January 7, 2025 • 52 mins
It feels a little strange that the start of a new year has coincided with end of this series of Midnight Chats. But then, we have been on a 45 week run.
Before we take a little time off to work out what's next for the show, Greg and Stu offer up a parting gift to get our listeners through the coming months, in the form a 2025 preview episode. Who will win big at the Grammy's and Brits? How did Lana Del Rey sell out two nights at Wembley? Will Neil Young make it to Glastonbury? And seriously, has anyone worked out why Robbie Williams is a played by an ape in his biopic?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good evening, I'm Greg Cochrane.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Good evening, I'm Stuart Stubbs. We are a couple of
journalists who've been working in independent music since the days
of my Space.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
One night a week, we become your guides through the
week in music, because, let's face it, the algorithms have
stop working for most of us.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So we're here to share the best new underground music
and the news that you might have missed, as well
as discussing the week's biggest headlines and bringing you interviews
with some of our favorite alternative artists.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
The show is called Midnight Chats.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Stu.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Before we start, I've had something on my mind that
I need to ask you about. I need to know
are you a faithful I have a faithful one percent.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I wouldn't tell you if I wasn't, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Because I the thing is at the moment, I don't
really have any of the theories about you. I think
you mustache move quite suspiciously last time out on the podcast,
and I also heard that Essex accents are amongst the
most untrustworthy of all the accents. Imagine, I just had
to be direct and ask you before we go into
the roundtable.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I'll tell you. What if I was on Traders, I
would be so bad at it. I think people would
think I was like shifty, even if I was one
hundred percent faithful.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
You are, you haven't actually got a shifty.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Vibe I have, Yeah, And I think they would just
think I'm I'm lying constantly.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
And I think if I was a traitor, I think
I would be. It would be really obvious. I'd be
like the Linda.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I'm imagining that you just go into the round table
and under the pressure, within the first five seconds, just go,
it's me. It's me, it's me. I gotta go go.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I put my own name now on the short but
I would spell it correctly.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I would spell it correctly. Yes, I was going to
say that you stole my joke. Now that now that
that's done. Yeah, you had to break over Christmas and
the New Year holidays. How was it for you?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Oh, it's fantastic, fantastic. You know. Mentally, I don't feel
we are into the new year yet. Something strange has
happened to me this year, and I feel I don't
actually feel ready for the new Year. I'm still on
Christmas time a little bit.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Are you okay? You've got. You've basically got Christmas jet lag.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I've got I have got Christmas jet lag. But I
need to just move onway in my life. It's over.
It needs to be put in the bin. Yesterday I
saw some how I drove past some houses with our
Christmas lights still up, and I think that's incredibly sad.
Do you know you have to just accept it's over,
don't you?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah? Exactly. It's a hard break up, isn't it. Yeah.
And I think I figured I think I figured out
why I like January so much, because you hate Finally,
after all these years, I think it's just a feeling
of pure relief. I think it's relief that it's all done.
I feel a lightness.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
You're such a happy person.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I know it's just my general smiley outlook on life. Listen,
we hope everybody listening had a really good time over
the holidays if you did have some time off. Thanks
to those that listen to our episodes with Squid Love
that interview stew Our reflections on the year. We did
a big old wrap up of everything that happened in
twenty twenty four, and also Richard Dawson what a guest
(03:10):
like if you're not a chance to listen to that
one yet that popped into your feeds, I think on
New Year's Day, go and have a listened back to it.
Very low key, hilarious man, amazing interview. Loved hearing Richard
Dawson tonight those stew on the podcast. It is the
start of the year, as we just said, and we're
going to do a little bit of future gazing, and
we're going to look ahead to the year in music,
and we're gonna do this in three ways. We're going
(03:32):
to look at the stuff that's happening in the near term,
that's like the imminent things, the things happening in the
next few weeks, in the next couple of months. Then
the fat term, we're going to look at stuff that's happening,
you know, a little bit more down the pipe, sort
of summertime, you know, few more months ahead, like middle
of the year. And then we're going to do some
good old fashioned speculation and guesswork and think about some
(03:53):
stuff that may happen what may not happen at all
in twenty twenty five. And obviously we'll have top three
and beat the algorithm. Recommendation coming your way to hopefully
give some new music to listen to in this January,
but also, Stu, you know, notice this is the season finale,
This is this is us for a little while now, right.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I think maybe that's why I feel like I've got
a Christmas jet lag, Maybe because we come back from
the Christmas break. We're doing a you know, a first
record of the year, but it's also our last record
for a certain amount of time. We're not exactly sure
how long we're going to go on break, but it's
been a mammoth run that we've been on. We've we've
put out forty five episodes over the last forty five weeks,
(04:33):
pretty much the whole of a year.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Really.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, I've seen more of you in the past year
than I've seen of my wife and.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Kids exactly, and I think it's probably time that you
face up your responsibilities, return to your family, stop recording
a podcast with me, just for a little while, and
hopefully we'll be back. Yeah. As I say, we're not
quite sure what we're when we'll be back. We're going
to take a bit of a break. We're going to
work out what's next for the show. We've been very
fortunate over the last forty five weeks. Because the show
(05:01):
has been funded. We've had a great partnership with iHeartRadio
Anatomized and thanks to both of the teams there for
allowing us to put together this really massive run of
this podcast. It's been fun doing it every week. Yeah,
but we do need a break. You as listeners probably
need a break, you know. Absence makes the heart grow fonder,
(05:21):
and I think if we go away for a bit,
you might you might enjoy it more. When we come back.
We will let you know when we know what's going on.
Let's see what happens. Well, listen first up, then, Stew.
The music world's already woken up, isn't it. There's already
stuff going on, Like we're what one week into January,
Like this past weekend was the Golden Globes. Like award
seasons kind of coming up. We've got the Grammys They're
(05:44):
happening on the second of February and then followed by
the Brits on the first of March. We are officially
into music awards season. Stew.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Let's just go, let's go big, Let's just go straight
into it. The Grammy is there only a few weeks away?
Now what your thoughts on that. Who's going to clean
up at this year's Grammys?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, second of fab isn't it the Grammys? You know,
the Grammys have got so many different categories. I think
it's ninety four categories something like that. It's ridiculous really,
So the one that really matters is the Album of
the Year, the big album of the year. It's across
all the genres. It's one of the one of the
categories that isn't then divided into genres. You know, it's
(06:24):
the one that's the catch all for everybody. The names
up for it Andre three thousand, Beyonce, Sabrina Carpenter, Charlie XCX,
Jacob Collier, Billie Eilish, Chapel Roone, and Taylor Swift. They're
the eight artist Colia for the wind. I actually think
it's gonna go to Beyonce. Now, well, what is the start?
(06:44):
How many times has Beyonce been nominated?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Not one?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah? This is her fifth time, right, okay for the
Album of the Year. She's one. You know, she is
the most nominated artist in Grammy history ever. She has
won obviously a bucket for but never won the Album
of the Year. People were particularly surprised when she didn't
win for Lemonade, but also for Renaissance. But I think
(07:10):
Cowboy Carter might be the one. Yeah, and you know
why it's not. It's not the best of the records
that she's had nominated by far. But I think every
time Beyonce doesn't win, it's become a story that the
Grammys are not doing this, and there is more and
more pressure on them to give her the record. Yeah,
(07:30):
she had a huge Christmas Day with she had presence,
she had like when you played Beyonce Bol, did you
watch Beyonce Bolt.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I didn't watch it on I didn't. I've seen it afterwards.
I didn't watch it on Christmas Day.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
She's sort of back in people's consciousness because I feel
like Cowboy Carter came out and then it just got
buried a little bit by other releases and other people
having huge years last year. But now Beyonce's back on
the agenda. I think also it's a country record. I mean,
the Grammys, the whitest award ceremony in the world, loves
nothing more than country music. Yeah, so I'm going to
(08:06):
stick my account and say it's going to be Beyonce.
But I've been wrong many times before, and there's a
lot on that list that could easily win it.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, it's totally good, and I think that, like you're right,
if Beyonce wins, the story goes away, and I think
that I think the Grandmas would quite like it if
the story went away. But I think Chapel Roone's gonna
win it. I really do, I do, I do.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
That's not the record, that's not the best record on that.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It doesn't when let's be honest. I mean also at
the ground, I mean later on obviously, the Grammys comes first.
That's that's the second of February. As you said, the
Album of the Year prize is like it's the biggest one.
I imagine Charlie XX is gonna have a big night.
She's gonna have a big night at the Brits as well, right,
because that's happening at the start of March. Yes, presumably
(08:56):
she's literally just going to clean up that night, right,
I think so, especially at the Brits. I think she
will win some Grammys as well.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
She's been nominated I think six times various things. She's
definitely gonna win some Grammys. I think Bratt has got
a chance at that big album of the year one.
But I think at the Brits, I think have they
announced who's going to play at the Britz?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Is it the Brats? Oh?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I mean that must have all been worked out, right, Yeah, surely,
surely that's.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
All in the works exactly. Somebody, some clever advertising person
will have made that advert to run in the commercial break.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Absolutely, But do I don't know if they've announced who's
playing at the Britz.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah, yeah, not yet. I mean Sam Fender probably and
probably Charlie right, probably Charlie. Surely she'll open the show, right.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I mean, I don't think there's going to be there's
there's very rarely surprises that any of those major major awards,
is there, really?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, exactly exactly. I mean, and you predicted this Kneecaps,
So this is this is like down the billings and
what right? But Kneecap They've got an Oscar nomination. They've
got two, have they? They've got two Oscar nominations. They've
got an Oscar nomination for the film knee Cap in
the Best International Film, which is amazing. By the way,
I watched it again over the Christmas holidays. See, I've
(10:16):
not seen it yet, but I've been meaning to see.
I know it's just got nothing but positive reviews. It
is on my list to see it's the best. It's
in the best International Film category, which I think used
to be called best Film in a language that's not English,
something like that about everywhere else.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, yeah, because I think they used to call it
in a foreign language and then they changed it again.
It's now international film. They are up against fourteen other
films as fifteen in that category. I've not seen anything
on that on that list in that category, I've not
seen any of those films, so I can't really make
a comment on it if I think it's got a
(10:58):
chance or not only one. I've actually heard of his Kneecap,
but that's because of the world that we're in, and yeah,
we're a music fans, so we know that there's that
incredible Kneecap film. But also a song from it was
this Oh It's sick in the head. Yes, yeah, from
the film is also nominated for Best Song. I would
love nothing more than that. That's a bit of an overstatement.
