The Coachella lineup is out, and often it can tell us a lot about what to expect from the year ahead. But how does 2025's bill stand up, when did Coachella become so powerful, and was it Greg attending in 2012 with a hologram to Tupac that made all other celebrities want to go?
Away from our tales of the festival (Stuart has also been to Coachella, but with little affect on its popularity), on episode 159 of Midnight Chats we review the new surprise release from Kendrick Lamar 'GNX' and spare a thought for Drake at this difficult time. Kate Nash has become the latest musician to start an OnlyFans to fund her artistry. And what does the strange BBC Sound of 2025 poll tell us about public appetite for new music?
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BBC Sound of 2025 – established artists tipped for success
Kate Nash: 'My arse is shining a light on a this problem'
Denzel Curry cover feature interview – Loud And Quiet
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good evening, I'm Greg Cochrane.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Good evening, I'm Stuart Stubbs. We are a couple of
journalists who've been working in independent music since the days
of MySpace.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
One night a week, we become your guides through the
week in music, because, let's face it, the algorithms have
stop working for most of us.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So we're here to share the best new underground music
and the news that you might have missed, as well
as discussing the week's biggest headlines and bringing you interviews
with some of our favorite alternative artists.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
The show is called Midnight Chats.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Welcome to this week's episode of Midnight Chats. Tonight, on
the podcast, we are going to be talking about the
very strange BBC Sound of twenty five poll that came
out last week. There's some odd things going on with that,
so we're going to unpack that a little bit. We're
going to talk also about once again, I should say,
(00:53):
only fans and artists turning to OnlyFans to try to
fund being artists, which is something we spoke about a
few weeks ago, and we're back again already with another
artist that's doing this, and we're going to talk about
Coachella twenty twenty five, and how the last week's announcement
of who is going to be playing Coachella really sets
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the tone for certain things that will probably be happening
in next year's calendar for music. Before all of that, though,
a couple of weeks ago, we were talking about album
releases and how we have seen a return of big
album release campaigns and big build ups to album releases,
(01:35):
and how people had stopped just surprise releasing albums out
of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, that's gone, that's dead.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Nobody nobody does no literally, nobody does that anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And I predicted that if anyone were to do it again,
the next person would probably be Frank Ocean. That was
my prediction at the end of that podcast. And then
on Friday of last week at noon local time, about
five o'clock here in the UK, Kendrick Lamar dropped a
new album called GNX, And of course it was going
(02:07):
to be Kendrick. You know, you know when something happens
and you're like, ah, that was so obvious. You know,
Kendrick has had a ridiculous year when you consider how
little music he's put out. He's not had an album
until this surprise. Well now he's still got seven Grammy nominations.
He's been selected to play the Super Bowl halftime show
(02:28):
in February. In the new year, he had that huge,
very public beef with Drake where they were trading dis
tracks back and forth, of which he was the clear winner.
Within that rote the biggest song of the year is
not like us. Of course he had something ready to go,
ready to go. And also here's the thing, right. I
(02:48):
also said on that podcast that I don't like it
when artists just dropped things unexpectedly. I like the build up.
I like the old school teasers. I like to know
it's coming, like to prepare myself and get excited for it.
But I have to say when I saw on Instagram
on Friday evening that Kendrick had dropped in New YORKA,
(03:08):
I was very and we had my father in law
staying with us, so I couldn't listen to it there,
And then it would been rude to.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Just just shut him in a cupboard and said I'll
be back in an hour.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Yeah, So I.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Waited until he left, literally as soon as as soon
as he left on yesterday. On Sunday, I had the
album straight on you've heard it as well, what you
what your what your thoughts on it as as a record.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I'm really enjoying it, Like I too, didn't get the
chance to jump on it straight away on Friday night,
but I was excited all weekend to listen to it.
And for my money, I mean, it's Look, it's the
most successible sort of body of work I think that
probably Kendrick's ever put out.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
It feels like a collection of singles that he's been
probably working on for a while that he's put together
into this album format. Because what I love about Kendrick
is that I think, and I think it is the
sort of why is an icon, why is considered the
genius is that he exists on these two simultaneous tracks. Right,
there's like the high concept Kendrick Lamar, and then there's
(04:13):
also the Kendrick Lamar that just puts out absolute club tunes,
bangers like the Billboard Top one hundred Kendrick Lamar. You know,
the critics love Kendrick Lamar, could not have more respect.
And then also he has like enormous mainstream success, Like
those type of artists are really really special. I think,
and I think this is Kendrick. This is Billboard Hot
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one hundred Kendrick, rather than like Kendrick mister Morale and
the Big Steppers.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Kendrick, if you know what I mean. So I love it.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Like stylistically, he sounds like he's having quite a lot
of fun with it, Like his voice like what he's doing,
and his flow like he's singing. He's kind of like
like his humor comes through in it.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Quite a lot. I think Mustard, Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Is not enough, Salid, but is not enough.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
You range them, but it's not enough. Say you bigger
than myself, but it's not enough.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Him setting bad, but somebody gotta do it. Them my
foot up one a guess, but somebody gotta do it.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
Turn to TV off, Turn TV off, Turn to tv TV.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
It's now just got me very, very excited about the
fact that I thought we were going to see high
concept Kendrick Lamar come the type of the Super Bowl
show in February. But actually, what I think we'll see
is Kendrick Lamar doing how long is that Super Bowl
half half time?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
It would just be like banger banger, banger banger, won't
it And it will be like Scissor is the main guest,
and yeah, just great. I mean, there's a there's a
few things that like popped out that I thought of
real interest. One, he's brought quite a few sort of
new emerging mcs and the West Coast on this record
to platform then, which is pretty cool. And also Jack
Antonoff is produced, like co produced all but one of
(06:09):
the songs on this album, which is I don't know,
maybe a little bit unexpected, but that's one of the
headlines accessibility, I think. So the headlines from this I
think have been one of the fact that he you know,
he just dropped it out of finn Out obviously is
a big thing. The fact that Jack Antonov, mister Taylor Swift,
hip maker, Sabrina Carpenter hit maker, Lana del A hit
(06:29):
maker has.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Produced it personally magic fingers.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I think I'm not so sure on some of the
production on it, to be honest, I think I don't
particularly love the symphs being on the tracks, well as
loads of simps.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
I'm not that sure of it.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
That is the closest that Stuart Stubbs ever comes to
criticism of K Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
But a big thing is that this isn't an album
of Drake diss tracks, but it's very much got a
continual feel of animal within the album, and there are
a couple of nods to the whole Drake thing in it.
For one, Kendrick has got a sample that he has
cleared obviously with two packs at State sampling a two
(07:13):
pack track, whereas Drake got in a lot of trouble
with the TUPAC of State for using an AI for
filter on one of his distracks with Kendrick earlier this year.
So that's already like shots fired, like, yeah, you did
this thing, it didn't work for you. I'm going to
actually just get the two pack sample. It's going to
be cleared because I'm Kendrick Lamar and you're Drake and
(07:35):
you can't get this stuff that I can get. So
there's like a little there's a dig there. And also
I thought it was hilarious how within that feud with
Drake Drake, which I thought was genius of Drake at
the time the feud obviously there was only one winner
with that within that beef. But what I did think
was funny that Drake did was he named one of
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his tracks the half Part six because Kendrick had been
has a series called The Heart. He was up to
Heart Part five until now, and Kendrick named one of
his tracks the Heart Part six on this record, Kendrick
has just ignored that and just released a track called
The Heart Part six as if it's just completely void,
(08:17):
which I like as well. But what do you think
Drake does now?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
You know, let's be honest, Like Drake for all of
his like you know, musical wizardry and success, he's never
been considered like one of the all time great rappers.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
So yeah, I don't know. The honest answer is, I
have no idea.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I think that would be a lot of kind of
discussion right now, like how did the reinvention of Drake,
Like what comes next?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Or does he just like carry on?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I think he needs to He needs to come back
with something new because the problem with Drake is has
been diminishing returns for many years. I think just chucking
out another Drake record of Drake songs is not going
to do it, because I just think it's moved on,
right like hip hop's moved on, and I think even
within the mainstream, this has been such a public fight
(09:05):
with such a public winner that he's going to have
to he's going to have to switch it up some way.
I don't think he's going to go away. I think
he's going to you know, he's going to come back.
