December 17, 2024 • 43 mins
Brighton/Bristol/London band Squid have made a new album all about evil bastards. It's called Cowards, and will be released 7 February 2025.
They've not spoken about it much just yet, but with Christmas here, what better time is there to sit down with Ollie and Louis from the band to discuss songs about cannibalism, Andy Warhol's wig, how they feel these days about their biggest song, and what happens when one member of the band vitoes an idea and breaks the heart of the rest of the group.
Merry Christmas, one and all!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good evening. I'm Greg Cochran, Good evening, I'm Stuart Stubbs.
We are a couple of journalists who've been working in
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
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Speaker 1 (00:33):
Hello, Greg, Hi, Stu. Hi. Everyone got one week till Christmas? Now? Yeah,
people listening mine not notice. But you have historically hated Christmas?
Which does I say a lot of things on this
podcast about you that are lies? But that's not is it.
How are you feeling We're like seven days out from
(00:54):
Christmas when this podcast comes out.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, I've taken this year. I've got a new approach. Yes,
that's good.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Ignore it. Oh okay, you're going to just ignore it.
I pretend it's not. I like the fact that you're
sticking strong this even with two young children.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, I'm going to ignore the pure expressions of delight
on their faces, and I'm going to say, no, you
can't have a special Christmas lunch. You're going to have
spaghetti hoops for the tenth time this week again. Yeah. No,
I'm feeling all right. I'm actually yeah, Christmas hathn't been
terrible so far. I'm just waiting for it to collapse
(01:36):
because it always does.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
That's the spirit, mate, I think this is what people want,
spreading joy, spreading enjoy. With the podcast, we have a
guest on this week's podcast, final podcast before Christmas. We
know Squid on the show, which we will introduce very shortly.
But first of all, thanks to everyone that listened to
our Albums of the Year special last week. It was
(01:59):
really fun to to record and it went down really well.
People really enjoyed it. We've got lots of nice comments
and we've got a question Greg that has been sent
to us from Jemma Harris. And Gemma has this question
to ask having listened to our Albums of the Year podcast. Okay, Hi,
Midnight Chat got a question for the pod. Why would
(02:23):
bands release albums towards the end of November.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
When all the end of year lists have already been done.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Why would bands release albums towards the end of November
when all of the end of year lists are done.
Jemma did send a follow up to that, saying she's
particularly thinking about the Father John Misty records that's come
out very late this year. I think I've got a
few answers to this question, actually.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I mean I've got a few ideas. One, maybe they
think that it's kind of irrelevant and they don't care. Yeah, yeah, Two,
I think the schedules are busy, aren't they. If you're
trying to get stuff like vinyl made and all that
kind of thing, you just find a slot, and so
maybe maybe there's a sense of having to force to
(03:13):
be do that.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Maybe I'm just that's pure speculation. What are your theories
on this?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I think there's a few reasons. I think one is that, actually,
you know, most of these lists are put together by
journalists and publications that will have had those records early,
Like you know that Father John missed the album, for example,
would have they probably have had it for two months
because we get everything sent to us early so we
can review them and set up interviews and all that.
(03:39):
Sort of things. So and most of the time, if
that record is a real winner and it's come out,
even if it comes out the day there list comes out,
it will still be included in that list. We've done
that before in Loud and Quirt. I remember Richard Dawson
put out an album very late in the year, but
we'd had it and we knew it is going to
(04:00):
be on our list, so we put that on the list.
I think there's that. I think you're right. I think
some artists just do not care. I also think it's
like a bit of a flex for some artists to
drop things after them they come out. Scissor did this
a few years ago, drop an album that would have
probably been on everybody's list, but you drop in after
(04:22):
the lists to troll everybody. It makes a little bit
of like people talk about it, but like, oh and
you know, it becomes like a bit of an online
joke that m she's like she's destroyed disrupted all the lists.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, there's like three fallow weeks, isn't there between the
end of year lists. There's three fallow weeks in the
world of music. The end of year lists, tracks, albums
come out and then there's this like fortnight before Christmas,
and then there's like the weirds basically Christmas and New Year,
and then like when you get into the New Year,
it's like people, there's a lot of stuff released now
in January and Februy time, and so somebody might see
(04:57):
that as an opportunity, right, Like I remember Little Sims
dropping a mixed for it was under twenty third of December.
It's almost ten years ago now, and it was like, wow,
that is a move, like to drop it in that
space where almost you think is anybody watching, there's anybody
listening at that point, is everybody literally got their heads
stuck in a box of celebrations and they're not listening
(05:18):
to what's going on in the Internet.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I have always found it quite strange, like when we've
come back from Christmas before, I've looked at the stats
for our website before and looked at Christmas Day, thinking well, clearly,
no one that will be a zero on Christmas Day,
and been shocked to find that some people have looked
at our website on Christmas Day.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
It's the first thing that I do, to be honest, you,
I wake up and I think I'm just gonna check
Loud and Quiet dot com. Who's going on next? And
then I think has Santa been?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I think it is worth also noting on this question,
why does some artists release so late in the year.
It'll always be big artists. You won't find a new
young band doing that because the lists really do can
make a difference to them and does matter to them.
So Father and John Misty, for example, he can do it.
(06:10):
It can fit into his brand of being a misanthrope. Anyway,
his fans are going to find that record, whether it's
on a list or not. The lists are going to
be upset when they loved the album and they've not
put it on there, and it would have gone to
those artists before. So like he's he's just got it
sewn up someone like him. Yeah, thank you for your question, Jamma.
(06:31):
Any questions that anyone else has, please do send them
our way. You can easily get in touch with us
mostly on Instagram at Midnight Chats Pod.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Like you said those youew. Tonight is our last episode
of Midnight Chats before Christmas, but we're going to give
you all a special Christmas present and bring you another
episode of the podcast over the holidays and it's basically
our we're going to take a look, take a look
back on music in twenty twenty four, and we've kind
of taken a magnifying glass to it and we've also
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taken a sledgehammer to it.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I feel yes, the Year in Review, for disclosure has
been pre recorded. This is going to come out on
Christmas Day night at midnight, so it'll be with you
first thing Boxing Day, by which time you'll be absolutely
sick of Christmas and you'll be thinking, oh God, I
miss I missed the voice of Stuart Stubbs and Greg Cochran.
That's all I really wanted for Christmas, and it will
(07:25):
be there. But we didn't want to record it on
Christmas Day. Greg Greg probably did I did. Actually that
would have been stup down for it.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
No, no, can I can I take this opportunity to
say though, this year has been really fun making the
podcast every week. I know we're gain to Christmas, but like,
thanks to everybody that's been listening. More people are listening
to midnight Chats than ever before. Thanks for tuning in,
like we do. Hope you have like a really nice holidays.
Putting my cynicism aside. Yeah, thanks for listening, and yeah,
(07:57):
by all means, feel free to tell all of you
annoying friends and family around the kitchen table about midnight
chats if you'd like to give us a gift.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
It's Christmas. What I will say about next week's episode,
I feel this probably needs to be said. It's loose,
It's very very loose. It's very rambling, but it is us. Yeah,
looking back at the year, one last look at twenty
twenty four. How will that year be remembered? That's what
we will be discussing on next week's podcast. This week's podcast,
(08:27):
So we do have two guests, two members of Squid,
the band from well, it depends, it depends what era
you're talking about. That from Brighton, that from Bristol, that
from London. They now live, different members live in all
of those different cities where they've operated in the past.
But I met up with Olie and Louis from the band,
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and the reason we spoke about a week and a
half ago now was because they've got a new album
coming out and it's called Cowards, which is going to
be the best album title of any album really next year,
that's true. And it's an album about evil people. So
Happy Christmas everybody.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
And can I just say, do you intentionally leave this
interview on a cliffhanger?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Stewart, there is a cliffhanger. Let's not ruin that now
because we're going to come back after this interview. There
is a cliffhanger at the end.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
It's like east Enders Christmas Day Special.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Right, it really is. We will come back until then,
please enjoy this conversation between myself, Ollie and Louis from
The Bad Squid.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
We had a Squid Christmas curry the other night and
we were going to have our managers come, but both
of them were busy, so we got our mate Jake
to come instead.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
But it was such a success. Did Jake have to
come because you always need a manager with you? He's
quite a managerial type friend. What made me think we
need an ext We do need something. We still need someone,
but yeah, we need someone.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I think we were kind of like, because what we're
going to do is we've got our We've got our
Wise business card that we use when we're on tour,
and we're like, we're going to get curry on the
Wise business card. Anton made a poster esteemed guests like
Laurie and Shanaide and that the main thing is we'll
have curry and pints and we'll put on the wise card.