(11:20):
I would love it if Neecap won an Oscar. It
would be so so good And no doubt they are
making basically part two to that film right now, which
will surely feature them being out at the Oscars. There's
a couple of other like big music biopics like washing
Around during this awards series. During this award season, you've
(11:41):
got a complete unknown, which is the Bob Dylan film.
Obviously that doesn't come out in the UK into the
middle of January. And then the Robbie Williams chimp biopic which.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Came out on Christmas Day, has had very positive reviews.
To you, I haven't seen it yet, but yeah, there's
there's I think by the time things like the Bafters
and the Oscars roll around, there will be more talk
about those films.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Does anyone know why Robbie Williams is a chimpanzee in
the film?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I think that that was a heavy sigh.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I think basically the director pitched it to Robbie and said,
why don't we just did this curveball of an idea
and he just went, yeah, okay, then let's do that.
And by all accounts, it kind of does put and
it certainly puts an interesting take on the story, right.
I mean, it's it's it's no, no.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
It doesn't know. It's just it's just Robbie Williams being like,
if we'll just make him I see. I think it's
just him being like, we'll make it a chimp and
then people it won't be buried like people are. People
are be more interested. If if I'm a monkey, I
think I think it's as cynical as that.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Okay, excellent, I want you to go and see it
and report back.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I will one never watch that. There's nothing for me
in that film that I enjoy. I don't even like,
you know, the Planet.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Of the Apes monkeys. You don't like monkeys on screen.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I don't like CGI monkeys, and I really can't stand
Robbie Williams. So what am I getting from that? Nothing?
Absolutely nothing. I'd rather watch the Bob Dylan one, although
to be honest, it's also something I'm not that interested in.
Biopics just generally don't really do it for me, to
be totally honest, Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Fair enough, fair enough. Now away from all these awards
that are happening, like the beginning of the year, like
the new music starts flowing like it's January and February
and March, I feel like it's a good time of
year for like new music coming out. The Central Sea
album's coming out in the middle of this month, can't
rush greatness. That's because the album's taken like what eight
years from to make. I mean, by all accounts, like
(13:49):
he's doing really well in the States, isn't he? So
like that that has potentially got that could be quite
a big record this year. And then the FKA Twigs
album You Sexual. You've heard us talk about The Sexual,
the new scent from stuards Us that's coming out on
the twenty fourth of January. Well, I'm really looking forward
to that album in particular because I really like FKA Twigs.
(14:11):
Looking forward to hearing that. And there's a couple of
other things that are like more under the radar, but
you're quite looking forward to in the start of this year,
right Steep.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, I mean there's a couple from our most recent
guests here on the podcast, actually Squid. The album is
called Cowards, comes out the seventh of feb and is
Squid writing an album about evil people. You know, if
you know Squid, they started off very much as a
post punk talkie band and they've they've blossomed into something
a bit more than that now, and there's there's just
(14:40):
a lot more going on with the arrangements and things.
I think Cowards probably is their best record. That's out
on the seventh of feb. And Richard Dawson last week's
guest on the podcast. His new album is called End
of the Middle, and is that I mean, that's coming
out on the fourteenth of feb. And I think it's
a really good entry point for Richard Dawson if people
(15:00):
are listening, and they don't, because he's got a lot
of records now, and some of those records have songs
that last forty five minutes on them, so it can
be a lot, right, it can feel like a lot,
whereas his new record, End of the Middle is a
lot more stripped back and quite song based. It's very
(15:21):
I think it's his most accessible, accessible record yet. What
I love about an artist like Richard Dawson is he's
a real symbol of just leaning into your esoteric whatever
you're doing, just do your thing. And Dawson is now,
you know, he's made a career out of making quite
(15:42):
strange folk music, but he's got this very devoted fan
base and he probably always will now and he's never
had to bow curtail to like trends. He just does
his thing, yeah, and I think it's just brilliant. So
I think End of the Middle will be just another
great record that all of his fans will absolutely love. Maybe,
but maybe I'll pick up some new fans as well,
(16:03):
just because of the nature of the way this one sounds.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Stu in a moment, I want to talk about American football.
Oh yeah, and Kendrick Lamar. But let's get some adverts
and we'll come back after this. Welcome back to this
(16:26):
Evening's midnight Chats. We are looking at the year ahead
in music, and Stu, maybe more than anything we've spoken
about so far, I am super excited about the Super
Bowl this year, not because I know anything about egg ball,
but because Kendrick Lamar is the very very what the
esteemed is that what we call it prestigious at halftime
(16:50):
show this year, He's going to be playing out on
February the ninth. That's happening in New Orleans. Now, STU
regular listens to this podcast know that you do know
quite a bit about football and Super Well, you're an
avid watcher. You get up in the middle of the
night or you don't even go to bed in the
first place. You get your popcorn out and your and
your barbecue ribs and your and you sit on your
living room floor and you watch American football until five
(17:12):
am in the morning. How excited are you about the
idea of Kendrick Lamar playing the Super Bowl halftime show
and what are you going to expect.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I'm very I'm very excited about it. I think the
halftime show is always, even when you think it's going
to be knaf, it ends up being really good. Last
year's was Usher, which I just don't really have much
of a relationship with Usher and his music, but I thought,
obviously I'll watch it because I was watching the game anyway. Yeah,
(17:43):
and it was amazing. Like they always, you know, bring
the something extra. It's always so ridiculously bombastic. It embodies
really how ridiculous American sports can be. And that's what
I think.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Quite is it fifteen minutes? Is there like a time?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
It's half an halftime of the super Bowl is half
an hour. It's double the length of time I as
it normally would be. Because of the halftime show. I
think the halftime show itself probably lasts ten Okay, fifteen
maybe because they have to set it up and pack
(18:20):
it down, and they it's always a very big set,
you know. Sometimes the sets are huge, and it's incredible
they managed to like build the whole thing on the
football field and take it all down within a half
hour and get the show in the middle. So there
will be a certain time I guess they are given.
They will to be given a leeway of like it
(18:41):
needs to be between this time, can't be shorter than
this time, can't be longer than this time.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
And which kind of Kendrick's going to turn up in
that moment or all of the Kendrick's going to turn
up for that fifteen minute slot? Do you think will
it just be like a sort of greatest hits, like
forty seconds of this bang, next, next, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
That's it. It's all it's always is about sort of
mega mixes. Really, it's a superca it's a super cut exactly,
and it will typically they will be greatest hits and
the new thing that they're plugging will be chucked in there,
of which Kendrick's obviously got a whole new album that's
(19:20):
only a month old, so he will be playing some
new stuff. But that you know, it's about getting your
guests out who you're going to have on there. But
what I think is interesting about Kendrick doing it and
exciting about Kendrick doing it is I think all bets
are off a little bit because he's just the type
of artists who you could also imagine Will Will. He's
(19:41):
got such an ego that I think he would also
just be like, no guests, It's just going to be me,
and it could be very very stripped down or it
could be ridiculously over the top. I imagine he'll go
for the over the top version because it's the Super
Bowl and the amount of people that watch it is
just absolutely insane. I mean last year's Usher's performance was
(20:04):
was tuned in by one hundred and twenty three million people,
which is the second that's the second highest viewing figures
that the show's ever got. The highest was in nineteen
ninety three when Michael Jackson did it and got one
hundred and thirty three million people watching it. So with
that many people watching it, you really just want to
put on a show, right, Yeah, But what I think
(20:25):
everyone will be asking about.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
I'm not going to do a sleep in one city. Yeah,
it's not going to be just here and Alata mic stand.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah. But if there's one artist that you know would
maybe go more in the direction, it's probably Kendrick Lamar,
isn't it. I think the big question around it is
going to be does he or doesn't he play? Not
like us, I think he has to play. I think
he's backed himself into a corner that even if he
wants this beef with Drake to be over and he
wants to move on and it's a new year, he
(20:55):
can't not play at least a portion of that song.
But that's where the meg mix comes in handy, because
he could just drop in a bar of it or
even just a sample, yeah, and then he could just
move on to the next thing and he could just
breathe for it, or he could just go in on it,
couldn't he. That's gonna be the big question about it
(21:17):
is how does he? How does he present that? I
think from fans of him fans of Drake, that's what
people will be looking out for. But it's gonna be good.
It's always good. Katie Perry's won I know she had
a terrible year last year, as we mentioned, but the
year she did the super Bar. I think it was
twenty fifteen, one of the most watched Super Bowl halftime shows.
(21:37):
She had a shark, someone dressed as a shark, dancing
out of time, not on purpose, but it was Brilliantinette
loved it and was amazing.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, exactly brilliant. Yeah, we'll listen all eyes and ears
on Kendrick. Then February the ninth, that super Bowl show.
Looking a little bit further then into this year in music,
so the farm or what we're calling the far time,
so a few months ahead.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Particularly if indeed we're all still alive.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
If indeed we're all still in alive, who knows what's
going to happen. A few things bubbling around. Glastonbury has
got a confirmed headliner and already, which is unusual because
they usually unveil their lineup in one go, sort of
March time. And Neil Young is going to be playing
Glastonbury this year. He wasn't for a moment and now
(22:23):
he is. I'm sure lots of listeners read about this
over the Christmas holidays. Thoughts on that stupid.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I've got thoughts on this. Greg released the thoughts well,
the fact that you know the fact that you said.
You know, it's quite unusual that they've got a headliner
confirmed and out there that's not on their doing, is it.
That's Neil Young that has had a tantrum. For anyone
that doesn't know this story, and I'm sure everyone does,
but just to fill you in, Neil Young posted that
(22:52):
you wouldn't be playing Glastonbury, that he was meant to
be headlining Glastonbury and he's decided to pull out. And
he announced that before it had been announced that he
was playing Gastonbury, so nobody knew he was on the
bill until he was saying I'm I'm quitting Grastonbury. And
the reason for that that he that he said was
that he felt it was too corporate and he particularly
(23:12):
didn't like what was being asked of him by the BBC.
We're not exactly sure what was being asked of him
of the BBC at this point. It's all a bit
speculative at this point. But he comes out and basically
blows the lid on the fact that he was at
that point a headline of Grastonbury. It's since been sorted
out and he's had to put out a notice saying
(23:34):
I will now be playing I've it's been explained to
me that I don't have to deal with the things
I didn't want to do, so I'm going to play Glastonbury.