But i'd be interested to know what they're thinking now. Greg,
this BBC poll list that came out, You're used to
(09:25):
be a BBC man, I did do you'll explain what
the BBC poll is, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
So.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
BBC Sound Of is a new music kind of poll
ahead of the year to come. Basically where every year
the BBC surveys I think it's about one hundred and
eighty critics broadcast as tastemakers, people in music about who
they are basically tipping for the year ahead, for success
(09:50):
for the year ahead, and so past winners of this,
even people like Adele Sam Smith and last year was
the Last Dinner Party. Anyway, last week the long list
for this was released eleven artists, which is a strange
number because always in the past it's been twelve. And
what happens now is they share that long list and
then at the beginning of January they do a sort
of week long roll out across BBC channels including BBC
(10:12):
Radio One, where they count down the top five down
to like the number one, who is the artist who
wins the BBC Sound of twenty twenty five. Anyway, this
long list came out last week and there was definitely
some reactions of like, huh, it's a bit strange, so
you on this list had people like Chapel Roone, Ezra
Collective and English Teacher, who have both formerly won the
(10:36):
Mercury Music Prize here in the UK, and I think
there was certainly a few responses of being like, that's strange.
This is supposed to be like a new music poll
and those are very much successful and established artists, so
definitely a few people being like a few raised eyebrows.
But it turns out that basically there has been like
(10:57):
a change in the rules to who can qualify to
be on this poll, and so the BBC, within their
sort of coverage, we're just clarifying what had changed, and
so basically said previously, an artist would not be eligible
if they've had if they were the lead artist basically
on a UK number one or number two album by
the cutoff point, which is something like the end of
(11:18):
September of twenty twenty four. However, this year the rule
has changed so that it cannot be an artist who've
had more than two top ten albums in the UK
Official Albums Chart by the third of September. So if
you haven't had two albums in the top ten, then
like you're good. And obviously Chapel Rowans had one very
very big album, the Rise and Fall of the Midwest Princess.
(11:38):
Equally as re Collective, you know, they've been going for
quite a while and like would have had like decent
success with the most recent stuff, but probably not quite
so much chart success previously to that. Does Chapel Rowan
constitute being a new artist for twenty twenty five?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I'm not sure she doesn't, does she like It's it's
a strange one because I just think why have they
The question around it is why have they done that?
Why have they changed the rules to allow basically more
well known mainstream people to be on the list. And
the only thing I can really think of is have
(12:13):
they found in previous years that people don't want to
know about the new stuff, like the people who are
like checking the BBC sound off pole. Have they looked
at it in the past and thought, I don't know
any of these people, so I don't. I'm not I'm
not invested in it. And I think that's maybe quite
(12:34):
a serious question that at the end of at the
you know, at the heart of it, because is it
about engagement? Is it they put Chapelone on there and
then people, Chapelone fans talk about it and suddenly it's
you know, it's opened it to a wider audience. Are
they going for a wider audience rather than trying to
(12:54):
get new artists to a wider audience, just trying to
back the people that they I mean, the question of
is Chapelone going to have a good twenty twenty five,
I mean, there's not a question around that She's headlining
Prima Era sound like, one of the biggest festivals in Europe.
You can't question whether or not she's going to have
a successful year next year. Of course she's going to
(13:15):
have a successful year next year. It's insane to even
question it. I think it's an interesting comment on the
fact that maybe maybe people don't care about new music
as much as we'd like them too. And I think
that is a question that we you and I have
asked ourselves for years. We've run a new music magazine,
(13:36):
and it's hard. It's hard to get people interested in
new music. And a lot of the time people like
us will say, where all the new artists on here?
But the reality is if people aren't going to engage
with that list, if they're all new, then there's the
question that they have to ask themselves. Do we need
to put more well known people on it? And that's
(13:56):
obviously what I've decided to do.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
It's a sort of strange. I think it's two sided really,
because you're right, I think including those big names are
going to kind of widen the audience for the thing,
the sound of thing. But at the same time, does
it not sort of like it within the sort of
smaller industry, let's call it the music industry, people looking
at going like, hm, does it does it sort of
(14:20):
harm the relevance of it to have those artists have
already had fairly kind of significant success, Like does it
harm the reputation of it as being something that is
on new music before everything else is? Which is essentially
is that the kind of root of this as well?
So not sure, but yeah, has stirred an interest in debate,
hasn't it? As has Kate Nash's backside too, because Kate
(14:42):
Nash's Kate Nash's art has been making headlines this week,
hasn't it has?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, this is the second artist in within a month
or so that has spoken about how they are resorting
really to only fans to try to fund what they do.
We spoke about this a few weeks ago when Lily
Alla mentioned online that she's making more money through her
OnlyFans account, which is pictures of her feet, than she
(15:07):
is from streaming through Spotify. Now Kate Nash has very
publicly launched and only fans last week called butts for
tour buses. I'm pretty sure I could safely say is
of her ass. The quote that was that was put
out with this is she says, help me stay on tour,
(15:28):
pay great wages and put on high quality show by
buying a piece of my ass or merch. Don't worry
about streaming my music. I'm good for the point, not
three of a penny.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Thanks Bruv.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
This is something that we keep coming back to and
it's becoming quite boring. Really, isn't it that we have
to keep talking about the fact that new artists and
young artists and emerging artists can't afford to be artists anymore.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, I mean, I think I think the theme is
that the sort of brokenness of the music system for
certain artists of for a certain level, like Kate Nash
is like looking at the tour that she's on at
the moment in the UK and Europe, playing venues that
are about one thousand to fifteen hundred capacity, so decent
sized venues, but she's saying, like, you know, at this level,
for an artist like me, it's a passion project if
(16:16):
I'm going to go on tour because basically it doesn't
make me any money to cover all the costs pay
everybody that's like part of this fairly like this, you know,
I've gotta find other streams of income and which is
completely completely fair, right, And also that it was interesting
that then when this was announced there was obviously some
people had a lot to say about it online, some
people saying, oh, somebody sort of went her and said, oh,
(16:38):
this is quite sad that you're resorting to this, and
her response, I thought was really interesting. She said, don't
be sad that I started an only fans to fund
my tour. It's very empowering and selling picks of My
ass is fun and funny, and sex is fun and funny.
Women being in control of their bodies is vital and
something that we should just be standing by and fighting for.
(16:58):
My ass is shining a light on the problem. And honestly,
I'm such a legend for and my favorite line of
that is my ass is shining a light on the problem.
But yeah, so, I mean, you know this is we
will come back to this, you know. I think we
will just keep hearing these types of stories, albeit perhaps
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not with the sense of fun and humor that somebody
like Kate Nash comes at it from. But yeah, more
power to Kate Nash.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Absolutely absolutely, Right before we get to some adverts and
then come back, we've got we've got something we'd like
to just shout out to our fans and get you
involved in, because in a couple of weeks time, we
are going to dedicate the podcast to our Albums of
the Year and discuss what our Arms of the Year
list is that time of year everybody does this. We
certainly want to get in on that action. But we'd
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like to know what your albums.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
The year are.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
If you want your top three.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Send us your top three albums of the year, put
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get into what some of yours are as well. So
(18:14):
if you can send us your list, it'll also be
good if you could just send us a little about
why it's so good, what's so good about it, or
what you like about it.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Right then, we're.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Gonna have a few adverts now, and then we're gonna
come back and we're going to talk about Coachella Music
Festival in La. It was announced last week with its lineup,
and we're going to discuss particularly what it means for
twenty twenty five and how we feel next year is
going to shape up on the back of last week's
Coachella announcements. After these adverts.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
All right, last so since last time we spoke to it,
this year's Coachella lineup has been announced and shared. Coachella,
I'm sure everybody listening knows what Coachella is. It's the
huge festival that takes place in the Indio Valley in
California every April at.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
This point of the year.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Obviously there is like a festival lineup announcement every week.
They come thick and fast, right, So we're not going
to do that on this podcast. We're not going to
be like, Okay, what does this? You know this one
tell us about that. But I think it's fair to
say that basically, along with say Glastonbury and Primavera Sound
in Barcelona, Coachella is in that very top tier of
festivals that set the agenda, right, That's what it's known for.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Historically.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
It's known for being a festival where artists might debut
like a new show or new material or basically it's
like a statement gig, isn't it. They often like start
their whole cycle for the year they're in California at Coachella,
and we've seen loads of reunions there in the past
as well over the year. Is because they pay big
(20:01):
bucks and it's still really meaningful culturally because for example,
like Chapel Roone was there last year, and then if
you look at the kind of the way that like
her Ascent unfolded over the course of twenty twenty four,
it just went like up and up and up from there.
