November 12, 2024 • 42 mins
As Kaiser Chiefs announce shows for 2025 celebrating 20 years of their debut album, with support from Razorlight, We Are Scientists, The Cribs and The Coral, Greg and Stu put their heads together to come up with an alternative bill of artists who released records 20 years ago. The Carling will be served warm and the weather will be terrible. Welcome to the inaugural Midnight Chats festival!
Also on this week's podcast, Grammy nominations and predicted winners, as little about Trump as possible, and what are the worst 3 Christmas songs.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good evening. I'm Greg Cochrane.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Good evening, I'm Stuart Stubbs. We are a couple of
journalists who've been working in independent music since the days
of MySpace.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
One night a week, we become your guide through the
week in music, because, let's face it, the algorithms have
stop working for most of us.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So we're here to share the best new underground music
and the news that you might have missed, as well
as discussing the week's biggest headlines and bringing you interviews
with some of our favorite alternative artists.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The show is called Midnight Chats. Evening everyone, and welcome
back to you, Stuart, because I feel like you picked
the best week of the entire year to go away,
have a few days off and turn your phone off
because the world collapsed in on itself. Yeah you, Whilst
we were all crying into our phones following the US
(00:50):
election result last week, you were sipping coconut water and
swimming with turtles and on behalf of everyone listening. I
just want to say I hate you so much. How
are you doing.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm good. I've just come back from the Caribbean. Greg
went to the Caribbean for a week for my mum's
seventieth birthday to celebrate that. It was lovely. I'd never
really felt like I wanted to go to the Caribbean.
It was never on my radar, but my mum wanted
to go, and oh Man, and turns out it's paradise.
It turns out all the things people say about it
(01:28):
is true. I won't get stuck into it now because
it's going to depress me, probably more than the listeners.
But you're right, it was a good time to be
away because what I realized whilst on holiday is that
my mobile provider is Three and what Three did. They've
done me a huge favor, essentially by stiffing me on
(01:49):
my contract because because Three used to have a free
roaming policy where you could just be online all the time.
It didn't matter where you were in the world. It
was just in your minutes. And I used to love
that and they've changed that and you have to pay out.
And I got now is that I'm not doing it.
I'm not paying to just be on the internet whilst
I'm away. So there were days when I left my
(02:10):
phone in my hotel what bliss. I just wasn't online
at all, and so I got to miss all of
the election. There was I mean, obviously I was aware
of it. It was it was we were in a
few bars on the night of it, and they had
CNN or on the bars, and there was a lot
of Americans in the Caribbean. You know, I know, I
knew what was going on, but I was distracted enough
(02:31):
to not not bother about it, because if I was here,
I would have just spiraled into just watching it, you know,
all night and then all of the all of the fallout.
And now I'm absolutely fine with Trump being the president
of America.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, we're not gonna we're not going to spend too
much time talking about it and depress everybody, ourselves and
everybody else. Further, you know, from the music perspective, like
the US's biggest artists were all obviously speaking out in
support of Kamala Harris, Yeah, Taylor Swift, Lady Gargar, Beyonce,
Bruce Springsteen, Eminem, Cardi, b etc. Lizzo, and then Yeah,
(03:08):
I think it's kind of felt like like everybody's just
been a bit stunned by and you know, it's sort
of like they're a little bit in grief. To be
completely honest, Ever, since then, and I think Billie Eilish
put it well. She was back on stage the next day, which,
by her own admission, was quite a difficult thing to do,
is to get up on stage and actually play a
show the day after finding out that Donald Trump was
(03:28):
going to be president of her country. Again. I don't
know if you saw this, but she said, now a
person who is a convicted let's say, convicted predator, someone
who hates women so so deeply about is about to
be our president. So this song is for all the
women out there. And that's before she played Your Power.
So yeah, kind of sums it up, really, doesn't it.
It's going to be a bumpy ride. And all I
(03:49):
can say is I am already looking forward to Kendrick
Lamar's halftime Super Bowl show in February.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
As I said, it was a lot of Americans on
the island with me, Me and my turtle friends who
I'm now I'm sort of half turtle.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I bumped into two Americans in a cave. Yeah, let's
not get into it. I was in a cave and
these two Americans came down lovely, and the first thing
they said to me, because it was just me and them,
and they said in a gave they just came down
and they said, we're so sorry about Trump. We didn't
vote for him, were it wasn't us. We're sorry, and
(04:29):
we're sort of sort of almost like bowing down to
me and say, I'm you know always, you know. And
I felt for them, and I feel for like all
the Americans who didn't vote for him. You know, lots
of people didn't vote for him, but you know, there
is no denying that lots did even one of the
popular vote work to do over there America.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
The election has been a bit of this sort of
news black hole. I feel that has sucked everything into
it the past week. So so to some people surprised,
there was the MTV emas happened last night and it
was right here in the UK. I didn't feel like
that many people knew about it, to be completely honest.
It was happening in Manchester at the brand new co
Op Arena there and just to recap if you weren't
(05:10):
across what happened last night in Manchester at the emas,
they were performers like Ray. I mean, her performance was
pretty amazing because.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
She is was this on.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I was just about to say, was this on TV?
It was obviously on MTV. It was on Channel five
in the UK. It was yeah, it's TV.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
It's still a channel.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
MTV is still a channel.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It is okay, everyone that is going to realize throughout
this episode of the podcast, because I've been on the
beach without on the internet, i am very much a
passenger along for the ride here.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
To be honest, though even by their own admission, they
probably had quite a tough year this year, do you
know what I mean? Like, not everybody's thinking about that
right now. The whole thing was just quite strange. Manchester
was sort of absent from the ceremony in a way,
like they used some New Order music in the packages
when they were showing the nominations, but like Wiam Gallagher
won an award but wasn't there. It's sort of weird, diluted,
(06:03):
quite odd thing going on there. And I think I
think the most shared thing from the whole night was
so the host was Rita Aura, and Rita Ra gave
a sort of like well measured, like quite moving tribute
to to Liam Payne from one direction, which I think
was like that was really poignant, but otherwise I think
(06:24):
quite an unremarkable night sticking on awards, the nominations for
this year's Grammys sort of snuck out on Friday a
little bit. I'm not going to list all the nominees
all the headlines because as we know, the Grammys have
eight hundred categories something like that, and basically we'll be
here till Thursday if we keep going through all of that.
But I did pick out some stuff that I thought
(06:45):
was the most interesting Studo, given that you've been like
off the radar, Congratulations to recent Midnight Chats podcast guests
Idols and Fontaine's DC REP in the UK and Ireland.
They have idolso have got a whole bunch of nominated
the Grammys, so Best Rock Performance for Gift Horse, Best
Rock Song for Gift Horse, Best Rock Album for Tank
(07:08):
and Fontein's DC They've got a nod for their album
Romance for Best Rock Album as well. But the other
sort of major headlines are that Beyonce has now made
history because she is the most nominated artist of all
time at the Grammys, because she's taken over jay Z
and do you remember from like the Grammy's never won one, Well,
she has won a Grammy. She's just never won Album
(07:30):
of the Year, and she's Album of the Year like
four times, and she's she's she's got a nomination again
in that category, but I do wonder I'm not sure
she will win it next year. And notable people that
weren't nominated in those sort of like Artists of the Year,
stroke album of the Year categories, which is probably the
biggest du a lipa not really there with radical optimism.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Rubbish album though, like to be fair, you know, a
great huge star, yeah and all of that, but yeah,
the album was the album's not a great album. I
think it's I think, I mean right, So I think
the Grammys often get it wrong. I think, like, yes,
it's madness that Lemonade didn't win Album of the Year
or Renaissance in a win Album of the Year. I
(08:16):
don't think Cowboy Cattle will, although you know what, because
it's a country record, it might have more of a
chance with the Grammys. So yeah, I don't. I think
a lot of the time they I think they've got
issues over there.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
But but I do. But do you know how many
people vote for the Grammys. Do you know how many
people are in the voting committee? On thirteen thousand.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
So this is the weird thing that I think about
the Grammys is, you know, it's amazing when we hear
a band like Fontaine's or Idols have been nominated for
a Grammy. It's like Jesus, that's incredible, well done that.
I mean, it is amazing. Regardless of how many, you know,
whatever people think about the Grammys, it is wet Leg
won two Grammys. It was that's madness, right. But you
(08:59):
know you mentioned how many categories there are. When you
watch the brittle Wards, it feels like it goes on
for quite a long time, doesn't it. There are sixteen
categories in the brittle Wards every year, sixteen and they
don't show all of them on TV. But there's sixteen categories.