And the whole thing I think makes Neil Young look
very petty and foolish, and I just don't think he
need I just don't think he needed to announce it
(23:55):
to the world that he wasn't have a public tantrum
about it. That could have all been done behind closed
doors and he could have voiced his problems. I think
it's telling that he went public with it before it
was public it was, do you know what I mean? Like,
why didn't he just have this conversation. They could have
(24:17):
then announced their headliner or whenever they want, and if
he if he, they hadn't sorted it out. We didn't
need to know that Neil Young was going to play
Glastonbury and he's now not playing Glastonbury. Why was he
so keen to tell us that he wasn't going to
play it, Like, just don't play it if you don't
want to play it, and if you do, then do
but just sort that out yourself. I just thought it
was like childish for a man of seventy nine years old. Yeah,
(24:40):
my feelings on it aren't quite as strong as that.
Mine are a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I just don't. I don't. I'm just not excited by
the idea of Neil Young headlining Glastonbury in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Oh no, neither am I from. Maybe that's where my
anger come.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Maybe.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I saw his show there in two thousand and nine.
Then it was absolutely fine. I mean I listened there,
We listen to his podcasts that just are devout Neil
Young fans, and the idea probably does excite them a lot.
Doesn't for me. I've always thought that like Glastonbury should
just like you know, give you know, artists a chance
that maybe don't get a chance at other places. I
know that he has a long, long history with that festival,
(25:17):
which is probably why they've approached him. There is no
Glastonbury in twenty twenty six, and maybe that's their thinking
there as well. They want to they want to have
a bit of a call back to the original days
of Glastonbury. But right now the Glastonbury lineup is Neil Young,
rod Stewart and Niall Rodgers and Stu. That sounds right
up your street.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I'll take that. I would I'd take Nile, I'll take
and Chic. I've actually danced on stage with Nile Rogers
and Chic and in Croatia. That's a little story there
for you. That's a little anad. Don't shall we get
into that. It's probably not that, I mean, that is
the whole story. Oh okay, Can I just ask what
you were wearing?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Why?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I don't know. Probably would have been a hoodie that
was about maybe three times too small for me.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Did you stage invade or you were an invited member
of the deal?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I mean, I mean there was like at the end
of Chic shows, he tends to get a lot of
people up big old part. We had just done an
interview with Nile just before his set, so we were
like hanging around in the area and.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
He said, we come on down, an I mean, it
wasn't just me.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
There was like a lot of us. There was no
no and I was very much just like hiding at
the back, just taking it in. I mean, it was
it was. It was great. It was a great set.
So Nile Rogers playing Crastonbury. Yeah, fine, yeahs obviously I've
got I've got a lot of problems with Old Roger
(26:52):
that's not a podcast, don't put it that threat. Who
else do you think there will be the other headliners?
Have you got any thoughts, because I've got I think
one will be The Weekend.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Really, that would be pretty cool. I think I'd be
interested in that. I'm curious. I always think that's the
thing that I'm drawn to when it's clastomy, if it's
got something that I'm like interested in. I'm not even
a particularly big fan of the Weekend, but i'd be
I'd want to watch that, right, you know what?
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Funny enough, The Weekend Back back to the super Bowl,
he did the Super Bowl that's a halftime show, maybe
four years ago something like that, and similarly, I was like, okay,
I mean, you know, not really that bothered, but it was.
He turned up for it. It was incredible. So I
think he probably would do a good set at Glastonbury.
(27:39):
I'm just trying to come at this from the point
of view of they've got Neil Young, so they've got
the traditional older statesman of rock they're going to need.
Like The Weekend's got an album coming out later this month,
which is said to be the final Weekend album, so
he's obviously going to be gearing up for a big year.
(28:00):
Glasterbury is now in this cycle of putting on some
big pop stuff, which I think is great. And who
else are they going to get?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Like?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Who else? You know? I just think he's right before it.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Listen some other stuff that's happening in the in the
in the in the far term of twenty twenty five,
sticking on like live music stuffs too, obviously, you know.
The big story of twenty twenty four was Oasis coming
back together announcing their world tour. It's all happening this
year now, we're not that far away, six seven months away.
The tour is scheduled to begin in Cardiff in July,
(28:33):
at the beginning of July. But they'll play somewhere first,
right And if they do, where will it be? They'll
do some kind of warm up, right.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yes, I think you're right. Actually, I hadn't thought of that.
That probably played somewhere like I think i'd be in London, right,
because they don't. They're not really that connected to Manchester themselves,
now are they they? You know, they they've left that
they are like a London based band.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Really, I feel like that's a fairly controversial thing to
come out with you.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
No.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I mean, I think the city of Manchester love and
obviously will always be the home of Oasis. But Oasis
have never struggled. Then they don't rep Manchester, do they
Like They're not constantly going on about the Manchester scene.
They're not like Bernard Sumner or Johnny Marry. They've they've
(29:28):
they took themselves out of Manchester quite early on and
haven't really you know. I just I just consider them
like a London band. I think they'll probably do maybe
like the one hundred Club. Maybe it could be let's
say the one.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Hundred Club, Yeah, exactly, a couple of other things that
caught my eye I think could be really interesting this summer.
Lana del Ray playing these stadium gigs around the UK,
I think I just I'm interested to see how that
pans out. On what she's got planned for that Wembley Stadium.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
And blows my mind.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I know you've said this before him in you like
Lana Darrel playing stadiums.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I love Lana Delray, but when she put on that
first Wembley Stadium show, I was like, oh, okay, there's
going to be tickets left for that, and it sold
out instantly, and then she put on the second day
and I think that sold out as well, and that
just blows my mind, Like, I mean, I know she's
a big star, but I just didn't think it was
operating on Wembley Stadium level when you think what the
(30:28):
show is as well, which is very subtle and just
and one tone really at one pace. I mean to see.
I've seen Lana Delray in Britain Academy funny enough, and
it was incredible, but it was also it felt like
it needed to be in a room. Yeah, putting in
(30:50):
a football stadium, I don't know. I mean, I'd be
interested to go to it to see see how it goes.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Definitely, the two lineups that I think are really sing
the summer. We've talked about Premiero Sound in Barcelona happening
in the start of June, Chaperone Charlie XCX Sabrina Carpenter
headlining that festival Water lineup that's obviously already sold out,
and then Fonteine's DC are playing with Amal and the
Sniffers and Kneecap in London as well, which increasingly I
think all of those are I just having such a
(31:18):
strong time of it at the moment, that just looks
like a hell of a bill. But Stu, I also
want you to indulge in a little bit of good
old fashioned speculation on tonight's podcast, because I think what
we should do is just kind of chuck a few
things out into the universe, right because we've talked about
Tonight's some stuff that we know is definitely going to happen.
(31:39):
But I also just think let's just try and like
manifest some stuff and like wish some stuff into existence.
So should we get some adverts and then come back
and then basically put out some hopes and some downright lies. Yes, Okay, after.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
This, welcome back to episode one hundred and sixty five
of Midnight Chat's the final episode in this current series
of the podcast. So let's split this into two chunks.
(32:16):
Chunk one here was some rumors, some legitimate rumors, and
then chunk two, we could make up our own rumors
if for.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
The okay, cool and listeners feel free to just like
take those rumors and put them out there, because you know,
you never know what can happen. I started a rumor
that Metallica we're going to headline Glassonbury one day and
then I think twelve months later there they were four
people watch them, but it did happen.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Wasn't the biggest crowd that it really wasn't. Here's a
rumor that I think is just a straight truth. There
should be a new Pulp record. Pulp announced at the
end of last year that they'd signed a new record
deal with Rough Trade. Rough Trade have been managing Jarvis
Cock and the band Pulp for forever and they've signed
a new record deal with them. Obviously, Polp have been
(33:06):
playing lots of greatest hit shows and they reformed to
do all of that. But there's got to be a
new record coming because they've signed a new record deal.
Last record was in two thousand and one. I know.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
That's staggering, isn't it. And then they're in Japan at
the moment playing shows, so they're already back on the road.
So yeah, I feel like this year is going to
be a big year for POLP. They're just one of
those artists that you knew when they came back and
played shows that they were only going to do that
for so long, right, They weren't just going to keep
coming and sort of milking that situation. There was going
to have to be something more to it. So I'm
(33:40):
quite excited about the idea of new POLP music. No
idea what that's going to sound like. Like you say,
it's been almost twenty five years since they released an album.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
That feels like a September release October Q four. That
feels like Q four to me to put that in
your diary. Another one that is, I mean, Madonna has
announced this that she has been working with Stuart Price again.
Stuart Price is the producer behind Confessions on the Dance Floor,
which was twenty years ago, twenty years ago, two thousand
(34:10):
and five. Yeah, two thousand and five. And you know
that's one of those where I was thinking, could Madonna
be one of the headliners for Glastonbury?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Well, wasn't she one of the ones that pulled out?
That meant that like Scissor dropped in last year? Right, Okay,
Well that was again on the subject of rumors. That's
apparently that was a rumor.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Well, last year she was still touring her greatest hits
to celebration. Maybe that's why she pulled out of Glastonbury.
Maybe it opens up this year for her. But at
the same time, she posted a picture of her and
Stuart Price saying that they're working together on some new
music and that she's entering a new era of music.
(34:49):
So that suggests maybe not for the glaston By song,
right because she's she's working on a new record. I
presume not done or not going to be done in
time for Glastonbury. But otherwise I thought that would be
a good shout. But Confessions on the Dance Roll is
probably Madonna's last great record. I know it's twenty years ago,
(35:11):
but that is still heralded as one of her greats,
certainly one of her great later albums, if you can
call a record that's twenty years old that. So that's
quite an interesting rumor. Two people that i'd like to
see come back with albums, although I've got no evidence
of this at all, are Jockstrap, who released an incredible
(35:32):
debut last year before last, and you know, in the
cycle of new bands releasing albums every other year, ish,
i'd like to think that there's a new record on
the horizon there. And the other one is Anna Meredith,
who we've not heard from for a while. Her last
record is in twenty nineteen Fibbs, and I just love
(35:53):
her work. If people haven't checked out Anna's work. You
know what, I'm going to put a few of her
tracks on our play list, yes, which there'll be a
link in the show notes to this. I'll add some
Anameredith songs on there, because she's brilliant. I mean, Fibbs
was nominated for a Mercury in twenty twenty, so she's
out there and you know she's successful and lots of
(36:15):
people have probably heard her already. Bit if you haven't,
A great electronic composer does lots of other contemporary composition
in between, which is why albums don't come every other
year from Anna. But I think you know, six years
is a long enough wait for a new electronic pop
record from that. So that are two that I'd love
love to happen. And what about Chunk two? Then are
(36:36):
completely unfounded. Let's manifest this, put it out of there
in the universe. Desires for music in twenty twenty five,
any big ones? I mean, I'd love to hear a
new Frank Ocean record. Oh my god, wouldn't everybody except
for Frank Ocean. I think it would be It's gotta
(36:57):
come at some point. You'd like to think basically, this
time of the year. Whenever I think what would be
good this year, it's always Kate Bush doing something, which
you know, I don't know if her playing Glastonbury would
really work.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
To be honest, I'm going to say, never gonna happen, mate, Greg.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
This part is about.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Yeah, Okay, no, I know it's not going to happen,
but it would be.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I actually don't think Glastonry would be right for her,
but I'd love to see her do too. But I
think a record could be a red.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, I think a record, I think, yeah, absolutely, And
she's kind of hinted at that, right she has she has?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
How about you?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
First off, I'm hoping for a Radiohead album this year
and a Radiohead tour. You never know, It's been a while,
isn't it, Like I just feel like there maybe that's
kind of coming back into view, given that Tom York
did a bunch of solo shows towards the end of
last year. There was a Smile record. I don't know
there was two, wasn't there? Of course there was? And
so I just feel I don't know, I got nothing,
(37:59):
I've no basis for that whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
But could I be a Glastonbury headliner? I see. That
doesn't excite me.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Doesn't. Although I'd be excited about a new record, them
doing Glastony again doesn't particularly exciting. I know they're very
very tight with that festival other things that I would
like to see, but I have no basis for knowing
if it's going to happen or not. The Maccabees, which
I know a lot of people are excited about the
fact they're playing a show this coming summer. Maybe new
material from them. And likewise, LCD sound System have been
(38:29):
back doing their thing for a little while, haven't they.