And then we were like, well, now that Tash and
Shade like coming, we we can't just be the five of.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Us, No, I think maybe, like we booked the table
for seven, so you know, to dropouts is that's pretty rude.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
But one dropout exactly fine.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
And you know our mate Jake got to pretend to
be our manager for the night.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Was there a speech?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I feel like Arthur would have done one, but I
don't think he went party hats Yeah, Christmas, Christmas Cracker.
This was still in November as well.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
It felt a bit perverse to have a Christmas party
and in kind of late November.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
But then you suggested let's do it on the eighteenth,
because again, yeah, another Christmas career and then maybe this
time the managers will be free.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
If not, it's fine, Jay can come again, just keep going.
Ja gets the goal. It's like you know what I'm going. Yeah,
I suppose it probably gets to a point where you
have to think about getting new managers. Right. There's a
certain number of times when the managers are refusing to
come to.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Your little black Market come on.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
But yeah, then it's then it's Christmas holidays.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Yeah, I think I'm seeing Beak maybe around that time,
which I'm looking forward.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
To one of the last Jeff Barrow shows.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Yeah, I think maybe the last UK Jeff Barrows show.
This is in Bristol, is it, Yes, Yeah, I'm looking
forward to that.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Well. Hey, the new album is called Cowards It indeed
it's about evil and evil people. Happy Christmas everyone, Christmas.
Let's just talk about how so how does that come back?
At what point did you decide this album is going
to be about that, about evil, and that it's going
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to have this theme like running through the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
I mean usually like when a kind of write a
song about something and then I think, oh, that's that's
quite cool, and then I write another song, another set
of lyrics, and it kind of has a thread running
through it. It kind of springboards into oh, maybe the
whole album will be about this. And I just so
(12:31):
it happened to be reading a bunch of books that
were kind of mainly about evil, horrible people, and I
thought it was quite fun.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, just so happens when you've kind of got like
a sort of a carb taste in novels.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, yeah, big time. And he's actualared by the whole band.
Do you all like creepy stuff? I think. I mean,
Laurie is quite squeamish.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I think, isn't He's quite screamish. I think Arthur's quite
speamish too. Yeah, but I think I think everyone likes reading,
but ultimately like got pretty different interests and obsessions. Like
people go down kind of little rabbit holes of one,
one or two things, and that's usually like the kind
of stuff that comes to the surface when we start
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working on the album.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
We will kind of be like, oh, have you heard
they talk about this on this podcast?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
With this book's kind of talking about this, and like
Anton started reading slaughter House five by Kavanaga, which I
hadn't read in years and years and years, and then.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Kind of inspired me to read that again.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Yeah, and yeah, I think I think a big thing
is that the previous records that we've made, a lot
of them felt pretty place place specific or kind of
inspired by imaginary places, and this felt a lot to
do with kind of both imaginary people and real people
as well.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yeah, I think it's like once you like, once you
kind of get one theme going you kind of just
run with it, because yeah, I found that really hard
with the last record. I was like, what the hell
does this all mean? Like trying to like tie all together.
It's very like fragmented. But this was just kind of
like laid out.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
As a band, Like you're such a collaborative. But I
suppose the fact that we were just talking about you going.
You know, you still hang out, you still go for meals,
even when it's not actually anywhere near Christmas, it turns out,
but you're obviously still like really close and tie it.
But I remember in the beginning you were always very
very collaborative on every single element of the band. Now
(14:35):
three albums in, have you still retained that ability to
just work on everything together all the time.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Yeah, I mean all the music's written still exactly the
same as how we probably wrote our first ever song together.
We all get together in a room and write together.
But I think kind of when it comes to yeah,
I guess the lyrics lyrics are still shared out. I
think and Anton wrote the last track on the new record,
(15:05):
you wrote chromegnum Man, So there's still like divvying out
of lyrics and singing. But I think we've kind of
we've realized our kind of strengths. Now we kind of
like go into when we're recording, like little corners, like
you guys all sort out the kind of scores and
stuff because I can't write or read music, and then
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I'll go off and bang my head against the wall
and try and figure out what I'm going to say
on the track. Yeah, so we've all got like our
little kind of like roles when we're recording, which is
kind of still collaborative.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Same. Yeah, I think that's impressive. It's impressive that you
are all still so tight, you know, and that you've
that you're you're obviously quite Is it safe to say
you're good at not being control freaks? Is anyone a
control freak in the band? Not more than anyone else.
Maybe we're all control freaks, I think yeah. I think
that's why. Maybe that's the key. We all get kind
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of like.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
One of us will get really attached to a certain thing, like,
you know, a particular technique we want to try out
in the mix maybe, or something that we want to
do where.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
There's always me being like.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
We should have a bit where it's like call and response.
It never comes true and everyone's like, stop doing around.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
We should all introduce what each other's play.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, yeah, I mean please help me. But yeah, we
were all got to take it in terms for that
sort of stuff. But ultimately, I think we've got way
better at not getting too attached to things and ideas
or even like tracks as a whole, because there's always
going to be too much music for the record.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Do you have a rule? Is there a rule? You know?
The Beatles famously had a rule that if anyone member
didn't like something, they didn't do it, Like one person
could be crush a whole. That kind of does happen
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
It does happen. Yeah, it depends how because how strong
your opinion is on it.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I guess yeah, because it's like sometimes we're like almost
then the ends in sight and you can see like.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Oh yeah, and this is sounded really really good, and
then someone will be like.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I actually hate it, and everyone will go oh, like
we were so close to like this could have been
so easy, and then someone's little But in that.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Instance, people, is it like okay, it's done then or it.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Is genuinely crushing. Sometimes I absolutely loved this and thought
it was going to be amazing. But then when you
think about that on reflection, it's like, you know, it's
like imagine going on tour and you've made this song happen,
and then you've got to play this song hundreds of
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times and that.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
One person who doesn't like it.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's the that's the big one.
I think like, as we've got more tracks now, like
three albums worth, and then some older stuff, it's like
that balance of some old stuff feeling really like we've
done it to death, and then some old stuff that
we want to bring back, but like a few people
are like, I've never really clicked with playing this one.
(18:18):
It's like that balance that's kind of always something to
think about, and I sup in a way it's probably
pretty good because it like it keeps you at least
being willing to try out, you know, doing weird stuff
in the set and bringing back.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Songs that people.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
We did that with Broadcaster a Bit, which was the
first EP we did on Warp. We didn't play that
for like two years, and then we were like we
could turn that into one of the bits where we
it's not really a song, but it's more a jam
that's been built out of all the electronics on stage,
so we brought brought broadcaster back into that and it's.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Like, yeah, I hated that song, but I really really
disliked it, and we were recording it and I was
just like, really.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
But you just keep it to yourself.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I saw, like that's another thing that if you see
everyone around you, like getting so excited about something and
you're the only one that has a problem with it, Yeah,
do you kind of on the flip side.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Think like maybe maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I always think I think I've chatted to Anton about
this before, but like I always think like we do
bin ideas like quite ruthlessly and regularly. And I always
think about no surprises by Radiohead. If one of us
came to a rehearsal or a writing session with that riff,
(19:34):
oh yeah, yeah, we'd instantly been it. I think like,
just imagine just that one riff and like someone plays
it and they're like, what do you think of this?
Speaker 5 (19:42):
And it's like, you know, someone would be like don't
you think it's a bit sweet?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah? Yeah, I would be.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Like don't you think it's a bit like yeah, but
it's an amazing song. And I kind of think, like,
how many. How many amazing songs have we have we
been been no surprises? How many once?
