Q time. Yeah, like exactly
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he's been He's being punished for giving away nine hours
of his life to try and buy a ticket for
an artist he clearly adores.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
The ticket should be.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Less like if you, if you, if you're waiting nine hours,
you should be compensated at that point. You should be
given the ticket for nothing if you've qu nine hours
for it. But you certainly shouldn't go up. It's disgusting.
Make like there's just no other term for it. It
makes me so furious.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
A good tell.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
It's a shame, right because like it's kind of has
soured the situation a bit because I imagine that Oasis
did not want the headlines as we record this, right,
the news headlines are on the BBC News website. It
says Oasis dynamic pricing row prompts a government probe. Like
that's not the headline that Oasis wanted. Two days after
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those shows going on sale, right, Ticketmaster, who were the
you know that was the website selling that the tickets,
they said it's not you know when when this came
up and it sort of stated on their website says,
we don't we don't decide whether to do the dynamic
pricing thing. That's a decision made by the promoter and
made by the artist, right, So they're saying, not our fault,
it was, you know, Live Nation and Oasis made that decision. Well,
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Live Nation and Ticketmaster you are the same company you
merged in twenty ten, so that's like that doesn't well
miss it exactly. And also, yeah, I don't know, I
don't know whether the band will address this. Maybe by
the time Blaite people are here this maybe they've said
something about it.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
But yeah, not cool.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Kind of sad that, you know, this was people's experience
of trying to get that. People knew the demand was
going to be huge. The only reason that things like
the glass you know, I know glaston resells it every year.
But the reason that people are like, okay, fair enough
is because the system seems fair.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Maybe you didn't get a ticket, but you sort of
had a sort of fair shout. The fact that this happened.
I think that sort of deep unfairness to it is
why people have been so aggravated by it.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
What dynamic ticket basically does is it turns that company,
It turns Ticketmaster into a ticket tout like that meant
to be anti touts. It's meant to be about like
giving it to the fans. All they've done is but
is sell a ticket for an inflated price because more
people want it and they knew it was going to
sell out. I feel really sorry for anyone who got
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to the end of their queue felt I've been in
this queue for five hours, it's now this I'm going
to have to pay it, because that's the And inevitably
when Oasis put on another five nights at Wembley, what
happens then? Do they like, there will be people who
will go to that, who will go there and they
will get it for the fair price. Yes, here's the
(09:14):
thing about it. When people have spoken about dynamic pricing
in the past a lot of time they say, oh, well,
you know, it's not the artist's fault, because the artists
don't get much of a saying it. Ticketmaster have said today,
it's the promoter and it's the artist. Robert Smith from
The Cure is a bastion of common sense on this
because last year when The Cure played in America, tickets
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result free ticket Master. They managed to get refunds for
their fans due to a certain amount of there was.
This was not about dynamic ticket pricing. They stated that
they had opted out of it as an artist. They said,
we're not doing dynamic pricing. There were lots of booking
fees put on top, which they managed to get. They
managed to recoup some of those, but they managed to
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tour with the cheapest ticket cross America at thirty dollars.
And that was because Robert Smith wanted people to be
able to afford to go to the show. Yeah, and
he just led from the front on that. Here's what
Robert Smith tweeted about it last year. He made a
separate comment about the fact that artists can't control the
fees that the ticket sites pot on top. That is
(10:20):
something that they can't control. But what he said about
platinum service, which is not dynamic, it's like an extra
bonus ticket that gets you hat something a little bit extra.
He said, I had a separate conversation about platinum to
see if I had misunderstood something, but I hadn't. It
is a greedy scam. All artists have a choice not
to participate. If no artists participated, it would cease to exist.
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That was in a conversation about tearing your tickets to
be different, you know, sort of experiences. This is just
like a nuclear version of that of this dynamic thing.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
My final point on this, the bodies that represent the
ticketing agencies have got to stop saying people are used
to this because dynamic pricing is used in the travel
industry on aeroplanes and on trains and things like that. Okay, yeah,
it's fair enough, it's being used in other parts of society.
