What's been our most awkward interview yet? How do we charm our guests? Who have we been starstruck by? And c'mon guys, why is this thing called 'Midnight Chats'?
As our podcast reaches its 150 episode, Greg and Stu celebrate by showing how the sausage is made, sharing stories and their tricks of the trade while trading some of their favourite clips from MC's illustrious history, and answering our listeners' questions about which guest has had the smoothest hands.
Also in this special episode, Stu premieres his new jingle for Beat The Algorithm, he and Greg give you their new music tips, and Greg faces this week's Top 3.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Good evening.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm Greg Cochran, Good evening, I'm Stuart Stubbs. We are
a couple of journalists who've been working in independent music
since the days of my Space.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
One night a week, we become your guides through the
week in music, because, let's face it, the algorithms have
stopped working for most of us.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So we're here to share the best new underground music
and the news that you might have missed, as well
as discussing the week's biggest headlines and bringing you interviews
with some of our favorite alternative artists.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The show is called Midnight Chats, So listen, Stu. There
has been a lot going on in the music world
this past week or so.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Don't care.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Don't get no, we don't care about that. Okay for
one week only. You're just switching that part of.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Your brain, switching that part off. This week is all
about us, Greg, fine, because you know we could sit
here and we could get into the fact that Chapel
Rohan's been here and everyone's been going on about it.
You couldn't get into the show.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Now, let's and your Greg cot I had something else
to do that night. I just couldn't.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
You didn't want to didn't want to go anywhere. No, yeah, yeah,
we could get into that, and we could talk about
this Morrissey mar thing, but I think that's over now.
And the bottom nine is that the Smith's reunion is
definitely not happening I any time soon.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
This week is about this. There's one headline only it's one.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Hundred and fifty episodes of Midnight Chats. And I know
that means very little compared to one hundred and forty
nine episodes last week, but because of the law of
zeros and fives, we have to celebrate this.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
And if you think Chapel Roone's been on like an
amazing trajectory, then just wait till you hear this the
stories of Midnight Chats.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
This feels kind of weird, doesn't it? Being in a
room together?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
It does, Yeah, especially because of the restraining order technically
not allowed, is it?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
This is maybe dispelling the myth, But this episode is
about dispelling some myths about this podcast, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Really?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
We are showing how the sausage is made Normally you're
in Leafy, Cambridgeshire, North Hartfordshire, but that's fine, okay, And
I'm here in Leafy stroke grimey South and South London.
But today we are together. We are in our Sunday
best and we are here because we want to talk
(02:30):
about ourselves. Hey, well done mate. Yeah, we've made one
hundred and fifty episodes of something and that is impressive.
That endurance is great. This is going to be an
indulgent episode for anyone listening. Okay, right now, so indulgence,
alarm and indulgence warning. Yeah, come on, just go with us.
(02:50):
It's still it's going to be fun. We're going to
play some old clips that we loved. We're going to
talk about some of our favorite interviews that we've done,
what it's like to meet these people. You're going to
answer your questions. We've got a lot via at Instagram,
which is Midnight Chat's part. If you want to give
us a follow on there. Yeah, is that coming up
a little bit later. But there was one that I
actually thought we should just get out of the way now,
because I think it's an important one and I think
(03:11):
it's one that maybe people it's certainly a look that
people give me when I tell them the name of
this podcast, and kay, go on, so let me just
get this up here. This is a question from Maria Scalatlan,
who asks where did the name midnight Chats come from?
It's a good question, it's.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
A good question. Okay, So going to take you back
to the cold winter days of January twenty sixteen. Yeah,
we talked about wanted to make a podcast, and we
were like, we don't know how to make a podcast,
but we think we want to make a podcast. What
we want with the idea we give out with was
we wanted to have informal, loose conversations with artists in
(03:57):
our world who we thought had something interesting to say.
And so we thought, well when when you know, what's
the sort of something that sums that up, you know,
And we went for the sort of nocturnal vibe of
midnight and then chats, because chats were just like, it's
a chat. It's not like, you know, it's not a
sit down Amal Raj and grilling.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
No, it's very casual. But crucial to this whole thing
was this idea that you had and this is a
great idea, the principle that we would do them at midnight, yeah,
or as close to midnight as possible. Yeah, So that
was where midnight Chats come from. We are now one
hundred and fifty episodes in. We have recorded zero of
those episodes at midnight. Well that's because we realized very
(04:42):
quickly no artist is going to do that. Like it's
hard to get artists in daylight hours sometimes, but to
get someone to come and meet us at midnight, it
was never going to happen. But we have been sort
of lumbered with this name ever since. I haven't and
the amount of times we say and it's got more
and more vague, and now there are some episodes where
(05:04):
it's just me and you like this, it's still a chat,
I guess. But what I would say in our defense
to the name of Midnight Chats is we did start
this podcast before the trend of everything being super themed.
We were feeling our way through it. We really learned
on the job. Unfortunately, some of those early episodes are
not great. They sound what the quality of the sound
(05:29):
really bad? Okay, I'm talking from my own point of
view there. Some of some of my questions are appalling.
But we learned on the job, like those kids in
the Harry Potter film, right, And unfortunately it's very public.
So that's where the name Midnight Chats come from. It
was a concept that was beyond us.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Can I take you back to episode one? Yes, So
we bought a microphone off eBay, right. I don't know if
you remember. It's lou yet blue yet it it's just
like holistic microphone. It looks a bit like a sort
of cock space thatite. You just stick it in the
front of a desk and it picks up all the
sound of the room.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
You speak into both you speak into one side and
the other person's meant to speak in the other side.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, we took to this ages to figure that out.
Though we decided we wanted these artists to come and
join us in the midnight hour. We didn't quite get there.
We did get an artist to come quite late in
the evening though, on like a sort of miserable Tuesday
night in January, and that artists to send us a
little message you.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Amazing, Hey, Greg, Ca, Stu and all the dearly beloved
midnight Chats listeners. This is David Kumu, lover of Syncopation,
wishing you an astounding, happy one hundred and fiftieth episode.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
It's with a.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Tinge of incredulity that I'm able to say I appeared
on the very first episode of Midnight Chats way back
in twenty sixteen. I was pretty drawn to the nocturnal format,
kind of safe and the knowledge that I'm either at
my most or least coherent after midnight. Thank you for
(07:09):
allowing me to supply mccannon fodder for your first foray
into the world. I might venture back for a nostalgic listen.
Bye for now. That's of love.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Oh that's nice.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yes, that make your heart warm.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
That's great. By the way, I'm going to say right now,
I've got nothing like that for you.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Oh see, I'm great. Cochrane bring it a fuzzy feeling.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
That was lovely.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
David Kum Yeah, so we reached out to yeah exactly,
David Komen from Invisible. David Komen like might well still
be an artist that's like relatively under the radar for
people listening to this, But he's part of an amazing
British band called The Invisible. They were nominated for the
Mercury Prize for their debut album like I don't know
twelve years ago now or something like that. But Dave
(08:00):
collaborates with some of the most amazing musicians Grace Jones,
Frank Ocean. He's just come off tour with former Midnight
Chats guest Jannis Philipakis as part of his live band.
So basically, David Kumo is not only known as one
of the nicest people in music, but also like extraordinarily talented.
(08:23):
We reached out to him. He came in, I know,
eight nine pm on that Tuesday night recorded the very
first episode of Midnight Chats. As you can tell, he's
delighted that he was the quote him directly canon for that. Yeah,
the game as if we just fired him out of
the window that night, but it was it was our
first foray. It was like our fond memories of it.
(08:44):
Like you say, it sounded awful, but what a joy
it was to just like spend that time going deep
with an artist that we absolutely loved that we felt
wasn't necessarily getting the opportunity to be heard in ways
that they should be.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I listened back to that yesterday, did you? And do
you know what concerned me that eighty two people have
listened to that in the last two weeks? Really, And
if you're listening and you're one of those.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Eight two people, one of them's David Komis brilliant.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
It worries me when I hear that people are listening
to the the ones. Yeah, it does.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
But this is the thing. We're discovering what it's like
to be morrissy now where everybody just wants to listen
to the old sto exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Well, we're going to play some of those clips and
the old stuff. Let's have some adverts because everybody likes those.
And when we come back, here's a question we're going
to Yeah, I'm going to give you a question now
which I would do the answer after the ads to
make sure people come back because it's it's gripping stuff.
The four most listened to episodes of this podcast were
(09:48):
with Phoebe Bridges, Foles, Old Jay and Mike Skinner. Which
one don't tell me? Now tell me after the ads?
Which one do you think is top of the list.
Welcome back to episode one hundred and fifty of Midnight Chats.
(10:09):
Before those ads, I asked you, Greg, what is the
most popular episode that we've put out At the top
four to choose from Mike Skinner, Phoebe Bridges, Foles and
Old j Where are you're going?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I'm not even sure there's an obvious winner there. It's
not like you were like one of them was Beyonce. Yeah,
she's that. The invitation for Beyonce to come on is
still very much open the way Phoebe Bridges. I'm going
to go, Phoebe Bridges.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
It's Old Jay, is he?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Episode ever?
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah, wow, they're all up there. There's not much in
it amongst those like they're all in our little group together?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
O they what they're like the sort of the fly?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, yeah, how interesting? Yeah, I remember, and I remember
Skinner for a really long time was number one, wasn't
it Like he was always at the top there? But yeah,
Old Jay swooped in terribly recorded that one. Like the
audio on that is if please don't go back and
listen to it now because the audio is so quiet.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I really yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
We there's so many episodes like that. I think like,
now we've got these posh micsy, We've got like the
Instagram going on. Yeah, everything sounds nice. We've got Flow
who we work with with masters everything and makes it
all sound brilliant. But back then we were really plucking in.
I wasn't even listening, you know, there was no headphones
there was nothing was there. It was really really shit.
(11:35):
It was pretty low fi. Yeah, yeah, that's where we
went from. So we were a moment ago. We talked
about episode one of the podcast. David Kuma came in
one late night into the into our creaky office. But
then but basically we just really enjoyed doing it, didn't we.