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Being too too good about our song writing?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Is there a track that like fans call out for
every time? How do you feel about it?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
We didn't do ourselves any favors by playing it at
Glastonbury for the first time elate two years, because now
everyone's like, well, maybe they will play house Plants, house
Plants and.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
His house Plants, your creep. Yeah, I mean for me
reluctantly plan, but you know people want it. Yeah, yeah,
So do you play it? Is it in the set
or is it like in the set sometimes a bit
like Creep.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
We didn't play it for like two years, and then
we kind of brought it back under the kind of
oh but well, we'll make it a bit more electronic,
a bit more current, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I don't have a Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, and it did work. Actually, my dad texted me
after we played it and he said, oh, yeah, it
sounded like orbital.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Just keep doing it, like, yeah, there's newer stuff that
feels more relevant and like it's a bit more challenging
to do. And that's kind of not that, not that
we're always trying to challenge ourselves by saying, let's take
them the most difficult of our music to pull off live,
but the newest stuff involves to us, I think a
(21:18):
bit more of a kind of colorful range of different
sort of sounds and textures and different parts. Yea, yeah,
And that's always just I think in making yourself a
little bit challenged, you are just kind of keeping touring
and performing as a whole feeling like fresh and like
you're pushing yourself a bit.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah. I think there's also something when you've got a
song like that that your fans love and when it's
and it tends to always be a really early song,
it's like a double edged sword because in one sense,
you're like, we've got that, We've written this song that
people just love so much, and I want to hear it,
and that's obviously like a lovely thing to have done,
like you know, very very few people manage to do that.
(21:57):
But then obviously you've played it a million times, you
don't want to play it, and maybe it's nice to
keep it as you play it occasionally because then the
people that see it get to see it. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah,
it's a tricky line, isn't it, Because people expect it
(22:18):
every time they're not coming to all of your shows. Yeah, yeah,
I want to let the one I'm coming to. And
it's such a it's such a balance, so I can
I can completely see why it would drive you mad. Yeah,
like play the same song over and over again.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah, and it's like, yeah, it is nice that you know,
we've written a song that people love, but it's just
like it makes you want to play it less when
like you're in like a really quiet, like delicate moment
of the set and you just like hear someone from the.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
One we know I have. I have dj' house plants
on them. Of occasions I've played it out and I
can stop doing that because that's not helping, is it. No? No,
you no, you carry on, You carry on because they're
getting that field from that. Yeah yeah yeah squid fans. Yeah,
it does go off. Yeah, people love.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
That song like this new record as well. You do
you write some of it in this room? We started
it in this room, okay, Yeah, we're in the water studio.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
You've done some here, but then you also played some
improvisational shows or you took those songs and played them
where else in Margate.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Yeah, and Falmouth, the Cornish Banking Falmouth. Yeah, and what
postal rating sessions. So what are those shows you had
like the raw idea of something. Did you have the
songs and you went and played them at shows in
front of people to see? Yeah, why were you writing
them during the show? No, because in Margate as the
(23:53):
the Pra studio. So we went there for five days
and wrote cheenes and and played them at the end
of the week. And then the Cornish Bank they've got
like a like a dingy dark vault because it used
to be a bank, so we hold ourselves up in
there for a week and then did the same with
(24:15):
the gig at the end. But it was, Yeah, it's great.
It's like I think you can I think one of
the shows is on YouTube. You can kind of like
hear the the embryonic, Yeah, embryonic and the sloppy nature
of these change.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
It reminds me Sammy Clark, who runs Well oh yeah.
He commented on a post that we made Crispy Skin
the track of the week on our newsletter. We've got
Friday the week that came out, that was the track
of the week on there, and there's a little comment
section he left a comment I'd like to run this
past year, He says. The new Squid single absolutely bangs.
(24:55):
I genuinely think they are the sonic equivalent of an
omnipresent Adam Curtis documentary unfolding in real time.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Who but this was a fantasy that's almost.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Miles away. How do you feel about that love?
Speaker 4 (25:17):
That love, love, Sammy love his opinions and music. Yeah,
I guess we're all living and Adam Curtis fantasy in
real time, aren't we.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yeah, it's quite it's quite a hard boundary between Adam
Curtis and and Starmer, isn't it impression of his voice?
And yeah, you picture him being like for what Sodam
Hussein did not realize because this was a fantasy.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
But then that's kind of it's kind of talking like this.
It's not a leap, is it.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
It's not between the two, which makes me think I'm
not seeing them in the same room before.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
And that's why I'm hoping for a new burial EPs.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Every single every single doc he's got, He's got that
in So.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
That quote is about Christmas skin as I say, that
song is about people eating them eating each other. Oh yeah,
definitely it reminded me of I read The Road last Christmas. Oh,
I still haven't read that. I've mate, You're going.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
To love that, even I've been kind of warned against
that book.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
About how dark it is. So my brother in law
he tends to buy me, buy me books that he
thinks are like and I've never really been a huge
reader of novels, but I've got I've become increasingly so
over the last few years. But he always buys me
these books, these modern classics, and they're always so bleak.
(26:48):
And I'm starting for Christmas, for Christmas, and I'm always
and I'm starting to think, what what does he think
I am? And The Road? He'd bought me The Road
and I read it last Christmas and it's so harrowing,
but it's phenomenal. Yeah, I won't ruin any of it here.
I thought you might have read this because it's it's
(27:10):
within that theme. What was the book that.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
It's called Tender is the Flesh?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And that's a book about Is that a post apocalyptic.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Yeah, it's like set in a in like a I
don't know that, an alternate present where this virus has
made like all animal meat. Well, no, you can't eat
animal meat. So like everyone's like, oh, okay, well let's
just farm humans and Slim.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Didn't think of going vegetarian. No, no, no, that's Jeremy
is the author of this book.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah it's it's a really dark book.
But I didn't think that the first time I read it,
and I think that's kind of what what Chrispy Skin's about.
I read it and I was like, all right, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Do you think you could eat someone?
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Well, this is the thing I don't like if if
I think I.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Could, now I'm got hungry. Yeah, after this, who would
be the first member of Squid to be eaten?
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Not Antony's too wiry, say for I Reckon Laurie would
be quite delicious.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, I Reckon Lurry. He's got a good kind of
balance to him.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Yeah yeah, Laurie Laurie is the first to go.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah. I think he's the tallest as well, so you
more bang for your buck, my legit. Another song on
the album that I really like is Showtime. It's like
(28:49):
your pop banger. Yes, there's the pop one of the end,
the pop the pop hit. That song's about warhole right, yeah,
so what's the what's the genesis of that Warhole fascinates me.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Yeah, he never I'd never really given him much thought
until until that. I think this was the This was
the point where like the inspiration was drying up for
me because I was like, all right, I've got like,
I've written five songs about evil people. I was like,
who the hell who else is evil? So literally went
(29:21):
on BBC I think BBC Sounds and typed in evil
and there was a really like academic, like laborious podcast
about kind of like medieval like evil people got rid
of that went for one about Warhole.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
With that come up in the evil Search Yeah, yeah,
because it was I think it's a podcast about.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
About kind of evil people throughout history that you wouldn't
necessarily think maybe evil.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, so what is it about? What's what's the deal
with war It's just.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Like I think he's quite like what's the word exploitative
of some people. He's a very spooky guy, Yeah, very
very bizarre, And I think, yeah, I think I don't
know how much truth there is in this. I'm trying
(30:15):
not spread slander on the Warhole estate. But there was
like a story that YE had this woman jumped out
of a building and like she was one of his superstars,
that's what they call them. Yeah, Warhole superstars. She had
like like really bad mental health issues and addiction. And
(30:39):
then apparently he just started like taking pictures of like
the like body on the floor and stuff like that.
He's kind of like quite.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
He's a bit of a sick puppy.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he had that weird you know he's
wig thing. Is that not his hair? No? And and
I thought it was his hair for a long time,
but his wigs went on display at it might have
been the V and A. Yeah that sounds it sounds like,
isn't it fairly reason he went they went on show
somewhere here in London till much twenty five. But apparently
(31:13):
he would wear the wig like the wigs got so
because it was clear it was a wig, right, Yeah,
he started owning it was a wig, so he would
start wearing the wig purposefully above the hair. Yeah, so
you could see the hair underneath and have then underneath.
I think he had like I think he had thin
hair from a very young age. Yeah, because Warhole made
(31:38):
like a fortune through advertising before he became yeah, yeah,
you know the guy. But yeah, those wigs and you know,
once you realize it's a wig, like, of course, of
course it's of course it's a wig. Look at the guy.
It's insane. But Michael Jackson had war a wig as well.
That shocked me when you know when Jackson died, yeah,
(31:58):
oh yeah, and then you when he died. I remember
where were you when he died?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Just on my bed, I was when did he die?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Two thousand and nine. I think I think it is.