But when was the last time you tried to book
onto an aeroplane with five million other people? Sorry, but
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they're just not comparable for me. I just don't know,
don't see that one. But anyway, Stu, do you want
to take a deep breath. I'm going to take a
deep breath.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yep, there we go.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
In light of Oasis reforming, somebody tweeted you saw this?
Somebody tweeted Johnny Marr and said like, well, why aren't
the Smiths getting back together? And do you see his
response with the he post?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
His response was amazing. It was a picture of Nigel
Farage holding a pint, I think, which is clearly a
comment about Morris's current political views.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yes, Marcy then goes public with a statement and said, well,
actually the Smiths had a genuine reunion offer. Lucrative was
the way he described it on the table to play
shows in twenty twenty five. This is from age who
are the other, the other of the big kind of
promoters out there, And this offer made its way to
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Johnny Martt and he ignored it. So basically there could
there is a word like, I guess I thought the
smith thing was just never really going to happen. That
the fact is that like it made it to the
point where Morrissey said yes, and then it got sent
to Johnny Martt and Morrissey says that Johnny Marr ignored it. Good,
I mean good, yeah, good, Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I can't be doing that. I can't be. I can't
have it. I can't have a Smith's reunion happening. It
can't happen in my life because I'm a very big
Smith fan and I still do listen to them.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
I do.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I do struggle to listen to artists when once they're
say some very so things. I very much disagree, with
Morrissey being a prime example of that. Somehow I have
I have still managed to enjoy the Smith's music.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
But I can't. I can't I can't do that.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
And also I think it's interesting, isn't it that Morrissey
said yes without talking to Mark? What like he gets what?
He gets a call saying do you want to do it?
Here's how much money? He goes, Yeah, Yeah, I'll do it. Yeah,
ask Johnny if he's up for it. And you're not
gonna You're not even going to get in a room
and discuss the pros and cons of doing it with
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the other the other main person doing it?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
What? What is How is that going to end?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
How is that show or shows or tour going to
be any good? If you can't even pick up the
phone to one another beforehand, so bizarre. It would just
be toxic. Thank you Johnny Mark for posting that picture.
And please don't go back on it. I'm a huge
Smith's fan, but I don't want to ever see it ever.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Listen, Before we move on, we want to get into
talking about your experience at the End of the Road
festival this year and play out some of those interviews
that you managed to do whilst you're down there.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Just a heads up though.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Later this week a couple of episodes if people want
to rewind, we talked about this year's Mercury Prize and
who we thought was going to win and talked about
like the Runners and Riders the Mercury happening later this week. Ste,
So by this time next week when we sat down
catching up, we will know who the winner of this
year's Mercury Prize is. If you want to know who
we think the winner is going to be, then rewind
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to those episodes because we talked about it at length
when we did that.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Yeah, we really did.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Okay, let's take some let's play you some really lovely
adverts and then we'll get back with a bit of lancam.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
So, Stu, you are fresh back from end of the
Road festivals. Did you have a good time. Tell us
what it's all about.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I had a lovely time. Always we've been a lot.
I think I might have been for the last eight years.
I was trying to work out how I'm on a
big run with it, so I obviously like it. It's
this is a music festival. That's I don't know if
it's endorse It or Wheelshare I say a different one
each time. I'm gonna go Whilchair.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
This time.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I think it's on the border. It's near Salisbury. It's
in an old Victorian pleasure garden called Lama Tree Garden,
Worth having a having a Google going on going on
the festival's website end of the Road dot com. End
of the Road has become this fixture in independent music,
especially that it's the festival to go to here in
the UK. Obviously you've got Glastonbury, but it's a huge beast.
(15:25):
It's a different thing. This is an intimate around fifteen
thousand people there. I think, lovely small site, very pretty,
half of it set in some woods. The lineup is
always incredible. It started off very much as like folk
and indie rock and Americana. In more recent years I
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think it's I think it's got more diverse each year,
which I think is a good thing. They have some
really interesting hip hop on there and more experimental things.