The Grammys has ninety four categories. Ninety four. And what
(09:23):
I find really bizarre about the way the Grammys works
is I was in America when the Grammys were on
TV this year because we don't get it here in
the UK. It's not shown anywhere. I'm sure you can
get it on pay per view or you know, yeah,
some way or other, but it's not on just normal TV,
general TV. So I never never see it, never watch it.
But I was there and it's on CBS or whatever.
It's on like just a general channel that everyone can
(09:45):
watch it, but like the Brits is here in the UK,
so I watched it this year for the first time.
And the joke is that the Grammys ceremony goes on forever,
like that's what all the artists say, and it does.
It's ours long as programs longer than the Brits. Maybe
it's three or four hours now and throughout that genuinely,
they showed five people picking up Grammys five because there's
(10:08):
the TV Grammys that goes on forever in the big room,
and then there's a side room that goes on I
think maybe a bit earlier throughout it. It's not televised,
which is essentially where almost all of the awards are
giving out given out like ninety you know, eighty nine
of the awards are given out not on TV. That's
madness to me. We had Japanese Breakfast on the podcast
(10:30):
a couple of years ago and she'd been nominally she
didn't win, but she'd been nominated for Grammy and I
asked her all about it and she was like, yeah, yeah.
That year was held in Vegas because of COVID and
she was like, yeah it was She said, oh no,
you know, none of it's on hardly any of it's
on TV. You're in this other sort of the B
list room.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah. And then there's like the cloak room, whether it's
like who's Who's Grammy Award? Is this? Can you just
come forward? Yeah? Japanese breakfaice? Can you just come pick
up your Grammy please?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
And what is the difference between Best Rock Song and
Best Rock Performance? Like, guys, we can narrow some of
this down. Why we can combine some of these.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, exactly. Well, I mean other people that missed out.
I mean Katie Perry. I know that album got panned critically,
didn't it. Fred Again's album didn't hasn't sort of appeared
in anything easier. But the here we go. I'm going
to put you on the spot because as we know,
Album of the Year is probably the big one of
the Grammys, isn't it. So here is the list of
the nominees for the twenty twenty five Grammys Album of
(11:33):
the Year. What we're going to do, I want you
to just pick one. Tami's going to win, and we're
going to write it down, and I'm going to see
in February, because basically the Grammys happens on the second
of February and Los Angeles just before then, We're going
to reopen the envelope and tell all our listeners, remind
all our listeners just how right or wrong you got it.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
So do you want me to write it down and
want me to say it?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I want you to say it, but I'm going to
write it down at the same time, because by the
time we get there, you will definitely forgotten. The nominees
are Andre three Thousand, Bloom Sun, Beyonce, Cowboy, Carter, Yeah
Sabrina Carpenter, Short and Sweet, Charlie XCX for Brat, Jacob
Collier Your Mate for Jesse Volume four, to fair Play,
(12:13):
Jacob Billy Ailis, Hit Me, Harden's Last Chapel, Rowan, The
Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess, and Taylor Swift
A Tortured Poet's Department. So, Stu, one of those eight
albums is going to win a Grammy in February, Which
one is it?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Well, when when we were talking about the Mercuries, I
was all about Charlie and I got that I got
that wrong. I'm going to go for Charlie XCX. Here's
here's my thinking. Here's my thinking. I think right, I
think I think Beyonce could win it with Calboy Car
(12:49):
because it's a country record. I think it would almost
be sad if she did, because that's almost like the
Grammy is saying, we do really only like like the
whitest stuff in the world, right, So that's how you
have to If you're making a country record, then you've
got a chance to win it. But if you're making
you know, a distinctly blackout's go history, then you're not
(13:10):
getting it. So I think it would be sad if
she won it for that. I don't think it's her
best record. I think some of our other records should
want it, But I think she's got a chance. I
don't think Taylor Swift is going to take it because
I think that record wasn't received as well as as
past records. Chapel runs in with a chance because of
(13:31):
the zeitgeist, but I just think whereas the Mercury is
is a very British thing, and what happened, I feel
was that brat by the between any nomination and the
awards it had becomes such a favorite. She didn't really
need the award. But Americans just love to back the winner.
They just love they love like the big stuff, don't they.
(13:54):
It never goes you know, it quite. I mean John
Baptiste won it a couple of years ago, so they
do do that. But I just think Bratt became such
a cultural thing. Obviously being connected to the Kamala Harris
campaign has put it. It's so mainstream. It's probably even
more mainstream in America than it is here in the UK.
So I think I'm gonna say that, I'm just gonna
(14:17):
double down. I'm gonna say Bratt again. And if it's
not Bratt, and it could not be, then we'll just
never mention Charlie xx on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Every Okay, I'm going for Chapel Romee Man all the
way and Andre three thousand. I love the fact that
he was incredibly surprised but in fact he got a
nomination and described it as super super super super super
super duper. I'd love to see andres Mee thousands flute
record we now of the year. But do all that
pales in comparison to some enormous news about Kaija Chiefs
(14:47):
that we're going to get after these lovely lovely adverts
back in a.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Second welcome back to episode one hundred and fifty seven
of Midnight chats Kai's Achieves. Right here we go. So
a couple of weeks ago, you may have seen this,
you may not have. The kais A Chiefs announced that
(15:12):
they were going to play the whole of their debut
album Employment next year, twenty twenty five, to Market's twenty
year anniversary. Not only that, they were going to bring
some very special guests along to also play their albums
that they released in two thousand and five. Those artists
are Raizor Light, who released Up All Night, their debut album,
(15:34):
The Cribs, who released I think it was that second record,
The New Fellas, but they're going to play The New
Fellas in full. We are Scientists are going to play
with Love and Squalor in full, and the Choral are
on the bill as well, who did release their fourth
album in two thousand and five, called The Invisible Invasion.
There's no mention though, of if that's what they're doing
(15:54):
at this show, if they're going to play that, or
if they're just going to play whatever the hell they want.
That show was a now ANSWER's a one off show
is going to be taking place in leeds A Temple,
Newsom Park on May thirty. It's obviously gone down well
the announcement because Cosson now going to just tour that
debut album and they're going to They're playing like a
bunch of shows Paul Talbert, Bristol, Edinburgh, London, Brighton, depending On,
(16:17):
Brighton Beach, Cumbria at Kendall, Colin. They're going to headline
Boardmasters Festival. I don't know why we're promoting this as
much as we are. The reason the reason we're talking
about this is okay, first and first and foremost, this
is because I think this is going to be happening
a lot next year. Two thousand and five. For a
generation of music fan of which I am a member,
(16:39):
two thousand and five was considered this very like impressive year,
especially for debut albums. It was also considered in retrospect
the start of Landfill Indye, were you ever a kind
of Chiefs fan?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
No, No it wasn't. And yeah no I never really
liked them, but we should for context, which is they
also I guess this also got us thinking about this
because we were taking our early steps in music journalism
at this point, right, So where were you in two
(17:15):
thousand and five? I was in Cardiff? So I was
at university in Cardiff, and at this point I was
writing reviews and interviews from my student publication from a
student magazine. And this is the year two thousand and
five where I started doing stuff and I interviewed Hard
Fight and I interviewed The Thrills for my first two
interviews for my student magazine. Where were you in two
(17:37):
thousand and five? And what did you look like?
Speaker 3 (17:39):
More?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I feel we should should we talk about you interviewing?
Was it Richard from Hard Fire?
Speaker 4 (17:48):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I think it was a guitarist and the drammer. The
one thing you learn when you were writing for student
magazines is that you get given time with artists and
then when you go to do it, they go, hang on,
the bass player is going to do this? Well, it's
just gone to the toilet, will be back.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
In a minute.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
They go, oh, okay, But I thought I was going
to interview Alex Turner.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
That is very, very true, because I remember interviewing Idle
Wild in that year two thousand and five. I was
a big Idle Wild fan. I'd like them. When I
was a teenager, I thought I was going to get
to meet Roddy the singer, and it was a bassist
who I think might have been called Michael. And all
(18:31):
of my questions, all of my questions were obviously about
their lyrics, were about the lyrics and the songs and
you know, crap questions definitely, But at the same time
they were still aimed at one person in the band,
and Michael kept saying, yeah, I don't know that. I
don't write the songs. I played the bass. Do you
want anything about the bass lines?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Okay, take us back on track then, So, Kajie Chees,
are you excited about Kaindie Cheese performing this album? And
this is like you know, on the podcast a few
weeks ago, we were talking about when we were young
festival and they had like my Chemical Romance playing, you know,
the Black Parade in fall we get, we get the coral.