Every time she played a festival, the whole thing just
got bigger and bigger and bigger. Anyway, the lineup's out
for twenty twenty five for Coachella, and I guess it
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gets us thinking about what does it tell us about
what's going to happen in music in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Here's a very like brief whistle stop tour of the lineup.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
The headliners are Lady Gaga, Green Day, Post Malone, and
Travis Scott.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Now Stu.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Having looked at that Coachella poster because like the Coachella
posters like an iconic thing right when it gets shared
every year, everybody's just like scrabbling.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Around, going like who's on there?
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Like looking looking down at the different like sized type faces,
being like, who's down the poster?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Like what's going on?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
What's notable to you from looking at what's going on
at Coachella and what you think that's that means about
what's happening next year.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I like that Ammel and the Sniffers are on there,
but that's because I like that Amel and the Sniffers
a band who have been on this podcast in the past.
You mentioned them a couple of weeks ago on our
beat the Algorithm and recommended a track Chewing Gum.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
There they are a.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Band who I feel are far exceeding what they thought
they were going to do. So they were exceeding it
a long time ago, but now it feels like this
new record. A couple of weeks ago they played three nights,
three sold out nights here at the Roundhouse in London,
a big venue to do, and to do three sold
(21:38):
out nights is pretty mad that, especially for a garage
rock punk band, you know, like it seems to be
absolutely flying for them. I don't know what their profile
is in the States. I don't know if you know,
but but maybe maybe it's great, Maybe it's and maybe
(21:59):
this is going to be be the thing for them.
I've got a list here now I've I've got this
is a note from you. Actually it says Basement Jack's
ten years What is that the Basement Jack's playing Coachella.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, yeah, it's her first show? Is they haven't played
that first show shows ten years in like that? Basically,
Basement Jack's haven't played shows in a decade. But where's
your head out on that?
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (22:27):
I mean also, I'll be honest right, I found this
lineup for Coachella a little bit lackluster, and there are
some interesting things going on. Lady Gargar coming back, I
think is really interesting. She's going to release a new
album in February. TBC on the details of all that
just yet. But I'm a big fan of Lady Gaga.
I loved like the Chromatica tour. I just think that, Like,
(22:48):
I think she's incredible and I'm really excited to see
that because you know, when we wind back over the years,
when you think of like jay Z and Beyonce and
different people that have debuted incredible shows at Coachella, Like,
I think Gaga will bring something really really.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Why why is she called it Night of Chaos.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Well, she's just promising a night of chaos rather than
labeling it like the Night of Chaos show. But she's
given like she's a brief teaser about the fact.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
It's not going to come out in a puffer jacket
made of sausages. No, I don't think she I don't
think she pushed that, you know, the meat based food,
meat based clothes.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yeah, I think she could have continued with that longer
than she.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, And I think you know that the sort of
Gaga butchers, you know, in the string of independent butchers
could have been a quite you know, a rich scene
of revenue for Gag speaking.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
About Hamburgers for gls. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I mean other stuff is on the Charlie accyxes there,
but she's not headlining. She's playing just before Green Day.
Green Day feels like a strange choice to me. That's
not very zeitgeist, is It's not.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
The thing about coach right, is that essentially I think
there's been a thing where Coachella of people saying when
did Coacheller go mainstream? And I think there's also an
argument that Coacheller still isn't actually that mainstream because Coachella
one thing that they've done. I know, it's a huge festival.
It is really the US's Glastonbury, isn't it in terms
(24:16):
of event festival that everybody wants to go to, and
you know it has huge press around it. But other
than that, the top of the bill is always quite
is now quite mainstream, but underneath it there is quite
a lot of new music on there and quite strange
like Amelon and the Sniffers, for example, are I dress
but at the same time. It did start as a
(24:39):
rock festival. The first headliners of that festival were raged
against the machine Beck and Taoll and I think they
they hang on to like a green day. Yeah, let's
hang on to a green It's bit like reading and
Lee's right, Reading and Lee's is not the rock festival
it started out as. But they still want to retain
a bit of that each year, so they still do
book on band.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
So that's why I think Green Dawn on.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I mean, looking down the line up. Other things that
jumped out to me. You already mentioned Ni Kappa play
and they're obviously just having like an incredible year, so
like a notable slot at Coachella is really exciting for them.
Missy Elliott playing quite high up. I'm excited like Missy
Elliott's playing shows. Maybe she'll do something in the UK
next year. Lisa from Black Pink's playing a solo show.
There'll be absolutely insane interest in that the original Misfits
(25:23):
playing some shows because there's always usually like a rock
band or a bunk band from the past to who
they give some money to to play the show. But yeah,
broadly speaking, I I there are a few things that
I'd be really excited about there. I'll be tuning into
the stream of a few different bits, but broadly speaking,
it didn't blow my mind unlike previous years because you
(25:44):
and I have both been to Coachella. Right when you went,
when was it and who was playing?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
So I went before it was what it is now.
It was two thousand and six. Coachella now is over
two weekends and they repeat the same line up on
the second weekend. Everybody plays one weekend for over three days,
then they just hang out or tour shows around locally
in California, and then they just repeat the whole thing again,
(26:10):
which is sort of genius from the promoters because you're
just paying you know, it's all set up and ready
to go, and you're making crazy money on that second
weekend because it's all just profit right. But when I went,
it was a two day event and it was only
one weekend. They didn't repeat it the following weekend. And
when we got to La So Coachella is in the
(26:33):
middle of the desert. It's about an hour and a
half drive maybe from near Palm Springs from LA. And
whilst we were in La and we were telling people
would hear our accents and they'd say, oh, what you're
doing in La and we'd say, we're going to Coachella,
and they wouldn't know what it was. It wasn't a thing,
so this is two thousand and six. It wasn't the
thing that it is now, and it certainly wasn't covered
(26:53):
in the press. But it had some huge artists that
year it had the two headliners were Depeche Mode and Tool, who,
as I say, had like the very first Coachella in
nineteen ninety nine as well, but it also had Madonna
playing her first and so far last festival show.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Daft Punk did the Pyramid Show there, again not headlining.
It was in the tent. Kanye was there, and it
was also still the US was still a bit in
love with like Indie British India, so Franz Ferdinand were
there and the Rakes were there and Bloc Party, but
it wasn't like it is now. And I think the
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question of when does Coachella become this huge thing that
everybody knows about the year that people liked to say
tipped it over was twenty.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Twelve, which was the year that I went to. Was
That's why, then, Greg, That's why? Because I went this
because where presence turned Coachella into an international phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Greg Kardashian was there, So you were there when you
were there with the two hologram hologram exactly exactly did
you go? Did you go because you wanted to see
Tupac as a hologram at Coachella or did you just
happen to be there at this strange Well.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
We didn't know that that was going to happen. Nobody
knew because it was a surprise, wasn't it. And that's
why it was a global news story. We went because
at the Drive in reformed for that show for Coachella
that year, and so we went to Coachella to see that.
But for my money, I think that the year that
I went, and this is a toughie because you could
this is the stuff of like getting back late at night,
(28:33):
you've had a few drinks and you argue about, like,
what's the greatest lineup of all time for a certain festival.
I would make a case for the fact that the
year that I went was pretty damn good.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
So who are your headliners? You had?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
So you had Dre and Snoop did one night and
that's where the Tupac Hologram pops up.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, who with me? Stick with me?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Because it wasn't just about the headliners. So the first
night headliners was the Black Keys, followed by Swedish House Mafia.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
And I know what you're thinking. You've just said this
is the greatest lestial all the time.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
I think, hang on though, you've lost your job.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah, Doctor Dre and Snoop Dogg on another night, and
then with the two Pac Hologram and the other one
was Radiohead but look down the card though. The first
night underneath the Black Keys was Pulp Arctic Monkeys Refused
Frank Ocean Death Grips. That was on the first night.
That for me was pretty dreamy man. Second night was Radiohead.