Lancam who we're about to hear I spoke to whilst
I was there, briefly played There was Richard Dawson.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Idols were one of the headliners.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
What was that come on then to get gimme it
was your best?
Speaker 4 (16:05):
It was the best.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
What was the best thing?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I loved? mL book mL book who I recommend. I
think it's a pronounced book that I'm gonna okay, it's
spelled m L space yeah, b U c h okay.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Let's stick a link in the show.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I Will do Ye, a brilliant Danish dream pop artist,
incredible guitarist, had an amazing second album last year called
sun Tub, which I recommend checking out. She was playing
as was a guy called Nourished by Time, a Baltimore
artist who has just signed to EXL released a great
record on a tiny label last year that was in
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our Albums of the Year list, So there was a
lot of great stuff going on there. Richard Dawson didn't
quite open the festival on Thursday, but he was one
of the main artists on the big stage. Was incredible
and amazing artists from Newcastle who's inspired by metal, grew
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up listening to a lot of metal, but very funny songs,
like a lot of humor in his songs, and Lankham
were incredible. Lancam played on what is everyone's favorite stage
at the festival, the Garden Stage. It's very picturesque. Lan
Can come out never fail to blow you away. Traditional
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Irish folk music that's got these added drones. Four piece band.
I'm sure most of our listeners will know them. False
Lancam was an album of the Year last year. We
did a big cover feature of them. Are linked all
that stuff, and I caught up with Dara and Cormack
from the band, and mainly what I talked to them
(17:45):
in this short clip you're about to hear is I'm
trying to tell them about all the other things that
were going on End of the Road, because then the
Road's got all these incredible music I've just mentioned. But
it also has great classes and activities and game and
it's so well curated. There's a good cinema, there's a
great comedy line up with Stuart Lee was on and
(18:08):
I was sounding them out about what they would like
to do between then and going on stage, and could
I convince them to make a hat in the hat
making workshop for example. So this is me talking to
Dara and Cormack, both from Lankham, for about nine minutes
or so. Well, the last eighteen months since False Lancam
(18:32):
came out has been.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Has it been an eighteen month?
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
My god, I think it probably has. Isn't it March
because it was March, wasn't it last year? It feels
like it's been a complete well wind for you. Are
your head still spinning from it? Or have you acclimatized that.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
This is now?
Speaker 6 (18:47):
It finally feels like it's kind of settling a little
bit older, like older Who and everything, and yeah, yeah,
kind of time to start thinking about a new album.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
M M so yeah, so that Who can start again.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, well this is the thing now, because you're going
to have I always like this with bands that when
they you know, they have this moment where they have
this moment of success, whether that's like they're a buzz
band and it's on their w album or whether you
know it's like into that credits, like you, all of
those things will be in place. You know, these festival
sets will be offered to you, you know what I mean,
(19:19):
Like you've done the last the album is so horrendous,
people just want to forget about Well, I think I've
got a theory that you get a free hit on it.
I think because folds Landam has been so successful, the
next one can like can be shipped, well it can
be shipped and you still get, you still get, you
(19:39):
still get the laters and all of that sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
They will, they will remember the last one was shipped.
Maybe they should be lower on the film because the
last one wasn't great.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
So so my advice there, make sure the next one
is not shipped. But if that's the plan, if it is,
yeah exactly, But if it is, you're still gonna You'll
still be okay. It will be the end of your careers.
But after that, after that cycle. I've never been a
music manager, but I feel I missed my calling. There's
(20:19):
been so many high points. What's been the weirdest situation
it's put you in that feels the most abnormal to
You's been.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
So many like watching my Cards over the Bellow.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
Palmer currently presented Springsteen with some award.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Yeah, very surreal.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
It's been twenty paces away from that as well. Records.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Yeah, yeah, we're sitting watching, like watching Parmer currently take
the absolute piss.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Of And in those moments you sat there just taking
it all in, thinking this is this is mental that
we're here?
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Yes, oh yeah, I don't know what else a bit cynegare.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Quite often we'll just be the fucker sitting in the
corner and just been like, what is this ship?