We don't get the coral. We get we are scientists.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Okay, my take on it is no, I'm not excited
to hear. I was never a Kaisa Chiefs fan. I
found them a very annoying band.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
But apart from peanut legend legends Peanuts a legend.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
We are out of that list Raise a Light, We
Are Scientists, the Cribs, the Coral, I mean, I think
We Are Scientists album. At the time, I was like,
I'm enjoyed this and funny enough, I listened to it
recently when I was painting the very room I'm in, Yeah,
and I thought, I'm going to put that on. When
this was announced, I thought, I wonder how that sounds
does is it still? Will it be a nostalgic, lovely memory?
(19:54):
It be awful? I listened to that album, and I
listened to a certain trigger, the debut album from Maximo Park,
which was also released that week. It was a very
hard forty five minutes of painting listening to Maximo Park's album.
I quite enjoyed listening.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
To We Are Scientists. Did you apply some pressure when
you were doing something?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Come on, come on, everybody.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yes, seriously that Bill. The thing I'm may seem interested
about is Razor Light, because I'm pretty sure they headlined
the Reading and Leeds Vessel of the year after. They've
been on quite a ride, a bit like the Darkness
or something. You forget just what a massive band they
were at one point in the Darkness. I saw them
flying a helicopter into Download Festival, like Raizor Light were
(20:41):
a huge deal, and then they literally dropped like a
stone and then it says if they're sort of working
their way back up again.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
So the Darkness I think had a really they've had
a great comeback because they are.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Such swifty's love them mate.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
And they do now, don't they. But Justin Hawkins, it's
so he's a very charismatic, likable man. He's got his
podcast that's doing really well. He's he's been through this
journey of being an absolute prick, which he you know,
talks about like you know, it turned him into a
monster being a rock star. All of his addictions, he's
(21:15):
talked very clearly about that mental health issues, and he's
a great advocate for all of that. So he's he's
come through the other side of it now he's completely
sober and he's rediscreconnected with his band and his brother
who's in the band, and they had a great documentary
that came out last year, which I'd recommend to everybody.
Raizor Light though lack that person Johnny Burrell's podcast is
(21:38):
what you're saying, Razor Light lack that character, don't they?
And I think that Johnny Burrell was never good at
laughing at himself, and I still don't think he is.
I don't think he's got there yet where he's okay
to make a joke about the way things were and
(21:59):
the he sort of was and has behaved. Lots of
people left his bands that he's been in for a reason,
I imagine. So I don't know. I can't I can't
see raisor Light doing a sort of comeback in the
same way the Darkness has, But I might be wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
We thought we'd have some fun with this because what
we thought we'd do is choose three artists and albums
each who are all celebrating twenty years. So it all
come out in two thousand and five next year, as
if we were going to put together our own kinds
achieves bill. Right, Yeah, So STU hit me, what are
(22:37):
the three artists straight albums that you want to see
celebrate the twentieth anniversary in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Okay, on one bill. So what we're going to do
is I'm going to do three. You'll new three. They're
going to all play one. We're going to get them
all together. I'm sure the speaks to set up, we
get all together. We'll need to choose a venue. Let's
see who the artists are before we pick the venue,
maybe because we need to see if we've got any
real bankers here. I've gone for debut albums, by the way, I've.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Just gone for albums celebrating twenty years.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Oh okay, well that's.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Fine, don't worry. Don't worry that.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
That might help with ticket sales because my list, my
list includes I think you'll have this on your list.
Tom Veck will perform the whole of We Have Sound.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I haven't got Tom Beck on my list, but I
do love that album's at two thousand and five. Wowa, Yeah.
Nine Black Alps will play Everything Is their debut album
in full mm hm, and m I A will play
the entirety of a Ruler a debut album in full. Right, Okay,
(23:48):
that's quite a billstew Who have you got? I basically
was like, right, I'm going to be honest with listeners
because I'm just going to pick three albums that I
was listening to at that point that are turning to
next year. Okay, instead of going for like the cool
ones I did look like I did. I'll be honest,
I cheated. I went and looked around the different end
of year lists what the celebrated albums of that year were,
(24:10):
and like I was, like, I could choose some quite
cool stuff here. I could have a lineup that features
Mia as you already said, yeah, I could have LCD
sound System. I could have ANTHONYA. Johnson's, which is an
album I love from that I'm a Bird Now that
won the Mercury in two thousand and five. But what
I've gone for my three band bill is World's Apart
(24:30):
by and you'll notice by the Trail of Dead, which
if listeners don't know, that album features the greatest opening
I think of an album in history. There's a song
called ode to Isis, which builds over about a minute
and a half and then go straight into a song
called will You Smile Again for Me, which is like
pure bomb bast sounds like Heaven's Colliding Is. The way
(24:51):
I would describe each year is absolutely incredible. And you'll
know Us Dead, Million Dead, Harmony, No Harmony, not even
(25:16):
Million Dead's best album. But I was listening to it
at that point and for people going who like Million
Dead would like a British post hardcore band who were
fronted by Frank Turner, who I find generally I'm not
a fan of his solo music, but I did really
love that band, and so I was listening to them
at that point, and a sign of just how well
things were going for them, they broke up in two
(25:38):
thousand and Vibe as well as releasing that album, and
they just kuded I love this part in quote they
broke up because of irreconcilable differences right, an absolute classic,
and they said it would be impossible to continue, and
then they added, We'd rather leave a good looking corpse.
Our reasons are personal and assured as they bowed out.
By the way, they're playing some shows in twenty twenty five,
(26:01):
I probably will. You will be there exactly. And my
last band on the bill Death from Above You're a Woman,
I'm a Machine, which actually came out in two thousand
and four but got released in the UK in February
twenty twenty five. So I'm going to cheat a little
bit and say that one because it beat just tracks
like Romantic Rights and Blood on Our Hands back his
stream months Like I mean, I just I loved that album.
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So those were three things that I was actually listening
to at that time. That's my three band bill. I've
got Million Dead, I've got Death from Above, and I've
got and You'll know us by the Trailer Dead. I'm
gonna be honest, suit Stu. I don't think we're going
to be millionaires anytime in these shows.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I think we can make this work. If they're all
on one and we keep the room small, I think
we're okay. So we've got am I, yeah, hey, nine
blackouts TOPPIC, trailer of Dead, Million Dead, and DFA.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I mean it's got a death in my ones from Above,
Million Dead Dead.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I think the best way to program this, I think
A needs to be at the top of the bill.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Craig, I think so.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I think. I know she's currently selling foil hats.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah, I know that.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I know there's some problems over there, but let's just
be here for the music on this one, because I mean,
we do also have nine black outs on this list. Yeah,
so Death from Above need to need to be on
just before right?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, who's opening then? Out of I think A Million
Dead have got to open, haven't they? Out of that?
Or of nine black Outs? I think nine Blackouts are
first on all right, nine blackouts are on for anyone
wanting to come. Doors will be at four and nine
black Outs will be on at five past four.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, we're doing discounted points for the first two hours.
By the way, please do come early.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, okay, then we're going to go. I think you've
got to go Million Dead after that.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah, yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah yeah, then okay, then it comes down to who
goes next, Tom Veck or.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Trail of Dead Tom Beck has to be.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
You think Tom Veck. Okay, so we've got Tom ve As.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Much as I love Tom Be, I think Millions Dead,
not Million Dead, I think, and you'll know it's by
the trailer Dead might blow him upstage, Okay, I.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Mean I think that's actually looking quite good, is it?
Juicy download fans are going to be pleased with. And
I'm black Apps. I think that'd be okay with that.
That was a band who were from Manchester, I believe
very much, reliving the Nirvana vibe, a grunge grunge rock band. Yeah,
(28:47):
so so that that's a good opener. And Dead Tom Vech,
you know that's that's good because that's working off of
m I a electronic electronic pop music. Where's this going
to go on? I mean I thinkviously the beer sponsor
is going to be Carling.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, I mean that goes without saying, well, it's going
to be called two thousand and Midnight Chants Presents two
thousand and five fest sponsored by Carling, and it's going
to be at the now deceased London Astoria.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
On the story again, it needs to be at somewhere
that exists.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
I don't think so. I think it should be somewhere
that does. I think we might do better if we
do it somewhere it doesn't exist. Don't go as big
as bricks. Then we're not selling it out. I think
we are.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I think we could do I think we could easily
do an Alexandra Palace. But Alexandra Palace is a notoriously
terrible venue here in London sound wise, nobody really wants
to go to Alexandra Palace. Let's do it outside. Let's
do it outside, but let's do it in the winter.