So we just started making more of them. We didn't
really have anything particularly in mind apart from let's carry
(11:55):
on making this podcast and speaking to lists that we like,
and so and so we did and and you know,
in those it just sort of started to gain a
little bit bit of momentum. And I think more important
than anything was that we just liked making it to
go out and have these long conversations with artists and
to be able to share them and they and importantly
crucially me, they seem to quite like it as well,
(12:18):
which takes us so well because we want to share it.
We want to revisit some of our standout episodes. I'm
not going to say best, because I think we've picked
some of these that we want to take you, dear
listeners back to with us, but this one felt pretty major.
I've already mentioned this, but on episode sixteen, Mike Skinner
(12:38):
agreed to come on the podcast, which was a big
deal for us because we were still very young as
a podcast and also Mike Skinner wasn't doing anything like
this in that particular pocket of his career, so it's
actually pretty rare to do anything. And he just turned
up at our office one day, didn't he He did? Yeah,
you're right, like he wasn't. The streets were over. I
(12:59):
had had a meeting with his manager beforehand, which is
the only time that's happened. Like normally we don't there's
no prep. I mean, there's no screening process. You know,
people just say yes or no. But his manager came in,
had a meeting with me, and one of the things says,
I do not mention the streets. The streets are off
the table. We're not going to mention that. About a
(13:19):
month after we recorded this podcast, he announced that they
were reforming. But maybe that's why do you want to
mention it? But yeah, he turned up and it was
one of those things where you're like, oh, maybe this
actually could be something, this podcast because Mike Skinner was
like a next level up. I'm going to pay a
little clip from it, very short clip this. This is
(13:42):
where he told me something that I thought at the
time very juicy. It's a juicy news. I was excited
to hear him say this to me.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
I did the music for the in Betweeners film and
it was ended up being you and you know they
I ended up on a percentage of that film because
they I don't think they really wanted to spend much
money on it, and it ended up being the highest
grossing British comedy of all time. So what I ended
(14:15):
up getting was insane, absolutely insane. Wow.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
At the time when they when they suggested that was
the deal, did you think, did you?
Speaker 6 (14:27):
I was thinking, I was thinking of Luke Luke Skywalker.
Luke Skywalker didn't take a cut. I'm taking a cut.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I mean, no one knows, yeah, no one.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
No one thinks they're making Star Wars do they really?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
But I just like the fact that he was so
forthcoming to about money. I also just thought, that's an
incredible fact that Mike skinner a wrote the music for
the in between Us movie, which makes the most sense ever.
But the fact that he took a percentage of that
film and that film became the highest grossing British comedy
of all time made six million. It was made for
(15:01):
like three million, right film? Okay, and and he got
he got a cut of that. So yeah, Mike's Skinner
episode sixteen, it really felt like it was we were
on our way then, like we were, we were, we
were doing something. And I certainly felt a little bit
star struck by that one because I was such a
(15:23):
huge Streets fan. I remember you even though we were
I did the interview, you hung around in the office
film to turn up because you wanted to meet him.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Absolutely. It was a completely one of those where I was,
you know, I was like, well, I could go to
the cafe now and you could just message me and
say when you're when he's been and gone. I was like, no,
what I'm gonna do is gonna wait for him to
knock on the door and then I'm gonna go I'm
just on my way out. And so yeah, that was me.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
He hung around afterwards, We had a little chat afterwards,
which which is always a good sign. And he was early.
That never happens. He was early. So thanks, Mike's gonna
who have you got? Let's way one of your.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Well, speaking of heroes, without any doubt, one of my
heroes is K Tempest. I love K Tempest pretty much
everything they've ever done, every novel they've written, every poem,
every album they've made. I do think they are the
closest thing we have to like a modern day genius.
(16:21):
So this was episode seventy six, what an absolute legend,
an amazing interview. Went to go and meet them in
a tiny little office space of like their PR company.
What was weird was there was a picture appeared on
the cover of Loud and Quiet magazine, not that much,
only like a year or two before, I think, and
(16:43):
so they were staring at a picture of their own
face on the wall as we recorded this podcast. But
it was just everything that I hoped it would be
and more. And I love this story of where CA's
talking about recording the album The Book of Traps and
Lessons out in Los Angeles at at the legendary Rick
Rubens Malaby studio and little visitor pops in to listen.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Up and coming artist pops in exactly listen to this.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I read some quotes from Rick saying that jay Z
it really got into jay Z's head what he heard
and it affected what he wrote for the next album
that he made so I.
Speaker 7 (17:23):
Don't know if it's chill or not, but I definitely
I remember him listening and he was really moved, and
then he was like, you know, can I play some
of my demos?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I was just go out of his phone.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
The whole time. It's like you're trying to like, remember,
I mean, just a conversation between two creative people about creativity,
like you've got to balance it somehow. There's a part
of you that's like, oh my god. But then you
have to just be like, come on, like why are
you doing like this? This is just the persons who
loves language like I do. And how exciting to be
(18:01):
able to have a conversation with him about his lyricism
or about mine or about music. But obviously he's learned.
He's got so much he's learned in his life. All
I could think about was like, I'm one step away
from Beyonce.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I think about me.
Speaker 7 (18:16):
I was just like, man, I suppose she's like almost
she's more like a goddess, isn't she than him? He's like,
she's like completely unbelievable, just such power, And that's that's
I didn't meet her.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
And You're like, jay Z, this is great. I'm really
enjoying speaking to you. But I don't suppose beyond that
in the car, is she because I really liked to
meet you. I didn't mean that.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
It's just like a funny thing, isn't it. It's like
a different, different world, different universe. It was magnificent that
Rick felt good enough about our music to play it
to someone so important as jay Z. And it was
really cool that he came and listened to the demos.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I think that would probably ruin my life. What if
listen to your podcast just like, oh, it's not getting
better than that.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
So casual about the fact that it's like a complete
life highlight.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, I love that episode with one of my absolute
favorites of all time.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Do you want to hear Jarvis Cocker telling me about
the plans he had for his fifty seventh birthday?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yes? Yes. And also I should note when we got
Jarvis Cocker to come onto the podcast, it was also
celebrating a significance. Yeah, Midnight Chat's birthday.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Right, Yeah, number one hundred. It was during lockdown. You
know what? Actually I know, I said, don't listen back
to the episode so you can listen to the jervis
one because one everything he says is incredible because he's
Jarvis Cocker. He says it in Jarvis Cocker's voice, very dry.
The reason I chose this clip is just because I
think it's very funny. But there were loads in this Yeah,
(19:48):
and being the audio sort of Nazi that I am,
Javis recorded his own voice. We did this remotely over
zoom because it was in lockdown and he had an
incredible recorder. His audio was much better than my audio was,
and he was great company. But this is him talking
about it was his birthday the week before, and I'd
(20:09):
asked him about his birthday a bit and it says
some very funny things about this. And then he told
me about this plan. He had to have his fifty
seventh birthday like this.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
It was a good birthday this year I had. At
one point I had grandiose ideas for it because I
was fifty seven. So I came up with this heinz concept.
I thought, well, heines their trademark is fifty seven varieties.
So I thought, well, I'll invite people. That's one of
(20:43):
the reasons why I'm down here in London. I thought, well,
I'll come to London, because there's quite a few people
that I haven't seen for a long time because of
the lockdown and everything, and restrictions seemed to have been
eased little. So maybe we could meet out in a
garden and we could have a picnic, and all the
food on the picnic would be Hinds products. But then
(21:05):
when I actually looked at what Hind's made, once you
get past tomato ketchup beans and tomato soup, it starts
to get pretty rank really quickly, and you probably would
have a lot of people being physically ill if they
had to eat nothing that Hinds stuff for a whole meal.
(21:26):
So I was quite lucky that they brought in the
rule of six and kind of put paid to any
idea for social gathering.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, they saved your blushes for that because and your guests.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
They saved your guests.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Really.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Yeah, actually, no one would ever have come to a
party that I gave. Ever again, I think salad cream
is okay. Sandwich spread divides people. Some people like it,
some people say it looks like someone's been sick on
a slice of breads.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Come on everywhere, every job, He's come on every week.
This is a man who's currently in the middle of
an American tour with Pulp, and there he is talking
about how a sandwich spread looks like a vomit. I've
just got visions of, Like Jarvis has got lots of
famous friends, right, and you can just imagine he's gathering
six of the most famous people in music in a
(22:32):
garden to serve them some salad cream, some sandwich spread
and some baked beans and sausages in a can. Just exceptional.
I mean, what what else is there to say about that? Nothing?
Let's move on, oh dear. So keeping kind of on
(22:52):
the theme of Lockdown, I got to speak to Matt
burning It from the National again, an absolute hero of mine,
back in twenty twenty. This was about five months after
the lockdown, or after Lockdown has started, so again I
was speaking to Matt. He was at home in the state,
so I was in North London that point. And the
(23:13):
reason that I went to revisit this one is like
a complete gear change from hearing about Jarvis Cocker in
his tomato soup. I just when I flick back through
the catalog of Midnight Chats, like this is just the
one episode that just that takes me exactly to a
time in a place, because it was a really like
heartwarming conversation. He was releasing his solo album at that
(23:35):
time called Serpentine Prison, and this whole album was dedicated
to his dad, who's got a very close relationship. Just
like days after recording this episode, talking about loads of
conversation was about Matt's father, Like, I lost my dad
and then I became a dad within like a few weeks,
and I just can't help But when I scrolled back
through those episodes of Midnight Chats, and I'm like, I
know exactly where it was and how I was feeling
(23:57):
that week. So that is a very very indulgent reason
for why it's played its clip. But the more important
thing is that if people wonder you visit it. It
is one of my favorite episodes that we've ever done.
And this is, uh, this is not being very funny
about his own dad and his own family.
Speaker 8 (24:11):
I sent my mom a link, a drop back links
links to it all. But they they I think they
Mom just figures that barely knows how to do it.
Nobody's been figured out how to put anybody's phones there.
I keep asked my sister, just put it on their phone.
I think I sent them a stream, but they don't
know what a stream is. You know, my dad, he
thinks he's going to take a walk if if he's like.
Speaker 9 (24:32):
Oh, good, there's a stream where there's a stream nearby,
well let's go take a walk and see what's in
the stream.
Speaker 8 (24:37):
And now I was like, no, no, that's my record for
you anyway. Yeah, so but he's you know, they they've
heard it.