I think you're right. Yeah, so when that when he died,
I think that, like the I remember in the news
and reporting you know that he wore a wig. Yeah,
he was found without you, he wasn't didn't have.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
His week well, he had nothing on underneath, nothing hair
wise on underneath. I don't know, because love hair. When
he died.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah, but but now it's makes so much sense when
you see an old when you see a picture of him,
like turning up to announce that residency that never happened
at the O two because he was going to do
like whatever fifty nights at the O two called this
is it And you look at his hair then and
(32:53):
you're like, of course that's a wig. He looks like
Rachel from Friends, like it's a it's clearly a wig,
but I just had thought of it because you know,
you don't think of these people as yeah and John Yeah,
Donald Trump, is that a wig? I don't think that
is a wing.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
It's this sort of gray area between wig and comb
over and plugs.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
We played in Turkey recently and the flight was just
full of like men with like branded like headbands on
who had had like hair transplants, and.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
They've all got bobbly heads and they've all got the
same brand. It's all this one big company and they
have to fly back together and yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Yeah, there was like bus driving saying hi to each other.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
So what they had a headband on from the from
the clinic they've been to. Yeah, but then but it
was just a headband so you could see the top
of their head.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yeah, and then they had like all the kind of
dots on the dots on their head. Yeah, yeah, crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Could you ever do it a hair transplant? You guys
don't need it, But like I think to it, I
don't think so it's so normalized. Yeah, the fact that
you were on a plane, Yeah, we were painful of
people with these that alone would crush me, like I'm
too I'm too vain to do it. I'd rather go bald. Yeah,
(34:16):
people see that I did it.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's more the pain.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
I was watching goggle Box the other day and there
was like they were watching some new show of like
two two male middle aged comedians doing a road trip
or something like one of one of those shows, and
they yeah, yeah, and they like did a part in
that show where they went and got a hair transplant.
(34:44):
That was part of the show, and they showed the
process of it, and it looks so painful literally, just
like like you know, you kind of expect it to
be like, but it was like really like like digging
into their heads.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Like it's like looked so painful, and what are they
doing are they are they putting hair in?
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah, they sticking hair into a friend of mine's going
and they say they just get hair from where you
never go bold on the side, the back, and then
they put it all over. I think they just pluck
you and then they if they do, they like you
and put it on a thing and then they can
separate the hair something and then put it all over
(35:24):
the top.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Which, Yeah, so a friend of mine is going to
go turkey and get done, but like want of their companions.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
So said to his friend, Well, I'm not going to go, but.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Our friend I won't name names is going to go
and then but yeah, I mean, like is a woman
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Need a hair transplant?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Like surely there's something else like on the whole, like
turkey offering on the menu, And they're like, i'll do
my teeth so you can.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Get their teeth done. You get take Yeah, yeah I
think you can. Basically I won't get one half priced. Yeah, yeah,
it is wild? How like to me? It's wild? How
just comment it is? Now? I've got two more questions
for you. One is this is your third album in
under four years. If there was a band listening to
(36:11):
this who are just making their debut album at the moment,
what would be your advice to them? Don't do three albums?
Speaker 4 (36:20):
And I don't know, it still feels like we're kind
of making it up as we go along to be honest, Yeah,
I have to.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Say, isn't it like does it feel like? But I
mean you must be learning something from record to record
right that you take into the next one. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yeah, I think the main one is like, I don't
think you need to wait for one to come out
and people to listen to it and formulate opinions on
it before any other musical project that you start should
be informed by.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Because like, didn't didn't wasn't this already written by the
time I mon it. We've recorded it, most of it.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
We did all the live tracks the day that Yeah
a Monolith came out on the day we finished, So
there was a bit of that yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Because you're just thinking, well, we already know what we
want the next record to be. It doesn't really matter
if Yeah it had become like okay, computer, would you
have been, oh god, we're just going to do that
one now.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
It's like, I think it is really handy for us
to just have it recorded before Yeah, anyone had anything
to say about A Monolith.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
So I mean, I was like, I think I was
kind of.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Tearing myself apart, being like, oh my god, like what
if everyone hates Monolith and night.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
I think that's quite normal with the second album, But
to just be like, to be so confident with the
third record, even like before anyone's come up with anything
to say about the second one. You know that you've
got like you've got an Ace up your sleeve. I
guess that's me calling on new album.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, only his favorite album is the Ace one.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
But yeah, just more like a record that we're really
really proud of, and it would it would be really
interesting to hear what what this record would have sounded
like if we had waited until after the Monolith came out,
So it might that might have affected it in some
way that we don't even whatever.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, yeah, a few more solos, I reckon. Yeah, And
if you had to sum up twenty twenty four in
a sound, what would the sound be? Bomb bub bub boom?
Do you recognize that? What is that? Bomb bub bomb boom?
(38:53):
There's that cliffhanger? What is that sound? You can't leave
me not no institute? What is that sound? Louis did
did explain to me what that sound was. I didn't
recognize it when he did it.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
I sort of thought it was a pop song or something.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
It is not. So we're gonna we're going to play
a game over the next let's say week or so.
I'm not going to tell you now. I'm not going
to tell the listeners now what that sound is, but
I will here's that sound one more time bomb bub
boom boom. What is it I'm going to give I'm
going to give I'm going to give a clue. I'm
(39:29):
gonna give one clue. The clue is travel travel Okay, okay, okay.
We will disclose what this is on the Instagram in
the next few days. It's at midnight chats pod. Give
us a follow on there, check in there for now,
just to just see if you can, if you can
(39:50):
just work it out. I had absolutely no idea, and
I do think it is quite hard. Can I say
thanks to Squid for coming on the podcast. I enjoyed
this a lot, and there were some big revelations for me.
Stew okay, Michael Jackson's hair, that you had a wig.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
And Andy wore as well. These were this is new
information to me.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
It's shocking, isn't it When you first find it out?
It is take sure about it.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
I love there when they're talking about house plants and
comparing it and I think you said, this is your creepy.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Thank you too to the guys for being honest about that.
Feelings about everything in this podcast, but especially that because
you know you don't want to be the band that says, oh,
we don't want to play our old songs. But I
get it, like I said, like I said in the interview,
I understand it's a typerope, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
I might have to go to Turkey for my hair
transplant as well because they can.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
I think Turkey could employ you to donate hair Greg,
it has been said.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I feel like I could probably Yeah, exactly, I could
have gift other people.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Like if Greg conchrane goes bored, there has been there.
It's been a stress in his life that is unmanageable.
I think if you were to go, I think you're
more likely to die, to drop dead from stress then
to go bored. And I can't say anything nicer than that,
(41:20):
right is that it?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Okay, it's only take it's only taking its six years
of doing the podcast to get to that point. And
I think it's a credit to the band Squid that one.
They sound so collaborative when they write music, which you
kind of I just assume that in most band dynamics
it's like one person that dominates or two people that dominate,
(41:41):
and it felt it seems very like democratic. And also
they must just all really like each other. The fact
that they've gone for like a curry for that band,
Christmas du love that. That's just like they're going to
be friends way beyond Squid existing, aren't they.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah, they're definitely. They're definitely still very tight and they
have always worked in that way where they just work
on every element of it together, and I think that's
impressive when you it's so intense. Yeah, and it's so
intense being in a band, and they tour so much,
they're always playing, So that's that's normally where bands sort
of pull apart and end up hating each other, understandably,
(42:18):
but that's not the way for Squid. The new album
is called Cowards. It's coming out next year on Warp.
We will put a link to some of the tracks
on it that have already come out. Crispy Skin is
the one that we mainly spoke about, which was the
lead single about eating people and could you and you know,
could you do it? In if you needed to? Could it?
(42:39):
Could it happen? I think that's probably enough from this
week's podcast, as we say, We're going to be back
next week with a special end of year review looking
at reminding us of just how brilliant and horrific twenty
twenty four has been in music. There will be talk
of Morrissey. So that's just a little trigger war, trigger
warning pocket that for next week. Until then, have genuinely
(43:04):
have an incredible Christmas. Don't let it stress you out.
Happy Christmas to you, Greg. I hope it's not thankful.