Let's do it. Let's do it in like February the third, Yeah,
(29:58):
the day after the Grammy's good day after the Grammys,
to really get people talking about music again. And we'll
do it. We should do it on black Heath because
I live very close to it, and because I want
to be there for the setup and meet all the
artists and check her on doing all right? Okay, while
everyone digests just how awful that sounds. Let's take have
(30:22):
a few adverts and then we'll be back after this.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Welcome back everyone. In a minute, we're gonna I've got
a great top three for each Stu, got great top
three to set you this week, and we're also going
to get into our recommendations with beat the Algorithm. But
you've been in touch our lovely humble listeners, Stu, what
are they up for us?
Speaker 2 (30:45):
This is a lovely message from Alice who got in
touch via our Instagram. And remember a couple of weeks ago,
we were talking about lyrics and I was testing you
on how well you know your lyrics, and we were
just discussing how important it is as music fans to
know the lyrics or understand the lyrics, or is it
actually fine to just embrace the music and not really
(31:06):
care what the songs are about whatsoever. And we within
that episode of the podcast, we were talking about Don't
Look Back in Anger, the Oasis song. We took a
look at the lyrics and we tried to work out
what Noel was talking about, and Alice has got in
touch with an answer. I'm going to read the whole
of her message because it also compliments us, and I've
heard on other podcasts they always keep that bit in
(31:27):
to make it, to make it sound that they're loved.
Alice said, Hey, absolutely adore the pods so much. Wanted
to get wanted to get Yeah, thanks, Alis. Wanted to
get in touch because you were talking about lyric meanings
and Oasis and I remembered from a doc that stand
up beside the Fireplace, take that look from off your
Face was about Liam and Nol's mum who used to
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make them do family photos by the fire in their
council house where she's where she still lives, I believe,
says Alice. Apparently they used to scow and she'd shout
at them to behave and that's where the line comes from.
Keep it going, guys, definitely my favorite pod music pod
out there clapping.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
A job, yeah job as much better this than we are.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
We had no idea what was going on, but that's
so that's where that goes on and that really sums
up what I love about wanting to know the lyrics,
which which we spoke about on that episode. You were like, fine,
you're fine not hearing them, but that's why I want
to know. I will now listen to that thinking that's
I've sung that song so many times and I just
(32:35):
thought that was garbling, just no making words that Ryan.
But there's a little story there. I like that. We've
also had Tom Bridges got in touch answering answering a
call for what could we call midnight Chat's listeners. I
wanted to call everybody where wolves. It hadn't gone down
(32:55):
very well. Tom has come back saying, what about midnight creepers.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I like that midnight creepers like midnight creeps out to
the creeps listening.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, so I like that, Tom, And I don't only
like it because it's one that it's the only suggestion
we've got so far. I genuinely like it. But we
have had a development on the werewolfs Okay. We will
also asked our listeners to send your best werewolf how
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and we said, we said, if you did, it would
play them on the pod. True to our word, True
to our word. Here is Kitlyn Hughes howling like a
were wolf.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Thanks for doing that clearly at four of thirty a
m at house party. Kitlyn, I hope you didn't regret
doing that and sending it to us.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Thank you to Caitlin Hughes, our original og werewolf. So
now see, now we've got a dilemma because Tom's going
for midnight creepers, embrace embrace the werewolves. I think we can.
I think let's just have both. Sometimes it'll be creeps,
sometimes it'll be sometimes it'll be were wolves. But but yeah,
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thank you for all of those messages. If you do
want to get in touch with this show at any point,
it's probably better to dm us on Instagram at midnight
chats pod, or you can drop us an email info
at loud on quiet dot com. Keep those messages coming. Now, Greg,
tell me what the top three is you want me
to know. I have, by the way, got for a
very long haul flight yesterday, so this might be very
(34:46):
very shakey, but go for it.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
May getting new excuses in early there, Steve, I am, yeah,
this week's top three then, Stu. As you know, it
is the most wonderful time of the year right now. Yes,
yesterday I walked into Savers on Royce and High Street
and bought some shampoo, and they were playing Christmas songs
because Christmas songs have already arrived and we only have
(35:08):
what seven weeks still Christmas. So, Stuart, I would like
to know from you, is the Christmas songs that you
simply cannot bear? Oh? Your top three? Please? Oh god?
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I mean the thing is mate. I quite like Christmas songs.
Which ones do I hate?
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Though?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I hate boney Ms. Is it called Mary's Boy Child's
Boy Child?
Speaker 1 (35:42):
I'm not sure it is, but I think we know
each time you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I hate it. I hate it so much. I also
really hate Santa Baby. Whoever sing it, doesn't matter who's
singing it. Kylie Mino does a version which.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Does it just make your skin crowl It's so over
the top, like sexualized, like it's creeping on Santa and it.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Just I give it. It's so overly, you know that,
Marilyn mom stew.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I'm just imagining you in one of those like skimpy Santa,
you know, short skirts.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Oh yeah, I don't mind it when I.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Sing it a baby, And I also you know, you
know the Mariah Carey one All I Want for Christmas?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
She did a version with Biba, did she She did
a Biba version. I'm sure she did. Someone will correct
me if I'm wrong. I'm sure she did a cover
of it with Bibo, which just nobody needs, Like nobody
needs another version of that song anyway, but you certainly
don't need it adjustin Biaber. So that's that would be
my third one.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Well, see you in the phone shop listening to Biba's
version of All I Want for Christmas. Beat the Algorithms.
I'll go first with this week's Beat the Algorithm then
stew I am recommending a track by an artist called
Saint Jude, who is a songwriter from South London who
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releases on a record label called Slow Dance. And the
reason why I've discovered this song is basically, we all
have record labels that put stuff out that we love,
and so always listen to what they're putting out. Slow
Dance like their work for ages. They've released music from
artists like Glows who I really like, and Uma and
Sarah Meth and Saint Jude put an album out on
(37:32):
Slow Dance a couple of years ago. Anyway, he's reversioned
a song that was on that album, and it's called
Signal to Believe to Repel Ghosts Part two, which is
a bit of a mouthful. So well, make sure that
we put a link into the show notes to our
updated Beat the Algorithm playlist. But this is what it
sounds like.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Honestly my mark at the time, see my market, give
me something to believe.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
I didn't feel more.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
I dream that I feel some kind of really some
kind of thing. Give me something to believe, Give me
something to believe.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
It has got that that South London distorted soul, grimy
vibe going on. But I really love this song and
so I've been listening to it quite a bit the
last few weeks. So there's my recommendation.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Excellent choice, Greg, I love that version of that song.
It is very King Crawl, isn't it? So one for
fans of King Krawl. I can see exactly what you're
saying about that South London grimy, distorted, blown out sound.
My track is I'm going to go for thank I've
not listened to much new music in the last week,
but I have been listening to the Leeds band Thank
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for the over the last month or two. They released
that second album on Friday, Just Gone, called I Have
a Physical Body that can be harmed. The track I'm
going to Highlight is a track that was on the
Loud and we had it as the track of the
Week on the Loud and Quiet newsletter a few weeks ago.
So if you have signed up to that, you may
(39:24):
already be fully aware of this, or maybe you're just
fully aware of thank Anyway. They released an album a
couple of years ago called Thoughtless Cruelty, which was their debut.
It was on Box Recordings, the label run by Matt
from Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs, the Newcastle
doom doom rock band. This new album is coming out
(39:46):
via has come out should I say? Via Big Scary Monsters,
the Brighton independent label. And this song is woke Fraser
and I think what this does is it show who's
this band's ability to make just very enjoyable noise rock
(40:07):
that's that's got some serious points within it, but uses
humor in quite a disarming way and it's fun.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Bad news the secsence has gone? Won't bad news? Crazier
has God? WoT what is a boid to do? Your
neighbors have God. Won't Your friends and family have gone?
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Won't.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Hi am the only one you can trust because I
will never ever go, won't.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
And I'm the only.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
One who call the hole the bullship.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Doing your own miscards listening to me. Thanks for joining
us tonight on Midnight Chats. We are off to book
a highly unsuccessful nostalgia festival headlined by m i A
featuring the Knights of Tom Veck and Nine Black Alps.
It's been a pleasure having you with us, or you creepers,
(41:18):
or you were wolves or you creeps tonight. I love
being with you. Thanks for joining us, stew I hope
that it's not too bad being back on the podcast
and not being on a beach drinking peanut ladas. So yeah,
we'll see you all next week and good night, good night.