Speaker 9 (24:43):
They love it.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
And and I talked to I talked to my dad.
I've been talking to my.
Speaker 9 (24:46):
Dad a lot lately during COVID, and my parents have
been really uh, it's been really nice. I've always been
really close with my mom and dad and my sister
and my brother.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
COVID's made me really I think I I was quite
protective over my parents before COVID, and maybe really I
don't know if it was like the same view in
the early days when it was like lockdown, I was
like video calling and every other day, just what have
you been doing today?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
And how are you doing today?
Speaker 5 (25:12):
As if just like it was like accelerated, as if
like a decade had passed and I was suddenly sort
of looking out at him and it hasn't really it's
sort of stuck that way. Has it been like that
for you?
Speaker 8 (25:23):
Well, my parents are so funny like that. We I
just I, you know, I send them. I just called
my mom. I was like, hey, are you still alive?
You know, and we just make fun of it.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
And you know, and they're like, oh, I am, let
me check on your father, you know, and she's.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Like, yeah.
Speaker 9 (25:38):
So we're very a lout of dark humor about all
the that's the burning is always sort of just managed
to take the darkest things and find what's what's bright
about them or or and just learn how to lean
into them. And I learned that from both my mom
and my dad all that.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
He's such a nice guy. And I remember I remember
when that came out and you'd posted it and you
had just lost your dad, and he promoted it on socials,
which lots of people don't do. And that's no shade
to the guests that don't, because if they promote this show,
that have to promote every single bit press they do,
and we fully understand why some people do and some
(26:16):
people don't. But he did, and he promoted it dedicating
the show to your dad.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah Yeah, which was so really nice.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
And like heartwarming. What a lovely man you can come
back on as well.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Man.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
What we should have done is got all of the
guests that we've ever had on Midnight Chats and invited
them into this room with us stup and I've got
a surprise for you. Now, I love cat power. Well,
I've got a story about cat power that I'll share
in a little bit. Right, I've got let's do We've
got one more, one more clip, go for it. This
one is a recent clip. Actually, it's of myself singing
(26:54):
with Annaby Savage. It's how we ended an episode that
started this series of earlier this year, in twenty twenty four.
And the reason I wanted to play this is because
there's something about I mean one, I was at an
advantage here. I know Anna, We've hung out a bit
and with friends, so it was it was an easy interview.
(27:15):
But whenever I try and think what is Midnight Chats
and when I'm going to do the interview, I'm.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Always hoping to turn it into karaoke. It's going to
end like this.
Speaker 10 (27:26):
And measure nunciated like quiet.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, then you know you sort of learn the lyrics. Yeah,
how should we end this.
Speaker 10 (27:35):
Let's do that thing where you have to sing this
song together looking at each other's mouths.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Oh do you know that one? No, just make it up.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
You just make up the song. Yeah, yeah, okay, you have.
Speaker 10 (27:44):
To sing it together. Who's leading and who's following? You
lead and I'll follow. So you just make up a
song and I will try and sing it along with you.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I think maybe you should be making it up because
I've got no musical You should lead, okay, because I
will lead us into a All.
Speaker 10 (28:00):
Okay, you ready?
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Ye?
Speaker 10 (28:02):
This was so far fun.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Wait one last time? Is it starting like that again?
Do you give me?
Speaker 10 (28:14):
No? We hope you joined?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Is so.
Speaker 10 (28:28):
Lots of love.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Wouldn't it be nice if we got on with everyone
like that on the show? Wouldn't that be good?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
It would be good. How do we do that? Speaking
of which, I think somebody asks us a question on
those lines, didn't they? People were interested about how we
how we do how we get on with the artist?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yes, that question that you're talking about was from Paula Reavers,
and it was how do you connect with an artist?
At the start of an interview? Always always going well,
kiss open malis or I do what I.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Did once with Disney Rascal, which is where he offered
me a fist bump and I went for a handshake
the cabbage.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Didn't he good?
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I never knew that inadvertently invented dizzy rascals? Yeah, did
you feel there was the whitest man alive? And also
just just how embarrassing? Man? What do I normally do?
Smile a lot, ask him how the day has been,
(29:37):
try and make a little bit of chit chat. Explained
that this is going to be really informal, and just
try and disarm them a little bit. I think it
doesn't always work, but I say more often than not,
it works. Is it true you give them a foot rub?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
I asked for a foot rub? Okay, they know. I
guess I'd do a similar thing. I do always. I
don't know you do this as well, because and I
think I probably stole this from you. Okay, when when
I when we sit down before we start for a
press record, I always sort of say what it's very casual,
and I always say by all means ask any questions
(30:16):
back to me.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, And they never do. But when they do some
I mean I say they never do. When that they
do do that because it's.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Not all you feel special I do.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I feel like, oh, they've really got the brief. They've
really got the brief. That's nice. Whereas I mean, and
of course they shouldn't have to. It's not that job.
They're not there to interview me. I'm interviewing them. But
I always say that, and then I think I normally
start because that question is about like the start of
the interview. I tend to start the interview very low key.
(30:50):
I'm not going to say, right, the band just split up?
What's happened?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
A part from when you're interviewing black media?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Actually I did that with Geordie actually, and he was
completely open to it. I thought, I just get it
out the way, and I felt quite proud of myself.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Good for being.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Brave, for you asking the brave, brave boy.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Then, it's been far too long since we've had some adverts,
so let's have some more adverts. Stick around though, because
when we come back, we're going to answer more of
your questions. We're going to do a top three, and
we are still going to do this week's beat the
Algorithm with our tips of new music to check out
before we unleash you from this one hundred and fiftieth
(31:28):
episode of the podcast coming up after this break.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
I don't listen to that many podcasts. I know they're
the new thing, and I know this one is legendary.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Right. We've got some other brilliant questions from listeners here.
Sam Coots has asked, what's the most awkward interview? Have
you got one in mind?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
What's the most awkward interview? I've got to in mind?
Speaker 3 (31:56):
A have you?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Okay, Rushen Murphy, Okay, yeah, it was awkward. It's okay
for us to name these people, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I mean, you know again, I'm just going to say
because this is something that most people ask. Most people
will ask me whenever I tell them what I do,
they say, who have you met? Who's a nightmare? Or
who's the worst person you've met?
Speaker 1 (32:17):
That what people say to you?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Yeah, all the time. Do you not get that?
Speaker 1 (32:21):
You must have some cynical thing?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah? People always want to know what like? Which artist
I've met that I didn't like? Actually, and overwhelmingly I've
only had positive experiences on this podcast and outside this podcast.
Everyone is genuinely lovely, right, Yeah, And Russie Murphy, it's
not that she's not lovely, but she's she was I
think in a bad mood. We didn't connect, we didn't jail,
(32:45):
she wouldn't do the foot rub.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
You know it was she.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I think she was just in a bad mood. I'd
met her briefly beforehand, and she was in a bad
mood that day as well, So maybe you know that
it happens. That one was awkward. And although it didn't
sound that awkward in the edit once I put it out,
the one with Ryan Adams was awkward because this was
(33:12):
before there's been certain allegations about him. Let's not get
into that.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I don't actually know where that story is right now,
and I don't want to say thing liabel as. I
had this this question in my back pocket if I
felt like it wasn't going very well, right, and it
was about the Smith's funny enough, right, because I knew
he was a huge Smith fan. And at that point
I was listening to the Johnny mart autobiography and I thought, well,
(33:36):
we can bond over that if it's not going very well.
So I pulled that out, and I pulled it out
quite quickly. I think I felt I needed it quite
quickly because it wasn't really going and I thought we
were going to be mates about the Smiths at that point,
and he was just seemed quite put out that there
was somebody else.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
That liked the band that he liked.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Oh, there was just a.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Bit of a competition there of Well, I've read the
book twice already actually, So they're the two that's that
spring to mind. I know yours. I'll say it, and
if it's wrong, we bleep the name. I say, yeah,
I don't throw anyone of the bus. Yeah, Jessica Hoop, Yeah,
(34:19):
that one, Jessica Hoop.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I want to put on record that I love Jessica
Hoop's music.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I saw at Glastonbury this year and incredible.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah she really is she get Yeah, it was again.
It's just one of those ones where I think, like
maybe I just pitched the levels of questions, just like
maybe I think it was pretty much all on me,
to be honest, Maybe I just I.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Should have said that about the other. Can I now
say that.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
About the two?
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I know you can't. I think just maybe I just,
you know, maybe I went in with something that was
a bit too light hearted that she didn't want to
talk about that day, and we just we didn't we
got on right, But I think there was just like
a certain level kind of of of challenge in the
conversation that that is absolutely fine, but as in like,
I don't yeah, I think as valid as any other interview,
(35:12):
And I don't think you can do every interview where
you come up being best friends with the artists, because
I think that's boring for everyone. It's boring for listeners,
it's for them and us. We're not Louis Theroux, Greg,
we are not Louis Theroux. And so yeah, that would
be the one that I would say was a tiny
bit awkward, but not really and certainly not in a
regrettable way.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
You hate Jessica who.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
But like, continuing on the theme of hard hitting questions, well,
Michael lapton message and said, I'd love to know which
of the guests you've had on the show who had
the smoothest hands.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Oh, thanks for that's a that's a great question. Smoothest hands. Okay.
My mind instantly goes to Kim Gordon for a separate reason,
and it's because yes, and I'm sorry to mention the
lockdown again, this was pre lockdown. Kim Gordon came on
I was a bit nervous about it anyway, because she's
(36:10):
a legend and I wanted to get it right. And
I thought, and she was so lovely and warm, but
I thought maybe she wasn't going to be so I
wanted it to be great. But it was the week
COVID was happening, Like we weren't in lockdown south By.
Southwest had been canceled that day, and there was just
talk of this virus going around. So when we met,
(36:34):
she wouldn't shake my hand. Yeah, And it was the
first experience of it, which you know became the norm, right,
didn't It Like people were crossing the street to avoid
each other within like two weeks after this. But at
that point it just felt strange to meet someone and
be feeling a bit intimidated anyway, and then to not
know whether to. I didn't put my hand out. I
(36:55):
just thought I won't because of this thing, and we didn't.