Surely there's a new LCD sound System album in the
locker somewhere, because that's been twenty years since their their
self title debut album. So I feel like that particular
project that needs an injection of new music now, I
feel I would agree, And this year a couple of
other things that are celebrating big anniversaries this year stue,
(38:52):
So I'm just going to put these out there. It's
been twenty years since Daft Punk's Human after all, so
Daft Punk will be back on the scene into twenty five.
I'm absolutely sure of that.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
I think I think, I think I've got more chance
of Bush coming around.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
For dinner, getting behind me satan by The White Stripes
Coming is twenty years old this year. Do you reckon that?
Do you think the White Stripes is ever going to happen?
Or is Meg done done done?
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Do you know what?
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I think it isn't because I think it would have.
Do you know what I mean? I think I think
it's done. And I like that as well. Yeah, I
think that maybe maybe I think it feels right that
it's done. Yeah, you love the integrity of that stuff.
D I mean put it this way, like you know
that book Meet Me in the Bathroom. Yeah, that was
(39:42):
a huge hit, and everybody gave interviews for them, everybody
except for Meg. Meg was the only person you know
it was. It was a glaring omission that she wasn't
in it, and she obviously wasn't in it because she
didn't want to be in it, and she's just tapped out.
She's like, I'm not I'm not a musician anymore. Yeah,
and I respect that.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Let her be, Let her be and one that I
think that you could get excited about if it happened.
And I do actually think this has got a chance
of maybe happening. MIAs Aarguler is twenty years old this year.
This is the debut album from Mia. You're a huge
Mia fan. I could see him doing something to celebrate that,
can you. The thing is Mia is currently on a
(40:27):
tangent of selling tinfoil hats, isn't she is she?
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah? Yeah, she's She's got a new clothing line. Ah,
but it's pretty wacky.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Is that what you're wearing on your head tonight? Yes?
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Actually?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Is that's what you wrapped your turkey and from Christmas dinner.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
I don't want to speak off on this, but my
read on it, I think this is fair to say.
I don't think this is liableus. Yeah, she's got a
fashion line. It's all silver, and I think it's about stopping,
you know, microwaves getting into your head and then reading
(41:07):
your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Well, and if it's in a world Elon Musk, it
doesn't sound like a bad idea to me.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
No, No, fair enough. Maybe she's onto something, but because
she's doing that, I think music is just not not
in her mind at the moment.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Yeah, fair enough, Okay, Stu. I've I've I've thoroughly enjoyed
getting our missed it meg On and thinking about what's
going to happen in the year ahead in music? Before
we go, we should have a top three and beat
the algorithm. First, I've got a top three for you,
which I think you are going to enjoy. Are you
ready now? Over the Christmas holidays, I listened to a
(41:46):
little bit of Lily Allen's podcast called miss Me. I'm
sure people are aware of that. It's the one that
she recorded What I did, I did. I like Lily Allan.
I don't agree with everything she has to say, and
some she's just like, you know, she's Lily Allen, she's
kind of like some of she's sort of like a
She's a mar Mike character, isn't she. But I really
(42:07):
enjoyed listening.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
To that podcast.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
I do like how she's so open as well. But
it got me thinking, tote, I would like to know
the top three musicians that you wish had a podcast.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Oh that's good. Oh, I think I think Jarvis Cock
would make a great podcast.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
That would be so good.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Well, you know, he's he's so he's got the voice
for it, and he's so dry, and he's very funny.
He's very funny in a very dry way.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
I would call Anyonevis cocks Picnic brilliant. Javis Cock is
Sunday Picnic.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Anyone that's listened, if you had didn't listen to our
one hundred and fiftieth special episode of the podcast, go
back and listen to that. We play a clip of
Javis which is probably the most we've ever laughed on
this podcast. Yeah, So to have a whole podcast of that,
I would I would just love.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
So.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Jarvis would be number one. Number two would be Kate
Bush because I've got to get I've got to get
her doing something.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Yes, Okay, podcast from Kate Bush can.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Be about anything, Kate, anything you want, Yeah, Kate and
Kate Yeah, yeah, anything. And then my final one, how
about Patty Smith.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
And the reason I say Patty Smith is because I
heard her on a podcast once and it was the
first time she'd ever done a podcast. I think it
might be the only time she's ever done a podcast,
and she really didn't have a clue what was going on,
and I enjoying, though endearing, it had been set for
her and she's always got something something interesting today, isn't she.
(43:52):
I think we need more older people doing.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Podcasts, And yeah, I think so. And that's so twenty
twenty five. You've got a new podcast kind of from
Patti Smith.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, Kate Bush Yeah, and and Jarvis Cocker.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Good Top three there, stew Now, I feel like January
is a time of new music discovery because you can
literally you know any more, Mariah Kerry and we will
all just collapse. So let's let's leave listeners with a
recommendation of something to go out and check out. Stu,
what's your Beat the Algorithm? On tonight's episode of Midnight Chats,
(44:28):
Beat the Algorithm, Beat the Au.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Tonight, I am going for a record that is twenty
years old.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Welcome to King of New Music.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
I'm going for this because just before Christmas, I went
to see the Deers, the band from Montreal in Canada,
play that album No Cities Left, which was their second album,
and it was one of those records that was just
better than most things that came out. There was so
much landfill indye coming out in This was actually two
(45:06):
thousand and four. I hadn't listened to it for so long,
and then I saw that they were playing here in London.
They were doing an anniversary show of that record. They've
just re released it on vinyl, and I thought, I'm
going to go and see that and see if it's
as good as I remember. And my hopes were middling,
i'd say, because I thought it would just be the
band bashing through the record. Five piece band playing it.
(45:29):
It was incredible one because it was obviously very nonstaldic
to me, but they had a fifteen I think there
was fifteen people on stage in total that I'd counted,
ten of which were like an orchestra. They had horn section,
they had strings, they had extra percrushion, they made They
basically played the record so true to its intricacies. That
(45:51):
made me realize how good it was and how much
how layered it is and how many elements there are
within it. And to see them recreate the whole thing
in front of me was amazing. The track up Plane
now it was the lead single off it, which was
called Lost in the Plot and is the band in
for Smith's mode. If you're a fan of the Smiths,
(46:12):
but maybe you find it a bit difficult to listen
to Morrows's singing these days, as I tend to sometimes
the Deers could be a little replacement for you, especially
with this song.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Tell Me what.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
J coast. Call me to your dads the same shine,
(46:50):
I do what the rest of you were, and I
promise not.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yeah, so I've gone quite old there of an twenty
years old. Were at the start of.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
The year and year new music.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Stew, what are you going for something new?
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah? Yeah, I'm going something Okay, you were a bit
more low fires. Do you know the Do you know
the band get Down Services Bristol duo? Yeah, two lands
from Bristol. They're called get Down Services. They're Josh Law
and Ben Sadler and they do a kind of very
low fi guitarist singer, drum machine backing track type of thing.
(47:32):
They're a debut album called Crisps that came out in
twenty twenty three, and then they released a EP last
year twenty twenty four in June, and that was called Crumbs.
And this is the opening track off that EP. It's
called I Got.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
Views Away Mate, more warming and about of gold, about
nine of them this morning.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
I'm fucking crap, your fucking.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
Why no cramon, no worriess, worries or games twas shit
about when drivers cut you off? What are you four?
I was asked, I'm not asked now.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
I'm bothered.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Said nothing is free.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
It's very much my style, basically, stew. It's in the
vein of the lot of stuff that I like, clearly
informed by the likes of the full Sleaford Mods, etcetera, etcetera,
but really really funny and self depreciating kind of lyrics
and everything else. They've got a song called It's All
about Jamie Oliver that I think you would quite like.
That they tend to finish their sets with, which is
really really funny. And I just like any song any
(48:58):
EP that opens to the lyrics bollock away mate. I
just think that's almost like a classic line. So yeah,
they are Josh, they are Ben. They are two bare
chested gentlemen from Bristol with excellent mustaches. Go and see
them live loads and those are fun. They're playing loads
of gigs through February March this year, playing a lot
of festivals this summer as well. They get down services
and I'm really enjoying their stuff.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Nice. Well, Greg, we have reached the end of the
podcast once again, and the end of the series. I
don't even know what series of the podcast this year is.
We've sort of lost counter of that. Yeah, but it's
been an incredible series. We've had so many great guests
on the last forty five episodes. Thank you to all
of those artists and all of the teams behind those
(49:39):
artists that set up those interviews with us and got
us in the room. Thank you to Outamine Studios for
working with us on this series and getting the thing
done in the first place. And we will be back
perhaps in the future. If I could just quickly plug
a newsletter, it's a sub stack that we started last
year end of last year at loudon Quiet dot substack
(50:03):
dot com. I'll put a link in the show notes
for you as well. It's at the moment a newsletter
that goes out once a week on Friday mornings. It
features some of our writing, some reviews, some new music
news and bits and pieces, and some links to things,
and there's some other things within substack that we're going
(50:24):
to be doing more of this year, so please do
sign up. It's free to sign up. There's going to
be some other options within there to pay for extra contemp,
but for now everything on there is free, so yeah,
check it out. The link will be below this podcast
there and on our Instagram, which is at Midnight Chat's
pod is where we will probably be keeping you in
(50:46):
touch with what's going on with the show and when
you're likely to hear it again. In the meantime. There's
one hundred and sixty four episodes before this one. If
you've missed any of them, I'm sure you have. There's
a lot there for you to enjoy in this interim.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
But thanks Greg, thanks Stu, and good nights all the Werewolves.
