December 3, 2024 • 44 mins
Jessica Winter has a hell of a story about Rebecca Black in this week's episode, involving a legendary burlesque club in London, too much alcohol and a drill going through a part of a man's body it really shouldn't go through. She also talks about scoring CBBC shows and safety for female artists and producers via a simple device making a difference.
Outside of our guest interview this week, Greg and Stu discuss how a punk band terrified America by performing on the Jimmy Kimmel show (and ponder what would happen if we had the same booking here on Graham Norton), and report on how Irish rap trio Kneecap took the UK government to court this week and won.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good evening, I'm Greg Cochran.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Good evening, I'm Stuart Stubbs. We are a couple of
journalists who've been working in independent music since the days
of my Space.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
One night a week, we become your guide through the
week in music because, let's face it, the algorithms have
stop working for most of us, so.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
We're here to share the best new underground music and
the news that you might have missed, as well as
discussing the week's biggest headlines and bringing you interviews with
some of our favorite alternative artists.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The show is called Midnight Chats.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I've got a notice for you to do because next
week is our Albums of the Year special of the podcast.
We're going to be talking about our favorite albums of
the year next week on the podcast, and we want you,
our lovely listeners, to let us know what you've been
enjoying this year as well. So if you've got your
top three albums of the year, let us know what
(00:54):
they are. You can get in touch with us and
we'll read out some of the best ones on the
show next week.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
The best way of people doing that, Stu.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
We've had quite a few already, so thank you to
everyone that's already sent something.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
It's a highly competitive process.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Then it is. Yeah, but you know, we're still open
to ideas. Just drop me a DM. We are on
Instagram at Midnight Chat's pod. You can also email us
at info at loudon quiet dot com. Nobody's doing that,
and I welcome that because I don't I don't really like,
you know, staying on top of the email account. The
(01:27):
DM's the easiest one, but we will. We do read
everything that comes into the info in box. It's just
not from you lot, it's from Viagra.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Pills and what Listen now on tonight on the podcast,
we've got a fantastic guest. A name is Jessica Winter,
and we're gonna be playing that out for you very shortly.
So some of you should be a brand new name.
To others you may be familiar. In case you don't
know at work that well, this is just a taster
of that conversation coming up.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
When we were there, like a guy one of the performers,
I think he took a drill out and drilled a
hole into his and the manager looked like he'd seen
a ghost, lost all color in his face. And the
next day when I saw him was still like, I
can't believe what I just saw.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
If that doesn't make you want to stick around to
hear what that's all about, then I'm not sure what will.
But stue First up, though it's been uh it's been
a busy week for us, and it's been a busy
week for the world of music. There was one thing
that happened that you particularly liked this week?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Right?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I like all of this.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Who are about not Loose? A hardcore band, like a
metal hardcore band playing on Jimmy Kimmel Live over in
the States. It upset a lot of people in America. Oh,
I don't think it really upset anyone here because I
think maybe maybe people didn't see it, But also it
wasn't our TV moment. I do imagine if a band
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like Knocked Looser or a Kentucky very heavy band, if
they were to play on, say The greme Aton Show,
I think it probably would create the same sort of
hysteria that's around it. But it is kind of crazy
that we are in the year twenty twenty four that
country has just elected a convicted felon and they are
(03:18):
upset about a bunch of guys playing music. This is
what it sounded like.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
You haven't heard upon.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
You're supposed to a few of the GRONI anam in
a charge Superking with had been happy, not souco.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
People were furious about the sound of that. And maybe
you're listening here thinking I get it.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I don't like that. It was a bloody racket.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
This wasn't on the Tonight Show with Jimmy Kimmel, which
is the one. This wasn't in his studio. I imagine
it had been even worse it was in the studio.
This was a band. We're put a link in the
in the show notes so you can see this performance.
They were outside. It was to a crowd of people
in a circle pit who are all clearly fans of
the band. And the show was Jimmy Kimmel Live. But
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viewers at home across America have been calling foreign apology.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
A few here are a few, A few things that
so not to loose go on the Jimmy Kimmel Show. Yeah,
and upset so many viewers that people are asking for
an apology.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
They want an apology. That is unacceptable broadcasting what okay?
So someone has said, give me some of these reactions yes,
So here's a good reaction for you. I think these
many come from the Facebook community.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Oh yeah, yeah, well we know all about those exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Someone said, you know, I was trying to enjoy the program.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
That's that first defense. You know, I was trying. You know,
I was trying to enjoy it. So don't level that
that I'm not a fan. I love the show. You know,
I was trying to enjoy the program. I was sitting
on the couch with my son, who is an adolesson
that was that's in capitals adolescent, waiting to see the
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music guest because we like the nice music of the show,
usually booked by the third or fourth junt from the guitar.
My son was in tears. He doesn't like he doesn't
like scary things, and quite frankly, I think the Kimmel
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Show and its staff should make a form more apology.
I also like the idea of the whole of the staff.
Everybody has to it's not just actively the show. Everybody
has to get together. And then you had some other
comments that were the typical call this music type of thing.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
One was, this was.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Not enjoyable and you can't understand more than five percent
of the lyrics washing washing does not equal dancing. It
just made me laugh that I like that music can
still upset people in that way. But I would love
to have I'd love it to have been in the
studio on the Tonight Show because I think it would
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have been I mean, the show would have probably just
been canceled. And I would like to see a British
show like the Graham Norton Show, now Go and Bok
just books something like that, something like that, because it's
all it's here in the UK if you're listening outside
of the UK. We have very few opportunities for musicians to
perform on mainstream television these days, and it means it's
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always really safe. It's always super super safe and very yeah,
very mainstream normally. I saw a guy on The Graham
Norton Show the other day called Bens Boone. Who do
you know?
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Bens Boone?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
You do knowing? Okay, right, because I've never heard of
this guy. But the intro was the intro was like
this guy's had like a billion streams this year or something.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Mad.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I did recognize the song and I was and they
said it's bent some boone who's bent? Some boone, but
he was quite wild. He was sat on a piano,
grand piano, and he did did a little flip when
he got off it. Oh so it's quite wild. Yeah,
it was quite wild. I wasn't shocked in to complain,
(08:00):
but I thought about it.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Well, I want not to loose booked for Sunday Brunch?
Is that the Channel four thing with Tim Lovejoy?
Speaker 6 (08:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
See they would book it, wouldn't they, because that's so
gnarly man.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Listen, this caught my attention last week. We've talked a
fair few times on the podcast last year about the
Irish band Kneecap. They've had an amazing year, haven't they
loved their album Fine Art? Now, just a few days
ago they were in court here in the UK.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, this is a more serious story, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (08:32):
Serious?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
They were in court with the UK government. So do
you know? Do you know the backstory to this too?
I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I got the story when the ruling was made, right,
and I've been catching up on what it was about,
but I didn't.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Find So this has been bubbling along for about just
over a year now. Basically, Kneecap applied for an arts
Council grants, which is basically the Arts Council. They they
fund different creative projects to happen, because we all know
it's difficult to get stuff off the ground when you're
trying to be when you're a musician or an artist
of any kind. Anyway, they applied for an Arts Council grant,
(09:11):
which is public funding, and they were awarded that grand
earlier this year, and then they were blocked by the
then Business and Trade Minister, who was Kemy Badnock, saying
that the department said at that time, at the beginning
of this year, they didn't want to hand taxpayers money
to people who oppose the United Kingdom itself, because if
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you know Niecap and you know their music, obviously Irish
Republicanism and their sort of opposition to British rule in
Northern Ireland comes very strong. Anyway, they took the government
to court for discrimination and now they have won that
case and so they were awarded the same amount that
they were originally blocked from receiving, which was about just
(09:53):
over fourteen pounds and this was DJ Provi speaking outside
the court.
Speaker 7 (10:00):
Risingly, the British government's own courts ruled that they acted
illegally and stop the funding the Kneecap. For us, this
action was never about fourteen and fifty pounds could have
been fifty pence. The motivation was a quality. This was
an attack on artistic culture, an attack on a good Freid,
the agreement itself, and an attack on Neecap and our
(10:21):
way of expressing ourselves. The former secretariesst did Cammi Badnock
and her department acted unlawfully and this is now a fact.