I've just noticed my hairs falling out. Thanks G.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Happy list, Happy Christmas to everybody listening. See you on
Boxing day, Yes, good Night. Midnight Chats is a joint
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Speaker 1 (43:33):
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Speaker 2 (43:40):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
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Speaker 1 (00:33):
Hello, Greg, Hi, Stu. Hi. Everyone got one week till Christmas? Now? Yeah,
people listening mine not notice. But you have historically hated Christmas?
Which does I say a lot of things on this
podcast about you that are lies? But that's not is it.
How are you feeling We're like seven days out from
(00:54):
Christmas when this podcast comes out.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, I've taken this year. I've got a new approach. Yes,
that's good.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Ignore it. Oh okay, you're going to just ignore it.
I pretend it's not. I like the fact that you're
sticking strong this even with two young children.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, I'm going to ignore the pure expressions of delight
on their faces, and I'm going to say, no, you
can't have a special Christmas lunch. You're going to have
spaghetti hoops for the tenth time this week again. Yeah. No,
I'm feeling all right. I'm actually yeah, Christmas hathn't been
terrible so far. I'm just waiting for it to collapse
(01:36):
because it always does.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
That's the spirit, mate, I think this is what people want,
spreading joy, spreading enjoy. With the podcast, we have a
guest on this week's podcast, final podcast before Christmas. We
know Squid on the show, which we will introduce very shortly.
But first of all, thanks to everyone that listened to
our Albums of the Year special last week. It was
(01:59):
really fun to to record and it went down really well.
People really enjoyed it. We've got lots of nice comments
and we've got a question Greg that has been sent
to us from Jemma Harris. And Gemma has this question
to ask having listened to our Albums of the Year podcast. Okay, Hi,
Midnight Chat got a question for the pod. Why would
(02:23):
bands release albums towards the end of November.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
When all the end of year lists have already been done.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Why would bands release albums towards the end of November
when all of the end of year lists are done.
Jemma did send a follow up to that, saying she's
particularly thinking about the Father John Misty records that's come
out very late this year. I think I've got a
few answers to this question, actually.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I mean I've got a few ideas. One, maybe they
think that it's kind of irrelevant and they don't care. Yeah, yeah, Two,
I think the schedules are busy, aren't they. If you're
trying to get stuff like vinyl made and all that
kind of thing, you just find a slot, and so
maybe maybe there's a sense of having to force to
(03:13):
be do that.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Maybe I'm just that's pure speculation. What are your theories
on this?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I think there's a few reasons. I think one is that, actually,
you know, most of these lists are put together by
journalists and publications that will have had those records early,
Like you know that Father John missed the album, for example,
would have they probably have had it for two months
because we get everything sent to us early so we
can review them and set up interviews and all that.
(03:39):
Sort of things. So and most of the time, if
that record is a real winner and it's come out,
even if it comes out the day there list comes out,
it will still be included in that list. We've done
that before in Loud and Quirt. I remember Richard Dawson
put out an album very late in the year, but
we'd had it and we knew it is going to
(04:00):
be on our list, so we put that on the list.
I think there's that. I think you're right. I think
some artists just do not care. I also think it's
like a bit of a flex for some artists to
drop things after them they come out. Scissor did this
a few years ago, drop an album that would have
probably been on everybody's list, but you drop in after
(04:22):
the lists to troll everybody. It makes a little bit
of like people talk about it, but like, oh and
you know, it becomes like a bit of an online
joke that m she's like she's destroyed disrupted all the lists.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, there's like three fallow weeks, isn't there between the
end of year lists. There's three fallow weeks in the
world of music. The end of year lists, tracks, albums
come out and then there's this like fortnight before Christmas,
and then there's like the weirds basically Christmas and New Year,
and then like when you get into the New Year,
it's like people, there's a lot of stuff released now
in January and Februy time, and so somebody might see
(04:57):
that as an opportunity, right, Like I remember Little Sims
dropping a mixed for it was under twenty third of December.
It's almost ten years ago now, and it was like, wow,
that is a move, like to drop it in that
space where almost you think is anybody watching, there's anybody
listening at that point, is everybody literally got their heads
stuck in a box of celebrations and they're not listening
(05:18):
to what's going on in the Internet.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I have always found it quite strange, like when we've
come back from Christmas before, I've looked at the stats
for our website before and looked at Christmas Day, thinking well, clearly,
no one that will be a zero on Christmas Day,
and been shocked to find that some people have looked
at our website on Christmas Day.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
It's the first thing that I do, to be honest, you,
I wake up and I think I'm just gonna check
Loud and Quiet dot com. Who's going on next? And
then I think has Santa been?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I think it is worth also noting on this question,
why does some artists release so late in the year.
It'll always be big artists. You won't find a new
young band doing that because the lists really do can
make a difference to them and does matter to them.
So Father and John Misty, for example, he can do it.
(06:10):
It can fit into his brand of being a misanthrope. Anyway,
his fans are going to find that record, whether it's
on a list or not. The lists are going to
be upset when they loved the album and they've not
put it on there, and it would have gone to
those artists before. So like he's he's just got it
sewn up someone like him. Yeah, thank you for your question, Jamma.
(06:31):
Any questions that anyone else has, please do send them
our way. You can easily get in touch with us
mostly on Instagram at Midnight Chats Pod.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Like you said those youew. Tonight is our last episode
of Midnight Chats before Christmas, but we're going to give
you all a special Christmas present and bring you another
episode of the podcast over the holidays and it's basically
our we're going to take a look, take a look
back on music in twenty twenty four, and we've kind
of taken a magnifying glass to it and we've also
(07:01):
taken a sledgehammer to it.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I feel yes, the Year in Review, for disclosure has
been pre recorded. This is going to come out on
Christmas Day night at midnight, so it'll be with you
first thing Boxing Day, by which time you'll be absolutely
sick of Christmas and you'll be thinking, oh God, I
miss I missed the voice of Stuart Stubbs and Greg Cochran.
That's all I really wanted for Christmas, and it will
(07:25):
be there. But we didn't want to record it on
Christmas Day. Greg Greg probably did I did. Actually that
would have been stup down for it.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
No, no, can I can I take this opportunity to
say though, this year has been really fun making the
podcast every week. I know we're gain to Christmas, but like,
thanks to everybody that's been listening. More people are listening
to midnight Chats than ever before. Thanks for tuning in,
like we do. Hope you have like a really nice holidays.
Putting my cynicism aside. Yeah, thanks for listening, and yeah,
(07:57):
by all means, feel free to tell all of you
annoying friends and family around the kitchen table about midnight
chats if you'd like to give us a gift.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
It's Christmas. What I will say about next week's episode,
I feel this probably needs to be said. It's loose,
It's very very loose. It's very rambling, but it is us. Yeah,
looking back at the year, one last look at twenty
twenty four. How will that year be remembered? That's what
we will be discussing on next week's podcast. This week's podcast,
(08:27):
So we do have two guests, two members of Squid,
the band from well, it depends, it depends what era
you're talking about. That from Brighton, that from Bristol, that
from London. They now live, different members live in all
of those different cities where they've operated in the past.
But I met up with Olie and Louis from the band,
(08:49):
and the reason we spoke about a week and a
half ago now was because they've got a new album
coming out and it's called Cowards, which is going to
be the best album title of any album really next year,
that's true. And it's an album about evil people. So
Happy Christmas everybody.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
And can I just say, do you intentionally leave this
interview on a cliffhanger?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Stewart, there is a cliffhanger. Let's not ruin that now
because we're going to come back after this interview. There
is a cliffhanger at the end.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
It's like east Enders Christmas Day Special.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Right, it really is. We will come back until then,
please enjoy this conversation between myself, Ollie and Louis from
The Bad Squid.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
We had a Squid Christmas curry the other night and
we were going to have our managers come, but both
of them were busy, so we got our mate Jake
to come instead.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
But it was such a success. Did Jake have to
come because you always need a manager with you? He's
quite a managerial type friend. What made me think we
need an ext We do need something. We still need someone,
but yeah, we need someone.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I think we were kind of like, because what we're
going to do is we've got our We've got our
Wise business card that we use when we're on tour,
and we're like, we're going to get curry on the
Wise business card. Anton made a poster esteemed guests like
Laurie and Shanaide and that the main thing is we'll
have curry and pints and we'll put on the wise card.