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and Atomized Studios for iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
It's hosted by Stuart Stubbs and Greg Cochrane, mixed and
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Speaker 1 (41:50):
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Speaker 2 (41:56):
Chats pod For more information, visit loud and quiet dot com.
Good evening. I'm Greg Cochrane.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Good evening, I'm Stuart Stubbs. We are a couple of
journalists who've been working in independent music since the days
of MySpace.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
One night a week, we become your guide through the
week in music, because, let's face it, the algorithms have
stop working for most of us.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So we're here to share the best new underground music
and the news that you might have missed, as well
as discussing the week's biggest headlines and bringing you interviews
with some of our favorite alternative artists.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The show is called Midnight Chats. Evening everyone, and welcome
back to you, Stuart, because I feel like you picked
the best week of the entire year to go away,
have a few days off and turn your phone off
because the world collapsed in on itself. Yeah you, Whilst
we were all crying into our phones following the US
(00:50):
election result last week, you were sipping coconut water and
swimming with turtles and on behalf of everyone listening. I
just want to say I hate you so much. How
are you doing.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm good. I've just come back from the Caribbean. Greg
went to the Caribbean for a week for my mum's
seventieth birthday to celebrate that. It was lovely. I'd never
really felt like I wanted to go to the Caribbean.
It was never on my radar, but my mum wanted
to go, and oh Man, and turns out it's paradise.
It turns out all the things people say about it
(01:28):
is true. I won't get stuck into it now because
it's going to depress me, probably more than the listeners.
But you're right, it was a good time to be
away because what I realized whilst on holiday is that
my mobile provider is Three and what Three did. They've
done me a huge favor, essentially by stiffing me on
(01:49):
my contract because because Three used to have a free
roaming policy where you could just be online all the time.
It didn't matter where you were in the world. It
was just in your minutes. And I used to love
that and they've changed that and you have to pay out.
And I got now is that I'm not doing it.
I'm not paying to just be on the internet whilst
I'm away. So there were days when I left my
(02:10):
phone in my hotel what bliss. I just wasn't online
at all, and so I got to miss all of
the election. There was I mean, obviously I was aware
of it. It was it was we were in a
few bars on the night of it, and they had
CNN or on the bars, and there was a lot
of Americans in the Caribbean. You know, I know, I
knew what was going on, but I was distracted enough
(02:31):
to not not bother about it, because if I was here,
I would have just spiraled into just watching it, you know,
all night and then all of the all of the fallout.
And now I'm absolutely fine with Trump being the president
of America.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, we're not gonna we're not going to spend too
much time talking about it and depress everybody, ourselves and
everybody else. Further, you know, from the music perspective, like
the US's biggest artists were all obviously speaking out in
support of Kamala Harris, Yeah, Taylor Swift, Lady Gargar, Beyonce,
Bruce Springsteen, Eminem, Cardi, b etc. Lizzo, and then Yeah,
(03:08):
I think it's kind of felt like like everybody's just
been a bit stunned by and you know, it's sort
of like they're a little bit in grief. To be
completely honest, Ever, since then, and I think Billie Eilish
put it well. She was back on stage the next day, which,
by her own admission, was quite a difficult thing to do,
is to get up on stage and actually play a
show the day after finding out that Donald Trump was
(03:28):
going to be president of her country. Again. I don't
know if you saw this, but she said, now a
person who is a convicted let's say, convicted predator, someone
who hates women so so deeply about is about to
be our president. So this song is for all the
women out there. And that's before she played Your Power.
So yeah, kind of sums it up, really, doesn't it.
It's going to be a bumpy ride. And all I
(03:49):
can say is I am already looking forward to Kendrick
Lamar's halftime Super Bowl show in February.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
As I said, it was a lot of Americans on
the island with me, Me and my turtle friends who
I'm now I'm sort of half turtle.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I bumped into two Americans in a cave. Yeah, let's
not get into it. I was in a cave and
these two Americans came down lovely, and the first thing
they said to me, because it was just me and them,
and they said in a gave they just came down
and they said, we're so sorry about Trump. We didn't
vote for him, were it wasn't us. We're sorry, and
(04:29):
we're sort of sort of almost like bowing down to
me and say, I'm you know always, you know. And
I felt for them, and I feel for like all
the Americans who didn't vote for him. You know, lots
of people didn't vote for him, but you know, there
is no denying that lots did even one of the
popular vote work to do over there America.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
The election has been a bit of this sort of
news black hole. I feel that has sucked everything into
it the past week. So so to some people surprised,
there was the MTV emas happened last night and it
was right here in the UK. I didn't feel like
that many people knew about it, to be completely honest.
It was happening in Manchester at the brand new co
Op Arena there and just to recap if you weren't
(05:10):
across what happened last night in Manchester at the emas,
they were performers like Ray. I mean, her performance was
pretty amazing because.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
She is was this on.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I was just about to say, was this on TV?
It was obviously on MTV. It was on Channel five
in the UK. It was yeah, it's TV.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
It's still a channel.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
MTV is still a channel.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It is okay, everyone that is going to realize throughout
this episode of the podcast, because I've been on the
beach without on the internet, i am very much a
passenger along for the ride here.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
To be honest, though even by their own admission, they
probably had quite a tough year this year, do you
know what I mean? Like, not everybody's thinking about that
right now. The whole thing was just quite strange. Manchester
was sort of absent from the ceremony in a way,
like they used some New Order music in the packages
when they were showing the nominations, but like Wiam Gallagher
won an award but wasn't there. It's sort of weird, diluted,
(06:03):
quite odd thing going on there. And I think I
think the most shared thing from the whole night was
so the host was Rita Aura, and Rita Ra gave
a sort of like well measured, like quite moving tribute
to to Liam Payne from one direction, which I think
was like that was really poignant, but otherwise I think
(06:24):
quite an unremarkable night sticking on awards, the nominations for
this year's Grammys sort of snuck out on Friday a
little bit. I'm not going to list all the nominees
all the headlines because as we know, the Grammys have
eight hundred categories something like that, and basically we'll be
here till Thursday if we keep going through all of that.
But I did pick out some stuff that I thought
(06:45):
was the most interesting Studo, given that you've been like
off the radar, Congratulations to recent Midnight Chats podcast guests
Idols and Fontaine's DC REP in the UK and Ireland.
They have idolso have got a whole bunch of nominated
the Grammys, so Best Rock Performance for Gift Horse, Best
Rock Song for Gift Horse, Best Rock Album for Tank
(07:08):
and Fontein's DC They've got a nod for their album
Romance for Best Rock Album as well. But the other
sort of major headlines are that Beyonce has now made
history because she is the most nominated artist of all
time at the Grammys, because she's taken over jay Z
and do you remember from like the Grammy's never won one, Well,
she has won a Grammy. She's just never won Album
(07:30):
of the Year, and she's Album of the Year like
four times, and she's she's she's got a nomination again
in that category, but I do wonder I'm not sure
she will win it next year. And notable people that
weren't nominated in those sort of like Artists of the Year,
stroke album of the Year categories, which is probably the
biggest du a lipa not really there with radical optimism.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Rubbish album though, like to be fair, you know, a
great huge star, yeah and all of that, but yeah,
the album was the album's not a great album. I
think it's I think, I mean right, So I think
the Grammys often get it wrong. I think, like, yes,
it's madness that Lemonade didn't win Album of the Year
or Renaissance in a win Album of the Year. I
(08:16):
don't think Cowboy Cattle will, although you know what, because
it's a country record, it might have more of a
chance with the Grammys. So yeah, I don't. I think
a lot of the time they I think they've got
issues over there.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
But but I do. But do you know how many
people vote for the Grammys. Do you know how many
people are in the voting committee? On thirteen thousand.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
So this is the weird thing that I think about
the Grammys is, you know, it's amazing when we hear
a band like Fontaine's or Idols have been nominated for
a Grammy. It's like Jesus, that's incredible, well done that.
I mean, it is amazing. Regardless of how many, you know,
whatever people think about the Grammys, it is wet Leg
won two Grammys. It was that's madness, right. But you
(08:59):
know you mentioned how many categories there are. When you
watch the brittle Wards, it feels like it goes on
for quite a long time, doesn't it. There are sixteen
categories in the brittle Wards every year, sixteen and they
don't show all of them on TV. But there's sixteen categories.
The Grammys has ninety four categories. Ninety four. And what
(09:23):
I find really bizarre about the way the Grammys works
is I was in America when the Grammys were on
TV this year because we don't get it here in
the UK. It's not shown anywhere. I'm sure you can
get it on pay per view or you know, yeah,
some way or other, but it's not on just normal TV,
general TV. So I never never see it, never watch it.
