The summer slump is over and what feels like hundreds of artists are gearing up for new albums this autumn. On this week's episode, Greg and Stu get into what coming soon from The Cure, FKA Twigs, Coldplay and more, along with the recent implosion of rock giants Jane's Addiction, while a meeting with Laura Marling last week opened up the question of are music fans starting to lose their love for vinyl?
We also introduce a new regular feature where each week we'll recommend some new artist, which will be added to the playlist below. And yeah, we're sticking with our Top 3 challenge too. This week, it involves Stu's house being on fire.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Good evening. I'm Greg Cochran, Good evening.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm Stuart Stubbs. We are a couple of journalists who've
been working in independent music since the days of my Space.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
One night a week, we become your guides through the
week in music, because, let's face it, the algorithms have
stop working for most of us.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So we're here to share the best new underground music
and the news that you might have missed, as well
as discussing the week's biggest headlines and bringing you interviews
with some of our favorite alternative artists.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The show is called Midnight Chats.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
You look well.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Do I well?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I've got a bit of color in my face. The
new glasses are working. Have you had any compliments on
the new glasses?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
No compliments, Lots of people go on new glasses and
or it's just worried there. Yeah, no judgment right coming
up on tonight's podcast, Welcome to Midnight Chats. We are
good evening to you, Stu. By the way, you look
well as well, No, I don't. We are going to
We're going to breeze through some major headlines in what
(01:04):
has been a particularly surreal week in the world of music.
I think Stu. You went to go and meet Laura
Marlin last week and she said something. She had a
hot take that we were particularly interested in. So we're
going to get into that because we're going to be
talking about music collections like what do you have at home?
Do your CD collection, vinyl collection? We want to talk
a bit about that and get into that. And also,
after the outrageous success of Top Three's the last couple
(01:27):
of weeks, I'm going to come at you with a
Top three and test you out on something later in
the podcast, and.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
We're going to leave you with some recommendations, something completely
new on the part we.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Want to be useful.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
We want to be useful, and let's start off with
these headlines. It's been a weird week. I mean, some
of these things I'm about to read out sound like lies.
I are sure there are lies in this podcast, but
these aren't them. So in the last week, John bon
Jovias saved a woman's life by talking her down from
a bridge in Nashville. I believe the father of one
(02:00):
of Mumford and sons bought the Spectator magazine for one
hundred pounds. The White Stripes are suing Donald Trump because
he's been using seven Nation Army on his campaign trail.
Sabrina Carpenter kissed an alien at the VMA's and in
the last couple of days, Jane's addiction have imploded. When
(02:22):
they had a fight on stage on Friday. Last Friday,
Friday thirteenth, unlucky day for them. For sure, they had
a fight. They canceled a show the next night on
Sunday night, it looked like Dave Navarro, the guitarist of
the band, had left. And then today we're recording this
on a Monday. The band have just put out a
(02:42):
statement to say that they are canceling the rest of
the tour and they're taking a break as.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
A band now.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
As for the fight, apparently it was because the noise
was too loud of the bandy and this has been
building over over some nights. The only reason any of
us know this is because Perry Farrell, the singer of
the band, his wife has told the story on her
Instagram account, explaining what happened. She was quiet, not really
(03:12):
defending pe was She wasn't picking aside, she was just
she was quite fair. What did you make of the
actual the actual location. Yes, so for people that haven't
seen it. Perry Farrell walks over to guitarist Dave Navarro
mid song, I think, and like.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
A sort of scuff. It goes to sort of like
shoulder barge him and then almost like goes to throw
a punch, and then like security and I think the
band member kind of weighed in. The house lights go down.
You're kind of viewing this of like phone footage of
the back of people's heads as well as the stage,
and then you can't really see so much about what's
going on with it's clearly like a scuffle taking place
on stage, and I presume that was the end of
(03:54):
the gig. I don't know if there was any explanation
after that. The scuffle itself is very much just a skuff. Yeah,
some of the some of the headlines are Dave Navarro
punched by Perry Farrell. Yeah, that did not happen. It's
embarrassing because, as I say, these are sixty five year
old man who should not be fighting on stage.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Whatever's gone on, come on.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I was quite shocked because if somebody actually landed a
punch on Perry Farrell.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
You know, he might die. Like it's shatter. I think
it's shocked her watching let's call them senior gentlemen have this.
This physical altercation is quite shocking. If it wasn't happening
on stage, if it was happening in the mid l
(04:41):
Ala Audi, you would be quite shocked. Yeah, but it's
it's the whole thing was quite pathetic until I noticed.
I watched it back after seeing Perry Farrell's wife write her.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Take her live block on.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It, and she was saying that the winner of the
fight was Eric Avery.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Hands up. By the way, I know nothing about Jane's addiction.
I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I don't think I've knowingly heard a song of Jane's addiction.
I just know that they're a huge American rock band,
Eric Avery. It turns out it's the bassist, and she
says Eric Avery won the fight because whilst Perry was
being held back and calmed down by security or a
sound tech, Eric Avery ran over opportunistically started punching Perry
(05:27):
in the stomach.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
This is like the stuff of play groups, isn't it.
If Perry was saying, I need more, I need to
be able to hear myself on stage, surely there's a
band meeting where that can be resolved. That doesn't end
up in them fighting. To be honest, that Jane's addiction
thing reminded me of when you and I DJ, and
quite often things do get a little bit heated with
that little bit of pushing, little bit of shoving.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You want to play helicopter, I want to play another
block party song.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I can't think.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Things get a little bit a little bit tasty.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
All joking aside, And I know we've been quite flippant
about this, because there is something inherently silly and stupid
about old rock stars pushing each other around on stage.
That statement that the band have put out to say
that they're done and they're not going to be finishing
the tour and they're taking a break, that has come
from three members of the band, but not Perry Farrell,
(06:23):
and they have cited in that statement that the reason
that they're having a break is due to patterns of
behavior and the mental health difficulties of singer Perry Farrell.
Perry Farrell at this point in time we record this podcast,
but twenty four hours before you hear it, so by
the time this is out, this whole thing might have
changed again, and we might know a bit more about it.
(06:45):
Perry Farrell might have about his own statement, he hasn't
said anything yet. That's what the band are currently saying.
And as I say, as much as we're having a
bit of fun with it here, we don't want to
belittle any real hard choruses that are at the heart
of this problem. Maybe we'll update next week if if
(07:06):
there's more news on it, but that's that's where it
currently is at the moment now.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Stud listen in Less Violent News. There has been a
lot of big albums have been announced for release over
the next few months. We're officially into something that music
industry nerds like to code Q four. What is Q
four and Q four? Have you ever had a nice
Q four before?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I hate the term Q four so much or Q one,
Q two, Q three, Q four quarter? I think that
comes from business world, yes, marketing people. So Q four
is when the last three months of the year, right,
it must be the last three months of the year.
This is the area when so many people have taken
(07:50):
off the summer and they now are releasing their albums.
So many albums come out in September, October, November. It's crazy.
Is that that's true?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Though?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Right?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Because I kind of assume that maybe that age had
gone where now because everything's streamed like Q four, that
it's used to be a big deal because people wanting
to get their like CDs into the shops ahead of Christmas.