And if I do find out that you're a traitor,
I will be absolutely livid.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
Can I just say what a journey this has been.
I wouldn't have wanted to go through this process with
anyone other than the people sat around this table. Now
I can confirm I am a faithful.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
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Speaker 3 (00:33):
Stu.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Before we start, I've had something on my mind that
I need to ask you about. I need to know
are you a faithful I have a faithful one percent.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I wouldn't tell you if I wasn't, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Because I the thing is at the moment, I don't
really have any of the theories about you. I think
you mustache move quite suspiciously last time out on the podcast,
and I also heard that Essex accents are amongst the
most untrustworthy of all the accents. Imagine, I just had
to be direct and ask you before we go into
the roundtable.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I'll tell you. What if I was on Traders, I
would be so bad at it. I think people would
think I was like shifty, even if I was one
hundred percent faithful.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
You are, you haven't actually got a shifty.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Vibe I have, Yeah, And I think they would just
think I'm I'm lying constantly.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
And I think if I was a traitor, I think
I would be. It would be really obvious. I'd be
like the Linda.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I'm imagining that you just go into the round table
and under the pressure, within the first five seconds, just go,
it's me. It's me, it's me. I gotta go go.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I put my own name now on the short but
I would spell it correctly.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I would spell it correctly. Yes, I was going to
say that you stole my joke. Now that now that
that's done. Yeah, you had to break over Christmas and
the New Year holidays. How was it for you?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Oh, it's fantastic, fantastic. You know. Mentally, I don't feel
we are into the new year yet. Something strange has
happened to me this year, and I feel I don't
actually feel ready for the new Year. I'm still on
Christmas time a little bit.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Are you okay? You've got. You've basically got Christmas jet lag.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I've got I have got Christmas jet lag. But I
need to just move onway in my life. It's over.
It needs to be put in the bin. Yesterday I
saw some how I drove past some houses with our
Christmas lights still up, and I think that's incredibly sad.
Do you know you have to just accept it's over,
don't you?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah? Exactly. It's a hard break up, isn't it. Yeah.
And I think I figured I think I figured out
why I like January so much, because you hate Finally,
after all these years, I think it's just a feeling
of pure relief. I think it's relief that it's all done.
I feel a lightness.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
You're such a happy person.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I know it's just my general smiley outlook on life. Listen,
we hope everybody listening had a really good time over
the holidays if you did have some time off. Thanks
to those that listen to our episodes with Squid Love
that interview stew Our reflections on the year. We did
a big old wrap up of everything that happened in
twenty twenty four, and also Richard Dawson what a guest
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like if you're not a chance to listen to that
one yet that popped into your feeds, I think on
New Year's Day, go and have a listened back to it.
Very low key, hilarious man, amazing interview. Loved hearing Richard
Dawson tonight those stew on the podcast. It is the
start of the year, as we just said, and we're
going to do a little bit of future gazing, and
we're going to look ahead to the year in music,
and we're gonna do this in three ways. We're going
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to look at the stuff that's happening in the near term,
that's like the imminent things, the things happening in the
next few weeks, in the next couple of months. Then
the fat term, we're going to look at stuff that's happening,
you know, a little bit more down the pipe, sort
of summertime, you know, few more months ahead, like middle
of the year. And then we're going to do some
good old fashioned speculation and guesswork and think about some
(03:53):
stuff that may happen what may not happen at all
in twenty twenty five. And obviously we'll have top three
and beat the algorithm. Recommendation coming your way to hopefully
give some new music to listen to in this January,
but also, Stu, you know, notice this is the season finale,
This is this is us for a little while now, right.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I think maybe that's why I feel like I've got
a Christmas jet lag, Maybe because we come back from
the Christmas break. We're doing a you know, a first
record of the year, but it's also our last record
for a certain amount of time. We're not exactly sure
how long we're going to go on break, but it's
been a mammoth run that we've been on. We've we've
put out forty five episodes over the last forty five weeks,
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pretty much the whole of a year.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Really.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, I've seen more of you in the past year
than I've seen of my wife and.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Kids exactly, and I think it's probably time that you
face up your responsibilities, return to your family, stop recording
a podcast with me, just for a little while, and
hopefully we'll be back. Yeah. As I say, we're not
quite sure what we're when we'll be back. We're going
to take a bit of a break. We're going to
work out what's next for the show. We've been very
fortunate over the last forty five weeks. Because the show
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has been funded. We've had a great partnership with iHeartRadio
Anatomized and thanks to both of the teams there for
allowing us to put together this really massive run of
this podcast. It's been fun doing it every week. Yeah,
but we do need a break. You as listeners probably
need a break, you know. Absence makes the heart grow fonder,
(05:21):
and I think if we go away for a bit,
you might you might enjoy it more. When we come back.
We will let you know when we know what's going on.
Let's see what happens. Well, listen first up, then, Stew.
The music world's already woken up, isn't it. There's already
stuff going on, Like we're what one week into January,
Like this past weekend was the Golden Globes. Like award
seasons kind of coming up. We've got the Grammys They're
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happening on the second of February and then followed by
the Brits on the first of March. We are officially
into music awards season. Stew.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Let's just go, let's go big, Let's just go straight
into it. The Grammy is there only a few weeks away?
Now what your thoughts on that. Who's going to clean
up at this year's Grammys?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, second of fab isn't it the Grammys? You know,
the Grammys have got so many different categories. I think
it's ninety four categories something like that. It's ridiculous really,
So the one that really matters is the Album of
the Year, the big album of the year. It's across
all the genres. It's one of the one of the
categories that isn't then divided into genres. You know, it's
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the one that's the catch all for everybody. The names
up for it Andre three thousand, Beyonce, Sabrina Carpenter, Charlie XCX,
Jacob Collier, Billie Eilish, Chapel Roone, and Taylor Swift. They're
the eight artist Colia for the wind. I actually think
it's gonna go to Beyonce. Now, well, what is the start?
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How many times has Beyonce been nominated?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Not one?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah? This is her fifth time, right, okay for the
Album of the Year. She's one. You know, she is
the most nominated artist in Grammy history ever. She has
won obviously a bucket for but never won the Album
of the Year. People were particularly surprised when she didn't
win for Lemonade, but also for Renaissance. But I think
(07:10):
Cowboy Carter might be the one. Yeah, and you know
why it's not. It's not the best of the records
that she's had nominated by far. But I think every
time Beyonce doesn't win, it's become a story that the
Grammys are not doing this, and there is more and
more pressure on them to give her the record. Yeah,
(07:30):
she had a huge Christmas Day with she had presence,
she had like when you played Beyonce Bol, did you
watch Beyonce Bolt.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I didn't watch it on I didn't. I've seen it afterwards.
I didn't watch it on Christmas Day.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
She's sort of back in people's consciousness because I feel
like Cowboy Carter came out and then it just got
buried a little bit by other releases and other people
having huge years last year. But now Beyonce's back on
the agenda. I think also it's a country record. I mean,
the Grammys, the whitest award ceremony in the world, loves
nothing more than country music. Yeah, so I'm going to
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stick my account and say it's going to be Beyonce.
But I've been wrong many times before, and there's a
lot on that list that could easily win it.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, it's totally good, and I think that, like you're right,
if Beyonce wins, the story goes away, and I think
that I think the Grandmas would quite like it if
the story went away. But I think Chapel Roone's gonna
win it. I really do, I do, I do.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
That's not the record, that's not the best record on that.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It doesn't when let's be honest. I mean also at
the ground, I mean later on obviously, the Grammys comes first.
That's that's the second of February. As you said, the
Album of the Year prize is like it's the biggest one.
I imagine Charlie XX is gonna have a big night.
She's gonna have a big night at the Brits as well, right,
because that's happening at the start of March. Yes, presumably
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she's literally just going to clean up that night, right,
I think so, especially at the Brits. I think she
will win some Grammys as well.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
She's been nominated I think six times various things. She's
definitely gonna win some Grammys. I think Bratt has got
a chance at that big album of the year one.
But I think at the Brits, I think have they
announced who's going to play at the Britz?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Is it the Brats? Oh?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I mean that must have all been worked out, right, Yeah, surely,
surely that's.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
All in the works exactly. Somebody, some clever advertising person
will have made that advert to run in the commercial break.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Absolutely, But do I don't know if they've announced who's
playing at the Britz.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah, yeah, not yet. I mean Sam Fender probably and
probably Charlie right, probably Charlie. Surely she'll open the show, right.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I mean, I don't think there's going to be there's
there's very rarely surprises that any of those major major awards,
is there, really?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, exactly exactly. I mean, and you predicted this Kneecaps,
So this is this is like down the billings and
what right? But Kneecap They've got an Oscar nomination. They've
got two, have they? They've got two Oscar nominations. They've
got an Oscar nomination for the film knee Cap in
the Best International Film, which is amazing. By the way,
I watched it again over the Christmas holidays. See, I've
(10:16):
not seen it yet, but I've been meaning to see.
I know it's just got nothing but positive reviews. It
is on my list to see it's the best. It's
in the best International Film category, which I think used
to be called best Film in a language that's not English,
something like that about everywhere else.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, yeah, because I think they used to call it
in a foreign language and then they changed it again.
It's now international film. They are up against fourteen other
films as fifteen in that category. I've not seen anything
on that on that list in that category, I've not
seen any of those films, so I can't really make
a comment on it if I think it's got a
(10:58):
chance or not only one. I've actually heard of his Kneecap,
but that's because of the world that we're in, and yeah,
we're a music fans, so we know that there's that
incredible Kneecap film. But also a song from it was
this Oh It's sick in the head. Yes, yeah, from
the film is also nominated for Best Song. I would
love nothing more than that. That's a bit of an overstatement.
(11:20):
I would love it if Neecap won an Oscar. It
would be so so good And no doubt they are
making basically part two to that film right now, which
will surely feature them being out at the Oscars. There's
a couple of other like big music biopics like washing
Around during this awards series. During this award season, you've
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got a complete unknown, which is the Bob Dylan film.
Obviously that doesn't come out in the UK into the
middle of January. And then the Robbie Williams chimp biopic which.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Came out on Christmas Day, has had very positive reviews.