But I was there and it's on CBS or whatever.
It's on like just a general channel that everyone can
(09:45):
watch it, but like the Brits is here in the UK,
so I watched it this year for the first time.
And the joke is that the Grammys ceremony goes on forever,
like that's what all the artists say, and it does.
It's ours long as programs longer than the Brits. Maybe
it's three or four hours now and throughout that genuinely,
they showed five people picking up Grammys five because there's
(10:08):
the TV Grammys that goes on forever in the big room,
and then there's a side room that goes on I
think maybe a bit earlier throughout it. It's not televised,
which is essentially where almost all of the awards are
giving out given out like ninety you know, eighty nine
of the awards are given out not on TV. That's
madness to me. We had Japanese Breakfast on the podcast
(10:30):
a couple of years ago and she'd been nominally she
didn't win, but she'd been nominated for Grammy and I
asked her all about it and she was like, yeah, yeah.
That year was held in Vegas because of COVID and
she was like, yeah it was She said, oh no,
you know, none of it's on hardly any of it's
on TV. You're in this other sort of the B
list room.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah. And then there's like the cloak room, whether it's
like who's Who's Grammy Award? Is this? Can you just
come forward? Yeah? Japanese breakfaice? Can you just come pick
up your Grammy please?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
And what is the difference between Best Rock Song and
Best Rock Performance? Like, guys, we can narrow some of
this down. Why we can combine some of these.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, exactly. Well, I mean other people that missed out.
I mean Katie Perry. I know that album got panned critically,
didn't it. Fred Again's album didn't hasn't sort of appeared
in anything easier. But the here we go. I'm going
to put you on the spot because as we know,
Album of the Year is probably the big one of
the Grammys, isn't it. So here is the list of
the nominees for the twenty twenty five Grammys Album of
(11:33):
the Year. What we're going to do, I want you
to just pick one. Tami's going to win, and we're
going to write it down, and I'm going to see
in February, because basically the Grammys happens on the second
of February and Los Angeles just before then, We're going
to reopen the envelope and tell all our listeners, remind
all our listeners just how right or wrong you got it.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
So do you want me to write it down and
want me to say it?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I want you to say it, but I'm going to
write it down at the same time, because by the
time we get there, you will definitely forgotten. The nominees
are Andre three Thousand, Bloom Sun, Beyonce, Cowboy, Carter, Yeah
Sabrina Carpenter, Short and Sweet, Charlie XCX for Brat, Jacob
Collier Your Mate for Jesse Volume four, to fair Play,
(12:13):
Jacob Billy Ailis, Hit Me, Harden's Last Chapel, Rowan, The
Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess, and Taylor Swift
A Tortured Poet's Department. So, Stu, one of those eight
albums is going to win a Grammy in February, Which
one is it?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Well, when when we were talking about the Mercuries, I
was all about Charlie and I got that I got
that wrong. I'm going to go for Charlie XCX. Here's
here's my thinking. Here's my thinking. I think right, I
think I think Beyonce could win it with Calboy Car
(12:49):
because it's a country record. I think it would almost
be sad if she did, because that's almost like the
Grammy is saying, we do really only like like the
whitest stuff in the world, right, So that's how you
have to If you're making a country record, then you've
got a chance to win it. But if you're making
you know, a distinctly blackout's go history, then you're not
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getting it. So I think it would be sad if
she won it for that. I don't think it's her
best record. I think some of our other records should
want it, But I think she's got a chance. I
don't think Taylor Swift is going to take it because
I think that record wasn't received as well as as
past records. Chapel runs in with a chance because of
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the zeitgeist, but I just think whereas the Mercury is
is a very British thing, and what happened, I feel
was that brat by the between any nomination and the
awards it had becomes such a favorite. She didn't really
need the award. But Americans just love to back the winner.
They just love they love like the big stuff, don't they.
(13:54):
It never goes you know, it quite. I mean John
Baptiste won it a couple of years ago, so they
do do that. But I just think Bratt became such
a cultural thing. Obviously being connected to the Kamala Harris
campaign has put it. It's so mainstream. It's probably even
more mainstream in America than it is here in the UK.
So I think I'm gonna say that, I'm just gonna
(14:17):
double down. I'm gonna say Bratt again. And if it's
not Bratt, and it could not be, then we'll just
never mention Charlie xx on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Every Okay, I'm going for Chapel Romee Man all the
way and Andre three thousand. I love the fact that
he was incredibly surprised but in fact he got a
nomination and described it as super super super super super
super duper. I'd love to see andres Mee thousands flute
record we now of the year. But do all that
pales in comparison to some enormous news about Kaija Chiefs
(14:47):
that we're going to get after these lovely lovely adverts
back in a.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Second welcome back to episode one hundred and fifty seven
of Midnight chats Kai's Achieves. Right here we go. So
a couple of weeks ago, you may have seen this,
you may not have. The kais A Chiefs announced that
(15:12):
they were going to play the whole of their debut
album Employment next year, twenty twenty five, to Market's twenty
year anniversary. Not only that, they were going to bring
some very special guests along to also play their albums
that they released in two thousand and five. Those artists
are Raizor Light, who released Up All Night, their debut album,
(15:34):
The Cribs, who released I think it was that second record,
The New Fellas, but they're going to play The New
Fellas in full. We are Scientists are going to play
with Love and Squalor in full, and the Choral are
on the bill as well, who did release their fourth
album in two thousand and five, called The Invisible Invasion.
There's no mention though, of if that's what they're doing
(15:54):
at this show, if they're going to play that, or
if they're just going to play whatever the hell they want.
That show was a now ANSWER's a one off show
is going to be taking place in leeds A Temple,
Newsom Park on May thirty. It's obviously gone down well
the announcement because Cosson now going to just tour that
debut album and they're going to They're playing like a
bunch of shows Paul Talbert, Bristol, Edinburgh, London, Brighton, depending On,
(16:17):
Brighton Beach, Cumbria at Kendall, Colin. They're going to headline
Boardmasters Festival. I don't know why we're promoting this as
much as we are. The reason the reason we're talking
about this is okay, first and first and foremost, this
is because I think this is going to be happening
a lot next year. Two thousand and five. For a
generation of music fan of which I am a member,
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two thousand and five was considered this very like impressive year,
especially for debut albums. It was also considered in retrospect
the start of Landfill Indye, were you ever a kind
of Chiefs fan?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
No, No it wasn't. And yeah no I never really
liked them, but we should for context, which is they
also I guess this also got us thinking about this
because we were taking our early steps in music journalism
at this point, right, So where were you in two
(17:15):
thousand and five? I was in Cardiff? So I was
at university in Cardiff, and at this point I was
writing reviews and interviews from my student publication from a
student magazine. And this is the year two thousand and
five where I started doing stuff and I interviewed Hard
Fight and I interviewed The Thrills for my first two
interviews for my student magazine. Where were you in two
(17:37):
thousand and five? And what did you look like?
Speaker 3 (17:39):
More?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I feel we should should we talk about you interviewing?
Was it Richard from Hard Fire?
Speaker 4 (17:48):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I think it was a guitarist and the drammer. The
one thing you learn when you were writing for student
magazines is that you get given time with artists and
then when you go to do it, they go, hang on,
the bass player is going to do this? Well, it's
just gone to the toilet, will be back.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
In a minute.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
They go, oh, okay, But I thought I was going
to interview Alex Turner.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
That is very, very true, because I remember interviewing Idle
Wild in that year two thousand and five. I was
a big Idle Wild fan. I'd like them. When I
was a teenager, I thought I was going to get
to meet Roddy the singer, and it was a bassist
who I think might have been called Michael. And all
(18:31):
of my questions, all of my questions were obviously about
their lyrics, were about the lyrics and the songs and
you know, crap questions definitely, But at the same time
they were still aimed at one person in the band,
and Michael kept saying, yeah, I don't know that. I
don't write the songs. I played the bass. Do you
want anything about the bass lines?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Okay, take us back on track then, So, Kajie Chees,
are you excited about Kaindie Cheese performing this album? And
this is like you know, on the podcast a few
weeks ago, we were talking about when we were young
festival and they had like my Chemical Romance playing, you know,
the Black Parade in fall we get, we get the coral.
We don't get the coral. We get we are scientists.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Okay, my take on it is no, I'm not excited
to hear. I was never a Kaisa Chiefs fan. I
found them a very annoying band.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
But apart from peanut legend legends Peanuts a legend.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
We are out of that list Raise a Light, We
Are Scientists, the Cribs, the Coral, I mean, I think
We Are Scientists album. At the time, I was like,
I'm enjoyed this and funny enough, I listened to it
recently when I was painting the very room I'm in, Yeah,
and I thought, I'm going to put that on. When
this was announced, I thought, I wonder how that sounds
does is it still? Will it be a nostalgic, lovely memory?