They don't like that we oppose British rule, that we
don't believe that England serves anyone in Ireland and the
working classes on both sides of the community deserve better,
They deserve funding, they deserve.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Now obviously fair bit has changed in the time since
this story started.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
We have a new.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Government now labor are in charge, not the Conservatives, and
they basically said Labour's coming after Kneecap won this case
against them because then they're now the government, was that
they weren't going to continue to contest this and they
because they basically said they didn't think it was in
a public interest to continue beef in with basically like
Kneecap and Kerry Bennock, who has now obviously been elected
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the leader of our opposition here in the UK. The
Conservative Party has described that decision as unbelievable and just
said that label will always capitulate rather than defend UK interests,
and so kneecapp right in the middle of this right,
and they said, well, you tried to silence us, but
(11:30):
you've failed. They've decided to give the money that they've
won back for this court case to two youth organizations
that support Protestant and Catholic communities in Northern Ireland.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
They said they always knew they were going to win.
Their lawyers said to them, this is They described it
as a penalty kick without a goalkeeper. It's that much
of a sure thing that we will win this case.
And they've improven right, so good on them.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Now listen, we're going to play out a fantast to
gain in view with Jessica Winter. But first we're going
to get some of these lovely, delicious adverts.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Welcome back to episode one hundred and sixty of Midnight Chats,
and it is now time for this week's guest, and
this week's guest is Jessica Winter. We probably owe Jessica
a little bit of an apology because this was recorded
a long time ago. This was recorded over a year
ago now, or maybe around this time last year. One
(12:33):
of the reasons why we were holding on to it
was because we thought that Jessica's album might be coming
this year. The albums now good next year. But tell
us about what it was.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Like meeting her.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I did the edit of the interview of this yesterday
and I love her voice. Yeah, I love I don't
know what it is about it. I just like her
her just tone of everything. What can you tell us
about Jessica Winter the artist?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah, So, Jessica Winter is an amazing British artist. She
makes it incredible pop music but always has a dark twist.
She's from Portsmouth, which's on the South coast here in
the UK, but she moved to London when she was sixteen,
so that just tells you all about her determination to
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sort of to make it in music. But she left
home really early and moved to London to be an
artist really and so she's been in loads of bands
over the years. But she's including a band called pre Goblin,
who you and I both quite liked, who have an
incredible name, and they released a couple of great albums
probably eight nine years ago now. So she's been doing
(13:49):
the solo thing as Jessica Winter for the last or
two three four years. She's released like a mini album
in twenty twenty three called Limerens, which I really loved,
and like you say, there is going to be a
four length album in twenty twenty five two Things Tonight.
Before we get into this one, you can go and
check out clips of the chat on our socials. We're
Midnight Chats Pod on Instagram if you're going to have
(14:09):
a look at that. And yeah, we didn't want to
sit on this any longer. We've been waiting to put
it out for a year, so we thought, yeah, let's
just get it out there. And we really like jess
so we like a music. Go see her live. She's
an amazing live artist. But for the moment, let's just
let's just get into this. I started by talking to
her about her production work because she's produced for other
(14:30):
artists as well, and ended up talking to her about
being sick on the steps of a very famous Soho
nightclub in London.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So let's just get into it now.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I started really producing with pre Goblin. That was when
I really started doing it properly. And I didn't even
think I was doing it properly. It was just it
was just like, I have this recording software and I'm
going to make your a start. And I think from
(15:10):
having to start off with someone like Alex Sebley from
pre Goblin, I don't know if you know him, from
having to start off with someone like that, then you
realize like, oh, like all artists wherever you come from,
are obviously doing this, like trying to express something, and
actually we're all quite similar in even though we all
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wear different clothes and we look and we have different
things we want to say, but actually like it all
comes from a place, a similar place. And I think
that when I'm in producer mode where I've come from
in my past, my childhood, I've always been like the
one that's the strong one for the family. And I
(15:53):
think because artists are quite unstable, very much like that
my parents have been when I was growing up, I'm
very used to characters like that, so I can definitely
like put my arm around them in a musical musical
sense and be like we're going to be okay, Like
we're going to make something and it's going to sound
all right. Actually and it was, And I think like
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people can be calmed in that situation and we can
actually get something good, because if if you're unstable and
they're unstable in that situation, then you're just going to
create a mess. You need you do need to be
able to put yourself like be a strong person for
people coming in the room.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
So it sounds like it's almost like fifty percent emotional
management and fifty percent sort of production of the music
all the day totally. And what have you learned in
terms of like what works then like or what works
for you and your collaborators in those scenarios everything.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
For what works for me is to not expect anything
when someone walks in the room because you never know,
Like you think you know what you're doing, and you
don't like every day, every song it always comes about
in a completely different way. It does for me anyway. Yeah,
you can sit and stack make some chords and like
or come up with a melody, but I still every
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time a song comes out, I'm like, how did that happen?
Speaker 6 (17:15):
Again?
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Like there is no set form. But that's what's so
magical about music. I think you can never you never
really know. You're just each time is a fluke. I
think I don't think it's great to have the right energy,
the right energy in room and just to get on
with the people and actually not take it too seriously.
As soon as you start taking too seriously, you're you're
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not going to get a good song.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I think, have you.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Ever been in that situation and been in a situation
where you're in a room, you're with a producer or
sort of gone with it and realized, I don't want
to this is not for me doing it like this
or like or something that cemented your own dedication to
wanting to do it on your own.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yeah, I was working with I won't like name some people,
but I've been working with a lot of like male
producers and not I don't want to trash men because
of men.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I like men.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
But as in just in that time that it was,
it was just like, you are here to sing, and
I know what sounds good. Leave that to me. Whereas
I've always been obsessed with all of it, Like I
love when I'm walking to a studio, I want to
know all the buttons and I want to press all
(18:24):
the things and I want to I just like I
really I get fascinated when things like that, but it
didn't feel like it was my place, and I really
wanted to learn. So I spent like five years being
in a studio and always sitting on the couch. But
because instead of me doing what most artists are meant
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to do, which is just like go in, do their
bit and then they lead the producer to I just
sat there for the whole time and I was just watching, watching,
watching watching watching, and even though I didn't even learn
specifically like why things were happening, I was just watching
how and what made things feel right. And then eventually
I think you also grow up and get when you
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get past like twenty five twenty six, I think like
that's when you get more perspective on the world of
what actually sounds good and what actually feels good, because
when you're when I was, when I was eighteen, I
had no idea what actually sounded a good. What I
thought sounded good was now if I listened to it
is sounds terrible. And I do think you need a
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bit of age to just like understand what sounds good
and how it feels.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
So you moved to London like a relatively early age,
like in as like a late teenager. Yeah, yeah, and
like you had some experiences, particularly with men in the
music industry like managers and producers and whatnot. You'd remarked
at one point about how like you'd like to support
other young women coming into the music space so that
they are safe and secure and feel supported, particularly those
young ages.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
I was speaking to Kay who's from What Publishing about it,
because on the roster at the time when I first
signed to what was one of the guys i'd had
a bad experience with, and she was so great and
we both came up with an idea. Even if they
don't take it for serious, it's almost to say like
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we're a publisher and we're putting you in the studio
with this producer. When we do that, this producer will
be sent We're basically like a short bullet pointed letter
of we are watching you. We will know what's going on.