But now it's still it's still the case that basically September, October,
November is just like three lanes of traffic of albums
(08:21):
new music coming.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, yeah, I think that it's still the case. I
know that from having making a monthly music magazine. It's
a nightmare because we still, you know, would make magazines
throughout the whole of the summer, but no one would
be releasing anything. And I think the thinking behind it
is everyone's on holiday, people playing festivals. You ever put
your record out at the beginning of the year ready
(08:44):
for the festival run so you can be promoting that
in your festival run and playing those songs then, or
you wait until after the summer you hit that Christmas bump.
A lot have been announced recently over this last week.
There's so many coming up. I mean, the Cure announced
it spectacularly last week. This isn't completely concrete, but they
(09:05):
announced it by sending a postcard an embossed postcard to
their fan base that just said the name of what
is their long awaited new album called Songs of a
Lost World, which has been spoken about for years. Let's
I'm long awaited. Yeah, I mean yeah, I haven't been
an I haven't had an album in sixteen years. Fans
(09:26):
get a postcard. It says that on it and as
a bunch of Roman numerals, and when the brainia of
the Cure fans worked out what those numerals were, it's
the date of the first of November twenty twenty four,
so you have to presume that it's coming out. Then
finally you excited about that?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, I am.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Actually I do love the Cure at Robert Smith's great,
isn't he Just the way that they operate, you know.
You could say that's a bit of a luddyite way
to do things, sending your fan base like postcards, but
I think it's quite fun. It's just nice and they
have a connection with their fan base that's very tactile
(10:05):
and I like that. So I'm looking forward to that.
But here's one for your Fka Twigs. She announced her
new album. Could you just tell it Remind me of
the name of it, please, Greg.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I knew you're going to serve me that one deliberately,
You scoundrel, you sexier, you sexual, Stuart Sexual, You Sexuary?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Is you sexual? I'm well done forgetting that right. I've
had to write it out phonetically. I think having listened
to her say it. You Sexual is her new album,
but it's not coming out actually coming to q Q
one okay of twenty twenty five on twenty four of Jan.
But she's announced it this week with that title track
You sex You Are you sexual? Is a completely made
(10:51):
up word? Did you know that?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
No?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, it's a completely she's made the word up. And
I watched a little video of her when she announced
the track last week, and this is direct quote. You
sexual is a moment of pure human experience. It's a
moment of clarity. Then she pointed the interviewer to this
lyric if they ask you feel it, but don't call
(11:16):
it love you sexure, it sounds like it could be
a fragrance.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
It does you sexual by FKA Twigs. I'm very excited
for You Sexual because Magdalen was. I loved that album
twenty nineteen class five years ago. Now, I didn't really
realize it was that long ago. What an incredible album
(11:43):
that was a loud and quiet album of the year.
No less, wasn't it too?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
It was?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, if your listener is thinking hang on, wants you sexual?
And what is more importantly, what's fka Twigs? I guess
the best way to describe it like an experimental electronic
and R and BR artist has all sorts of twisted
electronics in her music, but she's got this most incredible voice.
It's almost operatic. And the new track that she's put out,
(12:10):
which is called You sexu Are, We're put a link
in the show notes to the video. The video is incredible.
She's so good at visuals. Yeah, and she always works
with like on a different level of resources.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Would you remember the live show around Magdalene where we
I think we watched it together, where she was she's
like an incredibly talented pole artist and she spent most
of the set hanging upside down singing those songs. Yeah,
and it was incredible.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I don't know much.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
About opera, but it's like she's singing arias really and
the new song it's got these sort of twisted electronics
in it, and then it turns quite operatic and then
it ends in a trance song. So there's a lot
going on. She's always interesting. But you're right that Magdalene record.
Have you ever tried singing upside down?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Okay, I'm glad to hear it. Other big albums comeing
out between now and Christmas. The Weekend played a massive
show in Brazil last week to sort of basically announce
the fact that there's going to be a new album,
Hurry Up Tomorrow. No release date on that yet, but
that is an appalling title, by the way, hurry Up Tomorrow.
(13:21):
It sounds like an Oasis album, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
That's so naugh Like.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
We've just had to sexual which is a completely made
up word about human experience, and he's come up with
hurry Up Tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yeah, no, it does.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
It sounds like a Stereophonics album.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, I mean this. And Coldplay have got a new
album coming out on October the four. It is called
Moon Music. The last time we talked about Coldplay on
this podcast was when we were reviewing Glastonbury. You were
there watching them and they were playing new music for
this album and this. There is a version of this
where this might be Coldplay's last album, because they've said
that they Chris Mind said we will stop writing music
(13:59):
as a band twenty five and from then on we
might do some touring and carry on playing some these songs,
but we're not going to write any more music together.
So that doesn't necessarily mean this is the last album.
There might be something else to come next year. But
he's always kind of said like, once we've done that,
we're gonna like tap out.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
He said that in twenty twenty one, did originally in
an interview with Joe Wiley on the BBC. I wonder
if he if he regrets that, because once you go
on you know, once you go on record saying that,
I mean to be honest, you can't just say yeh,
I've changed my mind. But I like it as an
idea and not because I don't want to hear any
more colplay music, although there is truth in that, But
(14:38):
I just like the I like the idea of a
band that huge being completely honest and saying we are
going to be a greatest hits band, because that's what
most of them are, and they've just not announced it.
They've not just said, look, we can't be bothered to
write any more music, or we feel like we've written
all the music we need to write, So we're just
going to too the hits because that's what people want
(14:58):
to hear. He's just calling that out, isn't he essentially,
which is quite an honest thing to do. And there
probably are enough Coldplay records in the world. I mean,
I've heard some of Moon Music and.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I think, yeah, let's leave it.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
There's let's leave it.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
At Moon Music. Still do an incredible live show. Yeah,
still going to sell tickets. People are still that's still
going to headline less Andy every other year.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah. Speaking of Coldplay live shows and good move they
as we record this, they've basically teased some stadium UK
stadium shows for next summer twenty twenty five, and I
just like the way they've done this. So they have
wanted to find ways to support the grass roots music
scene live music scene in the UK for a while.
(15:44):
They've spoken on stage previously when they played huge gigs
in the summer this year in Cardiff and Manchester in
places like that, crediting the local venues where they started out. Anyway,
it suggested that ten percent of all the proceeds from
these stadium shows next year will go to the Music
Venue Trust to then support grass music venues essentially reading
(16:04):
designed between the lines. That's because Coldplay feel that it's
very important to support those spaces so that artists can
have a platform the size of theirs in three, four, five,
ten years time. So honorable thing to do, absolutely, but
I quite like the way they did it. They put
a poster up in the Dublin Castle in Camden in London,
which is one of the first venues they played for
(16:26):
their original for their first gig there, and then like
somebody's handwritten on it the dates of the shows the
next summer, saying and all ten percent of the proceeds
is going to go to independent venues to support upcoming talent,
which is just quite It's a very endearing, a very
warm and very cold Play thing to do, but fair
Play is actually going to end up with money in
the pockets of independent venues that we desperately need.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Tell me a record that is coming out in Q
four which you're excited about, but isn't one of these
huge ones because the ones we've just mentioned, they're the
big headline ones that everybody's you know, yeahs about.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
So I love Caribou. The Canadian artist Dan Snaith. Lots
of people know Caribou and their music. Cariboo of a
new album called Honey. It's out at the beginning of October,
and from what I've heard, I think there is like
three or four track shed on streaming services.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
It's a bit of a gear shift for Caribou, which
you know, he's kind of been in this sort of
more melodic, kind of ambient sort of part of the
songwriting and he does the last few albums and this
one's just a bit more pumped up, a bit more energetic.