(19:54):
It be awful? I listened to that album, and I
listened to a certain trigger, the debut album from Maximo Park,
which was also released that week. It was a very
hard forty five minutes of painting listening to Maximo Park's album.
I quite enjoyed listening.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
To We Are Scientists. Did you apply some pressure when
you were doing something?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Come on, come on, everybody.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yes, seriously that Bill. The thing I'm may seem interested
about is Razor Light, because I'm pretty sure they headlined
the Reading and Leeds Vessel of the year after. They've
been on quite a ride, a bit like the Darkness
or something. You forget just what a massive band they
were at one point in the Darkness. I saw them
flying a helicopter into Download Festival, like Raizor Light were
(20:41):
a huge deal, and then they literally dropped like a
stone and then it says if they're sort of working
their way back up again.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
So the Darkness I think had a really they've had
a great comeback because they are.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Such swifty's love them mate.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
And they do now, don't they. But Justin Hawkins, it's
so he's a very charismatic, likable man. He's got his
podcast that's doing really well. He's he's been through this
journey of being an absolute prick, which he you know,
talks about like you know, it turned him into a
monster being a rock star. All of his addictions, he's
(21:15):
talked very clearly about that mental health issues, and he's
a great advocate for all of that. So he's he's
come through the other side of it now he's completely
sober and he's rediscreconnected with his band and his brother
who's in the band, and they had a great documentary
that came out last year, which I'd recommend to everybody.
Raizor Light though lack that person Johnny Burrell's podcast is
(21:38):
what you're saying, Razor Light lack that character, don't they?
And I think that Johnny Burrell was never good at
laughing at himself, and I still don't think he is.
I don't think he's got there yet where he's okay
to make a joke about the way things were and
(21:59):
the he sort of was and has behaved. Lots of
people left his bands that he's been in for a reason,
I imagine. So I don't know. I can't I can't
see raisor Light doing a sort of comeback in the
same way the Darkness has, But I might be wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
We thought we'd have some fun with this because what
we thought we'd do is choose three artists and albums
each who are all celebrating twenty years. So it all
come out in two thousand and five next year, as
if we were going to put together our own kinds
achieves bill. Right, Yeah, So STU hit me, what are
(22:37):
the three artists straight albums that you want to see
celebrate the twentieth anniversary in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Okay, on one bill. So what we're going to do
is I'm going to do three. You'll new three. They're
going to all play one. We're going to get them
all together. I'm sure the speaks to set up, we
get all together. We'll need to choose a venue. Let's
see who the artists are before we pick the venue,
maybe because we need to see if we've got any
real bankers here. I've gone for debut albums, by the way, I've.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Just gone for albums celebrating twenty years.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Oh okay, well that's.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Fine, don't worry. Don't worry that.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
That might help with ticket sales because my list, my
list includes I think you'll have this on your list.
Tom Veck will perform the whole of We Have Sound.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I haven't got Tom Beck on my list, but I
do love that album's at two thousand and five. Wowa, Yeah.
Nine Black Alps will play Everything Is their debut album
in full mm hm, and m I A will play
the entirety of a Ruler a debut album in full. Right, Okay,
(23:48):
that's quite a billstew Who have you got? I basically
was like, right, I'm going to be honest with listeners
because I'm just going to pick three albums that I
was listening to at that point that are turning to
next year. Okay, instead of going for like the cool
ones I did look like I did. I'll be honest,
I cheated. I went and looked around the different end
of year lists what the celebrated albums of that year were,
(24:10):
and like I was, like, I could choose some quite
cool stuff here. I could have a lineup that features
Mia as you already said, yeah, I could have LCD
sound System. I could have ANTHONYA. Johnson's, which is an
album I love from that I'm a Bird Now that
won the Mercury in two thousand and five. But what
I've gone for my three band bill is World's Apart
(24:30):
by and you'll notice by the Trail of Dead, which
if listeners don't know, that album features the greatest opening
I think of an album in history. There's a song
called ode to Isis, which builds over about a minute
and a half and then go straight into a song
called will You Smile Again for Me, which is like
pure bomb bast sounds like Heaven's Colliding Is. The way
(24:51):
I would describe each year is absolutely incredible. And you'll
know Us Dead, Million Dead, Harmony, No Harmony, not even
(25:16):
Million Dead's best album. But I was listening to it
at that point and for people going who like Million
Dead would like a British post hardcore band who were
fronted by Frank Turner, who I find generally I'm not
a fan of his solo music, but I did really
love that band, and so I was listening to them
at that point, and a sign of just how well
things were going for them, they broke up in two
(25:38):
thousand and Vibe as well as releasing that album, and
they just kuded I love this part in quote they
broke up because of irreconcilable differences right, an absolute classic,
and they said it would be impossible to continue, and
then they added, We'd rather leave a good looking corpse.
Our reasons are personal and assured as they bowed out.
By the way, they're playing some shows in twenty twenty five,
(26:01):
I probably will. You will be there exactly. And my
last band on the bill Death from Above You're a Woman,
I'm a Machine, which actually came out in two thousand
and four but got released in the UK in February
twenty twenty five. So I'm going to cheat a little
bit and say that one because it beat just tracks
like Romantic Rights and Blood on Our Hands back his
stream months Like I mean, I just I loved that album.
(26:23):
So those were three things that I was actually listening
to at that time. That's my three band bill. I've
got Million Dead, I've got Death from Above, and I've
got and You'll know us by the Trailer Dead. I'm
gonna be honest, suit Stu. I don't think we're going
to be millionaires anytime in these shows.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I think we can make this work. If they're all
on one and we keep the room small, I think
we're okay. So we've got am I, yeah, hey, nine
blackouts TOPPIC, trailer of Dead, Million Dead, and DFA.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I mean it's got a death in my ones from Above,
Million Dead Dead.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I think the best way to program this, I think
A needs to be at the top of the bill.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Craig, I think so.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I think. I know she's currently selling foil hats.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah, I know that.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I know there's some problems over there, but let's just
be here for the music on this one, because I mean,
we do also have nine black outs on this list. Yeah,
so Death from Above need to need to be on
just before right?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, who's opening then? Out of I think A Million
Dead have got to open, haven't they? Out of that?
Or of nine black Outs? I think nine Blackouts are
first on all right, nine blackouts are on for anyone
wanting to come. Doors will be at four and nine
black Outs will be on at five past four.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, we're doing discounted points for the first two hours.
By the way, please do come early.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, okay, then we're going to go. I think you've
got to go Million Dead after that.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah, yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah yeah, then okay, then it comes down to who
goes next, Tom Veck or.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Trail of Dead Tom Beck has to be.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
You think Tom Veck. Okay, so we've got Tom ve As.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Much as I love Tom Be, I think Millions Dead,
not Million Dead, I think, and you'll know it's by
the trailer Dead might blow him upstage, Okay, I.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Mean I think that's actually looking quite good, is it?
Juicy download fans are going to be pleased with. And
I'm black Apps. I think that'd be okay with that.
That was a band who were from Manchester, I believe
very much, reliving the Nirvana vibe, a grunge grunge rock band. Yeah,
(28:47):
so so that that's a good opener. And Dead Tom Vech,
you know that's that's good because that's working off of
m I a electronic electronic pop music. Where's this going
to go on? I mean I thinkviously the beer sponsor
is going to be Carling.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, I mean that goes without saying, well, it's going
to be called two thousand and Midnight Chants Presents two
thousand and five fest sponsored by Carling, and it's going
to be at the now deceased London Astoria.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
On the story again, it needs to be at somewhere
that exists.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
I don't think so. I think it should be somewhere
that does. I think we might do better if we
do it somewhere it doesn't exist. Don't go as big
as bricks. Then we're not selling it out. I think
we are.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I think we could do I think we could easily
do an Alexandra Palace. But Alexandra Palace is a notoriously
terrible venue here in London sound wise, nobody really wants
to go to Alexandra Palace. Let's do it outside. Let's
do it outside, but let's do it in the winter.