These are things we do, not condone, these are things
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we do. And it's just like a really simple bullet
pointed PDF document that gets sent. And just from having that,
I think that would deter people and make them remember
like this is a work environment rather than just like hell, yeah,
we'll get this hot girl in and then it will
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take her to the pub and then we're going to
try it on because actually know this is work. Just
try and make it work.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yeah, like a behavior rider that everybody like set.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
The expectations have been like these spaces should be safe
for everybody and productive, and there's an expectation that everybody
treats to other with respect.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
And I do think people are shit scared now way
more and I think that definitely that's a good thing
and things won't be as as just normalized as they
used to be, So that's encouraging.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I think definitely.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Well, let's make a plan for distributing that method further
throughout the industry, because I think we can all all
encourage that if we hear about that as like initiative
and like support that and kept behind that without getting
too much like Spotify wrapped on it your year and
like everything that's been happening to do that, what would
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we be hearing on your Spotify raps.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
By the way, thank you so much guys all the
streams keeping my dream alive. Well that rhymed. I'm going
to do that.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Bank that one you need it in about three weeks time. Yeah,
what I mean, your year sounds kind of spectacular in
terms of like you're involvement in some really interesting sounding
projects I'd like to ask you about. But it started
like January time started you went on tour with Rebecca
Black in the UK, which sounded like an absolute hoot
(22:26):
to be completely honest, what was the reality like?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
It was? It was so good again it said like
if you're getting put on the road with some the
right people, and the energy was just so it was
so fun. And as soon as I think that was
the first night on the on the tour, and then
we were introduced to each other and I'm obviously a
stan and and then I think when she saw my
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show and the people I was hanging around with, I
think she knew, Okay, this person's like okay, like she's safe,
She's not going to like troll me or something. So yeah,
we I think we became fast friends from that. And
then on the very last night of the tour, I
wanted to take her out to like a classic London
(23:10):
soho night out on like a vibe. It wasn't a
dive bar. We ended off in the box.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Okay, yeah, wow, what did Rebecca blackmake of a Soho
night out in the Box.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
And it was funny because her manager was there as well.
He's quite like your classic La Jewish manager guy, and
his his eyes were like popping out of his head
because of what he saw. If anyone's listening and doesn't
know what the Box is, the Box is like a blesque,
quite a high class burlesque underground club in the heart
(23:43):
of so Hoo. Yeah, and it's full of sleazy rich
men basically, but the best talented, talented, most amazing performers
you'll ever see. So I wanted to just show that
kind of juxtaposition of well, it kind of sums up
London a lot. And so when we were there, like
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a guy one of the performers, I think he took
a drill out and drilled a hole into his penis,
and the manager looked like he'd seen a ghost, lost
all color in his face. And the next day when
I saw him, was still like, I can't believe what
I just saw, Like it was so good.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Anyway, the night progressed and I ended up getting extremely
drunk and then ended up being sick on the stairs
of the entrance of the box, really lowering the class
and Rebecca was holding my hair back for me. So yeah,
I just drawn my.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Box so much beauty in that story. What did Rebecca
Black make of the penis drill?
Speaker 4 (24:47):
She was loving it. I think I heard her say
slick at that point. I used to be a pantomime
child and I basically did the pantomimes every year in Portsmouth,
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And so they would get some like Z list soap
opera person to play the lead role.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
So we've got somebody from Emmerdale, We've got Jack in
the Giant bean stare.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Yeah did that one? I did them all with bang
bang oh yeah, and I actually got to play the
lead child, but I played Jeremy. I was always cast
a boy for something. Yeah, and I just loved They're
not musicals obviously, well they kind of are.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
But lots lots of musicals.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
But yeah, I just always loved I loved it.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I love opera musical And I'm actually I am actually
writing a musical theater show at the moment, I can't yet.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Okay, fair enough, what we're so musical theater shows? Beyond
the pantomime stuff that you did?
Speaker 1 (26:08):
What were the what are the big ones for you?
Speaker 4 (26:11):
What's anything whe Stephensonheim. I loved I love stephenson Heim's work.
I just think the pace of it and and the
underlying political messages wrapped around Hollywood themes are just perfect.
And I think that's what we need to digest important messages.
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And I think that's what's so powerful about musical theater
in general, is that you can you can dress it
up literally on a stage, sparkling, and some of the
most powerful messages can come through with that. I don't
I'm not really a fan of andre Lloyd Webber. I
know I saw Phantom of the Opera. That was the
most recent thing, right, that was a few months ago,
(26:52):
three months ago.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Is that like just a classically you have to tick off?
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Yeah, you had to. I just had to take that
one off, and I enjoyed it. There's some notes in Phantom. Actually,
that one is good because some of the you know,
when it goes like the guy what's his name, the
man behind the mask, and he goes, oh, like that,
and it just holds it went on for so long.
(27:16):
It's just that same note ah, and then underneath the
most crazy descending chromatic chords. It's just that's so pleasing.
You can't do that in musical theater.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
You've also been writing a score for a TV show.
What can you tell us about that?
Speaker 4 (27:34):
It's it's actually I'm I'm not doing it alone. I'm
doing it with someone called what I don't know if
you've heard of them. And we we've got a lot. Yeah,
what do I say?
Speaker 1 (27:48):
We've got We've we've got a commission. Oh was it?
Speaker 4 (27:52):
We've got a commission from Amazon and it's called Dead
Hot and it's a queer teen horror. Six episodes, forty
five minutes per episode. There's a lot of work. It's
a lot of work. I didn't realize how much work.
Like I've done a couple of scores before for CBBC
(28:13):
and each episode was twenty minutes and I found that
a lot. And now it's forty five minutes. So it's
a double but there's two of us doing at this time.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
So yeah, how have you sort of found a dynamic
to work together on it?
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Yeah, we've got a really good relationship and we we're
both just really workaholics, I think on it, and just
so you have to be, so you have to just
like zone in. But it's been really difficult because I've
been gigging, so it's been really broken up and we've
ended up just becoming one person. So everywhere I am,
(28:50):
he is right, and so if I'm in Lisbon, if
I'm in Paris, he'll be there. We'll just have to
set up camp when I'm not gigging. And then just
like score course school, we're on episode five at the.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Moment, okay, so you're almost there.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Almost there, almost at the finish line.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
This show sounds great.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Yeah, it's the creators of It's a Sin, which is
obviously amazing TV show. So this is a bit lighter,
much more silly. It's more like who did it? Where
like there's so so many twists and turns that you
think you know that basically it is two characters, Peter
(29:29):
and Jess, which is funny enough. What Oh's real name
and my name is? And that's why it's bizarre with
the first lines of the show when when it starts
as Peter Jazz and we were.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
Just like what.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
They have been trauma bonded because Peter's boyfriend is Jess's
brother who disappeared and just left a finger behind, and
so then you have to figure out who did it? Where,
why did they do it where is he gone? Is
he alive? Is he not? And it just takes you
(30:06):
on like so many different twists and turns, and it's
just quite funny. And there's some really great eccentric characters
throughout the show. One of my favorite actors, isn't it
called Peter serafinowitch.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Ah, who I love?
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah? And when you have an extremely rare night off?
Is that the kind of TV show you stick? Honor?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Have you got like a certain thing you like to
relax to?
Speaker 4 (30:29):
I only really watched Married at First Sight?
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Okay, I've I've heard about this. I should I should
know what this is? Obviously? Is this the thing? Can
you educate me?
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Is this the thing where people get married and based
on like their psychological profile?
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Okay, it's really riveting stuff, really great.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Stuff, And it's relaxing TV for you.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
It's so relaxing, it's so mind numbing, numbingly amazing. But
it's actually you can't help but get so into it
because you follow these couples around for two months and
you just just just want to get into the psyche
of it all, and it's just so like, how is
this happening? And why? And just the fact that it
(31:15):
is happening is mental like going onto a TV show,
getting married to a complete stranger, moving in with them,
then they're meeting their parents then there. It's just it's
actually so inspiring.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Would you ever do it?
Speaker 4 (31:29):
No, I would never do that. I'm very happy to
watch it good.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, yeah, what do the wheels always come off? Or
because basically I'm aware of the show, but I've never
really properly watched it.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Do the wheels? Does it ever have a happy ending?
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Well, I just we're right at the end. Now, we've
got one episode left, so I don't know what I'm
going to do with myself when it's finished, But yeah,
there is. It looks like there's a couple of couples
that may have a future together. To believe that, I
don't want it all to end in tiers.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
I kind of like it.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I get the impression that, like modern dating is like
really hard work, and so there's something quite appealing about
just being.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Thrown into that.