Played three nights at its local venue in London last
week to like two hundred people a night, which is
(17:39):
that is a small Cariboo show. I saw some people
posting videos online saying it was insanely hot in there.
What about you, what are you excited about between now Christmas?
There's so many but the new Kelly le Owens album,
dream State is coming out on a brand new label
called The h two and that's October eighty. I think
(18:01):
loved all of her albums, sort of a mix between
ambient techno and dream pop really from Wales, and also
I've been listening to It's not out until October twenty fifth.
But I've listening to the debut album by Kim Deal
from Pixies and Breeders, which.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Called Nobody Loves You More. And I put that on
thinking it's probably going to be okay.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
But it's really good. It's really good.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
There's so many It was engineered by Steve at the
late Steve Albini, one of the last records he worked on.
I presume members of Savages are on it, brit from Slint,
everything on it. You know, it's grungey indie rock, but
it's done very well. We'll put some links onto what's
out on those in the show notes as well.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
In a moment, stud we are going to hear from
Laura and Marlin because you went to go and meet
her last week and she said something that got us
thinking about our record collections. So we're going to hear
from her in just a moment after these adverts.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Welcome back to episode one for nine of Midnight Chats.
So last week I went to Laura Marling's house. He's
been on the podcast years and years ago, seven years ago,
but we met up again to record an interview for
a future episode of the show that will probably be
a couple of weeks away. Yeah, But within our conversation,
(19:21):
which is about so many varied things, she said this
to me, got.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
A collective records. I recently got rid of all my records?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
So did you?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:30):
How come?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Because I lost faith in it as a concept. So
she said that, right, and that got me thinking, have
we reached the peak of people loving vinyl again? Are
people going to start selling their vinyl collections as they
did their CD collections? And how do people now feel
(19:52):
about the fact that they had sold their CD collections
in the first place. I think people are thinking about
this a lot more of do I still want my records?
Record prices are going up, Lots of people have gotten
rid of their CDs, but I've not really heard of
that many people have got rid of their vinyl record collections. Greg,
(20:13):
We've got two different experiences in this. Because I got
rid of all of my CDs. Yeah, when did you
do it?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Maybe seven years ago?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
And why did you do it? Was it because you
were just like this, I've never played them, or like
music's digital now you dead?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
To me?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I did it because I felt like I had loads
of them, loads I weren't listening to. But they didn't
look they weren't aesthetically pleasing on the shelf. They were
taking up lots of room because in these horrible CD racks.
And I bought a turntable. This is where I went wrong.
I bought a really nice turntable and some nice speakers,
(20:52):
and I had my vinyl records. And this was at
a time when everyone was getting back into vinyl in
a big way, and I was like, oh, yeah, maybe
I'll just use those. And I do have streaming, so
any of these CDs I want to listen to, I'll
just listen to on streaming and it will all take
up less room, it will look nicer. But I regret it.
(21:13):
Anyone listening who hasn't sold their CDs, don't if my
opinion is, don't do that. Why Because I'm now a
bit like Laura there. I'm I'm not done with records,
but I am going off the romance of it.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
It is really bad for the environment.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Acutely aware of that now, so I do think twice
about buying records. They are very expensive now, Like you know,
a brand new record is upwards of thirty quid usually
these days. And what I think I actually wanted was
just a better sound system. It all came together like
(21:55):
I was using this these new these records on this
new turntable and these new speakers in this new amp.
But if I just bought a nice CD player with
all of that other stuff, it would have sounded probably.
I hate to say this, Vinyl fans better than the
Vinyl records.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
You've got people turning off the podcast right now.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I know this is this is sacrige and I just
want to just caveat all of this by saying I
love records.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I love my record collection.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I still listen to them, of course, but I think
I got caught up in this wave of people being like,
sell your CD CDs are ugly, They're useless, Like they're
not there's they're not they have no sentimental value. And
I think what I really should have done was just
do a cull.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I should have.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Gone through all of the crap ones, the second Embrace album,
that should have gone the first Embrace album. You know,
I should have just got rid of lots of them,
but I should have kept some of them. You've still
got yours. But where are they are They just in
a loft somewhere.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
They're in my mum's garage. So but every time I
go to be like, oh, yeah, yeah, they're just they're
gathering dust. But every time I go towards them, you
know when you just open the drawer and you're like,
oh man, I just like, oh, that's brilliant. I've got
the Live according to the Family Values tour from nineteen
ninety eight, where Corn played an amazing set. Man just
(23:18):
like and I just start talking about it, and then
I was like, I'm not going to sell these That
my sort of thing. That's always what happens. There must
be something that's like compelling me to keep them right.
It's not this sense, it's just the memories of it.
As you mentioned, like the Environmental Impact Final. Yeah, in
its current format, it's not good for the environment. It's
derived from fossil fuels, and we need we all want
(23:40):
fewer of those in our lives. But there are, you know,
new things emerging in that area that mean it's still
exciting and vinyl sound great, so hopefully there'll be more
of that. CDs also not very great, not very good
for the environment because they've made a bunch of different
like compounds, so they're very difficult to recycle. So you know,
They're both not ideal, but it's interest. Did you get
(24:01):
the impression that, like Laura Marlin wanted to keep those
CDs because she loves that format more, or they take
up less space or something or what were there any
elements of that that figured Well, I.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Don't want to give too much away from the interview,
but she she gets part of the reason is she's
had a daughter last year.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
He's currently eighteen months old.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I'm part of it where she was like, I want
my daughter to be able to play the music I own,
and she can. I don't mind her picking up as
a ratty CD that I've bought in oxfam and getting
her fingerprints all over it because she can do that
and press the buttons and play the music and vinyls,
you know, not as easily done, so that that was
one of her reasons. But she's she's obviously, as she
(24:40):
says at the end of that clip there, she's fallen
out of like the idea of it, I guess the
ideology of it. But that made me think, like, we
put this up on our Instagram and took a pole
to see if our listeners had anything to say on it,
which we will get to very shortly, but I did
a little bit of research into the numbers of this, thinking,
(25:01):
is this the way things are going? Are people going
to actually start selling that vinyl collections that they've spent
so much money on. Are people going to just be like, actually,
I'm going to go back to CDs or I'm just
going to get rid of everything and we're just going
to do digital And the numbers show that Laura Marlin
is very much in the minority. CDs this year have
(25:25):
increased in sales for the first time in twenty years,
So there is a bit of a bump in CDs.
People are buying CDs again, I think a lot of those.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, but that's ed Sheeron in ASDA, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I presume.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
So, yeah, so CDs have had a little bit of
a bump. You're right, a lot of it's probably ed
sharing CDs.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
But vinyl.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I thought the vinyl thing, the vinyl boom was waning
and over, but last year it was up another eleven
point seven percent, and vinyl sales again, A lot of
these probably are Tata Swift records records that aren't There's
an astonishing number of records that get sold and never played.
Get on long on walls, or people just buy them
in shops to you know, for show. Almost but people
(26:09):
are still buying lots of records. Laura Marlin is in
the minority. I was a bit surprised by that. I
thought maybe we're swinging back that way, but we're not.