Let's do it. Let's do it in like February the third, Yeah,
(29:58):
the day after the Grammy's good day after the Grammys,
to really get people talking about music again. And we'll
do it. We should do it on black Heath because
I live very close to it, and because I want
to be there for the setup and meet all the
artists and check her on doing all right? Okay, while
everyone digests just how awful that sounds. Let's take have
(30:22):
a few adverts and then we'll be back after this.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Welcome back everyone. In a minute, we're gonna I've got
a great top three for each Stu, got great top
three to set you this week, and we're also going
to get into our recommendations with beat the Algorithm. But
you've been in touch our lovely humble listeners, Stu, what
are they up for us?
Speaker 2 (30:45):
This is a lovely message from Alice who got in
touch via our Instagram. And remember a couple of weeks ago,
we were talking about lyrics and I was testing you
on how well you know your lyrics, and we were
just discussing how important it is as music fans to
know the lyrics or understand the lyrics, or is it
actually fine to just embrace the music and not really
(31:06):
care what the songs are about whatsoever. And we within
that episode of the podcast, we were talking about Don't
Look Back in Anger, the Oasis song. We took a
look at the lyrics and we tried to work out
what Noel was talking about, and Alice has got in
touch with an answer. I'm going to read the whole
of her message because it also compliments us, and I've
heard on other podcasts they always keep that bit in
(31:27):
to make it, to make it sound that they're loved.
Alice said, Hey, absolutely adore the pods so much. Wanted
to get wanted to get Yeah, thanks, Alis. Wanted to
get in touch because you were talking about lyric meanings
and Oasis and I remembered from a doc that stand
up beside the Fireplace, take that look from off your
Face was about Liam and Nol's mum who used to
(31:50):
make them do family photos by the fire in their
council house where she's where she still lives, I believe,
says Alice. Apparently they used to scow and she'd shout
at them to behave and that's where the line comes from.
Keep it going, guys, definitely my favorite pod music pod
out there clapping.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
A job, yeah job as much better this than we are.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
We had no idea what was going on, but that's
so that's where that goes on and that really sums
up what I love about wanting to know the lyrics,
which which we spoke about on that episode. You were like, fine,
you're fine not hearing them, but that's why I want
to know. I will now listen to that thinking that's
I've sung that song so many times and I just
(32:35):
thought that was garbling, just no making words that Ryan.
But there's a little story there. I like that. We've
also had Tom Bridges got in touch answering answering a
call for what could we call midnight Chat's listeners. I
wanted to call everybody where wolves. It hadn't gone down
(32:55):
very well. Tom has come back saying, what about midnight creepers.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I like that midnight creepers like midnight creeps out to
the creeps listening.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, so I like that, Tom, And I don't only
like it because it's one that it's the only suggestion
we've got so far. I genuinely like it. But we
have had a development on the werewolfs Okay. We will
also asked our listeners to send your best werewolf how
(33:34):
and we said, we said, if you did, it would
play them on the pod. True to our word, True
to our word. Here is Kitlyn Hughes howling like a
were wolf.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Thanks for doing that clearly at four of thirty a
m at house party. Kitlyn, I hope you didn't regret
doing that and sending it to us.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Thank you to Caitlin Hughes, our original og werewolf. So
now see, now we've got a dilemma because Tom's going
for midnight creepers, embrace embrace the werewolves. I think we can.
I think let's just have both. Sometimes it'll be creeps,
sometimes it'll be sometimes it'll be were wolves. But but yeah,
(34:24):
thank you for all of those messages. If you do
want to get in touch with this show at any point,
it's probably better to dm us on Instagram at midnight
chats pod, or you can drop us an email info
at loud on quiet dot com. Keep those messages coming. Now, Greg,
tell me what the top three is you want me
to know. I have, by the way, got for a
very long haul flight yesterday, so this might be very
(34:46):
very shakey, but go for it.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
May getting new excuses in early there, Steve, I am, yeah,
this week's top three then, Stu. As you know, it
is the most wonderful time of the year right now. Yes,
yesterday I walked into Savers on Royce and High Street
and bought some shampoo, and they were playing Christmas songs
because Christmas songs have already arrived and we only have
(35:08):
what seven weeks still Christmas. So, Stuart, I would like
to know from you, is the Christmas songs that you
simply cannot bear? Oh? Your top three? Please? Oh god?
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I mean the thing is mate. I quite like Christmas songs.
Which ones do I hate?
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Though?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I hate boney Ms. Is it called Mary's Boy Child's
Boy Child?
Speaker 1 (35:42):
I'm not sure it is, but I think we know
each time you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I hate it. I hate it so much. I also
really hate Santa Baby. Whoever sing it, doesn't matter who's
singing it. Kylie Mino does a version which.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Does it just make your skin crowl It's so over
the top, like sexualized, like it's creeping on Santa and it.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Just I give it. It's so overly, you know that,
Marilyn mom stew.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I'm just imagining you in one of those like skimpy Santa,
you know, short skirts.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Oh yeah, I don't mind it when I.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Sing it a baby, And I also you know, you
know the Mariah Carey one All I Want for Christmas?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
She did a version with Biba, did she She did
a Biba version. I'm sure she did. Someone will correct
me if I'm wrong. I'm sure she did a cover
of it with Bibo, which just nobody needs, Like nobody
needs another version of that song anyway, but you certainly
don't need it adjustin Biaber. So that's that would be
my third one.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Well, see you in the phone shop listening to Biba's
version of All I Want for Christmas. Beat the Algorithms.
I'll go first with this week's Beat the Algorithm then
stew I am recommending a track by an artist called
Saint Jude, who is a songwriter from South London who
(37:12):
releases on a record label called Slow Dance. And the
reason why I've discovered this song is basically, we all
have record labels that put stuff out that we love,
and so always listen to what they're putting out. Slow
Dance like their work for ages. They've released music from
artists like Glows who I really like, and Uma and
Sarah Meth and Saint Jude put an album out on
(37:32):
Slow Dance a couple of years ago. Anyway, he's reversioned
a song that was on that album, and it's called
Signal to Believe to Repel Ghosts Part two, which is
a bit of a mouthful. So well, make sure that
we put a link into the show notes to our
updated Beat the Algorithm playlist. But this is what it
sounds like.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Honestly my mark at the time, see my market, give
me something to believe.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
I didn't feel more.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
I dream that I feel some kind of really some
kind of thing. Give me something to believe, Give me
something to believe.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
It has got that that South London distorted soul, grimy
vibe going on. But I really love this song and
so I've been listening to it quite a bit the
last few weeks. So there's my recommendation.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Excellent choice, Greg, I love that version of that song.
It is very King Crawl, isn't it? So one for
fans of King Krawl. I can see exactly what you're
saying about that South London grimy, distorted, blown out sound.
My track is I'm going to go for thank I've
not listened to much new music in the last week,
but I have been listening to the Leeds band Thank
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for the over the last month or two. They released
that second album on Friday, Just Gone, called I Have
a Physical Body that can be harmed. The track I'm
going to Highlight is a track that was on the
Loud and we had it as the track of the
Week on the Loud and Quiet newsletter a few weeks ago.
So if you have signed up to that, you may
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already be fully aware of this, or maybe you're just
fully aware of thank Anyway. They released an album a
couple of years ago called Thoughtless Cruelty, which was their debut.
It was on Box Recordings, the label run by Matt
from Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs, the Newcastle
doom doom rock band. This new album is coming out
(39:46):
via has come out should I say? Via Big Scary Monsters,
the Brighton independent label. And this song is woke Fraser
and I think what this does is it show who's
this band's ability to make just very enjoyable noise rock
(40:07):
that's that's got some serious points within it, but uses
humor in quite a disarming way and it's fun.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Bad news the secsence has gone? Won't bad news? Crazier
has God? WoT what is a boid to do? Your
neighbors have God. Won't Your friends and family have gone?
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Won't.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Hi am the only one you can trust because I
will never ever go, won't.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
And I'm the only.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
One who call the hole the bullship.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Doing your own miscards listening to me. Thanks for joining
us tonight on Midnight Chats. We are off to book
a highly unsuccessful nostalgia festival headlined by m i A
featuring the Knights of Tom Veck and Nine Black Alps.
It's been a pleasure having you with us, or you creepers,
(41:18):
or you were wolves or you creeps tonight. I love
being with you. Thanks for joining us, stew I hope
that it's not too bad being back on the podcast
and not being on a beach drinking peanut ladas. So yeah,
we'll see you all next week and good night, good night.
(41:38):
Midnight Chats is a joint production between Loud and Quiet
and Atomized Studios for iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
It's hosted by Stuart Stubbs and Greg Cochrane, mixed and
mastered by Flow Lines, and edited by Stuart Stubbs.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Find us on Instagram and TikTok to watch clips from
our recordings and much much more. We are Midnight
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Chats pod For more information, visit loud and quiet dot com.
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