(29:26):
Underneath Radiohead, Bonnie Bear, nol Ganagher, nol Gallagher, the Shins,
Saint Vincent, Childish Gambino, all playing just before Radiohead.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Come on, little, let's go on that one. But yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
And third, yeah, like we said, third night before the
Snoop Dogg and Dr Dre Hologram thing blew up at
the Drive in Florence and Machine the Weekend and Calvin
Harris all playing just before then.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
And you love Calvin Harris. I do.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Yeah, so big hitters, right, Like when you look back
at that, you're like wow. On each night of that festival,
they were like what would now be five headliners or something?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
So can I ask.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
You what what was it like when the Tupac hologram appeared?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Well, it was by the time I went it. Did
I think maybe that was the first year where it
happened across two weekends, right, and I was at the
second weekend, so people have been aware, knew I knew
it was coming, and so people were like waiting in
anticipation in the audience because they knew that it was
just going to be part of the show. So in
that sense, it wasn't like a surprise. It wasn't a
shock my understand.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Was it massive?
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Was it like? It wasn't the size of dre and Snoop?
Was it huge? It was like human size? It was
human size, right, yeah, So it wasn't like it not.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
The size of the stage.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Looking over them, I thought, I thought man from Ghostbusters,
That's what I thought it was.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
It was okay, right, okay.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Yeah exactly. No, it was super cool and I think
the thing that made it really attention grabbing. Wasn't just
the fact that this hologram was performing. It was the
fact that like it shouted out like the moment, like
the Coachella moment of being like it had been designed
for that headline performance and like almost did like a
call and response with the crowd, and so it felt
(31:13):
people was like what, Like That's why it was because
it felt bespoke for that moment rather than just being
a you know, a sort of projection that they could
have put on any show. It felt like, oh, this
is Tupac at Coachella in twenty twenty twelve.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I wonder how sort of shit it would look now
like the technology now, well.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
It just looks like somebody doing like a projector thing
with their phone.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, I wonder if like I wonder if it's if
it still looks like wow, that's like an incredible effect,
or if it looks a bit like some of those
like early Harry Potter films.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah maybe maybe. Well here's a hint. We're going to
come back to this in a moment.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
But I mean, any any final thoughts on Coachella before
we before we share our top freeze and beat the
algorithm with the listeners.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
This week.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Well, one thing that I think you failed to mention.
You said to me last week that you think that
because Gargar is headlining that she's that means she's going
to headline glaston Break.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Oh, nailed on. And I'm unlike you.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
I have a very good chat record for predicting headliners
and festivals.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Interesting, Okay, Well, we're going to have a few more
adverts and then we're going to come back with a
top three that you've just hinted at. And I'm going
to spend these adverts thinking if I can work out
what it is something about Harry Potter.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Welcome back everybody to tonight's episode of Midnight Chats. Now
we've reached the point of the podcast that we do
every week due where one of us sets the other
at top three. I'm going to ask you to rank
something and I want to give it your I want
to give you. I wanted to give it, give it
your all this week because I think it's a good one.
We've just been talking about Coachella, right the lineup's been announced.
(33:10):
We got onto the topic of talking about Coachella to
twenty twenty twelve, which was renowned for the fact that
there was a hologram of Tupac performing with Doctor Drey
and Snoop Talk. Now everyone from Abba to Elvis Presley
and Tupac have appeared on stage as one of those
holograms that we've just been talking about Stue this week.
I would like to know your top three artists that
(33:32):
you would never like to see brought back as a hologram. Never,
because I know you're not particularly a fan of this,
So let's who would you be like, Oh no, please
don't do that.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Okay, okay, nobody wants to see the Beatles poor. I
think the whole thing is quite tasteless, isn't it anyway?
But I'm going to say the Beatles is number one,
because I just think it would just maybe you'd have
Paul and Ringo up there as as they are now,
but you'd have you'd have John and George. John would
(34:08):
still be people's favorite. I think that's sad for Paul.
He was alive and they prefer a hologram. They prefer
a hologram to him. I don't want to put Paul
through that. So the Beatles, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Number two.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Then number two I'm going to say, I'm going to
say David Bowie, okay, because I think.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
He'd hate it.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I think he'd hate it. I think he'd hate it,
although it's hard to tell. It was also the sort
of thing that I think Bowie might be on board for,
to be honest. But I can't deal with the hysteria
around it. You remember when Bowie died and it was
very sad, but it became such a national moment of grief.
I can't deal with. I can't deal with that being
(34:56):
announced tomorrow that they're going to bring David Bowie back
to life. They would too much, so Bowie. And then
I'm going to go with Freddie Mercury, okay. And the
reason I'm going to Freddy Murray is one I think
it could happen. I think that I think that could happen,
and I want to try and put a stop to
(35:17):
it now before the idea gets out of control. And
I think I don't think Queen should have continued without him,
Like I don't you know Queen still play now call
themselves Queen and it's two of them, and I just
think that's I think that's not okay. I think that's bad,
(35:39):
bad for I love all the I love all the
Badger stuff. Brian, I love that, but I'm not into
the being Queen without Freddy, so I'm going to go
with those. They're quite obvious ones, aren't they. I presume
these had to be dead people, because if they were alive,
the answer be Jamroquai.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
On tour in twenty twenty five. So before we go,
let's leave listeners with a recommendation. It's called beat the Algorithm.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Beat the Algorithm, Beat the Algorithm.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
In the show notes of the podcast, you will find
a link to well Beat the Algorithm playlist. Every week
we update that with the songs that we're enjoying. So please,
when you have tuned out for the night, stop listening
to the podcast, go and check out that playlist. There's
loads and loads of good stuff on there. Stew, what
have you been bumping this past week?
Speaker 2 (36:33):
So I've approached this week's Beat the Algorithm in the
true idea of what we set up Beat the Algorithm for,
which was essentially to be able to say to people,
if you like dot dot dot, you should also listen
to this, and the algorithm might not necessarily send you
that way, because the algorithm is not actually that reliable.
(36:56):
So that's what I've tried to do. This is a
new band called Yah Way Nail Gun. I'm pretty sure
that's how you say that name, but I'm going to
spell it for everybody because it's hard to find otherwise.
It's y h w H Space nail Gun. They are
from New York and they are like a noise band,
(37:18):
like a post hardcore noise band, really very percussive. People
are getting very excited about their live shows. I saw
one of their live shows earlier this year, and it's
gripping stuff. They've got a very magnetic front man who
he's sort of like it doesn't bark, it's almost like
a like a metal growl that he does, and he
(37:39):
sort of hiccups around and it's he's he's really like
to watch. They are a fascinating band. I think it's
for if the algorithm might send you this way. If
you're into gilla band, previously girl band, or maybe black Midie,
this is this is my vibe. You're gonna love the
drums on this that all over the place. They've just
signed a deal with the label AD ninety three, who
(38:02):
have released lots of like interesting guitar music that's that's
not necessarily always the most digestible, but has got a
real core fan base. They're gonna have an album next year,
but the first thing they've put out it's called Penetrator.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Here's a little bit of that.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
Yahweh, nail gun.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Who are you gonna tip?
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Well, Denzil Curry, he's got a new them out. It's
called King of the Mischievous South and great weird, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:05):
And we're like longtime fans of the Florida rapper. If
you don't know Denzil Curry, I mean he's been He's
been releasing music for quite a while now, probably the
best part of a decade at least. He just played
Tier the Creatives Festival out in the States, and he's
back in the He's back in Europe next summer, and
he is speaking of amazing live shows, like Denzil Curry
is always pretty incredible live anyway.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I've been listening to that album.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
My favorite track is called Hot One features Asap Ferg
and Tia Kreine And this is what it sounds like.
Speaker 7 (39:35):
I can make money from the covered on my soul
so much drive Now I gotta get a show one day.