We did put this question to our listeners on our
Instagram page, which is Midnight Chat's pod if you want
to get involved, that's where we do most of our
polls and feedback for this show. And the question that
(26:30):
I asked there was have you ever got rid of
all your old CDs? And do you regret it? Thank
you to all the responses. Good Intentions Paving Company said
I would never appalling decision. Absolutely appalled by that. Apologies,
it's a purist saving company. Jake says, I sold off
(26:50):
a fair amount, but have no regrets. That's what most
people said. Most people either sold them and don't care,
or they've not sold them. This sounds like you. Greg
Ry Kitchen says, I've still got them, can't quite bear
to part with them, although I have absolutely no use
for them. Maybe that in his mum's garage. Thank you
(27:13):
for everyone that sent them in the big takeaway from
it for me was I'm the only one who regrets
regrets it. So what I said earlier about don't do it,
maybe maybe you'll be fine. Maybe you'll be fine if
you sell your CDs, But maybe maybe just think about
getting a better stereo. Maybe that's actually what you really need.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Coming up on the final part of tonight's episode of
Midnight Chats, after the on Fire set the Internet on
Fire success of our top three last week, stew I'm
gonna I'm gonna hit you with the top three. I
was going to set you a challenge. Okay for listeners listen, I.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Was going to just.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
By the way that was just met with a completely
blank face there. I was hoping there might be a
bit more surprising in your facial features. I'm going to
set you a challenge, and we're also going to leave
everyone listening with some recommendations of music that you should
check out. So back after this, before we go then
to you, like we've obviously talked about the massive headlines
(28:15):
in music, this week got into that very meaty debate
about owning the music that you want to own as well.
But before we got to go, I'm going to set
you a Top three and this is where we challenge
each other with a music question and put you on
the spot to find out what you're thinking. So this
week's top three is, Yeah, Stu, your house is on fire. Yes,
(28:39):
your house is on fire right now. What are the
top three pieces of physical music that you own that
you're going to save before you get out of the
house and the whole place burns down.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
God, I'm going to take with me. Oh, I'm going
to take Moon Safari by Air. Oh my god, I'm
going to.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Take Okay, it's a sex.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I wasn't expecting the album and I still listen to
it a lot. Yeah, I'm going to take I've got
to take a Beatles album. I'm going to take which one?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Come on, I've got a press.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
I'm going to take the white album because there's a
lot of it. And I'm going to take Oh my god,
I need something fun.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Because Sick on Fire is quite upsetting.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I'm going to take the most recent Kendrick Lamar album,
Mister Morrel Fantastic.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
So I want people to imagine now, Stuart Stubbs stood
outside of his house is a busy streak. He's wearing
some slippers and some pajama bottoms and nothing else. And
he's holding three records. They are the Beatles, White Album, Moon,
Safari by Air and no Recindron my record. You got out,
you got out alive, and you got out with the
(30:05):
three most treasured pieces of your music collection. Well done
and congratulations, thanks you Would you help that man? No,
we want to hear your top threes though, Like what
which which three albums or pieces of music from your collection?
Would you say? From a burning building? We are at
Midnight Chats pod on your socials, Stu, before we get
(30:27):
some recommendations and we leave listeners for the night. Got
a challenge for you, okay, a bit of podcast homework.
Next week is a special birthday for Midnight Chats. It
is one hundred and fifty episodes. We've done one hundred
and fifty episodes of this podcast. That's a hell of
a lot. But we want to I think we should
mark the occasion, right, So I think we should each
(30:49):
bring something to next week's podcast, right. I'm going to
leave it completely ambiguous like that.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
We'll just bring something. What that represents to share with
the listeners. It sounds like what we're offering our listeners
there is the chance to experience you sex you are
here on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, I think it does sound like we're offering that opportunity.
We also want to be really useful to you on
this podcast, and so what we've decided to do is
to leave you with a recommendation each week we've we've
called it beat the Algorithm, right because basically, as you
heard in our title sequence, algorithms kind of not not
(31:28):
really doing the business, is it. It's not serving us
all with like amazing, varietous new music suggestions. It's just
kind of a lot of the time giving us the
same or nothing at all. So we thought we call
this beat the Algorithm. Ste and I each week leave
you with the recommendations something's go and check out. There's
just come from our brain. You might think it's great,
you might think it's rubbish, but at least it's coming
(31:49):
from a human brain, which is quite nice, I think. So, Stu,
is there something you want to share with listeners before
we go tonight that you've been enjoying.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah, I'm going to share a record that came out
last year actually, and I discovered it at the of
twenty twenty three and wanged on about it a little
bit in loud and quiet, but I you.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Know what it's like.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Almost two years over like passed since then, and I've
re listened to it at the weekend because I found
a cassette tape talking about you know, physical formats. I
bought it on cassette tape. This is an artist called
Rosie Carr. I'll put a link in the show notes
to her band camp. It's probably the best place to
listen to this album she's made called You Yew and
(32:29):
she's like an ambient artist who is also a gardener,
and she uses found sounds from her gardening and it's
quite a fascinating collection of soundscapes that she's made. There's
some improvised harp and violin over the top of her music.
The album is called You. You can listen to it
on band camp. You can also buy these little, really
(32:51):
nice tapes that she's made. I'm not sure if that's
sold out now, but I re listened to that literally
to yesterday, and I remind myself, Yeah, everyone should know
about this.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
My recommendation is an album by night. It's called Nila
than Yanya, who some people this podcast might have heard before.
She's just released her third album, it's called My Method Actor.
It's out on Ninja Tune Records. And I love Nila
Tha Yana. I remember getting to meet her and speak
to around the release of her debut album, Miss Universe,
that was released like five years ago now, and that
(33:48):
debut album I think was pretty ambitious. It was full
of amazing tunes, but she had so many ideas. I
don't know if you remember Stu like she it was
like a sort of narrated element to that. That album
as well, that's sort of had this underlying concept about it,
kind of coming from a medical institution, and it was
all kind of framed in this quite experiments. I'm not
(34:10):
sure it all totally landed way, but there was just
some amazing songs on there. And she followed that up
with an album called Painless, and now she comes with
My Method Actor and I love this. It feels like
three albums in her songwriting has just got stronger and
stronger and stronger. I think this is her best album yet,
so I recommend people go and check it out. And
(34:31):
it's got some radiohead vibes on there that I think
some people might really appreciate.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Keep him with Downs Week, Just shake growth, long live.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Problems, costume, lovely stuff. What we're going to do is
we're also going to make a playlist, which we will
put in the show notes. Beyond Spotify, apologize to anyone
who doesn't use Spotify uses a different streaming service, we
can probably only do one, so we've just had to
pick the one that most people use, and there's a
(35:12):
free version of it, so essentially everyone can listen to
it if they want to, there'd be a link there.
We're gonna we'll add a track or two from Lilithiana
and Rosie Carr this week. We're put because we want
there to be more than just two songs on there.
We might put a few extra ones on as if
we've been doing this a bit longer. And then each week,
at the end of each episode, we're going to do
(35:34):
a little beat the algorithm. We're going to give you
our recommendation that week, and we will add some new
music to that playlist, so that's in the show notes.