And then we were like, well, now that Tash and
Shade like coming, we we can't just be the five of.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Us, No, I think maybe, like we booked the table
for seven, so you know, to dropouts is that's pretty rude.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
But one dropout exactly fine.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
And you know our mate Jake got to pretend to
be our manager for the night.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Was there a speech?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I feel like Arthur would have done one, but I
don't think he went party hats Yeah, Christmas, Christmas Cracker.
This was still in November as well.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
It felt a bit perverse to have a Christmas party
and in kind of late November.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
But then you suggested let's do it on the eighteenth,
because again, yeah, another Christmas career and then maybe this
time the managers will be free.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
If not, it's fine, Jay can come again, just keep going.
Ja gets the goal. It's like you know what I'm going. Yeah,
I suppose it probably gets to a point where you
have to think about getting new managers. Right. There's a
certain number of times when the managers are refusing to
come to.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Your little black Market come on.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
But yeah, then it's then it's Christmas holidays.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Yeah, I think I'm seeing Beak maybe around that time,
which I'm looking forward.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
To one of the last Jeff Barrow shows.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Yeah, I think maybe the last UK Jeff Barrows show.
This is in Bristol, is it, Yes, Yeah, I'm looking
forward to that.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Well. Hey, the new album is called Cowards It indeed
it's about evil and evil people. Happy Christmas everyone, Christmas.
Let's just talk about how so how does that come back?
At what point did you decide this album is going
to be about that, about evil, and that it's going
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to have this theme like running through the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
I mean usually like when a kind of write a
song about something and then I think, oh, that's that's
quite cool, and then I write another song, another set
of lyrics, and it kind of has a thread running
through it. It kind of springboards into oh, maybe the
whole album will be about this. And I just so
(12:31):
it happened to be reading a bunch of books that
were kind of mainly about evil, horrible people, and I
thought it was quite fun.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, just so happens when you've kind of got like
a sort of a carb taste in novels.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, yeah, big time. And he's actualared by the whole band.
Do you all like creepy stuff? I think. I mean,
Laurie is quite squeamish.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I think, isn't He's quite screamish. I think Arthur's quite
speamish too. Yeah, but I think I think everyone likes reading,
but ultimately like got pretty different interests and obsessions. Like
people go down kind of little rabbit holes of one,
one or two things, and that's usually like the kind
of stuff that comes to the surface when we start
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working on the album.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
We will kind of be like, oh, have you heard
they talk about this on this podcast?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
With this book's kind of talking about this, and like
Anton started reading slaughter House five by Kavanaga, which I
hadn't read in years and years and years, and then.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Kind of inspired me to read that again.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Yeah, and yeah, I think I think a big thing
is that the previous records that we've made, a lot
of them felt pretty place place specific or kind of
inspired by imaginary places, and this felt a lot to
do with kind of both imaginary people and real people
as well.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yeah, I think it's like once you like, once you
kind of get one theme going you kind of just
run with it, because yeah, I found that really hard
with the last record. I was like, what the hell
does this all mean? Like trying to like tie all together.
It's very like fragmented. But this was just kind of
like laid out.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
As a band, Like you're such a collaborative. But I
suppose the fact that we were just talking about you going.
You know, you still hang out, you still go for meals,
even when it's not actually anywhere near Christmas, it turns out,
but you're obviously still like really close and tie it.
But I remember in the beginning you were always very
very collaborative on every single element of the band. Now
(14:35):
three albums in, have you still retained that ability to
just work on everything together all the time.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Yeah, I mean all the music's written still exactly the
same as how we probably wrote our first ever song together.
We all get together in a room and write together.
But I think kind of when it comes to yeah,
I guess the lyrics lyrics are still shared out. I
think and Anton wrote the last track on the new record,
(15:05):
you wrote chromegnum Man, So there's still like divvying out
of lyrics and singing. But I think we've kind of
we've realized our kind of strengths. Now we kind of
like go into when we're recording, like little corners, like
you guys all sort out the kind of scores and
stuff because I can't write or read music, and then
(15:28):
I'll go off and bang my head against the wall
and try and figure out what I'm going to say
on the track. Yeah, so we've all got like our
little kind of like roles when we're recording, which is
kind of still collaborative.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Same. Yeah, I think that's impressive. It's impressive that you
are all still so tight, you know, and that you've
that you're you're obviously quite Is it safe to say
you're good at not being control freaks? Is anyone a
control freak in the band? Not more than anyone else.
Maybe we're all control freaks, I think yeah. I think
that's why. Maybe that's the key. We all get kind
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of like.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
One of us will get really attached to a certain thing, like,
you know, a particular technique we want to try out
in the mix maybe, or something that we want to
do where.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
There's always me being like.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
We should have a bit where it's like call and response.
It never comes true and everyone's like, stop doing around.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
We should all introduce what each other's play.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, yeah, I mean please help me. But yeah, we
were all got to take it in terms for that
sort of stuff. But ultimately, I think we've got way
better at not getting too attached to things and ideas
or even like tracks as a whole, because there's always
going to be too much music for the record.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Do you have a rule? Is there a rule? You know?
The Beatles famously had a rule that if anyone member
didn't like something, they didn't do it, Like one person
could be crush a whole. That kind of does happen
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
It does happen. Yeah, it depends how because how strong
your opinion is on it.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I guess yeah, because it's like sometimes we're like almost
then the ends in sight and you can see like.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Oh yeah, and this is sounded really really good, and
then someone will be like.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I actually hate it, and everyone will go oh, like
we were so close to like this could have been
so easy, and then someone's little But in that.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Instance, people, is it like okay, it's done then or it.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Is genuinely crushing. Sometimes I absolutely loved this and thought
it was going to be amazing. But then when you
think about that on reflection, it's like, you know, it's
like imagine going on tour and you've made this song happen,
and then you've got to play this song hundreds of
(17:52):
times and that.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
One person who doesn't like it.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's the that's the big one.
I think like, as we've got more tracks now, like
three albums worth, and then some older stuff, it's like
that balance of some old stuff feeling really like we've
done it to death, and then some old stuff that
we want to bring back, but like a few people
are like, I've never really clicked with playing this one.
(18:18):
It's like that balance that's kind of always something to
think about, and I sup in a way it's probably
pretty good because it like it keeps you at least
being willing to try out, you know, doing weird stuff
in the set and bringing back.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Songs that people.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
We did that with Broadcaster a Bit, which was the
first EP we did on Warp. We didn't play that
for like two years, and then we were like we
could turn that into one of the bits where we
it's not really a song, but it's more a jam
that's been built out of all the electronics on stage,
so we brought brought broadcaster back into that and it's.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Like, yeah, I hated that song, but I really really
disliked it, and we were recording it and I was
just like, really.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
But you just keep it to yourself.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I saw, like that's another thing that if you see
everyone around you, like getting so excited about something and
you're the only one that has a problem with it, Yeah,
do you kind of on the flip side.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Think like maybe maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I always think I think I've chatted to Anton about
this before, but like I always think like we do
bin ideas like quite ruthlessly and regularly. And I always
think about no surprises by Radiohead. If one of us
came to a rehearsal or a writing session with that riff,
(19:34):
oh yeah, yeah, we'd instantly been it. I think like,
just imagine just that one riff and like someone plays
it and they're like, what do you think of this?
Speaker 5 (19:42):
And it's like, you know, someone would be like don't
you think it's a bit sweet?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah? Yeah, I would be.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Like don't you think it's a bit like yeah, but
it's an amazing song. And I kind of think, like,
how many. How many amazing songs have we have we
been been no surprises? How many once?
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Being too too good about our song writing?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Is there a track that like fans call out for
every time? How do you feel about it?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
We didn't do ourselves any favors by playing it at
Glastonbury for the first time elate two years, because now
everyone's like, well, maybe they will play house Plants, house
Plants and.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
His house Plants, your creep. Yeah, I mean for me
reluctantly plan, but you know people want it. Yeah, yeah,
So do you play it? Is it in the set
or is it like in the set sometimes a bit
like Creep.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
We didn't play it for like two years, and then
we kind of brought it back under the kind of
oh but well, we'll make it a bit more electronic,
a bit more current, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I don't have a Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, and it did work. Actually, my dad texted me
after we played it and he said, oh, yeah, it
sounded like orbital.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Just keep doing it, like, yeah, there's newer stuff that
feels more relevant and like it's a bit more challenging
to do. And that's kind of not that, not that
we're always trying to challenge ourselves by saying, let's take
them the most difficult of our music to pull off live,
but the newest stuff involves to us, I think a
(21:18):
bit more of a kind of colorful range of different
sort of sounds and textures and different parts. Yea, yeah,
And that's always just I think in making yourself a
little bit challenged, you are just kind of keeping touring
and performing as a whole feeling like fresh and like
you're pushing yourself a bit.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah. I think there's also something when you've got a
song like that that your fans love and when it's
and it tends to always be a really early song,
it's like a double edged sword because in one sense,
you're like, we've got that, We've written this song that
people just love so much, and I want to hear it,
and that's obviously like a lovely thing to have done,
like you know, very very few people manage to do that.