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Well, you know, another couple of albums in and you'll
be thinking, what, you know, why aren't we closer to
the front, Why is that.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Table this far back? Where's that? Where's our butler? It
will change it.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Butler's plural. So you guys, haven't have you been to
this festival before?
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Road? Yeah? We play? When did we play? It's kind
of hard to figure.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
I keep getting mixed up because Lametry have a festival
that yea, So I can't figure it on my head
which one is which now?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
But we definitely have played here before.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Well here, there's lots to do other than the music.
Let me see if I can tempt you have any
of these extracurricular activities. Over the next day or two,
they do this thing here where there's a film crew
that's floating around and if you see them, they will
ask you to film a scene from a famous film
and then they stitch them all together and they showed
the film at the end of the day.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Every day.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
This year they're doing Point Break. Last year, I starred
in Jaws.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Yeah, I would be really on for that if it
was one of like probably three films.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Okay, what three?
Speaker 6 (22:14):
The Last Boys? Yeah, the Wickerman are aliens. Because I'm
kind of now I nearly know all those three films
off my heart. I think I think maybe one year
you've got a chance of aliens. I think it would
be hard for them to film The Wicked Man without
the police being well, well yes.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Predatorreditor would be good, d would be good.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Yeah, it's a lot of there's a lot of one liners.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Point Break is the film this year.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
I mean, I don't know what going into an and
like you know, passionate, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, exactly, that's the bit hard one to what's point breaks?
Speaker 4 (22:52):
And Swayze.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, surfing bank robbers, Yeah yeah, appalling.
It's really bad, but it's also quite hilarious. This one,
I think is a bustman's holiday for you. Early morning
singer classes. Yeah yeah, it's like a singing class for
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although all abilities.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
In fairness, we could probably deal with a bit of that. Yeah.
My my wife.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Hasn't come this year, but she always does that. That's
one of her favorite things. She goes and sings with
the In.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
Fairness, there is something amazing about singing with a group
of people that Karmak and Radi in particular are into
sacred harp singer, which is that where there's no words,
it's just you're singing notes, libbing notes.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
No, it's alwa's like they're kind of they're kind of hymns,
kind of plain plain chant. Not sure, but there's like
usually four separate four separate groups of people singing four
separate lines and four hamonies and a shape notes, so
it's more wa easier to read. It's it's unbelievable, Like
I remember I did Cork used to have the kind
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of convention. I'm not sure if it's European World Conventions.
So it's I think three hundred people are standing like
and like facing each other, and then you can go
in the center and just get the full blast of
four hammonies and.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
It is like biblical.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah that sounds good, all right, it sounds like you
don't need these singing classes in the morning.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Then hat making, hat making, yeah, like what like I'm
not I'm not sure. I'm not a hat man, not
a hack guy.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
I'm not a hack eye.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
But for making one, make one, yeah, I wouldn't MA
sure if I wear it, but I like there's also ceramics,
painting and jewelry making.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
There's lots of CSS.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Tell you Rady would be mad into jewelry member. She
actually did that for a little well really, yeah, she's
very into it. There's a lot of stuff like that here.
It's good over in the woods. That's where you need
to go for that. And then the other two things
that that are big here and good. But I always struggle.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
To do either of these things because I feel I
should be watching all the bands all the time. But
there's a good cinema here, and there's good comedy here.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
We got in last night, and we're like, we're in
this like little artist campsite with bell tents and there's
like the name of each act just hanging above the
door of each tent and right next to us Stewart Lee.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Really, we got in last night. Now, look is next hour?
Was he is he here?
Speaker 7 (25:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
He's probably he's I think he's on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
Yeah, we might miss no, but I heard he was
at our gig and Latitude A three weeks ago.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
I can't imagine my best gig wasn't your best is? Yeah,
that's the worst.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
One one moment, one moment, one shot, Well, not so good.
I imagine this is one of those things that did
you did you think it was not good?