Speaker 7 (32:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Actually you don't have to do any.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Of the nonsense of like you know, it definitely profile matched.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
It definitely shows the willingness that you It's almost like
arranged marriages. There is a real high success rate of
arranged marriages because both of these people know they've got
no choice about this and they're going to have to
make it work. And so there is something in that
where without having like a limitless app of people that
(32:41):
you can tap into and meet, then you have less
options and less choice and you just make a go
of it more. And I think that maybe it's what
we maybe need. Let's bring back arranged marriages for all.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
And see what happens.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
So there you go. That is Jessica Winter on Midnight Chats.
Loved speaking to jess for that, And I know what
you mean about jess and her vibe and her voice.
G She's got like a sort of infectious laugh. She's
just just good, good vibes Jessica Winter. And I should
mention that the soundtrack work that she was talking about
for that Amazon Prime show which is called Dead Hot,
(33:27):
that series is out now, so if people do want
to go and watch it and listen to the work
that she was doing on that that did come out
this year twenty twenty four. I've added it to my
list of stuff to watch over the Christmas break because
I don't watched that much TV recently.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
The CBBS. You know she mentioned she's soundtrack cbb's I
looked into what that was. It's called for anyone that
is desperate to know, like I was. It's called Princess Mirabelle.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
It ran for two seasons and it looks it looks
kind of unwatchable as a show. But I'm saying that
as a forty year old man. It's a drama. It's like,
you know, it's not.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
You are not the target audience for this show.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
It's a drama about a girl who looks in the
mirror and her reflection is like comes to life and
creates havoc.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
But yeah, that's what that was.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
She's had kind of a quiet issue, like at least
to us as listeners this year, just go into But
she's going to be winded up to do some stuff
next year in twenty twenty five. But she is playing
a show before the end of the year. She's playing
at London's Moth Club on the twentieth of December.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yes, she's playing at I wanted to give this a
quick shower actually because she is playing at a fundraiser
for a publication called hate Zine, which.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
You may know.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
It's hate Scene is that they're currently raising funds to
publish their seventh edition of their magazine. As someone that
has done this myself for many years, publishing magazines, I
know how hard it is to do that. So they
are putting together this fundraiser. Jess Winter is headlining. So
also playing is Dan Carey's new band called Miss Tiny
(35:10):
is Dan and Ben from Childhood. They've got stalls, they've
got raffles. Check out what Hate Scene is all about.
It it's a publication about social justice through music and
art and writing and poetry and all sorts of things.
What they do is great. Got a huge Instagram following,
so to give them a follow on there. But that Yeah,
as Greg said, that's happening on the twenty if of December,
(35:33):
and that's I think that's the next time you can
see Jessica Winter play.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I think it is.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
And can I just say before we move on from
talking about jess Winter, I'm not sure we will ever
get another person, another artist speaking on midnight Chats who
shares a story about so many drilling out hole through
a penis.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
Through that penis.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, I mean, I hope that's not true. I hope
at least one other guest comes in with that you
do yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
That's our. That's our that's her new Year's resolution.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
That's her next goal. If you're listening, if you're an
artist and you have seen this with your own eyes,
you are welcome on the show anytime. I like that.
That happened with Rebecca Black and what you know that
Rebecca Black Black song Friday, which made her a oh yeah,
(36:21):
internet sensation and a meme when she was maybe twelve
fourteen something like that. As a kid, I'm going to
put a link to Friday. I sing that song all
the time and I like.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
That song.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
For anyone that doesn't know the Rebecca Black story. Young girl,
her parents pay for her to make a pop video.
There was a company in America who would let who
would basically, you could pay them to make you a
staff for the day and they shoot a video and
they write a song together. And she did that and
she put it online and lots of people really hated
on it, which is so unbeliefab them.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Some parts of the internet decided to sort of label
it as the worst song ever, the worst of all time.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
I think it's a banger. Friday. Friday got to get
down on Friday. I sing it.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Not every Friday, I must admit, but when.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
I remember to I sing it, and the fact that
she was there for the penis trail and then she
said sligh after it, I think makes this whole episode
probably the best episode we've ever done.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
I think Rebecca, Rebecca Black is the real winner here
and I just love that that story ends with Rebecca
Black holding Jessica Winters on the street and you just think, wow, yeah,
if you just if you went out on the night
out with your hero, that's where you want to end up, right,
that's just so good. We should leave folks with some
(37:51):
new music recommendations. It's that time of the week. It
is beat the algorithmath.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
How are you feeling about the jingle? Greg, Now we've
had the jingle in for a few weeks now, maybe
a couple of months.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Still loving it.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Actually, I'm worried people new new listeners might think it's
it's on it it's earnest, right, you know that they might.
I don't want us to sound like Radio X basically,
and I'm.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Worried we do.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
But hey, hey, if you are new to the podcast,
this is a little section that we do at the
end of every episode where we just tell you what
we think you should be checking out and try and
give you an actual personable recommendation.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
I'm going to go.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
First, Greg, Oh, feel free.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
I'm going to suggest people go and listen to Maria Somerville,
who has released an album before. Self released an album
called All My People back in twenty nineteen, but since
then has signed to the four AD label. Has an
album coming next year, I presume. I don't think anything's
(39:06):
been announced, but a new single has come out called Projections,
and I went to see Maria last week. I had
a gig of weeks last week. I saw Maria Somerville.
I went to Charlie XCX to see her Brat's victory
lap here in London in obviously incredible scenes. But we've
spoken enough about Charlie, but it was it was amazing.
(39:27):
She did at one point spit on the stage and
lick it up. Oh, it was a little bit not
loose that I've written letters of complained about that.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
She was.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, obviously everything she did was hilariously provocative.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
And what was the other thing.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
I went to see Cassandra Jenkins as well, so three
very different gigs, but Maria's gig was in a small
smoke filled room backlit a lot of dry. Ice plays
with a band. Now, I don't think she did the
last time I saw, but she she's got four piece
and they It's very shoe gayzy droney and is quite
(40:05):
you know, immersive music. But this is Projections, the first
single that she has released on a new label deal
with for a D. So, yeah that's Maria, Somevin. What
(40:50):
have you got?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Do you remember you?
Speaker 3 (40:52):
And I listened to an album called Stray by an
American band called Bambara Loads in the Office.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, kay yeah, Sa.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Sarah, Yeah what tune that is. If people don't know,
go and check it out.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
For fans of the War on Drugs, Nick cave in
the Bad Seeds, that's your vibe basically on this like
kind of dark rock stuff. A few years ago they
released an album called Stray that Stu and I really
love listening to it. Loads in the Office I remember
us sticking that on an almost daily basis when it
came out. Anyway, Bambara back with new music. They're going
to be releasing a new album in twenty twenty five,
(41:29):
which is called Birthmarks. That's coming out in March on
Bella Union. And this is a track called Pray to Me,
which is the first song they're releasing from that new album.
Speaker 6 (41:40):
Lameless c Jeez, she the Current, Seeing Your Contry, ky
(42:08):
Mist the car from film Shoe, this schools strip of
flag Flies, I'm gonna breed Hello Winner.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Well a great band there are three piece from Athens, Georgia.
It's a good drive in music, I think stew I
like to drive to whilst listening to Bambara And yeah,
I'm excited about the release of new stuff from them
because it's been a little while. So get that album
on your on your pre stream, on your on on
your on your saved items so that or.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Pre order it from our price whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
To do exactly. But that's it for me. I'm enjoying
Bambara at the moment.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Excellent. Well, once again we have reached the end of
the podcast. I've had a lovely time. I hope everyone
is enjoyed the Jessica Winter Chat because I really enjoyed it,
and do check her out. I think she's probably gonna
have a big year next year when that record does
come whenever that is next week. We will be here,
as Greg said at the top of this episode, with
(43:26):
our Albums of the Year special, so do drop us
a line with your albums of the year. Until then, though,
thank you for listening to Midnight Chats. It's always a joy.