I'll be big but I know I'm getting close. I'll
be Denzel aka Big Oh the World in my Hands
because I took it off the show Money on my Feet,
you know, I got the ship from low I'm like
Mike when you see your mona poster like yaday, gotta.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Get run in my host.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Perpetually underrated.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
I feel it hasn't kind of reached heights yet, but
still just keeps climbing. I always really enjoy everything that
he puts out, particularly like this new album King of
the Mischievous South, and that's my favorite track from it,
so we'll add that to the playlist. And yeah, I'm
just gonna continue listening to the album. I recommend people
go and check it out.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
All right, I think we are done for another episode
of Midnight Chats. As we said earlier in the episode,
if you want to get involved in our Albums of
the Year episode in a few weeks time, please do
send us what you've been listening to this year, your
top three albums of twenty twenty four. Send them to
info land on Quiet dot com, or just drop us
(40:44):
a DM on Instagram at Midnight Chats pod. Please do
tell a friend about this podcast. Please do rate it
and just share it around. Thanks Greg, I've really enjoyed
talking to you.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Thanks Ju, I've had a good time. Lovely Goodnight.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
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Speaker 4 (41:23):
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Speaker 2 (41:24):
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Good evening, I'm Greg Cochrane.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Good evening, I'm Stuart Stubbs. We are a couple of
journalists who've been working in independent music since the days
of MySpace.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
One night a week, we become your guides through the
week in music, because, let's face it, the algorithms have
stop working for most of us.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So we're here to share the best new underground music
and the news that you might have missed, as well
as discussing the week's biggest headlines and bringing you interviews
with some of our favorite alternative artists.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
The show is called Midnight Chats.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Welcome to this week's episode of Midnight Chats. Tonight, on
the podcast, we are going to be talking about the
very strange BBC Sound of twenty five poll that came
out last week. There's some odd things going on with that,
so we're going to unpack that a little bit. We're
going to talk also about once again, I should say,
(00:53):
only fans and artists turning to OnlyFans to try to
fund being artists, which is something we spoke about a
few weeks ago, and we're back again already with another
artist that's doing this, and we're going to talk about
Coachella twenty twenty five, and how the last week's announcement
of who is going to be playing Coachella really sets
(01:15):
the tone for certain things that will probably be happening
in next year's calendar for music. Before all of that, though,
a couple of weeks ago, we were talking about album
releases and how we have seen a return of big
album release campaigns and big build ups to album releases,
(01:35):
and how people had stopped just surprise releasing albums out
of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, that's gone, that's dead.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Nobody nobody does no literally, nobody does that anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And I predicted that if anyone were to do it again,
the next person would probably be Frank Ocean. That was
my prediction at the end of that podcast. And then
on Friday of last week at noon local time, about
five o'clock here in the UK, Kendrick Lamar dropped a
new album called GNX, And of course it was going
(02:07):
to be Kendrick. You know, you know when something happens
and you're like, ah, that was so obvious. You know,
Kendrick has had a ridiculous year when you consider how
little music he's put out. He's not had an album
until this surprise. Well now he's still got seven Grammy nominations.
He's been selected to play the Super Bowl halftime show
(02:28):
in February. In the new year, he had that huge,
very public beef with Drake where they were trading dis
tracks back and forth, of which he was the clear winner.
Within that rote the biggest song of the year is
not like us. Of course he had something ready to go,
ready to go. And also here's the thing, right. I
(02:48):
also said on that podcast that I don't like it
when artists just dropped things unexpectedly. I like the build up.
I like the old school teasers. I like to know
it's coming, like to prepare myself and get excited for it.
But I have to say when I saw on Instagram
on Friday evening that Kendrick had dropped in New YORKA,
(03:08):
I was very and we had my father in law
staying with us, so I couldn't listen to it there,
And then it would been rude to.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Just just shut him in a cupboard and said I'll
be back in an hour.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Yeah, So I.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Waited until he left, literally as soon as as soon
as he left on yesterday. On Sunday, I had the
album straight on you've heard it as well, what you
what your what your thoughts on it as as a record.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I'm really enjoying it, Like I too, didn't get the
chance to jump on it straight away on Friday night,
but I was excited all weekend to listen to it.
And for my money, I mean, it's Look, it's the
most successible sort of body of work I think that
probably Kendrick's ever put out.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
It feels like a collection of singles that he's been
probably working on for a while that he's put together
into this album format. Because what I love about Kendrick
is that I think, and I think it is the
sort of why is an icon, why is considered the
genius is that he exists on these two simultaneous tracks. Right,
there's like the high concept Kendrick Lamar, and then there's
(04:13):
also the Kendrick Lamar that just puts out absolute club tunes,
bangers like the Billboard Top one hundred Kendrick Lamar. You know,
the critics love Kendrick Lamar, could not have more respect.
And then also he has like enormous mainstream success, Like
those type of artists are really really special. I think,
and I think this is Kendrick. This is Billboard Hot
(04:34):
one hundred Kendrick, rather than like Kendrick mister Morale and
the Big Steppers.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Kendrick, if you know what I mean. So I love it.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Like stylistically, he sounds like he's having quite a lot
of fun with it, Like his voice like what he's doing,
and his flow like he's singing. He's kind of like
like his humor comes through in it.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Quite a lot. I think Mustard, Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Is not enough, Salid, but is not enough.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
You range them, but it's not enough. Say you bigger
than myself, but it's not enough.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Him setting bad, but somebody gotta do it. Them my
foot up one a guess, but somebody gotta do it.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
Turn to TV off, Turn TV off, Turn to tv TV.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
It's now just got me very, very excited about the
fact that I thought we were going to see high
concept Kendrick Lamar come the type of the Super Bowl
show in February. But actually, what I think we'll see
is Kendrick Lamar doing how long is that Super Bowl
half half time?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
It would just be like banger banger, banger banger, won't
it And it will be like Scissor is the main guest,
and yeah, just great. I mean, there's a there's a
few things that like popped out that I thought of
real interest. One, he's brought quite a few sort of
new emerging mcs and the West Coast on this record
to platform then, which is pretty cool. And also Jack
Antonoff is produced, like co produced all but one of
(06:09):
the songs on this album, which is I don't know,
maybe a little bit unexpected, but that's one of the
headlines accessibility, I think. So the headlines from this I
think have been one of the fact that he you know,
he just dropped it out of finn Out obviously is
a big thing. The fact that Jack Antonov, mister Taylor Swift,
hip maker, Sabrina Carpenter hit maker, Lana del A hit
(06:29):
maker has.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Produced it personally magic fingers.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I think I'm not so sure on some of the
production on it, to be honest, I think I don't
particularly love the symphs being on the tracks, well as
loads of simps.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
I'm not that sure of it.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
That is the closest that Stuart Stubbs ever comes to
criticism of K Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
But a big thing is that this isn't an album
of Drake diss tracks, but it's very much got a
continual feel of animal within the album, and there are
a couple of nods to the whole Drake thing in it.
For one, Kendrick has got a sample that he has
cleared obviously with two packs at State sampling a two
(07:13):
pack track, whereas Drake got in a lot of trouble
with the TUPAC of State for using an AI for
filter on one of his distracks with Kendrick earlier this year.
So that's already like shots fired, like, yeah, you did
this thing, it didn't work for you. I'm going to
actually just get the two pack sample. It's going to
be cleared because I'm Kendrick Lamar and you're Drake and
(07:35):
you can't get this stuff that I can get. So
there's like a little there's a dig there. And also
I thought it was hilarious how within that feud with
Drake Drake, which I thought was genius of Drake at
the time the feud obviously there was only one winner
with that within that beef. But what I did think
was funny that Drake did was he named one of
(07:55):
his tracks the half Part six because Kendrick had been
has a series called The Heart. He was up to
Heart Part five until now, and Kendrick named one of
his tracks the Heart Part six on this record, Kendrick
has just ignored that and just released a track called
The Heart Part six as if it's just completely void,
(08:17):
which I like as well. But what do you think
Drake does now?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
You know, let's be honest, Like Drake for all of
his like you know, musical wizardry and success, he's never
been considered like one of the all time great rappers.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
So yeah, I don't know. The honest answer is, I
have no idea.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I think that would be a lot of kind of
discussion right now, like how did the reinvention of Drake,
Like what comes next?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Or does he just like carry on?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I think he needs to He needs to come back
with something new because the problem with Drake is has
been diminishing returns for many years. I think just chucking
out another Drake record of Drake songs is not going
to do it, because I just think it's moved on,
right like hip hop's moved on, and I think even
within the mainstream, this has been such a public fight
(09:05):
with such a public winner that he's going to have
to he's going to have to switch it up some way.
I don't think he's going to go away. I think
he's going to you know, he's going to come back.