Give it a follow each week it will be topped
up with something new. I think, Greg, we're done, aren't we.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
That's enough.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
It's time for me to go and sell my CD collection.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
It is.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
We'll see you next week on the podcast good to
See stud good.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Night, Everybody, good Night.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
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and Atomized Studios for iHeartRadio. It's hosted by Stuart Stubbs
and Greg Cochran, mixed and mastered by Flow Lines, and
edited by Stuart Stubbs. Find us on Instagram and TikTok
to watch clips from our recordings at much much more.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
We are Midnight Chats pod.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
For more information, visit loudan Quiet dot com
Good evening. I'm Greg Cochran, Good evening.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm Stuart Stubbs. We are a couple of journalists who've
been working in independent music since the days of my Space.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
One night a week, we become your guides through the
week in music, because, let's face it, the algorithms have
stop working for most of us.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So we're here to share the best new underground music
and the news that you might have missed, as well
as discussing the week's biggest headlines and bringing you interviews
with some of our favorite alternative artists.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The show is called Midnight Chats.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
You look well.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Do I well?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I've got a bit of color in my face. The
new glasses are working. Have you had any compliments on
the new glasses?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
No compliments, Lots of people go on new glasses and
or it's just worried there. Yeah, no judgment right coming
up on tonight's podcast, Welcome to Midnight Chats. We are
good evening to you, Stu. By the way, you look
well as well, No, I don't. We are going to
We're going to breeze through some major headlines in what
(01:04):
has been a particularly surreal week in the world of music.
I think Stu. You went to go and meet Laura
Marlin last week and she said something. She had a
hot take that we were particularly interested in. So we're
going to get into that because we're going to be
talking about music collections like what do you have at home?
Do your CD collection, vinyl collection? We want to talk
a bit about that and get into that. And also,
after the outrageous success of Top Three's the last couple
(01:27):
of weeks, I'm going to come at you with a
Top three and test you out on something later in
the podcast, and.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
We're going to leave you with some recommendations, something completely
new on the part we.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Want to be useful.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
We want to be useful, and let's start off with
these headlines. It's been a weird week. I mean, some
of these things I'm about to read out sound like lies.
I are sure there are lies in this podcast, but
these aren't them. So in the last week, John bon
Jovias saved a woman's life by talking her down from
a bridge in Nashville. I believe the father of one
(02:00):
of Mumford and sons bought the Spectator magazine for one
hundred pounds. The White Stripes are suing Donald Trump because
he's been using seven Nation Army on his campaign trail.
Sabrina Carpenter kissed an alien at the VMA's and in
the last couple of days, Jane's addiction have imploded. When
(02:22):
they had a fight on stage on Friday. Last Friday,
Friday thirteenth, unlucky day for them. For sure, they had
a fight. They canceled a show the next night on
Sunday night, it looked like Dave Navarro, the guitarist of
the band, had left. And then today we're recording this
on a Monday. The band have just put out a
(02:42):
statement to say that they are canceling the rest of
the tour and they're taking a break as.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
A band now.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
As for the fight, apparently it was because the noise
was too loud of the bandy and this has been
building over over some nights. The only reason any of
us know this is because Perry Farrell, the singer of
the band, his wife has told the story on her
Instagram account, explaining what happened. She was quiet, not really
(03:12):
defending pe was She wasn't picking aside, she was just
she was quite fair. What did you make of the
actual the actual location. Yes, so for people that haven't
seen it. Perry Farrell walks over to guitarist Dave Navarro
mid song, I think, and like.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
A sort of scuff. It goes to sort of like
shoulder barge him and then almost like goes to throw
a punch, and then like security and I think the
band member kind of weighed in. The house lights go down.
You're kind of viewing this of like phone footage of
the back of people's heads as well as the stage,
and then you can't really see so much about what's
going on with it's clearly like a scuffle taking place
on stage, and I presume that was the end of
(03:54):
the gig. I don't know if there was any explanation
after that. The scuffle itself is very much just a skuff. Yeah,
some of the some of the headlines are Dave Navarro
punched by Perry Farrell. Yeah, that did not happen. It's
embarrassing because, as I say, these are sixty five year
old man who should not be fighting on stage.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Whatever's gone on, come on.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I was quite shocked because if somebody actually landed a
punch on Perry Farrell.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
You know, he might die. Like it's shatter. I think
it's shocked her watching let's call them senior gentlemen have this.
This physical altercation is quite shocking. If it wasn't happening
on stage, if it was happening in the mid l
(04:41):
Ala Audi, you would be quite shocked. Yeah, but it's
it's the whole thing was quite pathetic until I noticed.
I watched it back after seeing Perry Farrell's wife write her.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Take her live block on.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It, and she was saying that the winner of the
fight was Eric Avery.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Hands up. By the way, I know nothing about Jane's addiction.
I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I don't think I've knowingly heard a song of Jane's addiction.
I just know that they're a huge American rock band,
Eric Avery. It turns out it's the bassist, and she
says Eric Avery won the fight because whilst Perry was
being held back and calmed down by security or a
sound tech, Eric Avery ran over opportunistically started punching Perry
(05:27):
in the stomach.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
This is like the stuff of play groups, isn't it.
If Perry was saying, I need more, I need to
be able to hear myself on stage, surely there's a
band meeting where that can be resolved. That doesn't end
up in them fighting. To be honest, that Jane's addiction
thing reminded me of when you and I DJ, and
quite often things do get a little bit heated with
that little bit of pushing, little bit of shoving.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You want to play helicopter, I want to play another
block party song.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I can't think.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Things get a little bit a little bit tasty.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
All joking aside, And I know we've been quite flippant
about this, because there is something inherently silly and stupid
about old rock stars pushing each other around on stage.
That statement that the band have put out to say
that they're done and they're not going to be finishing
the tour and they're taking a break, that has come
from three members of the band, but not Perry Farrell,
(06:23):
and they have cited in that statement that the reason
that they're having a break is due to patterns of
behavior and the mental health difficulties of singer Perry Farrell.
Perry Farrell at this point in time we record this podcast,
but twenty four hours before you hear it, so by
the time this is out, this whole thing might have
changed again, and we might know a bit more about it.
(06:45):
Perry Farrell might have about his own statement, he hasn't
said anything yet. That's what the band are currently saying.
And as I say, as much as we're having a
bit of fun with it here, we don't want to
belittle any real hard choruses that are at the heart
of this problem. Maybe we'll update next week if if
(07:06):
there's more news on it, but that's that's where it
currently is at the moment now.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Stud listen in Less Violent News. There has been a
lot of big albums have been announced for release over
the next few months. We're officially into something that music
industry nerds like to code Q four. What is Q
four and Q four? Have you ever had a nice
Q four before?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I hate the term Q four so much or Q one,
Q two, Q three, Q four quarter? I think that
comes from business world, yes, marketing people. So Q four
is when the last three months of the year, right,
it must be the last three months of the year.
This is the area when so many people have taken
(07:50):
off the summer and they now are releasing their albums.
So many albums come out in September, October, November. It's crazy.
Is that that's true?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Though?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Right?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Because I kind of assume that maybe that age had
gone where now because everything's streamed like Q four, that
it's used to be a big deal because people wanting
to get their like CDs into the shops ahead of Christmas.
But now it's still it's still the case that basically September, October,
November is just like three lanes of traffic of albums
(08:21):
new music coming.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, yeah, I think that it's still the case. I
know that from having making a monthly music magazine. It's
a nightmare because we still, you know, would make magazines
throughout the whole of the summer, but no one would
be releasing anything. And I think the thinking behind it
is everyone's on holiday, people playing festivals. You ever put
your record out at the beginning of the year ready
(08:44):
for the festival run so you can be promoting that
in your festival run and playing those songs then, or
you wait until after the summer you hit that Christmas bump.