There's a lot of podcasts out there and you've chosen
this one, which makes you a very intelligent and sexy person.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Because I just say, I listened to my own podcast,
so I'm pleased to hear that.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Thanks for a compliments.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Ah, welcome, good Night were Wolves.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
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and Atomized Studios for iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
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Speaker 3 (44:08):
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Speaker 1 (44:12):
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Speaker 2 (44:15):
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
Good evening, I'm Stuart Stubbs. We are a couple of
journalists who've been working in independent music since the days
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Speaker 3 (00:10):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
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discussing the week's biggest headlines and bringing you interviews with
some of our favorite alternative artists.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The show is called Midnight Chats.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I've got a notice for you to do because next
week is our Albums of the Year special of the podcast.
We're going to be talking about our favorite albums of
the year next week on the podcast, and we want you,
our lovely listeners, to let us know what you've been
enjoying this year as well. So if you've got your
top three albums of the year, let us know what
(00:54):
they are. You can get in touch with us and
we'll read out some of the best ones on the
show next week.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
The best way of people doing that, Stu.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
We've had quite a few already, so thank you to
everyone that's already sent something.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
It's a highly competitive process.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Then it is. Yeah, but you know, we're still open
to ideas. Just drop me a DM. We are on
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at info at loudon quiet dot com. Nobody's doing that,
and I welcome that because I don't I don't really like,
you know, staying on top of the email account. The
(01:27):
DM's the easiest one, but we will. We do read
everything that comes into the info in box. It's just
not from you lot, it's from Viagra.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Pills and what Listen now on tonight on the podcast,
we've got a fantastic guest. A name is Jessica Winter,
and we're gonna be playing that out for you very shortly.
So some of you should be a brand new name.
To others you may be familiar. In case you don't
know at work that well, this is just a taster
of that conversation coming up.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
When we were there, like a guy one of the performers,
I think he took a drill out and drilled a
hole into his and the manager looked like he'd seen
a ghost, lost all color in his face. And the
next day when I saw him was still like, I
can't believe what I just saw.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
If that doesn't make you want to stick around to
hear what that's all about, then I'm not sure what will.
But stue First up, though it's been uh it's been
a busy week for us, and it's been a busy
week for the world of music. There was one thing
that happened that you particularly liked this week?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Right?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I like all of this.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Who are about not Loose? A hardcore band, like a
metal hardcore band playing on Jimmy Kimmel Live over in
the States. It upset a lot of people in America. Oh,
I don't think it really upset anyone here because I
think maybe maybe people didn't see it, But also it
wasn't our TV moment. I do imagine if a band
(02:55):
like Knocked Looser or a Kentucky very heavy band, if
they were to play on, say The greme Aton Show,
I think it probably would create the same sort of
hysteria that's around it. But it is kind of crazy
that we are in the year twenty twenty four that
country has just elected a convicted felon and they are
(03:18):
upset about a bunch of guys playing music. This is
what it sounded like.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
You haven't heard upon.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
You're supposed to a few of the GRONI anam in
a charge Superking with had been happy, not souco.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
People were furious about the sound of that. And maybe
you're listening here thinking I get it.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I don't like that. It was a bloody racket.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
This wasn't on the Tonight Show with Jimmy Kimmel, which
is the one. This wasn't in his studio. I imagine
it had been even worse it was in the studio.
This was a band. We're put a link in the
in the show notes so you can see this performance.
They were outside. It was to a crowd of people
in a circle pit who are all clearly fans of
the band. And the show was Jimmy Kimmel Live. But
(04:48):
viewers at home across America have been calling foreign apology.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
A few here are a few, A few things that
so not to loose go on the Jimmy Kimmel Show. Yeah,
and upset so many viewers that people are asking for
an apology.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
They want an apology. That is unacceptable broadcasting what okay?
So someone has said, give me some of these reactions yes,
So here's a good reaction for you. I think these
many come from the Facebook community.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Oh yeah, yeah, well we know all about those exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Someone said, you know, I was trying to enjoy the program.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
That's that first defense. You know, I was trying. You know,
I was trying to enjoy it. So don't level that
that I'm not a fan. I love the show. You know,
I was trying to enjoy the program. I was sitting
on the couch with my son, who is an adolesson
that was that's in capitals adolescent, waiting to see the
(05:47):
music guest because we like the nice music of the show,
usually booked by the third or fourth junt from the guitar.
My son was in tears. He doesn't like he doesn't
like scary things, and quite frankly, I think the Kimmel
(06:08):
Show and its staff should make a form more apology.
I also like the idea of the whole of the staff.
Everybody has to it's not just actively the show. Everybody
has to get together. And then you had some other
comments that were the typical call this music type of thing.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
One was, this was.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Not enjoyable and you can't understand more than five percent
of the lyrics washing washing does not equal dancing. It
just made me laugh that I like that music can
still upset people in that way. But I would love
to have I'd love it to have been in the
studio on the Tonight Show because I think it would
(06:50):
have been I mean, the show would have probably just
been canceled. And I would like to see a British
show like the Graham Norton Show, now Go and Bok
just books something like that, something like that, because it's
all it's here in the UK if you're listening outside
of the UK. We have very few opportunities for musicians to
perform on mainstream television these days, and it means it's
(07:14):
always really safe. It's always super super safe and very yeah,
very mainstream normally. I saw a guy on The Graham
Norton Show the other day called Bens Boone. Who do
you know?
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Bens Boone?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
You do knowing? Okay, right, because I've never heard of
this guy. But the intro was the intro was like
this guy's had like a billion streams this year or something.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Mad.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I did recognize the song and I was and they
said it's bent some boone who's bent? Some boone, but
he was quite wild. He was sat on a piano,
grand piano, and he did did a little flip when
he got off it. Oh so it's quite wild. Yeah,
it was quite wild. I wasn't shocked in to complain,
(08:00):
but I thought about it.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Well, I want not to loose booked for Sunday Brunch?
Is that the Channel four thing with Tim Lovejoy?
Speaker 6 (08:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
See they would book it, wouldn't they, because that's so
gnarly man.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Listen, this caught my attention last week. We've talked a
fair few times on the podcast last year about the
Irish band Kneecap. They've had an amazing year, haven't they
loved their album Fine Art? Now, just a few days
ago they were in court here in the UK.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, this is a more serious story, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (08:32):
Serious?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
They were in court with the UK government. So do
you know? Do you know the backstory to this too?
I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I got the story when the ruling was made, right,
and I've been catching up on what it was about,
but I didn't.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Find So this has been bubbling along for about just
over a year now. Basically, Kneecap applied for an arts
Council grants, which is basically the Arts Council. They they
fund different creative projects to happen, because we all know
it's difficult to get stuff off the ground when you're
trying to be when you're a musician or an artist
of any kind. Anyway, they applied for an Arts Council grant,
(09:11):
which is public funding, and they were awarded that grand
earlier this year, and then they were blocked by the
then Business and Trade Minister, who was Kemy Badnock, saying
that the department said at that time, at the beginning
of this year, they didn't want to hand taxpayers money
to people who oppose the United Kingdom itself, because if
(09:32):
you know Niecap and you know their music, obviously Irish
Republicanism and their sort of opposition to British rule in
Northern Ireland comes very strong. Anyway, they took the government
to court for discrimination and now they have won that
case and so they were awarded the same amount that
they were originally blocked from receiving, which was about just
(09:53):
over fourteen pounds and this was DJ Provi speaking outside
the court.
Speaker 7 (10:00):
Risingly, the British government's own courts ruled that they acted
illegally and stop the funding the Kneecap. For us, this
action was never about fourteen and fifty pounds could have
been fifty pence. The motivation was a quality. This was
an attack on artistic culture, an attack on a good Freid,
the agreement itself, and an attack on Neecap and our
(10:21):
way of expressing ourselves. The former secretariesst did Cammi Badnock
and her department acted unlawfully and this is now a fact.