So there was just this weird shoulder barge was just
this weird moment where we did. It's the first time
whenever I meet anyone, I ever shake their hand or
hug them or touch them in some way. I'm a
very tactile man. Touching your knee now, but that didn't happen.
(37:18):
So Kim Gordon's where my mind goes to. But it's
because I don't even know she's got hands because we
didn't touch them, so I can't say it's Kim Gordon's hands.
I'm sure she's got lovely, soft hands, but my mind
probably goes to the warmest reception I got from somebody.
And this is where cap power turns up. Ah, when
I did the cap Power interview, i'd never met her before.
(37:41):
We did it in a very posh hotel room that
she was staying in here in London. My memory of
it is she did wouldn't let me leave, and I'm
sure that's wrong, and I'm sure I'm flattering myself, but
I felt we got on really well and she was
so yeah, she was lovely. So I'm going to say
that I can't remember our hands. Who have you got?
(38:03):
Is got smooth hands?
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I'm trying to think of like famous hands that I
might have touched. I touched Gordon Brown's hands once, the
ex Prime Minister of the country.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
That's why in our local pub when you're living in Kilburn,
and he came into the pub just before he lost
the election. I don't think it was my fault, but
we shook hands because he went around and shook everyone's hands,
and my god, smoothest hands I've ever touched. Gordon Brown's
my answer.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Gordon Brown's your answer. I'm looking through the list of
people we've had in this podcast that you've touched the
hands of Karen No, I've touched Karen's hands, Stephen Moultmus, Yes,
who else? Look? I mean in parlor, You've touched a
lot of magic hands.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Very famous hands.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah, I feel like I don't have as many hands
stories as you do.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Here's one for you, Greg, Hi. Greg and she loving
the podcast and have always wanted to know which guests
have made you the most star struck.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
That's from lou oh Struck. This is going way back
to the early days of the podcast. But we had
Sweatshot Boys on the podcast, which some people might be
thinking Sweatshop pust know who that is. It's Ris armed
Hemes exactly. Yeah, and Redinio Yeah, the the beat Maker
(39:19):
DJ producer and episode fifteen of Midnight Chats. If you
want to go all the way back to that one.
Riz Armored obviously multi award winning huge nomination exactly, you know,
performs as like riz Ems. I just love I've always
loved his work. I think he's like a really important,
(39:40):
vital cultural figure, and so when he stepped in the office,
I was sort of couldn't really believe me was there,
and spent most of the time thinking pretty sure ris
armed is like, is this like an AI generated version
of rizzarm Ed or is he actually in the office
with me?
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Okay, we've got one final question. Thank you for all
the questions, by the way, got so many, but we
would be here all day. I'm going to pick just
one last one, which is from James Koka, and it
is how do you feel about doing interviews and artists
flats slash homes? Does it make you feel more comfortable?
Speaker 1 (40:17):
It does for me. It depends what kind of cha
your sound, right.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I love it, I absolutely know you do. It's because
you're nosy, and I think they're more comfortable as well.
I think that's like important.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Because they always go and use a toilet and never use.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
A toilet what never? No, I think that's do.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
You Joe Toblet from Idols, Hey, how is it bad form.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
When you need to? Pa can't do that.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
No, I don't use You'd rather sit there with a
full blad myself speaking to age, that's.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Because I'm a professional. Professionals don't use the toilet. But
I always love going because I think they're really relaxed.
A couple of weeks ago, I was at Laura Marl's house.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
How do you know when you've outstaged? You? Would you do?
You leave quite quickly? After night time?
Speaker 4 (41:07):
I leave.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I normally leave if they've when they're putting the kids
to bed, that's probably when I that's normally when I go.
I should probably go right. Yeah, visce ten am, Well,
a lovely day we've had together. A j Tracy I
mentioned a moment ago what was his place like? And
anybody else who'd just been like, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Yeah, wasn't his house. It was the house of his assistant,
I believe, And I knew as soon as I went in.
I recognize it from the TV because it was a
house that I saw built on Grand designs years ago,
years ago. Had a light up dance floor, so that
(41:46):
was the tail. Yeah, and you're like houses got that?
But yeah, to answer the question, I like going to
the house. I think everyone feels more comfortable as long
as you don't use the toilet. I think everything's fine.
Just gets weird, just gets weird. It doesn't if you
turn up you run a bath. I heard that.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
I think Jota was radiator. Actually, now we've taken the
pocket so that we've done the podcast in all sorts
of places. We've done it online because people on the
other side of the world, we've done it. We've been
to visit their flats. We've done it at low and
quiet offices, We've done it in studios or wherever they
want to do it. We've also done some live episodes
of the podcast and they have been uniformly successful. Is
(42:26):
that correct?
Speaker 2 (42:28):
They've not been They've not been bad, but I've not
enjoyed them. I feel this is where you come alive.
I feel in front of an audience, in an audience situation,
it gets very Frost Nixon. You're a professional in a
way that I will never be, and you nail it.
(42:51):
I'm not comfortable up there on the stage. We've done
so much some festivals and but there was an absolute tracker. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (43:00):
I think.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
The absolute best one was when we had Self Esteem
on at the Great Escape and they put us on
at about im or something like that conference part of
a city festival. It was the weekday as well. It
was like the Thursday or the Friday, and Rebecca bless her,
(43:24):
turns up with her you know, manager, maybe one other person.
This is just before self esteem becomes like the biggest
thing going. We could never get her on this show
now and bless her.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Let's listen to this. By the way, this is two
professionals using illusion. Well, so many people are here't it.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
So was that Rebecca doing a noise? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
So anyway, we've been programmed very early in the morning.
I remember us driving down there and Rebecca was DMNs
going on the fucking one time in the morning, is
this And yeah it was. It was. It was a
white lie what you just heard there. It wasn't a
room full of people.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
I was there.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
It was there double figures.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
I don't think. I think if you were to take
out the people who had to be there. Yeah, sound guy,
yeah me Rebecca's manager. Yeah, I think it's single figures.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
But honestly, it's still one of the funnest episodes we've
ever recorded. Put it this way, more people listen to
that episode of the podcast within about eight seconds of
it being shared than were actually in the room. But yeah,
she's just what what hero really really entertaining conversation. But yeah,
needless to say, we've had quite a lot of fun
making this podcast.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Over one hundred and fifty we have. We've had such
a nice time. We to continue for as long as
we can. We've got another fifteen odd weeks of this run.
This run that we're on at the moment is huge.
It's huge. It's a forty five week run. We're about
thirty in, so we're here till the end of the
year at the very least. Thanks veryone for listening. Thank
(45:17):
you to everyone for coming on. Actually they've all been great,
even the ones that we've grumbled about a little bit,
everyone's actually been great. So thank you for that time.
Before we go, let's just do two things that we
have endeavored to do on each of these podcasts for
the rest of the year. Number one is top three.
I've got a very quick top three for you.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
We'll go on then, Yeah, let's get your top three
songs that make you cry. Top three songs that make
me cry. Oh my goodness, Johnny Cash's cover of whichitel
Ninemen yep, Bleak blak. The songs that made me cry
(46:02):
foles Spanish sahara. These are sad tears, are they? No?
That was a happy, happy, happy happy tears number three
the end credits music to Midnight Chats, because I always
know that that's the end of the episode.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Perfect answer, Yeah, perfect answer. And the final thing for
us to do before we go is beat the Algorithm. Yeah,
which is the only a second week of beat the Algorithm.
You know what, I've built a jingle for it, Greg,
have you?
Speaker 6 (46:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Hit me.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
The algorithm.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
The algorithms That is swanky.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
I did that using no I I.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Did you you use that? You?
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Does that?
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Counters? That doesn't count as does it? Robot voices.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
I think there's some blurry lines there isn't it.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
That's not that's not AI. I'm not that's not That
was all me?
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Yeah, very nice. Yeah, I appreciate that. Looking forward to
hearing it every week.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
What's going to be your tip for this week that
our listeners should check out?
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Okay, So I love this song. It's called deep Holes,
which I think is a great name for a song.
It's by Raheem red Car formerly known as the artist
Christine and the Queens, and he is now performing under
the alias of Raheem red Car and released this new
(47:31):
track just in the past week or so. Absolutely love it,
proper banger. I think that's a sign that, like the forthcoming,
it's like a body of work. I'm not sure if
you could call it an album, because I think it's
sort of like six or seven songs. It's called Hope Core.
It's coming out the end of September.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
I Want you, I say my beat the algorithm this
week is a man called Tucker Zimmerman. Do you know
this guy?
Speaker 1 (48:08):
He's start Facebook?
Speaker 2 (48:12):
No, No, Tucker Zimmerman is. He lives in Belgium. He's
American born, he's in his seventies. He's a cult figure.
He's released loads and loads of music. I'm new to him.
I think lots of people are as well, but they're not.
He's releasing an album, his debut album for the four
A D label, which is coming out in October on
the eleventh. It's called Dance of Love. He's released a
(48:33):
few tracks of it. The one that I particularly love
that I would say is a good starting point point.
It's called The Idiot's Maze.
Speaker 9 (48:49):
Around, Like.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Take me David Bowie was apparently in nineteen sixty nine,
said that Tucker Zimmerman's album was one of his favorite
albums ever.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Oh really wow.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
So he's this guy who's been very much on the
fringes doing his own thing. This new album has been
made with Big Thief. Okay and Adrian Lenka from Big
Thief sings on a lot of the songs, including the
track I just mentioned, and our voices sound beautiful together
and it's a long, folky song that doesn't really ever
(49:28):
get to the chorus. And I like songs like that
that they just sort of feel endless. Tucker Zimmerman, the
idiots maye.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
Well, that's it. That is the one hundred and fiftieth episode.
You're pretending the room fullers of faith all there sit.
I would never do that one hundred and fiftieth episode
of Midnight Chats. That is a rap on that. Thanks
for indulging this, by the way, this week, and thanks
to all of your questions that you're asking about Midnight Chats.