Speaker 4 (26:04):
As well, but it just happened.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
Sometimes sometimes you just you finished a gig and you're like,
I think I think we could have done better.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yeah, it happens.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Does it typically go when one of you thinks it's ship,
you all do or is the.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
Directors sometimes where we'll all be like that wasn't great.
But then there's quite often times and I think this
happened to be Electric Picnic reason where I afterwards was
like I think that was ship, and the rest of
the lads were like, I think that was one of
the best.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Gigs we ever played. What the fuck? Yeah, yeah, it happens.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
What happens now between now and you're on at nine tonight?
What will happen in the the immediate lead up to that?
How do you guys get ready for this sort of thing?
Speaker 6 (26:48):
It's kind of nice today because there's a lot of
bands that I think the lads are really into going
to see.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Yeah, yeah, l there's what else?
Speaker 9 (26:59):
Is there?
Speaker 5 (27:00):
So much?
Speaker 4 (27:02):
This morning I saw a bank called the Ships.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Oh yeah, I really want to see the wrong rocket,
an't they Yeah?
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I think they might.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
It sounded very rockets like pis Yeah, this thing is
spent the whole spent a lion's share of the show,
calling everyone wankers in the audience, but not in a
not in a vague way either. He was like the
band like chugging on, like doing this doom rock, picking
out specific people, picking out, picking out, like pointing at
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someone and be like not you, you you, and then
they do.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
It something over there. You spent a lot of time
mocking everybody.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Oh my god, it fell out the window. You have
to see this man's T shirt. It's fantastic, the guy
in the white T shirt talking that woman.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
It's a picture. It's a picture of dark.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Hutton and its.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Lovely to hear from Lankham there recording with you stew
at End of the Road Festival. I saw Lancam just
over a week ago as well. It's on to support
Massive Attack in Bristol. They were a doomy delight. Really
enjoyed it. What an amazing band and in that you
were talking about some of the other sort of non
music stuff that happens at the End of the Road festival.
I know that this happens at other festivals as well,
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but one of my favorite things that they do there
is it's like low budget make your own film thing
right where if you've got you and a bunch of mates,
you can go and basically dress up and recreate a
famous film and then you screen it later in the festival.
Me and you made ET a couple of years ago,
didn't we did?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, we were in a city last year. I did Jaws.
I've been in two now. I might find them. They're
on YouTube. I might link them in the show notes.
Will there be a scene with each of us in it?
Because it's called videopia and it's such a great idea.
They just float around the festival and when they see
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some people, I said, you want to be in a
quick scene from ET? And then they give you a
wig and a pair of glasses and they dress you
up as the character. They I tell you what lines
to read, and then they cut it together. At the
end of the day, there's a screening of that day's
abridged version of ET.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
You were wearing you You played Elliott lead, big big role,
very big role.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
That is one of the things that people just love
about this festival is there's all this The music is
in really speaks for itself. Like when you look at
the lineup and then there's just all of these little
homemade things going on, and these projects that you can
get involved with and everyone's up for it and you
can just chuck yourself into it.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
You also spoke to the Lemons Twigs while ast you
there and had the opportunity to put questions to them
from our listeners, and like I said earlier, you guys
really delivered for us. Where did you catch up with
the Lemon Twigs and what was that?
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Like?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I'm out with them in their dressing room, which was
behind the main they were playing the main stage, and
so there's a bit of background noise. There's a lot
of people milling around that band were coming in and
out and charging their phones and whatnot. Because we were
in that dressing room, I put to them the questions
that we got from everybody that they sent us, mainly
on Instagram. If you ever want to get in touch
(30:14):
with us. By the way, on Instagram, we are Midnight
Chat's pod. We are the same on TikTok. Yeah, we
got so many questions and I put them to Brian
and Mike, all the two brothers who make up the
Lemon Twigs, who, if you don't know, are very much
a quite a retro sounding band to say the least.