They don't like that we oppose British rule, that we
don't believe that England serves anyone in Ireland and the
working classes on both sides of the community deserve better,
They deserve funding, they deserve.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Now obviously fair bit has changed in the time since
this story started.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
We have a new.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Government now labor are in charge, not the Conservatives, and
they basically said Labour's coming after Kneecap won this case
against them because then they're now the government, was that
they weren't going to continue to contest this and they
because they basically said they didn't think it was in
a public interest to continue beef in with basically like
Kneecap and Kerry Bennock, who has now obviously been elected
(11:10):
the leader of our opposition here in the UK. The
Conservative Party has described that decision as unbelievable and just
said that label will always capitulate rather than defend UK interests,
and so kneecapp right in the middle of this right,
and they said, well, you tried to silence us, but
(11:30):
you've failed. They've decided to give the money that they've
won back for this court case to two youth organizations
that support Protestant and Catholic communities in Northern Ireland.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
They said they always knew they were going to win.
Their lawyers said to them, this is They described it
as a penalty kick without a goalkeeper. It's that much
of a sure thing that we will win this case.
And they've improven right, so good on them.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Now listen, we're going to play out a fantast to
gain in view with Jessica Winter. But first we're going
to get some of these lovely, delicious adverts.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Welcome back to episode one hundred and sixty of Midnight Chats,
and it is now time for this week's guest, and
this week's guest is Jessica Winter. We probably owe Jessica
a little bit of an apology because this was recorded
a long time ago. This was recorded over a year
ago now, or maybe around this time last year. One
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of the reasons why we were holding on to it
was because we thought that Jessica's album might be coming
this year. The albums now good next year. But tell
us about what it was.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Like meeting her.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I did the edit of the interview of this yesterday
and I love her voice. Yeah, I love I don't
know what it is about it. I just like her
her just tone of everything. What can you tell us
about Jessica Winter the artist?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah, So, Jessica Winter is an amazing British artist. She
makes it incredible pop music but always has a dark twist.
She's from Portsmouth, which's on the South coast here in
the UK, but she moved to London when she was sixteen,
so that just tells you all about her determination to
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sort of to make it in music. But she left
home really early and moved to London to be an
artist really and so she's been in loads of bands
over the years. But she's including a band called pre Goblin,
who you and I both quite liked, who have an
incredible name, and they released a couple of great albums
probably eight nine years ago now. So she's been doing
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the solo thing as Jessica Winter for the last or
two three four years. She's released like a mini album
in twenty twenty three called Limerens, which I really loved,
and like you say, there is going to be a
four length album in twenty twenty five two Things Tonight.
Before we get into this one, you can go and
check out clips of the chat on our socials. We're
Midnight Chats Pod on Instagram if you're going to have
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a look at that. And yeah, we didn't want to
sit on this any longer. We've been waiting to put
it out for a year, so we thought, yeah, let's
just get it out there. And we really like jess
so we like a music. Go see her live. She's
an amazing live artist. But for the moment, let's just
let's just get into this. I started by talking to
her about her production work because she's produced for other
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artists as well, and ended up talking to her about
being sick on the steps of a very famous Soho
nightclub in London.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So let's just get into it now.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I started really producing with pre Goblin. That was when
I really started doing it properly. And I didn't even
think I was doing it properly. It was just it
was just like, I have this recording software and I'm
going to make your a start. And I think from
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having to start off with someone like Alex Sebley from
pre Goblin, I don't know if you know him, from
having to start off with someone like that, then you
realize like, oh, like all artists wherever you come from,
are obviously doing this, like trying to express something, and
actually we're all quite similar in even though we all
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wear different clothes and we look and we have different
things we want to say, but actually like it all
comes from a place, a similar place. And I think
that when I'm in producer mode where I've come from
in my past, my childhood, I've always been like the
one that's the strong one for the family. And I
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think because artists are quite unstable, very much like that
my parents have been when I was growing up, I'm
very used to characters like that, so I can definitely
like put my arm around them in a musical musical
sense and be like we're going to be okay, Like
we're going to make something and it's going to sound
all right. Actually and it was, And I think like
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people can be calmed in that situation and we can
actually get something good, because if if you're unstable and
they're unstable in that situation, then you're just going to
create a mess. You need you do need to be
able to put yourself like be a strong person for
people coming in the room.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
So it sounds like it's almost like fifty percent emotional
management and fifty percent sort of production of the music
all the day totally. And what have you learned in
terms of like what works then like or what works
for you and your collaborators in those scenarios everything.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
For what works for me is to not expect anything
when someone walks in the room because you never know,
Like you think you know what you're doing, and you
don't like every day, every song it always comes about
in a completely different way. It does for me anyway. Yeah,
you can sit and stack make some chords and like
or come up with a melody, but I still every
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time a song comes out, I'm like, how did that happen?
Speaker 6 (17:15):
Again?
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Like there is no set form. But that's what's so
magical about music. I think you can never you never
really know. You're just each time is a fluke. I
think I don't think it's great to have the right energy,
the right energy in room and just to get on
with the people and actually not take it too seriously.
As soon as you start taking too seriously, you're you're
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not going to get a good song.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I think, have you.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Ever been in that situation and been in a situation
where you're in a room, you're with a producer or
sort of gone with it and realized, I don't want
to this is not for me doing it like this
or like or something that cemented your own dedication to
wanting to do it on your own.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yeah, I was working with I won't like name some people,
but I've been working with a lot of like male
producers and not I don't want to trash men because
of men.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I like men.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
But as in just in that time that it was,
it was just like, you are here to sing, and
I know what sounds good. Leave that to me. Whereas
I've always been obsessed with all of it, Like I
love when I'm walking to a studio, I want to
know all the buttons and I want to press all
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the things and I want to I just like I
really I get fascinated when things like that, but it
didn't feel like it was my place, and I really
wanted to learn. So I spent like five years being
in a studio and always sitting on the couch. But
because instead of me doing what most artists are meant
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to do, which is just like go in, do their
bit and then they lead the producer to I just
sat there for the whole time and I was just watching, watching,
watching watching watching, and even though I didn't even learn
specifically like why things were happening, I was just watching
how and what made things feel right. And then eventually
I think you also grow up and get when you
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get past like twenty five twenty six, I think like
that's when you get more perspective on the world of
what actually sounds good and what actually feels good, because
when you're when I was, when I was eighteen, I
had no idea what actually sounded a good. What I
thought sounded good was now if I listened to it
is sounds terrible. And I do think you need a
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bit of age to just like understand what sounds good
and how it feels.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
So you moved to London like a relatively early age,
like in as like a late teenager. Yeah, yeah, and
like you had some experiences, particularly with men in the
music industry like managers and producers and whatnot. You'd remarked
at one point about how like you'd like to support
other young women coming into the music space so that
they are safe and secure and feel supported, particularly those
young ages.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
I was speaking to Kay who's from What Publishing about it,
because on the roster at the time when I first
signed to what was one of the guys i'd had
a bad experience with, and she was so great and
we both came up with an idea. Even if they
don't take it for serious, it's almost to say like
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we're a publisher and we're putting you in the studio
with this producer. When we do that, this producer will
be sent We're basically like a short bullet pointed letter
of we are watching you. We will know what's going on.
These are things we do, not condone, these are things
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we do. And it's just like a really simple bullet
pointed PDF document that gets sent. And just from having that,
I think that would deter people and make them remember
like this is a work environment rather than just like hell, yeah,
we'll get this hot girl in and then it will
(20:59):
take her to the pub and then we're going to
try it on because actually know this is work. Just
try and make it work.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yeah, like a behavior rider that everybody like set.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
The expectations have been like these spaces should be safe
for everybody and productive, and there's an expectation that everybody
treats to other with respect.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
And I do think people are shit scared now way
more and I think that definitely that's a good thing
and things won't be as as just normalized as they
used to be, So that's encouraging.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I think definitely.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Well, let's make a plan for distributing that method further
throughout the industry, because I think we can all all
encourage that if we hear about that as like initiative
and like support that and kept behind that without getting
too much like Spotify wrapped on it your year and
like everything that's been happening to do that, what would
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we be hearing on your Spotify raps.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
By the way, thank you so much guys all the
streams keeping my dream alive. Well that rhymed. I'm going
to do that.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Bank that one you need it in about three weeks time. Yeah,
what I mean, your year sounds kind of spectacular in
terms of like you're involvement in some really interesting sounding
projects I'd like to ask you about. But it started
like January time started you went on tour with Rebecca
Black in the UK, which sounded like an absolute hoot
(22:26):
to be completely honest, what was the reality like?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
It was? It was so good again it said like
if you're getting put on the road with some the
right people, and the energy was just so it was
so fun. And as soon as I think that was
the first night on the on the tour, and then
we were introduced to each other and I'm obviously a
stan and and then I think when she saw my
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show and the people I was hanging around with, I
think she knew, Okay, this person's like okay, like she's safe,
She's not going to like troll me or something. So yeah,
we I think we became fast friends from that. And
then on the very last night of the tour, I
wanted to take her out to like a classic London
(23:10):
soho night out on like a vibe. It wasn't a
dive bar. We ended off in the box.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Okay, yeah, wow, what did Rebecca blackmake of a Soho
night out in the Box.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
And it was funny because her manager was there as well.