They were absolutely brilliant. It is. It's a lot of
(49:59):
fun for us to reave the interviews the people that
we've had on over the years. Hopefully maybe You've discovered
some episodes that you didn't even know about, that are
there in the back cattle that you want to go
back and listen to. That being said Stuart, what privilege
it has been. Let's shake hands, Oh very soft. Midnight
(50:24):
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Speaker 2 (50:39):
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Speaker 1 (50:40):
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Speaker 2 (50:42):
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Good evening.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm Greg Cochran, Good evening, I'm Stuart Stubbs. We are
a couple of journalists who've been working in independent music
since the days of my Space.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
One night a week, we become your guides through the
week in music, because, let's face it, the algorithms have
stopped working for most of us.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So we're here to share the best new underground music
and the news that you might have missed, as well
as discussing the week's biggest headlines and bringing you interviews
with some of our favorite alternative artists.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The show is called Midnight Chats, So listen, Stu. There
has been a lot going on in the music world
this past week or so.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Don't care.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Don't get no, we don't care about that. Okay for
one week only. You're just switching that part of.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Your brain, switching that part off. This week is all
about us, Greg, fine, because you know we could sit
here and we could get into the fact that Chapel
Rohan's been here and everyone's been going on about it.
You couldn't get into the show.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Now, let's and your Greg cot I had something else
to do that night. I just couldn't.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
You didn't want to didn't want to go anywhere. No, yeah, yeah,
we could get into that, and we could talk about
this Morrissey mar thing, but I think that's over now.
And the bottom nine is that the Smith's reunion is
definitely not happening I any time soon.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
This week is about this. There's one headline only it's one.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Hundred and fifty episodes of Midnight Chats. And I know
that means very little compared to one hundred and forty
nine episodes last week, but because of the law of
zeros and fives, we have to celebrate this.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
And if you think Chapel Roone's been on like an
amazing trajectory, then just wait till you hear this the
stories of Midnight Chats.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
This feels kind of weird, doesn't it? Being in a
room together?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
It does, Yeah, especially because of the restraining order technically
not allowed, is it?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
This is maybe dispelling the myth, But this episode is
about dispelling some myths about this podcast, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Really?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
We are showing how the sausage is made Normally you're
in Leafy, Cambridgeshire, North Hartfordshire, but that's fine, okay, And
I'm here in Leafy stroke grimey South and South London.
But today we are together. We are in our Sunday
best and we are here because we want to talk
(02:30):
about ourselves. Hey, well done mate. Yeah, we've made one
hundred and fifty episodes of something and that is impressive.
That endurance is great. This is going to be an
indulgent episode for anyone listening. Okay, right now, so indulgence,
alarm and indulgence warning. Yeah, come on, just go with us.
(02:50):
It's still it's going to be fun. We're going to
play some old clips that we loved. We're going to
talk about some of our favorite interviews that we've done,
what it's like to meet these people. You're going to
answer your questions. We've got a lot via at Instagram,
which is Midnight Chat's part. If you want to give
us a follow on there. Yeah, is that coming up
a little bit later. But there was one that I
actually thought we should just get out of the way now,
because I think it's an important one and I think
(03:11):
it's one that maybe people it's certainly a look that
people give me when I tell them the name of
this podcast, and kay, go on, so let me just
get this up here. This is a question from Maria Scalatlan,
who asks where did the name midnight Chats come from?
It's a good question, it's.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
A good question. Okay, So going to take you back
to the cold winter days of January twenty sixteen. Yeah,
we talked about wanted to make a podcast, and we
were like, we don't know how to make a podcast,
but we think we want to make a podcast. What
we want with the idea we give out with was
we wanted to have informal, loose conversations with artists in
(03:57):
our world who we thought had something interesting to say.
And so we thought, well when when you know, what's
the sort of something that sums that up, you know,
And we went for the sort of nocturnal vibe of
midnight and then chats, because chats were just like, it's
a chat. It's not like, you know, it's not a
sit down Amal Raj and grilling.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
No, it's very casual. But crucial to this whole thing
was this idea that you had and this is a
great idea, the principle that we would do them at midnight, yeah,
or as close to midnight as possible. Yeah, So that
was where midnight Chats come from. We are now one
hundred and fifty episodes in. We have recorded zero of
those episodes at midnight. Well that's because we realized very
(04:42):
quickly no artist is going to do that. Like it's
hard to get artists in daylight hours sometimes, but to
get someone to come and meet us at midnight, it
was never going to happen. But we have been sort
of lumbered with this name ever since. I haven't and
the amount of times we say and it's got more
and more vague, and now there are some episodes where
(05:04):
it's just me and you like this, it's still a chat,
I guess. But what I would say in our defense
to the name of Midnight Chats is we did start
this podcast before the trend of everything being super themed.
We were feeling our way through it. We really learned
on the job. Unfortunately, some of those early episodes are
not great. They sound what the quality of the sound
(05:29):
really bad? Okay, I'm talking from my own point of
view there. Some of some of my questions are appalling.
But we learned on the job, like those kids in
the Harry Potter film, right, And unfortunately it's very public.
So that's where the name Midnight Chats come from. It
was a concept that was beyond us.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Can I take you back to episode one? Yes, So
we bought a microphone off eBay, right. I don't know if
you remember. It's lou yet blue yet it it's just
like holistic microphone. It looks a bit like a sort
of cock space thatite. You just stick it in the
front of a desk and it picks up all the
sound of the room.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
You speak into both you speak into one side and
the other person's meant to speak in the other side.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, we took to this ages to figure that out.
Though we decided we wanted these artists to come and
join us in the midnight hour. We didn't quite get there.
We did get an artist to come quite late in
the evening though, on like a sort of miserable Tuesday
night in January, and that artists to send us a
little message you.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Amazing, Hey, Greg, Ca, Stu and all the dearly beloved
midnight Chats listeners. This is David Kumu, lover of Syncopation,
wishing you an astounding, happy one hundred and fiftieth episode.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
It's with a.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Tinge of incredulity that I'm able to say I appeared
on the very first episode of Midnight Chats way back
in twenty sixteen. I was pretty drawn to the nocturnal format,
kind of safe and the knowledge that I'm either at
my most or least coherent after midnight. Thank you for
(07:09):
allowing me to supply mccannon fodder for your first foray
into the world. I might venture back for a nostalgic listen.
Bye for now. That's of love.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Oh that's nice.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yes, that make your heart warm.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
That's great. By the way, I'm going to say right now,
I've got nothing like that for you.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Oh see, I'm great. Cochrane bring it a fuzzy feeling.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
That was lovely.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
David Kum Yeah, so we reached out to yeah exactly,
David Komen from Invisible. David Komen like might well still
be an artist that's like relatively under the radar for
people listening to this, But he's part of an amazing
British band called The Invisible. They were nominated for the
Mercury Prize for their debut album like I don't know
twelve years ago now or something like that. But Dave
(08:00):
collaborates with some of the most amazing musicians Grace Jones,
Frank Ocean. He's just come off tour with former Midnight
Chats guest Jannis Philipakis as part of his live band.
So basically, David Kumo is not only known as one
of the nicest people in music, but also like extraordinarily talented.
(08:23):
We reached out to him. He came in, I know,
eight nine pm on that Tuesday night recorded the very
first episode of Midnight Chats. As you can tell, he's
delighted that he was the quote him directly canon for that. Yeah,
the game as if we just fired him out of
the window that night, but it was it was our
first foray. It was like our fond memories of it.
(08:44):
Like you say, it sounded awful, but what a joy
it was to just like spend that time going deep
with an artist that we absolutely loved that we felt
wasn't necessarily getting the opportunity to be heard in ways
that they should be.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I listened back to that yesterday, did you? And do
you know what concerned me that eighty two people have
listened to that in the last two weeks? Really, And
if you're listening and you're one of those.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Eight two people, one of them's David Komis brilliant.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
It worries me when I hear that people are listening
to the the ones. Yeah, it does.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
But this is the thing. We're discovering what it's like
to be morrissy now where everybody just wants to listen
to the old sto exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Well, we're going to play some of those clips and
the old stuff. Let's have some adverts because everybody likes those.
And when we come back, here's a question we're going
to Yeah, I'm going to give you a question now
which I would do the answer after the ads to
make sure people come back because it's it's gripping stuff.
The four most listened to episodes of this podcast were
(09:48):
with Phoebe Bridges, Foles, Old Jay and Mike Skinner. Which
one don't tell me? Now tell me after the ads?
Which one do you think is top of the list.
Welcome back to episode one hundred and fifty of Midnight Chats.
(10:09):
Before those ads, I asked you, Greg, what is the
most popular episode that we've put out At the top
four to choose from Mike Skinner, Phoebe Bridges, Foles and
Old j Where are you're going?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I'm not even sure there's an obvious winner there. It's
not like you were like one of them was Beyonce. Yeah,
she's that. The invitation for Beyonce to come on is
still very much open the way Phoebe Bridges. I'm going
to go, Phoebe Bridges.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
It's Old Jay, is he?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Episode ever?
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah, wow, they're all up there. There's not much in
it amongst those like they're all in our little group together?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
O they what they're like the sort of the fly?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, yeah, how interesting? Yeah, I remember, and I remember
Skinner for a really long time was number one, wasn't
it Like he was always at the top there? But yeah,
Old Jay swooped in terribly recorded that one. Like the
audio on that is if please don't go back and
listen to it now because the audio is so quiet.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I really yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
We there's so many episodes like that. I think like,
now we've got these posh micsy, We've got like the
Instagram going on. Yeah, everything sounds nice. We've got Flow
who we work with with masters everything and makes it
all sound brilliant. But back then we were really plucking in.
I wasn't even listening, you know, there was no headphones
there was nothing was there. It was really really shit.
(11:35):
It was pretty low fi. Yeah, yeah, that's where we
went from. So we were a moment ago. We talked
about episode one of the podcast. David Kuma came in
one late night into the into our creaky office. But
then but basically we just really enjoyed doing it, didn't we.
So we just started making more of them. We didn't
really have anything particularly in mind apart from let's carry
(11:55):
on making this podcast and speaking to lists that we like,
and so and so we did and and you know,
in those it just sort of started to gain a
little bit bit of momentum. And I think more important
than anything was that we just liked making it to
go out and have these long conversations with artists and
to be able to share them and they and importantly
crucially me, they seem to quite like it as well,
(12:18):
which takes us so well because we want to share it.
We want to revisit some of our standout episodes. I'm
not going to say best, because I think we've picked
some of these that we want to take you, dear
listeners back to with us, but this one felt pretty major.