A lot have been announced recently over this last week.
There's so many coming up. I mean, the Cure announced
it spectacularly last week. This isn't completely concrete, but they
(09:05):
announced it by sending a postcard an embossed postcard to
their fan base that just said the name of what
is their long awaited new album called Songs of a
Lost World, which has been spoken about for years. Let's
I'm long awaited. Yeah, I mean yeah, I haven't been
an I haven't had an album in sixteen years. Fans
(09:26):
get a postcard. It says that on it and as
a bunch of Roman numerals, and when the brainia of
the Cure fans worked out what those numerals were, it's
the date of the first of November twenty twenty four,
so you have to presume that it's coming out. Then
finally you excited about that?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, I am.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Actually I do love the Cure at Robert Smith's great,
isn't he Just the way that they operate, you know.
You could say that's a bit of a luddyite way
to do things, sending your fan base like postcards, but
I think it's quite fun. It's just nice and they
have a connection with their fan base that's very tactile
(10:05):
and I like that. So I'm looking forward to that.
But here's one for your Fka Twigs. She announced her
new album. Could you just tell it Remind me of
the name of it, please, Greg.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I knew you're going to serve me that one deliberately,
You scoundrel, you sexier, you sexual, Stuart Sexual, You Sexuary?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Is you sexual? I'm well done forgetting that right. I've
had to write it out phonetically. I think having listened
to her say it. You Sexual is her new album,
but it's not coming out actually coming to q Q
one okay of twenty twenty five on twenty four of Jan.
But she's announced it this week with that title track
You sex You Are you sexual? Is a completely made
(10:51):
up word? Did you know that?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
No?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, it's a completely she's made the word up. And
I watched a little video of her when she announced
the track last week, and this is direct quote. You
sexual is a moment of pure human experience. It's a
moment of clarity. Then she pointed the interviewer to this
lyric if they ask you feel it, but don't call
(11:16):
it love you sexure, it sounds like it could be
a fragrance.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
It does you sexual by FKA Twigs. I'm very excited
for You Sexual because Magdalen was. I loved that album
twenty nineteen class five years ago. Now, I didn't really
realize it was that long ago. What an incredible album
(11:43):
that was a loud and quiet album of the year.
No less, wasn't it too?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
It was?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, if your listener is thinking hang on, wants you sexual?
And what is more importantly, what's fka Twigs? I guess
the best way to describe it like an experimental electronic
and R and BR artist has all sorts of twisted
electronics in her music, but she's got this most incredible voice.
It's almost operatic. And the new track that she's put out,
(12:10):
which is called You sexu Are, We're put a link
in the show notes to the video. The video is incredible.
She's so good at visuals. Yeah, and she always works
with like on a different level of resources.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Would you remember the live show around Magdalene where we
I think we watched it together, where she was she's
like an incredibly talented pole artist and she spent most
of the set hanging upside down singing those songs. Yeah,
and it was incredible.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I don't know much.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
About opera, but it's like she's singing arias really and
the new song it's got these sort of twisted electronics
in it, and then it turns quite operatic and then
it ends in a trance song. So there's a lot
going on. She's always interesting. But you're right that Magdalene record.
Have you ever tried singing upside down?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Okay, I'm glad to hear it. Other big albums comeing
out between now and Christmas. The Weekend played a massive
show in Brazil last week to sort of basically announce
the fact that there's going to be a new album,
Hurry Up Tomorrow. No release date on that yet, but
that is an appalling title, by the way, hurry Up Tomorrow.
(13:21):
It sounds like an Oasis album, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
That's so naugh Like.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
We've just had to sexual which is a completely made
up word about human experience, and he's come up with
hurry Up Tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yeah, no, it does.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
It sounds like a Stereophonics album.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, I mean this. And Coldplay have got a new
album coming out on October the four. It is called
Moon Music. The last time we talked about Coldplay on
this podcast was when we were reviewing Glastonbury. You were
there watching them and they were playing new music for
this album and this. There is a version of this
where this might be Coldplay's last album, because they've said
that they Chris Mind said we will stop writing music
(13:59):
as a band twenty five and from then on we
might do some touring and carry on playing some these songs,
but we're not going to write any more music together.
So that doesn't necessarily mean this is the last album.
There might be something else to come next year. But
he's always kind of said like, once we've done that,
we're gonna like tap out.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
He said that in twenty twenty one, did originally in
an interview with Joe Wiley on the BBC. I wonder
if he if he regrets that, because once you go
on you know, once you go on record saying that,
I mean to be honest, you can't just say yeh,
I've changed my mind. But I like it as an
idea and not because I don't want to hear any
more colplay music, although there is truth in that, But
(14:38):
I just like the I like the idea of a
band that huge being completely honest and saying we are
going to be a greatest hits band, because that's what
most of them are, and they've just not announced it.
They've not just said, look, we can't be bothered to
write any more music, or we feel like we've written
all the music we need to write, So we're just
going to too the hits because that's what people want
(14:58):
to hear. He's just calling that out, isn't he essentially,
which is quite an honest thing to do. And there
probably are enough Coldplay records in the world. I mean,
I've heard some of Moon Music and.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I think, yeah, let's leave it.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
There's let's leave it.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
At Moon Music. Still do an incredible live show. Yeah,
still going to sell tickets. People are still that's still
going to headline less Andy every other year.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah. Speaking of Coldplay live shows and good move they
as we record this, they've basically teased some stadium UK
stadium shows for next summer twenty twenty five, and I
just like the way they've done this. So they have
wanted to find ways to support the grass roots music
scene live music scene in the UK for a while.
(15:44):
They've spoken on stage previously when they played huge gigs
in the summer this year in Cardiff and Manchester in
places like that, crediting the local venues where they started out. Anyway,
it suggested that ten percent of all the proceeds from
these stadium shows next year will go to the Music
Venue Trust to then support grass music venues essentially reading
(16:04):
designed between the lines. That's because Coldplay feel that it's
very important to support those spaces so that artists can
have a platform the size of theirs in three, four, five,
ten years time. So honorable thing to do, absolutely, but
I quite like the way they did it. They put
a poster up in the Dublin Castle in Camden in London,
which is one of the first venues they played for
(16:26):
their original for their first gig there, and then like
somebody's handwritten on it the dates of the shows the
next summer, saying and all ten percent of the proceeds
is going to go to independent venues to support upcoming talent,
which is just quite It's a very endearing, a very
warm and very cold Play thing to do, but fair
Play is actually going to end up with money in
the pockets of independent venues that we desperately need.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Tell me a record that is coming out in Q
four which you're excited about, but isn't one of these
huge ones because the ones we've just mentioned, they're the
big headline ones that everybody's you know, yeahs about.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
So I love Caribou. The Canadian artist Dan Snaith. Lots
of people know Caribou and their music. Cariboo of a
new album called Honey. It's out at the beginning of October,
and from what I've heard, I think there is like
three or four track shed on streaming services.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
It's a bit of a gear shift for Caribou, which
you know, he's kind of been in this sort of
more melodic, kind of ambient sort of part of the
songwriting and he does the last few albums and this
one's just a bit more pumped up, a bit more energetic.
Played three nights at its local venue in London last
week to like two hundred people a night, which is
(17:39):
that is a small Cariboo show. I saw some people
posting videos online saying it was insanely hot in there.