To you, I haven't seen it yet, but yeah, there's
there's I think by the time things like the Bafters
and the Oscars roll around, there will be more talk
about those films.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Does anyone know why Robbie Williams is a chimpanzee in
the film?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I think that that was a heavy sigh.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I think basically the director pitched it to Robbie and said,
why don't we just did this curveball of an idea
and he just went, yeah, okay, then let's do that.
And by all accounts, it kind of does put and
it certainly puts an interesting take on the story, right.
I mean, it's it's it's no, no.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
It doesn't know. It's just it's just Robbie Williams being like,
if we'll just make him I see. I think it's
just him being like, we'll make it a chimp and
then people it won't be buried like people are. People
are be more interested. If if I'm a monkey, I
think I think it's as cynical as that.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Okay, excellent, I want you to go and see it
and report back.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I will one never watch that. There's nothing for me
in that film that I enjoy. I don't even like,
you know, the Planet.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Of the Apes monkeys. You don't like monkeys on screen.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I don't like CGI monkeys, and I really can't stand
Robbie Williams. So what am I getting from that? Nothing?
Absolutely nothing. I'd rather watch the Bob Dylan one, although
to be honest, it's also something I'm not that interested in.
Biopics just generally don't really do it for me, to
be totally honest, Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Fair enough, fair enough. Now away from all these awards
that are happening, like the beginning of the year, like
the new music starts flowing like it's January and February
and March, I feel like it's a good time of
year for like new music coming out. The Central Sea
album's coming out in the middle of this month, can't
rush greatness. That's because the album's taken like what eight
years from to make. I mean, by all accounts, like
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he's doing really well in the States, isn't he? So
like that that has potentially got that could be quite
a big record this year. And then the FKA Twigs
album You Sexual. You've heard us talk about The Sexual,
the new scent from stuards Us that's coming out on
the twenty fourth of January. Well, I'm really looking forward
to that album in particular because I really like FKA Twigs.
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Looking forward to hearing that. And there's a couple of
other things that are like more under the radar, but
you're quite looking forward to in the start of this year,
right Steep.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, I mean there's a couple from our most recent
guests here on the podcast, actually Squid. The album is
called Cowards, comes out the seventh of feb and is
Squid writing an album about evil people. You know, if
you know Squid, they started off very much as a
post punk talkie band and they've they've blossomed into something
a bit more than that now, and there's there's just
(14:40):
a lot more going on with the arrangements and things.
I think Cowards probably is their best record. That's out
on the seventh of feb. And Richard Dawson last week's
guest on the podcast. His new album is called End
of the Middle, and is that I mean, that's coming
out on the fourteenth of feb. And I think it's
a really good entry point for Richard Dawson if people
(15:00):
are listening, and they don't, because he's got a lot
of records now, and some of those records have songs
that last forty five minutes on them, so it can
be a lot, right, it can feel like a lot,
whereas his new record, End of the Middle is a
lot more stripped back and quite song based. It's very
(15:21):
I think it's his most accessible, accessible record yet. What
I love about an artist like Richard Dawson is he's
a real symbol of just leaning into your esoteric whatever
you're doing, just do your thing. And Dawson is now,
you know, he's made a career out of making quite
(15:42):
strange folk music, but he's got this very devoted fan
base and he probably always will now and he's never
had to bow curtail to like trends. He just does
his thing, yeah, and I think it's just brilliant. So
I think End of the Middle will be just another
great record that all of his fans will absolutely love. Maybe,
but maybe I'll pick up some new fans as well,
(16:03):
just because of the nature of the way this one sounds.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Stu in a moment, I want to talk about American football.
Oh yeah, and Kendrick Lamar. But let's get some adverts
and we'll come back after this. Welcome back to this
(16:26):
Evening's midnight Chats. We are looking at the year ahead
in music, and Stu, maybe more than anything we've spoken
about so far, I am super excited about the Super
Bowl this year, not because I know anything about egg ball,
but because Kendrick Lamar is the very very what the
esteemed is that what we call it prestigious at halftime
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show this year, He's going to be playing out on
February the ninth. That's happening in New Orleans. Now, STU
regular listens to this podcast know that you do know
quite a bit about football and Super Well, you're an
avid watcher. You get up in the middle of the
night or you don't even go to bed in the
first place. You get your popcorn out and your and
your barbecue ribs and your and you sit on your
living room floor and you watch American football until five
(17:12):
am in the morning. How excited are you about the
idea of Kendrick Lamar playing the Super Bowl halftime show
and what are you going to expect.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I'm very I'm very excited about it. I think the
halftime show is always, even when you think it's going
to be knaf, it ends up being really good. Last
year's was Usher, which I just don't really have much
of a relationship with Usher and his music, but I thought,
obviously I'll watch it because I was watching the game anyway. Yeah,
(17:43):
and it was amazing. Like they always, you know, bring
the something extra. It's always so ridiculously bombastic. It embodies
really how ridiculous American sports can be. And that's what
I think.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Quite is it fifteen minutes? Is there like a time?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
It's half an halftime of the super Bowl is half
an hour. It's double the length of time I as
it normally would be. Because of the halftime show. I
think the halftime show itself probably lasts ten Okay, fifteen
maybe because they have to set it up and pack
(18:20):
it down, and they it's always a very big set,
you know. Sometimes the sets are huge, and it's incredible
they managed to like build the whole thing on the
football field and take it all down within a half
hour and get the show in the middle. So there
will be a certain time I guess they are given.
They will to be given a leeway of like it
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needs to be between this time, can't be shorter than
this time, can't be longer than this time.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
And which kind of Kendrick's going to turn up in
that moment or all of the Kendrick's going to turn
up for that fifteen minute slot? Do you think will
it just be like a sort of greatest hits, like
forty seconds of this bang, next, next, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
That's it. It's all it's always is about sort of
mega mixes. Really, it's a superca it's a super cut exactly,
and it will typically they will be greatest hits and
the new thing that they're plugging will be chucked in there,
of which Kendrick's obviously got a whole new album that's
(19:20):
only a month old, so he will be playing some
new stuff. But that you know, it's about getting your
guests out who you're going to have on there. But
what I think is interesting about Kendrick doing it and
exciting about Kendrick doing it is I think all bets
are off a little bit because he's just the type
of artists who you could also imagine Will Will. He's
(19:41):
got such an ego that I think he would also
just be like, no guests, It's just going to be me,
and it could be very very stripped down or it
could be ridiculously over the top. I imagine he'll go
for the over the top version because it's the Super
Bowl and the amount of people that watch it is
just absolutely insane. I mean last year's Usher's performance was
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was tuned in by one hundred and twenty three million people,
which is the second that's the second highest viewing figures
that the show's ever got. The highest was in nineteen
ninety three when Michael Jackson did it and got one
hundred and thirty three million people watching it. So with
that many people watching it, you really just want to
put on a show, right, Yeah, But what I think
(20:25):
everyone will be asking about.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
I'm not going to do a sleep in one city. Yeah,
it's not going to be just here and Alata mic stand.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah. But if there's one artist that you know would
maybe go more in the direction, it's probably Kendrick Lamar,
isn't it. I think the big question around it is
going to be does he or doesn't he play? Not
like us, I think he has to play. I think
he's backed himself into a corner that even if he
wants this beef with Drake to be over and he
wants to move on and it's a new year, he
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can't not play at least a portion of that song.
But that's where the meg mix comes in handy, because
he could just drop in a bar of it or
even just a sample, yeah, and then he could just
move on to the next thing and he could just
breathe for it, or he could just go in on it,
couldn't he. That's gonna be the big question about it
(21:17):
is how does he? How does he present that? I
think from fans of him fans of Drake, that's what
people will be looking out for. But it's gonna be good.
It's always good. Katie Perry's won I know she had
a terrible year last year, as we mentioned, but the
year she did the super Bar. I think it was
twenty fifteen, one of the most watched Super Bowl halftime shows.
(21:37):
She had a shark, someone dressed as a shark, dancing
out of time, not on purpose, but it was Brilliantinette
loved it and was amazing.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, exactly brilliant. Yeah, we'll listen all eyes and ears
on Kendrick. Then February the ninth, that super Bowl show.
Looking a little bit further then into this year in music,
so the farm or what we're calling the far time,
so a few months ahead.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Particularly if indeed we're all still alive.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
If indeed we're all still in alive, who knows what's
going to happen. A few things bubbling around. Glastonbury has
got a confirmed headliner and already, which is unusual because
they usually unveil their lineup in one go, sort of
March time. And Neil Young is going to be playing
Glastonbury this year. He wasn't for a moment and now
(22:23):
he is. I'm sure lots of listeners read about this
over the Christmas holidays. Thoughts on that stupid.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I've got thoughts on this. Greg released the thoughts well,
the fact that you know the fact that you said.
You know, it's quite unusual that they've got a headliner
confirmed and out there that's not on their doing, is it.
That's Neil Young that has had a tantrum. For anyone
that doesn't know this story, and I'm sure everyone does,
but just to fill you in, Neil Young posted that
(22:52):
you wouldn't be playing Glastonbury, that he was meant to
be headlining Glastonbury and he's decided to pull out. And
he announced that before it had been announced that he
was playing Gastonbury, so nobody knew he was on the
bill until he was saying I'm I'm quitting Grastonbury. And
the reason for that that he that he said was
that he felt it was too corporate and he particularly
(23:12):
didn't like what was being asked of him by the BBC.
We're not exactly sure what was being asked of him
of the BBC at this point. It's all a bit
speculative at this point. But he comes out and basically
blows the lid on the fact that he was at
that point a headline of Grastonbury. It's since been sorted
out and he's had to put out a notice saying
(23:34):
I will now be playing I've it's been explained to
me that I don't have to deal with the things
I didn't want to do, so I'm going to play Glastonbury.
And the whole thing I think makes Neil Young look
very petty and foolish, and I just don't think he
need I just don't think he needed to announce it
(23:55):
to the world that he wasn't have a public tantrum
about it. That could have all been done behind closed
doors and he could have voiced his problems. I think
it's telling that he went public with it before it
was public it was, do you know what I mean? Like,
why didn't he just have this conversation. They could have
(24:17):
then announced their headliner or whenever they want, and if
he if he, they hadn't sorted it out. We didn't
need to know that Neil Young was going to play
Glastonbury and he's now not playing Glastonbury. Why was he
so keen to tell us that he wasn't going to
play it, Like, just don't play it if you don't
want to play it, and if you do, then do
but just sort that out yourself. I just thought it
was like childish for a man of seventy nine years old. Yeah,
(24:40):
my feelings on it aren't quite as strong as that.
Mine are a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I just don't. I don't. I'm just not excited by
the idea of Neil Young headlining Glastonbury in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Oh no, neither am I from. Maybe that's where my
anger come.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Maybe.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I saw his show there in two thousand and nine.