I've already mentioned this, but on episode sixteen, Mike Skinner
(12:38):
agreed to come on the podcast, which was a big
deal for us because we were still very young as
a podcast and also Mike Skinner wasn't doing anything like
this in that particular pocket of his career, so it's
actually pretty rare to do anything. And he just turned
up at our office one day, didn't he He did? Yeah,
you're right, like he wasn't. The streets were over. I
(12:59):
had had a meeting with his manager beforehand, which is
the only time that's happened. Like normally we don't there's
no prep. I mean, there's no screening process. You know,
people just say yes or no. But his manager came in,
had a meeting with me, and one of the things says,
I do not mention the streets. The streets are off
the table. We're not going to mention that. About a
(13:19):
month after we recorded this podcast, he announced that they
were reforming. But maybe that's why do you want to
mention it? But yeah, he turned up and it was
one of those things where you're like, oh, maybe this
actually could be something, this podcast because Mike Skinner was
like a next level up. I'm going to pay a
little clip from it, very short clip this. This is
(13:42):
where he told me something that I thought at the
time very juicy. It's a juicy news. I was excited
to hear him say this to me.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
I did the music for the in Betweeners film and
it was ended up being you and you know they
I ended up on a percentage of that film because
they I don't think they really wanted to spend much
money on it, and it ended up being the highest
grossing British comedy of all time. So what I ended
(14:15):
up getting was insane, absolutely insane. Wow.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
At the time when they when they suggested that was
the deal, did you think, did you?
Speaker 6 (14:27):
I was thinking, I was thinking of Luke Luke Skywalker.
Luke Skywalker didn't take a cut. I'm taking a cut.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I mean, no one knows, yeah, no one.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
No one thinks they're making Star Wars do they really?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
But I just like the fact that he was so
forthcoming to about money. I also just thought, that's an
incredible fact that Mike skinner a wrote the music for
the in between Us movie, which makes the most sense ever.
But the fact that he took a percentage of that
film and that film became the highest grossing British comedy
of all time made six million. It was made for
(15:01):
like three million, right film? Okay, and and he got
he got a cut of that. So yeah, Mike's Skinner
episode sixteen, it really felt like it was we were
on our way then, like we were, we were, we
were doing something. And I certainly felt a little bit
star struck by that one because I was such a
(15:23):
huge Streets fan. I remember you even though we were
I did the interview, you hung around in the office
film to turn up because you wanted to meet him.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Absolutely. It was a completely one of those where I was,
you know, I was like, well, I could go to
the cafe now and you could just message me and
say when you're when he's been and gone. I was like, no,
what I'm gonna do is gonna wait for him to
knock on the door and then I'm gonna go I'm
just on my way out. And so yeah, that was me.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
He hung around afterwards, We had a little chat afterwards,
which which is always a good sign. And he was early.
That never happens. He was early. So thanks, Mike's gonna
who have you got? Let's way one of your.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Well, speaking of heroes, without any doubt, one of my
heroes is K Tempest. I love K Tempest pretty much
everything they've ever done, every novel they've written, every poem,
every album they've made. I do think they are the
closest thing we have to like a modern day genius.
(16:21):
So this was episode seventy six, what an absolute legend,
an amazing interview. Went to go and meet them in
a tiny little office space of like their PR company.
What was weird was there was a picture appeared on
the cover of Loud and Quiet magazine, not that much,
only like a year or two before, I think, and
(16:43):
so they were staring at a picture of their own
face on the wall as we recorded this podcast. But
it was just everything that I hoped it would be
and more. And I love this story of where CA's
talking about recording the album The Book of Traps and
Lessons out in Los Angeles at at the legendary Rick
Rubens Malaby studio and little visitor pops in to listen.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Up and coming artist pops in exactly listen to this.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I read some quotes from Rick saying that jay Z
it really got into jay Z's head what he heard
and it affected what he wrote for the next album
that he made so I.
Speaker 7 (17:23):
Don't know if it's chill or not, but I definitely
I remember him listening and he was really moved, and
then he was like, you know, can I play some
of my demos?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I was just go out of his phone.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
The whole time. It's like you're trying to like, remember,
I mean, just a conversation between two creative people about creativity,
like you've got to balance it somehow. There's a part
of you that's like, oh my god. But then you
have to just be like, come on, like why are
you doing like this? This is just the persons who
loves language like I do. And how exciting to be
(18:01):
able to have a conversation with him about his lyricism
or about mine or about music. But obviously he's learned.
He's got so much he's learned in his life. All
I could think about was like, I'm one step away
from Beyonce.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I think about me.
Speaker 7 (18:16):
I was just like, man, I suppose she's like almost
she's more like a goddess, isn't she than him? He's like,
she's like completely unbelievable, just such power, And that's that's
I didn't meet her.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
And You're like, jay Z, this is great. I'm really
enjoying speaking to you. But I don't suppose beyond that
in the car, is she because I really liked to
meet you. I didn't mean that.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
It's just like a funny thing, isn't it. It's like
a different, different world, different universe. It was magnificent that
Rick felt good enough about our music to play it
to someone so important as jay Z. And it was
really cool that he came and listened to the demos.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I think that would probably ruin my life. What if
listen to your podcast just like, oh, it's not getting
better than that.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
So casual about the fact that it's like a complete
life highlight.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, I love that episode with one of my absolute
favorites of all time.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Do you want to hear Jarvis Cocker telling me about
the plans he had for his fifty seventh birthday?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yes? Yes. And also I should note when we got
Jarvis Cocker to come onto the podcast, it was also
celebrating a significance. Yeah, Midnight Chat's birthday.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Right, Yeah, number one hundred. It was during lockdown. You
know what? Actually I know, I said, don't listen back
to the episode so you can listen to the jervis
one because one everything he says is incredible because he's
Jarvis Cocker. He says it in Jarvis Cocker's voice, very dry.
The reason I chose this clip is just because I
think it's very funny. But there were loads in this Yeah,
(19:48):
and being the audio sort of Nazi that I am,
Javis recorded his own voice. We did this remotely over
zoom because it was in lockdown and he had an
incredible recorder. His audio was much better than my audio was,
and he was great company. But this is him talking
about it was his birthday the week before, and I'd
(20:09):
asked him about his birthday a bit and it says
some very funny things about this. And then he told
me about this plan. He had to have his fifty
seventh birthday like this.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
It was a good birthday this year I had. At
one point I had grandiose ideas for it because I
was fifty seven. So I came up with this heinz concept.
I thought, well, heines their trademark is fifty seven varieties.
So I thought, well, I'll invite people. That's one of
(20:43):
the reasons why I'm down here in London. I thought, well,
I'll come to London, because there's quite a few people
that I haven't seen for a long time because of
the lockdown and everything, and restrictions seemed to have been
eased little. So maybe we could meet out in a
garden and we could have a picnic, and all the
food on the picnic would be Hinds products. But then
(21:05):
when I actually looked at what Hind's made, once you
get past tomato ketchup beans and tomato soup, it starts
to get pretty rank really quickly, and you probably would
have a lot of people being physically ill if they
had to eat nothing that Hinds stuff for a whole meal.
(21:26):
So I was quite lucky that they brought in the
rule of six and kind of put paid to any
idea for social gathering.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, they saved your blushes for that because and your guests.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
They saved your guests.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Really.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Yeah, actually, no one would ever have come to a
party that I gave. Ever again, I think salad cream
is okay. Sandwich spread divides people. Some people like it,
some people say it looks like someone's been sick on
a slice of breads.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Come on everywhere, every job, He's come on every week.
This is a man who's currently in the middle of
an American tour with Pulp, and there he is talking
about how a sandwich spread looks like a vomit. I've
just got visions of, Like Jarvis has got lots of
famous friends, right, and you can just imagine he's gathering
six of the most famous people in music in a
(22:32):
garden to serve them some salad cream, some sandwich spread
and some baked beans and sausages in a can. Just exceptional.
I mean, what what else is there to say about that? Nothing?
Let's move on, oh dear. So keeping kind of on
(22:52):
the theme of Lockdown, I got to speak to Matt
burning It from the National again, an absolute hero of mine,
back in twenty twenty. This was about five months after
the lockdown, or after Lockdown has started, so again I
was speaking to Matt. He was at home in the state,
so I was in North London that point. And the
(23:13):
reason that I went to revisit this one is like
a complete gear change from hearing about Jarvis Cocker in
his tomato soup. I just when I flick back through
the catalog of Midnight Chats, like this is just the
one episode that just that takes me exactly to a
time in a place, because it was a really like
heartwarming conversation. He was releasing his solo album at that
(23:35):
time called Serpentine Prison, and this whole album was dedicated
to his dad, who's got a very close relationship. Just
like days after recording this episode, talking about loads of
conversation was about Matt's father, Like, I lost my dad
and then I became a dad within like a few weeks,
and I just can't help But when I scrolled back
through those episodes of Midnight Chats, and I'm like, I
know exactly where it was and how I was feeling
(23:57):
that week. So that is a very very indulgent reason
for why it's played its clip. But the more important
thing is that if people wonder you visit it. It
is one of my favorite episodes that we've ever done.
And this is, uh, this is not being very funny
about his own dad and his own family.
Speaker 8 (24:11):
I sent my mom a link, a drop back links
links to it all. But they they I think they
Mom just figures that barely knows how to do it.
Nobody's been figured out how to put anybody's phones there.
I keep asked my sister, just put it on their phone.
I think I sent them a stream, but they don't
know what a stream is. You know, my dad, he
thinks he's going to take a walk if if he's like.
Speaker 9 (24:32):
Oh, good, there's a stream where there's a stream nearby,
well let's go take a walk and see what's in
the stream.
Speaker 8 (24:37):
And now I was like, no, no, that's my record for
you anyway. Yeah, so but he's you know, they they've
heard it.
Speaker 9 (24:43):
They love it.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
And and I talked to I talked to my dad.
I've been talking to my.
Speaker 9 (24:46):
Dad a lot lately during COVID, and my parents have
been really uh, it's been really nice. I've always been
really close with my mom and dad and my sister
and my brother.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
COVID's made me really I think I I was quite
protective over my parents before COVID, and maybe really I
don't know if it was like the same view in
the early days when it was like lockdown, I was
like video calling and every other day, just what have
you been doing today?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
And how are you doing today?