But i'd be interested to know what they're thinking now. Greg,
this BBC poll list that came out, You're used to
(09:25):
be a BBC man, I did do you'll explain what
the BBC poll is, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
So.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
BBC Sound Of is a new music kind of poll
ahead of the year to come. Basically where every year
the BBC surveys I think it's about one hundred and
eighty critics broadcast as tastemakers, people in music about who
they are basically tipping for the year ahead, for success
(09:50):
for the year ahead, and so past winners of this,
even people like Adele Sam Smith and last year was
the Last Dinner Party. Anyway, last week the long list
for this was released eleven artists, which is a strange
number because always in the past it's been twelve. And
what happens now is they share that long list and
then at the beginning of January they do a sort
of week long roll out across BBC channels including BBC
(10:12):
Radio One, where they count down the top five down
to like the number one, who is the artist who
wins the BBC Sound of twenty twenty five. Anyway, this
long list came out last week and there was definitely
some reactions of like, huh, it's a bit strange, so
you on this list had people like Chapel Roone, Ezra
Collective and English Teacher, who have both formerly won the
(10:36):
Mercury Music Prize here in the UK, and I think
there was certainly a few responses of being like, that's strange.
This is supposed to be like a new music poll
and those are very much successful and established artists, so
definitely a few people being like a few raised eyebrows.
But it turns out that basically there has been like
(10:57):
a change in the rules to who can qualify to
be on this poll, and so the BBC, within their
sort of coverage, we're just clarifying what had changed, and
so basically said previously, an artist would not be eligible
if they've had if they were the lead artist basically
on a UK number one or number two album by
the cutoff point, which is something like the end of
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September of twenty twenty four. However, this year the rule
has changed so that it cannot be an artist who've
had more than two top ten albums in the UK
Official Albums Chart by the third of September. So if
you haven't had two albums in the top ten, then
like you're good. And obviously Chapel Rowans had one very
very big album, the Rise and Fall of the Midwest Princess.
(11:38):
Equally as re Collective, you know, they've been going for
quite a while and like would have had like decent
success with the most recent stuff, but probably not quite
so much chart success previously to that. Does Chapel Rowan
constitute being a new artist for twenty twenty five?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I'm not sure she doesn't, does she like It's it's
a strange one because I just think why have they
The question around it is why have they done that?
Why have they changed the rules to allow basically more
well known mainstream people to be on the list. And
the only thing I can really think of is have
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they found in previous years that people don't want to
know about the new stuff, like the people who are
like checking the BBC sound off pole. Have they looked
at it in the past and thought, I don't know
any of these people, so I don't. I'm not I'm
not invested in it. And I think that's maybe quite
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a serious question that at the end of at the
you know, at the heart of it, because is it
about engagement? Is it they put Chapelone on there and
then people, Chapelone fans talk about it and suddenly it's
you know, it's opened it to a wider audience. Are
they going for a wider audience rather than trying to
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get new artists to a wider audience, just trying to
back the people that they I mean, the question of
is Chapelone going to have a good twenty twenty five,
I mean, there's not a question around that She's headlining
Prima Era sound like, one of the biggest festivals in Europe.
You can't question whether or not she's going to have
a successful year next year. Of course she's going to
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have a successful year next year. It's insane to even
question it. I think it's an interesting comment on the
fact that maybe maybe people don't care about new music
as much as we'd like them too. And I think
that is a question that we you and I have
asked ourselves for years. We've run a new music magazine,
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and it's hard. It's hard to get people interested in
new music. And a lot of the time people like
us will say, where all the new artists on here?
But the reality is if people aren't going to engage
with that list, if they're all new, then there's the
question that they have to ask themselves. Do we need
to put more well known people on it? And that's
(13:56):
obviously what I've decided to do.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
It's a sort of strange. I think it's two sided really,
because you're right, I think including those big names are
going to kind of widen the audience for the thing,
the sound of thing. But at the same time, does
it not sort of like it within the sort of
smaller industry, let's call it the music industry, people looking
at going like, hm, does it does it sort of
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harm the relevance of it to have those artists have
already had fairly kind of significant success, Like does it
harm the reputation of it as being something that is
on new music before everything else is? Which is essentially
is that the kind of root of this as well?
So not sure, but yeah, has stirred an interest in debate,
hasn't it? As has Kate Nash's backside too, because Kate
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Nash's Kate Nash's art has been making headlines this week,
hasn't it has?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, this is the second artist in within a month
or so that has spoken about how they are resorting
really to only fans to try to fund what they do.
We spoke about this a few weeks ago when Lily
Alla mentioned online that she's making more money through her
OnlyFans account, which is pictures of her feet, than she
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is from streaming through Spotify. Now Kate Nash has very
publicly launched and only fans last week called butts for
tour buses. I'm pretty sure I could safely say is
of her ass. The quote that was that was put
out with this is she says, help me stay on tour,
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pay great wages and put on high quality show by
buying a piece of my ass or merch. Don't worry
about streaming my music. I'm good for the point, not
three of a penny.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Thanks Bruv.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
This is something that we keep coming back to and
it's becoming quite boring. Really, isn't it that we have
to keep talking about the fact that new artists and
young artists and emerging artists can't afford to be artists anymore.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, I mean, I think I think the theme is
that the sort of brokenness of the music system for
certain artists of for a certain level, like Kate Nash
is like looking at the tour that she's on at
the moment in the UK and Europe, playing venues that
are about one thousand to fifteen hundred capacity, so decent
sized venues, but she's saying, like, you know, at this level,
for an artist like me, it's a passion project if
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I'm going to go on tour because basically it doesn't
make me any money to cover all the costs pay
everybody that's like part of this fairly like this, you know,
I've gotta find other streams of income and which is
completely completely fair, right, And also that it was interesting
that then when this was announced there was obviously some
people had a lot to say about it online, some
people saying, oh, somebody sort of went her and said, oh,
(16:38):
this is quite sad that you're resorting to this, and
her response, I thought was really interesting. She said, don't
be sad that I started an only fans to fund
my tour. It's very empowering and selling picks of My
ass is fun and funny, and sex is fun and funny.
Women being in control of their bodies is vital and
something that we should just be standing by and fighting for.
(16:58):
My ass is shining a light on the problem. And honestly,
I'm such a legend for and my favorite line of
that is my ass is shining a light on the problem.
But yeah, so, I mean, you know this is we
will come back to this, you know. I think we
will just keep hearing these types of stories, albeit perhaps
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not with the sense of fun and humor that somebody
like Kate Nash comes at it from. But yeah, more
power to Kate Nash.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Absolutely absolutely, Right before we get to some adverts and
then come back, we've got we've got something we'd like
to just shout out to our fans and get you
involved in, because in a couple of weeks time, we
are going to dedicate the podcast to our Albums of
the Year and discuss what our Arms of the Year
list is that time of year everybody does this. We
certainly want to get in on that action. But we'd
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like to know what your albums.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
The year are.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
If you want your top three.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Send us your top three albums of the year, put
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and we're going to share what our top three albums,
each of our top three albums are, and we will
get into what some of yours are as well. So
(18:14):
if you can send us your list, it'll also be
good if you could just send us a little about
why it's so good, what's so good about it, or
what you like about it.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Right then, we're.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Gonna have a few adverts now, and then we're gonna
come back and we're going to talk about Coachella Music
Festival in La. It was announced last week with its lineup,
and we're going to discuss particularly what it means for
twenty twenty five and how we feel next year is
going to shape up on the back of last week's
Coachella announcements. After these adverts.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
All right, last so since last time we spoke to it,
this year's Coachella lineup has been announced and shared. Coachella,
I'm sure everybody listening knows what Coachella is. It's the
huge festival that takes place in the Indio Valley in
California every April at.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
This point of the year.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Obviously there is like a festival lineup announcement every week.
They come thick and fast, right, So we're not going
to do that on this podcast. We're not going to
be like, Okay, what does this? You know this one
tell us about that. But I think it's fair to
say that basically, along with say Glastonbury and Primavera Sound
in Barcelona, Coachella is in that very top tier of
festivals that set the agenda, right, That's what it's known for.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Historically.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
It's known for being a festival where artists might debut
like a new show or new material or basically it's
like a statement gig, isn't it. They often like start
their whole cycle for the year they're in California at Coachella,
and we've seen loads of reunions there in the past
as well over the year. Is because they pay big
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bucks and it's still really meaningful culturally because for example,
like Chapel Roone was there last year, and then if
you look at the kind of the way that like
her Ascent unfolded over the course of twenty twenty four,
it just went like up and up and up from there.
Every time she played a festival, the whole thing just
got bigger and bigger and bigger. Anyway, the lineup's out
for twenty twenty five for Coachella, and I guess it
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gets us thinking about what does it tell us about
what's going to happen in music in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Here's a very like brief whistle stop tour of the lineup.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
The headliners are Lady Gaga, Green Day, Post Malone, and
Travis Scott.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Now Stu.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Having looked at that Coachella poster because like the Coachella
posters like an iconic thing right when it gets shared
every year, everybody's just like scrabbling.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Around, going like who's on there?