(30:36):
They love the Beach Boys, they love the Beatles, they
love like seventies and sixties soft rock and pop. And
they're having a moment really because they came out a
good easily like ten years ago. They're still young guys,
but they came out when they're very very young. Huge
buzz on them playing more of a glam thing, and
then they had a couple of albums that didn't really
(30:58):
do well. Their second album was concept album about monkey
that went to school and burned the school down. Yeah,
they're in their own they're doing their own thing, which
I respect, but people didn't really go for it. In
the last year, they've released two albums that have had
rave reviews and they're back on top, signed a new
deal with Capture Tracks and people love them. So they're
getting these huge festival spots deservedly. So people are loving
(31:21):
the music, very expertly written. I got the feeling that
they hated me.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Well, let's find out. When we come back from this.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
We're going to play one of our new game stew
that we've devised, So let's find out if the Lemon
Twigs hated Stuart and hear from you speaking to them now,
end of the road festival.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Okay, nice, but it feels like things are going well
in the Lemon Twigs camp right now, like very prolific.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Year year and a half.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Say, yeah, you know, two albums in a year, it's
good stuff. Does it feel that way like you just
like failure in a run of writing and making stuff.
Speaker 9 (32:03):
Well, we never felt like we weren't writing a lot.
It was always we always writing. It's just we we're
kind of not great finishers of projects. We kind of
have a lot of projects going at once all the
time and they never finished.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
Yeah, so there's always songs that have been around for
like at least five years, even recordings. This is gonna
be after I released like my solo record, like in
the next few months or something like that. That then
will really have a fresh slate, like we won't have
anything left over that we really need to finish.
Speaker 9 (32:35):
Which always has two left over, but it's just not
maybe not very good or yeah, but we've really been
in this run of like completing completing stuff and that's
why we've been able to do the albums.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
And quickly storing up like a Prince esque vault of material.
So when you unexpectedly die in a horrific incident. Your
state can release it over the next hundred years.
Speaker 9 (33:00):
I wonder, But I bet you a lot of people
have a lot of material, Like lots and lots of
people have a lot of material. They just don't talk
about it. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
We asked our listeners for some questions for you guys.
We've got a lot.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Wow, that's great.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, there was a lot of questions. I've picked out some.
We were never going to get through them all because
we would miss your stage time. But I've picked out
some choice ones sure, which I'm now going to fire
at you. A few people ask this, but let me
I'm going to credit the people that ask them. Okay,
but a few people ask the same question that Jemma
viioh And I apologize, Jemma, I've probably butchered your name there.
(33:38):
But what was meeting Brian Wilson like at his birthday?
Speaker 6 (33:42):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, oh we have really cool I mean, what can
you just explain what this was?
Speaker 7 (33:48):
Well, our really good friend Darien and his wife Debbie,
who have both played with Brian Wilson. Darien has played
with Brian Wilson for years and years and helped him
complete Smile in two thousand and four, and we love
his music too, in the Wonderments, and he, uh, we
just always hang out with him. And he's been wanting
(34:09):
to get us to meet Brian for a long time
because he's he likes what we do and he knows
how much we love him and stuff. And they were
just getting a birthday celebration together with music and he
asked if we were gonna be in l A and
we weren't, but we were like, is it crazy if
we go and go especially for that, and he said
(34:32):
we could, and so yeah, we went and it was
just a nice backyard barbecue with them. People were playing
some and.
Speaker 9 (34:39):
Stuff and we did and uh, it was really cool.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Is this Brian Wilson's house? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (34:48):
Yeah, it was just a you know, beautiful thing people.
Speaker 9 (34:51):
Yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
It was cool.
Speaker 9 (34:53):
We we we just you know, we were introduced and hello,
got it and he was really nice.
Speaker 7 (35:02):
We got the same for him, and that was really
really like special.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
This is from Deborah. Don't have a surname Deborah, but
this is from Deborah. Out of all your albums, which
one do you think is aged the best?
Speaker 7 (35:14):
I mean, that would aged, Well, I've always liked our
third album, and that one I feel like the most
far away from you know, because it was like, I guess,
four years ago now or whatever. But the other ones
I don't really revisit that much, so it's kind of
hard to say how they've aged, But that one I
always kind of liked.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
So here's here's another one that a lot of people ask,
favorite Beatles album that's from Carol Lagress.