Speaker 5 (25:12):
As if just like it was like accelerated, as if
like a decade had passed and I was suddenly sort
of looking out at him and it hasn't really it's
sort of stuck that way. Has it been like that
for you?
Speaker 8 (25:23):
Well, my parents are so funny like that. We I
just I, you know, I send them. I just called
my mom. I was like, hey, are you still alive?
You know, and we just make fun of it.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
And you know, and they're like, oh, I am, let
me check on your father, you know, and she's.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Like, yeah.
Speaker 9 (25:38):
So we're very a lout of dark humor about all
the that's the burning is always sort of just managed
to take the darkest things and find what's what's bright
about them or or and just learn how to lean
into them. And I learned that from both my mom
and my dad all that.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
He's such a nice guy. And I remember I remember
when that came out and you'd posted it and you
had just lost your dad, and he promoted it on socials,
which lots of people don't do. And that's no shade
to the guests that don't, because if they promote this show,
that have to promote every single bit press they do,
and we fully understand why some people do and some
(26:16):
people don't. But he did, and he promoted it dedicating
the show to your dad.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah Yeah, which was so really nice.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
And like heartwarming. What a lovely man you can come
back on as well.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Man.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
What we should have done is got all of the
guests that we've ever had on Midnight Chats and invited
them into this room with us stup and I've got
a surprise for you. Now, I love cat power. Well,
I've got a story about cat power that I'll share
in a little bit. Right, I've got let's do We've
got one more, one more clip, go for it. This
one is a recent clip. Actually, it's of myself singing
(26:54):
with Annaby Savage. It's how we ended an episode that
started this series of earlier this year, in twenty twenty four.
And the reason I wanted to play this is because
there's something about I mean one, I was at an
advantage here. I know Anna, We've hung out a bit
and with friends, so it was it was an easy interview.
(27:15):
But whenever I try and think what is Midnight Chats
and when I'm going to do the interview, I'm.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Always hoping to turn it into karaoke. It's going to
end like this.
Speaker 10 (27:26):
And measure nunciated like quiet.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, then you know you sort of learn the lyrics. Yeah,
how should we end this.
Speaker 10 (27:35):
Let's do that thing where you have to sing this
song together looking at each other's mouths.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Oh do you know that one? No, just make it up.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
You just make up the song. Yeah, yeah, okay, you have.
Speaker 10 (27:44):
To sing it together. Who's leading and who's following? You
lead and I'll follow. So you just make up a
song and I will try and sing it along with you.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I think maybe you should be making it up because
I've got no musical You should lead, okay, because I
will lead us into a All.
Speaker 10 (28:00):
Okay, you ready?
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Ye?
Speaker 10 (28:02):
This was so far fun.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Wait one last time? Is it starting like that again?
Do you give me?
Speaker 10 (28:14):
No? We hope you joined?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Is so.
Speaker 10 (28:28):
Lots of love.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Wouldn't it be nice if we got on with everyone
like that on the show? Wouldn't that be good?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
It would be good. How do we do that? Speaking
of which, I think somebody asks us a question on
those lines, didn't they? People were interested about how we
how we do how we get on with the artist?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yes, that question that you're talking about was from Paula Reavers,
and it was how do you connect with an artist?
At the start of an interview? Always always going well,
kiss open malis or I do what I.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Did once with Disney Rascal, which is where he offered
me a fist bump and I went for a handshake
the cabbage.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Didn't he good?
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I never knew that inadvertently invented dizzy rascals? Yeah, did
you feel there was the whitest man alive? And also
just just how embarrassing? Man? What do I normally do?
Smile a lot, ask him how the day has been,
(29:37):
try and make a little bit of chit chat. Explained
that this is going to be really informal, and just
try and disarm them a little bit. I think it
doesn't always work, but I say more often than not,
it works. Is it true you give them a foot rub?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
I asked for a foot rub? Okay, they know. I
guess I'd do a similar thing. I do always. I
don't know you do this as well, because and I
think I probably stole this from you. Okay, when when
I when we sit down before we start for a
press record, I always sort of say what it's very casual,
and I always say by all means ask any questions
(30:16):
back to me.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, And they never do. But when they do some
I mean I say they never do. When that they
do do that because it's.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Not all you feel special I do.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I feel like, oh, they've really got the brief. They've
really got the brief. That's nice. Whereas I mean, and
of course they shouldn't have to. It's not that job.
They're not there to interview me. I'm interviewing them. But
I always say that, and then I think I normally
start because that question is about like the start of
the interview. I tend to start the interview very low key.
(30:50):
I'm not going to say, right, the band just split up?
What's happened?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
A part from when you're interviewing black media?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Actually I did that with Geordie actually, and he was
completely open to it. I thought, I just get it
out the way, and I felt quite proud of myself.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Good for being.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Brave, for you asking the brave, brave boy.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Then, it's been far too long since we've had some adverts,
so let's have some more adverts. Stick around though, because
when we come back, we're going to answer more of
your questions. We're going to do a top three, and
we are still going to do this week's beat the
Algorithm with our tips of new music to check out
before we unleash you from this one hundred and fiftieth
(31:28):
episode of the podcast coming up after this break.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
I don't listen to that many podcasts. I know they're
the new thing, and I know this one is legendary.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Right. We've got some other brilliant questions from listeners here.
Sam Coots has asked, what's the most awkward interview? Have
you got one in mind?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
What's the most awkward interview? I've got to in mind?
Speaker 3 (31:56):
A have you?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Okay, Rushen Murphy, Okay, yeah, it was awkward. It's okay
for us to name these people, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I mean, you know again, I'm just going to say
because this is something that most people ask. Most people
will ask me whenever I tell them what I do,
they say, who have you met? Who's a nightmare? Or
who's the worst person you've met?
Speaker 1 (32:17):
That what people say to you?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Yeah, all the time. Do you not get that?
Speaker 1 (32:21):
You must have some cynical thing?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah? People always want to know what like? Which artist
I've met that I didn't like? Actually, and overwhelmingly I've
only had positive experiences on this podcast and outside this podcast.
Everyone is genuinely lovely, right, Yeah, And Russie Murphy, it's
not that she's not lovely, but she's she was I
think in a bad mood. We didn't connect, we didn't jail,
(32:45):
she wouldn't do the foot rub.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
You know it was she.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I think she was just in a bad mood. I'd
met her briefly beforehand, and she was in a bad
mood that day as well, So maybe you know that
it happens. That one was awkward. And although it didn't
sound that awkward in the edit once I put it out,
the one with Ryan Adams was awkward because this was
(33:12):
before there's been certain allegations about him. Let's not get
into that.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I don't actually know where that story is right now,
and I don't want to say thing liabel as. I
had this this question in my back pocket if I
felt like it wasn't going very well, right, and it
was about the Smith's funny enough, right, because I knew
he was a huge Smith fan. And at that point
I was listening to the Johnny mart autobiography and I thought, well,
(33:36):
we can bond over that if it's not going very well.
So I pulled that out, and I pulled it out
quite quickly. I think I felt I needed it quite
quickly because it wasn't really going and I thought we
were going to be mates about the Smiths at that point,
and he was just seemed quite put out that there
was somebody else.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
That liked the band that he liked.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Oh, there was just a.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Bit of a competition there of Well, I've read the
book twice already actually, So they're the two that's that
spring to mind. I know yours. I'll say it, and
if it's wrong, we bleep the name. I say, yeah,
I don't throw anyone of the bus. Yeah, Jessica Hoop, Yeah,
(34:19):
that one, Jessica Hoop.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I want to put on record that I love Jessica
Hoop's music.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I saw at Glastonbury this year and incredible.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah she really is she get Yeah, it was again.
It's just one of those ones where I think, like
maybe I just pitched the levels of questions, just like
maybe I think it was pretty much all on me,
to be honest, Maybe I just I.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Should have said that about the other. Can I now
say that.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
About the two?
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I know you can't. I think just maybe I just,
you know, maybe I went in with something that was
a bit too light hearted that she didn't want to
talk about that day, and we just we didn't we
got on right, But I think there was just like
a certain level kind of of of challenge in the
conversation that that is absolutely fine, but as in like,
I don't yeah, I think as valid as any other interview,
(35:12):
And I don't think you can do every interview where
you come up being best friends with the artists, because
I think that's boring for everyone. It's boring for listeners,
it's for them and us. We're not Louis Theroux, Greg,
we are not Louis Theroux. And so yeah, that would
be the one that I would say was a tiny
bit awkward, but not really and certainly not in a
regrettable way.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
You hate Jessica who.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
But like, continuing on the theme of hard hitting questions, well,
Michael lapton message and said, I'd love to know which
of the guests you've had on the show who had
the smoothest hands.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Oh, thanks for that's a that's a great question. Smoothest hands. Okay.
My mind instantly goes to Kim Gordon for a separate reason,
and it's because yes, and I'm sorry to mention the
lockdown again, this was pre lockdown. Kim Gordon came on
I was a bit nervous about it anyway, because she's
(36:10):
a legend and I wanted to get it right. And
I thought, and she was so lovely and warm, but
I thought maybe she wasn't going to be so I
wanted it to be great. But it was the week
COVID was happening, Like we weren't in lockdown south By.
Southwest had been canceled that day, and there was just
talk of this virus going around. So when we met,
(36:34):
she wouldn't shake my hand. Yeah, And it was the
first experience of it, which you know became the norm, right,
didn't It Like people were crossing the street to avoid
each other within like two weeks after this. But at
that point it just felt strange to meet someone and
be feeling a bit intimidated anyway, and then to not
know whether to. I didn't put my hand out. I
(36:55):
just thought I won't because of this thing, and we didn't.
So there was just this weird shoulder barge was just
this weird moment where we did. It's the first time
whenever I meet anyone, I ever shake their hand or
hug them or touch them in some way. I'm a
very tactile man. Touching your knee now, but that didn't happen.
(37:18):
So Kim Gordon's where my mind goes to. But it's
because I don't even know she's got hands because we
didn't touch them, so I can't say it's Kim Gordon's hands.