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Like looking looking down at the different like sized type faces,
being like, who's down the poster?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Like what's going on?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
What's notable to you from looking at what's going on
at Coachella and what you think that's that means about
what's happening next year.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I like that Ammel and the Sniffers are on there,
but that's because I like that Amel and the Sniffers
a band who have been on this podcast in the past.
You mentioned them a couple of weeks ago on our
beat the Algorithm and recommended a track Chewing Gum.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
There they are a.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Band who I feel are far exceeding what they thought
they were going to do. So they were exceeding it
a long time ago, but now it feels like this
new record. A couple of weeks ago they played three nights,
three sold out nights here at the Roundhouse in London,
a big venue to do, and to do three sold
(21:38):
out nights is pretty mad that, especially for a garage
rock punk band, you know, like it seems to be
absolutely flying for them. I don't know what their profile
is in the States. I don't know if you know,
but but maybe maybe it's great, Maybe it's and maybe
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this is going to be be the thing for them.
I've got a list here now I've I've got this
is a note from you. Actually it says Basement Jack's
ten years What is that the Basement Jack's playing Coachella.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, yeah, it's her first show? Is they haven't played
that first show shows ten years in like that? Basically,
Basement Jack's haven't played shows in a decade. But where's
your head out on that?
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (22:27):
I mean also, I'll be honest right, I found this
lineup for Coachella a little bit lackluster, and there are
some interesting things going on. Lady Gargar coming back, I
think is really interesting. She's going to release a new
album in February. TBC on the details of all that
just yet. But I'm a big fan of Lady Gaga.
I loved like the Chromatica tour. I just think that, Like,
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I think she's incredible and I'm really excited to see
that because you know, when we wind back over the years,
when you think of like jay Z and Beyonce and
different people that have debuted incredible shows at Coachella, Like,
I think Gaga will bring something really really.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Why why is she called it Night of Chaos.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Well, she's just promising a night of chaos rather than
labeling it like the Night of Chaos show. But she's
given like she's a brief teaser about the fact.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
It's not going to come out in a puffer jacket
made of sausages. No, I don't think she I don't
think she pushed that, you know, the meat based food,
meat based clothes.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yeah, I think she could have continued with that longer
than she.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, And I think you know that the sort of
Gaga butchers, you know, in the string of independent butchers
could have been a quite you know, a rich scene
of revenue for Gag speaking.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
About Hamburgers for gls. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I mean other stuff is on the Charlie accyxes there,
but she's not headlining. She's playing just before Green Day.
Green Day feels like a strange choice to me. That's
not very zeitgeist, is It's not.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
The thing about coach right, is that essentially I think
there's been a thing where Coachella of people saying when
did Coacheller go mainstream? And I think there's also an
argument that Coacheller still isn't actually that mainstream because Coachella
one thing that they've done. I know, it's a huge festival.
It is really the US's Glastonbury, isn't it in terms
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of event festival that everybody wants to go to, and
you know it has huge press around it. But other
than that, the top of the bill is always quite
is now quite mainstream, but underneath it there is quite
a lot of new music on there and quite strange
like Amelon and the Sniffers, for example, are I dress
but at the same time. It did start as a
(24:39):
rock festival. The first headliners of that festival were raged
against the machine Beck and Taoll and I think they
they hang on to like a green day. Yeah, let's
hang on to a green It's bit like reading and
Lee's right, Reading and Lee's is not the rock festival
it started out as. But they still want to retain
a bit of that each year, so they still do
book on band.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
So that's why I think Green Dawn on.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I mean, looking down the line up. Other things that
jumped out to me. You already mentioned Ni Kappa play
and they're obviously just having like an incredible year, so
like a notable slot at Coachella is really exciting for them.
Missy Elliott playing quite high up. I'm excited like Missy
Elliott's playing shows. Maybe she'll do something in the UK
next year. Lisa from Black Pink's playing a solo show.
There'll be absolutely insane interest in that the original Misfits
(25:23):
playing some shows because there's always usually like a rock
band or a bunk band from the past to who
they give some money to to play the show. But yeah,
broadly speaking, I I there are a few things that
I'd be really excited about there. I'll be tuning into
the stream of a few different bits, but broadly speaking,
it didn't blow my mind unlike previous years because you
(25:44):
and I have both been to Coachella. Right when you went,
when was it and who was playing?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
So I went before it was what it is now.
It was two thousand and six. Coachella now is over
two weekends and they repeat the same line up on
the second weekend. Everybody plays one weekend for over three days,
then they just hang out or tour shows around locally
in California, and then they just repeat the whole thing again,
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which is sort of genius from the promoters because you're
just paying you know, it's all set up and ready
to go, and you're making crazy money on that second
weekend because it's all just profit right. But when I went,
it was a two day event and it was only
one weekend. They didn't repeat it the following weekend. And
when we got to La So Coachella is in the
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middle of the desert. It's about an hour and a
half drive maybe from near Palm Springs from LA. And
whilst we were in La and we were telling people
would hear our accents and they'd say, oh, what you're
doing in La and we'd say, we're going to Coachella,
and they wouldn't know what it was. It wasn't a thing,
so this is two thousand and six. It wasn't the
thing that it is now, and it certainly wasn't covered
(26:53):
in the press. But it had some huge artists that
year it had the two headliners were Depeche Mode and Tool, who,
as I say, had like the very first Coachella in
nineteen ninety nine as well, but it also had Madonna
playing her first and so far last festival show.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Daft Punk did the Pyramid Show there, again not headlining.
It was in the tent. Kanye was there, and it
was also still the US was still a bit in
love with like Indie British India, so Franz Ferdinand were
there and the Rakes were there and Bloc Party, but
it wasn't like it is now. And I think the
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question of when does Coachella become this huge thing that
everybody knows about the year that people liked to say
tipped it over was twenty.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Twelve, which was the year that I went to. Was
That's why, then, Greg, That's why? Because I went this
because where presence turned Coachella into an international phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Greg Kardashian was there, So you were there when you
were there with the two hologram hologram exactly exactly did
you go? Did you go because you wanted to see
Tupac as a hologram at Coachella or did you just
happen to be there at this strange Well.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
We didn't know that that was going to happen. Nobody
knew because it was a surprise, wasn't it. And that's
why it was a global news story. We went because
at the Drive in reformed for that show for Coachella
that year, and so we went to Coachella to see that.
But for my money, I think that the year that
I went, and this is a toughie because you could
this is the stuff of like getting back late at night,
(28:33):
you've had a few drinks and you argue about, like,
what's the greatest lineup of all time for a certain festival.
I would make a case for the fact that the
year that I went was pretty damn good.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
So who are your headliners? You had?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
So you had Dre and Snoop did one night and
that's where the Tupac Hologram pops up.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, who with me? Stick with me?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Because it wasn't just about the headliners. So the first
night headliners was the Black Keys, followed by Swedish House Mafia.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
And I know what you're thinking. You've just said this
is the greatest lestial all the time.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
I think, hang on though, you've lost your job.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah, Doctor Dre and Snoop Dogg on another night, and
then with the two Pac Hologram and the other one
was Radiohead but look down the card though. The first
night underneath the Black Keys was Pulp Arctic Monkeys Refused
Frank Ocean Death Grips. That was on the first night.
That for me was pretty dreamy man. Second night was Radiohead.
(29:26):
Underneath Radiohead, Bonnie Bear, nol Ganagher, nol Gallagher, the Shins,
Saint Vincent, Childish Gambino, all playing just before Radiohead.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Come on, little, let's go on that one. But yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
And third, yeah, like we said, third night before the
Snoop Dogg and Dr Dre Hologram thing blew up at
the Drive in Florence and Machine the Weekend and Calvin
Harris all playing just before then.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
And you love Calvin Harris. I do.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Yeah, so big hitters, right, Like when you look back
at that, you're like wow. On each night of that festival,
they were like what would now be five headliners or something?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
So can I ask.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
You what what was it like when the Tupac hologram appeared?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Well, it was by the time I went it. Did
I think maybe that was the first year where it
happened across two weekends, right, and I was at the
second weekend, so people have been aware, knew I knew
it was coming, and so people were like waiting in
anticipation in the audience because they knew that it was
just going to be part of the show. So in
that sense, it wasn't like a surprise. It wasn't a
shock my understand.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Was it massive?