He's quite like your classic La Jewish manager guy, and
his his eyes were like popping out of his head
because of what he saw. If anyone's listening and doesn't
know what the Box is, the Box is like a blesque,
quite a high class burlesque underground club in the heart
(23:43):
of so Hoo. Yeah, and it's full of sleazy rich
men basically, but the best talented, talented, most amazing performers
you'll ever see. So I wanted to just show that
kind of juxtaposition of well, it kind of sums up
London a lot. And so when we were there, like
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a guy one of the performers, I think he took
a drill out and drilled a hole into his penis,
and the manager looked like he'd seen a ghost, lost
all color in his face. And the next day when
I saw him, was still like, I can't believe what
I just saw, Like it was so good.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Anyway, the night progressed and I ended up getting extremely
drunk and then ended up being sick on the stairs
of the entrance of the box, really lowering the class
and Rebecca was holding my hair back for me. So yeah,
I just drawn my.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Box so much beauty in that story. What did Rebecca
Black make of the penis drill?
Speaker 4 (24:47):
She was loving it. I think I heard her say
slick at that point. I used to be a pantomime
child and I basically did the pantomimes every year in Portsmouth,
(25:15):
And so they would get some like Z list soap
opera person to play the lead role.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
So we've got somebody from Emmerdale, We've got Jack in
the Giant bean stare.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Yeah did that one? I did them all with bang
bang oh yeah, and I actually got to play the
lead child, but I played Jeremy. I was always cast
a boy for something. Yeah, and I just loved They're
not musicals obviously, well they kind of are.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
But lots lots of musicals.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
But yeah, I just always loved I loved it.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I love opera musical And I'm actually I am actually
writing a musical theater show at the moment, I can't yet.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Okay, fair enough, what we're so musical theater shows? Beyond
the pantomime stuff that you did?
Speaker 1 (26:08):
What were the what are the big ones for you?
Speaker 4 (26:11):
What's anything whe Stephensonheim. I loved I love stephenson Heim's work.
I just think the pace of it and and the
underlying political messages wrapped around Hollywood themes are just perfect.
And I think that's what we need to digest important messages.
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And I think that's what's so powerful about musical theater
in general, is that you can you can dress it
up literally on a stage, sparkling, and some of the
most powerful messages can come through with that. I don't
I'm not really a fan of andre Lloyd Webber. I
know I saw Phantom of the Opera. That was the
most recent thing, right, that was a few months ago,
(26:52):
three months ago.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Is that like just a classically you have to tick off?
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Yeah, you had to. I just had to take that
one off, and I enjoyed it. There's some notes in Phantom. Actually,
that one is good because some of the you know,
when it goes like the guy what's his name, the
man behind the mask, and he goes, oh, like that,
and it just holds it went on for so long.
(27:16):
It's just that same note ah, and then underneath the
most crazy descending chromatic chords. It's just that's so pleasing.
You can't do that in musical theater.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
You've also been writing a score for a TV show.
What can you tell us about that?
Speaker 4 (27:34):
It's it's actually I'm I'm not doing it alone. I'm
doing it with someone called what I don't know if
you've heard of them. And we we've got a lot. Yeah,
what do I say?
Speaker 1 (27:48):
We've got We've we've got a commission. Oh was it?
Speaker 4 (27:52):
We've got a commission from Amazon and it's called Dead
Hot and it's a queer teen horror. Six episodes, forty
five minutes per episode. There's a lot of work. It's
a lot of work. I didn't realize how much work.
Like I've done a couple of scores before for CBBC
(28:13):
and each episode was twenty minutes and I found that
a lot. And now it's forty five minutes. So it's
a double but there's two of us doing at this time.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
So yeah, how have you sort of found a dynamic
to work together on it?
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Yeah, we've got a really good relationship and we we're
both just really workaholics, I think on it, and just
so you have to be, so you have to just
like zone in. But it's been really difficult because I've
been gigging, so it's been really broken up and we've
ended up just becoming one person. So everywhere I am,
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he is right, and so if I'm in Lisbon, if
I'm in Paris, he'll be there. We'll just have to
set up camp when I'm not gigging. And then just
like score course school, we're on episode five at the.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Moment, okay, so you're almost there.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Almost there, almost at the finish line.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
This show sounds great.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Yeah, it's the creators of It's a Sin, which is
obviously amazing TV show. So this is a bit lighter,
much more silly. It's more like who did it? Where
like there's so so many twists and turns that you
think you know that basically it is two characters, Peter
(29:29):
and Jess, which is funny enough. What Oh's real name
and my name is? And that's why it's bizarre with
the first lines of the show when when it starts
as Peter Jazz and we were.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
Just like what.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
They have been trauma bonded because Peter's boyfriend is Jess's
brother who disappeared and just left a finger behind, and
so then you have to figure out who did it? Where,
why did they do it where is he gone? Is
he alive? Is he not? And it just takes you
(30:06):
on like so many different twists and turns, and it's
just quite funny. And there's some really great eccentric characters
throughout the show. One of my favorite actors, isn't it
called Peter serafinowitch.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Ah, who I love?
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah? And when you have an extremely rare night off?
Is that the kind of TV show you stick? Honor?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Have you got like a certain thing you like to
relax to?
Speaker 4 (30:29):
I only really watched Married at First Sight?
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Okay, I've I've heard about this. I should I should
know what this is? Obviously? Is this the thing? Can
you educate me?
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Is this the thing where people get married and based
on like their psychological profile?
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Okay, it's really riveting stuff, really great.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Stuff, And it's relaxing TV for you.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
It's so relaxing, it's so mind numbing, numbingly amazing. But
it's actually you can't help but get so into it
because you follow these couples around for two months and
you just just just want to get into the psyche
of it all, and it's just so like, how is
this happening? And why? And just the fact that it
(31:15):
is happening is mental like going onto a TV show,
getting married to a complete stranger, moving in with them,
then they're meeting their parents then there. It's just it's
actually so inspiring.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Would you ever do it?
Speaker 4 (31:29):
No, I would never do that. I'm very happy to
watch it good.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, yeah, what do the wheels always come off? Or
because basically I'm aware of the show, but I've never
really properly watched it.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Do the wheels? Does it ever have a happy ending?
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Well, I just we're right at the end. Now, we've
got one episode left, so I don't know what I'm
going to do with myself when it's finished, But yeah,
there is. It looks like there's a couple of couples
that may have a future together. To believe that, I
don't want it all to end in tiers.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
I kind of like it.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I get the impression that, like modern dating is like
really hard work, and so there's something quite appealing about
just being.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Thrown into that.
Speaker 7 (32:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Actually you don't have to do any.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Of the nonsense of like you know, it definitely profile matched.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
It definitely shows the willingness that you It's almost like
arranged marriages. There is a real high success rate of
arranged marriages because both of these people know they've got
no choice about this and they're going to have to
make it work. And so there is something in that
where without having like a limitless app of people that
(32:41):
you can tap into and meet, then you have less
options and less choice and you just make a go
of it more. And I think that maybe it's what
we maybe need. Let's bring back arranged marriages for all.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
And see what happens.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
So there you go. That is Jessica Winter on Midnight Chats.