(21:57):
But then obviously you've played it a million times, you
don't want to play it, and maybe it's nice to
keep it as you play it occasionally because then the
people that see it get to see it. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah,
it's a tricky line, isn't it, Because people expect it
(22:18):
every time they're not coming to all of your shows. Yeah, yeah,
I want to let the one I'm coming to. And
it's such a it's such a balance, so I can
I can completely see why it would drive you mad. Yeah,
like play the same song over and over again.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah, and it's like, yeah, it is nice that you know,
we've written a song that people love, but it's just
like it makes you want to play it less when
like you're in like a really quiet, like delicate moment
of the set and you just like hear someone from the.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
One we know I have. I have dj' house plants
on them. Of occasions I've played it out and I
can stop doing that because that's not helping, is it. No? No,
you no, you carry on, You carry on because they're
getting that field from that. Yeah yeah yeah squid fans. Yeah,
it does go off. Yeah, people love.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
That song like this new record as well. You do
you write some of it in this room? We started
it in this room, okay, Yeah, we're in the water studio.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
You've done some here, but then you also played some
improvisational shows or you took those songs and played them
where else in Margate.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Yeah, and Falmouth, the Cornish Banking Falmouth. Yeah, and what
postal rating sessions. So what are those shows you had
like the raw idea of something. Did you have the
songs and you went and played them at shows in
front of people to see? Yeah, why were you writing
them during the show? No, because in Margate as the
(23:53):
the Pra studio. So we went there for five days
and wrote cheenes and and played them at the end
of the week. And then the Cornish Bank they've got
like a like a dingy dark vault because it used
to be a bank, so we hold ourselves up in
there for a week and then did the same with
(24:15):
the gig at the end. But it was, Yeah, it's great.
It's like I think you can I think one of
the shows is on YouTube. You can kind of like
hear the the embryonic, Yeah, embryonic and the sloppy nature
of these change.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
It reminds me Sammy Clark, who runs Well oh yeah.
He commented on a post that we made Crispy Skin
the track of the week on our newsletter. We've got
Friday the week that came out, that was the track
of the week on there, and there's a little comment
section he left a comment I'd like to run this
past year, He says. The new Squid single absolutely bangs.
(24:55):
I genuinely think they are the sonic equivalent of an
omnipresent Adam Curtis documentary unfolding in real time.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Who but this was a fantasy that's almost.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Miles away. How do you feel about that love?
Speaker 4 (25:17):
That love, love, Sammy love his opinions and music. Yeah,
I guess we're all living and Adam Curtis fantasy in
real time, aren't we.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yeah, it's quite it's quite a hard boundary between Adam
Curtis and and Starmer, isn't it impression of his voice?
And yeah, you picture him being like for what Sodam
Hussein did not realize because this was a fantasy.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
But then that's kind of it's kind of talking like this.
It's not a leap, is it.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
It's not between the two, which makes me think I'm
not seeing them in the same room before.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
And that's why I'm hoping for a new burial EPs.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Every single every single doc he's got, He's got that
in So.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
That quote is about Christmas skin as I say, that
song is about people eating them eating each other. Oh yeah,
definitely it reminded me of I read The Road last Christmas. Oh,
I still haven't read that. I've mate, You're going.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
To love that, even I've been kind of warned against
that book.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
About how dark it is. So my brother in law
he tends to buy me, buy me books that he
thinks are like and I've never really been a huge
reader of novels, but I've got I've become increasingly so
over the last few years. But he always buys me
these books, these modern classics, and they're always so bleak.
(26:48):
And I'm starting for Christmas, for Christmas, and I'm always
and I'm starting to think, what what does he think
I am? And The Road? He'd bought me The Road
and I read it last Christmas and it's so harrowing,
but it's phenomenal. Yeah, I won't ruin any of it here.
I thought you might have read this because it's it's
(27:10):
within that theme. What was the book that.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
It's called Tender is the Flesh?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And that's a book about Is that a post apocalyptic.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Yeah, it's like set in a in like a I
don't know that, an alternate present where this virus has
made like all animal meat. Well, no, you can't eat
animal meat. So like everyone's like, oh, okay, well let's
just farm humans and Slim.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Didn't think of going vegetarian. No, no, no, that's Jeremy
is the author of this book.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah it's it's a really dark book.
But I didn't think that the first time I read it,
and I think that's kind of what what Chrispy Skin's about.
I read it and I was like, all right, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Do you think you could eat someone?
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Well, this is the thing I don't like if if
I think I.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Could, now I'm got hungry. Yeah, after this, who would
be the first member of Squid to be eaten?
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Not Antony's too wiry, say for I Reckon Laurie would
be quite delicious.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, I Reckon Lurry. He's got a good kind of
balance to him.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Yeah yeah, Laurie Laurie is the first to go.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah. I think he's the tallest as well, so you
more bang for your buck, my legit. Another song on
the album that I really like is Showtime. It's like
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your pop banger. Yes, there's the pop one of the end,
the pop the pop hit. That song's about warhole right, yeah,
so what's the what's the genesis of that Warhole fascinates me.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Yeah, he never I'd never really given him much thought
until until that. I think this was the This was
the point where like the inspiration was drying up for
me because I was like, all right, I've got like,
I've written five songs about evil people. I was like,
who the hell who else is evil? So literally went
(29:21):
on BBC I think BBC Sounds and typed in evil
and there was a really like academic, like laborious podcast
about kind of like medieval like evil people got rid
of that went for one about Warhole.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
With that come up in the evil Search Yeah, yeah,
because it was I think it's a podcast about.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
About kind of evil people throughout history that you wouldn't
necessarily think maybe evil.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, so what is it about? What's what's the deal
with war It's just.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Like I think he's quite like what's the word exploitative
of some people. He's a very spooky guy, Yeah, very
very bizarre, And I think, yeah, I think I don't
know how much truth there is in this. I'm trying
(30:15):
not spread slander on the Warhole estate. But there was
like a story that YE had this woman jumped out
of a building and like she was one of his superstars,
that's what they call them. Yeah, Warhole superstars. She had
like like really bad mental health issues and addiction. And
(30:39):
then apparently he just started like taking pictures of like
the like body on the floor and stuff like that.
He's kind of like quite.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
He's a bit of a sick puppy.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he had that weird you know he's
wig thing. Is that not his hair? No? And and
I thought it was his hair for a long time,
but his wigs went on display at it might have
been the V and A. Yeah that sounds it sounds like,
isn't it fairly reason he went they went on show
somewhere here in London till much twenty five. But apparently
(31:13):
he would wear the wig like the wigs got so
because it was clear it was a wig, right, Yeah,
he started owning it was a wig, so he would
start wearing the wig purposefully above the hair. Yeah, so
you could see the hair underneath and have then underneath.
I think he had like I think he had thin
hair from a very young age. Yeah, because Warhole made
(31:38):
like a fortune through advertising before he became yeah, yeah,
you know the guy. But yeah, those wigs and you know,
once you realize it's a wig, like, of course, of
course it's of course it's a wig. Look at the guy.
It's insane. But Michael Jackson had war a wig as well.
That shocked me when you know when Jackson died, yeah,
(31:58):
oh yeah, and then you when he died. I remember
where were you when he died?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Just on my bed, I was when did he die?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Two thousand and nine. I think I think it is.