Speaker 9 (35:42):
I think maybe Rubber Soul or Revolver or Beatles for
Sale or with the Beatles.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
I think Revolver for me because I feel like for
no one has been like consistently my favorite Beatles song.
And Yeah and I'm Only I'm only Sleeping, I think
those might be some of my favorites. Yeah, and and
your Bird can sing those three are Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
I mean it's hard to argue with it as well.
I've really I've more recently got back into the early ones.
With the Beatles, I think is a really underrated one. Oh,
you know, because everyone you know, Revolve gets a lot
of loves is in the Abbey Road obviously. Yeah, and
I do like I'm a big White Album fan myself,
but I've recently gone back to the start, and I
(36:28):
think those get overlooked now because you know, people often
give the Beatles props for the experimental side and when
they were reinventing the wheel, but some of those early
ones have just got like absolute bulletproof melodies on.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Well, that's how I feel about it too.
Speaker 9 (36:41):
I feel like my my least favor were not not
at least favorite, but the one that I listened to
the least is probably Abbey Road because it's like, uh
kind of have to listen to whole record, and I
don't know, you know, it's like not as many like
this song and this song and this song. It's a
lot of kind of and there are like there's a
lot of studio stuff going on. I don't know as
(37:03):
much if if, if the songs would be as amazing
as some of the early ones when you just play
them with an acoustic guitar. But I mean there's still
all great song.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Okay, here's a good one.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
What books do the Lemon Twigs like to read.
Speaker 9 (37:21):
I'm reading that Chris Bell book right now, and it's
like a it's just like a rock book. I've read
a lot of rock books, you know.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Okay, so you're non fiction.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
No no.
Speaker 9 (37:33):
I mean, I'll read whatever somebody tells me is really good.
If I can get past the first part of it,
then it'll be cool. But I really, I don't really,
I'm not a connoisseur of the written word, and I
mostly pick up rock books.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
When I see him, Sure about you, Brian, what's your well?
Speaker 1 (37:54):
I always get too AMBI.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
I like poetry books like you know, like Dylan Thomas
and you know, Leonard Cohen. I always go back to
that and things that you know. I can pick them
up and put them down. But I mean, I if
I end up reading a novel, I usually get get
a little too ambitious for my intelligence.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Like I got The Idiot.
Speaker 7 (38:16):
I got five hundred pages through The Idiot, and then
I realize, oh my god, I'm halfway through, and I'm
getting everybody's name. I'm looking it up on spark notes,
you know, to try to remember all these Russian names.
I'm horrible with languages.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
You KNOWK is an interesting one from Fidelma two.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Thousand and one. Not that real name. I imagine. Are
you guys religious?
Speaker 2 (38:37):
You have so many references to God and the Lord
in your lyrics, so I wonder.
Speaker 9 (38:41):
It's got to be got to be. That's gotta be
Brian with the religious stuff, because I really don't even
think about it.
Speaker 7 (38:52):
I know, I couldn't say that I'm religious, but I'm
not spiritually not anti religious, and I think it's a
wonderful thing.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
I don't know. Here's a question for Michael, what's your
favorite Muppet?
Speaker 9 (39:06):
I don't know. I like, uh, the n like Gonzo Animal.
I'm like really not like that's something. It's really cool
that that's Those puppets are great.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Where where's that question?
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Guy're a great guy.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
That's from That's from Zach cas where's that question come from?
Speaker 7 (39:31):
Is that something to cover a song from the Muppets?
Speaker 9 (39:34):
I maybe covered covered with the Rainbow connection went just
because I probably knew it and we used to always
have issues live, so I might have done that once.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
But I did anything. We do anything?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, because because a few people did ask about the Muppets,
and I was thinking if I missed something here.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
No, I mean that I really don't know.
Speaker 9 (39:54):
I maybe I I really don't know. I like, I
don't no, maybe i'd.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
It was your worst muppet.