Loved speaking to jess for that, And I know what
you mean about jess and her vibe and her voice.
G She's got like a sort of infectious laugh. She's
just just good, good vibes Jessica Winter. And I should
mention that the soundtrack work that she was talking about
for that Amazon Prime show which is called Dead Hot,
(33:27):
that series is out now, so if people do want
to go and watch it and listen to the work
that she was doing on that that did come out
this year twenty twenty four. I've added it to my
list of stuff to watch over the Christmas break because
I don't watched that much TV recently.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
The CBBS. You know she mentioned she's soundtrack cbb's I
looked into what that was. It's called for anyone that
is desperate to know, like I was. It's called Princess Mirabelle.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
It ran for two seasons and it looks it looks
kind of unwatchable as a show. But I'm saying that
as a forty year old man. It's a drama. It's like,
you know, it's not.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
You are not the target audience for this show.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
It's a drama about a girl who looks in the
mirror and her reflection is like comes to life and
creates havoc.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
But yeah, that's what that was.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
She's had kind of a quiet issue, like at least
to us as listeners this year, just go into But
she's going to be winded up to do some stuff
next year in twenty twenty five. But she is playing
a show before the end of the year. She's playing
at London's Moth Club on the twentieth of December.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yes, she's playing at I wanted to give this a
quick shower actually because she is playing at a fundraiser
for a publication called hate Zine, which.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
You may know.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
It's hate Scene is that they're currently raising funds to
publish their seventh edition of their magazine. As someone that
has done this myself for many years, publishing magazines, I
know how hard it is to do that. So they
are putting together this fundraiser. Jess Winter is headlining. So
also playing is Dan Carey's new band called Miss Tiny
(35:10):
is Dan and Ben from Childhood. They've got stalls, they've
got raffles. Check out what Hate Scene is all about.
It it's a publication about social justice through music and
art and writing and poetry and all sorts of things.
What they do is great. Got a huge Instagram following,
so to give them a follow on there. But that Yeah,
as Greg said, that's happening on the twenty if of December,
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and that's I think that's the next time you can
see Jessica Winter play.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I think it is.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
And can I just say before we move on from
talking about jess Winter, I'm not sure we will ever
get another person, another artist speaking on midnight Chats who
shares a story about so many drilling out hole through
a penis.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
Through that penis.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, I mean, I hope that's not true. I hope
at least one other guest comes in with that you
do yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
That's our. That's our that's her new Year's resolution.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
That's her next goal. If you're listening, if you're an
artist and you have seen this with your own eyes,
you are welcome on the show anytime. I like that.
That happened with Rebecca Black and what you know that
Rebecca Black Black song Friday, which made her a oh yeah,
(36:21):
internet sensation and a meme when she was maybe twelve
fourteen something like that. As a kid, I'm going to
put a link to Friday. I sing that song all
the time and I like.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
That song.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
For anyone that doesn't know the Rebecca Black story. Young girl,
her parents pay for her to make a pop video.
There was a company in America who would let who
would basically, you could pay them to make you a
staff for the day and they shoot a video and
they write a song together. And she did that and
she put it online and lots of people really hated
on it, which is so unbeliefab them.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Some parts of the internet decided to sort of label
it as the worst song ever, the worst of all time.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
I think it's a banger. Friday. Friday got to get
down on Friday. I sing it.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Not every Friday, I must admit, but when.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
I remember to I sing it, and the fact that
she was there for the penis trail and then she
said sligh after it, I think makes this whole episode
probably the best episode we've ever done.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
I think Rebecca, Rebecca Black is the real winner here
and I just love that that story ends with Rebecca
Black holding Jessica Winters on the street and you just think, wow, yeah,
if you just if you went out on the night
out with your hero, that's where you want to end up, right,
that's just so good. We should leave folks with some
(37:51):
new music recommendations. It's that time of the week. It
is beat the algorithmath.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
How are you feeling about the jingle? Greg, Now we've
had the jingle in for a few weeks now, maybe
a couple of months.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Still loving it.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Actually, I'm worried people new new listeners might think it's
it's on it it's earnest, right, you know that they might.
I don't want us to sound like Radio X basically,
and I'm.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Worried we do.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
But hey, hey, if you are new to the podcast,
this is a little section that we do at the
end of every episode where we just tell you what
we think you should be checking out and try and
give you an actual personable recommendation.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
I'm going to go.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
First, Greg, Oh, feel free.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
I'm going to suggest people go and listen to Maria Somerville,
who has released an album before. Self released an album
called All My People back in twenty nineteen, but since
then has signed to the four AD label. Has an
album coming next year, I presume. I don't think anything's
(39:06):
been announced, but a new single has come out called Projections,
and I went to see Maria last week. I had
a gig of weeks last week. I saw Maria Somerville.
I went to Charlie XCX to see her Brat's victory
lap here in London in obviously incredible scenes. But we've
spoken enough about Charlie, but it was it was amazing.
(39:27):
She did at one point spit on the stage and
lick it up. Oh, it was a little bit not
loose that I've written letters of complained about that.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
She was.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, obviously everything she did was hilariously provocative.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
And what was the other thing.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
I went to see Cassandra Jenkins as well, so three
very different gigs, but Maria's gig was in a small
smoke filled room backlit a lot of dry. Ice plays
with a band. Now, I don't think she did the
last time I saw, but she she's got four piece
and they It's very shoe gayzy droney and is quite
(40:05):
you know, immersive music. But this is Projections, the first
single that she has released on a new label deal
with for a D. So, yeah that's Maria, Somevin. What
(40:50):
have you got?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Do you remember you?
Speaker 3 (40:52):
And I listened to an album called Stray by an
American band called Bambara Loads in the Office.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, kay yeah, Sa.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Sarah, Yeah what tune that is. If people don't know,
go and check it out.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
For fans of the War on Drugs, Nick cave in
the Bad Seeds, that's your vibe basically on this like
kind of dark rock stuff. A few years ago they
released an album called Stray that Stu and I really
love listening to it. Loads in the Office I remember
us sticking that on an almost daily basis when it
came out. Anyway, Bambara back with new music. They're going
to be releasing a new album in twenty twenty five,
(41:29):
which is called Birthmarks. That's coming out in March on
Bella Union. And this is a track called Pray to Me,
which is the first song they're releasing from that new album.
Speaker 6 (41:40):
Lameless c Jeez, she the Current, Seeing Your Contry, ky
(42:08):
Mist the car from film Shoe, this schools strip of
flag Flies, I'm gonna breed Hello Winner.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Well a great band there are three piece from Athens, Georgia.
It's a good drive in music, I think stew I
like to drive to whilst listening to Bambara And yeah,
I'm excited about the release of new stuff from them
because it's been a little while. So get that album
on your on your pre stream, on your on on
your on your saved items so that or.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Pre order it from our price whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
To do exactly. But that's it for me. I'm enjoying
Bambara at the moment.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Excellent. Well, once again we have reached the end of
the podcast. I've had a lovely time. I hope everyone
is enjoyed the Jessica Winter Chat because I really enjoyed it,
and do check her out. I think she's probably gonna
have a big year next year when that record does
come whenever that is next week. We will be here,
as Greg said at the top of this episode, with
(43:26):
our Albums of the Year special, so do drop us
a line with your albums of the year. Until then, though,
thank you for listening to Midnight Chats. It's always a joy.
There's a lot of podcasts out there and you've chosen
this one, which makes you a very intelligent and sexy person.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Because I just say, I listened to my own podcast,
so I'm pleased to hear that.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Thanks for a compliments.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Ah, welcome, good Night were Wolves.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Midnight Chats is a joint production between Loud and Quiet
and Atomized Studios for iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
It's hosted by Stuart Stubbs and Greg Cochrane, mixed and
mastered by Flow Lines, and edited by Stuart Stubbs.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Find us on Instagram and TikTok to watch clips from
our recordings at.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Much much more. We are Midnight Chats pod.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
For more information, visit loudan Quiet dot com.
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