What about you, what are you excited about between now Christmas?
There's so many but the new Kelly le Owens album,
dream State is coming out on a brand new label
called The h two and that's October eighty. I think
(18:01):
loved all of her albums, sort of a mix between
ambient techno and dream pop really from Wales, and also
I've been listening to It's not out until October twenty fifth.
But I've listening to the debut album by Kim Deal
from Pixies and Breeders, which.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Called Nobody Loves You More. And I put that on
thinking it's probably going to be okay.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
But it's really good. It's really good.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
There's so many It was engineered by Steve at the
late Steve Albini, one of the last records he worked on.
I presume members of Savages are on it, brit from Slint,
everything on it. You know, it's grungey indie rock, but
it's done very well. We'll put some links onto what's
out on those in the show notes as well.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
In a moment, stud we are going to hear from
Laura and Marlin because you went to go and meet
her last week and she said something that got us
thinking about our record collections. So we're going to hear
from her in just a moment after these adverts.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Welcome back to episode one for nine of Midnight Chats.
So last week I went to Laura Marling's house. He's
been on the podcast years and years ago, seven years ago,
but we met up again to record an interview for
a future episode of the show that will probably be
a couple of weeks away. Yeah, But within our conversation,
(19:21):
which is about so many varied things, she said this
to me, got.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
A collective records. I recently got rid of all my records?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
So did you?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:30):
How come?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Because I lost faith in it as a concept. So
she said that, right, and that got me thinking, have
we reached the peak of people loving vinyl again? Are
people going to start selling their vinyl collections as they
did their CD collections? And how do people now feel
(19:52):
about the fact that they had sold their CD collections
in the first place. I think people are thinking about
this a lot more of do I still want my records?
Record prices are going up, Lots of people have gotten
rid of their CDs, but I've not really heard of
that many people have got rid of their vinyl record collections. Greg,
(20:13):
We've got two different experiences in this. Because I got
rid of all of my CDs. Yeah, when did you
do it?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Maybe seven years ago?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
And why did you do it? Was it because you
were just like this, I've never played them, or like
music's digital now you dead?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
To me?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I did it because I felt like I had loads
of them, loads I weren't listening to. But they didn't
look they weren't aesthetically pleasing on the shelf. They were
taking up lots of room because in these horrible CD racks.
And I bought a turntable. This is where I went wrong.
I bought a really nice turntable and some nice speakers,
(20:52):
and I had my vinyl records. And this was at
a time when everyone was getting back into vinyl in
a big way, and I was like, oh, yeah, maybe
I'll just use those. And I do have streaming, so
any of these CDs I want to listen to, I'll
just listen to on streaming and it will all take
up less room, it will look nicer. But I regret it.
(21:13):
Anyone listening who hasn't sold their CDs, don't if my
opinion is, don't do that. Why Because I'm now a
bit like Laura there. I'm I'm not done with records,
but I am going off the romance of it.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
It is really bad for the environment.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Acutely aware of that now, so I do think twice
about buying records. They are very expensive now, Like you know,
a brand new record is upwards of thirty quid usually
these days. And what I think I actually wanted was
just a better sound system. It all came together like
(21:55):
I was using this these new these records on this
new turntable and these new speakers in this new amp.
But if I just bought a nice CD player with
all of that other stuff, it would have sounded probably.
I hate to say this, Vinyl fans better than the
Vinyl records.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
You've got people turning off the podcast right now.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I know this is this is sacrige and I just
want to just caveat all of this by saying I
love records.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I love my record collection.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I still listen to them, of course, but I think
I got caught up in this wave of people being like,
sell your CD CDs are ugly, They're useless, Like they're
not there's they're not they have no sentimental value. And
I think what I really should have done was just
do a cull.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I should have.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Gone through all of the crap ones, the second Embrace album,
that should have gone the first Embrace album. You know,
I should have just got rid of lots of them,
but I should have kept some of them. You've still
got yours. But where are they are They just in
a loft somewhere.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
They're in my mum's garage. So but every time I
go to be like, oh, yeah, yeah, they're just they're
gathering dust. But every time I go towards them, you
know when you just open the drawer and you're like,
oh man, I just like, oh, that's brilliant. I've got
the Live according to the Family Values tour from nineteen
ninety eight, where Corn played an amazing set. Man just
(23:18):
like and I just start talking about it, and then
I was like, I'm not going to sell these That
my sort of thing. That's always what happens. There must
be something that's like compelling me to keep them right.
It's not this sense, it's just the memories of it.
As you mentioned, like the Environmental Impact Final. Yeah, in
its current format, it's not good for the environment. It's
derived from fossil fuels, and we need we all want
(23:40):
fewer of those in our lives. But there are, you know,
new things emerging in that area that mean it's still
exciting and vinyl sound great, so hopefully there'll be more
of that. CDs also not very great, not very good
for the environment because they've made a bunch of different
like compounds, so they're very difficult to recycle. So you know,
They're both not ideal, but it's interest. Did you get
(24:01):
the impression that, like Laura Marlin wanted to keep those
CDs because she loves that format more, or they take
up less space or something or what were there any
elements of that that figured Well, I.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Don't want to give too much away from the interview,
but she she gets part of the reason is she's
had a daughter last year.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
He's currently eighteen months old.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I'm part of it where she was like, I want
my daughter to be able to play the music I own,
and she can. I don't mind her picking up as
a ratty CD that I've bought in oxfam and getting
her fingerprints all over it because she can do that
and press the buttons and play the music and vinyls,
you know, not as easily done, so that that was
one of her reasons. But she's she's obviously, as she
(24:40):
says at the end of that clip there, she's fallen
out of like the idea of it, I guess the
ideology of it. But that made me think, like, we
put this up on our Instagram and took a pole
to see if our listeners had anything to say on it,
which we will get to very shortly, but I did
a little bit of research into the numbers of this, thinking,
(25:01):
is this the way things are going? Are people going
to actually start selling that vinyl collections that they've spent
so much money on. Are people going to just be like, actually,
I'm going to go back to CDs or I'm just
going to get rid of everything and we're just going
to do digital And the numbers show that Laura Marlin
is very much in the minority. CDs this year have
(25:25):
increased in sales for the first time in twenty years,
So there is a bit of a bump in CDs.
People are buying CDs again, I think a lot of those.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, but that's ed Sheeron in ASDA, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I presume.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
So, yeah, so CDs have had a little bit of
a bump. You're right, a lot of it's probably ed
sharing CDs.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
But vinyl.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I thought the vinyl thing, the vinyl boom was waning
and over, but last year it was up another eleven
point seven percent, and vinyl sales again, A lot of
these probably are Tata Swift records records that aren't There's
an astonishing number of records that get sold and never played.
Get on long on walls, or people just buy them
in shops to you know, for show. Almost but people
(26:09):
are still buying lots of records. Laura Marlin is in
the minority. I was a bit surprised by that. I
thought maybe we're swinging back that way, but we're not.