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Was it like? It wasn't the size of dre and Snoop?
Was it huge? It was like human size? It was
human size, right, yeah, So it wasn't like it not.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
The size of the stage.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Looking over them, I thought, I thought man from Ghostbusters,
That's what I thought it was.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
It was okay, right, okay.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Yeah exactly. No, it was super cool and I think
the thing that made it really attention grabbing. Wasn't just
the fact that this hologram was performing. It was the
fact that like it shouted out like the moment, like
the Coachella moment of being like it had been designed
for that headline performance and like almost did like a
call and response with the crowd, and so it felt
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people was like what, Like That's why it was because
it felt bespoke for that moment rather than just being
a you know, a sort of projection that they could
have put on any show. It felt like, oh, this
is Tupac at Coachella in twenty twenty twelve.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I wonder how sort of shit it would look now
like the technology now, well.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
It just looks like somebody doing like a projector thing
with their phone.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, I wonder if like I wonder if it's if
it still looks like wow, that's like an incredible effect,
or if it looks a bit like some of those
like early Harry Potter films.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah maybe maybe. Well here's a hint. We're going to
come back to this in a moment.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
But I mean, any any final thoughts on Coachella before
we before we share our top freeze and beat the
algorithm with the listeners.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
This week.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Well, one thing that I think you failed to mention.
You said to me last week that you think that
because Gargar is headlining that she's that means she's going
to headline glaston Break.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Oh, nailed on. And I'm unlike you.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
I have a very good chat record for predicting headliners
and festivals.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Interesting, Okay, Well, we're going to have a few more
adverts and then we're going to come back with a
top three that you've just hinted at. And I'm going
to spend these adverts thinking if I can work out
what it is something about Harry Potter.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Welcome back everybody to tonight's episode of Midnight Chats. Now
we've reached the point of the podcast that we do
every week due where one of us sets the other
at top three. I'm going to ask you to rank
something and I want to give it your I want
to give you. I wanted to give it, give it
your all this week because I think it's a good one.
We've just been talking about Coachella, right the lineup's been announced.
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We got onto the topic of talking about Coachella to
twenty twenty twelve, which was renowned for the fact that
there was a hologram of Tupac performing with Doctor Drey
and Snoop Talk. Now everyone from Abba to Elvis Presley
and Tupac have appeared on stage as one of those
holograms that we've just been talking about Stue this week.
I would like to know your top three artists that
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you would never like to see brought back as a hologram. Never,
because I know you're not particularly a fan of this,
So let's who would you be like, Oh no, please
don't do that.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Okay, okay, nobody wants to see the Beatles poor. I
think the whole thing is quite tasteless, isn't it anyway?
But I'm going to say the Beatles is number one,
because I just think it would just maybe you'd have
Paul and Ringo up there as as they are now,
but you'd have you'd have John and George. John would
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still be people's favorite. I think that's sad for Paul.
He was alive and they prefer a hologram. They prefer
a hologram to him. I don't want to put Paul
through that. So the Beatles, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Number two.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Then number two I'm going to say, I'm going to
say David Bowie, okay, because I think.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
He'd hate it.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I think he'd hate it. I think he'd hate it,
although it's hard to tell. It was also the sort
of thing that I think Bowie might be on board for,
to be honest. But I can't deal with the hysteria
around it. You remember when Bowie died and it was
very sad, but it became such a national moment of grief.
I can't deal with. I can't deal with that being
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announced tomorrow that they're going to bring David Bowie back
to life. They would too much, so Bowie. And then
I'm going to go with Freddie Mercury, okay. And the
reason I'm going to Freddy Murray is one I think
it could happen. I think that I think that could happen,
and I want to try and put a stop to
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it now before the idea gets out of control. And
I think I don't think Queen should have continued without him,
Like I don't you know Queen still play now call
themselves Queen and it's two of them, and I just
think that's I think that's not okay. I think that's bad,
(35:39):
bad for I love all the I love all the
Badger stuff. Brian, I love that, but I'm not into
the being Queen without Freddy, so I'm going to go
with those. They're quite obvious ones, aren't they. I presume
these had to be dead people, because if they were alive,
the answer be Jamroquai.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
On tour in twenty twenty five. So before we go,
let's leave listeners with a recommendation. It's called beat the Algorithm.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Beat the Algorithm, Beat the Algorithm.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
In the show notes of the podcast, you will find
a link to well Beat the Algorithm playlist. Every week
we update that with the songs that we're enjoying. So please,
when you have tuned out for the night, stop listening
to the podcast, go and check out that playlist. There's
loads and loads of good stuff on there. Stew, what
have you been bumping this past week?
Speaker 2 (36:33):
So I've approached this week's Beat the Algorithm in the
true idea of what we set up Beat the Algorithm for,
which was essentially to be able to say to people,
if you like dot dot dot, you should also listen
to this, and the algorithm might not necessarily send you
that way, because the algorithm is not actually that reliable.
(36:56):
So that's what I've tried to do. This is a
new band called Yah Way Nail Gun. I'm pretty sure
that's how you say that name, but I'm going to
spell it for everybody because it's hard to find otherwise.
It's y h w H Space nail Gun. They are
from New York and they are like a noise band,
(37:18):
like a post hardcore noise band, really very percussive. People
are getting very excited about their live shows. I saw
one of their live shows earlier this year, and it's
gripping stuff. They've got a very magnetic front man who
he's sort of like it doesn't bark, it's almost like
a like a metal growl that he does, and he
(37:39):
sort of hiccups around and it's he's he's really like
to watch. They are a fascinating band. I think it's
for if the algorithm might send you this way. If
you're into gilla band, previously girl band, or maybe black Midie,
this is this is my vibe. You're gonna love the
drums on this that all over the place. They've just
signed a deal with the label AD ninety three, who
(38:02):
have released lots of like interesting guitar music that's that's
not necessarily always the most digestible, but has got a
real core fan base. They're gonna have an album next year,
but the first thing they've put out it's called Penetrator.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Here's a little bit of that.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
Yahweh, nail gun.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Who are you gonna tip?
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Well, Denzil Curry, he's got a new them out. It's
called King of the Mischievous South and great weird, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:05):
And we're like longtime fans of the Florida rapper. If
you don't know Denzil Curry, I mean he's been He's
been releasing music for quite a while now, probably the
best part of a decade at least. He just played
Tier the Creatives Festival out in the States, and he's
back in the He's back in Europe next summer, and
he is speaking of amazing live shows, like Denzil Curry
is always pretty incredible live anyway.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I've been listening to that album.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
My favorite track is called Hot One features Asap Ferg
and Tia Kreine And this is what it sounds like.
Speaker 7 (39:35):
I can make money from the covered on my soul
so much drive Now I gotta get a show one day.
I'll be big but I know I'm getting close. I'll
be Denzel aka Big Oh the World in my Hands
because I took it off the show Money on my Feet,
you know, I got the ship from low I'm like
Mike when you see your mona poster like yaday, gotta.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Get run in my host.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Perpetually underrated.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
I feel it hasn't kind of reached heights yet, but
still just keeps climbing. I always really enjoy everything that
he puts out, particularly like this new album King of
the Mischievous South, and that's my favorite track from it,
so we'll add that to the playlist. And yeah, I'm
just gonna continue listening to the album. I recommend people
go and check it out.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
All right, I think we are done for another episode
of Midnight Chats. As we said earlier in the episode,
if you want to get involved in our Albums of
the Year episode in a few weeks time, please do
send us what you've been listening to this year, your
top three albums of twenty twenty four. Send them to
info land on Quiet dot com, or just drop us
(40:44):
a DM on Instagram at Midnight Chats pod. Please do
tell a friend about this podcast. Please do rate it
and just share it around. Thanks Greg, I've really enjoyed
talking to you.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Thanks Ju, I've had a good time. Lovely Goodnight.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Midnight Chats is a joint production between Loud and Quiet
and Atomized Studios for iHeartRadio. It's hosted by Stuart Stubbs
and Greg Cochran, mixed and mastered by Flow Lines, and
edited by Stuart Stubbs. Find us on Instagram and TikTok
to watch clips from our recordings.
Speaker 6 (41:21):
At much much more.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
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Speaker 2 (41:24):
For more information, visit loudan Quiet dot com.
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