I'm sure she's got lovely, soft hands, but my mind
probably goes to the warmest reception I got from somebody.
And this is where cap power turns up. Ah, when
I did the cap Power interview, i'd never met her before.
(37:41):
We did it in a very posh hotel room that
she was staying in here in London. My memory of
it is she did wouldn't let me leave, and I'm
sure that's wrong, and I'm sure I'm flattering myself, but
I felt we got on really well and she was
so yeah, she was lovely. So I'm going to say
that I can't remember our hands. Who have you got?
(38:03):
Is got smooth hands?
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I'm trying to think of like famous hands that I
might have touched. I touched Gordon Brown's hands once, the
ex Prime Minister of the country.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
That's why in our local pub when you're living in Kilburn,
and he came into the pub just before he lost
the election. I don't think it was my fault, but
we shook hands because he went around and shook everyone's hands,
and my god, smoothest hands I've ever touched. Gordon Brown's
my answer.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Gordon Brown's your answer. I'm looking through the list of
people we've had in this podcast that you've touched the
hands of Karen No, I've touched Karen's hands, Stephen Moultmus, Yes,
who else? Look? I mean in parlor, You've touched a
lot of magic hands.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Very famous hands.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah, I feel like I don't have as many hands
stories as you do.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Here's one for you, Greg, Hi. Greg and she loving
the podcast and have always wanted to know which guests
have made you the most star struck.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
That's from lou oh Struck. This is going way back
to the early days of the podcast. But we had
Sweatshot Boys on the podcast, which some people might be
thinking Sweatshop pust know who that is. It's Ris armed
Hemes exactly. Yeah, and Redinio Yeah, the the beat Maker
(39:19):
DJ producer and episode fifteen of Midnight Chats. If you
want to go all the way back to that one.
Riz Armored obviously multi award winning huge nomination exactly, you know,
performs as like riz Ems. I just love I've always
loved his work. I think he's like a really important,
(39:40):
vital cultural figure, and so when he stepped in the office,
I was sort of couldn't really believe me was there,
and spent most of the time thinking pretty sure ris
armed is like, is this like an AI generated version
of rizzarm Ed or is he actually in the office
with me?
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Okay, we've got one final question. Thank you for all
the questions, by the way, got so many, but we
would be here all day. I'm going to pick just
one last one, which is from James Koka, and it
is how do you feel about doing interviews and artists
flats slash homes? Does it make you feel more comfortable?
Speaker 1 (40:17):
It does for me. It depends what kind of cha
your sound, right.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I love it, I absolutely know you do. It's because
you're nosy, and I think they're more comfortable as well.
I think that's like important.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Because they always go and use a toilet and never use.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
A toilet what never? No, I think that's do.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
You Joe Toblet from Idols, Hey, how is it bad form.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
When you need to? Pa can't do that.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
No, I don't use You'd rather sit there with a
full blad myself speaking to age, that's.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Because I'm a professional. Professionals don't use the toilet. But
I always love going because I think they're really relaxed.
A couple of weeks ago, I was at Laura Marl's house.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
How do you know when you've outstaged? You? Would you do?
You leave quite quickly? After night time?
Speaker 4 (41:07):
I leave.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I normally leave if they've when they're putting the kids
to bed, that's probably when I that's normally when I go.
I should probably go right. Yeah, visce ten am, Well,
a lovely day we've had together. A j Tracy I
mentioned a moment ago what was his place like? And
anybody else who'd just been like, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Yeah, wasn't his house. It was the house of his assistant,
I believe, And I knew as soon as I went in.
I recognize it from the TV because it was a
house that I saw built on Grand designs years ago,
years ago. Had a light up dance floor, so that
(41:46):
was the tail. Yeah, and you're like houses got that?
But yeah, to answer the question, I like going to
the house. I think everyone feels more comfortable as long
as you don't use the toilet. I think everything's fine.
Just gets weird, just gets weird. It doesn't if you
turn up you run a bath. I heard that.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
I think Jota was radiator. Actually, now we've taken the
pocket so that we've done the podcast in all sorts
of places. We've done it online because people on the
other side of the world, we've done it. We've been
to visit their flats. We've done it at low and
quiet offices, We've done it in studios or wherever they
want to do it. We've also done some live episodes
of the podcast and they have been uniformly successful. Is
(42:26):
that correct?
Speaker 2 (42:28):
They've not been They've not been bad, but I've not
enjoyed them. I feel this is where you come alive.
I feel in front of an audience, in an audience situation,
it gets very Frost Nixon. You're a professional in a
way that I will never be, and you nail it.
(42:51):
I'm not comfortable up there on the stage. We've done
so much some festivals and but there was an absolute tracker. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (43:00):
I think.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
The absolute best one was when we had Self Esteem
on at the Great Escape and they put us on
at about im or something like that conference part of
a city festival. It was the weekday as well. It
was like the Thursday or the Friday, and Rebecca bless her,
(43:24):
turns up with her you know, manager, maybe one other person.
This is just before self esteem becomes like the biggest
thing going. We could never get her on this show
now and bless her.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Let's listen to this. By the way, this is two
professionals using illusion. Well, so many people are here't it.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
So was that Rebecca doing a noise? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
So anyway, we've been programmed very early in the morning.
I remember us driving down there and Rebecca was DMNs
going on the fucking one time in the morning, is
this And yeah it was. It was. It was a
white lie what you just heard there. It wasn't a
room full of people.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
I was there.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
It was there double figures.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
I don't think. I think if you were to take
out the people who had to be there. Yeah, sound guy,
yeah me Rebecca's manager. Yeah, I think it's single figures.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
But honestly, it's still one of the funnest episodes we've
ever recorded. Put it this way, more people listen to
that episode of the podcast within about eight seconds of
it being shared than were actually in the room. But yeah,
she's just what what hero really really entertaining conversation. But yeah,
needless to say, we've had quite a lot of fun
making this podcast.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Over one hundred and fifty we have. We've had such
a nice time. We to continue for as long as
we can. We've got another fifteen odd weeks of this run.
This run that we're on at the moment is huge.
It's huge. It's a forty five week run. We're about
thirty in, so we're here till the end of the
year at the very least. Thanks veryone for listening. Thank
(45:17):
you to everyone for coming on. Actually they've all been great,
even the ones that we've grumbled about a little bit,
everyone's actually been great. So thank you for that time.
Before we go, let's just do two things that we
have endeavored to do on each of these podcasts for
the rest of the year. Number one is top three.
I've got a very quick top three for you.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
We'll go on then, Yeah, let's get your top three
songs that make you cry. Top three songs that make
me cry. Oh my goodness, Johnny Cash's cover of whichitel
Ninemen yep, Bleak blak. The songs that made me cry
(46:02):
foles Spanish sahara. These are sad tears, are they? No?
That was a happy, happy, happy happy tears number three
the end credits music to Midnight Chats, because I always
know that that's the end of the episode.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Perfect answer, Yeah, perfect answer. And the final thing for
us to do before we go is beat the Algorithm. Yeah,
which is the only a second week of beat the Algorithm.
You know what, I've built a jingle for it, Greg,
have you?
Speaker 6 (46:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Hit me.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
The algorithm.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
The algorithms That is swanky.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
I did that using no I I.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Did you you use that? You?
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Does that?
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Counters? That doesn't count as does it? Robot voices.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
I think there's some blurry lines there isn't it.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
That's not that's not AI. I'm not that's not That
was all me?
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Yeah, very nice. Yeah, I appreciate that. Looking forward to
hearing it every week.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
What's going to be your tip for this week that
our listeners should check out?
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Okay, So I love this song. It's called deep Holes,
which I think is a great name for a song.
It's by Raheem red Car formerly known as the artist
Christine and the Queens, and he is now performing under
the alias of Raheem red Car and released this new
(47:31):
track just in the past week or so. Absolutely love it,
proper banger. I think that's a sign that, like the forthcoming,
it's like a body of work. I'm not sure if
you could call it an album, because I think it's
sort of like six or seven songs. It's called Hope Core.
It's coming out the end of September.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
I Want you, I say my beat the algorithm this
week is a man called Tucker Zimmerman. Do you know
this guy?
Speaker 1 (48:08):
He's start Facebook?
Speaker 2 (48:12):
No, No, Tucker Zimmerman is. He lives in Belgium. He's
American born, he's in his seventies. He's a cult figure.
He's released loads and loads of music. I'm new to him.
I think lots of people are as well, but they're not.
He's releasing an album, his debut album for the four
A D label, which is coming out in October on
the eleventh. It's called Dance of Love. He's released a
(48:33):
few tracks of it. The one that I particularly love
that I would say is a good starting point point.
It's called The Idiot's Maze.
Speaker 9 (48:49):
Around, Like.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Take me David Bowie was apparently in nineteen sixty nine,
said that Tucker Zimmerman's album was one of his favorite
albums ever.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Oh really wow.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
So he's this guy who's been very much on the
fringes doing his own thing. This new album has been
made with Big Thief. Okay and Adrian Lenka from Big
Thief sings on a lot of the songs, including the
track I just mentioned, and our voices sound beautiful together
and it's a long, folky song that doesn't really ever
(49:28):
get to the chorus. And I like songs like that
that they just sort of feel endless. Tucker Zimmerman, the
idiots maye.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
Well, that's it. That is the one hundred and fiftieth episode.
You're pretending the room fullers of faith all there sit.
I would never do that one hundred and fiftieth episode
of Midnight Chats. That is a rap on that. Thanks
for indulging this, by the way, this week, and thanks
to all of your questions that you're asking about Midnight Chats.
They were absolutely brilliant. It is. It's a lot of
(49:59):
fun for us to reave the interviews the people that
we've had on over the years. Hopefully maybe You've discovered
some episodes that you didn't even know about, that are
there in the back cattle that you want to go
back and listen to. That being said Stuart, what privilege
it has been. Let's shake hands, Oh very soft. Midnight
(50:24):
Chats is a joint production between Loud and Quiet and
Atomized Studios for iHeartRadio. It's hosted by Stuart Stubbs and
Greg Cochrane, mixed and mastered by Flow Lines, and edited
by Stuart Stubbs. Find us on Instagram and TikTok to
watch clips from our recordings.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
And much much more.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
We are Midnight Chats Pod.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
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