I think you're right. Yeah, so when that when he died,
I think that, like the I remember in the news
and reporting you know that he wore a wig. Yeah,
he was found without you, he wasn't didn't have.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
His week well, he had nothing on underneath, nothing hair
wise on underneath. I don't know, because love hair. When
he died.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah, but but now it's makes so much sense when
you see an old when you see a picture of him,
like turning up to announce that residency that never happened
at the O two because he was going to do
like whatever fifty nights at the O two called this
is it And you look at his hair then and
(32:53):
you're like, of course that's a wig. He looks like
Rachel from Friends, like it's a it's clearly a wig,
but I just had thought of it because you know,
you don't think of these people as yeah and John Yeah,
Donald Trump, is that a wig? I don't think that
is a wing.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
It's this sort of gray area between wig and comb
over and plugs.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
We played in Turkey recently and the flight was just
full of like men with like branded like headbands on
who had had like hair transplants, and.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
They've all got bobbly heads and they've all got the
same brand. It's all this one big company and they
have to fly back together and yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Yeah, there was like bus driving saying hi to each other.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
So what they had a headband on from the from
the clinic they've been to. Yeah, but then but it
was just a headband so you could see the top
of their head.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yeah, and then they had like all the kind of
dots on the dots on their head. Yeah, yeah, crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Could you ever do it a hair transplant? You guys
don't need it, But like I think to it, I
don't think so it's so normalized. Yeah, the fact that
you were on a plane, Yeah, we were painful of
people with these that alone would crush me, like I'm
too I'm too vain to do it. I'd rather go bald. Yeah,
(34:16):
people see that I did it.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's more the pain.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
I was watching goggle Box the other day and there
was like they were watching some new show of like
two two male middle aged comedians doing a road trip
or something like one of one of those shows, and
they yeah, yeah, and they like did a part in
that show where they went and got a hair transplant.
(34:44):
That was part of the show, and they showed the
process of it, and it looks so painful literally, just
like like you know, you kind of expect it to
be like, but it was like really like like digging
into their heads.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Like it's like looked so painful, and what are they
doing are they are they putting hair in?
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah, they sticking hair into a friend of mine's going
and they say they just get hair from where you
never go bold on the side, the back, and then
they put it all over. I think they just pluck
you and then they if they do, they like you
and put it on a thing and then they can
separate the hair something and then put it all over
(35:24):
the top.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Which, Yeah, so a friend of mine is going to
go turkey and get done, but like want of their companions.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
So said to his friend, Well, I'm not going to go, but.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Our friend I won't name names is going to go
and then but yeah, I mean, like is a woman
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Need a hair transplant?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Like surely there's something else like on the whole, like
turkey offering on the menu, And they're like, i'll do
my teeth so you can.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Get their teeth done. You get take Yeah, yeah I
think you can. Basically I won't get one half priced. Yeah, yeah,
it is wild? How like to me? It's wild? How
just comment it is? Now? I've got two more questions
for you. One is this is your third album in
under four years. If there was a band listening to
(36:11):
this who are just making their debut album at the moment,
what would be your advice to them? Don't do three albums?
Speaker 4 (36:20):
And I don't know, it still feels like we're kind
of making it up as we go along to be honest, Yeah,
I have to.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Say, isn't it like does it feel like? But I
mean you must be learning something from record to record
right that you take into the next one. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yeah, I think the main one is like, I don't
think you need to wait for one to come out
and people to listen to it and formulate opinions on
it before any other musical project that you start should
be informed by.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Because like, didn't didn't wasn't this already written by the
time I mon it. We've recorded it, most of it.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
We did all the live tracks the day that Yeah
a Monolith came out on the day we finished, So
there was a bit of that yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Because you're just thinking, well, we already know what we
want the next record to be. It doesn't really matter
if Yeah it had become like okay, computer, would you
have been, oh god, we're just going to do that
one now.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
It's like, I think it is really handy for us
to just have it recorded before Yeah, anyone had anything
to say about A Monolith.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
So I mean, I was like, I think I was
kind of.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Tearing myself apart, being like, oh my god, like what
if everyone hates Monolith and night.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
I think that's quite normal with the second album, But
to just be like, to be so confident with the
third record, even like before anyone's come up with anything
to say about the second one. You know that you've
got like you've got an Ace up your sleeve. I
guess that's me calling on new album.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, only his favorite album is the Ace one.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
But yeah, just more like a record that we're really
really proud of, and it would it would be really
interesting to hear what what this record would have sounded
like if we had waited until after the Monolith came out,
So it might that might have affected it in some
way that we don't even whatever.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, yeah, a few more solos, I reckon. Yeah, And
if you had to sum up twenty twenty four in
a sound, what would the sound be? Bomb bub bub boom?
Do you recognize that? What is that? Bomb bub bomb boom?
(38:53):
There's that cliffhanger? What is that sound? You can't leave
me not no institute? What is that sound? Louis did
did explain to me what that sound was. I didn't
recognize it when he did it.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
I sort of thought it was a pop song or something.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
It is not. So we're gonna we're going to play
a game over the next let's say week or so.
I'm not going to tell you now. I'm not going
to tell the listeners now what that sound is, but
I will here's that sound one more time bomb bub
boom boom. What is it I'm going to give I'm
going to give I'm going to give a clue. I'm
(39:29):
gonna give one clue. The clue is travel travel Okay, okay, okay.
We will disclose what this is on the Instagram in
the next few days. It's at midnight chats pod. Give
us a follow on there, check in there for now,
just to just see if you can, if you can
(39:50):
just work it out. I had absolutely no idea, and
I do think it is quite hard. Can I say
thanks to Squid for coming on the podcast. I enjoyed
this a lot, and there were some big revelations for me.
Stew okay, Michael Jackson's hair, that you had a wig.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
And Andy wore as well. These were this is new
information to me.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
It's shocking, isn't it When you first find it out?
It is take sure about it.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
I love there when they're talking about house plants and
comparing it and I think you said, this is your creepy.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Thank you too to the guys for being honest about that.
Feelings about everything in this podcast, but especially that because
you know you don't want to be the band that says, oh,
we don't want to play our old songs. But I
get it, like I said, like I said in the interview,
I understand it's a typerope, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
I might have to go to Turkey for my hair
transplant as well because they can.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
I think Turkey could employ you to donate hair Greg,
it has been said.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I feel like I could probably Yeah, exactly, I could
have gift other people.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Like if Greg conchrane goes bored, there has been there.
It's been a stress in his life that is unmanageable.
I think if you were to go, I think you're
more likely to die, to drop dead from stress then
to go bored. And I can't say anything nicer than that,
(41:20):
right is that it?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Okay, it's only take it's only taking its six years
of doing the podcast to get to that point. And
I think it's a credit to the band Squid that one.
They sound so collaborative when they write music, which you
kind of I just assume that in most band dynamics
it's like one person that dominates or two people that dominate,
(41:41):
and it felt it seems very like democratic. And also
they must just all really like each other. The fact
that they've gone for like a curry for that band,
Christmas du love that. That's just like they're going to
be friends way beyond Squid existing, aren't they.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah, they're definitely. They're definitely still very tight and they
have always worked in that way where they just work
on every element of it together, and I think that's
impressive when you it's so intense. Yeah, and it's so
intense being in a band, and they tour so much,
they're always playing, So that's that's normally where bands sort
of pull apart and end up hating each other, understandably,
(42:18):
but that's not the way for Squid. The new album
is called Cowards. It's coming out next year on Warp.
We will put a link to some of the tracks
on it that have already come out. Crispy Skin is
the one that we mainly spoke about, which was the
lead single about eating people and could you and you know,
could you do it? In if you needed to? Could it?
(42:39):
Could it happen? I think that's probably enough from this
week's podcast, as we say, We're going to be back
next week with a special end of year review looking
at reminding us of just how brilliant and horrific twenty
twenty four has been in music. There will be talk
of Morrissey. So that's just a little trigger war, trigger
warning pocket that for next week. Until then, have genuinely
(43:04):
have an incredible Christmas. Don't let it stress you out.
Happy Christmas to you, Greg. I hope it's not thankful.
I've just noticed my hairs falling out. Thanks G.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Happy list, Happy Christmas to everybody listening. See you on
Boxing day, Yes, good Night. Midnight Chats is a joint
production between Loud and Quiet and Atomized Studios for iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
It's hosted by Stuart Stubbs and Greg Cochrane, mixed and
mastered by flow Lines, and edited by Stuart Stubbs.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Find us on Instagram and TikTok to watch clips from
our recordings at much much more.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
We are Midnight Chats Pod. For more information, visit loudan
Quiet dot com.
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