Speaker 9 (40:02):
H I don't know, They're all cool.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
I don't like Kermit really yeah, yeah, I know he's
the leader.
Speaker 7 (40:08):
You do not like the Beatles either, See now it's
starting to now you say negative things about Kermit his
true interview Uppet else.
Speaker 9 (40:15):
No, the truth is I don't.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
I just don't.
Speaker 9 (40:17):
I'm not quite sure where like a lot of questions
about the Muppets would come from, but it would probably
just be like the Beatles or something where I've probably
mentioned I liked them at some maybe a few times. Maybe.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Jack Francis says, Go to Score is my favorite album
of yours. Will you ever make another musical slash rock opera?
Speaker 7 (40:41):
Probably not, just because we really love the short format
song and it's really fun for us so and it
was sort of a big effort to try to get
that together and it was it didn't end up being like,
I don't know, we don't like thinking about a story,
like we'd rather just think about just the songs.
Speaker 9 (41:02):
Personally, I have too many songs that are just straight
songs that it would.
Speaker 7 (41:08):
Be interesting to work with someone else who had like
an idea for a musical or something like that that
was a little bit more like something that was good.
Speaker 9 (41:16):
And I felt a lot of ambition to do it
because I don't think that my melodies really that I
organically come out with necessarily fit with that kind of thing.
And to be perfectly honest, I don't really go in
for rock musicals at this juncture that much. Even at
(41:37):
the time it was only a handful that I liked.
He can write a melody that's very musically and musical theater, yeah,
Roger and Amerstein kind of thing like, and that would
sound good if somebody else could write the words for
it or something.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
And one final one is what's the last album each
of you listen to?
Speaker 9 (41:58):
Actual album? I was just listening to the basement tapes
the Venus.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
It's like a.
Speaker 9 (42:09):
I guess they didn't they didn't put out the record.
Speaker 7 (42:13):
Leslie Gore Girl Talk. I was really listening to that
album a whole lot, loving a song. Maybe I know
is like I addicted to that song.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
I love that song.
Speaker 9 (42:23):
It's awesome.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Honestly, I think the listeners should do all the questions
from now on so good. I love the one about
the muppets.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's your Yeah, what's your favorite Muppet?
They looked confused by that. I thought that must be
a thing that that they have pronounced that love for
the Muppets before they looked they were confused.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
By that curveballed by that one.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Yeah, but but some great questions.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Yeah, before we go, stew we are going to debut
a brand new game on this this week's midnight Chat's right.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Excited?
Speaker 4 (42:58):
Yeah, I'm very excited.
Speaker 7 (43:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Yeah, And so basically in light of the fact, you know,
we started this podcast talking about Oasis and the Smiths
and everything else, right, so it's related to that. Earlier today,
I set you a task, right, name three bands who
should never have reformed?
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Okay, the Stone Roses, the Libertines, and the Streets. Oh okay,
Dome Roses is obvious, right, very cynical. They said there
was going to be new music. I think they released
two new songs that were really appalling, and then they
eventually split up. Just leave the legacy, guys. The Libertines
should never have reformed because a band like the Libertines
(43:36):
should die young, not literally, but as a band. Because
there's nothing romantic about great men playing at picnic festivals,
is there. That's not the Albion dream that they promised us.
And the Streets. I love the Streets, but I felt
it was so neat because it was ten years, five albums,
(43:57):
ten years spanning Mike Skinner's twenties. He got to like
early thirty, it got to thirty and said, I don't
want to be an old guy singing fit, but you
know it, and now he is that. I don't think
any band should reform personally, I think everyone should. I
think my answer also could have just been everyone nobody
should ever reform.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
I think you did a good job there.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Maybe next week you want to hit me with a
top three, or in a future podcast you come at
me with the top three and see what I can
do as well.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
All Right, I think that's probably enough for this week.
Thank you for listening to this week's episode of Midnight Chats.
Hey We've not said this for a while, but if
you have enjoyed this show, please do tell a friend,
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(44:48):
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Speaker 1 (45:15):
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Speaker 2 (45:16):
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