Then it was absolutely fine. I mean I listened there,
We listen to his podcasts that just are devout Neil
Young fans, and the idea probably does excite them a lot.
Doesn't for me. I've always thought that like Glastonbury should
just like you know, give you know, artists a chance
that maybe don't get a chance at other places. I
know that he has a long, long history with that festival,
(25:17):
which is probably why they've approached him. There is no
Glastonbury in twenty twenty six, and maybe that's their thinking
there as well. They want to they want to have
a bit of a call back to the original days
of Glastonbury. But right now the Glastonbury lineup is Neil Young,
rod Stewart and Niall Rodgers and Stu. That sounds right
up your street.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I'll take that. I would I'd take Nile, I'll take
and Chic. I've actually danced on stage with Nile Rogers
and Chic and in Croatia. That's a little story there
for you. That's a little anad. Don't shall we get
into that. It's probably not that, I mean, that is
the whole story. Oh okay, Can I just ask what
you were wearing?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Why?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I don't know. Probably would have been a hoodie that
was about maybe three times too small for me.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Did you stage invade or you were an invited member
of the deal?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I mean, I mean there was like at the end
of Chic shows, he tends to get a lot of
people up big old part. We had just done an
interview with Nile just before his set, so we were
like hanging around in the area and.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
He said, we come on down, an I mean, it
wasn't just me.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
There was like a lot of us. There was no
no and I was very much just like hiding at
the back, just taking it in. I mean, it was
it was. It was great. It was a great set.
So Nile Rogers playing Crastonbury. Yeah, fine, yeahs obviously I've
got I've got a lot of problems with Old Roger
(26:52):
that's not a podcast, don't put it that threat. Who
else do you think there will be the other headliners?
Have you got any thoughts, because I've got I think
one will be The Weekend.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Really, that would be pretty cool. I think I'd be
interested in that. I'm curious. I always think that's the
thing that I'm drawn to when it's clastomy, if it's
got something that I'm like interested in. I'm not even
a particularly big fan of the Weekend, but i'd be
I'd want to watch that, right, you know what?
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Funny enough, The Weekend Back back to the super Bowl,
he did the Super Bowl that's a halftime show, maybe
four years ago something like that, and similarly, I was like, okay,
I mean, you know, not really that bothered, but it was.
He turned up for it. It was incredible. So I
think he probably would do a good set at Glastonbury.
(27:39):
I'm just trying to come at this from the point
of view of they've got Neil Young, so they've got
the traditional older statesman of rock they're going to need.
Like The Weekend's got an album coming out later this month,
which is said to be the final Weekend album, so
he's obviously going to be gearing up for a big year.
(28:00):
Glasterbury is now in this cycle of putting on some
big pop stuff, which I think is great. And who
else are they going to get?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Like?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Who else? You know? I just think he's right before it.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Listen some other stuff that's happening in the in the
in the in the far term of twenty twenty five,
sticking on like live music stuffs too, obviously, you know.
The big story of twenty twenty four was Oasis coming
back together announcing their world tour. It's all happening this
year now, we're not that far away, six seven months away.
The tour is scheduled to begin in Cardiff in July,
(28:33):
at the beginning of July. But they'll play somewhere first,
right And if they do, where will it be? They'll
do some kind of warm up, right.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yes, I think you're right. Actually, I hadn't thought of that.
That probably played somewhere like I think i'd be in London, right,
because they don't. They're not really that connected to Manchester themselves,
now are they they? You know, they they've left that
they are like a London based band.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Really, I feel like that's a fairly controversial thing to
come out with you.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
No.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I mean, I think the city of Manchester love and
obviously will always be the home of Oasis. But Oasis
have never struggled. Then they don't rep Manchester, do they
Like They're not constantly going on about the Manchester scene.
They're not like Bernard Sumner or Johnny Marry. They've they've
(29:28):
they took themselves out of Manchester quite early on and
haven't really you know. I just I just consider them
like a London band. I think they'll probably do maybe
like the one hundred Club. Maybe it could be let's
say the one.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Hundred Club, Yeah, exactly, a couple of other things that
caught my eye I think could be really interesting this summer.
Lana del Ray playing these stadium gigs around the UK,
I think I just I'm interested to see how that
pans out. On what she's got planned for that Wembley Stadium.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
And blows my mind.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I know you've said this before him in you like
Lana Darrel playing stadiums.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I love Lana Delray, but when she put on that
first Wembley Stadium show, I was like, oh, okay, there's
going to be tickets left for that, and it sold
out instantly, and then she put on the second day
and I think that sold out as well, and that
just blows my mind, Like, I mean, I know she's
a big star, but I just didn't think it was
operating on Wembley Stadium level when you think what the
(30:28):
show is as well, which is very subtle and just
and one tone really at one pace. I mean to see.
I've seen Lana Delray in Britain Academy funny enough, and
it was incredible, but it was also it felt like
it needed to be in a room. Yeah, putting in
(30:50):
a football stadium, I don't know. I mean, I'd be
interested to go to it to see see how it goes.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Definitely, the two lineups that I think are really sing
the summer. We've talked about Premiero Sound in Barcelona happening
in the start of June, Chaperone Charlie XCX Sabrina Carpenter
headlining that festival Water lineup that's obviously already sold out,
and then Fonteine's DC are playing with Amal and the
Sniffers and Kneecap in London as well, which increasingly I
think all of those are I just having such a
(31:18):
strong time of it at the moment, that just looks
like a hell of a bill. But Stu, I also
want you to indulge in a little bit of good
old fashioned speculation on tonight's podcast, because I think what
we should do is just kind of chuck a few
things out into the universe, right because we've talked about
Tonight's some stuff that we know is definitely going to happen.
(31:39):
But I also just think let's just try and like
manifest some stuff and like wish some stuff into existence.
So should we get some adverts and then come back
and then basically put out some hopes and some downright lies. Yes, Okay, after.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
This, welcome back to episode one hundred and sixty five
of Midnight Chat's the final episode in this current series
of the podcast. So let's split this into two chunks.
(32:16):
Chunk one here was some rumors, some legitimate rumors, and
then chunk two, we could make up our own rumors
if for.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
The okay, cool and listeners feel free to just like
take those rumors and put them out there, because you know,
you never know what can happen. I started a rumor
that Metallica we're going to headline Glassonbury one day and
then I think twelve months later there they were four
people watch them, but it did happen.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Wasn't the biggest crowd that it really wasn't. Here's a
rumor that I think is just a straight truth. There
should be a new Pulp record. Pulp announced at the
end of last year that they'd signed a new record
deal with Rough Trade. Rough Trade have been managing Jarvis
Cock and the band Pulp for forever and they've signed
a new record deal with them. Obviously, Polp have been
(33:06):
playing lots of greatest hit shows and they reformed to
do all of that. But there's got to be a
new record coming because they've signed a new record deal.
Last record was in two thousand and one. I know.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
That's staggering, isn't it. And then they're in Japan at
the moment playing shows, so they're already back on the road.
So yeah, I feel like this year is going to
be a big year for POLP. They're just one of
those artists that you knew when they came back and
played shows that they were only going to do that
for so long, right, They weren't just going to keep
coming and sort of milking that situation. There was going
to have to be something more to it. So I'm
(33:40):
quite excited about the idea of new POLP music. No
idea what that's going to sound like. Like you say,
it's been almost twenty five years since they released an album.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
That feels like a September release October Q four. That
feels like Q four to me to put that in
your diary. Another one that is, I mean, Madonna has
announced this that she has been working with Stuart Price again.
Stuart Price is the producer behind Confessions on the Dance Floor,
which was twenty years ago, twenty years ago, two thousand
(34:10):
and five. Yeah, two thousand and five. And you know
that's one of those where I was thinking, could Madonna
be one of the headliners for Glastonbury?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Well, wasn't she one of the ones that pulled out?
That meant that like Scissor dropped in last year? Right, Okay,
Well that was again on the subject of rumors. That's
apparently that was a rumor.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Well, last year she was still touring her greatest hits
to celebration. Maybe that's why she pulled out of Glastonbury.
Maybe it opens up this year for her. But at
the same time, she posted a picture of her and
Stuart Price saying that they're working together on some new
music and that she's entering a new era of music.
(34:49):
So that suggests maybe not for the glaston By song,
right because she's she's working on a new record. I
presume not done or not going to be done in
time for Glastonbury. But otherwise I thought that would be
a good shout. But Confessions on the Dance Roll is
probably Madonna's last great record. I know it's twenty years ago,
(35:11):
but that is still heralded as one of her greats,
certainly one of her great later albums, if you can
call a record that's twenty years old that. So that's
quite an interesting rumor. Two people that i'd like to
see come back with albums, although I've got no evidence
of this at all, are Jockstrap, who released an incredible
(35:32):
debut last year before last, and you know, in the
cycle of new bands releasing albums every other year, ish,
i'd like to think that there's a new record on
the horizon there. And the other one is Anna Meredith,
who we've not heard from for a while. Her last
record is in twenty nineteen Fibbs, and I just love
(35:53):
her work. If people haven't checked out Anna's work. You
know what, I'm going to put a few of her
tracks on our play list, yes, which there'll be a
link in the show notes to this. I'll add some
Anameredith songs on there, because she's brilliant. I mean, Fibbs
was nominated for a Mercury in twenty twenty, so she's
out there and you know she's successful and lots of
(36:15):
people have probably heard her already. Bit if you haven't,
A great electronic composer does lots of other contemporary composition
in between, which is why albums don't come every other
year from Anna. But I think you know, six years
is a long enough wait for a new electronic pop
record from that. So that are two that I'd love
love to happen. And what about Chunk two? Then are
(36:36):
completely unfounded. Let's manifest this, put it out of there
in the universe. Desires for music in twenty twenty five,
any big ones? I mean, I'd love to hear a
new Frank Ocean record. Oh my god, wouldn't everybody except
for Frank Ocean. I think it would be It's gotta
(36:57):
come at some point. You'd like to think basically, this
time of the year. Whenever I think what would be
good this year, it's always Kate Bush doing something, which
you know, I don't know if her playing Glastonbury would
really work.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
To be honest, I'm going to say, never gonna happen, mate, Greg.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
This part is about.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Yeah, Okay, no, I know it's not going to happen,
but it would be.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I actually don't think Glastonry would be right for her,
but I'd love to see her do too. But I
think a record could be a red.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, I think a record, I think, yeah, absolutely, And
she's kind of hinted at that, right she has she has?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
How about you?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
First off, I'm hoping for a Radiohead album this year
and a Radiohead tour. You never know, It's been a while,
isn't it, Like I just feel like there maybe that's
kind of coming back into view, given that Tom York
did a bunch of solo shows towards the end of
last year. There was a Smile record. I don't know
there was two, wasn't there? Of course there was? And
so I just feel I don't know, I got nothing,
(37:59):
I've no basis for that whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
But could I be a Glastonbury headliner? I see. That
doesn't excite me.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Doesn't. Although I'd be excited about a new record, them
doing Glastony again doesn't particularly exciting. I know they're very
very tight with that festival other things that I would
like to see, but I have no basis for knowing
if it's going to happen or not. The Maccabees, which
I know a lot of people are excited about the
fact they're playing a show this coming summer. Maybe new
material from them. And likewise, LCD sound System have been
(38:29):
back doing their thing for a little while, haven't they.