We did put this question to our listeners on our
Instagram page, which is Midnight Chat's pod if you want
to get involved, that's where we do most of our
polls and feedback for this show. And the question that
(26:30):
I asked there was have you ever got rid of
all your old CDs? And do you regret it? Thank
you to all the responses. Good Intentions Paving Company said
I would never appalling decision. Absolutely appalled by that. Apologies,
it's a purist saving company. Jake says, I sold off
(26:50):
a fair amount, but have no regrets. That's what most
people said. Most people either sold them and don't care,
or they've not sold them. This sounds like you. Greg
Ry Kitchen says, I've still got them, can't quite bear
to part with them, although I have absolutely no use
for them. Maybe that in his mum's garage. Thank you
(27:13):
for everyone that sent them in the big takeaway from
it for me was I'm the only one who regrets
regrets it. So what I said earlier about don't do it,
maybe maybe you'll be fine. Maybe you'll be fine if
you sell your CDs, But maybe maybe just think about
getting a better stereo. Maybe that's actually what you really need.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Coming up on the final part of tonight's episode of
Midnight Chats, after the on Fire set the Internet on
Fire success of our top three last week, stew I'm
gonna I'm gonna hit you with the top three. I
was going to set you a challenge. Okay for listeners listen, I.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Was going to just.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
By the way that was just met with a completely
blank face there. I was hoping there might be a
bit more surprising in your facial features. I'm going to
set you a challenge, and we're also going to leave
everyone listening with some recommendations of music that you should
check out. So back after this, before we go then
to you, like we've obviously talked about the massive headlines
(28:15):
in music, this week got into that very meaty debate
about owning the music that you want to own as well.
But before we got to go, I'm going to set
you a Top three and this is where we challenge
each other with a music question and put you on
the spot to find out what you're thinking. So this
week's top three is, Yeah, Stu, your house is on fire. Yes,
(28:39):
your house is on fire right now. What are the
top three pieces of physical music that you own that
you're going to save before you get out of the
house and the whole place burns down.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
God, I'm going to take with me. Oh, I'm going
to take Moon Safari by Air. Oh my god, I'm
going to.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Take Okay, it's a sex.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I wasn't expecting the album and I still listen to
it a lot. Yeah, I'm going to take I've got
to take a Beatles album. I'm going to take which one?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Come on, I've got a press.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
I'm going to take the white album because there's a
lot of it. And I'm going to take Oh my god,
I need something fun.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Because Sick on Fire is quite upsetting.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I'm going to take the most recent Kendrick Lamar album,
Mister Morrel Fantastic.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
So I want people to imagine now, Stuart Stubbs stood
outside of his house is a busy streak. He's wearing
some slippers and some pajama bottoms and nothing else. And
he's holding three records. They are the Beatles, White Album, Moon,
Safari by Air and no Recindron my record. You got out,
you got out alive, and you got out with the
(30:05):
three most treasured pieces of your music collection. Well done
and congratulations, thanks you Would you help that man? No,
we want to hear your top threes though, Like what
which which three albums or pieces of music from your collection?
Would you say? From a burning building? We are at
Midnight Chats pod on your socials, Stu, before we get
(30:27):
some recommendations and we leave listeners for the night. Got
a challenge for you, okay, a bit of podcast homework.
Next week is a special birthday for Midnight Chats. It
is one hundred and fifty episodes. We've done one hundred
and fifty episodes of this podcast. That's a hell of
a lot. But we want to I think we should
mark the occasion, right, So I think we should each
(30:49):
bring something to next week's podcast, right. I'm going to
leave it completely ambiguous like that.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
We'll just bring something. What that represents to share with
the listeners. It sounds like what we're offering our listeners
there is the chance to experience you sex you are
here on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, I think it does sound like we're offering that opportunity.
We also want to be really useful to you on
this podcast, and so what we've decided to do is
to leave you with a recommendation each week we've we've
called it beat the Algorithm, right because basically, as you
heard in our title sequence, algorithms kind of not not
(31:28):
really doing the business, is it. It's not serving us
all with like amazing, varietous new music suggestions. It's just
kind of a lot of the time giving us the
same or nothing at all. So we thought we call
this beat the Algorithm. Ste and I each week leave
you with the recommendations something's go and check out. There's
just come from our brain. You might think it's great,
you might think it's rubbish, but at least it's coming
(31:49):
from a human brain, which is quite nice, I think. So, Stu,
is there something you want to share with listeners before
we go tonight that you've been enjoying.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah, I'm going to share a record that came out
last year actually, and I discovered it at the of
twenty twenty three and wanged on about it a little
bit in loud and quiet, but I you.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Know what it's like.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Almost two years over like passed since then, and I've
re listened to it at the weekend because I found
a cassette tape talking about you know, physical formats. I
bought it on cassette tape. This is an artist called
Rosie Carr. I'll put a link in the show notes
to her band camp. It's probably the best place to
listen to this album she's made called You Yew and
(32:29):
she's like an ambient artist who is also a gardener,
and she uses found sounds from her gardening and it's
quite a fascinating collection of soundscapes that she's made. There's
some improvised harp and violin over the top of her music.
The album is called You. You can listen to it
on band camp. You can also buy these little, really
(32:51):
nice tapes that she's made. I'm not sure if that's
sold out now, but I re listened to that literally
to yesterday, and I remind myself, Yeah, everyone should know
about this.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
My recommendation is an album by night. It's called Nila
than Yanya, who some people this podcast might have heard before.
She's just released her third album, it's called My Method Actor.
It's out on Ninja Tune Records. And I love Nila
Tha Yana. I remember getting to meet her and speak
to around the release of her debut album, Miss Universe,
that was released like five years ago now, and that
(33:48):
debut album I think was pretty ambitious. It was full
of amazing tunes, but she had so many ideas. I
don't know if you remember Stu like she it was
like a sort of narrated element to that. That album
as well, that's sort of had this underlying concept about it,
kind of coming from a medical institution, and it was
all kind of framed in this quite experiments. I'm not
(34:10):
sure it all totally landed way, but there was just
some amazing songs on there. And she followed that up
with an album called Painless, and now she comes with
My Method Actor and I love this. It feels like
three albums in her songwriting has just got stronger and
stronger and stronger. I think this is her best album yet,
so I recommend people go and check it out. And
(34:31):
it's got some radiohead vibes on there that I think
some people might really appreciate.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Keep him with Downs Week, Just shake growth, long live.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Problems, costume, lovely stuff. What we're going to do is
we're also going to make a playlist, which we will
put in the show notes. Beyond Spotify, apologize to anyone
who doesn't use Spotify uses a different streaming service, we
can probably only do one, so we've just had to
pick the one that most people use, and there's a
(35:12):
free version of it, so essentially everyone can listen to
it if they want to, there'd be a link there.
We're gonna we'll add a track or two from Lilithiana
and Rosie Carr this week. We're put because we want
there to be more than just two songs on there.
We might put a few extra ones on as if
we've been doing this a bit longer. And then each week,
at the end of each episode, we're going to do
(35:34):
a little beat the algorithm. We're going to give you
our recommendation that week, and we will add some new
music to that playlist, so that's in the show notes.
Give it a follow each week it will be topped
up with something new. I think, Greg, we're done, aren't we.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
That's enough.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
It's time for me to go and sell my CD collection.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
It is.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
We'll see you next week on the podcast good to
See stud good.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Night, Everybody, good Night.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Midnight Chats is a joint production between Loud and Quiet
and Atomized Studios for iHeartRadio. It's hosted by Stuart Stubbs
and Greg Cochran, mixed and mastered by Flow Lines, and
edited by Stuart Stubbs. Find us on Instagram and TikTok
to watch clips from our recordings at much much more.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
We are Midnight Chats pod.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
For more information, visit loudan Quiet dot com
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