Surely there's a new LCD sound System album in the
locker somewhere, because that's been twenty years since their their
self title debut album. So I feel like that particular
project that needs an injection of new music now, I
feel I would agree, And this year a couple of
other things that are celebrating big anniversaries this year stue,
(38:52):
So I'm just going to put these out there. It's
been twenty years since Daft Punk's Human after all, so
Daft Punk will be back on the scene into twenty five.
I'm absolutely sure of that.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
I think I think, I think I've got more chance
of Bush coming around.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
For dinner, getting behind me satan by The White Stripes
Coming is twenty years old this year. Do you reckon that?
Do you think the White Stripes is ever going to happen?
Or is Meg done done done?
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Do you know what?
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I think it isn't because I think it would have.
Do you know what I mean? I think I think
it's done. And I like that as well. Yeah, I
think that maybe maybe I think it feels right that
it's done. Yeah, you love the integrity of that stuff.
D I mean put it this way, like you know
that book Meet Me in the Bathroom. Yeah, that was
(39:42):
a huge hit, and everybody gave interviews for them, everybody
except for Meg. Meg was the only person you know
it was. It was a glaring omission that she wasn't
in it, and she obviously wasn't in it because she
didn't want to be in it, and she's just tapped out.
She's like, I'm not I'm not a musician anymore. Yeah,
and I respect that.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Let her be, Let her be and one that I
think that you could get excited about if it happened.
And I do actually think this has got a chance
of maybe happening. MIAs Aarguler is twenty years old this year.
This is the debut album from Mia. You're a huge
Mia fan. I could see him doing something to celebrate that,
can you. The thing is Mia is currently on a
(40:27):
tangent of selling tinfoil hats, isn't she is she?
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah? Yeah, she's She's got a new clothing line. Ah,
but it's pretty wacky.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Is that what you're wearing on your head tonight? Yes?
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Actually?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Is that's what you wrapped your turkey and from Christmas dinner.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
I don't want to speak off on this, but my
read on it, I think this is fair to say.
I don't think this is liableus. Yeah, she's got a
fashion line. It's all silver, and I think it's about stopping,
you know, microwaves getting into your head and then reading
(41:07):
your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Well, and if it's in a world Elon Musk, it
doesn't sound like a bad idea to me.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
No, No, fair enough. Maybe she's onto something, but because
she's doing that, I think music is just not not
in her mind at the moment.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Yeah, fair enough, Okay, Stu. I've I've I've thoroughly enjoyed
getting our missed it meg On and thinking about what's
going to happen in the year ahead in music? Before
we go, we should have a top three and beat
the algorithm. First, I've got a top three for you,
which I think you are going to enjoy. Are you
ready now? Over the Christmas holidays, I listened to a
(41:46):
little bit of Lily Allen's podcast called miss Me. I'm
sure people are aware of that. It's the one that
she recorded What I did, I did. I like Lily Allan.
I don't agree with everything she has to say, and
some she's just like, you know, she's Lily Allen, she's
kind of like some of she's sort of like a
She's a mar Mike character, isn't she. But I really
(42:07):
enjoyed listening.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
To that podcast.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
I do like how she's so open as well. But
it got me thinking, tote, I would like to know
the top three musicians that you wish had a podcast.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Oh that's good. Oh, I think I think Jarvis Cock
would make a great podcast.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
That would be so good.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Well, you know, he's he's so he's got the voice
for it, and he's so dry, and he's very funny.
He's very funny in a very dry way.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
I would call Anyonevis cocks Picnic brilliant. Javis Cock is
Sunday Picnic.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Anyone that's listened, if you had didn't listen to our
one hundred and fiftieth special episode of the podcast, go
back and listen to that. We play a clip of
Javis which is probably the most we've ever laughed on
this podcast. Yeah, So to have a whole podcast of that,
I would I would just love.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
So.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Jarvis would be number one. Number two would be Kate
Bush because I've got to get I've got to get
her doing something.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Yes, Okay, podcast from Kate Bush can.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Be about anything, Kate, anything you want, Yeah, Kate and
Kate Yeah, yeah, anything. And then my final one, how
about Patty Smith.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
And the reason I say Patty Smith is because I
heard her on a podcast once and it was the
first time she'd ever done a podcast. I think it
might be the only time she's ever done a podcast,
and she really didn't have a clue what was going on,
and I enjoying, though endearing, it had been set for
her and she's always got something something interesting today, isn't she.
(43:52):
I think we need more older people doing.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Podcasts, And yeah, I think so. And that's so twenty
twenty five. You've got a new podcast kind of from
Patti Smith.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, Kate Bush Yeah, and and Jarvis Cocker.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Good Top three there, stew Now, I feel like January
is a time of new music discovery because you can
literally you know any more, Mariah Kerry and we will
all just collapse. So let's let's leave listeners with a
recommendation of something to go out and check out. Stu,
what's your Beat the Algorithm? On tonight's episode of Midnight Chats,
(44:28):
Beat the Algorithm, Beat the Au.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Tonight, I am going for a record that is twenty
years old.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Welcome to King of New Music.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
I'm going for this because just before Christmas, I went
to see the Deers, the band from Montreal in Canada,
play that album No Cities Left, which was their second album,
and it was one of those records that was just
better than most things that came out. There was so
much landfill indye coming out in This was actually two
(45:06):
thousand and four. I hadn't listened to it for so long,
and then I saw that they were playing here in London.
They were doing an anniversary show of that record. They've
just re released it on vinyl, and I thought, I'm
going to go and see that and see if it's
as good as I remember. And my hopes were middling,
i'd say, because I thought it would just be the
band bashing through the record. Five piece band playing it.
(45:29):
It was incredible one because it was obviously very nonstaldic
to me, but they had a fifteen I think there
was fifteen people on stage in total that I'd counted,
ten of which were like an orchestra. They had horn section,
they had strings, they had extra percrushion, they made They
basically played the record so true to its intricacies. That
(45:51):
made me realize how good it was and how much
how layered it is and how many elements there are
within it. And to see them recreate the whole thing
in front of me was amazing. The track up Plane
now it was the lead single off it, which was
called Lost in the Plot and is the band in
for Smith's mode. If you're a fan of the Smiths,
(46:12):
but maybe you find it a bit difficult to listen
to Morrows's singing these days, as I tend to sometimes
the Deers could be a little replacement for you, especially
with this song.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Tell Me what.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
J coast. Call me to your dads the same shine,
(46:50):
I do what the rest of you were, and I
promise not.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yeah, so I've gone quite old there of an twenty
years old. Were at the start of.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
The year and year new music.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Stew, what are you going for something new?
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah? Yeah, I'm going something Okay, you were a bit
more low fires. Do you know the Do you know
the band get Down Services Bristol duo? Yeah, two lands
from Bristol. They're called get Down Services. They're Josh Law
and Ben Sadler and they do a kind of very
low fi guitarist singer, drum machine backing track type of thing.
(47:32):
They're a debut album called Crisps that came out in
twenty twenty three, and then they released a EP last
year twenty twenty four in June, and that was called Crumbs.
And this is the opening track off that EP. It's
called I Got.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
Views Away Mate, more warming and about of gold, about
nine of them this morning.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
I'm fucking crap, your fucking.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
Why no cramon, no worriess, worries or games twas shit
about when drivers cut you off? What are you four?
I was asked, I'm not asked now.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
I'm bothered.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Said nothing is free.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
It's very much my style, basically, stew. It's in the
vein of the lot of stuff that I like, clearly
informed by the likes of the full Sleaford Mods, etcetera, etcetera,
but really really funny and self depreciating kind of lyrics
and everything else. They've got a song called It's All
about Jamie Oliver that I think you would quite like.
That they tend to finish their sets with, which is
really really funny. And I just like any song any
(48:58):
EP that opens to the lyrics bollock away mate. I
just think that's almost like a classic line. So yeah,
they are Josh, they are Ben. They are two bare
chested gentlemen from Bristol with excellent mustaches. Go and see
them live loads and those are fun. They're playing loads
of gigs through February March this year, playing a lot
of festivals this summer as well. They get down services
and I'm really enjoying their stuff.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Nice. Well, Greg, we have reached the end of the
podcast once again, and the end of the series. I
don't even know what series of the podcast this year is.
We've sort of lost counter of that. Yeah, but it's
been an incredible series. We've had so many great guests
on the last forty five episodes. Thank you to all
of those artists and all of the teams behind those
(49:39):
artists that set up those interviews with us and got
us in the room. Thank you to Outamine Studios for
working with us on this series and getting the thing
done in the first place. And we will be back
perhaps in the future. If I could just quickly plug
a newsletter, it's a sub stack that we started last
year end of last year at loudon Quiet dot substack
(50:03):
dot com. I'll put a link in the show notes
for you as well. It's at the moment a newsletter
that goes out once a week on Friday mornings. It
features some of our writing, some reviews, some new music
news and bits and pieces, and some links to things,
and there's some other things within substack that we're going
(50:24):
to be doing more of this year, so please do
sign up. It's free to sign up. There's going to
be some other options within there to pay for extra contemp,
but for now everything on there is free, so yeah,
check it out. The link will be below this podcast
there and on our Instagram, which is at Midnight Chat's
pod is where we will probably be keeping you in
(50:46):
touch with what's going on with the show and when
you're likely to hear it again. In the meantime. There's
one hundred and sixty four episodes before this one. If
you've missed any of them, I'm sure you have. There's
a lot there for you to enjoy in this interim.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
But thanks Greg, thanks Stu, and good nights all the Werewolves.
And if I do find out that you're a traitor,
I will be absolutely livid.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
Can I just say what a journey this has been.
I wouldn't have wanted to go through this process with
anyone other than the people sat around this table. Now
I can confirm I am a faithful.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Oh no, no shit, I've just knocked my laptop off
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(51:47):
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On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!